1 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: We listened, so what did we hear? Welcome Bird Gang. 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: On today's show, Danny Surrek joins me. A week out 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: from the twenty twenty five NFL Draft, GM montiasin Ford 4 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: and head coach Jonathan Gannon met the media. We dissect 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: their pre draft press conference. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: eight seventy and it starts now. 7 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: POA Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable? 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 10 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast. Visit Azycardinals 11 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: dot com slash podcast. 12 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again, 13 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: so more hurry magic. 14 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 2: Whow Here's Craig Griolo. 15 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: So are we sick of the pre draft talk yet 16 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: because we're almost done? Or Danny? Do you do enjoy 17 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:08,839 Speaker 1: the talk, the chatter, the gissing, predicting, speculation, both both. 18 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: I do think you reach a point where, maybe in 19 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: February leading into the scouting combine, you do enjoy the talk. 20 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: Getting to know these draft prospects and looking at mock 21 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: drafts and the different takes and then all of a sudden, 22 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: you reach this point here a week out and you're like, okay, 23 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: let's just get to it already. 24 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 3: It's waves. 25 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 4: The combine is definitely a wave. And then you get 26 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 4: another wave in free agency, especially when you're a team 27 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 4: as active as the Cardinals were and addressing needs, big 28 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 4: needs for the team, and so you talk about the 29 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 4: acquisitions and how that transfers over to draft needs if 30 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 4: it changes anything at all. 31 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 3: And now we're at the. 32 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 4: Point where it's like, Okay, I'm ready for the draft. 33 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 4: We're a week away, so that's great news. Well a 34 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 4: week in a day from recording this close enough to 35 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 4: a week. 36 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way, if you want, I want to 37 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: be a part of the first round and the spectacular 38 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: that is or the spectacle that is day one Thursday 39 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: April twenty fourth one or mind everyone, you can be 40 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: a parts of the draft party the official Arizona Cardinals 41 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: Draft Party at State Farm Stadium Thursday April twenty fourth, 42 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: four to nine pm and mission is free, Parking is free. 43 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: We do ask that you got Azycardinals dot com forward 44 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: slash Draft Party to register for digital tickets. Our colleague 45 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: Paul calvic am seeing the events Cardinal players, Cardinals cheerleaders 46 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: Big Red all will be in attendance, and yes, a 47 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: special post draft fireworks show following the conclusion of round one. 48 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 4: You had me at Paul Calvec. Not really, because I'll 49 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 4: be here in the building. If I didn't have work 50 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 4: obligations here, I would be there for Paul. 51 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: Funny, Paul does not get mentioned in the press release 52 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: for item. That's why I always throw it in every 53 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:52,839 Speaker 1: single time. 54 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 3: You're a good friend. 55 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: Come to meet Paul. On Wednesday, we actually came here 56 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: and met with the general manager, the Austin Ford, and 57 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: the head coach, Jonathan Gannon about a thirty minutes pre 58 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: draft press conference. It's an annual ritual before we get 59 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: into what was said and maybe what was not said. 60 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: I just want to point this out to everyone that 61 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: might have been watching the stream or going back on 62 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: Easycardinals dot com and watching some of the comments. A 63 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: person's cell phone went off and many Austin Ford mentioned 64 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: that that's a fine and mentioned the reporter's first name 65 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: just happens to share the first name of myself. I 66 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: want to make sure it's very clear for everyone that 67 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: it was not my cell phone. 68 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 3: I don't know Craig. 69 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 4: I was sitting there at the same press conference, and 70 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 4: I cannot confirm nor deny that you are the Craig 71 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 4: he was referencing. 72 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: That is true because you were in the first row 73 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: and I was in the third row. Okay, but it was. 74 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 3: Not to be determined. 75 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: It was not myself cell phone. All right. Here we 76 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: are year three for Moni and JG going into the 77 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five NFL Draft. Last year eleven picks going 78 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: into the draft, they made twelve selections. This year they 79 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: have six, one in each of the first five rounds 80 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: and then a seventh round pick. A little bit different though, 81 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: and I believe it was the first question asked Demani 82 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: this year compared to the two previous years, because year 83 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: one third overall, Year two fourth overall. Now here in 84 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: round one they've got a waits until pick sixteen. Now 85 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: it's where you want to be. In fact, you actually 86 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: want to be in the late twenties, if we're being 87 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: honest with ourselves. But it's the hard part now when 88 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: the draft is upon us, that you have to sit 89 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: and waits and you like certain players and they go 90 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: off the board, do you get a little anxious? Do 91 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: you hit the panic button. We've got to get trade 92 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: up to get our guy, or are you calm and 93 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: relaxed going no, We've got a half a dozen players 94 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: that we're comfortable with. We'll just wait to see who 95 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: falls to us. 96 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 3: You have to be patient. 