Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, A production of I Heart
Speaker 1: Radio Get Everything. So don Jesus Christ the praise Him.
Speaker 1: Have you guys seen Righteous Gemstones Salvation of the West.
Speaker 1: I had to plug in my headphones, so there's probably
Speaker 1: gonna be some weird reverb there for a second for people,
Speaker 1: But we love us some Jesus and yeah, the Righteous Jimstones.
Speaker 1: I watched the first season. I know that more has happened.
Speaker 1: I thought, I thought the first season was good. I like, obviously, uh,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a huge fan of a number of members
Speaker 1: of the cast, including the guy from Workaholics and the
Speaker 1: guy from The Big Lebowski, of whose names I have
Speaker 1: completely forgotten, even though legitimate love and divine or divine
Speaker 1: or whatever. And m John shit Goodman, John Goodman. Jesus,
Speaker 1: I saw a man that looks John Goodman my whole childhood.
Speaker 1: How did I do? Yeah? I saw someone who looked
Speaker 1: so much like John Goodman yesterday and I walked up
Speaker 1: to him and I was gonna say, IM just grateful
Speaker 1: for your work. And I walked up and stopped because
Speaker 1: it was not John Goodman. And I thought, this man,
Speaker 1: this man must get this all the time. You he
Speaker 1: knew he must have. I mean, you know the fun
Speaker 1: thing about that is, if real John Goodman, if I
Speaker 1: had a chance to walk up to him, I would
Speaker 1: just walk up Tim and I would extend my hand
Speaker 1: and I would ask him if he had any cocaine.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that movie with Denzel where he placed
Speaker 1: Denzel's drug dealer and Denzel's like like the like Sully
Speaker 1: the Pilot, but a drug addict, and it's there's I
Speaker 1: don't know what the movie's name was, but there's a
Speaker 1: pretty cool scene where John Goodman walks into a room
Speaker 1: with a sack full of drugs to sympathy for the devil,
Speaker 1: and it's it kind of rules. That's the movie itself
Speaker 1: pretty forgettable. But John Goodman as like a coach dealer
Speaker 1: was Let's watch it. I just rewatched movie just that scene. Okay, yeah, Cody,
Speaker 1: alright I did. I did rewatch The Big Lebowski recently. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Still an absolutely perfect film in everywey We'll never have
Speaker 1: notes um, John Goodman, it's a it's a an astonishing
Speaker 1: crime that John Goodman didn't receive an Oscar for his
Speaker 1: Jenny Oscars, because he is unbelievably talented. He's so good.
Speaker 1: He's good in everything he does. Did you guys ever
Speaker 1: watch that show Alpha House where he's like one of
Speaker 1: a Republican senator with a bunch of other Republican senators
Speaker 1: living in like a rental house in d C. He's
Speaker 1: quite good in it. Yeah, it's very funny. It was
Speaker 1: a lot funnier before, um, but he was very good
Speaker 1: in it. Yeah. Yeah, was a real killer for anything
Speaker 1: in that arena. Um, Robert, we're talking about entertainment, and
Speaker 1: I took your advice, Katie, which exposing a series of penises. So, okay,
Speaker 1: this is not my fault, right, this is not my fault.
Speaker 1: It's a little it's a little bit your fa This
Speaker 1: is your fault because I've been saying this for motherfucking years.
Speaker 1: It was your choice to watch it and then pause
Speaker 1: it on that scene when so mother were over, let
Speaker 1: me explain to you. I was watching Patriot as you've been,
Speaker 1: as you've been harassing me to do for weeks, and
Speaker 1: of course after the first from the first episode, I
Speaker 1: was hooked. It's very good, it's incredible, it's very very
Speaker 1: h So I watched through like season. I literally stay
Speaker 1: up the first night I start watching it, I stay
Speaker 1: U until like eight in the morning, watching all of
Speaker 1: season one, and then like I'm kind of I'm kind
Speaker 1: of like fucked. I got pretty drunk too, and so
Speaker 1: the next day I was kind of hungover, get a
Speaker 1: late start, have to pull a bunch of stumps out,
Speaker 1: so I only make it through like an episode and
Speaker 1: a half that night before I'm like, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: pass out. So I do the thing that I normally
Speaker 1: do when I'm alone in my house, but I want
Speaker 1: to go to sleep, where I leave the TV on
Speaker 1: as I get up to brush my teeth and get
Speaker 1: out my cont do all the all the all the
Speaker 1: stuff so that I have some comforting sounds going on
Speaker 1: in the next room, but I'm not watching it. And
Speaker 1: so like when I'm done and ready for bed, I
Speaker 1: just walk in and I closed the laptop that's attached
Speaker 1: to my TV. Don't think about what's on the screen.
Speaker 1: I'll restart the episode when I come to watch again.
Speaker 1: So the next day, so Be and her mom come
Speaker 1: in from out of town. We're hanging out, show them
Speaker 1: the farm. Everything's good, everything's nice, and then we sit
Speaker 1: down and as we're sitting down, you know we're gonna
Speaker 1: eat some Thai food together, hang out with you know,
Speaker 1: all my my my friends, uh and chat. I decide
Speaker 1: what do we do when we have our friends over
Speaker 1: and we want to talk. Obviously, we turn the audience
Speaker 1: the sound off on our TV and we put on
Speaker 1: the movie Roar, which is a film from the nineteen
Speaker 1: seventies where Tippy Hedron and her family get repeatedly mauled
Speaker 1: by actual lions. None of it's fake. They're horribly injured.
Speaker 1: Her leg is broken by an elephant. A quick sidebar,
Speaker 1: because this we'll talk about. Let me finish the Patriot
Speaker 1: story and we'll talk about Roar. So i'm i'm I
Speaker 1: turn on my laptop and the TV to put on Roar.
Speaker 1: And of course, when you are like me and you're
Speaker 1: lazy about everything media, if you just like put your
Speaker 1: laptop into sleep while it's playing something, when it comes
Speaker 1: out of sleep, it's going to immediately start playing whatever
Speaker 1: you had on. Now in the show Patriot, this won't
Speaker 1: be revealing much. A big chunk of it takes place
Speaker 1: at this like piping company in the Midwest, and they're
Speaker 1: regularly taking trips over to Europe um and so they'll
Speaker 1: have these scenes right before they go to the airport
Speaker 1: where all of the main cast are like lined up
Speaker 1: at a series of urinals talking and it's just like
Speaker 1: a thing that they do. It's kind of a fun bit.
Speaker 1: A lot of stuff, like you know, important plot points
Speaker 1: happen when they're chatting at the urinals. And in season
Speaker 1: two they decided to do this scene from the perspective
Speaker 1: of everybody's dick, so you actually like see the penises
Speaker 1: of everybody in the scene. I was unaware this had
Speaker 1: started happening because again I had been away from the
Speaker 1: TV when this part had been playing, and I hadn't
Speaker 1: looked at the screen. My contacts were out. So it
Speaker 1: comes back on and as I'm explaining what the movie
Speaker 1: Roar is to Sophie and her mom, they immediately see
Speaker 1: on screen just a bunch of strangers hogs. So that's
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for that. And Robert's texting, they
Speaker 1: were our text thread this week about what we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about today, just just laying into me about
Speaker 1: how I traumaized Sophie's mother when I bear no responsibility
Speaker 1: for this. Although that's just so funny because then my
Speaker 1: first thought was like, oh gosh, what dicks were they
Speaker 1: were they corporate dicks, where they Brazilian jiu jitsu dicks.
Speaker 1: Where they was the corporate dicks. Yeah, it was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna make comments about circumcision. Yeah, your nay,
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of interesting circumcision related things that
Speaker 1: you get to see in that um this is amazing.
Speaker 1: I apologize to Sophie's mother and Sophie's mother alone. But
Speaker 1: but Robert, again, I reiterate years I've been telling you years.
