1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: the players, by the players. Here is your host, four 3 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: team year NFL veteran and Hall of Famer Anius Williams. 4 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast. I am a Nius Williams, 5 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: hanging out with you just as I have before. Today 6 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: we're talking about teammates, reconnecting with the old ones and 7 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: surrounding yourselves with the new ones as you move on 8 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: to your life's next chapter. Gives me the pleasure of 9 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: hanging out today with Jaguar's legend. He threw a touchdown 10 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 1: on me about of fact. Yeah, I'm just thinking about it. People. 11 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: Did you say that confession is good for the soul 12 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: but horrible for the reputation? The legend there Mark Brunel, 13 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: For some reason, I believe at some point later on 14 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: we'll see him somewhere in Catton. Welcome, Mark, So glad 15 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: to be here with you. And can this ferocious defensive 16 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: end uh, who's who's already put it out there? He's 17 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: put it out there in the Nebraska glory days are 18 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: returning right none other than Mike Rutger holding it down. 19 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: And then this guy, even though I didn't know you, 20 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 1: Daryl Tally For some reason. I always like you set 21 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: Joiner in terms of just setting a tone one of 22 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: my lineback of friends like don't mess with these guys. 23 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: We had had the same mindset exactly, and I this 24 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: is the first time I've ever thought that, ever said it. 25 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: It came to me right now. So glad to have you, Daryl. 26 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: Thank you. So I want to start first with this 27 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: little thirty second deal that we have on the field. 28 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: That's there's something we did before every play. Well, hold up, 29 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: we got the other for that little dirty seconds strategize right, 30 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: looked at each other, at fust at each other. I 31 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: knew who missed the play my prior play. Why weren't 32 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: you in that hole? Right? That was my job exactly. 33 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: Why weren't you in that hole? Where were you at? 34 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: I was just the opposite, really, because my mentality in 35 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: the game was you can't do anything about the previous play. 36 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: So if a tackle gave up a sack or a 37 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: receiver dropped the ball, I can't do anything about it. 38 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: All I can do is encouraged. So you know what 39 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna get the next one. You're gonna be fine. 40 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: Let's go, you know so, but I did my best 41 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: to focus on the next play. All Right, we're gonna 42 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: be fine. Hey, we're dug ourselves a little hole there. 43 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be better. You're gonna be better, you know. 44 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,839 Speaker 1: So there's that balance, there's the time to hey, why 45 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: weren't you in that hole? And hey, man, you're playing great, 46 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: or you're gonna get this next one kind of thing 47 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: what you Mike, My thing was was in more like 48 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: encouragement when things weren't going right, because the first couple 49 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: of years we struggled on defense. So mine was kind 50 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: of more like on that hype man. So you could 51 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: kind of feel it in that huddle where you needed 52 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: some juice and sometimes you had to create it whether 53 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: whether you were in it or not. And so just 54 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: trying to be that glue, to try to be that 55 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: positive light in the huddle was kind of the where 56 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: where I kind of came from. I think about the 57 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: huddle and I'll say where I want to know, how 58 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: can we reconnect with guys? Because the other thing if 59 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: you did had a bad play, you were in the 60 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: huddle that was like your your sovereign place right right 61 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: where you can well you can see that, Darrow, and 62 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: maybe Daryl may say just don't get beat. But also 63 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: Daryl was in, let's go right, let's go to the 64 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: next place right this because we only got thirty seconds 65 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: and the first thing we all got to do is 66 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: when we finished, if there's fussing, everybody gotta be quiet, 67 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: so that Mike back or whoever called to play, or 68 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: the quarterback, right, you got to hear it, particularly if 69 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: you're in the poles and people stadiums, right, How do 70 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: we parlay that now with legends to encourage them to 71 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: do the same thing, whether it's reconnecting with a legend 72 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: right many is there is there a way you're doing 73 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: in your life now, Darryl or what's that like? Um? 74 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: What I'm doing now is working in the Legends community. 