97 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,559 Speaker 4: You don't want to be nervous or anxious and start 98 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 4: making emotional decision rather than logical ones. Now awesome for 99 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 4: it does not seem to strike me as someone who 100 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 4: is making emotional decisions, especially with the sort of preparation 101 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,559 Speaker 4: he and his scouting department in the front office, along 102 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 4: with the coaching stuff all do leading up to draft weekend. 103 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 4: It is gonna be a lot of sit around and wait. 104 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 4: Even if the Cardinals do end up making a trade 105 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 4: of some sort, that's not something that's going to happen 106 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 4: until the Cardinals would be on the clock or the 107 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 4: team they would trade with. And so when you're at sixteen, 108 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 4: I would imagine those serious conversations aren't going to start 109 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 4: occurring until probably around pick eleven or twelve. It's gonna 110 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 4: be closer to sixteen, especially because the first round it's 111 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 4: ten minutes when you're on the clock, so there's a 112 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 4: lot of time to have some phone conversations there, So 113 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 4: it is gonna be a lot of sit around and wait. 114 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 4: And while awesome Ford confirmed that their board is roughly 115 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 4: ninety five percent done, they're going to leave a little 116 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 4: wiggle room because you don't really know what's going to happen, 117 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,559 Speaker 4: especially with the draft class this year. When you're looking 118 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 4: at the projections the top ten, it's not as solidifies 119 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 4: as it typically is in years past, which hindsight is 120 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 4: always twenty twenty. Given the first couple of years of 121 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 4: what this front office has wanted to do, kind of 122 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 4: turning the tide of things first two years to have 123 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 4: as many picks as they did, that's the time to 124 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 4: do it. That is the time to really rebuild from 125 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 4: the ground up when you're talking about performance on the field, 126 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 4: when you're talking about setting a new standard with the 127 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 4: culture and having buy and that comes from younger players. 128 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 4: So there's going to be a year in the first 129 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 4: three where you drop to half the amount of picks. 130 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 4: I would want it to go from two to three 131 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 4: because the Cardinals have such a strong foundation now and 132 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 4: that's because of the work and the amount of picks 133 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 4: that they have had, and that doesn't always guarantee that 134 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 4: the foundation's going to be set. The fact that they 135 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 4: had twelve picks and they got as many solid reps 136 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 4: from rookies last year as they did is very impressive. 137 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 4: So I'm not stressed about only having quote unquote only 138 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 4: having six picks because one, again, the foundation is set. 139 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,559 Speaker 4: You're looking at the veteran pieces that have been brought 140 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 4: in with proven production throughout free agency, and truthfully, awesome 141 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 4: for it has proven that he is good in the draft. 142 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 4: He is drafting the right type of players, the right 143 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 4: type of people, and then you pair that with Jonathan 144 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 4: Gannon and his coaching staff and how they have gotten 145 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 4: the most out of these young players. I know you're 146 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 4: sitting at sixteen and that might not be a sexy 147 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 4: pick for fans, but you got to feel good about 148 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 4: what you have seen from this staff the. 149 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 3: First two years. 150 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: All twenty one picks in those first two drafts remain 151 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: on the roster, and that's unheard of. As you mentioned, 152 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: it is a difficult draft to predict this season. Outside 153 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: of maybe the top three, and maybe there's some there's 154 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: not really a consensus in the top three. So if 155 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: you don't have a lot of picks, and we were 156 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis at the scouting combine and the amounts of 157 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:03,239 Speaker 1: depth that they have at certain positions within this draft 158 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: sixteen is not a bad spot to be in because, yeah, 159 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: you might like different players, but every team is going 160 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: to have its own evaluation, and what you believe might 161 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: be a top three defensive player could be another team's 162 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: bottom three if you're looking at the top ten or whatever. 163 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: There's that much uncertainty and how do you evaluate what 164 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: you need as a team first and foremost what kind 165 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: of person you're bringing into this Cardinals locker room. That 166 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: was made very clear several different times on Wednesday. It's 167 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: the person first, then the player. Then what role do 168 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: we see that player within our system, whether it's offense 169 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: or defense. 