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Speaker 1: Stone's Touring Party is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Norfolk or is it Charlotte? Could also be Knoxville.

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Speaker 2: The prefab hotel suites make it impossible to tell Holiday inns,

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Speaker 2: Ramada inns, Sheridan Motor inns. They all blur into one

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Speaker 2: great antiseptic room with a carpet worn by the door

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Speaker 2: and someone's scarf thrown over the bedlamb in a desperate

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Speaker 2: attempt to create an atmosphere. Wherever you go, it's basically

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Speaker 2: the same place. It's June nineteen seventy two, or maybe not.

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Speaker 2: The dim recollection of fireworks would indicate that it must

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Speaker 2: be July, but determining a more specific dates impossible, at

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Speaker 2: least until you figure out where you are, and that's

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Speaker 2: not worth the hassle. There's a party in someone's room,

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Speaker 2: mostly the same faces, but also a few new ones.

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Speaker 2: They'll be gone by tomorrow. There's music, booze, and smoke,

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Speaker 2: but not that kind of smoke. In some circles, it's

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Speaker 2: still considered in poor taste to whip out joints and

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Speaker 2: spark up in mixed company. If you want that, you'll

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Speaker 2: have to retire to the bathroom. A series of suggestive

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Speaker 2: eye contact and subtle gestures will tell you. When the

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Speaker 2: Rolling Stones and their extensive forty person entourage are in

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Speaker 2: the middle of their North American tour, they're also in

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Speaker 2: the middle of the United States, and the boredom is everywhere.

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Speaker 2: It greets you in the morning when you awake, and

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Speaker 2: yet another strange town, and it tucks you in at

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Speaker 2: night when you try to come down from being wired

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Speaker 2: and get some sleep. It's impossible to maintain your sanity

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Speaker 2: or your basal metabolism on the road, and the changes

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Speaker 2: that come down are invariably harder on the supporting personnel

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Speaker 2: than on the band. At least the musicians know why

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Speaker 2: they're there. They climb up on stage and have thousands

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Speaker 2: of people shout their names and tell them that for

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Speaker 2: one moment they are God and all that is important

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Speaker 2: in the world. Everyone else has to work a little

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Speaker 2: harder to find a reason to get out of bed.

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Speaker 2: The tour has eliminated the need for ordinary tasks, the

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Speaker 2: ones that provide shape to each day. Consequently, time starts

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Speaker 2: to lose its meaning. The drug taking also doesn't help.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy two America, the style is to mix

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Speaker 2: your poisons completely. This means various drugs and large amounts

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Speaker 2: of whiskey. It was though there weren't enough chemicals in

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Speaker 2: all the world to blot out the pain of just

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Speaker 2: being alive. The doping on the STP tour intensified to

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Speaker 2: the point where people's faces began to change shape. The

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Speaker 2: skin tightens around their mouths and eyes, and the flesh

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Speaker 2: disappears from under their cheekbones, giving them that gone wasted

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Speaker 2: look that's so favored in high fashioned circles. Some people

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Speaker 2: do no more than drink a lot of beer, smoke

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Speaker 2: too many cigarettes, and take an occasional upper to stay awake.

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Speaker 2: Others use the tor as an excuse to plumb the

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Speaker 2: limits of inner space. In general, this means that things

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Speaker 2: are happening in a dreamlike haze at all times. Actions

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Speaker 2: are occurring, and you know you're involved in them, but

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Speaker 2: it's all shadow play. The signal comes and you make

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Speaker 2: your way to the bathroom, waiting your turn. While crouched

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Speaker 2: in the tub, you notice a lanky, mustachioed man casually

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Speaker 2: This is the single funniest thing that anyone in this

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Speaker 2: room has ever seen, and peals of laughter ricochet off

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Speaker 2: the tiles. Without a word, everyone knows what to do.

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Speaker 2: It's tor telepathy at its finest. Someone reaches up and

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Speaker 2: pulls the shower curtain off the bar. Another yank's the

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Speaker 2: toilet paper holder out of the wall. In rapid succession,

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Speaker 2: the toilet's taken apart. Then the flush cabinet, the shower rods,

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Speaker 2: the handles, the shower head, the towel rack. Everything that's

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Speaker 2: removable is removed. Everyone gets more hysterical with each volley.

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Speaker 2: Here and here take that top this than the poor

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Speaker 2: soul hosting this hotel room. Party enters the use the toilet,

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Speaker 2: only to discover that his bathroom is now a retail

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Speaker 2: plumbing supply outlet. The gleefully guilty party is asked to leave,

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Speaker 2: but there are other rooms to be sure, and other substances.

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Speaker 2: En route first class through America in another city, another day,

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Speaker 2: it was about to begin getting high seeing as good

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Speaker 2: a way to relate to it as any. That description

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Speaker 2: comes courtesy of Robert Greenfield, the legendary rock journalist who

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Speaker 2: served as the dedicated store owns correspondent for Rolling Stone

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Speaker 2: Magazine as a twenty something in the early seventies. He

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Speaker 2: was there for the high highs of the band's nineteen

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Speaker 2: seventy two tour, and he was also there for some

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Speaker 2: of the lows. Everyone knows that the road gets grueling,

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Speaker 2: but seldom has it been documented in such harrowing clarity.

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Speaker 2: The STP tour is a karmic demonstration of Newton's third

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Speaker 2: law of thermodynamics. For every action, there's an equal and

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Speaker 2: opposite reaction. So for every night thrilling a sold out

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Speaker 2: crowd with superhuman stage theatrics, there is a long, dark

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Speaker 2: night of the soul alone in a strange room with

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Speaker 2: enough drugs to leave you teetering on the brink of

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Speaker 2: sanity and madness and life and death. After the show,

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Speaker 2: in the empty three am hotel corridors of America, there's

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Speaker 2: nothing to do but take another pill, smoke another joint,

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Speaker 2: the night with. In addition to Greenfield and has never

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Speaker 2: before heard tapes of the Stones and their exile on

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Speaker 2: Main Street, Eric Glory will also be joined by his

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Speaker 2: friend and tour mate Gary Stromberg, a rock pr spremo

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Speaker 2: who's represented a whole jukebox of the twentieth century's greatest artists.

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Speaker 2: He also had a hand in the hotel bathroom destruction.

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Speaker 2: My name's Jordan Runtug and this is the Stones touring party.

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Speaker 2: One month into the tour. It's hard to pretend anymore.

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Speaker 2: The thrill is gone. All the things that were gonna

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Speaker 2: happen on the road have already happened. At least a

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Speaker 2: thousand times. The various celebrities have departed, not to return

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Speaker 2: until the final gig in New York City. The all

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Speaker 2: important four day break is over. No more. Afternoons spent

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Speaker 2: sipping rum punches on a beach in the Jed Islands,

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Speaker 2: what remains is a solid month of gigs. Young bands

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Speaker 2: would salivate at the opportunity, but for the Stones it's

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Speaker 2: a relatively mundane case of getting up on stage each

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Speaker 2: night and making the fifteen songs set sound fresh. It's

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Speaker 2: the basic showbiz proposition. Go out there and break a leg, kid,

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Speaker 2: make them laugh, make them cry, doesn't matter how many

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Speaker 2: times you've done it before. Sometimes they start to play

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Speaker 2: a song and drummer Charlie Watts would think, didn't we

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Speaker 2: do this one already? Oh wait, that was last night.

