1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. M H. 3 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: Welcome back to All the Smoke. Jack, what's up, bro? 4 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: Happy to be in l A. You're trying your game 5 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: up today. I saw you packed a bunch of louise 6 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: coming out here, but you really came like, where are 7 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 1: you going after this is nowhere? I'm just I'm just saying, 8 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: I'm just setting this down up for two on the 9 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: show and that's all. So you got me looking like 10 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,959 Speaker 1: like like a soccer day right now up. No, I mean, 11 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: you got this ship at your house. I'm just I'm 12 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: just gonna force you to bring it out. I respect that. 13 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: I respect that. I respect that. Man. We got a guest, 14 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: a guy I've known for a while, a friend of mine. 15 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: We've finally able to track him down. Man. Welcome Chaidler Parsons. 16 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Thanks for having me. What what what to 17 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: get his watch? We'll get time, get his watch. It 18 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: gets watch. But the new father, let's talk about that. 19 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you were gleaming. We were just talking about 20 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: this before the show. Man. You're a father of a 21 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: three month old daughter. Tell us what that what that 22 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: like want he wants more? Yeah, definitely, he's gonna have 23 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: five girls. I'm definitely gonna be the guy that has 24 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: all daughters for sure. But little uh, there's nothing like him. 25 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: And you guys know, you know you think you love something, 26 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: you have a child, and something just clicked. I was 27 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,839 Speaker 1: telling Matt, like something happened where you know, a couple 28 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: of months ago, Mom couldn't get her to stop crying, right, 29 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: and then I grabbed her and all of a sudden 30 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: just stopped her. Now it's getting to the age where 31 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: she's getting a personality and you're walking in the room 32 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: and she's smiling, and it's it really is. There's absolutely 33 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: nothing like him. I love it. He knows he's got it. 34 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: He's got a bunch of daughters, yes, five and the 35 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: bonus nine year NBA vets um. It's been a crazy 36 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: past couple of years for you. Can you you mind 37 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: walking us kind of through? I know you were in 38 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,399 Speaker 1: an accident, you were tired, talk to us about what's 39 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: kind of me going on? You? I mean, it's been 40 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: a crazy two years for everybody, right, Like no one 41 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: could have predicted this happening, But yeah, man, it was nuts. 42 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: I was just I was leaving practice one day, random 43 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: day in Atlanta, two o'clock on a Wednesday, and I'm driving. 44 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: I just see this car coming at me and just 45 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: completely t bones me and and I had never been 46 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: to crash before. I've never been been a finderband or nothing. 47 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: And it's kind of a crazy story. It's funny story now. 48 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: But like I'm going and I'm completely out right, like 49 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 1: I'm knocked out, Man, I wake up, Where did the 50 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 1: car hit you? So I'm going through an intersection in 51 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: the car, I kind of see it coming this way 52 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: and out of nowhere, it just kind of speeds up 53 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: and just kind of gets me going through the interset 54 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: on the drivers on your door on the driver's side. 55 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: I was solo in the car, and so I get 56 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: hit right and I wake up, and by the time 57 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: I wake up, there's already sirens, and I just remember 58 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: the windows were bashed in the air bags route I 59 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: had to cut on my wrist where was bleeding, and 60 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: I couldn't move my neck, and I'm like like shit, 61 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: like this is this is serious. And I can see 62 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,839 Speaker 1: the guy who hit me and he's completely knocked out, 63 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: blood everywhere, and I'm like wow, like this is this 64 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: is scary. And so I'm looking at my car's all 65 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: messed up. There's red everywhere, and I hear this voice 66 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: and I'm not like a religious, spiritual kind of guy 67 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: like that, but I hear this voice and it's like 68 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: Chandler and Mr Parsons were coming to get You're gonna 69 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: be okay. And at that moment, I'm like sitting there, 70 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: I'm like funk, like I this this is what happened, 71 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: Like I died, this is what happened. This is God, like, 72 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: this is what happens. Right, Blood everywhere, and I snap 73 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: out of it, bro, And it was the on star 74 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: from my car telling me they were coming to get me. 75 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: And I was bringing my girl home spaghetti. So half 76 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: the red in my car everywhere was Marinara sauce. But 77 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: at the moment I'm tripping, I'm like, oh ship. And 78 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: then fast forward like the next day I go and 79 00:03:58,120 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: that Land is like, hey, you need to lawyer up, 80 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: like once they find out who you are, what you're driving, 81 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: like this guy's gonna sue you. And I'm like I 82 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: didn't do anything wrong, Like what do you mean? Turned 83 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: out as to Due's third d U, I fifty six 84 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: year old, just like completely his fault. And so I 85 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: was in this lawsuit basically for two years where I 86 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: was recovering from injuries like I messed my neck up, 87 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: I tore my labor on my shoulder, super gnarly concussion, 88 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: and so that kind of forced my hand to basically retire. Um, 89 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: And I never thought I'd do that thirty one years old. 90 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: You know, you want to go out in your own terms. Um, 91 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: But it was scary, man. But then the whole world 92 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: closed down with COVID, and uh, you know, I think 93 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: everything kind of happened for a reason, but it was 94 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: it was scary. How are you physically right now? Obviously 95 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: I know the mentor is going to take a while 96 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: to just process everything, but how are you physically feeling right? Yeah? 97 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: Physically I'm I'm getting better. You know, I'm still like rehabbing, 98 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: working out, still training. Um, the injuries or stuff like 99 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: I can you know, they're they're permanent, but I can 100 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: kind of maintain I'm not gonna play in the NBA anymore, 101 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: So don't need to be doing that. But to live 102 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: my life and do what I want to do, to 103 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: be a father, travel things, like that, I'm I'm, I'm okay, 104 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: and the lawsuits settled, so now I'm finally free and 105 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 1: able to do cool ship like this. I live in Atlanta, 106 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: so I remember that. Yeah, it was not it was crazy. 107 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: It was it was crazy. It was crazy. How have 108 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: you kind of car compartmentalized? Obviously the way you spoke 109 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: on your daughter you turned instantly read. But kind of 110 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: just again the last two years and now something I 111 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: want to visit, just like the mental side of having 112 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: your career cut short. You know, you were kind of 113 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: you had bad luck with injuries towards the end, but 114 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: then just to have it kind of taken away with 115 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: that kind of situation, how have you kind of handled that? Yeah, 116 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: that that takes a toll on you. I had five 117 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: knee surgeries, so I was kind of missing time, missing games, um, 118 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: kind of towards the end of my career. Anyway, five 119 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:54,119 Speaker 1: knee surgeries that it was terrible, two or three three 120 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: and two meniscus. I had microfracture. I was my first 121 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: one to which kind of set it off in spiral 122 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: from there. But yeah, I mean it just sucks. It's 123 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: things that you can't control that, you know, my dream 124 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: as a kid was to play in the NBA and 125 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: compute at the highest level. And um, the fact I 126 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: did that for nine years, and obviously it was altered 127 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: by injuries and stuff, but I never thought I'd retire 128 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: on these terms. I never thought I'd retired from the 129 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: game at thirty one years old. Um, and it takes 130 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: his hone. You there some dark times there where you know, 131 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: kind of why me, Why is this happening to me? 132 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: And then the crash happens and I'm watching these guys 133 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: play that you got me how you know, there's Jack's 134 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: going at me off social media. I always wanted to 135 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: because I'm like Champ, there's one of the coolest white 136 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: boys I know on the plan of him and J J. 137 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: Reddick Man, you know, and that's you know, what's that's 138 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: funny he said that, But that's that's that's just part 139 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: of it, right. And then obviously, when you know, I 140 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: was on a big contract, right, and I had high 141 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: expectations and I was making a lot of money and 142 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: I wasn't playing, and so I understand that part, but yeah, 143 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: I just never expected it to end this way and 144 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: this quick. But you know, you know, I'm kind of 145 00:06:56,320 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: excited for the next future. That's good. Counseled Berry, Florida. 