Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. M H.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to All the Smoke. Jack, what's up, bro?
Speaker 1: Happy to be in l A. You're trying your game
Speaker 1: up today. I saw you packed a bunch of louise
Speaker 1: coming out here, but you really came like, where are
Speaker 1: you going after this is nowhere? I'm just I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: I'm just setting this down up for two on the
Speaker 1: show and that's all. So you got me looking like
Speaker 1: like like a soccer day right now up. No, I mean,
Speaker 1: you got this ship at your house. I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna force you to bring it out. I respect that.
Speaker 1: I respect that. I respect that. Man. We got a guest,
Speaker 1: a guy I've known for a while, a friend of mine.
Speaker 1: We've finally able to track him down. Man. Welcome Chaidler Parsons.
Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Thanks for having me. What what what to
Speaker 1: get his watch? We'll get time, get his watch. It
Speaker 1: gets watch. But the new father, let's talk about that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you were gleaming. We were just talking about
Speaker 1: this before the show. Man. You're a father of a
Speaker 1: three month old daughter. Tell us what that what that
Speaker 1: like want he wants more? Yeah, definitely, he's gonna have
Speaker 1: five girls. I'm definitely gonna be the guy that has
Speaker 1: all daughters for sure. But little uh, there's nothing like him.
Speaker 1: And you guys know, you know you think you love something,
Speaker 1: you have a child, and something just clicked. I was
Speaker 1: telling Matt, like something happened where you know, a couple
Speaker 1: of months ago, Mom couldn't get her to stop crying, right,
Speaker 1: and then I grabbed her and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: just stopped her. Now it's getting to the age where
Speaker 1: she's getting a personality and you're walking in the room
Speaker 1: and she's smiling, and it's it really is. There's absolutely
Speaker 1: nothing like him. I love it. He knows he's got it.
Speaker 1: He's got a bunch of daughters, yes, five and the
Speaker 1: bonus nine year NBA vets um. It's been a crazy
Speaker 1: past couple of years for you. Can you you mind
Speaker 1: walking us kind of through? I know you were in
Speaker 1: an accident, you were tired, talk to us about what's
Speaker 1: kind of me going on? You? I mean, it's been
Speaker 1: a crazy two years for everybody, right, Like no one
Speaker 1: could have predicted this happening, But yeah, man, it was nuts.
Speaker 1: I was just I was leaving practice one day, random
Speaker 1: day in Atlanta, two o'clock on a Wednesday, and I'm driving.
Speaker 1: I just see this car coming at me and just
Speaker 1: completely t bones me and and I had never been
Speaker 1: to crash before. I've never been been a finderband or nothing.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of a crazy story. It's funny story now.
Speaker 1: But like I'm going and I'm completely out right, like
Speaker 1: I'm knocked out, Man, I wake up, Where did the
Speaker 1: car hit you? So I'm going through an intersection in
Speaker 1: the car, I kind of see it coming this way
Speaker 1: and out of nowhere, it just kind of speeds up
Speaker 1: and just kind of gets me going through the interset
Speaker 1: on the drivers on your door on the driver's side.
Speaker 1: I was solo in the car, and so I get
Speaker 1: hit right and I wake up, and by the time
Speaker 1: I wake up, there's already sirens, and I just remember
Speaker 1: the windows were bashed in the air bags route I
Speaker 1: had to cut on my wrist where was bleeding, and
Speaker 1: I couldn't move my neck, and I'm like like shit,
Speaker 1: like this is this is serious. And I can see
Speaker 1: the guy who hit me and he's completely knocked out,
Speaker 1: blood everywhere, and I'm like wow, like this is this
Speaker 1: is scary. And so I'm looking at my car's all
Speaker 1: messed up. There's red everywhere, and I hear this voice
Speaker 1: and I'm not like a religious, spiritual kind of guy
Speaker 1: like that, but I hear this voice and it's like
Speaker 1: Chandler and Mr Parsons were coming to get You're gonna
Speaker 1: be okay. And at that moment, I'm like sitting there,
Speaker 1: I'm like funk, like I this this is what happened,
Speaker 1: Like I died, this is what happened. This is God, like,
Speaker 1: this is what happens. Right, Blood everywhere, and I snap
Speaker 1: out of it, bro, And it was the on star
Speaker 1: from my car telling me they were coming to get me.
Speaker 1: And I was bringing my girl home spaghetti. So half
Speaker 1: the red in my car everywhere was Marinara sauce. But
Speaker 1: at the moment I'm tripping, I'm like, oh ship. And
Speaker 1: then fast forward like the next day I go and
Speaker 1: that Land is like, hey, you need to lawyer up,
Speaker 1: like once they find out who you are, what you're driving,
Speaker 1: like this guy's gonna sue you. And I'm like I
Speaker 1: didn't do anything wrong, Like what do you mean? Turned
Speaker 1: out as to Due's third d U, I fifty six
Speaker 1: year old, just like completely his fault. And so I
Speaker 1: was in this lawsuit basically for two years where I
Speaker 1: was recovering from injuries like I messed my neck up,
Speaker 1: I tore my labor on my shoulder, super gnarly concussion,
Speaker 1: and so that kind of forced my hand to basically retire. Um,
Speaker 1: And I never thought I'd do that thirty one years old.
Speaker 1: You know, you want to go out in your own terms. Um,
Speaker 1: But it was scary, man. But then the whole world
Speaker 1: closed down with COVID, and uh, you know, I think
Speaker 1: everything kind of happened for a reason, but it was
Speaker 1: it was scary. How are you physically right now? Obviously
Speaker 1: I know the mentor is going to take a while
Speaker 1: to just process everything, but how are you physically feeling right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Physically I'm I'm getting better. You know, I'm still like rehabbing,
Speaker 1: working out, still training. Um, the injuries or stuff like
Speaker 1: I can you know, they're they're permanent, but I can
Speaker 1: kind of maintain I'm not gonna play in the NBA anymore,
Speaker 1: So don't need to be doing that. But to live
Speaker 1: my life and do what I want to do, to
Speaker 1: be a father, travel things, like that, I'm I'm, I'm okay,
Speaker 1: and the lawsuits settled, so now I'm finally free and
Speaker 1: able to do cool ship like this. I live in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: so I remember that. Yeah, it was not it was crazy.
Speaker 1: It was it was crazy. It was crazy. How have
Speaker 1: you kind of car compartmentalized? Obviously the way you spoke
Speaker 1: on your daughter you turned instantly read. But kind of
Speaker 1: just again the last two years and now something I
Speaker 1: want to visit, just like the mental side of having
Speaker 1: your career cut short. You know, you were kind of
Speaker 1: you had bad luck with injuries towards the end, but
Speaker 1: then just to have it kind of taken away with
Speaker 1: that kind of situation, how have you kind of handled that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that takes a toll on you. I had five
Speaker 1: knee surgeries, so I was kind of missing time, missing games, um,
Speaker 1: kind of towards the end of my career. Anyway, five
Speaker 1: knee surgeries that it was terrible, two or three three
Speaker 1: and two meniscus. I had microfracture. I was my first
Speaker 1: one to which kind of set it off in spiral
Speaker 1: from there. But yeah, I mean it just sucks. It's
Speaker 1: things that you can't control that, you know, my dream
Speaker 1: as a kid was to play in the NBA and
Speaker 1: compute at the highest level. And um, the fact I
Speaker 1: did that for nine years, and obviously it was altered
Speaker 1: by injuries and stuff, but I never thought I'd retire
Speaker 1: on these terms. I never thought I'd retired from the
Speaker 1: game at thirty one years old. Um, and it takes
Speaker 1: his hone. You there some dark times there where you know,
Speaker 1: kind of why me, Why is this happening to me?
Speaker 1: And then the crash happens and I'm watching these guys
Speaker 1: play that you got me how you know, there's Jack's
Speaker 1: going at me off social media. I always wanted to
Speaker 1: because I'm like Champ, there's one of the coolest white
Speaker 1: boys I know on the plan of him and J J.