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Speaker 2: It could be hard to tell sometimes for Gary Stromberg,

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Speaker 2: there's no other way to put it. These days felt

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Speaker 2: like a slog.

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Speaker 3: It was the dog days shows there you go, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Like where like Indianapolis.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they couldn't get excited about it there.

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Speaker 6: No, it was just it's like a baseball season was

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Speaker 6: they had dog days.

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Speaker 2: There was a.

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Speaker 6: Drudgery, The novelty of the start of a tour had

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Speaker 6: worn off. Now we just got to work, you know.

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Speaker 6: And when you go to Indianapolis, you know, what are

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Speaker 6: you going to do for diversions? There's not a lot

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Speaker 6: of excitement in some of those places. It was just

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Speaker 6: grinding and out repetition and just it's a groundhog day.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 6: You wake up every day and it's same thing you

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Speaker 6: did and when you look at the nightstand and know

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Speaker 6: where you are, what city that you're in for real,

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Speaker 6: not just playing around, you don't know where you are.

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Speaker 2: The band's barometer is Keith Richards. He's more easily read

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Speaker 2: than anyone else, with his emotions always close to the surface.

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Speaker 2: Now he looks wasted, drawn and drained by the heat.

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Speaker 2: After a few destabilizing weeks. It's a struggle to keep

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Speaker 2: himself motivated, he reflected, on those down days. When talking

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Speaker 2: to Robert Greenfield shortly after the tour wrapped in nineteen

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Speaker 2: seventy two. Here he is courtesy of our friends at

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Speaker 2: the Northwestern University Archive.

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Speaker 7: I'm refer into only on only a field the last

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Speaker 7: couple of days. So glad it's over. But I can

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Speaker 7: sustain interest in the two as long as it goes.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I can always. I can keep it going.

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Speaker 7: That road thing going for a long time. And they

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Speaker 7: all came, Yeah, if you know you're going to be

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Speaker 7: on the road from Appunta in July whatever it is,

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Speaker 7: the twenty eighth and the twenty sixth, you make it.

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Speaker 7: You know, you pace yourself and you make it.

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Speaker 2: But now they've hit the real America, loosely defined, there's

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Speaker 2: the space between the coastal media centers. There's plenty that's

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Speaker 2: good about it and plenty that's bad. But for the

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Speaker 2: Stones purposes, the bad tended to outweigh the good. One

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Speaker 2: bad element is the lack of suitable accommodations. It says

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Speaker 2: as much in the STP internal newsletter. Yes they have one.

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Speaker 2: We're about to hit the nature of the tour as

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Speaker 2: far as hotels are concerned. Upon hitting one, midwestern town

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Speaker 2: they had redacted to preserve civic pride. We really did try,

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Speaker 2: but due to circumstances, even holiday inns were unavailable, so

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Speaker 2: we're stuck. According to Mick Jagger, the group had made

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Speaker 2: a conscious effort to avoid, especially luxe hotels. They had

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Speaker 2: an entourage of some three dozen people, after all, and

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Speaker 2: the principal objective of the tour was to bank money.

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Speaker 2: But even so, these fleabags weren't exactly what Jagger had

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Speaker 8: And we didn't stand that cheap is fucking shitty horrible hotels,

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Speaker 8: but nevertheless that some of.

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Speaker 9: Them were pretty shitty, cheap, cheat and horrible.

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Speaker 10: Well, we based the thing on that they have to

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Speaker 10: be less than holiday and prices.

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Speaker 8: You know, because the thing is that you can spend

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Speaker 8: all the money in hotels.

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Speaker 11: That you come out with nothing, and then everyone says, okay,

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Speaker 11: you count nothing but that fifty grand that you might

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Speaker 9: Staying and good to to probably more.

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Speaker 2: I don't know the figures, you know, but I mean

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 8: That if I say we should stay in holiday inns,

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Speaker 8: and then someone came up with the right ideas saying.

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Speaker 9: Well, let's stay cheap for the holidays, and so we did.

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Speaker 2: The after hours entertainment also left something to be desired.

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Speaker 2: One well meeting promoter through the STP entourage a backyard

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Speaker 2: tiki party at a ranch house in suburban Denver. You know,

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Speaker 2: flaming torches next to the basketball hoop, wiki wikiluall tables

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Speaker 2: alongside a sprinkler, plastic waiting pools crammed with cores, diet, pepsi,

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Speaker 2: and ice, the whole bit. It's like the Stones crashed

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Speaker 2: your grandparents fourth the July party. Robert Frank, the Stones

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Speaker 2: tour documentarian, had a similar observation. It's like a bar mitzvah.

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Speaker 2: He marveled, and they put us on the podium. Watching

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Speaker 2: the two cultures mix was a fascinating anthropological phenomenon. Koke

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Speaker 2: snorters clogged the hallway bathrooms with the good towels laid out.

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Speaker 2: The kitchens crammed with very high members of the STP

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Speaker 2: squad chipping away at frozen cartons of ice cream procured

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Speaker 2: from the freezer. The locals and attendance do their best

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Speaker 2: not to stare, but it's a challenge. Anybody seen Jagger

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Speaker 2: one very stoned guest asks, I gotta talk with him.

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Speaker 2: Standing right next to the kid, He's Mick Jagger, clad

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Speaker 2: in a feathery blue bow atop. There's no one else

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Speaker 2: this man could be tonight other than Mick Jagger. Oh

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Speaker 2: he just left, Jagger tells the guy, with a note

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Speaker 2: of sympathy in his voice. He's gone man. As off

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Speaker 2: stage life reaches its low point, the STP crew starts

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Speaker 2: making its own fun, anything to blow off steam. Usually

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Speaker 2: it was silly stuff like swapping limos at red lights.

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Speaker 2: One time, the road crew started a shaving cream fight

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Speaker 2: in a hotel drug store. Often they would entertain themselves

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Speaker 2: by throwing post show parties in their hotel rooms, the

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Speaker 2: only venue that guaranteed both safety and a hassle free environment.

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Speaker 2: These gatherings were rarely confined to just one room and

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Speaker 2: often could be somewhat noisy. One morning on the STP

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Speaker 2: private jet, the entourage exchanged gossip from the night before. Man,

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Speaker 2: I heard someone blasting soul records until seven am. Someone

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Speaker 5: I mean again, in terms of context, the women were

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Speaker 4: They had so much power.

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Speaker 2: What the favorite was Keith a potent mix of renegade

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Speaker 10: He did that thing, you know, I mean somebody. I

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Speaker 7: On that Yeah, you end up with it.

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Speaker 9: Just because they're the.

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Speaker 7: Tying that the show in itself isn't the released, that

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Speaker 9: You realize after the show that I hang up.

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Speaker 7: So you've got to take care of too, you know,

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Speaker 9: Some got out of your way. That's shit.