146 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: Talk about your upbringing. How was it growing up and 147 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: how did you get into sports. Yeah, so I'm the 148 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: youngest of four boys. Grew up in Castle Barry, Florida. 149 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: Brother Chris is here. Yeah, so Chad, Chris Chase. Being 150 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: the youngest, I just got this ship kicked out of 151 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: me every single day, right, And I was always playing 152 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: with older kids, which I think kind of got me 153 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: prepared because by the time, you know, I'd go to 154 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: my own eight and under a basketball game and I 155 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: would dominate because my three older brothers were killing me 156 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: before that. Right. So, yeah, I grew up with them family, 157 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: huge Orlando Magic fan. Uh. You used to always, you know, 158 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: go in the backyard and watch the games with Shack 159 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: and Penny of them and turn the time out. I'd 160 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: run in the backyard and act like them and do 161 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: what I saw and then go back and watch the game. 162 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: So that was always just I always wanted to do 163 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: it right. And then uh yeah, with the brothers that 164 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: you know, I couldn't have been here without them. They 165 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: pushed me, They helped me so much, just kind of 166 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: developed Castle Barry is close to Orlando. It's like a 167 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: suburb that's not very nice inside Orlando. Yet, No, it's 168 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: not very nice. You went to Winner Park High School, 169 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: and I'm aforded for recruiting the nation. You committed to 170 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: your home state team, the University of Florida two thousand six. 171 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: What was that? I was the decision? So that was crazy. 172 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: I went to winter Park Lake How High School, Winter 173 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: Parks That's that's a that's kind of the rival school. Um, 174 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: but no, it was cool, man Like when I was 175 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: a junior and senior in high school, that's when Florida 176 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: was popping, right, That's when they just won the two 177 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: national championships. Joachim al Horford, those guys were there, and 178 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: I loved the Gators. I would always go to camps 179 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: growing up, and so being a fan having them on 180 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: top of basketball, Billy Donovs or coach like, to me, 181 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: it was a no brainer. And by the time I 182 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: was a senior, I was a five star recruit. But 183 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 1: this dude would not offer me a scholarship. And I'm 184 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: going all these all American camps. I got all these offers, 185 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: but for whatever reason, and my teammate and my high 186 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: school teammate Nikolaitis. I don't know if you guys remember him. 187 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: He was committed there since he was like a freshman, 188 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: so I like, I wanted to go there so bad 189 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: and just through the process, he finally offered and I 190 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: had had my five official business plan. Florida was my 191 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: first one and stick Joe King was my was my host. 192 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: And let's just say I signed one. He canceled the 193 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: other four visits. Yeah already. Yeah, I don't know him, 194 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: but I feel like I would you would vie with him, 195 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: like he's the best. I love competing against him, but 196 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: I feel like just we would be burning it down. No, 197 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: he's on your guys. Were your other four visits to 198 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: my four visits from Texas, L s U Tennessee and 199 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 1: Notre Dame. But it was a rap after that visits? 200 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: Was there? So you're one of those rare as I 201 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: was four year players? Uh when SEC player of the Year. 202 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: What do you remember most about your Florida experience. I 203 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: mean there's a lot of history on the basketball side. 204 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: Football side is dope with Yeah went who who was 205 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: on the football side? Wh when I was there? It 206 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: was the years it was Thibow It was hand as Percy, 207 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 1: Pouncy Twins, Joe Hayden. It was I mean that was 208 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: arguably the best Cali Rivers with the volleyball player. We 209 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: had Ryan Locke Toy the Olympic swimmer. When we're there, 210 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: so like Florida, I was active. It was crazy. You're 211 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: on campus every day and Sandals. I should have left, 212 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: I could have. I could have been a higher draft 213 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: pick my junior year, but I had to go back. 214 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: Like I loved it, loved it. You're making it sound 215 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: sweeter than U c l A. But I feel you 216 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: like a blast. Yeah, so I get it. No, it 217 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: was cool to like going there during those years. Um, 218 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: like you said, with the football team was was so good. Um, 219 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: you know our basketball team was very good. So it 220 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: was just I was an hour and a half away 221 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: from home. My parents, my family could go to all 222 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: my games. Um, and like I said, it was just 223 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: a blast. Man, Like I loved it. Did you guys 224 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: kick go with the football team, we did? You know 225 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,319 Speaker 1: what they were? They were They all football players think 226 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: they can hoop, right, So they would all go to 227 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: the rec center and we would play against like we 228 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: would kind of play and I remember Aaron Hanna's he 229 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: had Actually he was nice. Yeah, we're with Julie Edelman 230 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: last night. He was. He played, he had a scholarship. 231 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: He played on Connecticut like the Husky au team or 232 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: whatever with the coach's son. He was nice, but he 233 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: could have easily went, do you one in basketball? Crazy? 234 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: This dude just told us that ship last night than 235 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: he could that. He was really good, so him, Brandon Spikes, 236 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: like all these guys, they would go and they're athletic 237 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: as funk, right, they could go, right, But yeah, he 238 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: used to bust the grass I remember m damn Drew something, 239 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: Drew Damn Gillani remember his name already, remember the name 240 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: the quarterback from U c l A. He used to 241 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 1: come in bare footed and go between his leg the 242 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: white boy, Drew Bennett. He played, see, he was a 243 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: court backup quarterback U. C. L A. Played like seven 244 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: years as an NFL. He's a swap over there. He 245 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: knows everything everything. But it's crazy because this dude. The 246 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: football players have walked through Polly sometimes to go to 247 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 1: meal after practice, and Drew would come in there with 248 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: no shoes on and do East Bay funk and dunk 249 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: them bite that's funny. I was like, yeah, the football 250 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 1: players super ethic. I wanted soon because sometimes like a 251 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: U c l A, Like some funk with us and 252 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: some didn't. I mean like because sometimes basketball and football 253 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: players don't really vibe everywhere. Yeah, there was no there 254 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: was no beef like that like Kansas. There was like 255 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: the fight on Yeah, like that someone really don't matter 256 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: that Florida for whatever reason, I mean, to win them. 257 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: They kicked and we lived in the same dorms. Like 258 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: we go to their games, they'd come to our games. 259 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: Everyone was winning, so everyone there was. There was no 260 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 1: every school call is not like football basketballers kind of. 261 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: But he was like, yeah, there's animosity like there was. 262 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: Remember the Kansas like ten years ago there was like 263 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: brawl on campus. Yeah, thats crazy. Coach Donovan went off 264 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: you scholarship finally did like working with him for four years. 