Speaker 1: Now, Really Dan Dan, Dan Dan, I love our theme song.
Speaker 1: Can I just say that I love the song ruining it?
Speaker 1: You're singing, Wow, I may be ruining it, but I
Speaker 1: love it. So Hello and welcome everybody to another episode
Speaker 1: of Really No Really. I am internationally below Comedy Superstar
Speaker 1: and Television from Hope for the Ladies, Hopeful Jason An
Speaker 1: Hope for the laugh. How dare you with me today
Speaker 1: as my partner and friend or my friend and partner,
Speaker 1: or just maybe just my partner? Peter Tilden say hello, Peter,
Speaker 1: you Hi. Good to see that was That was exciting.
Speaker 1: That was a real greeting. Can I just tell the
Speaker 1: audience that I'm looking at you, I'm looking at you
Speaker 1: on a camera, and you basically look like you took
Speaker 1: beats and ate a bowl of beats and rubbed them
Speaker 1: onto your face. I think you have one hundred and
Speaker 1: six degree fever today. You you looked terrible, and I
Speaker 1: mean that in a good way. How do you feel?
Speaker 1: I feel like if you don't start this and we
Speaker 1: move it on because I feel terrible, I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: in my car as sick as I feel, drive to
Speaker 1: your house and strong with my bare red hands, and
Speaker 1: that's why you're my partner. And maybe I don't know
Speaker 1: what it is, but you don't look good, So you
Speaker 1: know what, we'll fake it. And that is a segue
Speaker 1: to what we're talking about today. And I'm going to
Speaker 1: tell you, Carte Blanche, our topic today freaks me the
Speaker 1: hell out, and I think it's only going to get worse.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm going to feel better about this
Speaker 1: by the end of the episode, because today we are
Speaker 1: talking about the new world and technology of deep fakes. Now,
Speaker 1: the first time I saw this, I don't know about
Speaker 1: your Peter. The first time I saw it, there was
Speaker 1: a Tom Cruise video online. When I saw it, I said, really, no,
Speaker 1: really that stuff. So it turns out, of course it's
Speaker 1: not Tom Cruise. And then the one that kind of
Speaker 1: made me crazy, and you sent it to me, and
Speaker 1: I hadn't known this was out there. You know the
Speaker 1: scene in Pulp Fiction where John Travolta and Samuel Jackson,
Speaker 1: you know, they go into the house and they're gonna
Speaker 1: blow these guys away, and one guy's hiding out in
Speaker 1: the bathroom and comes out and shoots at them and
Speaker 1: misses everything. And that's why Samuel Jackson thinks there's been
Speaker 1: a miracle. They they made the actor in the bathroom
Speaker 1: Jerry Seinfeld, and they did a soundtrack as if it's
Speaker 1: an episode of Seinfeld with what that damp bam bam
Speaker 1: bamp bland. It didn't think that, you know, but it's
Speaker 1: like it is, it's Jerry Seinfeld, and I'm going, what
Speaker 1: the hell is happening? What is going on? So it
Speaker 1: freaks me out because immediately immediately I go to, oh,
Speaker 1: who's playing around with my face? What are they making
Speaker 1: me do? What are they making me say? What? Because
Speaker 1: you know, it's not like I it's it's not like
Speaker 1: you have to go deep deep dive to find me
Speaker 1: doing ridiculous things in front of a camera. But and
Speaker 1: by the way, so if they did it at the
Speaker 1: company for their sales meeting, or they did it, or
Speaker 1: kid did it and put it out there on YouTube,
Speaker 1: how are you gonna what are you gonna do? You're
Speaker 1: gonna go after him? But me while it's out there
Speaker 1: and you could get a million only the technology is
Speaker 1: becoming more and more available and is getting better and better.