Speaker 1: I years you've been telling me to watch Patriot avoid all. Yes,
Speaker 1: I've been for the entire for just about the entire
Speaker 1: time I've been I've been laying it and laying it
Speaker 1: on thick recently because I have shown give, I've gifted
Speaker 1: this show to so many people, They've all been touched
Speaker 1: by it. And there have been several times over the
Speaker 1: course of um our time here in the worst year ever,
Speaker 1: where I've wanted to talk about things like jellyfish. There's
Speaker 1: things that are in the show and stuff that happens
Speaker 1: that I I the difficulties of arriving getting from point
Speaker 1: A to point be different things that Yeah, the mechanics
Speaker 1: of fluid dynamics. It's a very good show. People should
Speaker 1: watch it. Um, it's definitely. When you start watching it
Speaker 1: or when you read the descriptions, it seems like it's
Speaker 1: going to be like twenty four, Like it's a show
Speaker 1: about an American secret agent who's got to stop around
Speaker 1: from getting a nuclear weapon. Um. But uh he it's
Speaker 1: it's not what you would expect from that description. So
Speaker 1: it's a good show. You should watch it. It's like
Speaker 1: a deconstruction of shows like twenty four of all that
Speaker 1: kind of like yeah stuff. I thought it. It was
Speaker 1: very enjoyable. I really like the male lead. Everybody. Everybody is.
Speaker 1: It's filled with actors who are like initially kind of
Speaker 1: off putting and then surprisingly charming very quickly. Um, which
Speaker 1: is just about every character. The casting is so impeccable
Speaker 1: for every character. It's great. The guy from a seventies show, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the guy from that seventies show. He apparently has a
Speaker 1: podcast that's set in the world of the show with
Speaker 1: the creator of the show. Um, where he's just talking
Speaker 1: about his career in piping and his cocaine addiction, him
Speaker 1: doing those piping monologues. I'm sorry everybody wanted to appreciate
Speaker 1: every time they watch it. Die even I was the
Speaker 1: one people. I showed it to my parents over Christmas
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: that they're the gamble. My mom was had tears from
Speaker 1: laughing at that. Anyway, we've talked about this show what
Speaker 1: else is Good? The classic comedy Roar by Tippy Hedrid
Speaker 1: and her husband some guy and also her entire family
Speaker 1: because nobody else would act in that. Okay, so yeah,
Speaker 1: we have to actually clarify what Roy is because it's
Speaker 1: a midazizing. What you said is true. But Tip was
Speaker 1: obsessed with with uh tigers lions. Wait a minute, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they were in Africa and they like saw tigers and
Speaker 1: lions doing something. There's some story about this that they
Speaker 1: were like inspired that they wanted to save them and
Speaker 1: help people. They brought them into their home with animals.
Speaker 1: An important, an important part of the story, Katie, is
Speaker 1: that Tippy Hedren was traumatized by Alfred Hitchcock to a
Speaker 1: terrifying extent. She was a monster and you can under
Speaker 1: you can tell the degree of trauma that he inflicted
Speaker 1: on her by the fact that basically the next thing
Speaker 1: she decided to do was by a large plot of
Speaker 1: land in southern California with her husband and start adopting
Speaker 1: abandoned full grown lions and tigers, eventually two hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty of them, and they lived in the house. They're
Speaker 1: protecting her from the birds, not that I mean there there.
Speaker 1: It had been years like songbirds. I guarantee you did
Speaker 1: not come close to nothing. There was nothing there. They
Speaker 1: also adopted like elephants and ship. They almost went bankrupt.
Speaker 1: I mean they had to like sell everything else they
Speaker 1: owned because eventually feeding all these animals was four thousand
Speaker 1: dollars a week and seventies money. I can't even imagine
Speaker 1: the medical bills to make a movie the whole time,
Speaker 1: So her and her husband and her kids, who were
Speaker 1: all actors and actors is because Hollywood, we're all living
Speaker 1: on this house. They built on this wildlife sanctuary where
Speaker 1: dozens of fully grown lions and tigers and pumas and
Speaker 1: ship had physical access to them at all times. And
Speaker 1: they spent five years shooting a movie. Now it is
Speaker 1: a movie. You can watch it, but the plot makes
Speaker 1: no sense and it's it's really not a movie because
Speaker 1: they had a script and they had a plot, and
Speaker 1: what the movie that you've seen is is that two
Speaker 1: characters will meet in the house where there's dozens of
Speaker 1: lions and tigers and will attempt to start a dialogue
Speaker 1: to move the plot forward, and thirty five seconds into
Speaker 1: this dialogue, one of them will be attacked by one
Speaker 1: or multiple big cats, and the scene becomes about everyone
Speaker 1: dealing with the fact that one of them is being
Speaker 1: horribly mauled. You see there, like the male lead gets
Speaker 1: scalp ripped off, Tippy Hedron gets her legs shattered by
Speaker 1: an elephant um more than a hundred people. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: gets grown by an elephant and breaks her leg um.
Speaker 1: There's there's a couple of scenes where her husband is
Speaker 1: just has cats biting through his hand and he's bleeding everywhere.
Speaker 1: Like this is not none of this is like hidden,
Speaker 1: like it's you're you are just watching people get very
Speaker 1: badly mauled by large cats. And the fun thing is
Speaker 1: these are as domesticated as big cats can be. One
Speaker 1: of them was Anton LaVey's pet tiger lion are beautiful.
Speaker 1: They're beautiful animals. They're not like trying to kill them.
Speaker 1: They are behaving. They look exactly like your house cat does,
Speaker 1: but they weigh like six hundred pounds, and there's again
Speaker 1: dozens of them. There are some scenes where like Tippy
Speaker 1: Hedron's husband is being piled on by like twenty cats
Speaker 1: at a time. It's fucking amazing. So it took them
Speaker 1: five years, a hundred plus injuries and multiple hospitalizations. Her
Speaker 1: husband nearly lost his hand, like or his whole arm
Speaker 1: from Gang Green. Five years just to film it, and
Speaker 1: six years to edit it because what they actually had
Speaker 1: was just fucking nonsense, and the resulting movie is again
Speaker 1: the way I like to watch it with my friends
Speaker 1: as I'll just turn the sound off and put it
Speaker 1: on the TV while we're like talking and drinking in
Speaker 1: the background, because there will be like ten minutes of
Speaker 1: like boring dialogue and then like every people will start
Speaker 1: getting attacked in a boat by lions, and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's watch this. That's fucking cool. That's sound of it. It
Speaker 1: It just bleeding all over the place, Robert, Robert Evans, Yes,
Speaker 1: you come here. You try to tell me that I'm
Speaker 1: to blame for scaring Sophie's mom with the penises, when
Speaker 1: what your plan was was to show her tigers mauling
Speaker 1: children in Tippy hundred's house. I'm sorry. There are all
Speaker 1: are all adults. They're all adults. They know that. You
Speaker 1: don't have to feel bad about it because everybody knew
Speaker 1: what they were getting into. Nobody made that entire family
Speaker 1: live with dozens of big cats in a house. Sure,
Speaker 1: but what what's what's what's more traumatic? Tophe's mom, Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Every everyone enjoys watching people get mauled
Speaker 1: by large cats. That's just a good time. Well boy,
Speaker 1: oh boy, we've sure spent fifteen minutes talking about this stuff.
Speaker 1: I found a new thing to watch. Oh yeah, what
Speaker 1: is it? Yeah? Um, it's uh tree cutting, it's tree
Speaker 1: cutting fails. So it's it's people trying to and it's
Speaker 1: usually what's amazing if you've never cut down a tree.
