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Speaker 1: You can't predict anything, dirt myth. It's been so long

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Speaker 1: since you've joined us, Do you still uh? You know

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Speaker 1: but mainly that that you you still you still chew man.

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Speaker 1: We get somebody I don't even afford them to you anymore.

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Speaker 1: People concerned about your health, people concerned about your true habit.

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Speaker 1: Both but not a sperrit and move move on. Gary

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Speaker 1: we both know that we had our differences, but we

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Speaker 1: had amazing times too. No, Uh, Mark Kenyon is here. Mark.

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Speaker 1: On a scale of one to uh, what do you like?

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Speaker 1: then uh poot mcgoot otherwise known as Chef Andrew Rajilowski

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Speaker 1: How many years did you live in Missouri? Forty seven

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Speaker 1: of we're jumping ahead here a man. We Uh, the

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00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: four of us hunted together, Andy, Guy, Steve, myself, Andy

425
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: and Guy were sitting together. Steve and I were sitting together.

426
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: Andy has pooty and come in fairly early, and uh,

427
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: we we got to watch her for at least thirty minutes, right,

428
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 1: and she finally drifted off. I never heard her make

429
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: a sound, did you know? And you guys did She

430
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: was talking the whole time. That's you know, it's funny.

431
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 1: I want to get into this more. But I remember

432
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 1: Will Primos listened to a Will Primos DVD and he

433
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: was talking about turkeys make so much more sound, and

434
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 1: you think he goes when you're sitting in the woods

435
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 1: and one comes real close to you realize they're constantly

436
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 1: making noise constantly, And I never, like tonight, we she

437
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: wasn't in shooting range. You can't shoot female anyway, but

438
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: she wasn't in shooting range. But I never heard a

439
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: peep out of her. I can't believe that. You guys,

440
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: just sitting not too far away, we're listening to her

441
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: constantly talking and you don't even know if she's talking

442
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: to to another one or if if she's just making

443
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 1: noise to appeace herself. But I know that came turkeys

444
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 1: we had. She would do it NonStop. There would be

445
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: times when we get hot in the heat of the day.

446
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 1: Now I don't mean she she called her head off NonStop.

447
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: But for the most part, I'd say of her day

448
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: was bent making noises. The other day we had a

449
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: hand roll up on a decoy and she spent several

450
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: minutes um trying to figure out what was wrong. With it.

451
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: She'd kind of fan her tail out, walk around it,

452
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: you know, move her head up and down. Wouldn't you

453
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: just left to know exactly what she was thinking? Yeah,

454
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: I would love to, I was saying. I kept telling

455
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: I was telling Kenyan that if I could have, like

456
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 1: all my questions about turkeys would be answered, if I

457
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: could be in one's brain for five minutes, because I

458
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: just want to know, like how precise their thoughts are

459
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: or is it just sort of this nothing that's going

460
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: on in their head, or is it that they're having

461
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: like complicated thoughts about risk and reward? They live in

462
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:08,959
Speaker 1: two worlds. Everything's fine, everything's not fine. She would go

463
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: up to it and was purring at it, but also

464
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: just like whistling. It's really cool sounds. Yeah, a lot

465
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 1: of that, a lot of those purrs and little subtle

466
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: clucks in there, those little bitty tiny it's it's something

467
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: that very few people even recognize as a turkey. But

468
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: they do that to each other too. You know, they're curious.

469
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: They want to know what's going on, you know, and

470
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: you see it a lot when they walk up to decoys.

471
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: What's the other noise? You just mean, just a perr

472
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: just what does that do? That? Again, there's all kinds

473
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: and the the purp. You know people talk about the

474
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: feeding purr. Well, there's so many vocalizations from a hand

475
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: to another hand, to another gobbler, to something's wrong, to

476
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: an alarm. There the purr that a wild turkey uses

477
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: as as many different, many different call meanings. Do the

478
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 1: yell that you're old, Henrietta used to make walking around

479
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: the yard. But what would shock me is she would

480
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 1: do that in the yard and three hundred yards away

481
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: in the woods, a turkey would gotble back at her,

482
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: you know, hundreds of yards away, hundreds of yards away

483
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,719
Speaker 1: and on a on a still morning. And that was

484
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: you know a lot of guys talking about now they

485
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 1: don't ever call it to the turkey till he flies down.

486
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: That was something I learned from that hen She would

487
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: sit on the on the on our barn, which was

488
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: where she roosted, and she would listen to the little

489
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: turkey's gobble around her, and when they flew down, she

490
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: would start calling to him. It was why, I have

491
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: no idea. It was fascinating, but it taught me something.

492
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: Don't ever call to him while they're in the tree.

493
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: You know, wait till they wait till they hit the ground,

494
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: and she would decide, she would make her mind up,

495
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: she'd start yelping, and she'd pitch it down and go

496
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: to a different one just about every time. So what

497
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: other sounds did you learn how to make with just

498
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: your mouth? Kyota hood owl and just any crow call,

499
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: basically anything that would make a turkey cobble or let

500
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: me hear the kyo, Let me hear it. Got a

501
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: lot louder than that, but I don't want to break

502
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: your sound machine. And then let me hear the owl.

503
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: He lit up the owls. Yeah, like these guys were saying,

504
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: you were calling in all kinds of owls. As he

505
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: asked me, why don't al hoot when we go? And

506
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: that's the reason why, because it usually ends up like

507
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: that at five ours above my tree and I can't

508
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: hear any thing. They were flying around from tree to tree,

509
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: all around trying to find the offending owl. Can you

510
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: rip it again? Let me here, that's good, walk me through.

511
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: So if you can walk through what you understand to

512
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: be um the vocabulary of a turkey. So we talked

513
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: about a perr. What does it yelp? Saying when a

514
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: turkey's yelping, what is it saying to other turkeys? It

515
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: either wants company or it wants you to Basically, it

516
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: wants company. That's it. That's their vocalization. But what is

517
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: the one they use when they really are going like

518
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: a dude? When when when a turkey sounds like a

519
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: bad caller with a box call, because they do sometimes

520
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: do absolutely the worst turkey colors in the woods or turkeys,

521
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: what is she saying when she's doing that? She's ready

522
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: to breed, She's ready for company in the springtime, now

523
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: she's ready for company. And if you'll hear him do

524
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: that in the fall too, And they've usually got split

525
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: up from the flock and they're just trying to find

526
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: they're gregarious animals. They want to be together, you know,

527
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: as soon as the breeding season opened, as we're the

528
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: gobblers get back together and they're best friends all year

529
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: until you know, February March. And the same with hands.

530
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: They're a very strange creature, but they're a creature of

531
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: habit and they want company. You know, I just realized,

532
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,239
Speaker 1: can you hold on a minute? Sure we didn't do

533
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: the list of the food? What distracted us for doing

534
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: the list of the food boot. Yeah, he's turkey or

535
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: lack of Yeah, that was it. That's what happened. Do

536
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: you mind getting back into that. Yeah, speaking of rewinding

537
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: turkey peccata. Yeah, we made we missed some stuff because

538
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: you had some cured salmon that you caught there in say, yeah,

539
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: I made some locks for breakfast. Um made a smoked

540
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: cariboo kilbassa that we ate several different times. Did you

541
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: hit the calamari? Oh? Yeah, we did some calamari that

542
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: from my home waters. Yeah. You gotta lead down how

543
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: you secret? Spot? How how that was served too? That

544
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: was It was a curried calamari with golden raised and

545
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: some green onion pine nuts and a little curry mangoeoli.

546
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: How was it consumed or city shooting shotguns in the

547
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: headlight of the truck. Yeah, as it should be. I

548
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: just want to say, you guys all left and you

549
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: left the plate out there. That's why I was out

550
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: there for thirty minutes. Handful of handful of calamari. And

551
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: what else did we do? Uh? That seafood caliboot halibut

552
00:32:54,760 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: and spot ProMED sausage that's my favorite. Wee cured some

553
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: goose ptramy, a couple of goosebreast stray we did Canada

554
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: Canada goosebreast. Yeah, that's the I think that that dish

555
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: if when you hear from people who get Canada geese

556
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: and they don't like eating that much, does a job

557
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: to be making. Yeah, it's a go to for sure.

558
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: And then and poot special um food special Canada goosebreast

559
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: pastrami recipes in the in the forthcoming cookboot. Yeah you

560
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: can get it there. And oh, we had some couple

561
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: of different lunch items where we did. Uh, I did

562
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: a roast caribou and made a little sliders out of that.

563
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: And then today we eat some too, a mountain lion

564
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: roast and smoked through that in the smoker and it

565
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: did kind of like a like a poled barbecue style

566
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: with a little Cole slaw on all the all the tremans.

567
00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: That was pretty good. You ruin me, Andy, It was

568
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: a wild game extravagan mayeah. You can never be reached again.

569
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yep. Series a big old alk linlif

570
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 1: pi a. Yeah, that was that was really good. He

571
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: cooked so hard, uh, he cooked so hard and so

572
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: long that some essential part of himself was lost and

573
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: he was unable to get a turkey. Yeah, because you,

574
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: like you, you depleted some vital some sense of vitality

575
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: that allows someone to well, I chose the wrong day

576
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: to stay and uh do all my prep work every

577
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 1: every hunt except yesterday when everybody came back with a turkey.