170 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 4: That's not lip surface when you look at the rookies 171 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 4: and the free agents that haven't brought into this building 172 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 4: with Austin Ford at the helm, so that is a 173 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:00,080 Speaker 4: very real ranking of what they're looking for and play 174 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 4: is the person first and then the player and making 175 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 4: sure you're one not only going to be a good 176 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 4: player in this game, you're also going to be somebody 177 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 4: who isn't selfish. You're going to put the team above yourself, 178 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 4: because that's how ultimately you are going to win and 179 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 4: win on a consistent basis. 180 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 3: I think. 181 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 4: I think it's just it's very interesting when you're talking 182 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 4: about the draft and sixteen specifically, because not every team 183 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 4: is in a great position. Not every team necessarily at 184 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 4: sixteen would be in as good of a position as 185 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 4: Arizona is. When you're looking at what the needs of 186 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 4: this team are and where the depth is now from 187 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 4: draft analysts and experts, there isn't a ton of quote 188 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 4: unquote star power right but if you're going to look 189 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 4: at the positions that have the most of that in 190 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 4: terms of players that could come in and be a 191 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 4: starter for you right away, the top positions defensive line, 192 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 4: edge and offensive lineman. 193 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 3: Not as much depth on. 194 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 4: The O line. The good news for the cardinalson at 195 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 4: as all three of those positions are still in need. 196 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 4: The discussion has tweaked just a little bit given the 197 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 4: amount of attention that the defensive line in the edge 198 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 4: room has received in free agency, leaning the question of 199 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 4: does offensive line now take precedence because that depth is 200 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 4: not there the way it is for the other positions. 201 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 4: At maybe forty seven, their first pick in the second round. 202 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 4: I still think that defensive line and edge are very 203 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 4: much on the table, and I feel that way even 204 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 4: more so after hearing what Austin Fort had to say, 205 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 4: because when you look at the depth in those rooms, 206 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 4: not a lot of contracts pass twenty twenty six. Not 207 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 4: a lot of contracts of those have guaranteed money into 208 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,839 Speaker 4: twenty twenty six, So things could change after this twenty 209 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 4: twenty five season. So if there's a year where you 210 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 4: are looking to add depth at a position that has 211 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 4: a lot of the quality in this draft, I am 212 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 4: all for striking while the iron is hot and taking 213 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 4: a defensive lineman or an edge sixteen. 214 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: Still, yes, the Cardinals added Josh Sweat, they re signed 215 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: Baron Browning, they added Dalvin Tomlinson, they have a young 216 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: Darius Robinson coming back. Justin Jones bowl All Nichols, you 217 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: resign LJ. Collier, Kalaias Campbell is back in the building. 218 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: That's a solid defensive front. Yet at the same time, 219 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: to your point, Okay, how many of those players are 220 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: signed long term contracts? How do those look beyond twenty 221 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: twenty five? Because the draft is not just about the now, 222 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: it's about the presence and the future. And then, as 223 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: Mani mentioned, injuries happen during the course of a season, 224 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: and who's to say the ten defensive lineman the Cardinals 225 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: currently have on the roster, or the seven outside linebackers, 226 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: what happens between now and September When you make your 227 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: final cuts, you know, you think about our gay how 228 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: many are you gonna keep? And I can name seven 229 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: defensive linemen, Well, chances are pretty good that not all 230 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: seven that everyone believes are going to be your week 231 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: one week one depth chart might not all be healthy 232 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: week one. Now, all of a sudden, you need that depth. 233 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: And that's I think that's why I'm in complete agreement 234 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: with you. Yes, the Cardinals are in position to where 235 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: at sixteen they can go any direction they want to 236 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: go offense defense. But to me, it goes back to 237 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, whether that's O line or D line, 238 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: because of the depth and the uncertainty, and those are 239 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: high injury positions along that line of scrimmage, that anything 240 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: can change between now and that first game in September. 241 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 4: When I had asked Awesome for it about that in 242 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 4: their joint press conference, of defensive line and edge are 243 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 4: two position rooms that are being projected to have not 244 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 4: only the depth, but the most star power and quality 245 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 4: of their other positions in this draft. And those are 246 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 4: also two position groups that have been addressed heavily in 247 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 4: free agency. And I the GM how that, if at all, 248 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 4: affects the philosophy at sixteen of it's not the same 249 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 4: type of need that we had before a couple of 250 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 4: weeks ago. And he said that they don't make a 251 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 4: specific position a priority in the first round per se 252 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 4: based on what they have done in free agency. So 253 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 4: they just care about good football players and good people. 