Speaker 1: Small trees you can just pull out with a winch
Speaker 1: sometimes like not a big deal, saw him down, cut
Speaker 1: out the stump whatever. Fine, Um, big trees like the
Speaker 1: ones we have all over the Northwest, the ones that
Speaker 1: are like four stories tall, that's like a team of
Speaker 1: people in specialized tools. And there's a lot of videos
Speaker 1: online that are just compilations of like some dude and
Speaker 1: like one of his kids with a chainsaw they bought
Speaker 1: at the store and like a ladder or just trying
Speaker 1: to cut and they sometimes they die probably like it
Speaker 1: looks like a lot of the injuries look really grievous.
Speaker 1: People like being flung around the tree on a strap
Speaker 1: they were hanging from with a chainsaw and try to
Speaker 1: down that tree. Yeah, it's exactly. All of the videos
Speaker 1: are just like outrageous hubris. Like me, a guy who
Speaker 1: does not know much about cutting down trees looks at
Speaker 1: these guys and it's like, well, you shouldn't be doing this.
Speaker 1: You don't have the proper equipment of this. Actually this
Speaker 1: is gonna sound watching them now, it's like it's amazing,
Speaker 1: like like amidst power lines and he's like, no, don't
Speaker 1: do no, no, don't don't do it. Don't do that.
Speaker 1: There's also some incredible ones of like competent people who
Speaker 1: are just like it's their job and so they like
Speaker 1: there's this one amazing one where this guy cutting down
Speaker 1: a tree that's a top like some um like power
Speaker 1: lines or something, and he's clearly like a professional arborist,
Speaker 1: he's all the right kit and because of some sort
Speaker 1: of error, his chainsaw catches on fire, which catches the
Speaker 1: tree below him on fire, and it's just like him,
Speaker 1: he deals with it like you just like watch, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's amazing, right, it isn't that an amazing video? Cody Trees.
Speaker 1: He is handling this. He knows what he's doing. He's
Speaker 1: very very capable. It's like he's at war with the tree.
Speaker 1: But I look at these big old trees and I
Speaker 1: just feel like we have no business trying to remove them.
Speaker 1: They are they were there before us, and they'll be
Speaker 1: there after unless we cut them down. I mean, I
Speaker 1: totally agree with you, which is why I don't feel
Speaker 1: bad when like father afore very clearly gets permanently injured
Speaker 1: trying to take with the trees fifty year old elm
Speaker 1: tree in his backyard. I've been watching, and I doubt
Speaker 1: anybody's when watching them. Yeah, some of them are pretty bad.
Speaker 1: Well it's just like like this, it goes fine and
Speaker 1: then just a chunk of the tree just like slams
Speaker 1: into them. Yeah, or this one where they're uh, they're
Speaker 1: pretty great, you know, some of them, like it's not
Speaker 1: a person gets injured that they're they're cutting on a
Speaker 1: tree and then it topples over onto their pool and
Speaker 1: the pool breaks and just like, uh huh, this is
Speaker 1: great for an audio format. We're gonna take a quick break.
Speaker 1: I think it's time for that. I think we have
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Speaker 1: break like some trees and yours an ade everything. So
Speaker 1: don't don't don't. Oh yeah, if you what's up? Okay?
Speaker 1: Should we talk about actual news? And I don't know
Speaker 1: what to talk about? Um, but I will react uh
Speaker 1: vibrantly and with viver oh, vim and vigor. What do
Speaker 1: you guys want to talk about? Yeah? So many things
Speaker 1: I actually wanna. So when we've got uh many things
Speaker 1: to talk about, if we would like to, we can
Speaker 1: talk about Elon Markin and his adventures on Twitter dot com,
Speaker 1: um unions and Starbucks and Howard Schultz his big announcement
Speaker 1: to save unions. We could talk about that I p
Speaker 1: c C report where they're like, we've got three years
Speaker 1: to avoid absolutely catastrophic climate change. But it's like the
Speaker 1: rest of the world and not. I just can't stand it, right,
Speaker 1: It's hard to talk about. I feel I think about
Speaker 1: it all the day. I think about all the time
Speaker 1: that report as horrifying. I tweeted about this. I truly
Speaker 1: had seen maybe three people talking about it on Twitter. Um,
Speaker 1: I guess now we're talking about it. Yeah, what do
Speaker 1: you what do you like? I get everyone being like
Speaker 1: why aren't people talking about this? But also I guess
Speaker 1: because what are we supposed to say? Nothing's nothing. We
Speaker 1: We've said everything that can be said, which is that
Speaker 1: we're staring down the barrel of a nightmarish problem. None
Speaker 1: of the people in power are doing anything, and it
Speaker 1: is going to make the world less inhabitable and all
Speaker 1: of the already utterly devastating problems we are dealing with,
Speaker 1: including like violent authoritarianism and inequality and even worse, and
Speaker 1: and no one in power is going to do a
Speaker 1: goddamn thing about it, or is meaningfully doing a goddamn
Speaker 1: thing about I'm sorry. This is one of those things
Speaker 1: when we talk about, like the failures of electoralism, people
Speaker 1: are always like, well, what about this or what about this?
Speaker 1: And it's like, no one is taking any meaningful action
Speaker 1: in the US government that is going to stop this.
Speaker 1: There are some people who are making some like attempts,
Speaker 1: like to to their credit, people like Alexandria Accacio Cortez
Speaker 1: keep talking about like a thing that might do something
Speaker 1: like the Green New Deal has a chance to make
Speaker 1: some meaningful impacts on this, but it doesn't have a
Speaker 1: chance to pass um which is not you know, attacking
Speaker 1: her for trying, but no one else is. It's not
Speaker 1: going to happen, I know. And that's what's so fresh. Like, well,
Speaker 1: the point of what I was saying, I mean, I
Speaker 1: agree with everything you're saying, um my tweet. Basically, it's
Speaker 1: like they're saying, we have three years to turn this
Speaker 1: ship around, otherwise we will not have the worst case disaster,
Speaker 1: and not many people are talking about it. And I'm
Speaker 1: not criticizing people because I get it, because what are
Speaker 1: we supposed to say when I'm like, this doesn't this
Speaker 1: isn't good, this is and I'm we are all carrying
Speaker 1: this anxiety, this watching this, this train plowing into the
Speaker 1: depot and not slowing down. Meanwhile, okay, we should probably
Speaker 1: talk about Ukraine. What's happening all these trains heading towards well,
Speaker 1: but like specifically we're talking about climate change and the
Speaker 1: effects of climate change on crops. Well right now, Ukraine
Speaker 1: and Russia they are a huge exporter of grain, especially
Speaker 1: for the Middle East and to other places that are
Speaker 1: already uh, suffering from famine to the Middle East to Yemen,
Speaker 1: and so what we're dealing with right now is there's
Speaker 1: a lack of supplies leaving the current harvest may or
Speaker 1: may not be harvested, and how that affects next season's harvest.
Speaker 1: Not to mention, Okay, well, just the infrastructure being destroyed,
Speaker 1: their long term sanctions that we have, and how that's
Speaker 1: going to affect. So sorry, I'm just going off on
Speaker 1: a tangent here, but it's all connected. When we're seeing
Speaker 1: this happen and we're like, Okay, we've got three fucking years.
Speaker 1: Now is the time we put off talking about the
Speaker 1: news for twenty minutes and here we are, you know,
Speaker 1: like the most reasonable thing in the world right now
Speaker 1: is to put off talking about the news. Um, I'm
Speaker 1: not There's a lot we need to figure out as
Speaker 1: a species, and none of it is going to be
Speaker 1: figured out through people yelling at other people on Twitter
Speaker 1: for not tweeting about the I p c C Report.