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Speaker 12: Some incredible rooms.

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Speaker 10: Don't know if I should checked.

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Speaker 6: Underview or not.

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Speaker 9: I've heard seventeen checks. Someone did me. It's in the text.

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Speaker 6: I was a gatekeeper in some respects, you know, so

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Speaker 2: For the Rolling Stones on tour. Their nightly concerts were

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Speaker 7: You see, for people that are going up on that

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Speaker 9: You can take a lot more on that shit, first

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Speaker 7: They're getting that constant exercise every night in sweating it

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Speaker 2: You know, this goes a long way and explaining why

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Speaker 2: These rooms were a killer. No matter how high you get,

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Speaker 2: manager Chipmunk decides that the lamp in his room is

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Speaker 2: I uh, look here, sir, we saw a lamp, Chip

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Speaker 2: And although it's perfectly clear that Chipmunk has thrown the

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Speaker 4: I'm not trying to absolve myself.

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Speaker 5: I'm guilty, but I think it was Atlanta Chip in

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Speaker 6: It was in his first year. It was a beautiful

433
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 6: hotel near the airport. And in the atrium it was

434
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 6: I don't know how to describe it, but there was

435
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 6: a central a trim in the hotel that went and

436
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 6: it went up like ten stories the hotel, but the

437
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 6: center of the the lobby was open and you could

438
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 6: look straight up for those ten floors. Along the exterior. Uh,

439
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 6: all the way around were aisles in front of all

440
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 6: the rooms with a potted plants on the railing. There

441
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 6: were potted plants all the way around, and in these

442
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 6: potted plants were these little feeding tubes that were automatically

443
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 6: fed water.

444
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 4: It was on a timer.

445
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 2: So Chip, this is Chip.

446
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 6: I did it with Chip because he came and got

447
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 6: me and come on, we're going. Chip always spent all

448
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 6: of his free time trying to devise ways to create havoc.

449
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 6: So we went around this exterior on the top floor

450
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 6: of the hotel and took every little feeding tube out

451
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 6: from every plant and hung it over the railings so

452
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 6: that when they put turned the water onto feed the thing,

453
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 6: it would rain in the interior of the hotel, and

454
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 6: he caused it to rain, and not just a drizzle,

455
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 6: It rained in the lobby of the hotel, and they

456
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 6: went crazy. I mean, you know, can you imagine what

457
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 6: it's like, all of a sudden it starts raining and

458
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 6: the inside of a hotel, That same hotel, by the way,

459
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 6: Chip on another inspired evening, decided that he wanted to

460
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 6: remove everything that you could remove from the bathroom. So

461
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 6: he took out, literally he took out all of the plumbing,

462
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 6: the toilet, all of the piping that went into the toilet,

463
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 6: the shower. He took everything that the plumber could possibly

464
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 6: remove from the thing, and he had it piled up in.

465
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 3: His room just for it. Was like as a child

466
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 3: working up jigsaw puzzle.

467
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 2: Being on the road with the rolling stones gave ordinary

468
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 2: people licensed to behave in a way that they normally

469
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 2: never would never could. Financial woes, legal concerns, or just

470
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 2: plain old common decency would prohibit it. Sometimes this brought

471
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 2: out the best in people and yielded spectacular results, but

472
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 2: often being swept up in the climate controlled world of

473
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 2: the elite, had a corrosive effect on the human psyche.

474
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 2: Chipmunk is a perfect case study. On one hand, considers

475
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 2: remarkable stage set up achieved to be a limitless resources

476
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,239
Speaker 2: courtesy of the Stones. On the other hand, consider as

477
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 2: hotel destructo act achieved via unlimited hutzpah and drugs, also

478
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: courtesy of the Stones. Comparing the SEP tour to a

479
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: cult may sound ill advised, but consider for a moment,

480
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 2: the charismatic and eccentric leaders who demanded loyalty, the copious

481
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: drug use and exhaustion that wears down a person's individuality

482
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: and ability to think rationally, plus the ever increasing isolation

483
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: from friends and family outside the tour, not to mention

484
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 2: everyday reality in general. In such a situation, every STP

485
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 2: badge wearer becomes a fellow soldier in the cause. Allegiance

486
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: to the tour supersedes all human and ethnic ties. What

487
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: does that sound like to you?

488
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 8: I mean, when you're on the road, your fears have

489
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 8: any special sort of states? I mean, you're I mean,

490
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 8: you know what it say is that you know whoever's

491
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 8: in the cruit it's on tour. You're not connected to

492
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 8: the real worlder too, and so everything has a different

493
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 8: kind of value and a different meaning.

494
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 5: You you don't know where you are, you lose contact.

495
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 3: We were so insular.

496
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 5: You have to be all in, and Gary was and

497
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 5: so was I. You don't do anything else? But where

498
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 5: are we going? How are you?

499
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 4: What's happening now?

500
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 2: Hey? Great?

501
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 5: What's going? There's no other reality. You're also constantly in

502
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 5: a moment. You've got nothing else. It's whatever you're doing.

503
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: For those not in the band, the STP tour was

504
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: a day pass into another world, and the rapid adjustment

505
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: to this accelerated lifestyle was damaging to the body, mind

506
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: and soul. Tour manager Peter Rudge, widely hailed as the

507
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: resident response ball Dalton the Room, while on the road,

508
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: was one of the few to escape the tour relatively unscathed,

509
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: Dubbed the field Marshal among the anarchists by no less

510
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: an authority than Keith Richards, Rudge would share a telling

511
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: observation the Robert Greenfield. So many people with the stones

512
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: get emotionally involved, he said, they want to hang out

513
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: and be with them. I found out right away about

514
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: the power they have to completely eat people up. Because

515
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: this business is a drug. I saw what it did

516
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: to people on the tour. He may have been thinking

517
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: about Gary Stromberg.

518
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 6: I tried to party with them, so I'd stay up

519
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 6: all night and then I'd have to work the during

520
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 6: the day, so I didn't get any sleep.

521
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 3: I mean it cost me a lot. I mean I

522
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 3: had enough. I think weighed one hundred and twenty pounds

523
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 3: when I finished.

524
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 6: I lost a lot of weight because I didn't you know,

525
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 6: wasn't eating, wasn't sleeping. I was a mess.

526
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 5: It's been a moment of insight for me for Gary

527
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 5: to say that, you know, he became a rolling Stone

528
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 5: on the tour. See, that was Gary's first time around,

529
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 5: first hit. So I had been on that English tour.

530
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 5: I really saw that if you got too close, you

531
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 5: caught fire. You could not be keith, you could not

532
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 5: be med. So I never I'm alive today in talking

533
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 5: because I never tried to be one of the boys

534
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 5: or girls or boys and girls.

535
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 4: I was always working.

536
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 5: I was there to write a series of articles for

537
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 5: Rolling Stone, and so I don't know, they respected me.

538
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 5: They never forced me to get high. And I got

539
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 5: high with Gary because he was my friend on the tour,

540
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 5: and Gary and I and Chris O'Dell were very close

541
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 5: on the tour. We hung together, so I didn't have

542
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 5: to protect my image and what's left of my reputation.