Speaker 1: Reddick Man, you know, and that's you know, what's that's
Speaker 1: funny he said that, But that's that's that's just part
Speaker 1: of it, right. And then obviously, when you know, I
Speaker 1: was on a big contract, right, and I had high
Speaker 1: expectations and I was making a lot of money and
Speaker 1: I wasn't playing, and so I understand that part, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I just never expected it to end this way and
Speaker 1: this quick. But you know, you know, I'm kind of
Speaker 1: excited for the next future. That's good. Counseled Berry, Florida.
Speaker 1: Talk about your upbringing. How was it growing up and
Speaker 1: how did you get into sports. Yeah, so I'm the
Speaker 1: youngest of four boys. Grew up in Castle Barry, Florida.
Speaker 1: Brother Chris is here. Yeah, so Chad, Chris Chase. Being
Speaker 1: the youngest, I just got this ship kicked out of
Speaker 1: me every single day, right, And I was always playing
Speaker 1: with older kids, which I think kind of got me
Speaker 1: prepared because by the time, you know, I'd go to
Speaker 1: my own eight and under a basketball game and I
Speaker 1: would dominate because my three older brothers were killing me
Speaker 1: before that. Right. So, yeah, I grew up with them family,
Speaker 1: huge Orlando Magic fan. Uh. You used to always, you know,
Speaker 1: go in the backyard and watch the games with Shack
Speaker 1: and Penny of them and turn the time out. I'd
Speaker 1: run in the backyard and act like them and do
Speaker 1: what I saw and then go back and watch the game.
Speaker 1: So that was always just I always wanted to do
Speaker 1: it right. And then uh yeah, with the brothers that
Speaker 1: you know, I couldn't have been here without them. They
Speaker 1: pushed me, They helped me so much, just kind of
Speaker 1: developed Castle Barry is close to Orlando. It's like a
Speaker 1: suburb that's not very nice inside Orlando. Yet, No, it's
Speaker 1: not very nice. You went to Winner Park High School,
Speaker 1: and I'm aforded for recruiting the nation. You committed to
Speaker 1: your home state team, the University of Florida two thousand six.
Speaker 1: What was that? I was the decision? So that was crazy.
Speaker 1: I went to winter Park Lake How High School, Winter
Speaker 1: Parks That's that's a that's kind of the rival school. Um,
Speaker 1: but no, it was cool, man Like when I was
Speaker 1: a junior and senior in high school, that's when Florida
Speaker 1: was popping, right, That's when they just won the two
Speaker 1: national championships. Joachim al Horford, those guys were there, and
Speaker 1: I loved the Gators. I would always go to camps
Speaker 1: growing up, and so being a fan having them on
Speaker 1: top of basketball, Billy Donovs or coach like, to me,
Speaker 1: it was a no brainer. And by the time I
Speaker 1: was a senior, I was a five star recruit. But
Speaker 1: this dude would not offer me a scholarship. And I'm
Speaker 1: going all these all American camps. I got all these offers,
Speaker 1: but for whatever reason, and my teammate and my high
Speaker 1: school teammate Nikolaitis. I don't know if you guys remember him.
Speaker 1: He was committed there since he was like a freshman,
Speaker 1: so I like, I wanted to go there so bad
Speaker 1: and just through the process, he finally offered and I
Speaker 1: had had my five official business plan. Florida was my
Speaker 1: first one and stick Joe King was my was my host.
Speaker 1: And let's just say I signed one. He canceled the
Speaker 1: other four visits. Yeah already. Yeah, I don't know him,
Speaker 1: but I feel like I would you would vie with him,
Speaker 1: like he's the best. I love competing against him, but
Speaker 1: I feel like just we would be burning it down. No,
Speaker 1: he's on your guys. Were your other four visits to
Speaker 1: my four visits from Texas, L s U Tennessee and
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. But it was a rap after that visits?
Speaker 1: Was there? So you're one of those rare as I
Speaker 1: was four year players? Uh when SEC player of the Year.
Speaker 1: What do you remember most about your Florida experience. I
Speaker 1: mean there's a lot of history on the basketball side.
Speaker 1: Football side is dope with Yeah went who who was
Speaker 1: on the football side? Wh when I was there? It
Speaker 1: was the years it was Thibow It was hand as Percy,
Speaker 1: Pouncy Twins, Joe Hayden. It was I mean that was
Speaker 1: arguably the best Cali Rivers with the volleyball player. We
Speaker 1: had Ryan Locke Toy the Olympic swimmer. When we're there,
Speaker 1: so like Florida, I was active. It was crazy. You're
Speaker 1: on campus every day and Sandals. I should have left,
Speaker 1: I could have. I could have been a higher draft
Speaker 1: pick my junior year, but I had to go back.
Speaker 1: Like I loved it, loved it. You're making it sound
Speaker 1: sweeter than U c l A. But I feel you
Speaker 1: like a blast. Yeah, so I get it. No, it
Speaker 1: was cool to like going there during those years. Um,
Speaker 1: like you said, with the football team was was so good. Um,
Speaker 1: you know our basketball team was very good. So it
Speaker 1: was just I was an hour and a half away
Speaker 1: from home. My parents, my family could go to all
Speaker 1: my games. Um, and like I said, it was just
Speaker 1: a blast. Man, Like I loved it. Did you guys
Speaker 1: kick go with the football team, we did? You know
Speaker 1: what they were? They were They all football players think
Speaker 1: they can hoop, right, So they would all go to
Speaker 1: the rec center and we would play against like we
Speaker 1: would kind of play and I remember Aaron Hanna's he
Speaker 1: had Actually he was nice. Yeah, we're with Julie Edelman
Speaker 1: last night. He was. He played, he had a scholarship.
Speaker 1: He played on Connecticut like the Husky au team or
Speaker 1: whatever with the coach's son. He was nice, but he
Speaker 1: could have easily went, do you one in basketball? Crazy?
Speaker 1: This dude just told us that ship last night than
Speaker 1: he could that. He was really good, so him, Brandon Spikes,
Speaker 1: like all these guys, they would go and they're athletic
Speaker 1: as funk, right, they could go, right, But yeah, he
Speaker 1: used to bust the grass I remember m damn Drew something,
Speaker 1: Drew Damn Gillani remember his name already, remember the name
Speaker 1: the quarterback from U c l A. He used to
Speaker 1: come in bare footed and go between his leg the
Speaker 1: white boy, Drew Bennett. He played, see, he was a
Speaker 1: court backup quarterback U. C. L A. Played like seven
Speaker 1: years as an NFL. He's a swap over there. He
Speaker 1: knows everything everything. But it's crazy because this dude. The
Speaker 1: football players have walked through Polly sometimes to go to
Speaker 1: meal after practice, and Drew would come in there with
Speaker 1: no shoes on and do East Bay funk and dunk
Speaker 1: them bite that's funny. I was like, yeah, the football
Speaker 1: players super ethic. I wanted soon because sometimes like a
Speaker 1: U c l A, Like some funk with us and
Speaker 1: some didn't. I mean like because sometimes basketball and football
Speaker 1: players don't really vibe everywhere. Yeah, there was no there
Speaker 1: was no beef like that like Kansas. There was like
Speaker 1: the fight on Yeah, like that someone really don't matter
Speaker 1: that Florida for whatever reason, I mean, to win them.
Speaker 1: They kicked and we lived in the same dorms. Like
Speaker 1: we go to their games, they'd come to our games.
Speaker 1: Everyone was winning, so everyone there was. There was no
Speaker 1: every school call is not like football basketballers kind of.
Speaker 1: But he was like, yeah, there's animosity like there was.
Speaker 1: Remember the Kansas like ten years ago there was like
Speaker 1: brawl on campus. Yeah, thats crazy. Coach Donovan went off
Speaker 1: you scholarship finally did like working with him for four years.