254 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 4: So if they feel like at sixteen the right pick 255 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 4: for them to elevate this team and bring in competition 256 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 4: for the short term and the long term success is 257 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 4: on the defensive side of the ball, then that's what 258 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 4: they're going to do. I completely understand the argument though, 259 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 4: of offensive line at this point, do they feel strongly 260 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 4: and the projected starters right now for all five I'm 261 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 4: sure they would say yes. I could also understand why 262 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 4: people would maybe have question marks there, and when you're 263 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 4: talking about depth and injuries and the need of versatility there. 264 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 4: So it's a really intriguing conversation. Assuming that the Cardinals 265 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 4: even stay at sixteen because we know that is also 266 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 4: a possibility to not be the case. So I think 267 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 4: either way, if you go right now, defensive line edge 268 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 4: or offensive linemen at sixteen, I don't think there's a 269 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 4: wrong choice in that. 270 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: I can talk myself into cornerback. Sure, I can talk 271 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: myself into wide receiver even but it's. 272 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 3: Further along I can do that. 273 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: It's further along down my list of priorities because you 274 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: can make the case certainly at cornerback you can never 275 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: have enough, and there's some uncertainty within that room right 276 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: now with some young players not quite proven themselves completely. 277 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: And then wide receiver, Yeah, you got Marvin Harrison junior, 278 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: but who after that do you really have one hundred 279 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: percent belief in moving forward? Yes, Michael Wilson is a 280 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: great possession receiver, but he's really taken that next step forward. 281 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: And then within this offense, the argument that I'm gonna 282 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: make against myself is, Okay, you've got Marvin, but Ally 283 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: McBride right now is your number one pass catcher. Don't 284 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: forget about James Connor. And yes, Kyler Murray is an 285 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: offensive weapon, So how much do you really need another 286 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: wide receiver, especially when you're talking about that sixteenth overall pick. 287 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 4: I agree with you that something has to be elevated 288 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 4: from what we saw in the pass the game last year. 289 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 4: It was not consistent. And while I think it's great 290 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 4: to have the type of as Kyler Murray say, security 291 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 4: blanket and a tied end and Trey McBride and as 292 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 4: reliable as McBride is as a pass catcher, you drafted 293 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison Junior fourth overall, and I think it's a 294 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 4: strong argument to say you want him to be your 295 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 4: number one receiver and you need more out of him, 296 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 4: and therefore you need more out of the pieces around 297 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 4: him to help that. My follow up question to you is, 298 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 4: I don't disagree that you probably need help in that 299 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 4: wide receiver's room. Is that help at sixteen or are 300 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 4: you stretching there at that point? 301 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: It depends on who's there and how they evaluate that 302 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: particular wide receiver. Is it a tall wide receiver, is 303 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: it someone who's got some Is it a wide receiver? Again, 304 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: whether that's sixteen or forty seven, if it's among your 305 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: first two days, is there a wide receiver out there 306 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: that can be that potential push Michael Wilson to be 307 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: that two or at least be a solid three, but 308 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: also have the ability to return punts or maybe even 309 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: push DJ Dallas as kickoff return because now all of 310 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: a sudden, if you are that second or third wide receiver, 311 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: you might not be getting as many touches, but your 312 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: value elevates because you're valuable to Jeff Rodgers, especially returning punts. 313 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 3: And what are you doing with Greg Dortch. 314 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: Well, Greg Dortch technically right now, not on the roster 315 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: Dann He's only been tendered. I mean, he's not going anywhere. 316 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: He's gonna be there, but that's just the player right now. 317 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: We always bring up Greg Dortsch every single offseason and 318 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: it's just hasn't materialized. 319 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 4: You don't have a hole in your argument of needing 320 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 4: a wide receiver. I just I think when you're looking 321 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 4: at the needs of this team, paired with where so 322 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 4: much of the quality is, I just it does not 323 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 4: seem realistic to me that at sixteen that's where the 324 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 4: Cardinals will go. Now, if you start looking on day two, 325 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 4: I would even say probably not in round two. I 326 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 4: would say probably round three. Let's say in this hypothetical 327 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 4: that Arizona goes offensive lineman at sixteen, how do you 328 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 4: not go defensive line or edge at forty seven? And 329 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 4: then on top of that, you could double up on 330 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 4: defense at seventy eight in round three. So I don't 331 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 4: disagree with you. It's just when you're looking at all 332 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,959 Speaker 4: of the different pieces of this team and the draft 333 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 4: and the needs wide receiver is not something I'm gonna stand, 334 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 4: sit here and pound my fist on the table for 335 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 4: strongly at sixteen. 