75 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: What I've done is actually start going back through the 76 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: rosters and just seeing guys that they don't we don't 77 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: have contact information for trying to find it through guys 78 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: that I know. Say man, have you seen so and so? 79 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 1: Have you talked to him? The guys that you knew 80 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: to talk to each other all the time. You called 81 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: contact one of them and say, hey, man, we need 82 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 1: to find Kirby. It looks like if I was looking 83 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: for Kirby Jackson, I call Leonard Smith. Hey, Leonard, when's 84 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: the last time you talked to Kirby? Nobody's heard from me. Um. 85 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: When things started, we're going south with Jim. Everybody knew 86 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: about it, but not everybody was telling you what was 87 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 1: going on, and we weren't getting the truth to what 88 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: we wanted to know. So I was like, okay, and 89 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: the one way to get the information. When he got 90 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: the information, I said, Okay, here's the information. Guys getting 91 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: through different avenues, Trainers, coaches that are there, people that 92 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: are around them. So did you get what's actually there? 93 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: So I'm here in Darrow sale taste, effort, He's got it. 94 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: That is just it is effort. It's just like football, mind, 95 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:33,119 Speaker 1: it's effort. It's effort in everything you do. Now, Mark, 96 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: how has it been for you? When I retired, one 97 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: of the things that I appreciated the most about playing 98 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: was it was my teammates. You know, being a quarterback, 99 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: quarterbacks very situational. I don't do a thing unless I 100 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: have good people around me. Like my seasons. When I 101 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: had a good year, it was a Pro Bowl year, 102 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: good numbers or whatever, because I had good teammates. I 103 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: had guys can catch the ball. I guys blocking for me. 104 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: I had a running game, defense was solid. And when 105 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: I retired, I valued that so much. And it's been 106 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: my you know, I played from the time I was 107 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: ten to forty. You know, I had thirty seasons of football, 108 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: and over the course of that time, I realized just 109 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: how important it was to have good people around me. 110 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: So when I retired, I was in pursuit of that 111 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: very thing, making sure that whatever my next phase of 112 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: my life was, that I was gonna have good people 113 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: around me. And so I became a high school coach. 114 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: And you know, if you coach high school, you've got 115 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: to love the kids. That's why you do it. But 116 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: another thing about that is that I have an incredible 117 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: coaching staff, old, young, experience and experience. But the ten 118 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: guys that I have coaching for me helped me to 119 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: be a better head coach. But it goes deeper than that. 120 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: Over the last five years, these guys have become very 121 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: good friends. We don't just talk about football. We spend 122 00:06:55,800 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: time get to know one another and um having those 123 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,239 Speaker 1: tough conversations. I like to think I make them better. 124 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: I know for a fact they make me better because 125 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: there it's not servicing. They're asking me the tough questions, 126 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: tough questions, and these guys have become uh lifelong friends. 127 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: I value them and I know that I can't be 128 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: a very good head coach without their input and their 129 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: expertise and their friendship. I've really been on this thing 130 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: on self awareness and self awareness is me knowing all 131 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: I am is I'm a pass rush it. It's kind 132 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: of like Dennis rob I'm a rebounder and becoming aware 133 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: of it. When we talked about huddle, guys separate when 134 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: they leave the game legends. They get away from the things, 135 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: the incentives, people running alongside you, that challenge of your teammate, 136 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you right. We get out those environments 137 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, we own our own. A 138 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: lot of times when the legends, you guys have reached 139 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: out to them, and a lot of times it has 140 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: to do guys have isolated themselves. And I can example 141 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: my own personally. I got involved in the car dealership, 142 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: the car business. I bought six car dealerships, all right, 143 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: and I bought it while I was still playing right 144 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: if I had had the wisdom that I needed. Number One, 145 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: you don't buy six at the outstet. Number two, you 146 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: don't do it while you're playing when you have people 147 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: that you trust in the huddle who tells you not 148 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: only come on, man, all right, that didn't work out, 149 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: But let's here's the next place. As you said, and 