265 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: He was great man. Honestly, going in there as a 266 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: high recruit fresh off two chips from him, like we 267 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 1: went in there with the wrong mindset. We were the 268 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: number one recruiting class. Nick Kola, this John Lucas son, 269 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: Jay Lucas, this kid Alex Taias and some other kid. 270 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: But and so he got and it was it was 271 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: cracking there right, like they were they were the best 272 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 1: team in the country and we were trash. We went 273 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: to we didn't make the tournament. We went to the 274 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: n I t So like my first two years, we 275 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: kind of went in there as arrogant little dick heads, 276 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: and like he's this New Yorker Napoleon syndrome. Little man 277 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: thinks he's tough and he would just you know, he's 278 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: from the school or Patino. He would get yours. He 279 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 1: looked like he in the mafia. He's cool as fun, 280 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: but he's also he he gets angry quick. So my 281 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: first two years I didn't get that. I didn't understand 282 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: that I would want to transfer, I would want out. 283 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: And then once you get older and you understand, like 284 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: what he's trying to do and like instilling you something 285 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: switch worse like this guy's and he was always a 286 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: brilliant basketball mine. Right, you can see what he's doing 287 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 1: now in Chicago, Like the guy's arguably the coach of 288 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: the year, right, So I mean he's always been a 289 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: great basketball mine. But then you just understand him more 290 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: as you know your years go on. You were drafted 291 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: thirty eight overall to the Rockets and to the lockout. 292 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: He decided to go overseas and France for two months. 293 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: What was your reason why that you just wanted to 294 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 1: stay hope and stay busy. Yeah. So when I was drafted, 295 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: there was the lockout, so there was no season, right 296 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: and I was a second round pick, so my contract 297 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: wasn't guaranteed. So my agent at the time basically got 298 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: me a deal where I could go play in France 299 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: and they gave me an out clause. And this was 300 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: during the time with like de Will went to Turkey, 301 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: like a lot of guys were doing it, and as 302 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: a four year guy for whatever reason, like it's kind 303 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: of shunned up, Like it's it's like a bad look 304 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: to stay in college four year because it's like, why 305 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: didn't he leave early? What's wrong? Like and you're and 306 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: then you're older, like I got drafted twenty one years old, 307 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: which I think is a good thing, right because you 308 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: go through so much ship in college, Like I'm ready 309 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: to help an NBA team right away. I see both 310 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: sides with the potential of taking an eighteen year old 311 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: kid too. But so for what I had, just I 312 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: had something to prove still. So I wanted to keep 313 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: going and I wanted to stay in shape. I wanted 314 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: to play in games for the second round, non guaranteed contract. 315 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to when camp when the lockout ended, which 316 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: it was gonna end. I wanted to be ready to go. 317 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: So I went to play for two and a half 318 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: months and it was dope. Yeah it was cool. I 319 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: mean I lived in a place called Chole, France, which 320 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: wasn't fun, Like it was like a little village. Yeah 321 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: it's it's not it's not cool. It's played there for 322 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: probably really three weeks. It came back home and I 323 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: couldn't do it. No, I was eighteen, I mean nineteen, 324 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: I couldn't do it. Yeah it was. I mean it 325 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: was different. It's the crowd is different, the games different. 326 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: It's like the Olympic style game where you get to 327 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,479 Speaker 1: call travel if you don't put the ball first, goaltending, 328 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: no defensive three seconds. But I just wanted to who 329 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: I just wanted to play, and I was making it. 330 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: Gave me like twenty five grand a month, and I 331 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: was like at the time, I was like, that's my 332 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: first paycheck. I loved it. So I was like this 333 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: is great. And then the lockout ended and I came 334 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: back to Houston. I think it really helped me because 335 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: by the time camp started, I was in crazy shape. 336 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: I was ready to go, and that's how I kind 337 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: of got my start, I think because I was so 338 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: ready to play that by the time my sixth NBA 339 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: came around, I was starting. Who who was on your 340 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: team at that Who was on the So when I 341 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: was drafted, coach Kevin McHale was a coach, and then 342 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: it was like Kevin Martin's skull uh dallam bear, Marcus 343 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: Canby was there, earl like Courtney Lee, and then it 344 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: was a couple of young guy it was Kyle Lowry 345 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: was there, Dragic, Pat Beverley. So when I was there, 346 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: like we had a squad. I think we missed the 347 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: playoffs by like one year, one game my rookie year. 348 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, they we started off like two and three 349 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: or whatever. This is kind of like my like coming 350 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: to the NBA moment, Like I wasn't playing at all 351 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: and I just came from France. I'm sick, I'm a 352 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: second round pick with with acne and like I like 353 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: I was, I was not ready to go and so 354 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: I'm playing and we started off like two and three 355 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: and I played some garbage minutes. We got blown out 356 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: a couple of times where he put me in and 357 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: I just remember pulling up and we were playing okay 358 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: see And it was when they had you know, Russ 359 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: Kat and James and he had always read the starting 360 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: lineups on the board and I walked in the locker 361 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: room early as hell, like three o'clock, like first bus, 362 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: and I just saw it said Parsons Dash Durant and 363 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: I was saying, oh ship, like it was the first time. 364 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: I was like, she just got like oh wow. Like 365 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: I played garbage minutes against other second round picks and 366 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: into the game like this was like mine, like, oh 367 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: my god, like it's it's go time. I guess one 368 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: of the best. Yeah, and it was. I mean, he 369 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: busted my ask, but he was a little like he 370 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: was I think he shot like poorly from the field 371 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: and we won the game. And honestly, since then, I 372 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: started all the way through, so it was kind of 373 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: like that was like my moment where he gave me 374 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: a chance and it just kind of worked out. Let me, 375 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: let me ask the question. So with going to four 376 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: years going to college and playing four years and having 377 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: the injuries, you think staying all that time took some probably, 378 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: you know. I think when you think about it, when 379 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: you play playing AU, no one you could have went 380 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: after your first or second year, you know what I mean. 381 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,479 Speaker 1: And then you look back. You played AU from twelve 382 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: to fifteen, then you played four years of high school. 383 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: Then I played four years of college. So it's like 384 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: that's a lot of miles on your body and your 385 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 1: knees by the time you get to the n b A. 386 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: And like I said, my with the lockout my rookie year, 387 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: we had back to back to back, so you guys 388 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: remember that was free in a row and that that's when, 389 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: like I was, I was the young guy, so I 390 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: was playing right, I was playing all of the minutes. 391 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: And they probably had you doing ship before practice, practicing 392 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: there first after they last got to make all the anomics. 