Speaker 1: So number one, calm down, Like, don't calm down about
Speaker 1: climate change because it's it's it's absolutely a serious problems
Speaker 1: as the report presents it, But like, calm down about
Speaker 1: the fact that people like joking, that people prefer to
Speaker 1: like joke about whatever bullshit is happening with Amy Schumer
Speaker 1: than they do to talk about the doom that like
Speaker 1: we people like folks are like, what am I supposed
Speaker 1: to do? And the answer is like, nobody knows. Because
Speaker 1: it's particularly like a lot of folks on the far
Speaker 1: left will be like, well, we should be people should
Speaker 1: be attacking fossil fuel infrastructure, and I think that would
Speaker 1: be rad But what would actually happen is that like
Speaker 1: one person would carry out an attack that would not
Speaker 1: actually do any material damage to fossil fuel infrastructure, and
Speaker 1: then their life and the lives of all their friends
Speaker 1: would be destroyed. So that's not going to fix the
Speaker 1: problem either, And voting sure as ship has not yet
Speaker 1: done anything to fix the problem, So like what what
Speaker 1: do you? People like people are gonna laugh about a
Speaker 1: thing that's funny that happened online because they feel as
Speaker 1: if they have no agency to deal with this problem,
Speaker 1: and so far no one has. I I don't know
Speaker 1: what they're supposed to do other than the kind of
Speaker 1: stuff we talk about on It could happen here where
Speaker 1: community resiliency trying to prepare the people around you, the
Speaker 1: people that you live with and yourself, and the people
Speaker 1: that are in your community. For the consequences of climate change.
Speaker 1: That is actionable, that is a thing you can do
Speaker 1: something about it. But you, you as an individual or
Speaker 1: we as a bunch of people on Twitter who are
Speaker 1: vaguely left wing, are not going to destroy the global
Speaker 1: fossil fuel system. And if you have a theory for how,
Speaker 1: let me know, Well, I don't have a theory for how.
Speaker 1: And all of your points are I think they're all
Speaker 1: really important and well taken, because I think that if
Speaker 1: we are to move this is the new reality. This
Speaker 1: isn't changing, this is our reality. It's only going to
Speaker 1: get worse and first reformed. Roberts Um. I think it's
Speaker 1: really important for us to have outlets and to maintain
Speaker 1: our mental health and to be realistic about what we
Speaker 1: can and can't do, and yes, bond together and prepare
Speaker 1: for your yourself, you know, and your community. I also
Speaker 1: think it's important for us to talk about it. I
Speaker 1: think it's important to keep it, but I just mean
Speaker 1: in general, But like, I think the point is well taken.
Speaker 1: Like take a breath and and focus on the things
Speaker 1: that you can control. But I do think it's important
Speaker 1: for us to acknowledge what's happening and continue to talk
Speaker 1: about it, because that's truly the unfortunate only way that
Speaker 1: it moves a needle in terms of electoral apology, and
Speaker 1: be aware of who like can't actually do things, who
Speaker 1: aren't right. It's not that I'm blaming people. I think
Speaker 1: that I get it, and I almost I didn't want
Speaker 1: to talk about it or tweet about it because I'd
Speaker 1: rather I'd rather focus on the things that are right
Speaker 1: in here in front of me that I can control.
Speaker 1: That brings me happiness, because this brings me dread. But
Speaker 1: what brings me even more dread personally is feeling that
Speaker 1: no one else is seeing what's happening, you know, or
Speaker 1: that we're get we're allowing politicians to take a pass.
Speaker 1: We need to, we need we need them to to
Speaker 1: listen to us. I don't know what that looks like.
Speaker 1: We haven't. We certainly didn't sustain mass protests during Black
Speaker 1: Lives Matter, you know, and and people were dying in
Speaker 1: front of us, I mean people they kept going like
Speaker 1: they did. The problem is that like the same people
Speaker 1: who are fighting viciously to stop any kind of positive
Speaker 1: movement on climate change, And the same people who are
Speaker 1: fighting to turn back the tide of gay rights to
Speaker 1: the point where now there's a popular discussion about like
Speaker 1: whether or not we should reverse course on the existence
Speaker 1: of gay marriage. Are the same people who were like
Speaker 1: advocating vociferously to fund and and remove any chance of
Speaker 1: accountability for the cops as they beat and murder people. Um.
Speaker 1: Whereas it's like, if you were out in the street
Speaker 1: protesting the cops, that's kind of all you were able
Speaker 1: to do. And if you're trying to force positive change
Speaker 1: on climate change, that's kind of a full time gig.
Speaker 1: And like it's very frustrating because it's really easy to
Speaker 1: be um a civilizational arsonist. All you have to do
Speaker 1: is get on TV and yell at whatever we'll make
Speaker 1: conservatives angry, or get on TV if you're liberal and
Speaker 1: talk about how any of the suggestions for how to
Speaker 1: make change aren't realistic and we need to move forward
Speaker 1: with fossil fuel companies to find a solution together or whatever. Um.
Speaker 1: And in either case, it's way easier to just kind
Speaker 1: of punt the problem than it is to deal with it.
Speaker 1: And if you're like it's if you're dealing if you're
Speaker 1: trying to deal with the problem of creeping authoritarianism, which
Speaker 1: is tied into climate change. But it's also kind of
Speaker 1: a full time job to keep track of, like what
Speaker 1: militia leaders are hanging out with, what Republican congressional candidates
Speaker 1: are at rull congressman um And it's kind of a
Speaker 1: full time gig to again deal try attempt to force
Speaker 1: movement on climate change and all of these issues, these
Speaker 1: problems are so complicated that like, if you're trying to
Speaker 1: this is a problem we run into on it could
Speaker 1: happen here that I still feel mixed about, Like we
Speaker 1: have multiple members of full time staff, and I still
Speaker 1: don't feel like we're giving good, full time coverage to
Speaker 1: each of those things because they're so complicated. And the
Speaker 1: question even of like how realistic what can be done
Speaker 1: about climate change at this point, what changes can be
Speaker 1: made um is really complicated, and you'll find experts who disagree.
Speaker 1: There are people who are ecological experts that say any
Speaker 1: window is already closed and like we're effectively fucked, and
Speaker 1: there's experts that say, no, that's crazy. And there's a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of things that can be done. We could
Speaker 1: start doing them today. Um and even just trying to
Speaker 1: parse out that single debate is a lot. There's a
Speaker 1: lot happening. There's a lot happening. But also like you
Speaker 1: don't know what are the unintended ramifications of a potential solution.
Speaker 1: How does it impact ex community? How does it do that?
Speaker 1: You know, jellyfish if you will, for those of us
Speaker 1: who watch Patriot, that's right, No good, Cody, I don't know, Cody,
Speaker 1: this is your showdy. I just want to say Showty again.
Speaker 1: I know you did. I always thought that was one
Speaker 1: of the cuter things you'll developed for your Showty official
Speaker 1: name almost Cody. You remember you remember that fun time
Speaker 1: back when we were both young and and you you
Speaker 1: made that video about an app called chat Roulette where
Speaker 1: people were That's how we most Penis. That's how Cody
Speaker 1: and I met. Yeah that's true. I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah we met, but like, yeah, they were emailing first
Speaker 1: and our first video for Cracked, and then Dan O'Brien
Speaker 1: I believe was like, hey introduced us to UH so
Speaker 1: that I could make a video, a little clip for
Speaker 1: his chat Roulette. That's when I became acquainted with because
Speaker 1: it was like I was working as I just moved
Speaker 1: on from intern to like part time employee, and Dan
Speaker 1: sent me this video and was like, this guy, Cody,
Speaker 1: I think is going to be a big part of
Speaker 1: the site moving forward, still exists? Should you tell people that?
Speaker 1: Probably not? Probably? Yeah, like many of the things we create,
Speaker 1: would we be canceled? Um, I don't know the Cracked
Speaker 1: players broken, so I don't even think it's still available anymore.