578
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: Guy what um if you why was why was it

579
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: so uh easy to get turkeys yesterday? But the day

580
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: before was like very difficult because today it was not

581
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: that great. Well, Friday, we had what winds out of

582
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: the north, trees laying down and it's you know, they

583
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: don't get together that well, they're scared. You know, predators

584
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: have a better chance to catch them. Everything's moving. Uh,

585
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: you know, sites their biggest defense, and uh we hit

586
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: it right. You know, they were split up, some of

587
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:31,479
Speaker 1: them were lonely, and absolutely perfect weather. The barometer was low.

588
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: Everything was just hit right cool and it stayed cool

589
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: for uh it was probably eleven o'clock before it really

590
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: started warming up. It was just absolutely perfect morning for

591
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: so you think it was a response to having had

592
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: such a nasty day the day before, Like if you

593
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: have a rainy day, then the next day's real sunny.

594
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: People more inclined to step outside. Depending on the wind

595
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: and the weather, yep. But when it's clear and calm

596
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: like that after day of bad weather over the years,

597
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 1: it's And also the next day is usually the worst

598
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: that you'll have. They're all back together and you and

599
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: you've got the hunters you know around here that didn't

600
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: hunt Friday or that tried to hunt Friday, and I

601
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: knew that Saturday was gonna be good. So you had

602
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: an influx of how many shotguns shots do we hear Saturday?

603
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: I mean, jeez, must alone a handful. Yeah, And then

604
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: there were several from around you know, so they noticed

605
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: the pressure. So that next day they tend to be

606
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: off a little bit. I know, we heard several turkeys

607
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: this morning that only gobbled, you know, three or four

608
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: or five times, and that was it. And we had

609
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: one gobbled yesterday a hundred times at least at least

610
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: at least a hundred times. And I'll put it into

611
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: that you did, amen, capt One. But it gets frustrating,

612
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: you know, when you have a day like today. But

613
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: that's why they call it hunting. It's just you live

614
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 1: for those days for yesterday. Up. I was telling Mark

615
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: Kenyon or nothing. I was telling Pooter if if, if

616
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: it's a sure thing, they wouldn't call it trying to

617
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: call in a turkey. Hey man, it calls something different.

618
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: Call it something different. Um, can you make a cut

619
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: noise like what a turkey does when she cuts? I

620
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: can't do it with my boys, really, yeah. I can

621
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: do it with a mouth call. And I used to

622
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: pack a mouth call it to do the cutting so

623
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: I could yelp with my voice at the end of it.

624
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 1: But you don't. I've hunted turkeys for forty years. I've

625
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: heard cutting in the wild from a wild hen maybe

626
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: a handful of times. No, hear it all the time.

627
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: I just don't hear it. I mean not not the

628
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: continuous cutting that like I was doing today when I

629
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 1: was calling. I don't ever hear that. Me and Yanni

630
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: do do you really? Really? Yeah? Are you sure you're

631
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: not confusing it with just a bunch of clocks? Would you?

632
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: Would you define it as like a very aggressive fuck?

633
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: It's sort of just a series of very aggressive clucks.

634
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: She's not scared, She's she's looking for somebody to she's

635
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: looking for a time, trying to get a response from

636
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: from a gobblin. So you can't do you can't cut

637
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: with your mouth, thanks too much her, I'll pass out, okay,

638
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: So so cut with a slate, Do one up by

639
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: your mouth, do one up by your mouth piece? There,

640
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: what's that turkey saying? She's looking for company? She's excited,

641
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: may call it excited you up. So I don't know

642
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: anybody that's ever talked to one actually, but you don't

643
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: know any it's ever talked to one actually what she's thinking.

644
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: But I think that she's looking for somebody. She's looking

645
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: for a response, whether it be from another hen or

646
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: from a dollar. But it just to be clear if

647
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: you just slow that down and instead of doing a

648
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: bunch in a row and just do that same sound. Yeah,

649
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 1: you just called out a cluck. Cluck. She's walking and looking.

650
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: Can you cluck with with your mouth? And a lot

651
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: of times what hen says after she clucks. You know,

652
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,479
Speaker 1: I can remember in the eighties growing up, everybody told

653
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: you don't make a put with your call, or you'll

654
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: scare everything in the woods. Yeah, because you do the

655
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,479
Speaker 1: sound that they that they make when they spook. Yeah,

656
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: but it what she does after she clucks or puts

657
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: it says everything. If she puts and flies off, every

658
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: turkey in the woods know something's up. But if she

659
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: puts and yells, they're immediately calm. It means a totally

660
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: different thing. But here's the thing. If all of these

661
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: things meant I'm looking for company, then it wouldn't have

662
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: They wouldn't all exist, Like why the redundancy, because we

663
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: do everything backwards in nature, the hand goes to the godler.

664
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. If she wouldn't like, there

665
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 1: has to be some difference. I'm sure you're we don't know.

666
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: But if she yelps and cuts and cluck's all meaning

667
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: I want company, they must all mean variations. If I

668
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: want company, I want a company a teeny bit, but

669
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: not really, I want company a lot. I see what

670
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: you're saying. Yeah, And I've seen hands walking to the

671
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 1: woods clucking and yelping and clucking and yelping, and they'll

672
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: clucking yelp until they get a gobbler to response and

673
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: turn and go right to it. And you know from

674
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: listening to that that that's what she wanted to do.

675
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: And I've heard the same hens doing the same things.

676
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: Here a turkey gobble and turn and walked the other

677
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: way and get with a group of hens and go

678
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: off into the wood. Yeah, when it comes down to

679
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: the final of it, she knows what she wants, and

680
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: until we can figure out a way to get in

681
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: her head, we're about as far as we can go

682
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: as a as a group of hunters. I think, Uh,

683
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: can you talk about when you when you saw a

684
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: turkey gorging itself on crayfish underwater? That was that Empire

685
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: ranch and it was unreal. She was walking along the

686
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 1: edge of a pond like a raccoon picking her head

687
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 1: would go into the water, and she had a beard

688
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: about I don't know, seven or eight inch, as long

689
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: as it was a bearded hen. Yeah, would you shoot

690
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: a beard heading? Not? Now? Would you go to a

691
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: bar called the Bearded Head? Yeah? We saw you? Did

692
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: I say, we saw a bearded head last night? Pencilfin

693
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: eight inch? Would you shot it? Mm hmm. I was

694
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: hoping that would come in and poot could shoot it.

695
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: That's why I could inspect it. But now I have

696
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: to feel the guilt. That's where I would be. I

697
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: would be able to then say, like, yeah, I was

698
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: with a guy one time, I didn't do it, But

699
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: my body shot a bearded him. But they'll eat anything

700
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: if they can get it in their mouth. I killed

701
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: the guyler one time had bagworms in his and his

702
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: whole chest was just moving from all the bag worms.

703
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: He had eight you mean bag rooms like tent worms,

704
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: and you can see him moving inside there, see us craw.

705
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: My wife wouldn't like that a bit care for it

706
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: at all. What were you you were talking uh this

707
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: morning about the hands have the hierarchy as well, and

708
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 1: like the vocalizations will change based on their status within

709
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: that pyramid. Is that that's true? And the hand goes

710
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: into something that's called birdie when she gets a nest,

711
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: she gets towards the end of her nest, she gets

712
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: real defensive of her little area and defensive of herself.

713
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: But they fight, They strutt just like a goler. They

714
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: don't make the same you know how a goler does.

715
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: But they will let me hear you. Let me hear

716
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: you do that one again. Mm hmmm, you know I do.

717
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: It sounds about the same, just abbreviated verse um. So

718
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: the crayfish thing, how big are the crayfish it was eating?

719
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: I mean, they weren't like what you'd find it a

720
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 1: crawfish bowl. But they were all three or four inches long.

721
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: So she's just filling her crop up with those things.

722
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: The writer Tom Kelly, Colonel Tom Kelly who wrote the

723
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: the greatest turkey hunting book ever, Legion, talks about them

724
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: eating mudbugs, which crawfish, talks about the meat and crawfish.

725
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: And I hadn't read his book until after that happened

726
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: to me. But it's been a long time ago, but

727
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: I did. I did harvest a turkey and because I

728
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: had to see, you know what in the world, and

729
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: she was eating, had a whole crawfull of and once

730
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: again her crawl was moving. They weren't near about dead. Yeah,

731
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: so crow, I never thought about that crossed the word

732
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: for a crop yep, across the crop. Uh, as you

733
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: learned how to make all these turkey sounds that your

734
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: farm there as a kid, Um, how did you get

735
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 1: into competitive turkey calling? And like what is competitive turkey calling?

736
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: It's uh where a group of guys get a list

737
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: of turkey vocabulary in vocabulary and UH you make each

738
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: say it's a cluck or the cutting. You do that

739
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: and then the yelping and series of that and then

740
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: um clucking purrns, a serious of that and you get

741
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: judged on those call. Do you believe in a call

742
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 1: called the fly down? Is it useful to hunters? Absolutely?

743
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: Now that one. I have heard a lot. Is it

744
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: the fly down cackle? Fly down? Kickickii ki ki kick

745
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: again and shoot that hand? Would dad? Can you? Yeah?

746
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: You can? Can you do it with with your mouth with

747
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: no calling? And now I'll pass out again. Let go

748
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: a little close to your mouth piece. There you're you're Mike.