Speaker 1: He was great man. Honestly, going in there as a
Speaker 1: high recruit fresh off two chips from him, like we
Speaker 1: went in there with the wrong mindset. We were the
Speaker 1: number one recruiting class. Nick Kola, this John Lucas son,
Speaker 1: Jay Lucas, this kid Alex Taias and some other kid.
Speaker 1: But and so he got and it was it was
Speaker 1: cracking there right, like they were they were the best
Speaker 1: team in the country and we were trash. We went
Speaker 1: to we didn't make the tournament. We went to the
Speaker 1: n I t So like my first two years, we
Speaker 1: kind of went in there as arrogant little dick heads,
Speaker 1: and like he's this New Yorker Napoleon syndrome. Little man
Speaker 1: thinks he's tough and he would just you know, he's
Speaker 1: from the school or Patino. He would get yours. He
Speaker 1: looked like he in the mafia. He's cool as fun,
Speaker 1: but he's also he he gets angry quick. So my
Speaker 1: first two years I didn't get that. I didn't understand
Speaker 1: that I would want to transfer, I would want out.
Speaker 1: And then once you get older and you understand, like
Speaker 1: what he's trying to do and like instilling you something
Speaker 1: switch worse like this guy's and he was always a
Speaker 1: brilliant basketball mine. Right, you can see what he's doing
Speaker 1: now in Chicago, Like the guy's arguably the coach of
Speaker 1: the year, right, So I mean he's always been a
Speaker 1: great basketball mine. But then you just understand him more
Speaker 1: as you know your years go on. You were drafted
Speaker 1: thirty eight overall to the Rockets and to the lockout.
Speaker 1: He decided to go overseas and France for two months.
Speaker 1: What was your reason why that you just wanted to
Speaker 1: stay hope and stay busy. Yeah. So when I was drafted,
Speaker 1: there was the lockout, so there was no season, right
Speaker 1: and I was a second round pick, so my contract
Speaker 1: wasn't guaranteed. So my agent at the time basically got
Speaker 1: me a deal where I could go play in France
Speaker 1: and they gave me an out clause. And this was
Speaker 1: during the time with like de Will went to Turkey,
Speaker 1: like a lot of guys were doing it, and as
Speaker 1: a four year guy for whatever reason, like it's kind
Speaker 1: of shunned up, Like it's it's like a bad look
Speaker 1: to stay in college four year because it's like, why
Speaker 1: didn't he leave early? What's wrong? Like and you're and
Speaker 1: then you're older, like I got drafted twenty one years old,
Speaker 1: which I think is a good thing, right because you
Speaker 1: go through so much ship in college, Like I'm ready
Speaker 1: to help an NBA team right away. I see both
Speaker 1: sides with the potential of taking an eighteen year old
Speaker 1: kid too. But so for what I had, just I
Speaker 1: had something to prove still. So I wanted to keep
Speaker 1: going and I wanted to stay in shape. I wanted
Speaker 1: to play in games for the second round, non guaranteed contract.
Speaker 1: I wanted to when camp when the lockout ended, which
Speaker 1: it was gonna end. I wanted to be ready to go.
Speaker 1: So I went to play for two and a half
Speaker 1: months and it was dope. Yeah it was cool. I
Speaker 1: mean I lived in a place called Chole, France, which
Speaker 1: wasn't fun, Like it was like a little village. Yeah
Speaker 1: it's it's not it's not cool. It's played there for
Speaker 1: probably really three weeks. It came back home and I
Speaker 1: couldn't do it. No, I was eighteen, I mean nineteen,
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it. Yeah it was. I mean it
Speaker 1: was different. It's the crowd is different, the games different.
Speaker 1: It's like the Olympic style game where you get to
Speaker 1: call travel if you don't put the ball first, goaltending,
Speaker 1: no defensive three seconds. But I just wanted to who
Speaker 1: I just wanted to play, and I was making it.
Speaker 1: Gave me like twenty five grand a month, and I
Speaker 1: was like at the time, I was like, that's my
Speaker 1: first paycheck. I loved it. So I was like this
Speaker 1: is great. And then the lockout ended and I came
Speaker 1: back to Houston. I think it really helped me because
Speaker 1: by the time camp started, I was in crazy shape.
Speaker 1: I was ready to go, and that's how I kind
Speaker 1: of got my start, I think because I was so
Speaker 1: ready to play that by the time my sixth NBA
Speaker 1: came around, I was starting. Who who was on your
Speaker 1: team at that Who was on the So when I
Speaker 1: was drafted, coach Kevin McHale was a coach, and then
Speaker 1: it was like Kevin Martin's skull uh dallam bear, Marcus
Speaker 1: Canby was there, earl like Courtney Lee, and then it
Speaker 1: was a couple of young guy it was Kyle Lowry
Speaker 1: was there, Dragic, Pat Beverley. So when I was there,
Speaker 1: like we had a squad. I think we missed the
Speaker 1: playoffs by like one year, one game my rookie year.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they we started off like two and three
Speaker 1: or whatever. This is kind of like my like coming
Speaker 1: to the NBA moment, Like I wasn't playing at all
Speaker 1: and I just came from France. I'm sick, I'm a
Speaker 1: second round pick with with acne and like I like
Speaker 1: I was, I was not ready to go and so
Speaker 1: I'm playing and we started off like two and three
Speaker 1: and I played some garbage minutes. We got blown out
Speaker 1: a couple of times where he put me in and
Speaker 1: I just remember pulling up and we were playing okay
Speaker 1: see And it was when they had you know, Russ
Speaker 1: Kat and James and he had always read the starting
Speaker 1: lineups on the board and I walked in the locker
Speaker 1: room early as hell, like three o'clock, like first bus,
Speaker 1: and I just saw it said Parsons Dash Durant and
Speaker 1: I was saying, oh ship, like it was the first time.
Speaker 1: I was like, she just got like oh wow. Like
Speaker 1: I played garbage minutes against other second round picks and
Speaker 1: into the game like this was like mine, like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, like it's it's go time. I guess one
Speaker 1: of the best. Yeah, and it was. I mean, he
Speaker 1: busted my ask, but he was a little like he
Speaker 1: was I think he shot like poorly from the field
Speaker 1: and we won the game. And honestly, since then, I
Speaker 1: started all the way through, so it was kind of
Speaker 1: like that was like my moment where he gave me
Speaker 1: a chance and it just kind of worked out. Let me,
Speaker 1: let me ask the question. So with going to four
Speaker 1: years going to college and playing four years and having
Speaker 1: the injuries, you think staying all that time took some probably,
Speaker 1: you know. I think when you think about it, when
Speaker 1: you play playing AU, no one you could have went
Speaker 1: after your first or second year, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And then you look back. You played AU from twelve
Speaker 1: to fifteen, then you played four years of high school.
Speaker 1: Then I played four years of college. So it's like
Speaker 1: that's a lot of miles on your body and your
Speaker 1: knees by the time you get to the n b A.
Speaker 1: And like I said, my with the lockout my rookie year,
Speaker 1: we had back to back to back, so you guys
Speaker 1: remember that was free in a row and that that's when,
Speaker 1: like I was, I was the young guy, so I
Speaker 1: was playing right, I was playing all of the minutes.
Speaker 1: And they probably had you doing ship before practice, practicing
Speaker 1: there first after they last got to make all the anomics.
Speaker 1: So I was so yeah, I think that definitely had
Speaker 1: an impact. I think the longer you played, just the
Speaker 1: more grind, the more bumps and bruises you get. But
Speaker 1: you can't predict that though, exactly. You can't. That's one
Speaker 1: thing I've learned. Bro. It's like listen, I understand everything
Speaker 1: that comes with it, with the pressure of the expectation stuff,
Speaker 1: and as athletes, we want that, like like Jen Rex
Speaker 1: and the other day. It's like no one, no, no
Speaker 1: one can create a narrative to put more than us.