Speaker 1: It's just about how if you go on chat Roulette,
Speaker 1: you're bound to see constantly. Much like the show Patriot,
Speaker 1: chat Roulette was an app where you were randomly matched
Speaker 1: with another person around the world. You had no way
Speaker 1: of knowing who that would still here, And the basic
Speaker 1: idea behind chat Roulette was wouldn't it be neat if um,
Speaker 1: you could just get connected to someone else in the world, uh,
Speaker 1: and then maybe that would spawn interesting conversations. And what
Speaker 1: actually happened is that fifty of the people on chat
Speaker 1: Roulette would immediately show their penis to the other. That's
Speaker 1: what happened. In retrospect, there were a lot of lessons
Speaker 1: about what the Internet was going to be in the
Speaker 1: future from chat Roulette. In retrospect, everything still works the
Speaker 1: same way. Um, It's just it was pretty good. It
Speaker 1: was pretty good. Video Cody, How do I play this
Speaker 1: for everybody? How do I play this for you guys?
Speaker 1: I know the world wasn't actually simpler back then. Obviously.
Speaker 1: The invasion of Iraq was still fairly fresh at that point,
Speaker 1: just really four or five years old. Uh yeah, A
Speaker 1: couple of different horrible wars were raging a lot of
Speaker 1: the building. The tea party was kind of like in
Speaker 1: its offering a lot of them. Play this song for you, guys.
Speaker 1: Social trends that would be disasters where people were ignoring
Speaker 1: climate change and mocking Al Gore for making a very
Speaker 1: mild movie warning people about it. Um and in retrospect,
Speaker 1: all of the problems that are now catastrophes were just
Speaker 1: building in that period. But everything felt simple because we
Speaker 1: were young and dumb and able to make funny chat
Speaker 1: that was silly videos about whatever. Yeah, a little tune
Speaker 1: to listen to this three minute song, but let's put
Speaker 1: it on at the end for the people, most of
Speaker 1: whom do not remember that chat roulette was ever a thing.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, pre omegel, Yeah, definitely pre way pre Omegel.
Speaker 1: Yeah by like close to a decade, right, yeah, yeah, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: Michael still around. Yeah, I really don't think absolutely not.
Speaker 1: I refuse to accept that it might still be alive,
Speaker 1: although every now and then I'm reminded that DIG still exists,
Speaker 1: and I'm just livid, but that I had any issue
Speaker 1: with DIG. But it's no way. Uh yeah baby was
Speaker 1: even uh speaking of chat Roulette, We'll be right back.
Speaker 1: Unlike chat Roulette, which disappeared, did disappeared, but you know
Speaker 1: what it lives on whenever you accidentally show your producer
Speaker 1: and her mom a bunch of dudes penises from the
Speaker 1: show Patriot because you fell asleep. The spirit way to
Speaker 1: bring it back together everything we're back. We're talking about
Speaker 1: good times, bad times, the fact that what are we
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do here about this? About this
Speaker 1: climate stuff, because it feels like an intractable kind of
Speaker 1: problem alongside the people fighting vigorous doing stuff like there's
Speaker 1: effectively a full abortion band just got pasted in Oklahoma. Um.
Speaker 1: You are increasingly seeing conservatives rally around the idea of
Speaker 1: criminalizing any contact between trans people or gay people and
Speaker 1: and like kids. Particularly, It's starting in schools and with
Speaker 1: with the banning of books. You're got this horrible war
Speaker 1: unfolding in Ukraine with an act of probable genocide in
Speaker 1: the suburb of Buka. Um, you've got uh, the authoritarian realignment,
Speaker 1: with authoritarians on absolutely on both sides of this growing
Speaker 1: kind of international block of of conflicting nations. UM. And uh, yes,
Speaker 1: some ship's not great with with the climate. The Arctic
Speaker 1: was seventy degrees hotter than it's ever been at this
Speaker 1: time of year. Um, which also is bad. How much?
Speaker 1: How many degrees? That's a lot of degree. It's a
Speaker 1: real problem, Katie. It shouldn't be that much hotter than
Speaker 1: it normally is or has ever been before. Um. So
Speaker 1: like recycle is that kind of goal we're gonna get
Speaker 1: knock out composts. Don't forget to call post planted tree
Speaker 1: compost Republican legislators. That actually would make some progress. Um.
Speaker 1: That that that might help stop cutting down trees, stop
Speaker 1: depart dating down Republican. Okay, Yeah, Elon Musk is about
Speaker 1: to help run Twitter. So that's gonna that's gonna be good.
Speaker 1: You know, we can do actually think and I think
Speaker 1: it's President Biden is doing a really good job with this,
Speaker 1: Joseph Robinette Biden. Well, yeah, you just so. He just
Speaker 1: announced today. I'll just read his tweet verbatim. I love
Speaker 1: I love verbating. Yeah, so I'm gonna verbate right now.
Speaker 1: Verbath verbatim. We're all over bath batim, bit umpctimating. Uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what I was trying
Speaker 1: to go for that. Um. I just signed an executive
Speaker 1: order that directs federal agencies to continue doing everything in
Speaker 1: their power to expand the quality and affordability of health coverage.
Speaker 1: Knocked it out of the park. Good work, Joe, So
Speaker 1: does that do? What's that gonna second? It's it's gonna
Speaker 1: help direct them to continue to do everything in their
Speaker 1: power to expand the quality and affordability of health coverage.
Speaker 1: That's good. So health care has gotten cheaper over the
Speaker 1: last few years, right, sure, why not? Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: they're They're gonna continue to do that. They're gonna so
Speaker 1: he signed, he signed an executive order. Uh two, stays
Speaker 1: the course. I guess right to to keep it. I can't.
Speaker 1: Oh no, how spending in the US increased by four
Speaker 1: point six percent in would you say? Okay, no, healthcare
Speaker 1: it's it's it's still it's increasing at the rate it's
Speaker 1: been increasing, so that's good. It's not increasing on an
Speaker 1: unusual basis. Although the latest numbers I've got here are
Speaker 1: from two thousand nineteen, so they who's to say pre pandemic.
Speaker 1: There's that in culin co pay cap that just got
Speaker 1: that is true. That is true, and that is true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just think it is co pays, which is well,
Speaker 1: exactly everything. Everything always comes down to like blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: If you got yeah, like it's it's one of those things.
Speaker 1: There's a there's an article I found on it that
Speaker 1: describes it as like a path to affordability, which again
Speaker 1: I'm not not to shoot like obviously when it comes
Speaker 1: to things that like legislators are doing. This is one
Speaker 1: of those things where I'm like, okay, so there are
Speaker 1: some people who are making material like this, this, this
Speaker 1: will have an impact on some people that is positive,
Speaker 1: and that's that's good. I'm not gonna I'm not going
Speaker 1: to shoot on it. But it is also worth noting,
Speaker 1: like these are co pay caps, this is not stopping
Speaker 1: the broader fundamental problem, which is that insulin, which should
Speaker 1: be effectively free because of how cheap it is to produce.
Speaker 1: UM is in instead expensive enough that people are dying
Speaker 1: because they cannot afford it. And um, that's a fundamental
Speaker 1: problem with how we view healthcare and we view like
Speaker 1: the way capitalism should work. Um. On a moral level,
Speaker 1: it's a problem with like the amount of suffering that
Speaker 1: we are happy to allow to happen for for modest profitability. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: how much can we tolerate? Yeah, which again I'm not
Speaker 1: again not shipping on the legislators who fought that this
Speaker 1: was like a real slug match, but that that's part
Speaker 1: of what as as good as it is that like
Speaker 1: they made some progress on making insulin more affordable. The
Speaker 1: fact that it was or is still because it hasn't
Speaker 1: passed the Senate yet. Um, it was a fucking battle
Speaker 1: in the house. Um, and now we're we're going to
Speaker 1: see if it can pass the Senate. The fact that
Speaker 1: like that's the level of fight that we're getting, or
Speaker 1: like the level of fight we're getting to confirm. Um.