543
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 5: I did not have an active social life on that tour.

544
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 5: I wasn't engaged with anybody. I didn't have any relationships

545
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 5: with a woman. And Gary understands this is like the

546
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 5: craziness was so prevalent, constant, and involving, and I was

547
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 5: outside reporting because there was street action going on. So

548
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 5: you know, I didn't come off the tour needing to

549
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 5: go into rehab at all, because I was always more

550
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 5: moderate than they were.

551
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 3: And moderate wasn't a word that you'd used to describe me. Unfortunately,

552
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 3: I wish it was.

553
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: Robert Greenfield confronted Keith Richards about the health of his

554
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: friends Gary Stromberg and Chris O'Dell, both of whom had

555
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 2: gotten caught in the crossfire hurricane of the STP chaos. Keith,

556
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: for his part, generally seemed oblivious this way of living.

557
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 2: It always worked for him.

558
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 10: Still, you must have seen a lot of people, I mean,

559
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 10: get into too us and get crazy from it. I mean,

560
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 10: people you know, get really involved.

561
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it deserves to get crazy for people

562
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 7: you know, I didn't see any home in Shruman completely getting.

563
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 9: Crazy for a week or two after hectics. So what

564
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 9: I mean I think destroyed?

565
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 10: Well, I mean well, I mean more somebody like Gary

566
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 10: Stromberg or Chris you know who. I think Chris certainly

567
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 10: almost good destruction.

568
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 2: Showtime often came as a relief, both a desperate break

569
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: from the tedium and a form of psychic anchor. For

570
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 2: guitarist Mick Taylor. It kept the whole tour venture from

571
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: drifting into complete insanity.

572
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 13: Well, it is a bit unnatural, really acceptable, once you

573
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 13: get up on stage and stop playing a conversation.

574
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 9: There that you want, so that's why you're doing it.

575
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 9: Who leads up to that moment when you're actually.

576
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 13: Going stage to play for an audience.

577
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: Some nights it was as though they brought Keith to

578
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: the hall in a cage and his hour and a

579
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: half on stage was the only freedom he was going

580
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 2: to get. He was dangerous and unpredictable, which made him

581
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: exciting to watch. Unlike Jagger, who had a never ending

582
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 2: bag of stage tricks that could get a crowd on

583
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: its feet, Keith was right there all the time, playing

584
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 2: for his life. He possessed none of Jagger's aesthetic distance.

585
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 2: It was never a performance for him. Keith was always

586
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: putting out all he was worth doing the best he knew.

587
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: How at that moment, one bit of Jagger's stage business

588
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: provided a target for the pre eminent prankster of the tour, Chipmunk.

589
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 2: He'd begun hiding little surprises in the bowl of rose

590
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 2: petals mixed scatters on the audience at the end of

591
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: the band's Street Fighting Man finale, and had started relatively

592
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 2: small with a chicken leg in Detroit. Then it escalated

593
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: to a great hunk of raw liver a few days later,

594
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 2: which Mick unknowingly hurled into the audience. A kid on

595
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 2: the receiving end returned the favor by hurling it back.

596
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: For the next gig, Chip graduated to a full pigs foot,

597
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 2: complete with hoof and knuckle. Mercifully, Jagger had gotten wise

598
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 2: to his tricks and combed through the bowl before showtime,

599
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: thus preventing some kid from going home with a welt

600
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 2: on his forehead and being forced to tell his mother,

601
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, Mick Jagger hit me in the head

602
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 2: with a pig's foot. The SCV tour got crazy, but

603
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: thankfully not that crazy. A major rock star sits in

604
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 2: a car in the parking lot outside the Stones Hotel,

605
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 2: compulsively fondling his hunting knife as he works himself into

606
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: an angry lather. There's a cat in this hotel who's

607
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: going to get himself a blade, he rasped in a

608
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 2: voice Horse from Cocaine and mat cat is Keith Richards.

609
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 2: This serious rock dude is being deathly serious. In some circles,

610
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: his penchant for knife play rivaled his reputation as one

611
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: of the better singer songwriters of his time. But too

612
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 2: much time on the road, too much time in the studio,

613
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: way too much coke, and generally too much time wallowing

614
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: in rock and roll madness had led him deeper and

615
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 2: deeper into his own special hole. Carry's an expensive hunting

616
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: knife around with him, one that's been pulled so often

617
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: and flashed so many times that the blade comes out

618
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: with a snap of his wrist like a cheap switchblade.

619
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: He also owned a sword that he liked to swing

620
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 2: back and forth across hotel rooms in samurai fashion, getting

621
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: it nearer and nearer to someone's head, watching for their

622
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: reaction as they silently prayed that he wasn't too wasted

623
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: and wouldn't slip. Despite his fame, the rock Star become

624
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: an object of pity among those in the scene. Music

625
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: biz figures would greet each other with reports of his condition,

626
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 2: and always it was the same sad story. Not much longer, Man,

627
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 2: he's really gone. This time I hear he's strung out.

628
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 2: The rock Star was a tightrope walker, balanced on a

629
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 2: high wire, with the crowd below watching, breathless, waiting for

630
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: the fall. And it's a damn shame. They tutted itself righteously.

631
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: Though his name is being withheld to protect the guilty,

632
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 2: rest assured that the rock Star is a brilliant musician,

633
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 2: a singer of beauty harmonies, composer of cherished generation defining hits,

634
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: and the guiding light between two foundational bands, one of

635
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: which bears his name. All what the hell it's Stephen

636
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 2: Stills of Crosby, Stills, Nash and sometimes Young Stills has

637
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: just been asked to leave Keith Richard's room, an impressive

638
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 2: feet considering the company Keith kept. Despite the security arrangements,

639
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 2: Keith's room was party headquarters. Occasionally, people no one had

640
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 2: ever seen before could be found sitting on his bed,

641
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: trying on his boots once or twice they walked away

642
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 2: in them, but Stills had found the hospitality lacking. He

643
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 2: walked in with his hat over his eyes and his

644
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 2: nostrils flaring, expecting them to be filled. Keith took offense

645
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 2: to this sense of entuttement, and after some harsh words,

646
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 2: Stills was told to get out, which is how he

647
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: came to be sitting in a parking lot, hunched over

648
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: and mumbling and fantasying about stabbing him. Keith explaining the

649
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: altercation soon after to Robert Greenfield. Here he is courtesy

650
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: of our friends at the Northwestern University Archives.

651
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 14: He came on as usual, He became on his usual act,

652
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 14: you know, but I just wasn't up to sort of

653
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 14: accommodating it that particular moment, and I just.

654
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 7: Thought he'd been rather greedy and rude and selfishness.

655
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 9: I must say, it's the first time I've had occasion

656
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 9: to be rude.

657
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 7: To another musician for a long time, you know. And

658
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 7: when I was in that mood, I didn't think I

659
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 7: was being rude to another musician. I was just been

660
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 7: rude to somebody who's been rude to me, though, you know,

661
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 7: I just took it for granted that.

662
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 9: You could walk in my room with.