749
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: And that's the that's the that's the vocalizations they make

750
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: coming down out of a tree. Oh and I had

751
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: her hands to do that a lot, especially in Texas. Uh.

752
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: But when you so, when you but when you've got

753
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: into doing a competition calling, it was just you were

754
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: doing No, you're just just using voice calls. Now, I

755
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: would have to use a diaphragm for stuff like that,

756
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: for cutting and for the fly down cackle, but for

757
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: a basic yelps and the clucking umpires and stuff like that. Yeah,

758
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: run me through like a run through a bunch of

759
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: the just a whole whatever comes to your mind. Oh,

760
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: the call sequences, Yeah, run me through like a like

761
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: let's say you're at a calling Well where were the

762
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: calling competitions? Let me ask that. First, I took second

763
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: in the world of Natchez, Mississippi. Second in the world

764
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: natural voice. A guy named Tucker Chris beat me by

765
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: two points. But that's what I mean. You just said

766
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: natural voice. Yeah, so how can you can't If you're

767
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: doing the natural voice, you can't have the call right.

768
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: So you just suffered through it. And that's that's where

769
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: I lost. It was the fly down cackle. I just

770
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: couldn't do it. It sounded like a dead chicken, and

771
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: I didn't score very high on my dead chicken also

772
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: cost you the World Championship Voice calling. Yeah, I had

773
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: nines and tens out of ten. He was scored zero

774
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: to ten and I had nines and tens on all

775
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: the calls except that one, and I had a four.

776
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: So what was like? What was the first time you

777
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: went to a competition? I didn't eat for three days

778
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: and I flew down to Natches, or flew down to

779
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 1: Louisiana and went to Natches. From uh, it's just nervous

780
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: get up. But in front of a bunch of people,

781
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: that was that was pretty rough. You know, you were

782
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: nervous about it well in advance of going and doing

783
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: it well in advanced Yeah, and you signed up. And

784
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: did you even know that what other people were doing

785
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: with calling? Had no idea? Had guys tell me? I

786
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: just had a feeling you were good at it. Yeah.

787
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: I had a guy tell me I had to eat

788
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: lemons before, and then another guy told me I had

789
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: to eat limes, and another guy told me had they

790
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: cough halls cough drops that would clear my throat. And

791
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,479
Speaker 1: by the time it was over, I couldn't even talk,

792
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: you know, I just it was But it was a

793
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: great experience. You know, I met one of my best

794
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 1: friends for life h there. I mean, we've been friends

795
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: thirty some years. Met him at that column contest. And

796
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: where was the calling contest? Natchez, Mississippi, Our nash Mississippi.

797
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: However you want to say it, some good friends from

798
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: down there and made made some really good people, met

799
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: some really good people down here. This happening nineteen nineteen. Okay, No,

800
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 1: I gotta followed real quick. How many other folks were

801
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: in the voice division? I think, and all memories just

802
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: a little rough, but I think there were sixteen or eighteen,

803
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: and you know, there's some Mark Jury was there. He's

804
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: a he's an excellent, excellent natural voice caller. And uh,

805
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: there's some other people that you know, it's been twenty

806
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: years ago that I can't remember. But you beat Marjury. No, No,

807
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: he was there the year before he won it. Three

808
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: years is in a row, and he was there at

809
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: the contest, but he didn't call that year. He quit

810
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: because he was winning it every year. He went into

811
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: business for himself. The year I competed, he wasn't in it.

812
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: Is there a day to day like maintenance you have

813
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: to do for your throat or you know what I mean?

814
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: Like a singer does their warm up? Do you do

815
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: something to like you know, yeah, do you do that?

816
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: Come on, sing it all day tomorrow? Yeah. I realized

817
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: I had such a hit because my understanding is like,

818
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: when you write a song, it's meant to be get

819
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: some people's heads. And does he man or is he

820
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: bith or myth gets into Mark's head and shake it,

821
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: which tells me that it's a hit. What's even worse

822
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: is my wife has had to hear me sing it

823
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: because she gets mad at me, and I say, talked

824
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: to Steve, I can't wait to get home and singing

825
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: this is the annoying song, and this is how it goes.

826
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: Does he man or is he? So you gotta warm up,

827
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: l La. The more you call, the better you get

828
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: at it. The more I practice, the better I am.

829
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: All right, So at some point we better do it. Now.

830
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: I want you just to like get put yourself back

831
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: in your nineteen year old self. Okay, here you are,

832
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: your Natchez, Mississippi. Haven't eaten in days. You get up

833
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 1: on the stage. Let me set the scene for its

834
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: a crowd of beautiful women and you're up on the stage,

835
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: and and you need to start ripping out a wide

836
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: array of turkey sounds, um that you learned communicating with

837
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: the family. Pet. That's it. Do you have to do

838
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: my specific order or yeah, yeah, and I'll say call

839
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: or do the wild because we can do this just

840
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: like a contest who wants to be the announcer. You

841
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: don't mind me any announcer I've ever seen before. I

842
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: be a crowd. I'm gonna be a crowd member. Contestant.

843
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: Contestant number one, could you please start with the cluck

844
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: and you just do it a few times and that's

845
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: all You do just cut it and they'll give it

846
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: a minute for the judges. Who who's judging I mean

847
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: here at the table, I'm not judging who's judged in

848
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: real life? You know they get h A lot of

849
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: times would be you know past callers, um, people that

850
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:41,720
Speaker 1: turkey haunded a lot from that local area. Um. Sometimes

851
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: they'd have agents do it from that area. You know,

852
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: people that were absolutely knew what a hand turkey was

853
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: supposed to sound like. And this is something put on

854
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: by the National Wild Turkey Federation. Did Jay Scott judges

855
00:51:55,120 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: the alcoholing right? Okay, so announcer moving on to the

856
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:23,439
Speaker 1: yelp U. Usually you do it twice unaided one time. Yep,

857
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: yep you can do. That's like more of a harbor seal.

858
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: Ye you tried dirt, Oh no, tryep you got Yeah.

859
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: I bet Yanni can do like an approximation of it?

860
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 1: Do you have? But my voice is not might in

861
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 1: the best place for it. I canna try. It'll be good, Mark,

862
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: but yeoh, hit it again. So when you're learning, how

863
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: like now we're going back in. If you're not your

864
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: nineteen year old self anymore, you're you're like whatever you know,

865
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna go back to being him in a minute.

866
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: But you're you're younger, you're your younger self. How did

867
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: you like? Were you learning to call with no call,

868
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: just using your voice just out of expediency, like uh?

869
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: Or were you thinking I want to become a a

870
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: voice caller. I was using that to kill turkeys. That

871
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: was it. So if I had given you a bunch

872
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: of turkey calls, you might not have learned. Right, Okay,

873
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: announcer contesting number one, que please now hear you're fighting

874
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: per Actually this was big. Oh yeah, when two goblers

875
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 1: made our two hens and you can tone it down

876
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: from one to the other, but m t yeah hit

877
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: him again? Yeah yeah. How about the kiki run? That's

878
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: a close one. I can barely, I barely can do

879
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: that one. But okay, but first, can you explain to

880
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: me um the turkey sounds kiki kiki run? Like all

881
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: these things, most generally, it's the fall of the young young,

882
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: the fall turkeys, babies that can't haven't developed a voice enough.

883
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: And you'll hear it take at the end. Sometimes sometimes

884
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: it won't break. They'll ke key NonStop. But I've heard

885
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: hens that do it. She my that Henrietta Turkey. She

886
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,399
Speaker 1: used to do it when she was five six years old.

887
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: She would ki key. They can do it if they

888
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: want to do it now. Babies in the fall, they

889
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: don't have the voice box. They do it just because

890
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 1: they're trying. They can't yell. But uh, I've heard them

891
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: hens do that Kiki run in the spring, and like,

892
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: I don't have video of her, but m she would

893
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 1: do it when she was older. Let me hear the north.

894
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: That just means follow me. I'm not sure what the

895
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: Kiki run is from a mature hen. I don't know

896
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: what that means. I really don't know why they do

897
00:55:55,239 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: it sometimes. But Mark, well, what do we have left?

898
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: We want to hear the fight on cackle again? Do

899
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: we want to hear the I can't Where did you

900
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: do the putts? I'll do the feeding purr? How about

901
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: an alarm put Yeah? I told your ears, no, it's nothing.

902
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: And my putting cluck sounds so much alike, you know, Yeah,

903
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: but a real hands putting cluck sounds alike to Yeah,

904
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: it was at the time. I'm in the woods going,

905
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: damn it, I screwed up again. And yeah, here she comes, Yeah,

906
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: she's coming. All the way in, and I'm like, oh,

907
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: she's not putting it. Isn't the cadence different though? On

908
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: the alarm put Oh yeah definitely, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

909
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: yeah for sure. So when you were when you what

910
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 1: was it like when you were growing up Missouri? Would

911
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: you would your what'd your old man do for a living?

912
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: He worked for the state Department and he wasn't around

913
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 1: very often. And it was you know, when I lived

914
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: in Tuscumbia, Missouri, it was population two. You know, we

915
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: had a we didn't even have a stop that we

916
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,919
Speaker 1: had to stop sign a bank of church, in a bar,

917
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: in a school. So were you the kind of kid

918
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: that hung out by yourself? You know? I mean it

919
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: was hard not to be popular because there was only

920
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: like fifteen of us in my class. So you were

921
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: popular whether he wanted to be. But no, I wasn't popular,

922
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: but it was it was a great place to grow up.