336 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 1: It's the value of pick sixteen. And how do you 337 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: rank potential needs or wants? And yeah, you're right, wide 338 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: receiver is further down the list because yeah, it's a 339 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, it's edge rush, and then it's cornerback 340 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,959 Speaker 1: for me, and then wide receiver. But again, depending on 341 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: how the board falls, and if someone you fall in 342 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: love with someone again, put it this way, I would 343 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: be shocked if a wide receiver is selected with the 344 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: sixteenth overall pick. But I can come back in here 345 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: that night with you or Paul or Darren or Zach 346 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: and have a conversation. Okay, I can see how this works. 347 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 4: Yes, you can still find the excitement there. And I 348 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 4: think it's so intriguing thinking about all the factors that 349 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 4: go into the decisions being made by this front office. 350 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 4: And we're going to be able once to pick us 351 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 4: in in hindsight and kind of work backwards and see 352 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 4: what their thought process was. But there's a lot that 353 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 4: goes into it. I mean, you're not just looking at 354 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 4: tape and having the scouts talk to coaches and try 355 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 4: and get a feel for the type of player while 356 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 4: they are in school. It's the All Star Games, it's Combine, 357 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 4: it's the thirty visits. It's having to project whether or 358 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 4: not a production player in college is going to have 359 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 4: that same production in the NFL. Maybe not year one 360 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 4: or year two, but can you see that progression? What 361 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 4: about players who aren't playing in the SEC right? What 362 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 4: about players who aren't going up against the same type 363 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 4: of caliber of players as maybe one of the Power 364 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 4: five conferences? And how can you evaluate somebody's what's the 365 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 4: word I'm looking for there? 366 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: The potential? 367 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:27,239 Speaker 3: Thank you? 368 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 4: Yes, as I just completely blanked on it is having 369 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 4: to evaluate somebody's potential in the NFL that they didn't 370 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 4: see in college because they weren't going up against the 371 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 4: same type of caliber of players. 372 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: And that's why the draft is such an inexact science 373 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: and money referred to to your point, the production versus 374 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: the potential as a challenge because what you did in college, 375 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: does that mean you're going to have success at the 376 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: pro level? No? Not necessarily. Did you struggle in college 377 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: or show flashes? But you have success and you're an 378 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: All pro in the NFL. Yeah, that's happened. Those that 379 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 1: tests really well at the scouting combine, those are just numbers. 380 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: You're in T shirts and shorts. You're a quarterback throwing 381 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: on air pro days. You're meant to look good. If 382 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: you look bad, that's a concern. So how do you 383 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: take all of that? And you'll always hear gms and 384 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: coaches say it always goes back to the film. Yet 385 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: we talk with Dame Brugler of the Athletic in Indianapolis 386 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: talking about production versus potential, and everyone points to Shamar Stewart, 387 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: the edge rusher out of Texas, A and M. He 388 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: has all of the measurables, tests really well, but the 389 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: production wasn't there a second and a half in each 390 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: of his three seasons. But there are some out there 391 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: draft analysts that love what he has, what he has 392 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: shown and project him to be an eight nine ten 393 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: SAC guy or a disruptor or someone who can affect 394 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: the quarterback. Like Jag likes to say, forget the sack numbers, 395 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:05,479 Speaker 1: but can you consistently affect the pass rush or the 396 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: pass or now all of a sudden, is that the 397 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: pick or do you want someone who's been more consistent 398 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: in their production for a year or two in college. 399 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 4: I think it's a preference of GMS. I think it's 400 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 4: a preference of the position and the pick number and 401 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 4: the player and all those things going in is is 402 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 4: what's going to make you take that risk? And Shamar 403 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 4: Stewart is a great example. Shadoor Sanders is another great example. 404 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 4: I think those are two players that you could argue 405 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 4: are probably all across the board for different teams. Mock 406 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 4: drafts right now that they're doing in the war room 407 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 4: of everybody probably has them slated to go somewhere kind 408 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 4: of different. That's what makes this draft a little bit 409 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 4: different than a year's past, and that all starts with 410 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 4: quarterback evaluation. 