393 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: So I was so yeah, I think that definitely had 394 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: an impact. I think the longer you played, just the 395 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: more grind, the more bumps and bruises you get. But 396 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: you can't predict that though, exactly. You can't. That's one 397 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: thing I've learned. Bro. It's like listen, I understand everything 398 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: that comes with it, with the pressure of the expectation stuff, 399 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: and as athletes, we want that, like like Jen Rex 400 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: and the other day. It's like no one, no, no 401 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: one can create a narrative to put more than us. 402 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: Trust me, we want it more than you. So like 403 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: the media that fans like, right and that I know 404 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: really good. Yeah so he and yeah, but that was 405 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: my thing where I was like like literally my first 406 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: injury my foot got caught in David West shorts. I 407 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: came down on my knee, chip cartilage in my knee, 408 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: Like how the how am I supposed to predict that? 409 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: And that was that turned into a micro That was 410 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: my third That was my third year, and yeah, that 411 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,959 Speaker 1: was when I first had my microfracture where microfracture used 412 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: to it not to catch you off, used in careers 413 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: that I was Yeah, like I talked to like a 414 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: Mari J kid. These guys that had it, they were 415 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: never the same from it. The fact that I still 416 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: I got that my third year and still was able 417 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: to get to max contracts after that, But it hurt, 418 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: like it was awful, Like it still bothers me. I 419 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: have a quarter sized piece of cartilage missing in my 420 00:18:55,080 --> 00:19:06,199 Speaker 1: right knee was off. So going into your second year, 421 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: you guys make that blockbuster to deal for Harden. Yeah, 422 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: who actually just got traded today. We'll talk about that 423 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: a little bit. But what was that experience like? So 424 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: that was that was nuts? Right? So I think we 425 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: we had just gotten Dwight Howard uh before that, and 426 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,719 Speaker 1: we needed that extra piece, right And and by the way, 427 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: the signing of Dwight Howard was nuts too. We can 428 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: that was crazy, but so Dwight, we had the same agent, right, 429 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: And I was the second round pick. I had a 430 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: four year deal, but the fourth year was a team option. 431 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: And at this point I'm starting, I'm averaging seventeen like 432 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: I'm going and my agent said I couldn't. They couldn't. 433 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: They're going to pick up the fourth year. Why wouldn't 434 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: there You're owed nine grand or whatever, and just a 435 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: huge bargain for them. I end up hiring Dan Fagan 436 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: the only reason because r I p because he said 437 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,719 Speaker 1: I can get you out of that fourth year, and 438 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: no and and no one else could write. And how 439 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: we did it basically he used leverage. He went to 440 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: the GM and he went to the owner and said, 441 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: I'll get you Dwight Howard, but you're not picking up 442 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: Channel Parson's contract. I gotta pay him. So instead of 443 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: making nine, I got bumped to a MAX and we 444 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: got Dwight Howard. It was the most gangster move I've 445 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: ever seen. It was nuts. It was crazy, That's what 446 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: we was. He got me paid. It's like they say, agents, 447 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: get you paid. Dan Fagan got you overpaid. David. He 448 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: definitely did. He definitely did. That's my guy man rest 449 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: in peace, so too Harden. Now right, So then we 450 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: get so then it's like all right, Jane, now now 451 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 1: we're now we're rolling right now. We got two bona 452 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: fide stars, great players that me. Terrence Jones was coming up. 453 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: We get Pat Bev, Jeremy Lyns like fresh off his lensanity, 454 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: like he's hooping, and that's just an exciting time, right, 455 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: Like Houston was a dope place to live in. I 456 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: love McHale, I love JB. Bickerstaff was our assistant man 457 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: coach of the Year and so like now that that 458 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: was just awesome. Honestly playing with those two guys at 459 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: the time, Dwight was the best big James was just 460 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: coming up into a like actual stardom. He made the 461 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: game so easy to where that was my best year 462 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: average like seventeen eighteen points because he would just lull 463 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: the defender to sleep, kick it to me and I 464 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: would either catch and shoot or do my little shot 465 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: fake that used to jump on all the time, and 466 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: then I would go. But he made it and then 467 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: like you know, going forward, I you know, I wanted 468 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 1: more and that's why I eventually end up leaving, Like 469 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: I I I thought it would be you know, I 470 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: thought I want that next step. Playing with James, he 471 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: made it so easy where you know, it turned out 472 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 1: to not be that easy when when I left, but 473 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,479 Speaker 1: like he playing with him, man, he still him. I 474 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: got Dirk at the end of his career, but James, 475 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: that's he's the best player I ever played with. He 476 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: was so cold. What was Dwight? Because this is pre 477 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: you got Dwight out of Orlando, right, we got Dwight 478 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 1: out of out of here, out of l A. So 479 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 1: he came like that one year had he had had 480 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: back surgery yet don't know he had had the back surgery, 481 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: but he was like he was fine, like he kind 482 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: of had a on the year in l A. But 483 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: like he was healthy, he was ready to go. Yeah, 484 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: I mean them too in the pick and roll in 485 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: their primes. That was tough. Yeah, I didn't know. I 486 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: got to play with Orlando Dwight and there was I've 487 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: never seen any people like, I never seen nothing. I 488 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: mean I think now people kind of shoot on him 489 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: because like this career, like they see it now, But 490 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: it was the best big in the league for a decade. 491 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: I think it's when he went to l A and 492 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: wanted to rush back and play after that back sirt 493 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: is what set him back. So his will to want 494 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 1: to help a team fu not fun his career because 495 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: he's still you know, definitely doing this thing, but he 496 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: wasn't who he was. But people talking about when people 497 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: talk about him, no, they can't really talk about this 498 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: basketball because he's not automatic Hall of Fame gotta be 499 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: something that you don't like about it the court. You 500 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: should have been a top seventy five player, no doubt. 501 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: It's just the personal ship that you maybe you just 502 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: just like him watching them the whatever. But as far 503 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: as basketball, he's the first ballot top seventy five, Like 504 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 1: he got ripped. So your first Dwight you got Dwight, 505 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: you got Jay Games, the squad you mentioned you guys battle, 506 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: okay see with Russ and durn on this ship, what 507 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: was that? Like, I mean, that was a crazy series. 508 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: That was I mean, you know, James had just left there. 509 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: We were going back in there, okay see, was one 510 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: of the craziest cross to play in front of. Got 511 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: the towels. They don't see the funk down all game long? 512 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 1: Like it was nuts, James, James just left there. Okay, 513 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: SE's fans are nuts. And then if you remember, that's 514 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: when Russ was dribbling a half court to call the 515 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: time out and Pat did the little move and towards Meniscus, 516 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: So like it was, it was. That was a fun series, right. 517 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: I think we end up losing in six, but like 518 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: playing against those guys, playing against Kat for six games, 519 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: Garden him, like that was just a grind. Like and 520 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 1: you guys know playoffs is just it's just different, like 521 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: you can say it, right, but like, I mean, every 522 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: possession matters. This ship is crazy. What's the further you've been? 523 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: Game six, Damian Lillard game winner in my face, No 524 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: first round, first first one. Never got out of the 525 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: first round. This is what you were about to ask him? 526 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: Right here, this is your second and you bring that up. Yeah, 527 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: I didn't even look at it, even look at it. Yeah, 528 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: talk to us about the series that was. That was 529 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 1: a hell of a thing. Yeah, that was unbelievable shot man, 530 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: that was crazy. So I mean we have them. Yeah 531 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: you saw that coming. That was another game six, right, 532 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 1: we had just won two in a row. So we 533 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 1: win this game, We're going back to Houston for game seven. 534 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: We were the higher seed and that play was crazy. 535 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: Still to this day, we have Patrick Beverley on the court. 