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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 2: Thursday edition of The Play Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 2: kicks off right now. Everybody, Thank you for being here

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Speaker 2: with us. As always, just a little guest preview, Eric Hovedy,

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Speaker 2: who is running for a critical Senate seat in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: He'll be with us in the second hour of the program.

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Speaker 2: He's a businessman, a philanthropist, and I think he's got

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Speaker 2: a really good shot of taking on the Democrat incumbent.

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Speaker 2: We shall discuss that, and also a lot going on

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Speaker 2: with the economy right now. People are starting to feel

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Speaker 2: more and more not just the pinch of high prices,

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Speaker 2: but the reality and the anxiety of this isn't going

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Speaker 2: to change anytime soon. In fact, it's likely to get worse.

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Speaker 2: I think Biden's got some big problems on the economy,

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Speaker 2: even with all the games they're going to try to

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Speaker 2: play with Ray cuts and the rest of it. Certainly

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Speaker 2: something we'll get into battlefield Arizona. After that state Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court decision on an eighteen sixty four abortion law essentially

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Speaker 2: legally resurrected in the aftermath of Roe v. Wade, Democrats

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Speaker 2: are already trying to flood the airwaves with scare tactics there,

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Speaker 2: and they think Arizona is now trending in their direction.

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Speaker 2: We'll get back into that discussion and talk about it.

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Speaker 2: But the big, the big breaking news that has hit

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Speaker 2: all over the place in just the last hour or

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Speaker 2: so is that OJ Simpson. It's very interesting to see

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Speaker 2: how people are covering this given what happened. What he did?

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Speaker 2: You know, OJ Simpson? How are they going to describe

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Speaker 2: this fellow in the headlines depends on where you go.

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Speaker 2: He has passed away from cancer. So OJ Simpson is

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Speaker 2: dead and this is for a lot of people bringing

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Speaker 2: back a whole bunch of memories. I remember this play

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Speaker 2: as the OJ Trial. Was the first time I had

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Speaker 2: ever paid attention to way criminal trial. I think I

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Speaker 2: was in the seventh or eighth grade. I can't even

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Speaker 2: remember now. It was on all the time. It really

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Speaker 2: felt like, in a lot of ways, the beginning of

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Speaker 2: court TV as its own phenomenon or as a national obsession,

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Speaker 2: because it was the biggest thing for a while. I

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Speaker 2: remember watching live. I believe it was the Knicks against

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Speaker 2: the Houston Rockets. When I used to watch the NBA

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Speaker 2: and they cut from the game to show the White

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Speaker 2: Bronco the Ford Bronco chase on the Highway, And this

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Speaker 2: brings back a lot of a lot of memories for people,

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Speaker 2: and also a reminder of how toxic and evil race

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Speaker 2: politics can be, because this was the first time, certainly

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Speaker 2: in my lifetime, that I can remember somebody getting away

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Speaker 2: with something so incredibly heinous. Because essentially they said, this

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Speaker 2: is the argument that was made, was, well, there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of racism in this country, so let's just have

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Speaker 2: this as kind of a makeup call, if you will.

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Speaker 2: And two innocent people, one entirely unrelated to OJ in

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Speaker 2: any context whatsoever, a bystander effectively brutally murdered Clay. I

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Speaker 2: know you're on Fox talking about this, and it's going

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Speaker 2: to dominate the headlines. I think for a port of today.

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Speaker 2: It feels quite strange to me. You remember when Abu

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Speaker 2: Baker al bag Daddy died and the New York Times

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Speaker 2: described him as a austere religious scholar. Yes, I'm seeing

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Speaker 2: a little bit of that, and I know that he

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Speaker 2: just died, and we usually don't want to speak ill

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Speaker 2: of the dead is this thing that we have. But

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Speaker 2: people got upset about the austere religious scholar. Also the

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Speaker 2: psychopathic terrorist, murderer and rapist Abu Baka al Buk Dottie

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Speaker 2: being described that way OJ's legacy. When they talk about

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Speaker 2: OJ's legacy, I feel like they've got to lead into

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Speaker 2: what everybody knows.

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Speaker 1: Here or else. They're part of a rewriting of history.

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Speaker 1: I believe in forgiveness and redemption. OJ never asked for either.