663
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 7: His nostrils flaring and his hat over his eyes and

664
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 7: wait for me to philly his nostrils up, you know.

665
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 7: And so I just told him that, You know.

666
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 2: Rock and roll is an easy business to lose your

667
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: mind in or lose your life in. If you had

668
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 2: a lot of luck and a little talent, there were

669
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: people who'd see to it that you got whatever you

670
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 2: needed to keep working. Often this was drugs. It's been

671
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: established that drugs was the rate of exchange in rock

672
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: Circles Circle nineteen seventy two. Any place you found music

673
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 2: being made, you'd find people getting high. On tour, whatever

674
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: you want is available. The stones private physician saw of

675
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,959
Speaker 2: that five bottles of dematol and a bottle of five

676
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: hundred quelus are run through rapidly, So it was a

677
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 2: quart sized jar of cocaine. This is a little concern

678
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: because more is easily obtainable. Plus most on the tour

679
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 2: brought their own. Gary Stromberg is a rather novel storage device.

680
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 5: Tell me if you remember you kept your coke in

681
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 5: a prophylactic in a rubber and I'm sure that you

682
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 5: would swing it back and you'd have like a half

683
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 5: ounce of coke, you know, and I'm smart.

684
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: Cocaine was the gold standard of drugs in the s community.

685
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: There were nights when they laid out five hundred dollars

686
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 2: worth on a mirror in one long four foot line.

687
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: Out At restaurants, people brazenly began passing butterplates filled with

688
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 2: white powder, the theory being that if you do it

689
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 2: with enough style and flare, it's possible to snort anything

690
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: without anyone taking undue notice. It's easy to feel invincible

691
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 2: on tour with the stones, especially after the cocaine. According

692
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: to Bobby Keys, even the cops were indulging them.

693
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 9: There was this one instance.

694
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 12: Man, we're a cat through a joint up on stage

695
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 12: and hit me and bound off down, rolled off down

696
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 12: towards through the stage.

697
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 9: Racked by this cop.

698
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 12: The cop looks at the joint, picks it up, looks

699
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 12: at me, pulls it up and goes, you know, like

700
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 12: you make emotion. Do you want it?

701
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 9: And I go, you know. They tossed it up to me.

702
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 12: And I thought, well, I'll kind o do I take it?

703
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 9: Is he trying to set me up for a fight? Right.

704
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 9: I mean he gave it to me. But who's gonna

705
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 9: believe that that's beautiful?

706
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: But I took it. That's Basicallyarene. Has he sent me up?

707
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 9: What's he doing with you?

708
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 2: I took. The most promising new substance being abused was

709
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: able nitrate, or amy's to the initiated. Initially used to

710
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 2: treat severe pain caused by heart attacks, they'd since been

711
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 2: embraced for happier purposes, specifically pleasure enhancement during sexual encounters

712
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 2: and also general amusement. Known as snappers on the East

713
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: coast and paupers in the West, Their characteristic burnt odor

714
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: surges up the nasal cavities like a flash fire and

715
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: a wheat silo, setting the heart pounding and the brain rushing.

716
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: Amy's are so noxious, carbolic, and obviously chemical that no

717
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: one had thought to use them in any great quantity

718
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: until the stp Tour, that is, when they were embraced

719
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 2: with an evangelical fervor.

720
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 5: Well talk about Steve Adeo here, that's great human beings.

721
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 5: You know who that ismore?

722
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 6: It was the trumpet player for Stevie. So Steve ingratiated

723
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 6: himself with Jim Price and bobby keys, especially as air

724
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 6: horn players, and so he hung out with the guys

725
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 6: on the stones. So we were in a limo going

726
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 6: from the airport to in some city I don't even remember,

727
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 6: but Steve loved amal nitrates and what he would do

728
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 6: was he would pop it and drop it into a

729
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 6: cigarette packet and then you could just sniff it in

730
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 6: the cigarette package without the the fumes escaping. And so

731
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 6: we were sitting in the back of the limo and

732
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 6: Amo nitrates, as you know, it's a very powerful, uh hallucinogen.

733
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 6: And so he popped this amy in the back of

734
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 6: the seat and passed it among those three or four

735
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 6: of us in there, and then he leaned over the

736
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 6: front of the over the front seat and he said

737
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,479
Speaker 6: to the driver, smell this. I think there's something wrong

738
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 6: with my cigarettes. And the driver sniffed the able nitrate.

739
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 6: And we're in like downtown New York and he's sniffing

740
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 6: an amal nitrate and now it hits him and he's going.

741
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 3: Whoa, whoa.

742
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 6: He's screaming whoa, and he's swerving back and forth because

743
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 6: he's lost control of himself. In there in the backseat,

744
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 6: laughing their asses off. We could have easily got killed.

745
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 6: But Dale thought this was so funny and he would

746
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 6: do that to That was his thing was he would

747
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 6: pop an amy in a cigarette thing and then ask

748
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 6: you to smell it, and then just watch how you

749
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 6: reacted to it.

750
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 4: This is worth discussing.

751
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 6: It's called a felony, by the way, if you're getting

752
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 6: arrested for that.

753
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: Even Keith Richers was taken aback by the prevalence of

754
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 2: Amy's and the relish with which they were consumed.

755
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 7: I didn't really there's a sudden rebath the interest in nightrate.

756
00:43:58,560 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: The sun would leave.

757
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 9: There were so many of those. These people didn't know

758
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 9: what to do, you know. I mean dropping him has

759
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 9: always been, you know, and it's a matter of dough

760
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 9: everybody feeling you've got to use it, cracking and bucks

761
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 9: and bucks.

762
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 5: I mean they were doing Amy's on stage, there were songs,

763
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 5: breaking them on stage, handing them to people on the

764
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 5: side of this must have been through the doctor.

765
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 3: How they got them, Yeah, because no one I had.

766
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 5: Never heard of it, you know, I was in the culture.

767
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 5: Nobody was doing amal nitrate at that point.

768
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 2: By the way.

769
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 6: That's how we got away with this stuff too, because

770
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 6: the doctor would hold the drugs and doctors were not

771
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 6: searched at them, so they wouldn't search the doctors.

772
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 3: He has a little like bag medicine bag.

773
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 2: Though we didn't have a medical degree, Keith Richards could

774
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 2: draw on knowledge that you can't get from books. He

775
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 2: quickly became the STP. Creuse unofficial pharmacist. It's a great

776
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 2: delight pawing through the doctor's little black bag.

777
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 5: He knew the PDR pharmaceutical director. He knew Keith knew everything,

778
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,959
Speaker 5: and he was looking for what the special was that night.

779
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 5: You know, what do I feel like having? You know,

780
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,919
Speaker 5: so casually taking all the time in the world. You're

781
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 5: very interested taking out, you know, syringes and packets and ampuols.

782
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 2: Keith was an indulgent pharmacist. It's not unusual for some

783
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: member of the STP homourage, or even just some Stone

784
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: local got the invite to mosey up to Keith at

785
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 2: one of his hotel room parties. Listen, man, I'm dying.

786
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 2: I gotta sign his congestion. You got any APC APC.