Speaker 1: Trust me, we want it more than you. So like
Speaker 1: the media that fans like, right and that I know
Speaker 1: really good. Yeah so he and yeah, but that was
Speaker 1: my thing where I was like like literally my first
Speaker 1: injury my foot got caught in David West shorts. I
Speaker 1: came down on my knee, chip cartilage in my knee,
Speaker 1: Like how the how am I supposed to predict that?
Speaker 1: And that was that turned into a micro That was
Speaker 1: my third That was my third year, and yeah, that
Speaker 1: was when I first had my microfracture where microfracture used
Speaker 1: to it not to catch you off, used in careers
Speaker 1: that I was Yeah, like I talked to like a
Speaker 1: Mari J kid. These guys that had it, they were
Speaker 1: never the same from it. The fact that I still
Speaker 1: I got that my third year and still was able
Speaker 1: to get to max contracts after that, But it hurt,
Speaker 1: like it was awful, Like it still bothers me. I
Speaker 1: have a quarter sized piece of cartilage missing in my
Speaker 1: right knee was off. So going into your second year,
Speaker 1: you guys make that blockbuster to deal for Harden. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who actually just got traded today. We'll talk about that
Speaker 1: a little bit. But what was that experience like? So
Speaker 1: that was that was nuts? Right? So I think we
Speaker 1: we had just gotten Dwight Howard uh before that, and
Speaker 1: we needed that extra piece, right And and by the way,
Speaker 1: the signing of Dwight Howard was nuts too. We can
Speaker 1: that was crazy, but so Dwight, we had the same agent, right,
Speaker 1: And I was the second round pick. I had a
Speaker 1: four year deal, but the fourth year was a team option.
Speaker 1: And at this point I'm starting, I'm averaging seventeen like
Speaker 1: I'm going and my agent said I couldn't. They couldn't.
Speaker 1: They're going to pick up the fourth year. Why wouldn't
Speaker 1: there You're owed nine grand or whatever, and just a
Speaker 1: huge bargain for them. I end up hiring Dan Fagan
Speaker 1: the only reason because r I p because he said
Speaker 1: I can get you out of that fourth year, and
Speaker 1: no and and no one else could write. And how
Speaker 1: we did it basically he used leverage. He went to
Speaker 1: the GM and he went to the owner and said,
Speaker 1: I'll get you Dwight Howard, but you're not picking up
Speaker 1: Channel Parson's contract. I gotta pay him. So instead of
Speaker 1: making nine, I got bumped to a MAX and we
Speaker 1: got Dwight Howard. It was the most gangster move I've
Speaker 1: ever seen. It was nuts. It was crazy, That's what
Speaker 1: we was. He got me paid. It's like they say, agents,
Speaker 1: get you paid. Dan Fagan got you overpaid. David. He
Speaker 1: definitely did. He definitely did. That's my guy man rest
Speaker 1: in peace, so too Harden. Now right, So then we
Speaker 1: get so then it's like all right, Jane, now now
Speaker 1: we're now we're rolling right now. We got two bona
Speaker 1: fide stars, great players that me. Terrence Jones was coming up.
Speaker 1: We get Pat Bev, Jeremy Lyns like fresh off his lensanity,
Speaker 1: like he's hooping, and that's just an exciting time, right,
Speaker 1: Like Houston was a dope place to live in. I
Speaker 1: love McHale, I love JB. Bickerstaff was our assistant man
Speaker 1: coach of the Year and so like now that that
Speaker 1: was just awesome. Honestly playing with those two guys at
Speaker 1: the time, Dwight was the best big James was just
Speaker 1: coming up into a like actual stardom. He made the
Speaker 1: game so easy to where that was my best year
Speaker 1: average like seventeen eighteen points because he would just lull
Speaker 1: the defender to sleep, kick it to me and I
Speaker 1: would either catch and shoot or do my little shot
Speaker 1: fake that used to jump on all the time, and
Speaker 1: then I would go. But he made it and then
Speaker 1: like you know, going forward, I you know, I wanted
Speaker 1: more and that's why I eventually end up leaving, Like
Speaker 1: I I I thought it would be you know, I
Speaker 1: thought I want that next step. Playing with James, he
Speaker 1: made it so easy where you know, it turned out
Speaker 1: to not be that easy when when I left, but
Speaker 1: like he playing with him, man, he still him. I
Speaker 1: got Dirk at the end of his career, but James,
Speaker 1: that's he's the best player I ever played with. He
Speaker 1: was so cold. What was Dwight? Because this is pre
Speaker 1: you got Dwight out of Orlando, right, we got Dwight
Speaker 1: out of out of here, out of l A. So
Speaker 1: he came like that one year had he had had
Speaker 1: back surgery yet don't know he had had the back surgery,
Speaker 1: but he was like he was fine, like he kind
Speaker 1: of had a on the year in l A. But
Speaker 1: like he was healthy, he was ready to go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean them too in the pick and roll in
Speaker 1: their primes. That was tough. Yeah, I didn't know. I
Speaker 1: got to play with Orlando Dwight and there was I've
Speaker 1: never seen any people like, I never seen nothing. I
Speaker 1: mean I think now people kind of shoot on him
Speaker 1: because like this career, like they see it now, But
Speaker 1: it was the best big in the league for a decade.
Speaker 1: I think it's when he went to l A and
Speaker 1: wanted to rush back and play after that back sirt
Speaker 1: is what set him back. So his will to want
Speaker 1: to help a team fu not fun his career because
Speaker 1: he's still you know, definitely doing this thing, but he
Speaker 1: wasn't who he was. But people talking about when people
Speaker 1: talk about him, no, they can't really talk about this
Speaker 1: basketball because he's not automatic Hall of Fame gotta be
Speaker 1: something that you don't like about it the court. You
Speaker 1: should have been a top seventy five player, no doubt.
Speaker 1: It's just the personal ship that you maybe you just
Speaker 1: just like him watching them the whatever. But as far
Speaker 1: as basketball, he's the first ballot top seventy five, Like
Speaker 1: he got ripped. So your first Dwight you got Dwight,
Speaker 1: you got Jay Games, the squad you mentioned you guys battle,
Speaker 1: okay see with Russ and durn on this ship, what
Speaker 1: was that? Like, I mean, that was a crazy series.
Speaker 1: That was I mean, you know, James had just left there.
Speaker 1: We were going back in there, okay see, was one
Speaker 1: of the craziest cross to play in front of. Got
Speaker 1: the towels. They don't see the funk down all game long?
Speaker 1: Like it was nuts, James, James just left there. Okay,
Speaker 1: SE's fans are nuts. And then if you remember, that's
Speaker 1: when Russ was dribbling a half court to call the
Speaker 1: time out and Pat did the little move and towards Meniscus,
Speaker 1: So like it was, it was. That was a fun series, right.
Speaker 1: I think we end up losing in six, but like
Speaker 1: playing against those guys, playing against Kat for six games,
Speaker 1: Garden him, like that was just a grind. Like and
Speaker 1: you guys know playoffs is just it's just different, like
Speaker 1: you can say it, right, but like, I mean, every
Speaker 1: possession matters. This ship is crazy. What's the further you've been?
Speaker 1: Game six, Damian Lillard game winner in my face, No
Speaker 1: first round, first first one. Never got out of the
Speaker 1: first round. This is what you were about to ask him?
Speaker 1: Right here, this is your second and you bring that up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't even look at it, even look at it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: talk to us about the series that was. That was
Speaker 1: a hell of a thing. Yeah, that was unbelievable shot man,
Speaker 1: that was crazy. So I mean we have them. Yeah
Speaker 1: you saw that coming. That was another game six, right,
Speaker 1: we had just won two in a row. So we
Speaker 1: win this game, We're going back to Houston for game seven.