923
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: But I was a Hellian. You were a hell Yeah,

924
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: I would say Hellen, like, well, like it tell me

925
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: some bad things you did. I shot a lot of turkeys,

926
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: but you mostly ran around out in the woods. Yeah,

927
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: because like after the last couple of days, I can

928
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: just tell, like I've only only for a few days

929
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: to hang out with. But you're like, oh, you're like

930
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: what I would call it a woodsman a turn that

931
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: I do not throw around. Well, there's a lot of

932
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: guys like to go hump. They're not like a woodsman.

933
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: And that's just it. I don't hunt it all anymore.

934
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: I mean I don't. I can't remember the last thing

935
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: I harvested other than the bird that was pooping over

936
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,439
Speaker 1: the window sill, you know, I mean related relocated. I mean,

937
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: it's just I love it, like you guys being here

938
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: and the success you guys said, that's where I get

939
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: my charge of of it, and you know, seeing the

940
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: conservation efforts that have been made for the wild turkey,

941
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: not only for the wild turkey, but for the To

942
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: bring up a bad but good point. When I was

943
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: a kid growing up, you would talk to guys, did

944
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: you see anything today? I shot the hell out of

945
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: this bush, but you know, it turned out it wasn't

946
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: a turkey or I I shot at once seventy yards

947
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: and there was accidents and you know people, I had

948
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: a really good friend of mine got shot turkey hunting,

949
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: and uh I got him into the sport and you know,

950
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: he got shot a second time ever being out. He

951
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: was hunting a public land there close to home, and uh,

952
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: he was calling the gobler and he said he was

953
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: just about ready to shoot it, and hits saw him

954
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: and run off. And he said he was just sitting

955
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: there and he say, looked, and he's seen a guy

956
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: walking up to him. And he waved at him and

957
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: he didn't have his gloves on, which who cares. And

958
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: he a man looks about as much like a turkey

959
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: as I look like an elephant, you know. But he

960
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: waved at him, and he said, as soon as I

961
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:31,919
Speaker 1: waved at him, he threw his gun up, and he said,

962
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: I knew he was gonna shoot me. And he put

963
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: his hand over his eyes and saved his eyes. But

964
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: he had forty some pellets up his arm and then

965
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: his skull and holy ship. But you don't hear about

966
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: that anymore. And it's through the conservation efforts of this country,

967
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: and you know, educating people that you don't shoot until

968
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:54,439
Speaker 1: you are sure of your target. There was a kid

969
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: that was that one of the Turkey Federation things who

970
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: was a expert voice caller. The story was he became

971
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: good at it because his old man shot him in

972
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: a turkey hunting accident and damaged his voice box, and

973
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: now he can call turkeys. Like I don't even you know,

974
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: I try to think of like what word would describe

975
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: that story. It's not irony, but there's some bizarreness to

976
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: that story. And you can't ever take that, you know,

977
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: that trigger pulled back. But I don't understand, Like if

978
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: you if you talk to you guys soon, it's like, oh,

979
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: so you thought you thought that you saw a man's

980
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: hand and in your mind was, um, oh, there's a turkey,

981
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: And I am verifying that it is a bearded turkey

982
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: in there for illegal and I'm verifying that I'm holding

983
01:00:54,800 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: on the wattles. Yeah you're not doing all the No,

984
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 1: you're not, you're shooting that movement. But that was I

985
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: mean that it was. I mean, we had ten fifteen

986
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: accidents a year in the state of Missouri. Back in

987
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: My buddies from Missouri have a good story about watching uh,

988
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: an acquaintance of theirs. They just happened to be perched

989
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: up and watch this guy like belly crawling on a

990
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: bird in a field. It was goblin and the guy

991
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: got up and shot a fence post. The bird was

992
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: still like fifty yards farther, never saw and just reared

993
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: up and shot this fence post and stood up and

994
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: walked over there and realized that there was no turkey,

995
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: not even close. He was trying to help the quail

996
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: by killing the fence post. But it's because there was

997
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: such a lack of it was like you had to

998
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: take every split second decision to shoot something like it

999
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: was just in the pride and ego, which is downfall

1000
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 1: of the majority of US guys. But you know now

1001
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: through their efforts, you know, they had the safe sticker

1002
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: on the end of the gun, you know, and everybody

1003
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: made fun of it. I didn't make fun with all.

1004
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: That was a great idea. Yeah, it was a b

1005
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: safe sticker that you put on the end of your

1006
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 1: when you put your gun up. It was on the

1007
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: whatever that's that the riser or whatever. So so you

1008
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 1: had to see that sticker before you made you think

1009
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: that one little one little bit. But are I mean

1010
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 1: it's went downhill. There's hardly any now, you know, one

1011
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: or two a year, and it's usually somebody dropping a

1012
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: gun or so some level of education took shape very much. So, yeah,

1013
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: you know what I was saying, how like how I

1014
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: was saying, like I think of you as a woodsman

1015
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: after walking around you. We're The reason I bring that

1016
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 1: up was our friend Pat Dirk and we're talking to

1017
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: him and he's talking about these guys that get so

1018
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: good at killing white tails. This will interest you, Mark Um.

1019
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: These guys get so good at killing white tails and

1020
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: like killing machines, you know, but they can't tell you

1021
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 1: what tree the tree stands hanging in. They don't know

1022
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 1: what kind of tree. Like they learned some aspect of hunting,

1023
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: but they don't learn the package of it. But you

1024
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: when you're out in the woods, you're you're you know

1025
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: your trees, you know your plants, You're observing all of

1026
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 1: the things around you, and you're curious about the vocalizations.

1027
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: And you don't even care to be the guy hunting

1028
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: could care less. I just there's something to learn every

1029
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: time we go out there. You know, it's if nature.

1030
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 1: Woods are changing every single second of every day. And

1031
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: now we've decimated our forests back the turn of the

1032
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: century and they've you know, they've come back, and we're

1033
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: learning as a nation that you have to take care

1034
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 1: of it. By eradicating fire and fescue and fence defense planning.

1035
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 1: In my opinion, someday she's gonna get tired of it.

1036
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 1: You know, we got to do our part a sportsmen

1037
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 1: to give back. We got to take care of our

1038
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: woods in our fields and our forests and our wildlife

1039
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: have to. We owe it to the next generation, our children.

1040
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 1: When you're growing up, that you see a lot of

1041
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,479
Speaker 1: areas get destroyed. Yeah, over the course of your life.

1042
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: One of the most painful ones was in Alabama that

1043
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 1: we hunted, and uh, I mean it was. It was

1044
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: one of the few places I ever got to hunt

1045
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: that was virgin timber and uh there was wide oak

1046
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: trees and it was two acres and and me and

1047
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: uh the buddy that I hunted with down there, Barry,

1048
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 1: we could hold hands and not touch I mean around

1049
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: the majority of the white oak trees on that place.

1050
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: And Uh, that grandfather passed away and left it to

1051
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: his grandson. And on the one condition that it didn't

1052
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: get clear cut, that nothing happened to it. It It was

1053
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 1: never to be logged, which I'm not sure did I

1054
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: agree with the never being long stuff? But something that

1055
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: pristine and that beautiful, Yeah, I agreed with it. And

1056
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: I remember we went down there one year and that

1057
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 1: his uh nephew had found a way around it, and

1058
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: it was a clear cut field when we got there.

1059
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 1: It's the logging thing is is tricky. And the main

1060
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 1: when I was a little kid, the main area we

1061
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 1: could go and we could like take twenty two and

1062
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:32,959
Speaker 1: walk out our door, and and you had you would

1063
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 1: like take twenty two whatever across the road and you

1064
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 1: go into a small wood lot with my old man

1065
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 1: on the chunk of then you go down and cross

1066
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 1: Mueller Road and pass into a big woods because it

1067
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 1: was owned by a summer camp and it came to

1068
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 1: be the summer camp sold it and whoever got it

1069
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: was came in to log it, okay, and these are

1070
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: big white pines, big oaks, um and they came in

1071
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 1: to log it. And we were like the monkey ranch

1072
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 1: gang man because we don't want to log it. And

1073
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: we noticed that the guys came in and would go

1074
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: around right and no cut on some trees. And my

1075
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 1: old man had gotten all this paint at uh my

1076
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:22,919
Speaker 1: old man had gotten all this paint at a white

1077
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: elephant sale. And we had a sprayer and I remember

1078
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 1: me my brother. We were I think I was thirteen

1079
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: or fourteen. I remember because right around the time, I

1080
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: was peeling logs for thirty or five cents of foot

1081
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: at a place that made log homes. And uh, we

1082
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 1: kept mixing that paint to try to get it to

1083
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 1: match exactly the paint that said no cut, and then

1084
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: went all overund in the woods right, no cut it

1085
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: on stuff, which didn't work, and then they cut it okay,

1086
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: so it was it was squirrel woods. Then they cut

1087
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 1: that forest select cut, not clear, but select cut it.