411 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: Of course, I'll give you another example along the offensive line. 412 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: Gray's Abel out of North Dakota State FCS, solid player, 413 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 1: button did not face the competition of an SEC or 414 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: a Big ten. Yet you hear from guys like Daniel Jeremiah, 415 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 1: who did mock Zabel to the Cardinals in his most 416 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: recent mock draft, and all of a sudden, it's okay, well, 417 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 1: what are you seeing on tape even though it was 418 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: North Dakota State and not in Alabama or a Georgia 419 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: to where all of a sudden you project Gray's able 420 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: to be a starting guard or a starting center or 421 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 1: someone along that offensive line. And again, it's all about 422 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: projection because no one knows even if you have the 423 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: number one overall pick. There is no such thing as 424 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: a can't miss prospect. Now we can throw out a 425 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: dump couple of different names like Andrew Luck was a 426 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 1: can't miss prospect, didn't win a Super Bowl though got 427 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: the clst to the playoffs. So there's no there's no 428 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,959 Speaker 1: sure thing because if there was then one, this wouldn't 429 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: be any fun, right. 430 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 4: Look, it's it's a science to a certain extent, and 431 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 4: you're not gonna hit on every single player and every 432 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 4: risk that you take. And that is scene in every draft. 433 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 4: Every organization has their own list of players that you 434 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 4: stand on a table for and it doesn't end up 435 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 4: panning out the way that you had hoped. And that's 436 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 4: why these all these steps leading up to the draft 437 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 4: are just so crucial to try and get as much 438 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 4: information as you can. I think the top thirty visits 439 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 4: are so interesting in how teams supposedly use them a 440 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 4: little differently. Awesome for it did clarify that, yes they're 441 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 4: called top thirty, it's not necessarily the top thirty players. 442 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 4: Sometimes it's just players where you want to learn a 443 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 4: little bit more of them as you get to this 444 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 4: point in the process. Those combine interviews are only eighteen minutes. 445 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 4: That might not be enough. That doesn't necessarily mean the 446 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 4: Cardinals bring a player in that's one of the three 447 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 4: to six players they have mocked, possibly at sixteen or 448 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 4: forty seven by chance. Reportedly online, it seems like some 449 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 4: teams don't fully participate, right, They're not getting even close 450 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 4: to having thirty visits. Some teams it might be more 451 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,239 Speaker 4: of a mind a mind trick game of Hey, I'm 452 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 4: gonna bring you in, but I'm gonna ask you a 453 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 4: lot of questions about your teammate that I'm not gonna 454 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 4: bring in, or things like that. So I do think 455 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 4: it's a little interesting how it appears that team's utilize 456 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 4: the thirty visits a little differently. 457 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 1: How much is it a smoke screen? MANI looks at 458 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: what we look at as far as who's been reported 459 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 1: to have visited with different teams, and okay, well, then 460 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, MANI thinks, well, why would be 461 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: doing that? And how much of that? Because no team 462 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: confirms a thirty visit until after the fact. So what's 463 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: been reported is that reported by the team, No, that's 464 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: by the agent. 465 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 4: Is the player posting on social media? 466 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,199 Speaker 1: And that's where you get more definitive? Okay, yes, the 467 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: player was really in the building. It's a fascinating game, 468 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: chess game, mind game, smoke screen if you will. As 469 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 1: far as are you bringing in a player because you 470 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: really like the player on film, you want to get 471 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: to know him. You hope he's available when you pick 472 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: at sixteen where the Cardinals are currently this season, or 473 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 1: is it well, we didn't get a chance at the 474 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: scouting combine scheduling wise, he wasn't available. We really want 475 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: to know, so you bring him in for that particular reason, 476 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: and then your reason is okay, well we like this 477 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: player a little bit, but probably not at sixteen or 478 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:33,479 Speaker 1: forty seven. But he played with that wide receiver, and 479 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: we want to get to know a little bit more 480 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: intel on that potential wide receiver that we might like 481 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: at sixteen or forty seven. 482 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 4: Maybe these are our deeper discussions about picks between sixteen 483 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 4: and forty seven, picks seventeen to forty six on the 484 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 4: off chance that the Cardinals do make a trade in 485 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 4: some sense there right, Maybe that's what they're utilizing some 486 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 4: of these thirty visits for, is not just who they've 487 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 4: been talking about with the first pick at sixteen, but 488 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 4: maybe slide up or down the board. You want to 489 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 4: talk about mind games, though, I would love to know 490 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 4: the organization or the GM that awesome for it was 491 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 4: talking about when he had a smirk on his face 492 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 4: when I had asked him if, now that he's more 493 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 4: established as a general manager going into his third draft, 494 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 4: the phone conversations he has about potential traits, if they're 495 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 4: different in a'll know that he has some deeper connections 496 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 4: with gms around the league. And he had a smirk 497 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 4: when he was saying, no, you know, the conversations haven't changed, 498 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 4: per se but he has a better feel for when 499 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 4: he sees the area code or the organization name pop 500 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 4: up on the phone, and he knows whether or not 501 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 4: it's a conversation he will be able to take seriously, 502 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 4: or if it's going to be not so serious or 503 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 4: maybe even ridiculous I think was the word he used, 504 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 4: And I would love to know who he was envisioning 505 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 4: while he had that smirk on his face. 506 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, ridiculous was the word. And would we ever get 507 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 1: money to divulge that at some point, maybe when he retires, 508 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: maybe when he is no longer the Cardinal general manager. 