787
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 2: What's that advil? Man? My head's killing me. It's throbbing

788
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 2: like hell. Keith plunges into the doctor's bag and produces

789
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 2: a quaylude. Take one of these and come see me tomorrow.

790
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: He says. This may sound irresponsible, but it beats the alternative.

791
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: Some revelers who commenteered the doctor's bag were less likely

792
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 2: to select pills for their function, and more because the

793
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: color matched their shirt or brought out their eyes. For

794
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: Keith Richards, every drug was medicinal. Each provided the crucial

795
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: function of relieving the boredom.

796
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 5: The drug use is not an accident. It's a way

797
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 5: to keep moving and the way to keep functioning, and

798
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 5: a way to cope with the boredom. If that makes

799
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 5: any sense. It makes it harder. I mean what Keith

800
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 5: said to me once in that interview. You know, the

801
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 5: first time you do something, it's always good. It works,

802
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 5: and then it stops working. Didn't keep him from doing

803
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 5: it over and over. But what used to be vices

804
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 5: our habits, it becomes a habit, you.

805
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 4: Know what I mean.

806
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 5: It's just maintenance. They're just doing it on a level

807
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 5: that keeps them in the groove and not thinking about

808
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 5: anything else.

809
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 4: That's what it is.

810
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 2: This was the way generations of musicians had coped with

811
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: the road getting as high as possible and just going

812
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 2: for it. Whatever the consequences, you accept them. Just focus

813
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: on the music. As long as that's where your energy is,

814
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: you're safe. This has been the unspoken credo of so

815
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 2: many road warriors since the very recent birth of rock

816
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 2: and roll. It marked its adherence as junkie outlaws scum

817
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: in the eyes of many. Of all the Stones, Keith

818
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 2: had best accepted that particular role. No matter how often

819
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: the Stones were hosted by Hugh Hefner or courted by

820
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 2: Truman Capoti, the fundamental outlaw in his personality remained. But

821
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 2: even he felt the need to take certain precautions when

822
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 2: using no sense, making life more difficult. After all, this

823
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: innate sense of self preservation was shared by all the Stones,

824
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 2: no matter how space they got.

825
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 5: In order to know what they were doing, you had

826
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 5: to be in the room using with them. And that's

827
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 5: the way it always was. They had lived on the

828
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 5: road for so long and this is part of their

829
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 5: persona that even in the public eye, knew how to

830
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 5: protect themselves and keep thinking secret on the tour, which

831
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 5: is such a small, insidious village. Yeah, they were geniuses.

832
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 5: To Mick and Keith both they had been on the

833
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 5: road already so long at that point that they knew

834
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 5: how to live among other people without those people ever

835
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 5: going past a certain point. Jagger not he didn't share

836
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 5: as his living quarters with anybody but the woman he

837
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 5: was with. Keith always had a circus, but he still

838
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 5: had a place where you didn't go unless you were

839
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,439
Speaker 5: in the center ring with him.

840
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's who he was.

841
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 2: A side effect of this built in insulation is that

842
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 2: it inadvertently split the band into separate social groups loosely

843
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: defined as those who used and those who didn't, or

844
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 2: more approperly, those who used and those who used. Less.

845
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 2: Separate power centers and clicks began to emerge. There's the

846
00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 2: tour management squad, the documentary film crew, the musicians and

847
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 2: to her second tier Stones, and of course the inner

848
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: circle ruled by dual regions Mick and Keith. Slowly Developing

849
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 2: since their earliest days of the tour, these groups have

850
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 2: codified into their own distinct duchies and diplomatic relations weren't

851
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 2: always maintained. As the STP caravan moves through the dog

852
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 2: days of July with nothing very exciting going on, the

853
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 2: tension within the traveling company begins to build. An internal

854
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 2: storm is brewing. Last time The Stones toured America in

855
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty nine, all the chaos came from outside the organization,

856
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 2: creating an US versus them dynamic that ultimately brought everyone together.

857
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 2: Now everything was going smoothly, too smoothly. It's like a

858
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 2: peaceful mountain lake that's so calm that it gets on

859
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 2: your nerves, so placid that it makes you want to

860
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 2: pick up the nearest, biggest rock and fling it as

861
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 2: hard as you can, just to make some waves. The

862
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: rock was finally thrown during the tour's stop in Indiana Apolis,

863
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 2: when STP security chief big Leroy Leonard beat up a

864
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 2: friend of Keith Richards, thus setting off the tour equivalent

865
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 2: of an international incident. The unfortunate man's name was Brad,

866
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 2: and you could argue that he had it coming. Even

867
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 2: the most debauched members of the tour. Coderi had recognized

868
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 2: that this pale and wasted figure, compulsively clad in a

869
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 2: black cape, was an influence that the tour didn't need.

870
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 2: They wanted him gone. He was a user, a hustler,

871
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 2: an unlikable sponge with no function. The request for his

872
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 2: removal would get passed up to Keith, who would veto

873
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: it immediately. I'm paying for him. He's my friend and

874
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 2: I need him, so he stand, so Brad stay. But

875
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 2: then Brad pushed his luck a little too far. The

876
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 2: stp crew gradually noticed a small group of dealers shadowing

877
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 2: them at each tour stop. They always registered in the

878
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 2: same hotel as the Stones and brazenly walked around as

879
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 2: though they were part of the entourage. It's not impossible

880
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 2: and know of the band's going next, but it is

881
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 2: difficult to catch the correct hotel in every city. Clearly,

882
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 2: someone on the inside is tipping them off with the

883
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 2: itinerary being fed to them. They're getting to the cities

884
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 2: early and dealing in the streets outside the venue. By

885
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 2: staying as close to the Stones as possible, they get

886
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 2: to share in whatever police protection had been laid out,

887
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 2: and they've already made thousands of dollars by selling incense

888
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: to kids by telling them it's opium. They openly brag

889
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: about the scam to Keith Richards, who briefly graces them

890
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,399
Speaker 2: with his presence before recognizing them for what they were,

891
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 2: petty crooks who lack even the dignity of outlaws. If

892
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: you're going to deal deal, if you're going to rip

893
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 2: people off, you're on your own.

894
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 10: You met those cats, well, tell me about that.

895
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 9: I mean they're selling incense.

896
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 7: Innocense, incenseanspium incense, and they were selling it.

897
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 9: As opium and it brove you prices and they bragged

898
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 9: about it. Yeah foriguring that, you would say, prove right, fantastic,

899
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 9: you know what a beautiful ripoff?

900
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 2: Who how many of them were a three year.

901
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 7: There were four or five out in the road, and

902
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 7: there must have been somebody else in New Yorker somewhere

903
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 7: that was directing the whole thing, you know, supploying them

904
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 7: because they you know, close to us as possible sleep

905
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 7: to be a mistaken tron party. Yeah, so that they

906
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 7: could walk in an outloud and uh.

907
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 10: So somebody was taking them where you were going and

908
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 10: so sure.

909
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 7: If somebody had in my itinery and uh a complete mycenery.

910
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 10: You know, how would you come to meet them?

911
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 9: Did you?