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Speaker 1: He's a killer, I believe based on all the evidence,

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Speaker 1: and frankly, I think he should rot in hell. And

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Speaker 1: I don't feel any compunction or necessity to tiptoe up

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Speaker 1: to this. He never accepted responsibility for killing Nicole Brown

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Speaker 1: Simpson and Ronald Goldman, two innocent people. Buck he basically

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Speaker 1: identity politics as justification for anything. Because OJ Simpson got

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Speaker 1: on him arguing that America had a racist history and

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Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Police Department had a racist history. And

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Speaker 1: therefore he shouldn't be responsible for what happened. And in

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Speaker 1: fact that they framed him and the jury bought it,

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Speaker 1: I think to the eternal discredit of the jury. I

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Speaker 1: think OJ Simpson traded on true racism that I acknowledge

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Speaker 1: existed in the nineteen fifties and the nineteen sixties, innocent

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Speaker 1: OJ then decided I'm going to swing that back in

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Speaker 1: of my race. And I think it's a forerunner to

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Speaker 1: the modern identity politics culture that we've created today.

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Speaker 2: And Coulter had a line in one of her columns

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Speaker 2: for a while meant that the liberal white guilt bank

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Speaker 2: the same kinds of of you know, in treaties, arguments

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Speaker 2: based on racial politics and racial positioning, because there was

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what it was like in

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Speaker 2: your school. I remember this very clearly. In my school.

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Speaker 2: and a few of them. We all listened on their

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Speaker 2: The only time anything like this happened when I was

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Speaker 2: And I remember the school administrators didn't they everybody was

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Speaker 2: just show shocked by There was no punishment for this.

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Speaker 2: It is so grotesque that there was, finally, I think,

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Speaker 2: that this kind of thing cannot be allowed or cannot

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Speaker 2: be celebrated, cannot be allowed. I remember the uh you

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Speaker 2: mentioned this? You so you read the People Versus OJ.

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Speaker 1: So fabulous book, And if you are today to Jeffrey Tuban,

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Speaker 1: he's actually a really talented writer may may not be

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Speaker 1: able to avoid masturbating in front of female employees while

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Speaker 1: working at the New Yorker.

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Speaker 1: But he is a really talented writer, and it's a

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Speaker 1: great book. And if you want to go into the

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Speaker 1: specific details of that case, I know they turned into

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Speaker 2: So you and I can trade on this one because

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Speaker 2: I saw the show. I didn't read that book. I

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Speaker 2: Tuban on this The show was on FX. Cuba Gooding

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Speaker 2: Junior plays OJ. I thought the show was fantastic. Did

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Speaker 2: the show let me ask you this. The book, Tuban

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Speaker 1: Confident that OJ is guilty, and he lays it out

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Speaker 1: like the I don't know. The television show made that

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Speaker 1: the terrible things is that it was so early in

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Speaker 1: DNA analysis that they were able to report poke more

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Speaker 1: holes in DNA analysis just because it was a new tech.

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Speaker 1: People forget this. It was a new technology right.

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Speaker 2: Now, it would be even it was an open and

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Speaker 2: shutcase then, I mean now, it would be a complete

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Speaker 2: for all this. But I remember this, this was a

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Speaker 2: because I followed the trial. I was a young kid.

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Speaker 2: I told you what it was like when the verdicant no.

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Speaker 2: I remember feeling like it was a gut punch because

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Speaker 2: we're still America, and we don't want innocent people being killed,

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Speaker 2: no matter how imperfect this country is. We all agree,

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Speaker 2: and in that moment, it wasn't true. In that moment,

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Speaker 2: there was from some people, there was so much animosity

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Speaker 2: believed that this was planted the whole he was looking

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Speaker 2: for the real killers. Clay he wrote a book. He

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Speaker 2: was going to publish a book. If I did it,

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Speaker 2: here's how I did it. What innocent person in the

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Speaker 2: history of the universe would do such a thing. Obviously

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Speaker 2: we know you know it's not This should be no

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Speaker 2: around and talk about how, oh, he's innocent. But there's

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Speaker 2: a scene in The People Versus O. J. Simpson that

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Speaker 2: I thought was the most powerful scene of the whole

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Speaker 2: when Marcia Clark sits down with Ron Goldman's dad and

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Speaker 2: he's like everyone's talking about OJ and his ex wife

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Speaker 2: and the and the celebrity affair. He's like, my son

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Speaker 2: is an innocent guy, didn't do anything in this lunatic

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Speaker 1: high school. The fact that OJ had gotten off because

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Speaker 1: it had turned into a referendum on blackness in some way, OJ,

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Speaker 1: time on. OJ used to say all the time, I'm

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Speaker 1: not black, I'm OJ. OJ turned his back to a

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Speaker 1: And then the the the the wild thing about it

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Speaker 1: Johnny Cochrane comes in and look, the prosecutors did not

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We're reacting.

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Speaker 1: We'll take some of your calls maybe here at the

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Speaker 1: back half of this hour reacting to OJ Simpson. We

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Speaker 1: should also mention because a lot of people are forgetting this.