1088
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: And it was a couple of years later and we

1089
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 1: had deer and there wasn't deer anywhere near. I mean

1090
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 1: it was like you would there would be now and

1091
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,919
Speaker 1: in a deer somewhere if you crossed the next world

1092
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: white Lake Drive and passed into this other woods, you

1093
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: could possibly run into a deer. They logged that thing,

1094
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 1: and we jumped a rough grouse in there a few

1095
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 1: years later, which never happened, and we actually went and

1096
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 1: hunted deer in net woods after it was locked. And

1097
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: then that that caused me to have sort of like

1098
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 1: an awareness of sort of like a managed forest, right

1099
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 1: or like how you could that's something you think is negative, like, oh,

1100
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: logging so bad, But then it created this thing and

1101
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: it wasn't like this is old girls whose got logged

1102
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 1: off during the logging boom. Anyways, it was something of

1103
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: a more cyclical nature. But if you went there, now

1104
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 1: there's now again there's nothing because then what happened was

1105
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 1: development and someone came in and scratched it all off

1106
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: into lots. Feel out of it. Just it's just houses. Yeah,

1107
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 1: it's houses. It's just gone now and now it's now.

1108
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 1: What I think is like, oh they're gonna log it.

1109
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 1: It's gonna be gone or it's gonna be ruined. No,

1110
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: it's gone when you build, like when you develop it,

1111
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: that's gone. It was developed. It was developed by the

1112
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 1: guys that you know, it was developed by the guys

1113
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 1: that went to high school with It's not like not

1114
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 1: like an evil not like an evil thing happened or

1115
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 1: someone did it with malintent. It's just like the fact

1116
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:44,599
Speaker 1: is now nothing's there. Well, there's some scrolls run around.

1117
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 1: You can't hunt because it's people's yards. That's why they

1118
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 1: make pellet guns. Right, I'm I'm a fan of logging

1119
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 1: when it's you know, selective selective harvest it's a renewable resource,

1120
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 1: just like cutting the field of grasp for Hey, if

1121
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 1: you don't, it's just gonna go to go to waste.

1122
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 1: Utilize it and you can if you do it right,

1123
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,600
Speaker 1: you can help your forest in so many ways. You

1124
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 1: can help your forest and your wildlife. Yeah, have you

1125
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,639
Speaker 1: ever ever been around when they've done those rings? They

1126
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:16,680
Speaker 1: bore into the tree and take it out, and the

1127
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: rings on the wood and tells you how many years

1128
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 1: old the tree is. No, I just know you're counting

1129
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 1: them on the stone. Yeah, they got a machine or

1130
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 1: it's a little handheld deal that bores into the tree

1131
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 1: and it takes out a tube of the tree for

1132
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 1: lack of a better word, and they can count the

1133
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 1: rings and you can see that trees life where it

1134
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 1: had a drought year, it had a lot of rain,

1135
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 1: or it's starting to get enclosed. It's got too many

1136
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:44,599
Speaker 1: trees around it. And the rings will get shorter and

1137
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 1: shorter and shorter as the forest matures. And you do

1138
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 1: a selective harvest in an area like that and come

1139
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: back in ten years and do that same thing, and

1140
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 1: those rings are so far apart you can't even it

1141
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 1: doesn't look like it's the same tree like that tree kicking.

1142
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 1: Now it's got room to grow and there's some light

1143
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 1: through the forest. And we as human beings we want

1144
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 1: to see. Well I don't, and I'm sure you guys

1145
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,640
Speaker 1: don't either, being hunters. But people want to see a

1146
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: pristine forest. I hate that word. You know, Christine, There's

1147
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as pristine in the forest. If

1148
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 1: it's Christine, it needs some work. You know, if you

1149
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 1: can look six yards through an oak forest, there's nothing there.

1150
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 1: There's a few acorns at the end of August that

1151
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:37,680
Speaker 1: last what two weeks, and then then there's nothing. You

1152
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 1: need to cut that and open the timber up and

1153
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 1: allow some sunlight so you can have growth for deer

1154
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 1: and nesting cover for your turkeys and dere see food

1155
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:55,639
Speaker 1: and this fore ft fore ft of cover. They don't

1156
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 1: care about what's above them. They want they want something

1157
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 1: that they can hide in and even a while Turkey

1158
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 1: does too. Now, yeah, they like their open areas, but

1159
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:06,640
Speaker 1: they they need security. This a little off topic. Do

1160
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 1: you remember what it was they were given out at

1161
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 1: that Turkey calling contest for a prize? Yes, it's just

1162
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 1: ginormous trophy. The only trophy I've ever will that in

1163
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 1: co ed softball. That's the only two trophies I got

1164
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 1: in my house. You still got it now? Yeah? He

1165
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 1: carried around with you? Now, yeah, I dode. That's only

1166
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:25,680
Speaker 1: the only ones I kept. And that's not true, right.

1167
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 1: I won that Illinois Open, in Oklahoma Open, and some

1168
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 1: other little contests. But I don't have any of those

1169
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 1: trophies anymore, but I do have that one. Is there

1170
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: a group he's in uh Mouth, Turkey Colling. I don't

1171
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: know I got so I got so far away from it,

1172
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I haven't done it in so long.

1173
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 1: But there were some super guys that were that. We're

1174
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, it's a good group of fellas. And

1175
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 1: then you got into turkey guiding, guiding, turkey hunting. Yeah,

1176
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 1: when you do know, are you mostly um enjoying it

1177
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 1: or mostly not enjoying the company of the people you're guiding?

1178
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 1: You don't. When you don't do it for money, the

1179
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 1: the ego and pride leave and the enjoyment of it

1180
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 1: come in. Who's the egoing pride? Not mine? I have

1181
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 1: none left. But when when somebody is paying you for

1182
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 1: a service, they expect results, so it puts pressure on

1183
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 1: you too to make those results. And a lot of times,

1184
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 1: like today, turkey that wasn't doesn't want to cooperate and

1185
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 1: you really can't make them do what they don't want

1186
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 1: to do. And uh, you know, I got enough pressure

1187
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 1: in my life. I don't I don't need that. But

1188
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 1: you know, like Saturday, I lived for those days, so

1189
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:51,599
Speaker 1: you felt the guide and you felt that the the

1190
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 1: transaction of it made it less fun because the hunter

1191
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:59,719
Speaker 1: had expectations right, And I haven't. I haven't taken money

1192
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 1: for other than a few tips. I tried to talk,

1193
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:05,679
Speaker 1: I'm out. I've given me to him, but they still

1194
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 1: give me. But I haven't took money for guiding in cash.

1195
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 1: I don't even know how long. It's been a long time.

1196
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 1: And that makes you feel better about it, a lot better. Yeah,

1197
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 1: what were some of the things you've seen people do

1198
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:22,600
Speaker 1: when you're guiding that you didn't really like? Oh? Lord, one,

1199
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna name the guy's name because I don't

1200
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 1: know what the statue of limitations is, but he was

1201
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:31,679
Speaker 1: a baseball player at it, and he played for the Mets.

1202
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 1: He held the record for getting hit by a pitch

1203
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:36,600
Speaker 1: the most in one single season. It was like a

1204
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty times he got hit by a pitch, mean,

1205
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 1: horrible rough man that just was soft on the inside,

1206
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, a good, solid guy, but he was. He

1207
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:50,640
Speaker 1: just didn't put up with nothing. You know, everything was

1208
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:53,680
Speaker 1: a bench clearing brawl if it didn't go right. And

1209
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 1: you feel that that's a symptom of being soft on

1210
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 1: the inside. Yeah, he was a super soft guy. He

1211
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 1: was a good guy. I really liked him, you know,

1212
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,719
Speaker 1: even to this day, he's a he's a super guy.

1213
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 1: I kind of I don't really understand what you're saying.

1214
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 1: You're saying that he would fly off the handle. Yeah,

1215
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 1: but and that being a result of him being soft

1216
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 1: on the inside trying to hide it. That's my opinion.

1217
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying. That's my opinion of him.

1218
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 1: But he had soft tendencies but didn't like it. It

1219
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 1: didn't like that about him, so it wasn't gonna show it.

1220
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 1: And he would go over the top and pummel you

1221
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 1: if you thought that of him, which if he hears

1222
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 1: this podcast, he's probably gonna pummel me. But that's all right, goes, well,

1223
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 1: we'll pump him right back. But I took him out.

1224
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 1: He aggravated me for two years to take him turkey hunting.

1225
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 1: So I took him. We go out and it was

1226
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 1: kind of raining that morning, and I set up under

1227
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 1: a cedar tree and a glade and it was I

1228
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 1: don't know, it's probably ten o'clock and I didn't want

1229
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 1: to be there unclose one. It's raining and the sun

1230
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 1: he stops raining, the sun breaks through and me and

1231
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 1: him are sitting there shoulder shoulder. First time ever been

1232
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 1: turkey hunting. It was April twenty nine, a Friday. I

1233
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 1: remember it like it was yesterday. Man, I'm waiting for

1234
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 1: something real bad to have. It's pretty bad. And this

1235
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 1: this turkey gobbles just out of the blue about two

1236
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:15,600
Speaker 1: or fifty yards down on the off this glade, and

1237
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 1: we're in a perfect spot. I'm like, you gotta be

1238
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 1: kidding me, you know. I get him around, get his

1239
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:25,639
Speaker 1: gun up, and uh, the rain is dripping off the

1240
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 1: cedar trees, and there's just that little bit of miss

1241
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 1: you know, and I just it's like, all right, Rocke, Yeah,

1242
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he just was almost he couldn't because with

1243
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:44,599
Speaker 1: the guy shooting. Sorry, no, no, now you're talking. So

1244
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 1: it's skinting around, get his gun set up, and through

1245
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 1: this glade outsteps Ahin, just a beautiful little hen and

1246
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 1: she back at me and I called to her, and

1247
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 1: he gobbles and he steps out behind her, and it's

1248
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:01,559
Speaker 1: just one of those turkeys that you never get a chance.