Speaker 1: Can they just start making anyone do anything? Okay? Yeah, yes, yes, Jase,
Speaker 1: they can and then they'll take the fake a little
Speaker 1: Jason and put him in a fake world like the
Speaker 1: metaverse that the Mark Zuckerberg is trying to create. He's
Speaker 1: struggling with it, but it'll happen, but from somebody. And
Speaker 1: because those places sell real estate and they have comedy
Speaker 1: clubs and they have strip clubs. Say what now? Say what? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll get to it. And how do you make it
Speaker 1: rain in the metaverse? I don't know that. Well, we'll
Speaker 1: find we'll find out later. By Jason, let's answer all
Speaker 1: of your questions, especially the big really no, really, can
Speaker 1: anybody make a deep fake? Now? Is that technology exists
Speaker 1: where you can make a deep fake at home of
Speaker 1: somebody and it's undetectable. This guy is the top guy
Speaker 1: when it comes to deep fakes. He's considered the father
Speaker 1: of digital forensics. Jason. Let's meet him and talk to him. Now,
Speaker 1: let's welcome to really No, Really, Professor Honey for Reid,
Speaker 1: who is the dean and how do you see Berkeley
Speaker 1: School of Information And, as I said, considered the father
Speaker 1: of digital forensics. Who better to ask about deep facts
Speaker 1: impacting is now and in the future when we're trying
Speaker 1: to figure out what's truth and what's reality? So go
Speaker 1: for Jay. So we're here with what is your what's
Speaker 1: your favorite title? Honey? Is it? Professor? It is it?
Speaker 1: Sir captain? Is it? One of the great things about
Speaker 1: being an academic is you hold many titles. Professor is
Speaker 1: just fine, Honey is just fine? Um. You know, one
Speaker 1: of the one of the great things about being an
Speaker 1: academic is we get to educate the next generation of
Speaker 1: young minds, which is always inspiring being on campus with
Speaker 1: all these very bright kids, but also really pushing the
Speaker 1: forefront in my case, of where technology is intersecting and
Speaker 1: sometimes colliding with societies and with democracies, and that's that's
Speaker 1: really exciting being on a campus and trying to think
Speaker 1: through some of these issues without the corporate treasurers of
Speaker 1: profits and so on and so forth. You know, what
Speaker 1: all I had, all I asked him is what he
Speaker 1: wanted to be called. And already we're in over my head. Dude,
Speaker 1: I'm a professor, I'm talking about academics, and I just
Speaker 1: wanted to know, is it? Honey? Is a doctor? Far? Well,
Speaker 1: how do you? How do you press your last name? Honey?
Speaker 1: Honnie red and Honi is fine? All right, That's all
Speaker 1: I wanted to know. Don't get ahead of me, honey,
Speaker 1: makes me look stupid based on that leading as a
Speaker 1: as a professor, treat this as a remedial class that
Speaker 1: you're talking about. Yeah, somehow we got in, somehow we
Speaker 1: registered three class, but we're slow. I'm just a theater major,
Speaker 1: so really slow it down for me. So, just for
Speaker 1: remedial purposes for the audience, would you, in your own
Speaker 1: way tell us what is a deep fake? What are
Speaker 1: we talking about? So what you should understand about deep
Speaker 1: fakes is that it's an umbrella term for many, many
Speaker 1: different things. Um At its core, what it's getting at
Speaker 1: is automatically synthesized media that can be audio, can be images,
Speaker 1: or can be video. And by automatically synthesize, I mean
Speaker 1: think about historically how we have manipulated audio, images and videos.
Speaker 1: You make a recording, you cut and you splice, you
Speaker 1: add words, you subtract words with images, put into photoshop,
Speaker 1: manipulate an image, take one person's head off, put another
Speaker 1: person's head on. And essentially what deep face have done
Speaker 1: is automate that process using advances in machine learning and
Speaker 1: artificial intelligence. And the reason why that's interesting and important
Speaker 1: is because when you automate something, you democratize access to
Speaker 1: what has historically been state sponsored actors Hollywood studios who
Speaker 1: could do very sophisticated editing, and you've now put it
Speaker 1: in the hands of the every person who can alter audio,
Speaker 1: alter images, alter video, and of course now distribute that
Speaker 1: to the world instantaneously through social media. So think of
Speaker 1: deep fakes is just an automatic way of manipulating media.
Speaker 1: So immediately what I think is this isn't good. This
Speaker 1: is not a good thing. Is it a good thing?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's let's take away, it's nefarious used for
Speaker 1: a beginning, but is it Is it something that people
Speaker 1: really need to do? Does it have a real purpose
Speaker 1: that's meaningful. Yeah, that's the right question to ask. So
Speaker 1: the people developing these technologies are not, in fact nefarious.
Speaker 1: Most of them are on campuses like where I am,
Speaker 1: around the world, and they have been working on these
Speaker 1: technologies in fact for decades in various forms in the
Speaker 1: fields of computer graphics and then the fields of computer vision,
Speaker 1: with the primary purpose of Hollywood studios and special effects.