Speaker 1: The current Supreme Court justice whose name I've spaced on,
Speaker 1: um Jackson, Like we were talking about the like when
Speaker 1: you when you look at what a level of fight
Speaker 1: these things are which are both I think worth doing
Speaker 1: within the context of the system we have. Capping insulin
Speaker 1: cope is worth doing. Based on what I can tell
Speaker 1: of this justice's record, seems like it will be a
Speaker 1: positive having her on the Supreme Court. Not saying these
Speaker 1: are not worth doing. But when you look at the
Speaker 1: degree to which both of these things, which are in
Speaker 1: the broad scheme of the problems facing us on a
Speaker 1: global scale, pretty minor, right um, When you look at
Speaker 1: what a fight that is, it makes me feel like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: how are we going to, for example, dramatically and very
Speaker 1: quickly put an end to two carbon emissions. Well, we're not.
Speaker 1: It's going to take people having their lives destroyed to
Speaker 1: like literally destroyed. And meanwhile, we're looking at housing prices everywhere,
Speaker 1: and it's not affordable to live and if you're living
Speaker 1: in the mountains, you have to pay twelve thousand dollars
Speaker 1: a year for fire insurance. Well, and and if you
Speaker 1: if you as people's lives are just jroid by climate change,
Speaker 1: their ability to agitate for action on climate change will
Speaker 1: be hampered by the fact that they are homeless or
Speaker 1: in severe desperation. And we are also in the process
Speaker 1: of criminalizing houselessness to an increasing extent. And like where
Speaker 1: I live in Portland, which has been seeing a surgeon houselessness,
Speaker 1: the liberal local government is now pushing the idea of
Speaker 1: forcing people into camps run by the National Guard, which
Speaker 1: you're going to see more of all over the place.
Speaker 1: Like the the solutions to this are not going to
Speaker 1: come for voting, with voting for people, um, the solutions
Speaker 1: to this are only going to come by massive collective action.
Speaker 1: And that's a titanic struggle. I I I don't think
Speaker 1: it's something that will be accomplished in three years, if
Speaker 1: it ever is. Because now that said, I didn't think
Speaker 1: the ship that happened in was going to happen. But
Speaker 1: also we have to look at the reactions, like the
Speaker 1: results of which was in the best case scenarios, some
Speaker 1: cities had reforms and mild parts of their of their
Speaker 1: justice system or or their policing system, and most places
Speaker 1: did nothing. And now a lot of that is getting
Speaker 1: pushed back. So uh yeah, that's kind of what I
Speaker 1: mean with big pro to anyway. Yeah, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna need some stuff's gonna need to get damaged
Speaker 1: in a very a scale. And to a degree of
Speaker 1: I don't think it's I think organizing is a necessary
Speaker 1: part of the solution. I don't think that um uh,
Speaker 1: voting is going to solve these big problems. Which is
Speaker 1: not to say that, like, you know, to the extent
Speaker 1: that it allows you to do things like cap insulin copas.
Speaker 1: If that happens, that's good. And I'm not gonna I'm
Speaker 1: not one of those folks on the left who's gonna say, like,
Speaker 1: don't bother voting, because there's things it does it can
Speaker 1: help with. But it's like it's like I'm not going
Speaker 1: to say that band aids aren't useful, but if you're
Speaker 1: bleeding out from a cut in your femoral artery, a
Speaker 1: band aid isn't going to solve the problem. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just we're like, it's beneficial to keep putting like filling
Speaker 1: the bucket with water, tossing that water overboard. Um, but
Speaker 1: that's not going to do it. But like if you
Speaker 1: can take, you know, take thirty minutes out of your
Speaker 1: day to be like, yeah, let's get more of those
Speaker 1: buckets out of here. Um but acknowledging that that's not
Speaker 1: actually going to save the sinking ship. Yeah, m hmmm,
Speaker 1: um yeah, but you know, uh, the agencies are going
Speaker 1: to continue to uh do what they were doing right
Speaker 1: in their power. It's like it's just like clearly like
Speaker 1: it's one of those like mid it's mid term season,
Speaker 1: like we're getting we're getting there. So like even now
Speaker 1: I'm seeing like a few Congress people start to be like,
Speaker 1: by the way, we should have medicare for all right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's that time of year where they trod out the slogans, Um,
Speaker 1: it's hard because you're right, I mean, just both of them.
Speaker 1: All politicians suck. These people aren't in there for the
Speaker 1: right reasons. So the people that are can't do anything
Speaker 1: because most of them are run by corporations blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: But our window of opportunity is fast thinking, like we know,
Speaker 1: we see that this they couldn't get shipped done and
Speaker 1: and there's a big disillusionment like, um, what's the point?
Speaker 1: And now Republicans are I mean, that's what it feels
Speaker 1: like for people. They're all the same. I don't say
Speaker 1: that there isn't a point. I'm saying that that's the
Speaker 1: sentiment and that's what it feels like, and that's why
Speaker 1: we're gonna lose in a few months. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with with that ship. Uh, we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens with with that That's it's a dark
Speaker 1: way of saying it. I I down there's a lot
Speaker 1: of mobilization on the right for a lot of these
Speaker 1: like culture war issues and things like that. But I
Speaker 1: do I mean, I don't know, but I have you
Speaker 1: have some sort of hope and uh, yeah, like there
Speaker 1: are a lot there are a lot of people I think,
Speaker 1: on the right now who are slowly realizing the things
Speaker 1: that like we've been sort of pointing out, like especially
Speaker 1: with like the rampant homophobia that has been amped up recently. Um,
Speaker 1: I've seen I have seen people be like, wait, I
Speaker 1: thought we were talking about this, Why are you Why
Speaker 1: are we being like you're being like openly homophobic and
Speaker 1: like patriolic now. Um. And I think that some people
Speaker 1: are sort of realizing like, oh, this was always the here.
Speaker 1: I do think that the true that sooner or later
Speaker 1: things will be bad. We're talking about climate anyway, or
Speaker 1: healthcare or gas prices there there there will hopefully be
Speaker 1: a point where some of this division or we realize
Speaker 1: that we need each other. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like where you start like saying falling down the pitfall
Speaker 1: falls of like ways things have been distorted and you
Speaker 1: see the common ground, like if we need each other,
Speaker 1: they're to save this country from But also that has
Speaker 1: to go along with the corollary that are not insignificant
Speaker 1: chunk of this country would happily kill the entire world
Speaker 1: in order to avoid admitting that they have been wrong
Speaker 1: about some important things, and they are they are willing
Speaker 1: to burn the country and plant down in order to
Speaker 1: ensure that they never have to reevaluate the things that
Speaker 1: they have been, that they have been that they believe.
Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that there are fewer of those people then yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see. I mean, it's gonna be fun. I don't
Speaker 1: My feeling is that the Democratic Party has not done
Speaker 1: a great job of anticipating the things that are going
Speaker 1: to help them in the mid terms. Um, but it's
Speaker 1: also like I don't know, uh, I don't know what's
Speaker 1: going to happen here. A lot of folks are saying
Speaker 1: that the polling looks like ship did in when the
Speaker 1: Tea Party had a will blowout win. Um, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's it could very well be a
Speaker 1: complete disaster. It could be a real real cock up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we there could you know, get some more,
Speaker 1: some more Taylor Green's up in there, uh and the
Speaker 1: cruises in there for the rest of our lives. Um.
Speaker 1: But I do I don't know. It is still early.