Speaker 1: We were the higher seed and that play was crazy.
Speaker 1: Still to this day, we have Patrick Beverley on the court.
Speaker 1: I don't know why the funk I'm guarding Damian Lillard right,
Speaker 1: like what but that was just like a crazy thing
Speaker 1: where he came off a screen and I mean the
Speaker 1: man hit a thirty man hit a thirty ft or
Speaker 1: right like, I mean going to his left, going to
Speaker 1: his left right and I'm like, like, I mean he's
Speaker 1: been doing this his whole career though, right, Like, that
Speaker 1: was a tough one. That was a crazy shot that
Speaker 1: That was my last game in Heston. That was that
Speaker 1: was it, like it was that was our chance. We
Speaker 1: had a we had a great team. A year we
Speaker 1: were building. We were we're going back to the crib
Speaker 1: for Game seven, and just like that, he had one
Speaker 1: of the craziest shots I've ever seen. So you say,
Speaker 1: you leave Houston because you want a bigger role, You're
Speaker 1: off the Dallas well, like, you know what that was again,
Speaker 1: that was I was on my rookie deal. Um, I
Speaker 1: was a restrictive free agent. So this was this was
Speaker 1: actually when we brought to White End and we did
Speaker 1: the and we did the deal where basically Cuban came
Speaker 1: in and he made a he gave me a crazy
Speaker 1: max deal with like a no trade clause player option
Speaker 1: in the last year. Like he to make like it
Speaker 1: in as a restricted free agent, you kind of have
Speaker 1: to do that right to get the team not to match.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so like that at the time, I love
Speaker 1: playing with James, I love playing with McHale and and Dwight,
Speaker 1: and I just thought, you know what, Dallas, Dirk's my
Speaker 1: favorite player of all time. They got Dirk, they got
Speaker 1: Monte Ellis, Like I could go over there and maybe
Speaker 1: a little even more rule. Dirk's on his way out.
Speaker 1: I can have a bigger role. Carl out. Everyone who
Speaker 1: plays with Carl Loud their crazy offense like pick and
Speaker 1: roll threes, like as a shooter, a guy who like
Speaker 1: picking rolls, Like I couldn't have think of a better
Speaker 1: offense than his. And so so yeah, accept the offer
Speaker 1: and Houston didn't match, and I think it, you know,
Speaker 1: it was awesome. Like I love Dallas. I love my
Speaker 1: time there. I'm still if I didn't live in l A.
Speaker 1: I live in Dallas. Like I really developed a great
Speaker 1: relationship with Cuban, talked to us about that. He seems
Speaker 1: like a real cool dude. He used to get along
Speaker 1: with him. He's he's the best man. Even you know,
Speaker 1: I only played there for two years, but like like
Speaker 1: he's coming to my wedding, like like he like he's
Speaker 1: my guy. Right, Like every investment deal I get, every
Speaker 1: I send it to three people, he's one of them.
Speaker 1: If he says no, I'm out, he says yes. I
Speaker 1: mean exactly, He's the O G Shark, right, there's no
Speaker 1: one better. So he's he's just he's such a he's
Speaker 1: such a player's owner, right, Like he's funny, he's cool.
Speaker 1: He'll go out with us, like um, the free agency
Speaker 1: with DeAndre, like he's so involved, right, like and and
Speaker 1: he's just cool. But like most owners aren't like that
Speaker 1: talk to us about Oh. I just want to say
Speaker 1: one thing about Mark cute. I want to give him
Speaker 1: his props. Uh. He just started this company where they're
Speaker 1: they're all to people that on medication, able to get
Speaker 1: medication for real, real cheap. I'm telling about expensive medication
Speaker 1: for real, real cheat. I want to shout out Mark
Speaker 1: Huban for that, because I know that's a that's helping
Speaker 1: a lot of people all across the world medicine. That's
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars. They're getting ten dollars, fifteen dollars. So
Speaker 1: shout out to Mark Cuban for we need you on
Speaker 1: the show. Um, the recruitment of DeAndre because you pulled
Speaker 1: a lot of strings and then the Clippers pulled some
Speaker 1: crazy ship. Yeah that was DeAndre Jordan by the way,
Speaker 1: for though, you know when we say DJ that was
Speaker 1: the biggest that was the biggest heartbreak I ever went through.
Speaker 1: I mean at the time, we had we had a
Speaker 1: great team in Dallas and we're recruiting free agency. Like
Speaker 1: I'm in the I'm in the draft room, I'm in
Speaker 1: the free agent meetings. Like Mark kind of gave me
Speaker 1: and Dirk like rains like all right, like this is
Speaker 1: who we want, Like, go get him. So I'm coming
Speaker 1: out to l A. He was also with Dan Fagins,
Speaker 1: were the same agent. So we're partying together, we're working
Speaker 1: out together. I'm basically his schedule is my schedule. I'm
Speaker 1: all over him, and I'm like, I'm getting this guy,
Speaker 1: and I get him, like he commits to us, like
Speaker 1: he's he's verbabally there. Cubans were here, We're going to dinner.
Speaker 1: Were at his house with his mom and his brothers,
Speaker 1: And I never forget the girl was dating at the time.
Speaker 1: She had a birthday party in Vegas, and I left
Speaker 1: and I tweeted an airplane emoji because I was going
Speaker 1: to Vegas. That's when the whole reports, you know, the
Speaker 1: woj bomb saying DeAndre Jordan having cold feet, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: there's no way, bro, I just left, like no chance.
Speaker 1: And that's when that whole Twitter emoji war started, remember
Speaker 1: that where everyone started tweeting like emojis. Chris Paul was
Speaker 1: tweeting like a banana boat or something. Blake tweeted the
Speaker 1: picture of the door like that they like locked him
Speaker 1: in the crib. Like there was a whole thing and
Speaker 1: that was all because and we had just signed Wes
Speaker 1: Matthews to come with DeAndre Jordan's It was like a
Speaker 1: whole thing, right. Um, but again, like you know, there's
Speaker 1: no hard feelings there if he did what he thought
Speaker 1: was best for his career. I think that year he
Speaker 1: was Defensive Player of the Year and for the Clippers
Speaker 1: he wasn't went to the Western Conference final. Was like,
Speaker 1: he's had a great career. But that was just like
Speaker 1: a crazy that's never happened before, Like we had it
Speaker 1: was committed, and then the Clippers flew who doc Paul
Speaker 1: Pierce CP blake Yeah, to his house, locked him in
Speaker 1: until he signed, and beat him down until he signed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was nuts. Didn't he end up going to Dallas anyway?
Speaker 1: He did end up going Dallas. I left it an
Speaker 1: he wins, right. It was crazy. So heading into free agency, Uh,
Speaker 1: you were looking to possibly stay in Dallas, I'm guessing yeah,
Speaker 1: what you wanted to do obviously, Yeah, and it didn't
Speaker 1: really work out that way. You end up going to
Speaker 1: Memphis on a nice another nice deal. Um, what was
Speaker 1: that experience like? So that was I signed a three
Speaker 1: year deal in Dallas, but I had a player option
Speaker 1: in the third year and talking with Mark, talked with
Speaker 1: my agent, they said, listen, you played. I played good
Speaker 1: that year. You know, we went to the playoffs. They said,
Speaker 1: you can get a big deal and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of interest in you. So I'm like, all right, great,
Speaker 1: I'll opt out of my player option and he damn
Speaker 1: thing was like, basically, you're going to get a max contract.