509 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: Based off his success, he decides to walk away. And 510 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: we had that one final interview. You get him in 511 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: studio Danny for a one on one and you go back, Hey, 512 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, you mentioned that there are certain caller 513 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: IDs where you're like, oh, yeah, this is this just 514 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 1: might be a waste of my time, or even better, 515 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: someone just could be having fun with Monty. He's on 516 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: the clock, the phone rings and you pick it up, 517 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 1: say hello, and it's like, Hey, what are you doing 518 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: Jeff for dinner? Or just like, you know, what are 519 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,959 Speaker 1: you thinking about vacation in the off season? Well, your 520 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: off season plans just kind of break the ice a 521 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: little bit. But yeah, it's I'm now I'm surying to 522 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: think of different area codes and figuring out all right 523 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: three one ohero la area is you know, rams calling 524 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: up and saying, hey, what about this? And then there's 525 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: others just like I'm not even gonna bother. 526 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 4: Even gets you know, they're less neat at consent. Hey, 527 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 4: remember when we drafted Brent Fists last year, he's sure 528 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 4: you don't want to take an offensive lineman? The cover 529 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 4: we also drafted Jared Are you sure you don't want 530 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 4: to take an offensive lineman? 531 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? How much of that? And again, you have ten 532 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: minutes in the first round, five minutes in rounds two 533 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: and three? Correct? Is it five? I believe it's five 534 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: minutes belief, So I'm gonna look real quick because I 535 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: want to make sure I'm accurate here seven. 536 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 3: Minutes in round then it drops to five. 537 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: Rounds three and six five minutes, and then in the 538 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: round seven it drops to four. I think they tweaked 539 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: the numbers or the time per selection this year. So 540 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: but yeah, that you have you have ten minutes seems 541 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: like a lot of time. Yet at the same time 542 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: you're looking and trying to field a number of different 543 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: phone calls and making sure you get to picking on time, 544 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,959 Speaker 1: because there have been teams where they miss their window, 545 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: and the Minnesota Vikings can tell you all about it. 546 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 4: There's only seventeen players physically going to be in Green Bay, 547 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 4: so it seems like a lot of players are going 548 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 4: to be having watched parties at home. 549 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: Jalen Milroe accepted an invite, yet I can't get anyone 550 00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: to say publicly or write anywhere that he is a 551 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: day one draft pick. Now some maybe just want the 552 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: experience of going to Green Bay this year and being 553 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: a part of that festivities. But then you're sitting there 554 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: and the Aaron Rodgers video will resurface if Milroe is 555 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: in there on day two and all of a sudden, 556 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is sitting there pick after pick after pick, 557 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: and Drew Rosenhaus once upon a time had to manufacture 558 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: a phone call to get and I believe I'm blanket 559 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: on the running back out of Miami, and it wasn't 560 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: Clinton Portos, but it's You're sitting there waiting for that 561 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: phone to ring, and all of a sudden, drews picks 562 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: up his own phones to call his player's phone to 563 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: get it to ring, just to kind of break the 564 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: tension a little bit. It's again, it's it's a fascinating 565 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: draft process. It's a fascinating three days worth of draft coverage, 566 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: which we'll have it all right here on Easycardinals dot 567 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: Com and a number of different Cardinals cover too. We're 568 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna put Danny to work, which we typically 569 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: do during the draft, and of course your one on 570 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: one interviews knock on would with the general manager and 571 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: perhaps the head coach as well. 572 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 4: And then when the first round draft pick gets here, 573 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 4: he's well, big car wash of all the different media stops. 574 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 4: It's it's a long weekend, but it's fun. 575 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: I believe though, just one first round draft pick this year, 576 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out. I'm gonna go out on a limb. 577 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that. And then all of a sudden, 578 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: I get a scenario where you get back into the ladder. 