Speaker 1: That's mostly where this technology is coming from. Is I
Speaker 1: want to film one performer and I want to make
Speaker 1: them look younger or older. So instead of doing the
Speaker 1: makeup and the special effects, you can do this all
Speaker 1: in post with some deep fake technology. Or I want
Speaker 1: to swap out one face for another space to make
Speaker 1: it a different person. Imagine customized movies or customized TV
Speaker 1: shows where you can mix and match your personalities that
Speaker 1: you have attached to each of the characters. There are
Speaker 1: some technologies that are primarily being developed from nefarious purposes,
Speaker 1: to commit fraud, to commit crimes. That's not this. It's
Speaker 1: just that once you peel away those Hollywood special effect applications,
Speaker 1: what's left is some pretty scary things. And I assume
Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking a little bit about that little
Speaker 1: film trivia from my career. If you want to see
Speaker 1: a great example of it, it's very quick. It's in
Speaker 1: the movie I did, The Adventures, and I know this
Speaker 1: is going to create a rush to get this. On
Speaker 1: the Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle where I played Bars
Speaker 1: batten Off, and there's a scene where I am perched
Speaker 1: on a water tower and they never told me I
Speaker 1: was going to be perched on a water tower. And
Speaker 1: I have a tremendous fear of heights, and I'm now
Speaker 1: eighty feet off the ground, shackled to the water tower.
Speaker 1: I can't fall, but the stunt coordinator is about to
Speaker 1: leave me there I can get a shot, and he
Speaker 1: says to me, Hey, yeah okay, and I went no,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm truly not okay. And if you walk away,
Speaker 1: there's going to be an incident. There's going to be
Speaker 1: at least wet pants if nothing else. So this is
Speaker 1: not going to work. And I actually couldn't do. I
Speaker 1: couldn't I guess if I didn't have to act, I
Speaker 1: probably gonna sat there and screamed like a like a
Speaker 1: like a you know, a baby. But I couldn't act,
Speaker 1: so my stunt double went up and they had to
Speaker 1: put my face in the film. They had to put
Speaker 1: my face on my stunt double, so I was deep
Speaker 1: faked onto another guy. Yeah, honey, let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: If it's I started the premise of our really no realers,
Speaker 1: I can't believe where we are, that the defas are
Speaker 1: so good, they were possibly at the point of no return.
Speaker 1: And then you just made me feel better because if
Speaker 1: they couldn't do, DeNiro and the irishman were it looked real.
Speaker 1: Are we still behind the curve? You look at Denier
Speaker 1: and you go, what's wrong with his face? It was not.
Speaker 1: It was not like boy, a young DeNiro. How'd they
Speaker 1: do that? And that was a Hollywood studio. They didn't
Speaker 1: do it very good job. So here's what I can
Speaker 1: tell you. When you're thinking about these technologies, you always
Speaker 1: have to have to look at the rate of change.
Speaker 1: How are things evolving and how quickly are they evolving?
Speaker 1: And I can tell you, and now the twenty some
Speaker 1: odd years that I've been working in this space, I've
Speaker 1: never seen a technology developed so quickly. I mean really
Speaker 1: every three to four months. You see rapid advances in
Speaker 1: the quality and the sophistication. I think there was a
Speaker 1: seventeen year old in Rhode Island who ran a candidate.
Speaker 1: Right there was a day fake and he ran the
Speaker 1: candidate and it registered. So now what happened? Really the
Speaker 1: election is coming close. Hold on, let's tell let's tell
Speaker 1: that story. This is a great story. This is the
Speaker 1: kid is in Florida. He's a high school student. Everything's
Speaker 1: story like this is from Florida. So this is a
Speaker 1: high school kid board on his Christmas break creates a
Speaker 1: fake profile on LinkedIn of a candidate for US Congress
Speaker 1: in Rhode Island, gets that person the blue check mark
Speaker 1: on Twitter, so the register you know, authenticated, and gets
Speaker 1: the Board of Elections approving him as a candidate. The
Speaker 1: whole thing is fiction. Anybody out there would be out
Speaker 1: of their mind not to hire this kid. I mean,
Speaker 1: this kid is awesome. But here's the real threat of
Speaker 1: deep faiths when you enter this world where any audio recording,
Speaker 1: any image of recording, any video recording can be faith
Speaker 1: whether nothing has to be real and not only is
Speaker 1: this technology advancing too quickly from my taste, seventeen year
Speaker 1: old kids are advancing too quickly from my taste. Seventeen
Speaker 1: year old kid on a school break decides to create
Speaker 1: a deep faith candidate for a congressional seaton Rhode Island.