Speaker 1: And you know, when Dan says that, I'm fine, I
Speaker 1: believe you. But Cuban wanted me to opt into that
Speaker 1: third year because I had had just had a knee surgery,
Speaker 1: I had my second one, and I was still going
Speaker 1: into free agency, and so I didn't pick up my
Speaker 1: third year because Mark was like, look, just opt in
Speaker 1: and improve yourself that you can play and and then
Speaker 1: I'll sign I'll sign you to a five year max
Speaker 1: the next year. And I'm like looking at it. I'm
Speaker 1: like and it was like seventeen million, and I'm looking
Speaker 1: at him like he's telling me to opt in now
Speaker 1: for seven team. But dann Vegan, my agent, telling me
Speaker 1: I got guaranteed like ninety five. Like I'm like, Mark,
Speaker 1: if I was your son, like what would you what
Speaker 1: would you tell him? Like, would you tell me to
Speaker 1: do this and take this guaranteed deal. And they knew
Speaker 1: I had like they knew I had the knee surgeries, right,
Speaker 1: and so that was crazy. And that's another crazy story
Speaker 1: where I had to pitch meetings. And I remember it
Speaker 1: was Orlando and New York offered max deals but like
Speaker 1: two or three years, but the two big four ones
Speaker 1: where Memphis Grizzlies and the Portland Trailblazers and Paul Allen came,
Speaker 1: Dame came, Terry Stotts came, their front office came, and
Speaker 1: we had a great meeting in Portland. And to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, I was all in on Portland. I
Speaker 1: was like, we can cancel the Memphis like I'm going
Speaker 1: to Portland, like this is playing with Dame and CJ
Speaker 1: like this this is great. And I was like yeah.
Speaker 1: So I was like all right, like I'm in JB.
Speaker 1: Bickerstaff and Fizz who are on my family. They were
Speaker 1: he had just got the head coaching job at Memphis.
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, let's just take the meeting
Speaker 1: like I I love them, like let's see. And also
Speaker 1: they had Gasol, they had Connley, they Zebo t A
Speaker 1: like they had a squad too, so I'll never forget.
Speaker 1: We're in this meeting, right and it's at Dan Fagan's
Speaker 1: house and we're in the Memphis meeting and I see
Speaker 1: like we're stacks sitting. Fagin's getting like red and like
Speaker 1: kind of getting weird. And then like five minutes later
Speaker 1: he asked, He's like, hey, let's take a break, and
Speaker 1: like you know, let's uh, well, we'll meet back up
Speaker 1: in five. He's like, CP, come here. So I I
Speaker 1: go to his room with him and he's like, you're
Speaker 1: going to Memphis And I'm like, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: Like he goes, Portland's is going to give you a
Speaker 1: physical and because of like Greg Odin and Brandon Roy's
Speaker 1: injury history, you might not pass. So I'm like, what
Speaker 1: do you mean? Bro? He's like, trust me, Like you
Speaker 1: don't want to go down that. Like if you do
Speaker 1: that and they red flag you, Bro, you're taking a
Speaker 1: minimum deal and you're smoked at So I'm like, bro,
Speaker 1: like what Like in my head, I'm I'm on Zillo
Speaker 1: looking at houses in Portland, like I was going, like
Speaker 1: I love them. I go back in there, bro, and
Speaker 1: I Oscar performance goal back. Oscar. I go back in
Speaker 1: there listening, guys, I've never I've never been more sure
Speaker 1: of something in my life. Great and grind to the
Speaker 1: day I die. I'm like, I'm in. I'm gonna get that.
Speaker 1: I was like, we can just stop it here. I'm signing. Literally,
Speaker 1: I'm like Blake Griffin, I wouldn't let them leave until
Speaker 1: I signed the deal. I was like, I am going.
Speaker 1: So that was just another damn bag and crazy story
Speaker 1: where I was like, man, I've never told that story
Speaker 1: and so like that was nuts where I was like
Speaker 1: this man did it again. And after getting that contract,
Speaker 1: you get to Memphis and you get to roll by
Speaker 1: injuries again. Yeah, which I again, I had just during
Speaker 1: that free agency, I had just had my third knee surgery, right,
Speaker 1: So it's not like they didn't know I was and
Speaker 1: as an athlete, like, you know, I'm hopeful to be
Speaker 1: the player I was, and like when you get paid
Speaker 1: in the NBA, you're getting paid off what you did
Speaker 1: and what you could possibly do. So it's like they
Speaker 1: saw like a sixteen five and five guy and they
Speaker 1: were hoping I'd get that or better maybe I'd take
Speaker 1: a huge jump like some guys do fresh off three
Speaker 1: knee surgeries like after that four year guaranteed deal, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean like that. So, you know, the Memphis experience,
Speaker 1: it didn't really work out. Um, there's a little bad
Speaker 1: blood there, but like, you know, there's some nice people there.
Speaker 1: I I you know, I had a good time, but um,
Speaker 1: it just didn't work out. I couldn't I couldn't find
Speaker 1: ways to get healthy. Um, and a lot of the
Speaker 1: people they kind of put that on in the same
Speaker 1: day they gave Conny like two thirty so like that
Speaker 1: day they spent like a quarter of a billion. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I remember me and Mike were like boot the GM like,
Speaker 1: why are you booing us? You would do the thing
Speaker 1: like what do you mean? It was crazy? Boo him?
Speaker 1: So I mean, when it's all said and done, a
Speaker 1: crazy nine year run derailed by injury. What do you
Speaker 1: remember most about your experience in the n b A.
Speaker 1: I mean it was, like I said, it was just
Speaker 1: my dream as a kid to play in the NBA. Man, like, like,
Speaker 1: I never thought it would end this way. I never
Speaker 1: thought it would be cut short like this. You know,
Speaker 1: I had dreams of being an All Star and winning
Speaker 1: championships and doing all that. But the fact that I
Speaker 1: lived out my dream and can now support my family
Speaker 1: and like I know, if I go too, you can
Speaker 1: support a lot of family, you know. I mean, like
Speaker 1: I can. You know, I had a great I'm I'm
Speaker 1: met a lot of really dope people that I still
Speaker 1: have really good relationships now. Um, I still love the game.
Speaker 1: I still sitting on my couch Tuesday night, you're watching
Speaker 1: you know, shar Livers or Land, Like I still love it, right, Um,
Speaker 1: but you know what, it's just living out my dream
Speaker 1: was there's no words for it, and and it's sad
Speaker 1: that it's over. But again, I'm just excited for you know,
Speaker 1: the future of my girl and my wife and just
Speaker 1: kind of going from there doing different business things. Bro.
Speaker 1: I mean, you get to bounce business ideas off the
Speaker 1: fucking shark tank exactly right. Better than that, um advice
Speaker 1: looking back now you would give to a younger player. Honestly,
Speaker 1: the time flies, bro, like it's it's nine years went
Speaker 1: by like that, Like I remember Draft Day, I remember,
Speaker 1: you know, SEC Championship, Like it goes by so quick
Speaker 1: and you want to enjoy it. And I enjoyed it
Speaker 1: like I'd go out. I would. I was a little
Speaker 1: reckless early on in my career and you should. You know,
Speaker 1: you have a great life. You're making a lot of
Speaker 1: bread like you should. But just I would just say,
Speaker 1: just kind of cherished every day, man, like every practice,
Speaker 1: every film session. You think it's a drag, but when
Speaker 1: it's gone, like I missed that ship, like I missed
Speaker 1: the playing Bourey on the planes, I missed like the
Speaker 1: film sessions talking ship like I the stuff that I
Speaker 1: hated when I was playing is what I missed the
Speaker 1: most now being asking Yeah, well you think time goes
Speaker 1: fast as you're playing Watch Out Fast, it goes now
Speaker 1: that your father has ship. Bro. It's like it feels
Speaker 1: like half the types just just as fast chaff story
Speaker 1: of battles with him, so this way it started with
Speaker 1: being him. He's playing for the Rockets and he is
Speaker 1: busting my ass in the first half. So you know me,
Speaker 1: I never knew this story. So I do somebody bust
Speaker 1: man's what's the person thing I do? Fight? I try
Speaker 1: to start a fight, right, this is one made me
Speaker 1: remember him? Bro, this is a baby man. So after
Speaker 1: I'm talking all this ship so he ain't paying no
Speaker 1: tip to him, and I'm you're ready trying to start
Speaker 1: a fight and uh it's a time out and I
Speaker 1: see him walking to the side with his teammates and
Speaker 1: he looks at him like is he serious. He's like
Speaker 1: is he serious? And I bust off. I'm walking back
Speaker 1: to my heart. I'm not crying laughing. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: he just asked his teammate. You're on Milwaukee, right. I
Speaker 1: remember want bro there's you hear things about players, right,
Speaker 1: like Stephen Jackson was one of them. So now I'm
Speaker 1: real life in the game. I'm playing good against him,
Speaker 1: but now like he's tight and like he's talking to me.
