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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Monday, August eleventh, and as we speak,

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Speaker 1: the man convicted of raping and viciously murdering Rachel Morin,

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Speaker 1: mother of five, he is learning his fate. His sentencing

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Speaker 1: hearing is underway again as we speak, and it is

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Speaker 1: our understanding that that mother of five that he killed,

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Speaker 1: all five of her kids have addressed the court in

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Speaker 1: some way for their victim impact statement. And with that,

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Speaker 1: welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ and Rose.

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Speaker 1: This is a case I even for a second forgot

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Speaker 1: how much of an impact this had in this country

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Speaker 1: because one, this guy was on the run for so long,

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Speaker 1: and two it was smack dab in the middle of

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Speaker 1: our politics.

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Speaker 2: Smack dab in the middle of our politics because this

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Speaker 2: was an undocumented immigrant who came from l Salvador, who

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Speaker 2: actually had been wanted for murder. He is also tied

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Speaker 2: to another crime, potentially in Los Angelus. So this was

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Speaker 2: at El Salvador. So yes, this is right in the

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Speaker 2: middle of our current politics. And this also speaks to

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Speaker 2: the heart of every woman out there who loves to run,

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Speaker 2: who loves to go on jogs, who wants to feel

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Speaker 2: safe and empowered, and we hear these stories too often

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Speaker 2: about violence against women who are just trying to empower

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Speaker 2: themselves and make themselves physically better. And yet at the

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Speaker 2: same time we have to be worried about who may

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Speaker 1: This was a We've had several stories over the years

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Speaker 1: of made national headlines of women being attacked and being

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Speaker 1: murdered being out for runs. This was, I think, without question,

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Speaker 1: among one of, if not the most vicious attacks that

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Speaker 1: we got details about.

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Speaker 2: I got chills when you said that because of the

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Speaker 2: sentencing hearing. We went back and we researched the details

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Speaker 2: of the story and the trial transcripts and what acts

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Speaker 2: actually happened to thirty seven year old Rachel Morin while

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Speaker 2: she was out on this very popular running trail. You

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Speaker 2: and I love to run on running trails. These are

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Speaker 2: rail trails. This is the I think it's the Maryland

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Speaker 2: examiner are testified, and we're not going to get into

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Speaker 2: any gory details, but he said it was the worst

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Speaker 2: there wasn't a part of her body that wasn't injured

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Speaker 2: that spoke volumes and.

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Speaker 1: You know it. To your point is then about going

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Speaker 1: Do you probably notice this as well, So many places

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Speaker 1: you go and look up and research. At the top

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Speaker 1: it has a warning contains graphics, yes, information in this story.

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Speaker 1: That's how bad it was. And so that guy is

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Speaker 1: in court right now. He was found guilty of several

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Speaker 1: charges of all he was charged with, including kidnapping, sexual assault,

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Speaker 1: murder as well premeditated murder I believe it was. So

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Speaker 1: he's facing the possibility of life in prison without parole.

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Speaker 1: Now we aren't able robes there in Maryland where they're

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Speaker 1: this is quite frankly, very similar to what we were

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Speaker 1: doing during the Ditty trial. We depended on reporters who

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Speaker 2: Right. In addition to letting us know that all five

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Speaker 2: of Rachel's children submitted statements to the court victim impact statements,

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Speaker 2: she also talked about Rachel's younger brother. His name is

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Speaker 1: So it continues in court. The reporter again gives her

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Speaker 1: So it seems like things were moving fairly quickly, and

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Speaker 1: they got in ten impact statements. You're reading this, it's

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Speaker 1: reporter in the room about Martinez r. Nandez. Again, I

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Speaker 1: don't think we've mentioned his name, but Victor Martinez Rnandez

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Speaker 1: said he has been stoic and barely showing any reaction

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Speaker 1: So who knows what with this guy, but the I

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Speaker 2: Of all, all vacant, as in, there's nothing inside of them.

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Speaker 2: It actually, when you were reading that, I actually felt

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Speaker 2: to the judge what their lives have been like after

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Speaker 2: the loss of Rachel. So I thought those were interesting.

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Speaker 2: I hadn't heard that before that they weren't allowed or

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Speaker 1: We just saw this a couple week. Was it Coburger

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Speaker 2: Yes, that is exactly.

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Speaker 1: But one of the victim's parents, he literally picked up

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Speaker 1: off directly at him. Abbs, Absolutely, I've seen judges admonish

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Speaker 2: As much as you might want to as much, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I can only imagine. And interestingly, Blair Sable, who is

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Speaker 2: it was a remarkable moment to witness in court, but

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Speaker 2: said his actions are excusable, but because he said God

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Speaker 2: sees all and forgives even the worst of sinners. I

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Speaker 1: I mean, you got to lean on something, man, faith,

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Speaker 1: that's you have to You have to put your faith

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Speaker 1: and Romes I'm not sure if no, there wasn't enough

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Speaker 1: because she was missing one day, reported missing that night

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Speaker 1: Yes, so that's kind of cool. But between six and

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Speaker 1: But then you mentioned as well, her last text to

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Speaker 2: You know what's crazy. So her last text or her

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Speaker 2: just five minutes later, that's when police believe Martinez committed

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Speaker 2: And then it was four hours later when her family

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Speaker 2: So he went and he found her car parked and

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Speaker 1: So here we are, this is August of twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Her body is found. They don't identify a suspect until

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Speaker 1: the following May. Wow, and again, this is an undocumented

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Speaker 1: have it documented. That same year, January nineteenth, entered the

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Speaker 1: twelve days later, into El Paso, Texas, was kicked out,

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Speaker 1: accused of a pretty vicious crime out there against a

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Speaker 1: track him down through DNA from that crime, another vicious

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Speaker 2: And it's crazy if you think about him trying to

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Speaker 2: got to LA And yes, that DNA evidence from that

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Speaker 2: This is a violent man who just continued to commit

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Speaker 1: So he was identified as a suspect on May twentieth.

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Speaker 1: This, another layer of pain. Today is supposed to be

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it hard to you know, I don't know all

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Speaker 2: One My goodness, and it's premeditated because they say, the

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Speaker 1: Didn't they some mention he had equipment or something out there?

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Speaker 1: to your point premeditation to this crime. We're keeping an

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Speaker 1: to the young lady, the reporter from wm a R

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