912
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 10: Did somebody take you to meet up?

913
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 2: Or you knew about some inteligen.

914
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 7: We noticed them around and like city is a long

915
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 7: way from where we'd seen them before, you know, I

916
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 7: mean they had to be there for some reason, and

917
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 7: then some roundabout where we found out they were dealing,

918
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 7: but we didn't. I mean, you thought they were dealing straight,

919
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 7: the straight dealers, you know.

920
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 9: It so to see if.

921
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 7: We can make a dealer out for some kind you know.

922
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 7: She says, they were taking our protection to do it,

923
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 7: you know, And then we found out what they were

924
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 7: really obviou we told them to go, you know, and

925
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 7: not to come back.

926
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 2: It occurs to Brad that these young dealers are no

927
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: longer under anyone's protection. They're defenseless and stp land. Either

928
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 2: in a genuine effort to persuade them to move on

929
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 2: or merely an effort to line his own pockets, Brad

930
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 2: gets some of the larger men in the SDP crew together,

931
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 2: then he heads down to the dealer's room and starts

932
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 2: demanding money. It's an old fashioned New York City shakedown.

933
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 2: Word of it quickly spreads throughout the tour of Grapevine.

934
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 2: The story isn't flattering. Some guy in the caravan shaking

935
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 2: down dealers with a Stone's security as muscle. It's a

936
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 2: bad look. If these kids go to the authorities. Everyone's

937
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 2: in trouble, and for no reason. Since the Stones personally

938
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 2: have nothing to do with this. The tour has been compromised.

939
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 2: The Stones are now vulnerable, and it's Brad's fault. He's

940
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 2: gonna have to go now. The question is how to

941
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 2: do it. Throw a sheet over Brad's head comes one suggestion.

942
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 2: Tie him up and leave him in his room with

943
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 2: a do not disturb sign on the door. He'll die

944
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 2: in the room, he'll suffocate. Well, we'll call from Detroit

945
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 2: and tell him to let him go. That's no good,

946
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 2: but something must be done and fast. Keith will be

947
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 2: a problem. No one must to face him when he

948
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 2: finds out they've thrown a friend to his off the tour.

949
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 2: Maybe the dirty business can be done while he's on stage,

950
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: but it has to be done. It's imperative. Brad is

951
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,720
Speaker 2: summoned to visit the room of security Chief Big Leroy Leonard.

952
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 2: Brad's now a security threat, and Big Leroy deals with

953
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 2: him accordingly. He rolls him onto the bed and presses

954
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 2: a pistol to his forehead. If you scream, I'll blow

955
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 2: your brains out, he growls. Then Leroy begins beating him,

956
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 2: pounding heavy punches into the bones of his torso so

957
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 2: the Black and blue marks begin welling up immediately. Each

958
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 2: blow lands with a sickening, wet squash of fist against tissue.

959
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 2: All the punches to the chest and ribs so that

960
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 2: it hurts to walk and breathe, but nothing shows headlonging

961
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,720
Speaker 2: the one side, spittle dripping slowly out of one corner

962
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 2: of his mouth. Brad gags for breath and begs no more,

963
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 2: no more, Please you leave this tour. Comes the reply,

964
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 2: you leave it now, you hear me.

965
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 15: You've been hanging on too long, and when you leave

966
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 15: you don't know my name, but you leave now, Brad does.

967
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: It doesn't take long for Keith to discover that his

968
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 2: friend is missing. Predictably, he hits the roof. He eventually

969
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 2: tracks Brad down to an airport and urges him back.

970
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 2: Then he learns at his brutal beating. This sends Keith

971
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 2: into a full scale rage. He's sick of the STP

972
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 2: crew buying things, doing things, saying things, all supposedly in

973
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 2: his name.

974
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 9: It's a weird feeling, you know. I mean. The classic

975
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 9: one is what Leroy did.

976
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 10: To Brad, you know, perfect care of him, perfectly.

977
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 9: Without asking me whether I needed taken care of you. Know,

978
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 9: and it's kind of.

979
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 8: Hang out to be treated sort of like I mean,

980
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 8: bench Charles or something, you know what I mean, That

981
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 8: kind of.

982
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 9: Assad is if they know better what's for me than

983
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 9: I do.

984
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 2: You know, though Brad wasn't exactly popular in the STP

985
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 2: ranks and his shakedown of those poor, stupid drug scammeras

986
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 2: was reprehensible. No one wanted him to meet this kind

987
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 2: of faith and many in the organization were horrified. Brad

988
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 2: won't squeal on who rolled them, a rare display of character.

989
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,399
Speaker 2: Many assume it was big Leroy Leonard, but he won't

990
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 2: cop to it either. All Keith wants is to know

991
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 2: who did it and why, But all he gets are

992
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 2: empty stairs and people saying they don't have time to

993
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 2: talk to him. He gets madder by the minute. Brad

994
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 2: may have made some poor choices, sure, but this was

995
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 2: pure savagery right.

996
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 7: Well, absolutely misjudged the situation and he paid for it,

997
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 7: you know, he misjudged LeRoy's attitude to what.

998
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 9: He was doing and he is and he paid for

999
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 9: it in a hard way, you know.

1000
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 7: I mean, Leo did a real professional job on it,

1001
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 7: and he couldn't see a mark unless the guy took

1002
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 7: his shirt up.

1003
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 9: I mean, it was just black and blue.

1004
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 7: I went crazy because nobody would fucking admit to doing

1005
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 7: it and saying it, even though there were a couple

1006
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 7: of people that knew about it, you know. I mean,

1007
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 7: if I have a friend of mine gets beaten up,

1008
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 7: you know, next door to me, and the cat that

1009
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 7: did it, I won't even say why he did it,

1010
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 7: although even that he did it, you know, it's very frustrating,

1011
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 7: you know, especially maybe my own temporism, particularly loan that

1012
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 7: far into it for you know, I mean, I just

1013
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 7: wanted to know who'd done it and why they done it.

1014
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 7: And when I just came up across this sort of

1015
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 7: blank look, you know, I've flipped out, you know, total

1016
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 7: just fucking childish, you know, I mean, if he did it,

1017
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 7: I wanted to know the reason for why I've done it,

1018
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 7: instead of giving me some bullshit after the show that

1019
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 7: he thought it might affect my performance too.

1020
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 9: God Dumn.

1021
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, the rest of the band don't know what to think.

1022
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 2: They know the way that Keith lives and the people

1023
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 2: who surround them at all times. With this in mind,

1024
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 2: there's no way of knowing what really happened. Many approached

1025
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 2: Leroy for an explanation, but he's playing it the only

1026
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 2: way that someone who's come up from the streets can.

1027
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 2: He stares straight ahead, not speaking, totally denying all charges

1028
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 2: with his face and body as well as with his eyes.

1029
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 2: For the first time, the STP party has to police itself.

1030
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 2: A meeting is held to determine the precise nature of

1031
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 2: the crime. The punishment was obvious tour banishment. The STP

1032
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 2: management are all in attendance, as well as Mick, Keith,

1033
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 2: Brad and Big Leroy Leonard. It is in essence a

1034
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 2: hearing with Mick Jagger as both the grand inquisitor and

1035
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 2: the presiding judge.