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Speaker 1: Oj went to prison. He was found civilly liable basically

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Speaker 2: One eight hundred two A two two eight eight two

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Speaker 3: Hey?

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you guys for taking my call. I'm

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Speaker 4: doing well, thank you. I'm a diehard Trump fan. I

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Speaker 4: so I was at that time. I was rooting for

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Speaker 4: he was. I kind of rejoice. But as I'm older now.

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Speaker 3: You have a ladder?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just kind of I was a football fan

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Speaker 4: now that I'm older, I'm sixty three, Now he did it,

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Speaker 5: So God have mercy on his own.

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Speaker 2: That's all I have in retrospect. You wish he had

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Speaker 5: But I think the DA was you know, like the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for the call. They actually, the evidence

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Speaker 1: They they gave him too much leniency, They gave him

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Speaker 1: encourage all of you to read that book to pee.

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Speaker 1: I think it's The People Versus O. J. Simpson by

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Tuban.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: It's a fabulously well written book.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Notwithstanding Tuban's other issues.

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Speaker 2: You don't need to keep We we all know Tuban had.

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Speaker 1: But I think if you, uh, I think, if you

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Speaker 1: It's certainly true. I think the cops were called to

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Speaker 2: Being used beating her up. He was a wife beater.

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Speaker 1: But okay, he served nine years in prison. Staff looked

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Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll take some more calls, but the evidence,

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Speaker 1: I don't begarte Johnny Cockran's job, and I've represented people

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Speaker 1: accused of now he's a lawyer.

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Speaker 2: He did what he had to do. But I'm just

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Speaker 2: saying people don't need to believe the nonsense, and unfortunately

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Speaker 2: some people believe the nonsense. I'm sorry, but if you

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Speaker 2: are accused of murdering the mother of your children, at

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Speaker 2: no point would an innocent person who is not deeply

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Speaker 2: mentally unwill and and is not evil would think about

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Speaker 2: writing a book about Look, if I killed the wife

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Speaker 2: and my if I did other of my children, this

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Speaker 2: is how I would have done it to get a

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Speaker 2: payday nobody. I'm sorry that put aside everything else. The

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Speaker 2: chance of you doing that, if you were really an

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Speaker 2: innocent person accused of murdering the mother of your children,

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Speaker 2: is zero. It's une percent. You wouldn't at zero that

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Speaker 2: you would do this.

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Speaker 1: Do you think there's any possibility that he confessed on

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Speaker 1: his deathbed that that.

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Speaker 2: I just thinking that, like, like in the last few minutes,

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think I think that he

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Speaker 2: is a malignant narcissist. I think that he created a

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Speaker 2: deluded reality for himself in which he had to believe

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Speaker 2: his own lie just so we could get out of

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Speaker 2: bed in the morning. And his brain probably I'm not

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Speaker 2: a psychiatrist, but I have read about this stuff. His

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Speaker 2: brain probably suppressed the memory and created some alternative, alternative

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Speaker 2: reality where he wasn't actually a vicious double murderer.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, can you imagine me and the kids your

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Speaker 1: dad chops your mom's head off.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think they probably believe he didn't do it.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's people people that the brain will do

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Speaker 2: very you know, trauma in the way it's processed. The

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Speaker 2: brain will do very you know powerful, sometimes in a

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Speaker 2: bad way. You would you would think two that I

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Speaker 2: just what I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, I'm just trying to work through all of this.

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Speaker 1: If if you were like, let's pretend that like he's

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Speaker 1: Richard kill the oj Vernick helped me me a conservative

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Speaker 1: by the way, I'm not even I hadn't even really

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Speaker 1: I told you about some other things early on. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I think as a thirteen year old seeing that

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Speaker 1: and seeing who are the good guys who are the

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Speaker 1: bad guys in this whole process, like who in the

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Speaker 1: media was taking his side and who was like no,

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Speaker 1: justice should be what is done here? And there was

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Speaker 1: a right left divide. I mean there was the sort

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Speaker 1: of you know, social justice democrat left was far more likely.

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Speaker 2: To be like, well, you can't really prove it a lot.

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Speaker 1: I think it would be even worse today because I

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Speaker 1: think there would be I don't remember there being a

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Speaker 1: lot of people on OJ's side again, like everybody have

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Speaker 1: been people who thought there was a reasonable The.

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Speaker 2: Way they did it in the clay was always you know,

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Speaker 2: it has to you know, beyond beyond a reasonable doubt,

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Speaker 2: beyond a reasonable doubt. You know, there was kind of

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Speaker 2: this mantra and people were saying that it's like you

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Speaker 2: they wanted was beyond an unreasonable doubt.