150 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: self awareness is where I have an accurate assessment of 151 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: the things I do well and the things I don't 152 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: and then surround myself with those teammates that do those 153 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: things well and humble myself. It'd be like Mark Are 154 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: It's like you stick telling I think you said the 155 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 1: corner Nate, Yeah, you go tell Nate, Hey man, you 156 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: ain't coming that guy. I'm covering him. No, No, I'm 157 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: not saying. What I'm saying is this is sometimes what 158 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: we do and and we're in ourselves. We don't realize it. 159 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: And I think what you're touching on is at the 160 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: core of the Legends community is trying to recreate that 161 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 1: huddle at places like the Pro Bowl, super Bowl, the Draft, 162 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: the combine where guys can come back together. Like Darryl 163 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: were two different errors when we played, and I've gotten 164 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: to known him over the last year. You know, I 165 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: feel like we were in the same life room at 166 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: different times. But that's that brotherhood that we have that 167 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: we kind of distanced ourselves from. We talk about mindset 168 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: and we take that thirty seconds in the huddle or 169 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 1: whether you're lefting, when you take that pause between sets. 170 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: Those things we get away from and those are what 171 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: have made us great. That's what we're an expert at six, seven, 172 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: eight years old. And yes, at some point in time, 173 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: at whatever age in your twenties and thirties, we have 174 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: to physically maybe stop the game, but being able to 175 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: take those same that same toolbox of mindset and and 176 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: the strategy and and and being able to you know, 177 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: love that competition and then transfer that. And I think 178 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: that transfer part, that transition part, is where it gets cloudy. 179 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: We need professionals, the legends, communities, teammates that help us 180 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: through that that cloud, through that cloud, through that transition 181 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: to see that we still have these tools in the toolbox. 182 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: Now we just need to transfer that over to the bank, 183 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: We need to transfer that into the business world, or 184 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: we need to transfer that into this networking group. Well 185 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: you think, Mark, yeah, I agree. I mean it's we 186 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: played a team sport, and we were so dependent on 187 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: each other, and we got used to that. There were 188 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: some that thought, you know, hey, I could do this 189 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: by myself. You don't have success by yourself, no matter 190 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: how good you are. Hall of Famer doesn't matter. Tom 191 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: Brady was amazing. It is amazing, But that joker ain't 192 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: win in six Super Bowls unless there's a culture in place. 193 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: He's surrounded by good teammates all of that, So why 194 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: would it be different when we leave? We lose that. 195 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: I think what I heard Mike say, We lose that 196 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: connectivity realizing that, man, I still need my brothers, and 197 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: you can't. As hard as it might be, you still 198 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: can recreate what you had, the very thing that made 199 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: you successful, having good people around you, being in the 200 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: locker room, being on a team. You can recreate that. 201 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: It's not easy to do, but one thing whatever you're 202 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: the next stage of your life is you've got to 203 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: realize that you need people and to connect to guys 204 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: that get it. You know that, whether they played in 205 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: the sixties or the seventies, those guys get it. Why 206 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: would I not want to do whatever I can to 207 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: connect with those guys? We have the Legends lounges. It's 208 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: amazing what happens in those moments, some kind of connection, 209 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: and it's like you're you're right back playing again because 210 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: you're surrounded by these guys that are going through this 211 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: same stuff that's just like a year ago. When because 212 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: I've gone through a whole lot of trials and tribulations 213 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: here in the past couple of years. So when I 214 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: got the opportunity to do stuff in the Legends community, 215 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 1: and when I walked in and I started to meet 216 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: these guys, I'm going, Okay, yes, I've seen them, I've 217 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: watched them play from Afar and actually get to sit 218 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: down and talk to them. Boy, does it make you 219 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: open up and say, Okay, Daryl, let's get back on 220 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: this bicycle. Get your feet moving. Because when I came 221 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: out of the game, none of you, you guys were 222 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: just probably playing high school