1249
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 1: You know. He's got a foot long beard. It looks

1250
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 1: like as big as a coke can. It's just a

1251
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 1: humongous turkey. This is what you live for, you know.

1252
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, this is the biggest turkey I've

1253
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 1: seen this year. It's it. Please, you know, take your time,

1254
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: he said, I got this, Like all right, So I

1255
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 1: call a couple more times. Can you hit that gobble

1256
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 1: again when it's the right moment, Like this is it?

1257
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 1: You know, a gobbel straight at us a hundred and

1258
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 1: fifty yards a hundred yards and then she's about fifteen

1259
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 1: or twenty yards ahead of him. She's just walking and feeding,

1260
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 1: you know, And she gets on about twenty five yards

1261
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 1: and he's about fifty and he's just beautiful, the sun

1262
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 1: shining off of him. And I'm like, how am I

1263
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 1: gonna talk to this guy in a mountain this turkey?

1264
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 1: You know, because it's a trophy turkey, and I said,

1265
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 1: all right, let him take a few more go boom,

1266
01:16:56,840 --> 01:17:01,679
Speaker 1: and then just explodes into a cloud of feathers. Yeah,

1267
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, what in the beep beep and beef?

1268
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 1: You beef an idiot? Well I got the idiot out

1269
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 1: and that was the end of my trash talking him.

1270
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 1: I got a stern lesson and that he was paying

1271
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:17,799
Speaker 1: me for a service. He came here to kill a turkey,

1272
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 1: and by Lord above, that's what he did. And if

1273
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 1: I didn't like it, I could march my butt right

1274
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 1: on back to the truck, which is exactly what I did.

1275
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 1: I left him with his turkey right there in the

1276
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 1: woods and left professional baseball player. Yeah, shout the hand.

1277
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:37,679
Speaker 1: And he packed that thing around and showed it to people.

1278
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 1: They would have hung me, they would have put me

1279
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:43,479
Speaker 1: under the person, you know, but not him. He takes

1280
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 1: it and goes off and just as happy as he

1281
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 1: can be. It's like never again. I never took him

1282
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 1: again anything, never soft inside, soft inside. But that was

1283
01:17:56,320 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 1: that was his claim to fame. You know, you, Johannest

1284
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 1: does this. You do it, and your honest does it.

1285
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 1: I'm trying to learn how to do it where let's

1286
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:07,679
Speaker 1: say if I if I meet someone who just terrible,

1287
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 1: you know, I'll just feel like I don't like that guy.

1288
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 1: But um, yanni will will will try to find out

1289
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:19,759
Speaker 1: what it is that makes the guy that way. That's

1290
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 1: a tendency for me too, and then um right, you'll

1291
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 1: give him like the credit of the problem. Do you

1292
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:37,759
Speaker 1: know see what I'm saying? Yeah, as opposed just writing

1293
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 1: it off. As opposed to write it off, he'd be like, yeah,

1294
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 1: but he yeah, but he as an explanation, I think

1295
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 1: it's a more like gracious way to go through life.

1296
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 1: Be like, well, yeah, but he had a lot of

1297
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 1: problems with his dad, I understand as a way to

1298
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 1: like excuse the sort of behavior. That's man, I'll have

1299
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 1: our our fault, all of us. Yeah, dirt, I got

1300
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 1: no faults. Well, I guess chewing. Uh, you're like a

1301
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 1: hunter who doesn't hunt. That's it. I refuse, refuse, refuse

1302
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,759
Speaker 1: other than the relocation of a pest from time to time.

1303
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 1: Other than that, I'll never kill another animal. Had a

1304
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 1: pleasure do speechless at a little bit speechless? Well if

1305
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 1: at a point where okay, so at a point you

1306
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 1: would you say, did you imagine the point in your

1307
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 1: life you will say not only will I not I

1308
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 1: will not assist in the killing of another animal. Too

1309
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 1: much pleasure from people, too much excitement. I enjoy seeing

1310
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 1: that the look on people's faces, kids, women, adults, It

1311
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:07,759
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. I enjoy the excitement of it and seeing

1312
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 1: the thrill. Did you take your own kids hunting very much? Yeah?

1313
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 1: Do you take them hunting? And then think like, well,

1314
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:16,639
Speaker 1: I hope that they'll arrive at a point where they

1315
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 1: don't want this anymore like I did. Yeah, I do.

1316
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 1: I hope that that someday they reached the point where

1317
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 1: they want to help others see what they've got to

1318
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:28,679
Speaker 1: see in their lives. So what is it do you think?

1319
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 1: You're like, what is it that you're helping people to

1320
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:35,599
Speaker 1: see that there's another side the turkey hunting and deer hunting?

1321
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 1: That it's it's and I don't want to offend a

1322
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 1: ruffle any feathers, But don't worry about that, all right, Well,

1323
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 1: it's not about it's not about selling the next product

1324
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:49,600
Speaker 1: or making the next invention. You know. Tom Kelly was,

1325
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he's the greatest. He he loathed decoys, he

1326
01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 1: didn't feed corn, he didn't do anything, ain't wrong. He

1327
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:05,919
Speaker 1: just hunted turkeys. He wanted that battle of him against

1328
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 1: a turkey. And that's it's personal for me. Two match

1329
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 1: wits with one of them to know what he's thinking

1330
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 1: before he realizes what he's thinking. And by the time

1331
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 1: he realizes he's messed up, he's laying on his back

1332
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:25,639
Speaker 1: looking at the last sunset or sunrise he'll ever see.

1333
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 1: And that's a because I failed so many times that

1334
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 1: when I finally succeed, it's just I enjoy seeing that

1335
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 1: in other people's eyes. Well, my son, he was eight

1336
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 1: years old when he killed his first deer with a bowl,

1337
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 1: and uh, when he couldn't get he physically couldn't get

1338
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:51,000
Speaker 1: out of the tree. We had to sit there for

1339
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 1: an hour because his legs shook so bad. I knew

1340
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 1: that was it for me. I would never get that

1341
01:21:57,080 --> 01:22:00,759
Speaker 1: level of excitement, And why why would I kill anything

1342
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 1: if I'm not gonna be excited about it to his level?

1343
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,680
Speaker 1: And he still gets that way. He still gets if

1344
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 1: it's a dough or ten point buck. He's still both

1345
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 1: my kids are still that way. So the fun vanished,

1346
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 1: and I don't know if the fun the fund is there.

1347
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:21,680
Speaker 1: I love going out with him and sitting in the

1348
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 1: tree with him, and even with my wife, I enjoy

1349
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 1: sitting with her. I enjoy hunting with anybody that gets

1350
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 1: an excitement level out of it. But where I'm what

1351
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say is why would I harvest an

1352
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 1: animal if I can't get as excited as they could

1353
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 1: about it. I understand, I understand what you're getting that,

1354
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 1: but I just it's hard for me to I understand,

1355
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:50,800
Speaker 1: like the structure of what you're saying, but it's hard

1356
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 1: for me to understand a little bit because, for instance,

1357
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 1: when I was kids, we were hell on chipmunks. We

1358
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 1: learned how to hunt by hunting chipmunks. Today, I was

1359
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 1: having a conversation with you honest about how we were

1360
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 1: listening to some chipmunks. I'll say, man, we used to

1361
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 1: just really hunt hard. If we heard a chipmunk cutting

1362
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 1: loose chirping, we'd get baby guns and go after it.

1363
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:16,759
Speaker 1: But we didn't eat the chipmunks. Okay, So I would

1364
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 1: now like I now, when when I'm out with my

1365
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 1: kid and he's in that he's got that little kid

1366
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: thing where you want to get everything in the woods,

1367
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, because that's right, we're all here for squirrels.

1368
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that. That's not something people eat.

1369
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 1: It's not something we're gonna eat. So no, but here

1370
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 1: I am okay. So here, I am like I've engaged

1371
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 1: in this activity. I used to engage this activity, and

1372
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 1: it's something I enjoy doing, and I learned how to

1373
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 1: hunt that way. But I've decided that I'm like, you

1374
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 1: know what, I don't like that that happened. Looking back

1375
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 1: on it, I'm not gonna tell my kid not to

1376
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:02,599
Speaker 1: do something that I did. My kids are raised very

1377
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:05,679
Speaker 1: differently than I was raised, so that so that is true,

1378
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:09,720
Speaker 1: very true, very different than I was raising. You know,

1379
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 1: my mom and dad worked daylight the dark. Um. I

1380
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:19,280
Speaker 1: can remember packing a shotgun to school. Yeah, I was

1381
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:21,679
Speaker 1: seven miles from my house to school. I was turkey

1382
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:23,720
Speaker 1: hunting all the way to school. Leave my shotgun on

1383
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 1: my camouflage, leaned up against a big oak tree on

1384
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 1: the south of the playground, and I go to school.

1385
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 1: I come out of school, pick my stuff up, and

1386
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:35,600
Speaker 1: walk back home. It wasn't it was just part of it.