579 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 4: Hey, that's what That's what JG joked about with Moni 580 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 4: that he's telling him, Hey, just get rid of all 581 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 4: of our picks so we can have three to four 582 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 4: first rounders this year. 583 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then just have no draft capital for the 584 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: next several. 585 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 3: Years, several several years. 586 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: Several several years. Anything else stand out from either what 587 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: Moni and jaj again, it's we do it every year. 588 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: Nothing really, I mean a lot gets said, but nothing 589 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: really gets said, and you're just kind of left to 590 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: figure out, all right, can you read between the lines 591 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: or what he meant to say was. 592 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 4: This it's He was pretty straight up when he said 593 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 4: he's not gonna tell us what he's gonna do at sixteen. 594 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 4: He was pretty straight up when he said that his 595 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 4: phone has not rang yet with any sort of trade offers, 596 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 4: and I believe awesome for it, at least on those 597 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 4: two things for sure. 598 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: Early in the press he mentioned we quote, we have 599 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: our board set, and then he ended with saying we're 600 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: about ninety five percent done. That might have been more 601 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: with the pre draft prep. Like the board. I do 602 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: believe their board is done then ninety five percent meaning okay, 603 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: we still have to other some background checks, some mock drafts. 604 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: Are we going to raise or lower a guy maybe 605 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: a spot or two, But I do believe their players 606 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: that they like and have evaluated, that's not going to change. 607 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 4: And maybe even that extra five percent of the quote 608 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 4: wiggle room has to do with what they think other 609 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,479 Speaker 4: teams are going to do. Just to make sure they 610 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 4: are prepared for every scenario. 611 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: And again, and it's gonna be a lot of fun. 612 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: We are one week removed from the twenty twenty five 613 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: NFL Draft, and again, still time to dissect, and still 614 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: time for maybe a couple more smoke screens coming up there. 615 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: Just be prepared, Danny for anything. 616 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 4: I am always prepared for anything. 617 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: Craig, here's a question for you. 618 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 3: I'm not prepared for that. 619 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: Although you are not eligible, I'll ask anyway, would you 620 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: like to win a Kyler Murray autographed football? 621 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 2: Dang it? 622 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 3: Because I sure would. 623 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: Bird Gang. 624 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 3: Does it say I'm not eligible? 625 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: Well, on this read, you've assume that on this read 626 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: it does not. I'm just gonna go out and say 627 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: you and I are not eligible to win as Cardinals 628 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: employees if you will. But for those that are not 629 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: Cardinals employees, it's the Arizona Cardinals podcast Sweepstakes. It is 630 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: open now through April twenty fourth. You can enter at 631 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: Azycardinals dot com forward slash listen to win. That's asy 632 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: See Cardinals dot com Forward slash listen to win, then 633 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: subscribe to Arizona Cardinals podcast on Apple Podcasts Spotify to 634 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: boost your chances to win again. That's Asycardinals dot Com 635 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: forward slash listen to win. I believe this is the 636 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: first ever sweepstakes we've ever had on Arizona Cardinals podcast. 637 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 3: I love it exciting times. 638 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: Now we need, in addition to a Kyler Murray autograph football, 639 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: can we get Danny Sirek to autograph a football or 640 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,479 Speaker 1: a microphone or something. 641 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 4: I don't know that the demand is high enough for that. 642 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 4: I feel bad for the few autographs I have given. 643 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 4: Before I sign anything, I always tell them, look, you 644 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 4: are about to have this incredibly devalued. 645 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 3: Are you sure? 646 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 2: Oh? 647 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: Come on, it's happened a couple of times at training camp. 648 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 3: Correct, Yes, it has. 649 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: All right, Well, we'll let Danny go autograph some merchandise 650 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: or memorabilia out there for all her fans when she 651 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: meets them. Come training camp out at State Farm Stadium 652 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: and again. And one week from Thursday is the first 653 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: round of the NFL Draft. If you want to be 654 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: a part of the official Arizona Cardinals Draft party at 655 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: State Farm Stadium next Thursday, April twenty fourth, at four pm, 656 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: go to Azycardinals dot com Forward Slash Draft Party to 657 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: get your digital tickets. Admission is free, Parking is free. 658 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: A lot of fun will be had for all ages 659 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: for all Cardinals fans as we get closer and closer 660 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: to when the Arizona Cardinals are on the clock. And 661 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: on that note, we will put a lit on this 662 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,840 Speaker 1: edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by a Hundai, proud 663 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to 664 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,800 Speaker 1: our executive producer Jim on one Hundre, our associate producer 665 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,399 Speaker 1: Cody Pincher. For Danny Sirek, I'm Craig Rayal Lou. We'll 666 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two