Speaker 1: I remember asking Sam down Bear and the like. He
Speaker 1: said something to me like like anybody but him, and
Speaker 1: I was like I already started it, like yeah, you
Speaker 1: had my six, yeah, like the first quarter, like crying,
Speaker 1: I'm too late. Sam new karate though it was big
Speaker 1: long as He's like like what you know in my
Speaker 1: back and be like looked away. I'm like, god damn
Speaker 1: said and even no, right, traveling man, you get a chance.
Speaker 1: I know you're really close to Blake Griffin. I remember
Speaker 1: back when we had that Love City team, Me, Blake
Speaker 1: and DJ would go to like four countries every summer. Um,
Speaker 1: you love to travel some of your favorite countries. Yeah,
Speaker 1: beautiful this time of year. Absolutely, yeah, you said, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I loved, Like I went to the
Speaker 1: con Film Festival twice to the south of France. That
Speaker 1: part of the world I never imagined, like go on
Speaker 1: or see him. But it's super dope, really pretty great food.
Speaker 1: Um those Abisa Meeking. Those trips are awesomewhere. Yeah, those
Speaker 1: are fun because you can either go with your girl
Speaker 1: or you can go with your boys, and you can
Speaker 1: do everything everything there. Um our favorite spots, Cabo, it's
Speaker 1: two hours from here. I just gotta people. You gotta
Speaker 1: slay it. That just got spot. We need to borrow it. Yeah, nope,
Speaker 1: I'm not bullshit. It was a good Yeah. Yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: pay for everything. Me and Jack's birthday coming up. We
Speaker 1: wanted time trip with our girls. We got a rich friend, Chail.
Speaker 1: Thank you. You see a guy. I'm a foodie. Best
Speaker 1: food you've had. I just came from Montego Bay, Jamaican.
Speaker 1: That's number one of them. Crazy right now. It was dope.
Speaker 1: Food was crazy. Yeah. See, I mean, I mean Paris,
Speaker 1: the food is awesome. Living there. When if I'd have
Speaker 1: an off day, we would take like me and the
Speaker 1: other American our team, we would drive to and a
Speaker 1: half hours just to go and get like dinner and
Speaker 1: go out. She was such trash we would do that. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean it's about the Kabo bro. Like it's two
Speaker 1: hour flight and you're in a different world, different language.
Speaker 1: I love Mexican food, Like it's just the best. The
Speaker 1: culture is the best, They're so nice, the staff is unbelieving,
Speaker 1: fantastic golf and like I said, it's two hours away
Speaker 1: and you're there. I like that. Yeah, I appreciate you
Speaker 1: mentioned a little bit of business. What kind of stuff
Speaker 1: are you into? I mean you unfortunately have to, you know,
Speaker 1: retire at an early age. But you know, life is good, wife,
Speaker 1: daughter business. I'm sure it's booming. What kind of stuff
Speaker 1: are you into? Yeah, I think I'm being I've seeing
Speaker 1: a lot of startup companies and a lot of other companies,
Speaker 1: like I'm in on hyper ice or ring. I still
Speaker 1: don't know what the sports is, and but I'm in
Speaker 1: Phase clan, which is apparently is like you'll watch it
Speaker 1: East sports game. There's more viewings on the sports game
Speaker 1: than like Super Bowl Sunday. Like it's insane. What these
Speaker 1: kids are doing. It's ordering that check your blood pressure,
Speaker 1: chakes your blood pressure, your temperature, seeing that things like that.
Speaker 1: My brother I'm with in a couple of restaurants in Orlando. Um,
Speaker 1: my girl's gotta like a cosmetic line called treats um
Speaker 1: just a little bit of stuff like that. And now, honestly,
Speaker 1: now that the lawsuits settled, now I'll probably start getting
Speaker 1: into some commentating, broadcasting, doing a podcast with you. If
Speaker 1: you guys need a host, always don't say that now
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna get that. Brian Days and Welcome
Speaker 1: Chandler parts of you cannot say that on this show
Speaker 1: and Brian Daily and the whispering in the back wait
Speaker 1: till the trade deadlines over and I watched I probably
Speaker 1: before this season's app You're gonna be back here talking
Speaker 1: ship with us. Man. It's been a great interview so far.
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Speaker 1: Vince Carter. I love Vince. He's the best. Playing with
Speaker 1: him was cool. Um Darryl Dawkins, who would you back?
Speaker 1: And they used to bust my dad's ass. Pops played
Speaker 1: against him. Yeah, uh t Mac love t Mac. Right there.
Speaker 1: I'm going a Mari Stott a Meyer m h who
Speaker 1: I literally saw beat this ship out of due to
Speaker 1: my high school team camp like the manager on my team,
Speaker 1: he looked like he does now when he was sixteen, right, um,
Speaker 1: and now I need a point guard. You guys remember
Speaker 1: Darius Washington Edgewater High School play Memphis. He was. He
Speaker 1: was like the Sebastian Telfair year where they had to
Speaker 1: through the fire where they put Edgewater. He I know
Speaker 1: you remember. Look look, yes he missed the free throws
Speaker 1: in the tournament. He never really made to league, but
Speaker 1: he was the coldest best high school player I've ever
Speaker 1: seen in my life. I love that, you know that,
Speaker 1: the big diplomat. Yeah, five dinner, guest, dead are alive?
Speaker 1: Five dinner. Guess I'm gonna go with m J. Jordan
Speaker 1: and Jackson both. Okay, thank you for playing up save.
Speaker 1: I gotta have Tiger Woods in there. I gotta have
Speaker 1: Muhammad Ali in there, and then I need like I need.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm going all athletes here. Somebody got to
Speaker 1: make you laugh at the table something. Yeah, give me
Speaker 1: Will Fare. I was just about, Yeah, we gotta get Will.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be a funny episode. He might come in here.
Speaker 1: He always in a bit. He's acting like a character
Speaker 1: all time. You know, he doesn't even have like lines
Speaker 1: half the time, like the funny ship you see on
Speaker 1: like Step Brothers. He's just winging it like that's just him,
Speaker 1: like vibing off visible like saying crazy ship. I believe it.
Speaker 1: I believe it. The toughest matchup in the league. I
Speaker 1: mean honestly, scoring wise, like Garden, k D's impossible. You
Speaker 1: mean you're five wing because we all were wing like five.
Speaker 1: K D's impossible, right, He's seven foot and he can
Speaker 1: handle crazy like he would like you can't stop him.
Speaker 1: You just hope he's having an off night, honest night,
Speaker 1: and be physical with him like Kobe was crazy. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean James Harden wasn't you know who I really had.
Speaker 1: I had the most trouble with Genobli just because he
Speaker 1: was so yeah, like he's always in my lip. He
Speaker 1: was so slippery. He would draw, he would found me.
Speaker 1: I had to get three fouls early on him, like
Speaker 1: he was he would get mark from going left. But
Speaker 1: once he got down here young Janelle, but used to
Speaker 1: dunk that he was you're dunking on your head. And
Speaker 1: even if he went right, he's coming back left somehow.