or college. I got out 223 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: of the game, there was none of the things that 224 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: these guys have in place. So when we went to 225 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: ask people, we used to go to ask people in 226 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: the business area to help us do things and learn 227 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,719 Speaker 1: to do things, and the guys told you, no, no, no, no, 228 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: you don't have time for this. You don't want to 229 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 1: do this. You want to go keep your money in 230 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: a bank, and you don't want to do any of this. 231 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: You don't want to be involved in this, because they 232 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: didn't want you to take that competitive at attitude that 233 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: you have on the football field and take it into 234 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: the business world. Because they figured, if he already is 235 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: that good at being manipulative and getting guys to work 236 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: with him on the football field, what's he gonna do 237 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: in the business world if he learns the grassroots of 238 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: what he's doing. And I looked at the guy and 239 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 1: I said, dude, I'm just trying to learn something. And 240 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: that's when I knew everything outside of the arena of 241 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: football is a cutthroat world. Everybody out here is trying 242 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: to cut your your neck off, no matter what you 243 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: said outside the arena football. Yeah, because most of the 244 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: guys when you play football with him and you're in 245 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: that locker room with those guys, those guys, well, I 246 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: was fortunate, I should say mcgudel majority of guys on 247 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: my team. I think they did a very good job 248 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: in putting a collective group of guys together that thought 249 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: the same way and had a similar mindset and we 250 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: all believe that if I helped you, you were gonna 251 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: help me. We'll all get to that. We had ourselfish 252 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: guys that wanted to be I'm gonna be the best 253 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: of this. Okay, you could be the best of that, 254 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: but first of all, before you be the best of that, 255 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: you better do your job first. Then after you do 256 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: your job, you can be the best of whatever you 257 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: want to do. I don't care. I have a question 258 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: for you, guys. There's a worry come to me that 259 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: would not normally be said within a football community. It's 260 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: a word called humility. How would you describe? And I 261 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: promise you just about every person has ever played on 262 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: the team has operated with some form of humility and 263 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: didn't even know it true. How would you describe that 264 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: trait that would help a legend today? Mark, We've all 265 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: been humbled for me. Humility is understanding full well one 266 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: that everything that I have, any gift or talent or strength, 267 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: it was, It's a gift. It's been given to me. 268 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: The places that that the game has allowed me to go, 269 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 1: where it's taken me, I'm thankful for it because I 270 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: owe the people that went before me, and I owe 271 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: the people that helped shape my life. I think that's 272 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: an important part of humility, understanding that you did not 273 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: get there by yourself. You did not. I don't care 274 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: who you are. People helped you get to where you're at. 275 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: And if you think you're all that and you did 276 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: it by yourself, you're a fool. You didn't learn everything 277 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: you learn in your in your life from one individual 278 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: in your family. You learn from everybody in it. A 279 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: lot of people don't get that. A lot of people 280 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: can't say that I did this wrong and I need 281 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: some help and I don't know what to do because 282 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: they think they're less of a man for doing that. 283 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think it's more of a 284 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: man to say it. At the end, What about you, Mike, 285 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: when yeah, you know, just wrapping up with both the 286 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: Fellows said, is we we've we've been surrounded and we're 287 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: in the ultimate team sport, and we can mess up 288 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: at times, and we might have our buddy next to 289 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: us to cover force. Many times when I missed the 290 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: tackle and you know my linebacker made that tackle, and 291 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: and and we've covered for each other and then we 292 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: kind of go out on our own and if we 293 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: don't self reflect and understand that i can't go through 294 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: life by myself. I'm going to need people to help me. 295 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: Just like an engine needs different parts. They've got this big, 296 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: expensive engine, but if you don't have a spark, plug, 297 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: ain't moving or gasoline. So it works together. And I 298 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: think going back to the community and being you know, 299 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: either humbled or or humility, and we we gotta be there. 