536 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: I don't know why the funk I'm guarding Damian Lillard right, 537 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: like what but that was just like a crazy thing 538 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: where he came off a screen and I mean the 539 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: man hit a thirty man hit a thirty ft or 540 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: right like, I mean going to his left, going to 541 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:42,360 Speaker 1: his left right and I'm like, like, I mean he's 542 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 1: been doing this his whole career though, right, Like, that 543 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: was a tough one. That was a crazy shot that 544 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: That was my last game in Heston. That was that 545 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: was it, like it was that was our chance. We 546 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: had a we had a great team. A year we 547 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: were building. We were we're going back to the crib 548 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: for Game seven, and just like that, he had one 549 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: of the craziest shots I've ever seen. So you say, 550 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 1: you leave Houston because you want a bigger role, You're 551 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: off the Dallas well, like, you know what that was again, 552 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: that was I was on my rookie deal. Um, I 553 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: was a restrictive free agent. So this was this was 554 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: actually when we brought to White End and we did 555 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: the and we did the deal where basically Cuban came 556 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,959 Speaker 1: in and he made a he gave me a crazy 557 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: max deal with like a no trade clause player option 558 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: in the last year. Like he to make like it 559 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: in as a restricted free agent, you kind of have 560 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 1: to do that right to get the team not to match. 561 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: And yeah, so like that at the time, I love 562 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: playing with James, I love playing with McHale and and Dwight, 563 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: and I just thought, you know what, Dallas, Dirk's my 564 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: favorite player of all time. They got Dirk, they got 565 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 1: Monte Ellis, Like I could go over there and maybe 566 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: a little even more rule. Dirk's on his way out. 567 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: I can have a bigger role. Carl out. Everyone who 568 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: plays with Carl Loud their crazy offense like pick and 569 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: roll threes, like as a shooter, a guy who like 570 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: picking rolls, Like I couldn't have think of a better 571 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: offense than his. And so so yeah, accept the offer 572 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: and Houston didn't match, and I think it, you know, 573 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: it was awesome. Like I love Dallas. I love my 574 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: time there. I'm still if I didn't live in l A. 575 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: I live in Dallas. Like I really developed a great 576 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: relationship with Cuban, talked to us about that. He seems 577 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: like a real cool dude. He used to get along 578 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: with him. He's he's the best man. Even you know, 579 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: I only played there for two years, but like like 580 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 1: he's coming to my wedding, like like he like he's 581 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 1: my guy. Right, Like every investment deal I get, every 582 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: I send it to three people, he's one of them. 583 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: If he says no, I'm out, he says yes. I 584 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: mean exactly, He's the O G Shark, right, there's no 585 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: one better. So he's he's just he's such a he's 586 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 1: such a player's owner, right, Like he's funny, he's cool. 587 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: He'll go out with us, like um, the free agency 588 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: with DeAndre, like he's so involved, right, like and and 589 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,479 Speaker 1: he's just cool. But like most owners aren't like that 590 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 1: talk to us about Oh. I just want to say 591 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: one thing about Mark cute. I want to give him 592 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: his props. Uh. He just started this company where they're 593 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: they're all to people that on medication, able to get 594 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: medication for real, real cheap. I'm telling about expensive medication 595 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: for real, real cheat. I want to shout out Mark 596 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: Huban for that, because I know that's a that's helping 597 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: a lot of people all across the world medicine. That's 598 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: five hundred dollars. They're getting ten dollars, fifteen dollars. So 599 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: shout out to Mark Cuban for we need you on 600 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 1: the show. Um, the recruitment of DeAndre because you pulled 601 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: a lot of strings and then the Clippers pulled some 602 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: crazy ship. Yeah that was DeAndre Jordan by the way, 603 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: for though, you know when we say DJ that was 604 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: the biggest that was the biggest heartbreak I ever went through. 605 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: I mean at the time, we had we had a 606 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: great team in Dallas and we're recruiting free agency. Like 607 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: I'm in the I'm in the draft room, I'm in 608 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: the free agent meetings. Like Mark kind of gave me 609 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: and Dirk like rains like all right, like this is 610 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: who we want, Like, go get him. So I'm coming 611 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: out to l A. He was also with Dan Fagins, 612 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: were the same agent. So we're partying together, we're working 613 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: out together. I'm basically his schedule is my schedule. I'm 614 00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: all over him, and I'm like, I'm getting this guy, 615 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: and I get him, like he commits to us, like 616 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: he's he's verbabally there. Cubans were here, We're going to dinner. 617 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 1: Were at his house with his mom and his brothers, 618 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: And I never forget the girl was dating at the time. 619 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: She had a birthday party in Vegas, and I left 620 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: and I tweeted an airplane emoji because I was going 621 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: to Vegas. That's when the whole reports, you know, the 622 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: woj bomb saying DeAndre Jordan having cold feet, and I'm like, 623 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: there's no way, bro, I just left, like no chance. 624 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,479 Speaker 1: And that's when that whole Twitter emoji war started, remember 625 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: that where everyone started tweeting like emojis. Chris Paul was 626 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: tweeting like a banana boat or something. Blake tweeted the 627 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: picture of the door like that they like locked him 628 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: in the crib. Like there was a whole thing and 629 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: that was all because and we had just signed Wes 630 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: Matthews to come with DeAndre Jordan's It was like a 631 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: whole thing, right. Um, but again, like you know, there's 632 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: no hard feelings there if he did what he thought 633 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: was best for his career. I think that year he 634 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: was Defensive Player of the Year and for the Clippers 635 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: he wasn't went to the Western Conference final. Was like, 636 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: he's had a great career. But that was just like 637 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: a crazy that's never happened before, Like we had it 638 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: was committed, and then the Clippers flew who doc Paul 639 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: Pierce CP blake Yeah, to his house, locked him in 640 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: until he signed, and beat him down until he signed. Yeah, 641 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: it was nuts. Didn't he end up going to Dallas anyway? 642 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: He did end up going Dallas. I left it an 643 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: he wins, right. It was crazy. So heading into free agency, Uh, 644 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: you were looking to possibly stay in Dallas, I'm guessing yeah, 645 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: what you wanted to do obviously, Yeah, and it didn't 646 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: really work out that way. You end up going to 647 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: Memphis on a nice another nice deal. Um, what was 648 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,719 Speaker 1: that experience like? So that was I signed a three 649 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: year deal in Dallas, but I had a player option 650 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: in the third year and talking with Mark, talked with 651 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: my agent, they said, listen, you played. I played good 652 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: that year. You know, we went to the playoffs. They said, 653 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: you can get a big deal and there's a lot 654 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: of interest in you. So I'm like, all right, great, 655 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: I'll opt out of my player option and he damn 656 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: thing was like, basically, you're going to get a max contract. 657 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: And you know, when Dan says that, I'm fine, I 658 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: believe you. But Cuban wanted me to opt into that 659 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: third year because I had had just had a knee surgery, 660 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: I had my second one, and I was still going 661 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: into free agency, and so I didn't pick up my 662 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,239 Speaker 1: third year because Mark was like, look, just opt in 663 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: and improve yourself that you can play and and then 664 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: I'll sign I'll sign you to a five year max 665 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: the next year. And I'm like looking at it. I'm 666 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: like and it was like seventeen million, and I'm looking 667 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: at him like he's telling me to opt in now 668 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: for seven team. But dann Vegan, my agent, telling me 669 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: I got guaranteed like ninety five. Like I'm like, Mark, 670 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: if I was your son, like what would you what 671 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: would you tell him? Like, would you tell me to 672 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: do this and take this guaranteed deal. And they knew 673 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: I had like they knew I had the knee surgeries, right, 674 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: and so that was crazy. And that's another crazy story 675 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: where I had to pitch meetings. And I remember it 676 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: was Orlando and New York offered max deals but like 677 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: two or three years, but the two big four ones 678 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: where Memphis Grizzlies and the Portland Trailblazers and Paul Allen came, 679 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: Dame came, Terry Stotts came, their front office came, and 680 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: we had a great meeting in Portland. And to be 681 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: honest with you, I was all in on Portland. I 682 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: was like, we can cancel the Memphis like I'm going 683 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: to Portland, like this is playing with Dame and CJ 684 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: like this this is great. And I was like yeah. 685 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: So I was like all right, like I'm in JB. 686 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: Bickerstaff and Fizz who are on my family. They were 687 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: he had just got the head coaching job at Memphis. 