1387
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I want to go to that school when

1388
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 1: I man, when when I was I remember when they

1389
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:46,559
Speaker 1: banned guns on campus, and we'd always go hunting after

1390
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 1: school and I run my trap lines after school, and

1391
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 1: we went down saying, well, this isn't gonna work because

1392
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 1: um right, you have to have it, and like, oh, yeah,

1393
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 1: you know that's okay, That's not what we meant. It

1394
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 1: was just you just had to go let the principle

1395
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 1: know that you weren't going to follow that rule, and

1396
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 1: he saw us out whether he thought it was okay

1397
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 1: for you to not follow or not. There's different times

1398
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 1: back then, different times every guy in our class had

1399
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 1: a gun rack and a gun in his back of

1400
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 1: his truck, you know. I mean, it's just it was

1401
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 1: part of our our culture, and we've let that go

1402
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:26,519
Speaker 1: because of some bad decisions. I have a few messed

1403
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:32,520
Speaker 1: up people. We've all got to pay pay for it. Yeah,

1404
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 1: but I gotta tell a story my dad, and then

1405
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 1: I'm done because you you brought U the chipmunk shooting

1406
01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 1: the chipmunks. Mine was Turkey's all right. My dad had

1407
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 1: this box of paper Peter's shotgun shells, twenty five of them.

1408
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 1: I mean, when he used to not be plastic with

1409
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 1: paper paper. And people probably don't know this. The casing

1410
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 1: was paper. My great grandfather, who I'm named after, give

1411
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:58,400
Speaker 1: him those shells, and he was so proud of him. Well,

1412
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 1: jan any worry. First, I got banned from using the shotgun.

1413
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:06,599
Speaker 1: I couldn't kill turkeys anymore. I was in trouble, bad grades.

1414
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 1: I couldn't hunt that spring. Well, that just tore me up.

1415
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 1: So he took all my and I you know, are

1416
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 1: you not academically inclined? No? I graduated with point one

1417
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 1: percent one percentage point. You know. If there was classes

1418
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 1: on turkeys and deer hunting, I just I would have

1419
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 1: aced it. But I didn't have time for school. There

1420
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 1: was hunting and drinking beer and other things to do.

1421
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 1: But you knew how to read good. And I'm not

1422
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 1: superably stupid. I made some bad decisions, but I'm not

1423
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 1: a complete idiot. But anyway, those shills set inside this

1424
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 1: little drawer where we had dinner at and uh so,

1425
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:51,679
Speaker 1: turkey season come around and I'll sit there one morning

1426
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 1: and a turkey starts to going across from the house.

1427
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:57,559
Speaker 1: So I got it. I got it. He had old

1428
01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:01,320
Speaker 1: twelve games that he left in the corner and old Winchester.

1429
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:05,200
Speaker 1: I got one paper shell out of there. Slid in.

1430
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 1: The gun closed it it closed. You know, everything was good.

1431
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 1: I wont what I wonder. So they were off to work.

1432
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:14,760
Speaker 1: I sneak up the ridge and the gun goes off

1433
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 1: and I killed the turkey. Well the papers, you know,

1434
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 1: it didn't expand like today's plastic shells. So I just

1435
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 1: took all the shells upside down and put the paper

1436
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 1: one on the bottom. That's a good thinking. No one's

1437
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:31,559
Speaker 1: ever going to No one's ever gonna know. Fast forward

1438
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 1: three Turkey seasons, and uh, grades hadn't got any better,

1439
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 1: and uh I was keeping the local neighbors supplied in

1440
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 1: Turkey breast. But we had this couple my mom and

1441
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,599
Speaker 1: my mom worked for this guy and real high faluting

1442
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 1: guy and mom and dad and mom they cleaned the

1443
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 1: house then everything, had this big dinner for him. They

1444
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 1: come over to the house and we're all sitting around

1445
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:58,240
Speaker 1: the table and we just finished eaton and my dad says,

1446
01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 1: they had a guy, you know, every deal with guns.

1447
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 1: And he says, oh yeah, yeah, and he gets up.

1448
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 1: He goes out in the car and he brings back

1449
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:07,800
Speaker 1: this gun. He says, this gun my great grandfather gave me.

1450
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:12,719
Speaker 1: And I thought, oh shoot, he says, I got something

1451
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:15,160
Speaker 1: my my my grandpa gave me. And he turns around

1452
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:17,640
Speaker 1: and he reaches in that box and he picks up

1453
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 1: this empty case of paper shotgun shells, and right in

1454
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 1: the middle of dinner, he just chucks them at me.

1455
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:27,759
Speaker 1: You little bee beep beep beep. I knew, I knew better.

1456
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:30,600
Speaker 1: I knew it. So we had this huge family squabble

1457
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:33,160
Speaker 1: in front of this high fluid couple that mom and

1458
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 1: Dad really laid out the red carpet for. Because I

1459
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:40,600
Speaker 1: shot every single one of those shows, there wasn't a

1460
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 1: one of them left. I still think grabbed my great

1461
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 1: grandpa for that box of shells because Peoter, did we

1462
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:53,240
Speaker 1: name all the dishes? I think I think we got

1463
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 1: to the ball cloth man, do you have anything? Do

1464
01:28:55,360 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 1: you have anything you wanna wedge in there? Uh? Yeah, clarify.

1465
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 1: I just I'd had to say that I learned a

1466
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 1: lot over the last couple of days about turkey. And

1467
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:13,639
Speaker 1: it was even though I didn't put one in uh

1468
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 1: in the freezer first turkey just last spring sure did

1469
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 1: yeah over in Montana. So now you're learning what it's

1470
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:25,600
Speaker 1: like to lose. Yeah, but no, it was very educational

1471
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:27,800
Speaker 1: because last year when I got it was it was

1472
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:30,960
Speaker 1: a quick I had a bird on the ground within

1473
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 1: within an hour of being being out and about. So

1474
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:39,920
Speaker 1: this year was good because I learned way more about

1475
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:45,719
Speaker 1: the the whole process, and obviously I had some good uh,

1476
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:50,640
Speaker 1: some good good guys to to lead that what's your

1477
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 1: favorite what's your favorite thing about turks so far? Uh,

1478
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:57,400
Speaker 1: just the interaction, you know, getting out there and hearing

1479
01:29:57,479 --> 01:30:02,760
Speaker 1: that that gobbl in the morning and se crazy beautiful

1480
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 1: noise they make. Yeah, and then just to kind of

1481
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:10,840
Speaker 1: have that kind of that conversation with him. Yeah. I

1482
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:13,679
Speaker 1: I thoroughly enjoyed it, even though it, uh, it didn't

1483
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:16,479
Speaker 1: turn out in my favor. I die really really enjoyed

1484
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 1: getting out there and sitting and just covering some ground

1485
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:23,840
Speaker 1: and seeing seeing what it was all about. And hopefully

1486
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:27,000
Speaker 1: do it again next spring. Oh you'll get one next spring, man,

1487
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:33,679
Speaker 1: no doubt my mind. Mark Kenyon Final thoughts. Yeah, housing,

1488
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 1: flip pops, feeling really good, gotta air this, Yeah out

1489
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:40,800
Speaker 1: at night and I was wearing the big stomp clumpers

1490
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:44,599
Speaker 1: all day, rubber boots, So any of these pretty badly

1491
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:49,320
Speaker 1: final thoughts. It's just a great weekend. I mean yesterday

1492
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:51,680
Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. We're able to me and

1493
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:53,720
Speaker 1: dirt were able to get the job done firstly in

1494
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 1: the morning, which is a blast, and then uh probably

1495
01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:00,240
Speaker 1: other than that though in the camaraderie was stand out

1496
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:03,439
Speaker 1: as Pooter, the founder of the feast, You put on

1497
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:10,840
Speaker 1: an unbelievable culinary extravaganza. I think I gained ten pounds

1498
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 1: some great, great food. Who's my favorite cook's taste? Yeah?

1499
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:22,120
Speaker 1: Mine as well. It was great, great time, Dirtmouth. Yeah,

1500
01:31:22,120 --> 01:31:26,000
Speaker 1: I'd second what Mark said in uh the two hunts,

1501
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:29,479
Speaker 1: I gotta hunt with you honest as well. Both Mark

1502
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:33,280
Speaker 1: and your honest got their birds. The light for my

1503
01:31:33,439 --> 01:31:37,600
Speaker 1: craft was untouchable. It was just amazing the beauty of

1504
01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:44,040
Speaker 1: this area. And Michigan was the final state. So have

1505
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:46,559
Speaker 1: you I want to touch on this? Yeah, it was.

1506
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:49,760
Speaker 1: So do you have to say you've ben the state?

1507
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:53,080
Speaker 1: You get figured you gotta sleep there or just you

1508
01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 1: don't kind like the airport layover? So how do you

1509
01:31:56,360 --> 01:32:01,439
Speaker 1: count it? Yeah, like get a sense of the area,

1510
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:04,719
Speaker 1: even if it's brief, But yeah, not a not counting

1511
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 1: like a connection flight or anything. It doesn't need to

1512
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:11,040
Speaker 1: be a sleepover. No, But I think I have probably

1513
01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:15,320
Speaker 1: every state at it at least a night plus. I

1514
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:19,080
Speaker 1: did a big trip too long to get into it.