1036
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, like a Colt case. It was. It was

1037
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 9: a trial.

1038
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 13: It was like a trial and it got the truth

1039
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 13: out because we said we're not leaving the room to

1040
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 13: we know the truth, and if we don't know the truth,

1041
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 13: then everybody that was concerned in Italy, Rose Brad, anybody

1042
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 13: else was involved in whoever else would be fined irrespective.

1043
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 2: Like a courtroom. Robert Frank's documentary crew is barred from filming,

1044
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 2: but Frank attends anyway. I see has a vested interest

1045
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 2: in the case. Brad's sole legitimate function on the tour

1046
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 2: was to occasionally lend a hand on the documentary choot.

1047
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 2: This technically placed him in the documentary clique, of which

1048
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 2: Frank was the figurehead. The filmmaker was horrified that one

1049
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 2: of his own was so mistreated.

1050
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 9: Jagger had to take command.

1051
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 11: I mean, now it was up to the to the

1052
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 11: big man to make a decision.

1053
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 9: He handled it terrific. I mean, he was very good.

1054
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 13: But the guy that was really held us all in

1055
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 13: his hand was Leroy sitting there, you know.

1056
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 9: Because he knew the truth, and he wouldn't wouldn't. Well,

1057
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 9: he was just more powerful. He was He was more

1058
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 9: powerful than Jagger.

1059
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 11: He was more powerful than anybody because everybody was scared

1060
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 11: of him, scared physically and just there with this guy,

1061
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 11: and he could do whatever he wanted to.

1062
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 2: It's incredible that he.

1063
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 9: Wouldn't admit what he did. I mean through the whole plane, well,

1064
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 9: the whole thing. The then sentence only on begging Leroy

1065
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 9: just to.

1066
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 11: Say I did it. Yeah, So you've been a bad boy.

1067
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 11: You know, you understand you've been a bad boy. Please,

1068
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 11: and and then Jesus Christ.

1069
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 2: Then finally Leroy speaks. My job is to keep you

1070
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 2: out of trouble. So I'll say it and make you happy.

1071
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 2: I whipped the boy. I'm not proud of it, but

1072
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 2: it had to be done. This man was shaking people

1073
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 2: down in your name. You put it in my hands,

1074
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 2: and I did what needed to be done there. It

1075
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 2: was a confession without remorse or guilt. It stops everyone cold.

1076
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 2: It's so outfront that people start to think, well, he

1077
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 2: was only doing his job. And since no one much

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Speaker 2: liked Brad anyway, it's easy to forget that he'd been

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Speaker 2: beaten black and blue. Why punish a man for acting

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01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 2: on an impulse that was in a lot of people's heads.

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Speaker 2: Let Leroy stay. Even Keith, supposedly Brad's friend, had to

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Speaker 2: agree with the court's findings.

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Speaker 7: I mean, nobody else really like brand and wanted him around,

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Speaker 7: and so everybody was sort of a Leroi's side, And

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Speaker 7: I didn't agree with what Leroy had actually done. Agree

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Speaker 7: that it's in any ordinary situation, it isn't unjust, But

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Speaker 7: it wasn't an ordinary situation. Well, everybody has to take

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Speaker 7: into account. Was that if we'd had just told Leroy

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Speaker 7: to go home becaz of us being suddenly had a

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Speaker 7: security countdown to just you know, uh in one minute.

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Speaker 7: If Leroy had gotten pissed off and mean about it,

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Speaker 7: he with his connections, you know.

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Speaker 9: He could have maybe have made it difficult for us

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Speaker 9: in other places.

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Speaker 10: You thought about that though.

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Speaker 2: Jagger orders Brad and Leroy to shake hands and the

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Speaker 2: meetings adjourned. But there are some dissenting notes. Robert Frank

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Speaker 2: and the rest of the film crew. Basically, the defense

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Speaker 2: in this courtroom drama are furious. They want Leroy thrown

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Speaker 2: off the tour in the wake of his confession. Was

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Speaker 2: Keith really going to allow his friend to get beaten

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Speaker 2: up without punishment? But then, while talking to Robert Greene

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Speaker 2: a short time later, Frank came to a crucial realization.

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Speaker 2: The Stones didn't have friends on the road. They had employees.

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01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 2: Your worth and the cults of STP was determined by

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01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 2: how well you did your job, not the kind of

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Speaker 2: person you were.

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Speaker 5: Dealer, he's a dope dealer, but he's Key's friend because

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Speaker 5: he's a dope dealer.

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Speaker 9: Well, well it comes down to that they have no friends.

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Speaker 11: I mean they were in that sense, there were no

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Speaker 11: friends on the tour. Everybody had his position, and I

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Speaker 11: think he failed in his position as a dope dealer.

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Speaker 9: He didn't do too well. He didn't do it right.

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Speaker 11: He made a mistake, so he was justified getting the

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Speaker 11: ship beaten out of it.

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Speaker 2: For Mick, it was about whatever was best for the tour.

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Speaker 2: Firing they had a security midway through their cross country

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Speaker 2: track just wasn't going to happen, especially when they were

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Speaker 2: due to play New York, the northeast hub of the

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Speaker 2: Hell's Angels.

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Speaker 10: So something were outraised. I mean, I did Robert Frank

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Speaker 10: particular or unjust think it happened.

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Speaker 9: The decision that was made was made to keep.

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Speaker 8: Them to a going you know, true, Well, it was

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Speaker 8: absolutely was, and I wasn't going to sacrifice anyone for that.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I mean, I wanted to keep the tour going.

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Speaker 12: I didn't want to you know, I mean, so it

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Speaker 12: wasn't interesting the justice of it.

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Speaker 2: This was justice stp style. It can be boiled down

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Speaker 2: to a single law, The show must go on. Road

1132
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 2: rules are cruel. At the end of the day. The

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Speaker 2: only people the Stones were really loyal to for themselves.

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01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 2: As far as Bill Wyman was concerned, outsiders were nothing

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Speaker 2: but trouble.

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Speaker 13: All the problems that ever arise with this band, always

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01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 13: arise from other people that shouldn't really be there. Always

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Speaker 13: We've always had those. We never had problems in the band.

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01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 13: We never thought amost ourselves. We I never have even

1140
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 13: an argument, you know, And that's why we stay together.

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01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 13: So long's we're still together.

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Speaker 1: The Stone's Touring Party is written and hosted by Jordan Runtalk,

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Speaker 1: a co executive produced by Noel Brown and Jordan Runtalk,

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Speaker 1: Edited and sound designed by Noel Brown and Michael Older June.

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Speaker 1: Original music composed and performed by Michael Older June and

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Speaker 1: Noel Brown, with additional instruments performed by Chris Suarez, Nick

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Speaker 1: Johns Cooper, and Josh Than. Vintage Rolling Stones audio courtesy

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Speaker 1: of the Robert Greenfield Archive at the Charles Deering McCormick

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Speaker 1: Library of Special Collections in Northwestern University Libraries.

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