Speaker 1: And I do think that the the sort of endgame
Speaker 1: that like with like the dog whistling and the sort
Speaker 1: of like the rhetorical games that have been played about
Speaker 1: all these sort of issues. The UH mask is like
Speaker 1: by design like being broadcast, and I think some people
Speaker 1: really preferred the mask being on. Um. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think we're gonna because some of the polling I'm seeing
Speaker 1: suggests that like things are heading in the Republicans directions
Speaker 1: for the mid terms, but not to an extent that's
Speaker 1: out of line with what tends to happen in the
Speaker 1: mid terms after a residential election for the opposition party.
Speaker 1: And if that's the case, that could actually be kind
Speaker 1: of bad news because if they you know, take back
Speaker 1: one of the one of the houses or one of
Speaker 1: the chambers of Congress. Um. But they don't. Um, it's
Speaker 1: not really a blowout. It's just kind of a normal,
Speaker 1: Like they're showing like a two percent lead overall something
Speaker 1: like that, which is pretty in line. If that's accurate,
Speaker 1: if they're not, if kind of the Republican support is
Speaker 1: not being underestimated, which is always possible, Um, then that
Speaker 1: that would be interesting that that might look really bad
Speaker 1: for them actually, because that would show that like they
Speaker 1: actually have absolutely hit their cap, that going so extreme
Speaker 1: has hurt them. That like it doesn't do, it doesn't create.
Speaker 1: They always talk about what kind of the thing that
Speaker 1: we're looking to see. Is this going to be a
Speaker 1: pretty normal thing for a mid term after an election
Speaker 1: where the party that one the big election is tired
Speaker 1: because you know, the kind of campaign promises have intersected
Speaker 1: with reality. People are less motivated. Um, they don't get
Speaker 1: their base out, but the party in opposition is all
Speaker 1: riled up because they're the party in opposition and they've
Speaker 1: lost control of the presidency, and so they make some gains.
Speaker 1: If that's what we get out of the mid term
Speaker 1: as opposed to like a two thousand ten tea party blowout, Um,
Speaker 1: then that might suggest they have some real problems when
Speaker 1: comes along, because that might suggest, oh, you guys have
Speaker 1: you guys have peaked with this rhetoric can get you
Speaker 1: and win. It's a presidential election, and there's more activation
Speaker 1: of the base. Um. Of course that also assumes that,
Speaker 1: like the hope would be the best case scenario than
Speaker 1: would be that like Republicans have a win that's in
Speaker 1: line with what tends to happen in mid terms after
Speaker 1: an election. Um, that's not exceptional or crazy, big uh.
Speaker 1: And then but it's spooks Democrats in power enough that
Speaker 1: they actually start doing some more of the things that
Speaker 1: are going to pick up actual support with their with
Speaker 1: with the left and and with with regressives and stuff.
Speaker 1: And you know if that proves to be a wise
Speaker 1: elector Yeah, I don't have a ton of confidence with that.
Speaker 1: It's just like the thing, like the one thing that
Speaker 1: Democrats can't get enough of, like more than losing, it's
Speaker 1: like not learning lessons. Yes, they just fucking they just
Speaker 1: gobble up not learning very obvious lessons. So I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's what happened. Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 1: need to where I guess we'll see some ship. Um,
Speaker 1: I guess we'll see some ship. Like I have no
Speaker 1: idea how to tell, uh what's going to happen other
Speaker 1: than that, like it's probably gonna overall be a win
Speaker 1: for Republicans, but the question is like how how big
Speaker 1: a deal is it going to be, um long term
Speaker 1: or how it will effect us going forward? And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, it's going to be your window here, babies,
Speaker 1: Like that ship doesn't seem possible. Yeah yeah, um, I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, it could just be like I don't know,
Speaker 1: like Sarah Palin is gonna run again? Right, Well, that
Speaker 1: was that not a was not that not a yuck?
Speaker 1: Was that not? It started out as a yuck? And
Speaker 1: then I think follow up like a few days later
Speaker 1: it was like yeah, um yeah probably, but like but
Speaker 1: like that's the kind of thing where it's like yeah, um,
Speaker 1: I don't I just don't think that, uh that is
Speaker 1: gonna fly. Yeah this this new this new new wave. Um,
Speaker 1: we'll see. There's also there's some reasons for like there's
Speaker 1: some dire ship happening, including the fact that, like according
Speaker 1: to Gallup, at the end of Democrats led Republicans and
Speaker 1: party identification by nine points um by the in the
Speaker 1: beginning of it. By the end of the year, Republicans
Speaker 1: were head by five, which is like the biggest swing
Speaker 1: Gallop has ever recorded, and that UM, so that's bad. UM.
Speaker 1: But also, what do you mean by party identification of
Speaker 1: people identifying as people identifying to Gallop in a poll
Speaker 1: as Democratic right? UM? And I found a good well,
Speaker 1: I don't know how, I'm not an expert on any
Speaker 1: of this, but I found an analysis, UM that's pointing
Speaker 1: out that, like, there's a couple of reasons to maybe
Speaker 1: think that it will not go quite as well for
Speaker 1: the Republicans as some people are suggesting. One of them
Speaker 1: is just the fact that, like, UM, in the election,
Speaker 1: House Democrats lost a bunch of seats to Republicans UM
Speaker 1: that were the most vulnerable seats UM, which means that, like,
Speaker 1: of the seats currently being battled, Democrats aren't defending nearly
Speaker 1: as many seats in vulnerable districts, whereas House Republicans actually
Speaker 1: have a lot of seats and districts where things are
Speaker 1: more split that they have to defend. UM. Redistricting has
Speaker 1: gone reasonably well for Democrats compared to like what people
Speaker 1: were worried about. UM. And you know, in the Senate,
Speaker 1: they're not defending a whole lot of seats that are
Speaker 1: particularly vulnerable compared to what they were. So it's it's
Speaker 1: it's possible, and it's one of those things. If this
Speaker 1: actually is kind of like a slug match and it's
Speaker 1: kind of hard to tell at the end of it
Speaker 1: who's come out on top, that's a disaster for Republicans. UM,
Speaker 1: so we'll see what happens. I'm not I don't know again,
Speaker 1: like we've been talking about, there's so much that's like
Speaker 1: catastrophic these days that I'm just like trying not to
Speaker 1: there's not there's like the I don't know. Uh, it
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like obsessing over the mid terms is any
Speaker 1: better than obsessing over anything else we're in. We're in
Speaker 1: pretty like if the mid terms go great, I'm still
Speaker 1: not convinced that the primary catastrophic problems facing us as
Speaker 1: a civilization we'll get fixed. But like, if the midterms
Speaker 1: go real good for the Democrats, it's certainly means that
Speaker 1: it's less likely things will be catastrophic, uh for almost
Speaker 1: here on planet Earth, but not necessarily by enough to
Speaker 1: really matter for most people, because I mean what will
Speaker 1: matter is you know, the concept of the end of democracy.
Speaker 1: But also if we do not take massive action on
Speaker 1: climate change, UM, democracy will not survive the coming decades
Speaker 1: of refugee influxes and in natural disasters, as we've seen
Speaker 1: in a number of parts of the world already, which
Speaker 1: is why the percentage of human beings living in authoritarian
Speaker 1: regimes has like shot up by very like something thirty
Speaker 1: or in the last um decade and change like it's
Speaker 1: we're we're watching the dissolution of democracy on a global
Speaker 1: scale in favor of authoritarianism. And there's positive signs and
Speaker 1: that generally speaking, the fact that Ukraine has done so
Speaker 1: much better than Russia in this war is potentially very
Speaker 1: significant because whatever, there's a number of serious issues with
Speaker 1: the Ukrainian government, as there's with any government, but it
Speaker 1: is a democracy. It is a functioning democracy um with
Speaker 1: a with a rule of law, which is why like
Speaker 1: the former president Portushenko got lost his election to Zelinsky
Speaker 1: and had to flee the country because he had been
Speaker 1: he was very extremely Ukraine is a function of Russia.