300 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: And sometimes it might be being there for your buddy 301 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: and speaking for him, maybe because he's not ready, he's 302 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: in a different spot. So we try to wrap all 303 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: these things up. But at the end of the day, 304 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: when I look at it, it's still a village and 305 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: still a community. I have a question to come to you, Mark. 306 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: I remember seeing a Football Life by coach Tom Coughlin, 307 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: and you may have seen it. I don't know. It's 308 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: fascinating to me. It's fast Senatian, so obviously you know 309 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: coach Coach Coughlin. Coach said Boston College. Then with you Mark, Jacksonville, 310 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: and I don't know was he fired? Did they fired 311 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: with Jackson right? They fired him in Jacksonville. Well, it 312 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: didn't start so well in New York either with the Giants. 313 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: And I remember on his football life. His daughter and 314 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: his wife they saw the same thing coming that had 315 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: happened in Jacksonville, that he was so rigid, so domineering. 316 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: He came home and he said, there are usually lights 317 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: out when he comes home. He said, this time the 318 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: lights were on and it was his wife and his 319 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: daughter and they said, I don't know. She said, Tom, 320 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: She said, Tom, sit down, we need have a conversation 321 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: with you. They said, we should have done this when 322 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: we were in Jacksonville because we saw this coming. He 323 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: had to hear a perspective from two people in his 324 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: life who may not know anything about running the football team. 325 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 1: And he listened the next day. This tumba humility. Right. 326 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: It's a wife and daughter giving you information, not Vince Lombardi. Right, 327 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: So it's easy to say, right. So so I'm still 328 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: going back to the humility, and I really there's another word. 329 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: I'll go to the opposite side. I think the biggest 330 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: challenge when we leave the game is our pride. So 331 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: Tom the first thing did the next day he calls 332 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: the media and he has all of them come up 333 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: and sit around his desk and then begins to have 334 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: more of a civil conversation with him. Then he called 335 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: one of the leaders, Mike Michael Strahan, and they put 336 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: together a little group and he called them and he 337 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: started listening to him. And I wanted to know Mark 338 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: the Jaguar days with what coach Coughlin, how has coaching 339 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: and you're being a coach now, how is coaching? You 340 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: gravitate into coaches, the good ones and the ones that 341 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: are not so good. Tell me about that. Well, the 342 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: first thing I'm gonna say is I wish he I 343 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: wish his wife and his daughter I did have that conversation. 344 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: That would have been very nice. Now what was that? Now? 345 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: Share with that? Honestly we we we love coach, right, 346 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: but just what do you mean when you say what what? What? 347 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: What were you experiencing from him as a coach that 348 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: you wish they had had that conversation? What the giants 349 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: experience in there? Maybe the first couple of years or 350 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: whatever it was with Michael antiki um and Eli was 351 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: what we had in Jacksonville. It was rigid, it was, 352 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: I will say it was. It wasn't the greatest working environment. 353 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: It was very strict. He demanded a lot, which is okay, 354 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: but that's really all it was. During the Sea Sason. 355 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: Tom was all football, but he was tough and the 356 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: littlest of things that that you know, he'd get after 357 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: you about the little things. He he majored on the miners. 358 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: But I will say that even with that, in the 359 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: off season he was like a different person. He would 360 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: ask you about your family. You'd see him at the 361 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: charity events, He'd have smile on his face, and he 362 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: was great and and I remember thinking, why can't we 363 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: have more of that during the season. But the guys 364 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: that have been around for a while understood full well 365 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: that he really is a good guy. And I know 366 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,239 Speaker 1: I appreciate him now more than I ever did when 367 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: I was playing. I get it, But what do you 368 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: appreciate now? I appreciate my co consistency. I appreciate that 369 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: he gave me my shot and I was his quarterback. 