Speaker 1: He wasn't motherfucker, He's always not my love. You said
Speaker 1: that nobody was tough, and then I mean we switched
Speaker 1: a lot, right, So I remember a couple of times
Speaker 1: would get caught on steph and like moving without the ball. Really,
Speaker 1: it's not my gig, right, like I better like post
Speaker 1: defense or like fighting over a pick and roll. This
Speaker 1: dude doesn't stop, and so chasing him was probably just
Speaker 1: as hard as Guarden, like Katie on ice, so because
Speaker 1: he's just movement, right, who else would We had the
Speaker 1: the Wade crazy Carmelos a bucket. But then there was
Speaker 1: a guys like who are the guys that like ron
Speaker 1: artists like that that shouldn't but that would bust your
Speaker 1: ass like I had. Wilson Chandler used to always just
Speaker 1: get and Rudy Gay those two guys thirty no matter what,
Speaker 1: he's like your kryptonite. Yeah, you stuck me a couple
Speaker 1: of times. You you snuck me a couple of times.
Speaker 1: You can have the cop up favorite city to visit
Speaker 1: when you when you win the league. I would say
Speaker 1: New York is just growing up in Florida, I'd always
Speaker 1: go to Miami and I lived in l A in
Speaker 1: the off season, So New York was, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: the MSG is the mecca, right, Like going to playing
Speaker 1: there was dope, Dinner there after the game was dope,
Speaker 1: going out was dope. Like I just really, New York
Speaker 1: is just different from me, and I only like it
Speaker 1: for short stinch Yeah, exactly, Like so I would probably
Speaker 1: say in New York, I would say Miami had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with basketball. You I just feel like I
Speaker 1: was talking to someone's about this the other day, Like
Speaker 1: the energy when they opened that door and you can
Speaker 1: get off the plane, it's just yeah, you want to
Speaker 1: like take your shirt off like Michael Jackson chess. You mean,
Speaker 1: like so I would say Miami for with nothing to
Speaker 1: do with basketball. Well, it's funny because y'all answers on
Speaker 1: my basketball wise the garden, Yeah, Miami, you know it
Speaker 1: was sneaky? Was Miami. Scottsdale for like Phoenix was going
Speaker 1: out not to play like it's whatever, but as far
Speaker 1: as going out and nightlife, scotstal m h best Kobe
Speaker 1: memory on or off the court. Yeah, so I got
Speaker 1: a I got a good Kobe story. So my rookie year,
Speaker 1: we're playing here in Staples Center and McHale tells us
Speaker 1: before like, look, you're like, he pulls me aside, like
Speaker 1: you're gonna see crazy people. You're gonna see celebrities. They're
Speaker 1: like lock in and Kobe he's gonna try and bust
Speaker 1: your ass, like he's gonna be like offended. You're guarding him.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, like I love it. I'm flattered to
Speaker 1: guard him. So I go there. First of all, I'm
Speaker 1: just looking at the court side on my head's on
Speaker 1: a swivel. Just I've never seen this before, right, I'm like, God, damn,
Speaker 1: this is crazy there. And this checks there, I'm like wow.
Speaker 1: So I'm already distracted, and of course i'm starting on
Speaker 1: Kobe and Jordan Hill that year had got traded from
Speaker 1: Houston to l A, so I had known him as
Speaker 1: a little side note. And fourth quarter comes around and
Speaker 1: Kobe looks at me and he's like, are you guys
Speaker 1: staying the night tonight? And I'm like, I'm like looking
Speaker 1: at mcale, make sure he's not looking at before, And
Speaker 1: I'm like yeah, like what Like I'm like, oh, he's
Speaker 1: doing it like he's Mr yagam me right now he's
Speaker 1: doing I'm like, yeah, like what's what's up? We're staying.
Speaker 1: He goes, I'll set you up like I'll get your
Speaker 1: number from Ja Chow and like if you want to
Speaker 1: go out tonight. And I'm like stop, like you're like
Speaker 1: I know what you're doing, Like come on. Mcale's over
Speaker 1: there like grilling me, like stop talking to this motherfucker.
Speaker 1: So I go ends up. He ends up just going off.
Speaker 1: He's like forty that game. We lose. After the game,
Speaker 1: you know, like right there in l A Live, we
Speaker 1: go to like cat Suya and we're with all the
Speaker 1: O G s. Right, we're with like Candy down and
Speaker 1: they're all taking me out. I get a text and
Speaker 1: he goes, you're all set at supper club Dash Mamba
Speaker 1: and I'm like I'm like I'm like looking around, like
Speaker 1: all right, who's sucking with me? Like no, no way,
Speaker 1: And I'm like quarterly leaves my guy right, I'm like
Speaker 1: showing him like is this real? Like you guys number
Speaker 1: like and I write him back. I'm like okay, like
Speaker 1: like are you like I said something like are you comment.
Speaker 1: He's like, now, I can't make it, but my guy
Speaker 1: will hit you up. I got next text, Hey, you're
Speaker 1: set up. Let me know what you need, a supper
Speaker 1: club whatever. So at this point I'm telling the table,
Speaker 1: I'm like, guys, I got you. He's my guy. He
Speaker 1: set it up. Let's go j bicker staff is. They're like,
Speaker 1: I'm bringing coaches, I'm bringing trainers. This is I got it,
Speaker 1: and we have a blast. Right, we have the craziest
Speaker 1: night ever. Supper club was the was the club where
Speaker 1: the tables were beds. It was awesome, and I was like,
Speaker 1: it was nuts and two am rolls around and granted,
Speaker 1: I'm with these guys that made hundreds of millions dollars
Speaker 1: and this waitress b lines right to me with the
Speaker 1: check and I'm like, oh ship. And my dad's my
Speaker 1: financial advisor at the time. He would be on my
Speaker 1: ask if I like value sized my combo meal Chick
Speaker 1: fil A, and he's bringing me. She's bringing me this
Speaker 1: bill for god knows how much. And I'm like, oh man,
Speaker 1: I opened it and it's like and now at this point,
Speaker 1: I'm like I'm sick, Like I'm I'm physically like, no, no, Like,
Speaker 1: I can't do that because car's gonna bounce. I'll never
Speaker 1: forget this. Chick looks at me, hands me a pen
Speaker 1: and says signed from Mr Bryant, and I'm like what,
Speaker 1: I'm like a video the whole thing. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: like signing Kobe Brant. I saw Kobe Bryant on a
Speaker 1: club bill and everyone, by the way you say he's tough,
Speaker 1: he's gonna go at you. I'm like, this dude was
Speaker 1: cool as fuck. He was awesome. It was a crazy,
Speaker 1: crazy time. I got a picture of it. I still
Speaker 1: got his number. I'm I love the way the story
Speaker 1: went though, because I thought because Kobe wasn't asked too,
Speaker 1: he would have been knock you with the bill and
Speaker 1: from the weekend before, and I was like, he flinted
Speaker 1: on you. I like that. That's our god. I loved that.
Speaker 1: That's a dope, fast story, nothing but love for him.
Speaker 1: That's probably my favorite Kobe story. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: last question, bro, if you could have a guest on
Speaker 1: our show, who would it be? But you have to
Speaker 1: help us get your answer on the show, I talked
Speaker 1: my birth. I'll put that one tog UM, I mean,
Speaker 1: let's get Cuban on here. He's the he's the He's
Speaker 1: I still talk to my time and that's your guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I probably get that done, So tell him. Will be
Speaker 1: your cryptical coloratus and if you want to come to Dallas,
Speaker 1: will come to Dallas again. Yeah, we're passing out ten days. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about I'm not talking about absolutely not
Speaker 1: what I'm give me a job on his new company though, right,
Speaker 1: But Chandler Man, thank you, ye interview, thank you for
Speaker 1: your time before we go. Oh got something fun you
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Speaker 1: father man. The way you're growing in this game. It's
Speaker 1: motherfucker all right now. Sandling Man, appreciate you. Thank you.
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