Speaker 1: I was setting bonfires in the backyard with a magnifying glass.
Speaker 1: That was my big thrill. My mother, by the way,
Speaker 1: was still clipping my gloves to my jacket so I
Speaker 1: wouldn't lose him in the snow. Right, Yeah, seventeen year
Speaker 1: old's creating congressional candidates for good saying that by the way,
Speaker 1: the kid said that he did it in about twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: He was boored doing break and did it twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: Opened it to it because he wanted to see that
Speaker 1: they validated, because we don't want phonies. Since you're the
Speaker 1: guy when it comes to deface, anybody ever come to
Speaker 1: you for help to determine whether it's a deep facing him.
Speaker 1: On the weekly basis, I get an email from somebody,
Speaker 1: many of them are politicians around the world, who have
Speaker 1: typically something around a sex tape, and they're saying it's
Speaker 1: not me, it's a deep fake, prove it, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's probably you. By the way, I
Speaker 1: love that you said pretty typically a sex tape. What
Speaker 1: you're saying is they're all sex tapestically. You mean like
Speaker 1: professor hurried, you know, because somebody made him say boopy,
Speaker 1: you know, here's a kiss a guy wrestling and gristly.
Speaker 1: This could end his career. I don't think so. I
Speaker 1: love how you said that relatively most relatively most yeah wow,
Speaker 1: but this is so. This is the holled liars dip
Speaker 1: end that when the world can be manipulated, well, then
Speaker 1: everybody can just decide on their own set of facts.
Speaker 1: What was this. When I was growing up, I always
Speaker 1: got smacked. My parents could always detect the slacked me.
Speaker 1: I mean only I wish I could beat a liars?
Speaker 1: Did mom liars dividend? It wasn't me? Did your mother
Speaker 1: do the thing? Look? Look look at me in the face,
Speaker 1: Look me in the face, especially grab my face. She
Speaker 1: would make me look, look, grab my face. Professor, I
Speaker 1: gotta ask you, even when people find out they've been
Speaker 1: deep fake, it's stunning. And tell Jason to me, it's
Speaker 1: not necessarily really good news. Right, many many years ago,
Speaker 1: when Carrie was running for president, before deep face was
Speaker 1: even on our radar screen, but we were seeing photoshop manipulation.
Speaker 1: Somebody had created a fake image of Carrie standing next
Speaker 1: to Jane Fonda and nanti war rally and it was
Speaker 1: a fake image. It was probably one of the first
Speaker 1: widely distributed fake images on the Internet. And NTR was
Speaker 1: interviewing somebody after the election. They in this guy said
Speaker 1: would you vote for I couldn't vote for John Kerry?
Speaker 1: Why not? I couldn't get that picture of him and
Speaker 1: Jane found out of my head. The interviewer said, you
Speaker 1: know the photo is fake? And he said, I know
Speaker 1: but I couldn't get it out of my head. And
Speaker 1: that tells you something about the power of visual imagery
Speaker 1: is that even if you can debunk it, it doesn't
Speaker 1: It's very hard for people to undo those things. And
Speaker 1: by the way, there's evidence in the literature and the
Speaker 1: academic literature that when you try to undo effect, it
Speaker 1: actually makes it worse. It's called the boomerang effect. So
Speaker 1: when you try to correct the record, people remember that
Speaker 1: there's a controversy, but they don't remember the sign of
Speaker 1: the controversy, and it ends up reinforcing the false narrative
Speaker 1: in the first place. So setting the record straight online
Speaker 1: is virtually impossible. WHOA wow, honey, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is horrifying. I want to be
Speaker 1: light about this, but this is an extremely concerning It
Speaker 1: is concerning. So okay, I'll make it lighter they I'll
Speaker 1: take you to a lighter place. Now, I got a
Speaker 1: quiz for you. So here are things, and you won't
Speaker 1: know what's true or false. Here are things that you
Speaker 1: think are true your whole life that may not be true,
Speaker 1: that will rock your road. You're ready, okay, but some
Speaker 1: of them are TREI is what you're telling me. It
Speaker 1: can be true. They can be false. Some of them
Speaker 1: may be true. Tell you, I want to leg up. Oh,
Speaker 1: you're a really good listener. You know that I like
Speaker 1: about you. You're a listener. You're from the listeners. And
Speaker 1: my mother would say, here we go. What shaved hair
Speaker 1: grows back thicker? True or false? You've heard that forever.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you first of all, you listen, just
Speaker 1: stomp on my heart going into the quiz. It is false.