688 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: I said, you know what, let's just take the meeting 689 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: like I I love them, like let's see. And also 690 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: they had Gasol, they had Connley, they Zebo t A 691 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: like they had a squad too, so I'll never forget. 692 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: We're in this meeting, right and it's at Dan Fagan's 693 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: house and we're in the Memphis meeting and I see 694 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: like we're stacks sitting. Fagin's getting like red and like 695 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: kind of getting weird. And then like five minutes later 696 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: he asked, He's like, hey, let's take a break, and 697 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: like you know, let's uh, well, we'll meet back up 698 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: in five. He's like, CP, come here. So I I 699 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: go to his room with him and he's like, you're 700 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: going to Memphis And I'm like, what do you mean? 701 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: Like he goes, Portland's is going to give you a 702 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: physical and because of like Greg Odin and Brandon Roy's 703 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: injury history, you might not pass. So I'm like, what 704 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: do you mean? Bro? He's like, trust me, Like you 705 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: don't want to go down that. Like if you do 706 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: that and they red flag you, Bro, you're taking a 707 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: minimum deal and you're smoked at So I'm like, bro, 708 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: like what Like in my head, I'm I'm on Zillo 709 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: looking at houses in Portland, like I was going, like 710 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: I love them. I go back in there, bro, and 711 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: I Oscar performance goal back. Oscar. I go back in 712 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: there listening, guys, I've never I've never been more sure 713 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: of something in my life. Great and grind to the 714 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: day I die. I'm like, I'm in. I'm gonna get that. 715 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: I was like, we can just stop it here. I'm signing. Literally, 716 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: I'm like Blake Griffin, I wouldn't let them leave until 717 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: I signed the deal. I was like, I am going. 718 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: So that was just another damn bag and crazy story 719 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: where I was like, man, I've never told that story 720 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: and so like that was nuts where I was like 721 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: this man did it again. And after getting that contract, 722 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: you get to Memphis and you get to roll by 723 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: injuries again. Yeah, which I again, I had just during 724 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: that free agency, I had just had my third knee surgery, right, 725 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: So it's not like they didn't know I was and 726 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: as an athlete, like, you know, I'm hopeful to be 727 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: the player I was, and like when you get paid 728 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: in the NBA, you're getting paid off what you did 729 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: and what you could possibly do. So it's like they 730 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: saw like a sixteen five and five guy and they 731 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: were hoping I'd get that or better maybe I'd take 732 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: a huge jump like some guys do fresh off three 733 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:41,239 Speaker 1: knee surgeries like after that four year guaranteed deal, Like, 734 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: I mean like that. So, you know, the Memphis experience, 735 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: it didn't really work out. Um, there's a little bad 736 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: blood there, but like, you know, there's some nice people there. 737 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: I I you know, I had a good time, but um, 738 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: it just didn't work out. I couldn't I couldn't find 739 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: ways to get healthy. Um, and a lot of the 740 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: people they kind of put that on in the same 741 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: day they gave Conny like two thirty so like that 742 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,479 Speaker 1: day they spent like a quarter of a billion. I'm like, 743 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: I remember me and Mike were like boot the GM like, 744 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: why are you booing us? You would do the thing 745 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: like what do you mean? It was crazy? Boo him? 746 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: So I mean, when it's all said and done, a 747 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 1: crazy nine year run derailed by injury. What do you 748 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: remember most about your experience in the n b A. 749 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: I mean it was, like I said, it was just 750 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: my dream as a kid to play in the NBA. Man, like, like, 751 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: I never thought it would end this way. I never 752 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: thought it would be cut short like this. You know, 753 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: I had dreams of being an All Star and winning 754 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: championships and doing all that. But the fact that I 755 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: lived out my dream and can now support my family 756 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 1: and like I know, if I go too, you can 757 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 1: support a lot of family, you know. I mean, like 758 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,399 Speaker 1: I can. You know, I had a great I'm I'm 759 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: met a lot of really dope people that I still 760 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: have really good relationships now. Um, I still love the game. 761 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 1: I still sitting on my couch Tuesday night, you're watching 762 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 1: you know, shar Livers or Land, Like I still love it, right, Um, 763 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 1: but you know what, it's just living out my dream 764 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: was there's no words for it, and and it's sad 765 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: that it's over. But again, I'm just excited for you know, 766 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 1: the future of my girl and my wife and just 767 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: kind of going from there doing different business things. Bro. 768 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you get to bounce business ideas off the 769 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: fucking shark tank exactly right. Better than that, um advice 770 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: looking back now you would give to a younger player. Honestly, 771 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: the time flies, bro, like it's it's nine years went 772 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,760 Speaker 1: by like that, Like I remember Draft Day, I remember, 773 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 1: you know, SEC Championship, Like it goes by so quick 774 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: and you want to enjoy it. And I enjoyed it 775 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 1: like I'd go out. I would. I was a little 776 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: reckless early on in my career and you should. You know, 777 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 1: you have a great life. You're making a lot of 778 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: bread like you should. But just I would just say, 779 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: just kind of cherished every day, man, like every practice, 780 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: every film session. You think it's a drag, but when 781 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: it's gone, like I missed that ship, like I missed 782 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: the playing Bourey on the planes, I missed like the 783 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: film sessions talking ship like I the stuff that I 784 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 1: hated when I was playing is what I missed the 785 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: most now being asking Yeah, well you think time goes 786 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 1: fast as you're playing Watch Out Fast, it goes now 787 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,280 Speaker 1: that your father has ship. Bro. It's like it feels 788 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 1: like half the types just just as fast chaff story 789 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: of battles with him, so this way it started with 790 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: being him. He's playing for the Rockets and he is 791 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: busting my ass in the first half. So you know me, 792 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,879 Speaker 1: I never knew this story. So I do somebody bust 793 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 1: man's what's the person thing I do? Fight? I try 794 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 1: to start a fight, right, this is one made me 795 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 1: remember him? Bro, this is a baby man. So after 796 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: I'm talking all this ship so he ain't paying no 797 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 1: tip to him, and I'm you're ready trying to start 798 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,840 Speaker 1: a fight and uh it's a time out and I 799 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: see him walking to the side with his teammates and 800 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 1: he looks at him like is he serious. He's like 801 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,399 Speaker 1: is he serious? And I bust off. I'm walking back 802 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 1: to my heart. I'm not crying laughing. I was like, well, 803 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: he just asked his teammate. You're on Milwaukee, right. I 804 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 1: remember want bro there's you hear things about players, right, 805 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 1: like Stephen Jackson was one of them. So now I'm 806 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,879 Speaker 1: real life in the game. I'm playing good against him, 807 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: but now like he's tight and like he's talking to me. 808 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: I remember asking Sam down Bear and the like. He 809 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 1: said something to me like like anybody but him, and 810 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: I was like I already started it, like yeah, you 811 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: had my six, yeah, like the first quarter, like crying, 812 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 1: I'm too late. Sam new karate though it was big 813 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: long as He's like like what you know in my 814 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 1: back and be like looked away. I'm like, god damn 815 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:02,479 Speaker 1: said and even no, right, traveling man, you get a chance. 