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Speaker 1: I think there would be people today that would say,

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Speaker 1: even if he did it, she deserved it, because this

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Speaker 1: is what racism drove him to. If this happened today,

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Speaker 1: there would be woke scholars, probably on tenure at Harvard

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Speaker 1: and other places that would say the total racism of

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Speaker 1: society caused OJ Simpson to snap, he's not responsible for

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Speaker 1: his disagree with you, even though as you say the words,

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Speaker 1: actually I actually feel like bile lifting up. I think

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Speaker 1: it would It would be worse today. I think this

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Speaker 1: trial would than it would then because I remember most

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Speaker 1: people saying this is a total miscarriage of justice. I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of people would say it's the right

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Speaker 1: verdict today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they were always relying on the and

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Speaker 2: again I'm going back when I was thirteen, but I

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Speaker 2: just remember it was always about process and anybody who

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Speaker 2: was making the case that the LAPD was racist in

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Speaker 2: the during the OJ trial was trying to carry you know,

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Speaker 2: carry water for the OJ defense, right. I mean that

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Speaker 2: was the whole. It was a total non Seculer had

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Speaker 2: nothing to do with anything.

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Speaker 1: And it totally has I would argue this was the

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Speaker 1: forerunner to you're not respond for what you do. Society

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Speaker 1: creates the situations that makes you not responsible for your

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Speaker 1: own individual actions.

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Speaker 2: Well, that was a view of criminal justice by the

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Speaker 2: by the radical left Democrats, stretching back to like the

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Speaker 2: weather underground days in nineteen sixty eight, and I mean

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Speaker 2: they it was always you know, society's fault. But okay,

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Speaker 2: see passion on this topic.

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Speaker 1: Still, isn't it amazing? Still runs high. This is because

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Speaker 1: everybody experienced it. I mean literally, I've bet everybody in

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Speaker 1: our audience. Yes, everybody, if you were you know, if

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Speaker 1: you were of age to remember, you know, so if

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Speaker 1: you were probably older than I don't know, five or

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Speaker 1: six years old, you remember what happened.

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Speaker 2: Oj Trial.

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Speaker 1: You're pointing about one hundred million, one hundred million people.

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Speaker 1: This is Jocanca watched the verdict and ninety five million

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Speaker 1: buck watched the White Bronco Chase.

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Speaker 2: But what what else in America in recent years has

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Speaker 2: gotten a hundred million viewers in just the Super Bowl?

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Speaker 2: Just the Super Bowl? Yeah? Yeah, wow. Well look I've

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Speaker 2: got every line lit. So we'll take some more of

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Speaker 2: your calls here on this, and then I promise we

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Speaker 2: will get to the economy, politics, Arizona, all of that.

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Speaker 1: of you reacting all over the place with people wanting

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Speaker 1: Simpson death is paramount. Right now, Let's take a few

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Speaker 2: at least.

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Speaker 1: At least believe that there should be sorry, there should

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Speaker 1: be justice, believe there should be just there shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: justice in the justice system. Not unfortunately believing in the

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Speaker 1: justice system. David in Kenna saw Georgia, what you got

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Speaker 1: for us?

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Speaker 7: Well, honestly believe that. I think of the Rodney King

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Speaker 7: verdict had a.

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Speaker 8: Lot to do with what happened with the O. J.

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Speaker 7: Simpson case.

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Speaker 2: Have right, that was the argument. But but but it

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Speaker 2: doesn't have anything to do with the O. J. Simpson case.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 8: That this is a well I disagree because Judge Edo,

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Speaker 8: the guys, the judge for the OJ Simpson case, that

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Speaker 8: city exploded and there were innocent people murdered in the streets,

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Speaker 8: and I think it had a lot to do with it.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you for the call. I think it opened

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Speaker 1: the door to Johnny Cochran using race as the defense

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Speaker 1: of O. J.

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Speaker 2: Simpson, Well, this was, but I mean one these two

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Speaker 2: things they're not doing is supposed to operate with what

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Speaker 2: happened to Rodney King is supposed to have zero influence

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Speaker 2: on the prosecutors, the judge, the jury. No one is

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Speaker 2: supposed to say, oh, well, there's this other case that

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Speaker 2: I don't like the verdict, this double murderer ago. Now,

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Speaker 2: to be fair to our caller, I didn't mean to

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Speaker 2: We didn't mean to cut them off there. What he's

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Speaker 2: saying is true, but the fact that it was true

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Speaker 2: was a grotesque miscarriage of justice. That's not the way

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Speaker 2: the system is supposed to work, or is set up