1515
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:23,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, I felt like all the states prior to

1516
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:28,320
Speaker 1: Michigan was more than just a check on the board,

1517
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:32,120
Speaker 1: and now Michigan feels that same kind of role. It

1518
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:36,639
Speaker 1: was amazing, amazing time here it's ladies and gentlemen, dirt

1519
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:40,840
Speaker 1: myth um fifty states. Yeah, you can look down on

1520
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:45,599
Speaker 1: him because he's a slave to a substance. It doesn't

1521
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:51,479
Speaker 1: have the level of discipline to stop doing something that's

1522
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:56,439
Speaker 1: killing him by rotting his jaw off. However, there's always

1523
01:32:56,439 --> 01:32:58,960
Speaker 1: a balance. But however, he's visited off and he did.

1524
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:01,880
Speaker 1: Is there really a term for that? Is there a title?

1525
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:06,040
Speaker 1: Like there's the Turkey Grand Slam Holders. They're like state

1526
01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 1: Grand Slam. You're a Grand slamdholder, State Grand Slam. Yeah,

1527
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 1: I'm at forty nine. There's one missing, good that you

1528
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:20,519
Speaker 1: got any questions for him to know how the clothes

1529
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 1: are down? The one missing for me is Louisiana, which

1530
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:27,479
Speaker 1: I know because we were on our way there. I

1531
01:33:27,479 --> 01:33:29,280
Speaker 1: tell the story all the time. We're on our way there.

1532
01:33:31,479 --> 01:33:35,640
Speaker 1: We are down in Mississippi. I think we started out

1533
01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:40,280
Speaker 1: in Memphis. We're headed through Mississippi, got to like Clarksdale,

1534
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:44,360
Speaker 1: home of the Blues. The crossroads were Devil where we

1535
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:47,720
Speaker 1: went to the Crosswolds where supposedly Robert Johnson sold his

1536
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:51,120
Speaker 1: soul to the Devil. I was like, I'm gonna get

1537
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:52,519
Speaker 1: out of the the car. My friend I was like, don't

1538
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:55,400
Speaker 1: get out of the car. Um and then continued on

1539
01:33:55,439 --> 01:33:59,160
Speaker 1: our way and we're going to New Orleans and on

1540
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:02,120
Speaker 1: the news is like, we're there's like a big weather

1541
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 1: event fixing to happen. And the more we go, the

1542
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 1: more serious the weather event is. And it winds up

1543
01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 1: being that there's closing some stuff and evacuating some stuff.

1544
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:16,280
Speaker 1: And we bailed. That was Hurricane Katrina, so it wasn't

1545
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:19,639
Speaker 1: it wasn't faded, so it was like we Yeah, so

1546
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:21,559
Speaker 1: we could have made it into town in time to

1547
01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:25,720
Speaker 1: take part in that whole rodeo. Good decisions. Yeah, left

1548
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:28,679
Speaker 1: named print. Oh, speaking of calling that a rodeo, there's

1549
01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:30,479
Speaker 1: a clarification. The guy wrote in I want to touch

1550
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:33,559
Speaker 1: on real quick where he says we were. He was saying,

1551
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:38,000
Speaker 1: getting western and getting squirrely are very different. Oh, I'd

1552
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:45,160
Speaker 1: agreeing Western means risk of injury. How would I describe

1553
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:49,000
Speaker 1: my physical danger squirrely? I would say too, Yeah, he's

1554
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:51,559
Speaker 1: like you could like mess up the fletching on your

1555
01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:54,519
Speaker 1: air on it shoots a little squirrely, yeah, or like

1556
01:34:55,000 --> 01:35:00,640
Speaker 1: Garrett was giving me eyes today in the blind. Western's

1557
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:05,920
Speaker 1: far different. Yeah. Yeah, if you're blind with another man

1558
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:07,800
Speaker 1: and you were just saying, man, I thought I was

1559
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:13,679
Speaker 1: gonna get Western. That's different than let's get if you said,

1560
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:16,360
Speaker 1: like I was in a blind with dirt and things

1561
01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:21,480
Speaker 1: got a little squirrely, No harm done. But his clarification

1562
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:23,719
Speaker 1: was that there has to be a risk of physical

1563
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 1: harm is explicit with with within Western, and squirreliness does

1564
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:35,520
Speaker 1: not slight hearted. Yeah, get something being a little squirrelly

1565
01:35:36,040 --> 01:35:39,519
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that the physical harm is going to result

1566
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:43,040
Speaker 1: from that. Yeah, did you have any final thoughts? We

1567
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:48,680
Speaker 1: always say Western when there's uh hunting, when there's like

1568
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:52,360
Speaker 1: too much shooting going on. The first shot didn't really

1569
01:35:52,439 --> 01:35:56,320
Speaker 1: connect properly, but you decided to keep on shooting. Things

1570
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:58,400
Speaker 1: got a little Western. You've got a little Western. Dude

1571
01:35:58,439 --> 01:36:02,920
Speaker 1: got West like a shootout? Oh gosh, Yeah, that was so,

1572
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:06,920
Speaker 1: what is it when you get to Eastern? Things got

1573
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:11,400
Speaker 1: a little Eastern? I don't know what got Western tonight.

1574
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:13,920
Speaker 1: That guy with the oh the guy that was just

1575
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:17,720
Speaker 1: shooting up the store. Steve Texas is like if that

1576
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:24,240
Speaker 1: gun ain't said and now, yeah, that's just coming from

1577
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:26,000
Speaker 1: a guy who's sort of like I used to love

1578
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:27,920
Speaker 1: to just shoot, and we're kids would just go shoot

1579
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:30,719
Speaker 1: for Christmas. We get those you know that the sells

1580
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:34,880
Speaker 1: milk cartons, ammo, we just go like, burned through a

1581
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:39,880
Speaker 1: whole milk cart in its twenty two rounds. Now now

1582
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:42,320
Speaker 1: it's did not even that. It's just like, no, I

1583
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:46,000
Speaker 1: just it's just very like it's like a functional thing,

1584
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:49,439
Speaker 1: Like I no longer just like to just go down

1585
01:36:49,479 --> 01:36:55,519
Speaker 1: and just what we call plank just blast. It's just loud. Yeah,

1586
01:36:55,640 --> 01:36:58,920
Speaker 1: it's like loud. That wasn't a two today, Oh no, no,

1587
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 1: it was you were he worked in the twenty two later. Yeah,

1588
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:05,840
Speaker 1: that double comma was like fireworks. Just my view on

1589
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:08,840
Speaker 1: recreational shooting is it's just it's just like loud, you know.

1590
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:11,639
Speaker 1: And when we used to just shoot, shoot, shoot all

1591
01:37:11,680 --> 01:37:13,280
Speaker 1: the time, I never thought about what it means for

1592
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:16,080
Speaker 1: some guy who's out like we were tonight, Like that guy,

1593
01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:18,479
Speaker 1: he's oblivious to the fact that we're out creeping around

1594
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:23,800
Speaker 1: the woods. Yeah, we're trying to We're trying to film

1595
01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:26,559
Speaker 1: an interview. And we had like ten different takes where

1596
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:30,360
Speaker 1: I'd start and then start shooting, stop agatting, like okay, wait, wait, okay,

1597
01:37:30,360 --> 01:37:35,840
Speaker 1: now go that was getting western for sure. I thought

1598
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:38,919
Speaker 1: it was somebody could have gotten home. He was decidedly squirreling.

1599
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:45,200
Speaker 1: Any um, yeah, um, I think I want to go home,

1600
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:48,400
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, we have a giant flock of chickens,

1601
01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:51,000
Speaker 1: but I think when I'm missing at home is a

1602
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:54,760
Speaker 1: couple of henriettas. Yeah. He was telling me this tonight

1603
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:58,120
Speaker 1: when we were sitting there just observing. You're in Poot's hunt.

1604
01:37:58,720 --> 01:38:01,559
Speaker 1: I'm not saying' gonna become a Laics caller, but I

1605
01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:04,880
Speaker 1: figure my next spring to Turkey season, you won't even

1606
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:10,440
Speaker 1: be able to get near me my turkey calling skills.

1607
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:22,480
Speaker 1: Spent a whole year with Henrietta just listening. That's your concluder. Yeah, um,

1608
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:26,080
Speaker 1: do you guys have room for a turkey? Oh yeah,

1609
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:31,080
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to this plenty. So, guys, Zuck, can

1610
01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:33,040
Speaker 1: you tell us your what your what was your guy's

1611
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:35,880
Speaker 1: family name before you guys Shorten it to Zuck Zuk

1612
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:43,799
Speaker 1: and hyphen Snyder or something. Guys, Zuck, thank you uh

1613
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:47,679
Speaker 1: for coming on the show and uh and talking about turkey. Calm, guys.

1614
01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:49,240
Speaker 1: I just want to say it was a pleasure having

1615
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:52,439
Speaker 1: y'all and give a shout out to our host. Thanks

1616
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:55,840
Speaker 1: thanks to him for letting us be together, and I

1617
01:38:55,880 --> 01:38:59,400
Speaker 1: hope to do it all again someday. We'll be back.

1618
01:38:59,439 --> 01:39:02,160
Speaker 1: Here is a fun place to hang out, So thank you.

1619
01:39:02,200 --> 01:39:05,679
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold you to that. We're coming alright. Brother,

1620
01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:07,560
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. H