816 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,240 Speaker 1: I know you're really close to Blake Griffin. I remember 817 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: back when we had that Love City team, Me, Blake 818 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 1: and DJ would go to like four countries every summer. Um, 819 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: you love to travel some of your favorite countries. Yeah, 820 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:23,879 Speaker 1: beautiful this time of year. Absolutely, yeah, you said, um, yeah, 821 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: you know what I loved, Like I went to the 822 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,799 Speaker 1: con Film Festival twice to the south of France. That 823 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 1: part of the world I never imagined, like go on 824 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: or see him. But it's super dope, really pretty great food. 825 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: Um those Abisa Meeking. Those trips are awesomewhere. Yeah, those 826 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: are fun because you can either go with your girl 827 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: or you can go with your boys, and you can 828 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:46,399 Speaker 1: do everything everything there. Um our favorite spots, Cabo, it's 829 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: two hours from here. I just gotta people. You gotta 830 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: slay it. That just got spot. We need to borrow it. Yeah, nope, 831 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 1: I'm not bullshit. It was a good Yeah. Yeah, we'll 832 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 1: pay for everything. Me and Jack's birthday coming up. We 833 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,399 Speaker 1: wanted time trip with our girls. We got a rich friend, Chail. 834 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: Thank you. You see a guy. I'm a foodie. Best 835 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,720 Speaker 1: food you've had. I just came from Montego Bay, Jamaican. 836 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: That's number one of them. Crazy right now. It was dope. 837 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: Food was crazy. Yeah. See, I mean, I mean Paris, 838 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: the food is awesome. Living there. When if I'd have 839 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,319 Speaker 1: an off day, we would take like me and the 840 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: other American our team, we would drive to and a 841 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: half hours just to go and get like dinner and 842 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 1: go out. She was such trash we would do that. Um, 843 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: I mean it's about the Kabo bro. Like it's two 844 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: hour flight and you're in a different world, different language. 845 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 1: I love Mexican food, Like it's just the best. The 846 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,800 Speaker 1: culture is the best, They're so nice, the staff is unbelieving, 847 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 1: fantastic golf and like I said, it's two hours away 848 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: and you're there. I like that. Yeah, I appreciate you 849 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,320 Speaker 1: mentioned a little bit of business. What kind of stuff 850 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 1: are you into? I mean you unfortunately have to, you know, 851 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: retire at an early age. But you know, life is good, wife, 852 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,879 Speaker 1: daughter business. I'm sure it's booming. What kind of stuff 853 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,359 Speaker 1: are you into? Yeah, I think I'm being I've seeing 854 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,799 Speaker 1: a lot of startup companies and a lot of other companies, 855 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 1: like I'm in on hyper ice or ring. I still 856 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: don't know what the sports is, and but I'm in 857 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: Phase clan, which is apparently is like you'll watch it 858 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 1: East sports game. There's more viewings on the sports game 859 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 1: than like Super Bowl Sunday. Like it's insane. What these 860 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 1: kids are doing. It's ordering that check your blood pressure, 861 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,399 Speaker 1: chakes your blood pressure, your temperature, seeing that things like that. 862 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 1: My brother I'm with in a couple of restaurants in Orlando. Um, 863 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 1: my girl's gotta like a cosmetic line called treats um 864 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 1: just a little bit of stuff like that. And now, honestly, 865 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,880 Speaker 1: now that the lawsuits settled, now I'll probably start getting 866 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,279 Speaker 1: into some commentating, broadcasting, doing a podcast with you. If 867 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: you guys need a host, always don't say that now 868 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna get that. Brian Days and Welcome 869 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 1: Chandler parts of you cannot say that on this show 870 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: and Brian Daily and the whispering in the back wait 871 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,880 Speaker 1: till the trade deadlines over and I watched I probably 872 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 1: before this season's app You're gonna be back here talking 873 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 1: ship with us. Man. It's been a great interview so far. 874 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:07,799 Speaker 1: We're down to quick hitter, So first thing to come 875 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: your mind. Let us know, build a dreams starting five 876 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:19,759 Speaker 1: affordable born players. Oh okay, Florida born. I would go 877 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: Vince Carter. I love Vince. He's the best. Playing with 878 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 1: him was cool. Um Darryl Dawkins, who would you back? 879 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,839 Speaker 1: And they used to bust my dad's ass. Pops played 880 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 1: against him. Yeah, uh t Mac love t Mac. Right there. 881 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: I'm going a Mari Stott a Meyer m h who 882 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 1: I literally saw beat this ship out of due to 883 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,360 Speaker 1: my high school team camp like the manager on my team, 884 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:55,439 Speaker 1: he looked like he does now when he was sixteen, right, um, 885 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 1: and now I need a point guard. You guys remember 886 00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:01,239 Speaker 1: Darius Washington Edgewater High School play Memphis. He was. He 887 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 1: was like the Sebastian Telfair year where they had to 888 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 1: through the fire where they put Edgewater. He I know 889 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 1: you remember. Look look, yes he missed the free throws 890 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,319 Speaker 1: in the tournament. He never really made to league, but 891 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 1: he was the coldest best high school player I've ever 892 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,399 Speaker 1: seen in my life. I love that, you know that, 893 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 1: the big diplomat. Yeah, five dinner, guest, dead are alive? 894 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: Five dinner. Guess I'm gonna go with m J. Jordan 895 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:36,440 Speaker 1: and Jackson both. Okay, thank you for playing up save. 896 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 1: I gotta have Tiger Woods in there. I gotta have 897 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:46,160 Speaker 1: Muhammad Ali in there, and then I need like I need. 898 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm going all athletes here. Somebody got to 899 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,840 Speaker 1: make you laugh at the table something. Yeah, give me 900 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 1: Will Fare. I was just about, Yeah, we gotta get Will. 901 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: That's gonna be a funny episode. He might come in here. 902 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,720 Speaker 1: He always in a bit. He's acting like a character 903 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 1: all time. You know, he doesn't even have like lines 904 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:10,840 Speaker 1: half the time, like the funny ship you see on 905 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,319 Speaker 1: like Step Brothers. He's just winging it like that's just him, 906 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,319 Speaker 1: like vibing off visible like saying crazy ship. I believe it. 907 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 1: I believe it. The toughest matchup in the league. I 908 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:24,360 Speaker 1: mean honestly, scoring wise, like Garden, k D's impossible. You 909 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,279 Speaker 1: mean you're five wing because we all were wing like five. 910 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,960 Speaker 1: K D's impossible, right, He's seven foot and he can 911 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,879 Speaker 1: handle crazy like he would like you can't stop him. 912 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 1: You just hope he's having an off night, honest night, 913 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 1: and be physical with him like Kobe was crazy. Um, 914 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,040 Speaker 1: I mean James Harden wasn't you know who I really had. 915 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 1: I had the most trouble with Genobli just because he 916 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 1: was so yeah, like he's always in my lip. He 917 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,360 Speaker 1: was so slippery. He would draw, he would found me. 918 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,359 Speaker 1: I had to get three fouls early on him, like 919 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 1: he was he would get mark from going left. But 920 00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:59,880 Speaker 1: once he got down here young Janelle, but used to 921 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 1: dunk that he was you're dunking on your head. And 922 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,960 Speaker 1: even if he went right, he's coming back left somehow. 923 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,239 Speaker 1: He wasn't motherfucker, He's always not my love. You said 924 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,800 Speaker 1: that nobody was tough, and then I mean we switched 925 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,359 Speaker 1: a lot, right, So I remember a couple of times 926 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,080 Speaker 1: would get caught on steph and like moving without the ball. Really, 927 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 1: it's not my gig, right, like I better like post 928 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,360 Speaker 1: defense or like fighting over a pick and roll. This 929 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,680 Speaker 1: dude doesn't stop, and so chasing him was probably just 930 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,959 Speaker 1: as hard as Guarden, like Katie on ice, so because 931 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,279 Speaker 1: he's just movement, right, who else would We had the 932 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:37,520 Speaker 1: the Wade crazy Carmelos a bucket. But then there was 933 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,600 Speaker 1: a guys like who are the guys that like ron 934 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,279 Speaker 1: artists like that that shouldn't but that would bust your 935 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: ass like I had. Wilson Chandler used to always just 936 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,280 Speaker 1: get and Rudy Gay those two guys thirty no matter what, 937 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,439 Speaker 1: he's like your kryptonite. Yeah, you stuck me a couple 938 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:57,080 Speaker 1: of times. You you snuck me a couple of times. 