Speaker 1: Russia is not I thought you were saying Russia. I
Speaker 1: was like, no, you know, but I want to see
Speaker 1: and one of the I mean part of why they've
Speaker 1: been doing so well, I mean they've routed It was
Speaker 1: not a retreat around Kiev, the level of documented Russian
Speaker 1: armored armored losses outside of him alone, it's not not
Speaker 1: a retreat, it's a route. It was a that is
Speaker 1: a disaster militarily. UM. And you know, we'll see what
Speaker 1: actually happens in the east now that that both sides
Speaker 1: are able to kind of redeploy some forces. I think
Speaker 1: that might benefit Ukraine more than it does Russia, because
Speaker 1: the Russian forces that pulled away from Kiev suffered Titanic losses,
Speaker 1: whereas the Ukrainian military seems to still be in pretty
Speaker 1: good order. But part of why you're seeing Ukraine outperformed
Speaker 1: Russia's so much. Obviously there's the factor of like Western weapons,
Speaker 1: but Western weapons, as we have seen in a number
Speaker 1: of conflicts so far, are only useful insofar as you
Speaker 1: have functional battle doctrine and functional military leadership in order
Speaker 1: to um enable functional resistance. We've been training them. There's
Speaker 1: a yeah that that has not been a non factor
Speaker 1: the US and NATO, but I think that is less
Speaker 1: we have been. I think that is less of a
Speaker 1: factor than the fact that Ukrainians developed through eight years
Speaker 1: of experience fighting a peer force. UM. Really significant and
Speaker 1: and uh auto cathonic, you know, having arisen from within
Speaker 1: the society battle doctrine that had not really had not
Speaker 1: been tested before. I think, uh so that's I think
Speaker 1: a major factor in what we're saying. And Mocker's yeah,
Speaker 1: and that doesn't you know, that'll that'll to get you
Speaker 1: so far. It's better to be smart than than it
Speaker 1: is to be tough. UM. And what the Ukrainian military
Speaker 1: did after was except number one, the reality of their situation,
Speaker 1: which is they had just gotten a fucking pantst by
Speaker 1: the Russian Army, some disastrous armored losses on behalf of
Speaker 1: the Ukrainian military that looked like the ship you're seeing
Speaker 1: the Russian supper right now. And it was because Ukraine
Speaker 1: was a tremendously corrupt country, UM, with all of these
Speaker 1: oligarchs who had terrible influence within not just the civil
Speaker 1: society but within the military. UM. You had very corrupt
Speaker 1: military leadership. You had very like a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: military units whose parts had been sold off wholesale that
Speaker 1: weren't actually ready to fight. UM. And Ukrainians, after kind
Speaker 1: of fighting to retain a democracy, UM, voted in a
Speaker 1: series of people who, for all of their flaws, made
Speaker 1: some major reforms to the way the military functions and
Speaker 1: who commanded it um that were extremely effective. And so
Speaker 1: I don't know, I try not to. I'm really trying
Speaker 1: not to be too much of a duomer. There is
Speaker 1: there are signs that, like, it's not an insurmountable fight,
Speaker 1: because one of the good things about authoritarians is that
Speaker 1: they're bad at a lot of stuff. They're really good
Speaker 1: at fucking up a bunch of different things at the
Speaker 1: same time, UM, in a way that makes it hard
Speaker 1: to deal with because you have to be a lot
Speaker 1: more competent to fix the things they're fucking up, right, UM.
Speaker 1: But they also when you when you're able to engage
Speaker 1: them kind of directly, when you can stop sort of
Speaker 1: fuxing around the edges of the fight and throw down
Speaker 1: with them face to face, UM, they're not often nearly
Speaker 1: as competent UH in a straight up fight as they
Speaker 1: are in kind of this sort of insurgent arson cultural
Speaker 1: ship that they that they've are very good at. UM.
Speaker 1: And so I think that's kind of the struggle for
Speaker 1: the left UH and for the center in the coming years,
Speaker 1: is to force these guys with like climate change is
Speaker 1: to force them to stare the reality of it in
Speaker 1: the face and then hit them in the face repeatedly,
Speaker 1: like not not not battle around the edges of this ship,
Speaker 1: but actually organize and get together to an extent that
Speaker 1: we can, that we can that they that they're forced
Speaker 1: to deal with this face to face um and there
Speaker 1: are like signs for optimism. They're one of the things
Speaker 1: that this is not specifically climate change related, but it
Speaker 1: speaks to the potential of organization to solve these problems.
Speaker 1: Is like when we had when Trump was like threatening
Speaker 1: and we had that budget shut down and ship of
Speaker 1: the government, the longest one in history. It got put
Speaker 1: down because like the airline stewardess Is union was like, well,
Speaker 1: we'll do a strike, We'll go on strike and then
Speaker 1: you can't have planes, and like what are you gonna
Speaker 1: do then? And they caved immediately. And if you actually
Speaker 1: do get you know, that was one small example, but
Speaker 1: it points to the potential of like if you actually
Speaker 1: can get enough people and most people are broadly in
Speaker 1: support of things like not having the climate collapse, if
Speaker 1: you can actually manage to weld folks together long enough
Speaker 1: to take some of these issues on head on. Um.
Speaker 1: Right wing resistance tends to not be able to actually
Speaker 1: deal with it their best when everybody's distracted and unfocused
Speaker 1: in dealing with a million things, which is why they
Speaker 1: try to funk up a million things at once. Right. Um,
Speaker 1: that's that's the that's the genius in their tack, because
Speaker 1: if they can funk up enough things at once that
Speaker 1: everybody's focusing on a bunch of separate stuff, it's really
Speaker 1: hard to kind of get them to grips and actually
Speaker 1: get them locked into a fucking fist fight. If you
Speaker 1: can get them locked into a fist fight, they're probably
Speaker 1: going to lose the fist fight. It's just a matter
Speaker 1: of actually forcing that fight before they are able to
Speaker 1: crumble everything around you and you have nowhere to stand?
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? That's where that's actually very well
Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, anyway, that's probably a podcast, right. It
Speaker 1: certainly felt like a past um I would if I
Speaker 1: didn't mention that. In response to increased unionization, Howard Schultz
Speaker 1: says he's going to try to win back by doing
Speaker 1: Starbucks n f T S. Yes, you could have saved
Speaker 1: it for Thursday, and we can still we can talk
Speaker 1: about it a link on Thursday, but I feel like
Speaker 1: because I'm waiting, lou have you have you found more
Speaker 1: info on like what they're actually trying to do? Because
Speaker 1: I am desperate to learn what the real I don't
Speaker 1: know what. Uh it's just that Speechie gave but just
Speaker 1: Starbucks n f t s. So don't unionize for for
Speaker 1: all the good boys and girls, you do not. All right,
Speaker 1: that's it for us. We podcasted, We did it, We
Speaker 1: went on a journey. Thank you to Robert and Robert
Speaker 1: only for watching Patriot. Cody, you're no longer my friend.
Speaker 1: You are welcome. That is extreme. That's too fair. It's
Speaker 1: too far. It's too far with HR that I now
Speaker 1: have to have thanks to my experience with the show Patriot.
Speaker 1: How about the guy who plays the HR manager of Patriot.
Speaker 1: Oh he's so good, Oh my god. The episode in
Speaker 1: season two where they're all out drinking, very funny, really
Speaker 1: quite an ensemble show. I've I've I enjoyed a lot,
Speaker 1: well we're going to sell a Patriot camaraderie. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: enjoyed the show Patriot, which ended like three years ago. Yea,
Speaker 1: all right, we'll be back next week. Bye. Everything Everything
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