370 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: I understand the need for discipline and high expectations. I 371 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: just wish I had a chance to really more on 372 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 1: a personal level, get to know the man, because I 373 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: knew he was a good man. And the hard part 374 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: was is that we were winning, so it can't really 375 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:06,959 Speaker 1: argue with it. But when we started losing because he 376 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,719 Speaker 1: was he was like that and he was so firm 377 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: and so regimented, and so you know, um it was 378 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: it created a really tough environment. Listen, there's strengths and 379 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 1: weaknesses about every coach. I just know I on a 380 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: personal level, I wish there was a little bit more 381 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: connection with my head coach. The one thing I'm hearing 382 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: again is when we also leave the game, we leave coaching, right, 383 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: because some of us may have had bad coaches, right 384 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: and some good. But look like when legends leave the game, 385 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: they like I don't want to be coached by anyone. 386 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: We We need to trust the people that we that 387 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: care about us, you know, and that could be a 388 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 1: family member, it could be a friend. But again going 389 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: back to that that community piece and what we've lost 390 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 1: because these things have been good, whether they've been good coaches, 391 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 1: back coaches, there's certain things that we learned from each 392 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: one that we can take in that transition to the 393 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: next level. You know. Even one of some of the 394 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: things we do with this player's coalition and the ownership 395 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: as relates to, uh, what's happening in society. And there's 396 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: a campaign from the league office. It talks about courageous listening, right, 397 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: And I wrote about it and things like that. But 398 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: when you really think about it, it takes courage to 399 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: listen right, because that takes. That takes do it correct, 400 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 1: That takes what were you hetting a take? What I 401 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: was gonna tell you was when I got done playing, 402 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 1: I was the type guy that was up at five 403 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: in the morning, four in the morning, go lift or whatever. Well, 404 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: when I got done playing, I'm at home, so I'm 405 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: out of the bed first thing in the morning, got 406 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: the kids up, white fixes breakfast for him. I didn't 407 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: clean their bedrooms, everything's done, drop them off at school. 408 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: I come back and I'm sitting around the house, and 409 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 1: I thought, when are you gonna do that? When are 410 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: you gonna do this? My wife said, hold it down, 411 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: sit out, we need to have this talk. She said, 412 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: I ran this household for a long time without any 413 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: of your input. I do have a system. I get 414 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 1: to it on the certain times when I have it 415 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: on my schedule to do I have. I have a system. 416 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 1: You don't know about my system because you come in 417 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: here thinking you're gonna run rough shod over No stop, 418 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: I run this. Okay, you're talking about humility. Did you 419 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: feel as she was having this conversation with well number one. 420 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: At first I got mad. Then I went, wait a minute, 421 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: she's right, She's right. What made you mad? Because what 422 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: do you think? Because I was trying what I think 423 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 1: maybe mad with maybe angry, was that I wanted to 424 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: get it done and done now, because I was the 425 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 1: type guy that when you had all you got all 426 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 1: your stuff, everything's in a box, everything fits in the spot. 427 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,719 Speaker 1: It's got to go back, so it goes in this place, 428 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: so you when you go to look for something, you 429 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: don't have to run around looking for it. It's always there. Well, 430 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: my wife had a different schedule than my schedule, and 431 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: I had to learn that now I'm in her world, 432 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 1: I've got to get on her schedule and fall in 433 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: line with what she's doing because she's not a coach 434 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: of what's being done around here, not me. And that 435 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: was for me. That was one thing that I had 436 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: to sit there because I've been used to telling guys 437 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: on the field, he look, you need to be in 438 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: this spot. You need to be here. You know what 439 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: you gotta do right and talk to him and say, okay, 440 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 1: everybody got the marching orders, let's go and do that. 441 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: But when it comes to her telling me what to do, 442 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: and I was like, well, wait a minute. I thought 443 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: I was the one telling everybody what to do. Now 444 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here