Speaker 1: You can share until you can shave, until the cows
Speaker 1: come home. And by the way, that's false. Cows don't
Speaker 1: come home. But no, it does not make it all right.
Speaker 1: The Great Wall of China's visible from space. Everything's visible
Speaker 1: from space. They can see they can see the head
Speaker 1: of a pin with these satellites. No, but not with
Speaker 1: not with amplification. I always say, you can see see
Speaker 1: me if I was standing on this International Space Station,
Speaker 1: can you see the Great waters? Be able to see
Speaker 1: the Great Wall of China? I would, but I have
Speaker 1: very good eyesight. Tell me I'm wrong. Go ahead, tell
Speaker 1: me I'm wrong. You're wrong, you can't see. No, you're wrong,
Speaker 1: don't tell me out and we're out International Station and
Speaker 1: we'll look out the window, and you see who's right
Speaker 1: deep faking me. There. You go. Swimming after eating will
Speaker 1: give you major cramps. It depends what you've eaten, according
Speaker 1: to Billy Crystal. Billy Crystal said his aunt used to
Speaker 1: be or somebody his uncle used to be the arbiter
Speaker 1: of you know, based on what you ate, how long
Speaker 1: you had to wait if you had what did you have?
Speaker 1: I had a tuna fish sandwich twenty minutes? What did
Speaker 1: you have? Spaghetti meat balls? One hour? What did you
Speaker 1: have cheecake tomorrow? Yeah, you're never swimming again. And by
Speaker 1: the way, think about this. My mother used to do that.
Speaker 1: My family would do that. You can't go in right
Speaker 1: away because you're you're you'll get cramps. You ever have
Speaker 1: you ever look up death by cramps in a swimming pool?
Speaker 1: First of all, there're eight thousand people standing next to you.
Speaker 1: It's three feet deep. How are you going You're going down?
Speaker 1: And what what's happening? Just lying there? Nobody's saying anything.
Speaker 1: You're cramping up so bad? Yeah, I mean old people
Speaker 1: would be dead dropping dead in Florida every twenty minutes
Speaker 1: because but they're the cramp. It's like, wow, eighty people
Speaker 1: in the pool and I didn't see Sylvesta lying next
Speaker 1: to me for an hour. And here it's impossible. It's impossible,
Speaker 1: all right, Um, a penny dropped from the top of
Speaker 1: the Empire State Building will kill you, uh it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think the terminal velocity is pretty Yeah, it could.
Speaker 1: Can't penetrate concrete or ausphalt. It won't even cause serious
Speaker 1: damage to a person, and even to the speed of sound,
Speaker 1: still not damage flesh. It most sting a little. How
Speaker 1: about that is news? That's a really no, really, I
Speaker 1: did not know. There you go, you've heard because you've
Speaker 1: heard it your entire life. Yeah, hair and finger nails
Speaker 1: continue to grow after you're dead. In fact, the skin recedes.
Speaker 1: And that's why it looks like, oh, yes, all right,
Speaker 1: true or false? Deep fakes are interviewing for remote jobs.
Speaker 1: Deep fakes are interviewing forte. Could the technology be that
Speaker 1: good already? I would say there's probably truth in that
Speaker 1: in that perhaps they are not using video deep fakes
Speaker 1: but audio deep face video or video deep fax video
Speaker 1: actually interviewing for jobs. And you know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: They're trying to get okays and be hired so they
Speaker 1: can get into it companies, etc. And have access in passwords, etcetera.
Speaker 1: So the FBI is saying, be careful for deep fake interviews.
Speaker 1: How about that? Let me ask you a question. When
Speaker 1: I turn on the beautifi filter on my Zoom, does
Speaker 1: that qualify as a deep fake? Because I don't look
Speaker 1: that good? I was gonna say, if they've seen the
Speaker 1: real you? Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I'm the cabinet
Speaker 1: of doctor Kilgari. For guess you got an h in
Speaker 1: the middle of your head? It looks like a third eye.
Speaker 1: Of course, absolutely. Oh look it's producer David Guggenheim aka Googleheim.