939 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:01,959 Speaker 1: You can have the cop up favorite city to visit 940 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,040 Speaker 1: when you when you win the league. I would say 941 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 1: New York is just growing up in Florida, I'd always 942 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:07,680 Speaker 1: go to Miami and I lived in l A in 943 00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 1: the off season, So New York was, I mean, that's 944 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,240 Speaker 1: the MSG is the mecca, right, Like going to playing 945 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,320 Speaker 1: there was dope, Dinner there after the game was dope, 946 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,160 Speaker 1: going out was dope. Like I just really, New York 947 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:19,560 Speaker 1: is just different from me, and I only like it 948 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 1: for short stinch Yeah, exactly, Like so I would probably 949 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 1: say in New York, I would say Miami had nothing 950 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 1: to do with basketball. You I just feel like I 951 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,640 Speaker 1: was talking to someone's about this the other day, Like 952 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,040 Speaker 1: the energy when they opened that door and you can 953 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,480 Speaker 1: get off the plane, it's just yeah, you want to 954 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,680 Speaker 1: like take your shirt off like Michael Jackson chess. You mean, 955 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,440 Speaker 1: like so I would say Miami for with nothing to 956 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,279 Speaker 1: do with basketball. Well, it's funny because y'all answers on 957 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,400 Speaker 1: my basketball wise the garden, Yeah, Miami, you know it 958 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:54,279 Speaker 1: was sneaky? Was Miami. Scottsdale for like Phoenix was going 959 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,200 Speaker 1: out not to play like it's whatever, but as far 960 00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:04,640 Speaker 1: as going out and nightlife, scotstal m h best Kobe 961 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:09,279 Speaker 1: memory on or off the court. Yeah, so I got 962 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,600 Speaker 1: a I got a good Kobe story. So my rookie year, 963 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,880 Speaker 1: we're playing here in Staples Center and McHale tells us 964 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,520 Speaker 1: before like, look, you're like, he pulls me aside, like 965 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,919 Speaker 1: you're gonna see crazy people. You're gonna see celebrities. They're 966 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,759 Speaker 1: like lock in and Kobe he's gonna try and bust 967 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 1: your ass, like he's gonna be like offended. You're guarding him. 968 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, like I love it. I'm flattered to 969 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,040 Speaker 1: guard him. So I go there. First of all, I'm 970 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,600 Speaker 1: just looking at the court side on my head's on 971 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,360 Speaker 1: a swivel. Just I've never seen this before, right, I'm like, God, damn, 972 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,480 Speaker 1: this is crazy there. And this checks there, I'm like wow. 973 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,279 Speaker 1: So I'm already distracted, and of course i'm starting on 974 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:51,919 Speaker 1: Kobe and Jordan Hill that year had got traded from 975 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,120 Speaker 1: Houston to l A, so I had known him as 976 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,400 Speaker 1: a little side note. And fourth quarter comes around and 977 00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,359 Speaker 1: Kobe looks at me and he's like, are you guys 978 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,319 Speaker 1: staying the night tonight? And I'm like, I'm like looking 979 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:04,840 Speaker 1: at mcale, make sure he's not looking at before, And 980 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,680 Speaker 1: I'm like yeah, like what Like I'm like, oh, he's 981 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,120 Speaker 1: doing it like he's Mr yagam me right now he's 982 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,120 Speaker 1: doing I'm like, yeah, like what's what's up? We're staying. 983 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,480 Speaker 1: He goes, I'll set you up like I'll get your 984 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,600 Speaker 1: number from Ja Chow and like if you want to 985 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,279 Speaker 1: go out tonight. And I'm like stop, like you're like 986 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,120 Speaker 1: I know what you're doing, Like come on. Mcale's over 987 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,200 Speaker 1: there like grilling me, like stop talking to this motherfucker. 988 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,239 Speaker 1: So I go ends up. He ends up just going off. 989 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,879 Speaker 1: He's like forty that game. We lose. After the game, 990 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,200 Speaker 1: you know, like right there in l A Live, we 991 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,440 Speaker 1: go to like cat Suya and we're with all the 992 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,880 Speaker 1: O G s. Right, we're with like Candy down and 993 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,759 Speaker 1: they're all taking me out. I get a text and 994 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,880 Speaker 1: he goes, you're all set at supper club Dash Mamba 995 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,120 Speaker 1: and I'm like I'm like I'm like looking around, like 996 00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,200 Speaker 1: all right, who's sucking with me? Like no, no way, 997 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,520 Speaker 1: And I'm like quarterly leaves my guy right, I'm like 998 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,480 Speaker 1: showing him like is this real? Like you guys number 999 00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,200 Speaker 1: like and I write him back. I'm like okay, like 1000 00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:59,680 Speaker 1: like are you like I said something like are you comment. 1001 00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,000 Speaker 1: He's like, now, I can't make it, but my guy 1002 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,359 Speaker 1: will hit you up. I got next text, Hey, you're 1003 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:05,800 Speaker 1: set up. Let me know what you need, a supper 1004 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,920 Speaker 1: club whatever. So at this point I'm telling the table, 1005 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, guys, I got you. He's my guy. He 1006 00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,520 Speaker 1: set it up. Let's go j bicker staff is. They're like, 1007 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,600 Speaker 1: I'm bringing coaches, I'm bringing trainers. This is I got it, 1008 00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,280 Speaker 1: and we have a blast. Right, we have the craziest 1009 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,040 Speaker 1: night ever. Supper club was the was the club where 1010 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,600 Speaker 1: the tables were beds. It was awesome, and I was like, 1011 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:34,400 Speaker 1: it was nuts and two am rolls around and granted, 1012 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,320 Speaker 1: I'm with these guys that made hundreds of millions dollars 1013 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,640 Speaker 1: and this waitress b lines right to me with the 1014 00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,000 Speaker 1: check and I'm like, oh ship. And my dad's my 1015 00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,239 Speaker 1: financial advisor at the time. He would be on my 1016 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,600 Speaker 1: ask if I like value sized my combo meal Chick 1017 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,040 Speaker 1: fil A, and he's bringing me. She's bringing me this 1018 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,439 Speaker 1: bill for god knows how much. And I'm like, oh man, 1019 00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:57,319 Speaker 1: I opened it and it's like and now at this point, 1020 00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:03,799 Speaker 1: I'm like I'm sick, Like I'm I'm physically like, no, no, Like, 1021 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,239 Speaker 1: I can't do that because car's gonna bounce. I'll never 1022 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,759 Speaker 1: forget this. Chick looks at me, hands me a pen 1023 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:14,160 Speaker 1: and says signed from Mr Bryant, and I'm like what, 1024 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,600 Speaker 1: I'm like a video the whole thing. I'm like, I'm 1025 00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,280 Speaker 1: like signing Kobe Brant. I saw Kobe Bryant on a 1026 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,799 Speaker 1: club bill and everyone, by the way you say he's tough, 1027 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,400 Speaker 1: he's gonna go at you. I'm like, this dude was 1028 00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,880 Speaker 1: cool as fuck. He was awesome. It was a crazy, 1029 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,919 Speaker 1: crazy time. I got a picture of it. I still 1030 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,200 Speaker 1: got his number. I'm I love the way the story 1031 00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,640 Speaker 1: went though, because I thought because Kobe wasn't asked too, 1032 00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,480 Speaker 1: he would have been knock you with the bill and 1033 00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,160 Speaker 1: from the weekend before, and I was like, he flinted 1034 00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,000 Speaker 1: on you. I like that. That's our god. I loved that. 1035 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,080 Speaker 1: That's a dope, fast story, nothing but love for him. 1036 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,840 Speaker 1: That's probably my favorite Kobe story. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, 1037 00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,879 Speaker 1: last question, bro, if you could have a guest on 1038 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,040 Speaker 1: our show, who would it be? But you have to 1039 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,839 Speaker 1: help us get your answer on the show, I talked 1040 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:08,480 Speaker 1: my birth. I'll put that one tog UM, I mean, 1041 00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:12,200 Speaker 1: let's get Cuban on here. He's the he's the He's 1042 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,960 Speaker 1: I still talk to my time and that's your guy. Yeah, 1043 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,360 Speaker 1: I probably get that done, So tell him. Will be 1044 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,200 Speaker 1: your cryptical coloratus and if you want to come to Dallas, 1045 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:24,040 Speaker 1: will come to Dallas again. Yeah, we're passing out ten days. Yeah, 1046 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,799 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about I'm not talking about absolutely not 1047 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,440 Speaker 1: what I'm give me a job on his new company though, right, 1048 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,480 Speaker 1: But Chandler Man, thank you, ye interview, thank you for 1049 00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,400 Speaker 1: your time before we go. Oh got something fun you 1050 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:42,560 Speaker 1: my boy that we got Okay, Hey, smoke backpacking merch 1051 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:48,480 Speaker 1: can get it at all the smoke out. You get 1052 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,799 Speaker 1: your hat shirt, sweater. I'm gonna commercial right now, Matt, 1053 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,520 Speaker 1: all the smoke that store. I feel like a proud 1054 00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:58,120 Speaker 1: father man. The way you're growing in this game. It's 1055 00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:03,680 Speaker 1: motherfucker all right now. Sandling Man, appreciate you. Thank you. 1056 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,440 Speaker 1: You can catch you on Showtime Basketball, YouTube and the 1057 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,640 Speaker 1: I Heart platform Black Effects. We'll see you all next week. 1058 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,279 Speaker 1: This is all a Smoke, a production of The Black 1059 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,360 Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio in partnership with Showtime