with my mouth shut and I'm like, okay, 445 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: you're telling me it was already three woman told me 446 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: and put me my place. This vicious linebacker that called 447 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: changed to play that the coach sits in the huddle 448 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 1: five what five? Three down pounds? Yeah, what's the most 449 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: you've have? A bench press? Bro. I had to sit 450 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: down and listen, and to this day right now, had 451 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: it had me going through all the things I've gone through, 452 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: she's still been sitting there in that corner, going no, 453 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 1: I can't do that. My voice of reasoning. It's hard 454 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: to listen. It's hard to listen, you think about, especially 455 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: when you've been an expert at your craft that's bard 456 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: and you're the one, like, I know what I'm doing here. 457 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: It's hard to listen outside of that realm. We have 458 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: to become better listen. Mark, what love of pride you 459 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: think plays in some of the challenges in the transition 460 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: of of of legends. I think a lot of former players, 461 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: I think that they've got it all figured out, that 462 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: they whatever the next stage of their life is they 463 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: got it? Why would we think we have it? When 464 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: we get an itinerary the temporary world, tell us, tell 465 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: us where we're going, right we have when we on 466 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: live weights told pretty much to us. Right time we 467 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: got to come to the facilities. So the whole time 468 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 1: we're being struck with time two. I was at last 469 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: bus right, It's all on the schedule. So I'm just 470 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: I want to come back to it. And I'm really 471 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: making a facetious moment. But we're told what to do. 472 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 1: This is what we've been doing the whole time. We've 473 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: been told what to do, but we think we're smart 474 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: enough to do it because we've done it so many times, 475 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: it's become second nature to us. Mark, I wanted you 476 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: to go back to it. I didn't mean you know 477 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: the you think about it. Guys are playing in the NFL. 478 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: They're making a lot of money. Um, they are famous, 479 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: some of them, some guys nationally, every guy from his 480 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: hometown or his college, best of the best. The whole 481 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: world has revolved around them. I think when guys leave 482 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: the league, they think nothing's gonna change, that stops, and 483 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: that to me, that's pride thinking that you're all that 484 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: when you leave the game, because you mentioned it earlier, Darryl, 485 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: Things change, you know when I got done, I got 486 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:55,479 Speaker 1: done playing in in two thousand eleven. And Tony Boselli's uh, 487 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 1: my best friend, and he had got done, you know, 488 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: ten years prior. And and he said, listen, and we 489 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: were just having this conversation about transition and what's next. 490 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: He says, you need to understand this. He said, when 491 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: you get out the league, it changes. He says, You're 492 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: gonna have to work. I'm like, what do you mean, 493 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: what do you mean I have to work? I'm living 494 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, That's my town. He says, No, you'll be 495 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: treated differently, You'll be looked at differently. Um, not in 496 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 1: a bat but things change. And uh, and I had 497 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: a measure. If I had a measure, like you know, 498 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: I just like, you know, it could be fight you 499 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: got you gotta work. And that's and he's not just 500 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: talking about a job. He's at home. It's in your relationships, 501 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: it's in yourself. How how is it to communicate that? 502 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: As transition coaches, I always tell people like if I'm 503 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: going down the street and there's potholes and I tell you, hey, 504 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: don't go down the street, go down another street. Why 505 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: would you want to go down the strange street? I 506 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: went down with all those potholes right, So to me, 507 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: there's a sense of pride there. Whether it's business. You know, 508 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: a lot of guys jump into business. I did the 509 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: same thing. I had a plan. I did internships every 510 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: off season. But that still does not exempt you from 511 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: heartaches and hardships. I always go back. My kids do 512 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: the same thing, and I'm like, I told you don't 513 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: do that, and they go do it. And then I said, look, 514 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: see so again that that pride is strong. So Darryl, 515 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you. I appreciate your mark. 516 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: Thank you, and we out this was the best yet, 517 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: but yet our best is yet to come. 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