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Speaker 2: to work.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I'll also say, we're gonna get some

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Speaker 1: conspiracy theorists. Now, some conspiracies are true. The problem is,

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Speaker 1: once you believe one conspiracy, the odds of everything being

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Speaker 1: a conspiracy is low. And I have found that you'll

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Speaker 1: have a conversation with somebody they'll be like, hey, the

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Speaker 1: COVID shot doesn't do what it's supposed to do. You're like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what the evidence reflects. And then they're like, and

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Speaker 1: they also fake the moon landing and you're like, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, like at some point down the lot, you

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Speaker 1: can't always be a conspiracy guy. Frank in Texas, he's

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Speaker 1: a conspiracy guy. Frank, What you got the boy, Frank?

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Speaker 9: Well, I think that there was some evidence it wasn't

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Speaker 9: brought up. If you look at the early police reports.

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Speaker 9: When they first searched Nicole's apartment, they found cocaine that

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Speaker 9: was never brought up in trial.

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Speaker 1: Let me pause you for a moment. Here nineteen ninety

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Speaker 1: four in a rich person's house in La Brentwood, in Grillwood.

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Speaker 1: I think there were a lot of homes that had cocaine,

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Speaker 1: so like, I understand the reason they didn't allow it

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Speaker 1: to be brought up is because in general, it didn't

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Speaker 1: have anything to do with the murder at all.

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Speaker 2: But you can.

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Speaker 10: Continue, Okay, the restaurant where Goldman worked, right, there were

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Speaker 10: two other waiters that were murdered, and there were actually

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Speaker 10: articles in La Times about these murders.

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Speaker 9: Within three months of the Goldman murder.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that. I don't know all that to

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Speaker 1: be true.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for the call.

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Speaker 1: Look, you can say that you don't believe OJ is

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Speaker 1: guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. You can't say it. The

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Speaker 1: jury believe that I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I think. I think this is a straightforward intelligence test,

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Speaker 2: and some people are fit. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think some people want to believe that the

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Speaker 1: conspiracy is always true, because once you see one conspiracy,

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Speaker 1: you start to see other conspiracies. By the way, Mike,

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Speaker 1: in South Carolina, you went to high school with Nicole

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Speaker 1: Brown Simpson.

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Speaker 7: Back in the seventies.

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Speaker 1: So you went to high school with her. What was

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Speaker 1: she like? How do you feel today?

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Speaker 3: I couldn't be.

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Speaker 7: Happier that he's dead. I've been waiting for this day.

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Speaker 3: It's emotional. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: We used to hang out, throw a frisbee in a

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Speaker 7: park and.

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Speaker 2: She was your friend. W Huh she was your friend.

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Speaker 3: She was my friend. Yeah, and uh.

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Speaker 7: We used to go to our house, go swimming, you know,

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Speaker 7: have a lunch.

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Speaker 3: Her mother.

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Speaker 7: I never really knew the dad that well, but her

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Speaker 7: mother was a great person. We'd go to their house

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Speaker 7: and just hang out this music, swim like I said,

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Speaker 7: we'd throw the frisbee around and stuff.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I've gotten in a lot of fights

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Speaker 3: over this because people say that's what she deserves for

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Speaker 3: going out with a black man and No, she didn't

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Speaker 3: deserve that, and you get a punch in the face

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Speaker 3: for that is what you get.

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Speaker 2: Look, thank you.

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Speaker 1: For the I'm sorry to cut you off, but that

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Speaker 1: is I think the way that he's reacting is the

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Speaker 1: way that anybody who was a family member of Nicole

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Speaker 1: Brown Simpson or Ronald Goldman would be reacting today. No

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Speaker 1: one deserves any sort of violent act, no matter who

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Speaker 1: their boyfriend is, or what race they are, or what

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Speaker 1: religion they are. I think one of the lessons here

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Speaker 1: eight times the police were called to that house. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you know someone that is in in a domestic

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Speaker 1: violence laden relationship, you got to get them out because

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Speaker 1: it usually doesn't get better, and unfortunately you can end

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Speaker 1: like this.

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Speaker 2: And also I think it's this whole situation is a

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Speaker 2: reminder for the nation as we all think about oj

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Speaker 2: and we thought about him far more than we should,

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Speaker 2: considering what a horrible person he was. But race politics

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Speaker 2: are absolutely morally toxic and evil and wrong, and they

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Speaker 2: lead people, and they lead whole nations down the absolute

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Speaker 2: wrong path. We are all individuals, all created in God's image,

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Speaker 2: and to think of race as some kind of a

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Speaker 2: scoreboard is always the wrong approach