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Speaker 1: Space a final frontier. Welcome to Daily Variety, your daily

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Speaker 1: dose of news and analysis for entertainment industry insiders. It's Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: March twenty fifth, twenty twenty six. I'm your host, Cynthia Littleton.

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Speaker 1: I am co editor in chief of Variety alongside Ramin Setuda.

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Speaker 1: I'm in LA He's in New York, and Variety has

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Speaker 1: reporters around the world covering the business of entertainment. In

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Speaker 1: today's episode, we're talking Star Trek with Variety's Joe Otterson.

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Speaker 1: He analyzes the outlook for the Star Trek universe on television.

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Speaker 1: That was, of course, the theme of the original NBC

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Speaker 1: series that you heard in the cold open. Otterson broke

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Speaker 1: the news this week that the latest Star Trek series

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Speaker 1: to run on Paramount plus Starfleet Academy will end after

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Speaker 1: just two seasons. It's not a good sign for what

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Speaker 1: was once one of TV's most durable franchises. Otterson helps

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Speaker 1: put it into perspective for us. But before we get

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Speaker 1: to that, here are a few headlines just in this

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Speaker 1: morning that you need to know. The big story that

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Speaker 1: everybody's talking about in showbiz is the demise of Sora

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Speaker 1: OpenAI decided to pull the plug on its generative AI

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Speaker 1: powered video service. Disney is dropping its plan to invest

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Speaker 1: one billion in Open Ai now that Sora won't license

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Speaker 1: its characters, and everybody is trying to figure out what

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Speaker 1: went wrong. We'll unpack this more in Thursday's episode of

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Speaker 1: Daily Variety with Business editor Todd Spangler and Chief Legal

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Speaker 1: writer Gene Mattis. The BBC has a new director general.

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Speaker 1: Former senior Google executive Matt Britton will take the helm

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Speaker 1: of the UK pubcaster on May eighteenth. He replaces Tim Davey,

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Speaker 1: then his film festival chief Alberto Barbara is set for

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Speaker 1: a cameo in season two of the Studio Seth Rogan's

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Speaker 1: Apple TV comedy has been on the Lido in recent weeks,

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Speaker 1: lensing my colleague Nick Viverrellian Rome had the scoop. Joe

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Speaker 1: on Variety dot com right now and now it's time

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Speaker 1: for conversations with Friday journalists about news and trends in

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Speaker 1: show business. Joe Otterson, Variety's TV news editor, broke the

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Speaker 1: news that Starfleet Academy will shudder after its upcoming second season.

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Speaker 1: There's no way to shade it. The Star Trek franchise

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Speaker 1: is in a wobbly place. The shields are weak. Joe

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Speaker 1: and I have both been Trekkers dedicated to Gene Roddenberry's

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Speaker 1: optimistic vision of the future since we were kids, and

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Speaker 2: Always a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: You broke a big story that landed very big in

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Speaker 1: the universe of Star Trek fandom, Starfleet Academy the company's

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Speaker 1: and universe of characters. The curtain is going to fall

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Speaker 2: Paramount was very hopeful for Starfleet Academy because on average

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Speaker 2: So what is going to happen beyond this final season

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Speaker 2: seems like the Alex Kurtzman earrow of Star Trek is

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Speaker 1: Truly, Star Trek is the og show that proves that

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Speaker 1: nothing ever dies in television. It is just dormant waiting

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you, does it say something about our

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Speaker 1: Do you think any of this has to do with

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Speaker 1: Well, to take the temperature, of course, I went to Reddit,

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Speaker 1: Honor among Thieves and Spider Man Homecoming, are working on

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