Speaker 1: With either a clarification, a correction, or an explanation Googleheim
Speaker 1: pronounced Caligari. The Cabinet of Doctor Kalighari refers to a
Speaker 1: silent horror film from nineteen twenty considered to be a
Speaker 1: classic of expressionist cinema in post World War One Germany.
Speaker 1: The theme, which is about the abusive authority, features an
Speaker 1: insane hypnotist who uses a somnombulist or a sleepwalker for burger.
Speaker 1: Spoiler alert, all of the flashbacks are actually delusions of
Speaker 1: inmates of the asylum, where Calaghari is the director. Much
Speaker 1: thanks google him. Now go away. So Jason, we're hearing
Speaker 1: about Bruce willis giving a deep fake company the rights
Speaker 1: to his image, which, by the way, isn't it wasn't true.
Speaker 1: Not true, James L. Jones signing, He's not true, James W.
Speaker 1: Jones signing his voice or the rights to his voiceover
Speaker 1: not true. He just gave the rights to the Darth
Speaker 1: Vader voice to Lucasfilm, so when he's gone, he's ninety one,
Speaker 1: they can continue to do Darth Vader. You know, this
Speaker 1: is the area I'll tell you where I first became
Speaker 1: aware of this. Peter, you may remember this. There was
Speaker 1: an ad I think for a vacuum cleaner that repurposed
Speaker 1: fred As Stair's movie where he's dancing on the ceiling
Speaker 1: of the room and all that stuff, and put him
Speaker 1: in the commercial dancing with this vacuum cleaner. And I
Speaker 1: the first thing that came into my head was would
Speaker 1: he have acquiesced to this ad? And does he profit
Speaker 1: from his image being used in this? Yeah, he doesn't
Speaker 1: have to acquiesce because he's dead, just like you're going
Speaker 1: to be one day, and your grandchildren gonna run on
Speaker 1: the money. And if we may, Will you take a
Speaker 1: short trip with me into They're not so dis in
Speaker 1: the future. This is a time when all of the
Speaker 1: grandchildren of all the stars of the show have run
Speaker 1: through their money, so they're able to do that Siginfeld reunion.
Speaker 1: And why not your grandkids have already sold your image
Speaker 1: to check cashing, bail bonds, failed crypto hair growth, laxatives,
Speaker 1: standing bathtubs, snoring cures, and comprobrationlets. This is a this
Speaker 1: is an easy cell and for a lot of money.
Speaker 1: And in this episode, in the first episode of the
Speaker 1: new actual Seinfeld's, because the airs have folded, you're sitting
Speaker 1: in most entirely incased in a leather s and m outfit,
Speaker 1: talking to the others. Or maybe you're a sure goo.
Speaker 1: It actually doesn't matter because your airs don't care if
Speaker 1: they got a check, which is why there's also a movie.
Speaker 1: Sorry morning, going to show a ride at Universal. You
Speaker 1: maybe should something here, will. I have so many problems
Speaker 1: with your premise. First of all, you're a man of research.
Speaker 1: You're a man that really does a deep dive on things.
Speaker 1: It's Monk's Cafe, monkh Mo. I think most cafe is
Speaker 1: the Simpsons. It's most cafe that's number one. Number two,
Speaker 1: number two, Jay, there's no number forget number two. Your
Speaker 1: grandkids are selling some moot moot point. They're selling you
Speaker 1: because it's easy and you don't have to actually yes,
Speaker 1: but bigger than that, you know it burns my buns. Though,
Speaker 1: honestly that I had to buy a fake Seinfeld jingle.
Speaker 1: They can make a deep fake Jerry no reprogardition. That's
Speaker 1: that's fine, and maybe make them do horrible things. But
Speaker 1: have heaven forbid I used they are coming, They're coming
Speaker 1: after me? Right? Why can't you use the sideways theme?
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right? If he If we use the actual
Speaker 1: side belt theme, we're gonna bay some money. But fred
Speaker 1: Astair probably danced with the vacuum cleaner and nobody made
Speaker 1: a dime. Oh look, Googleheim's back, Jay, eybody's gonna address
Speaker 1: the Fredistair no money saying yes, Googleheim, don't let me done.
Speaker 1: Fred Astaire born Frederick Oustrelitz was an actor, singer and choreographer,
Speaker 1: considered by many to be the best dancer ever to
Speaker 1: appear in film. Upon his death at age eighty eight,
Speaker 1: he left his wife, Robin, forty six years his junior,
Speaker 1: and a retired jockey with over two hundred and forty
Speaker 1: seven wins to her name. The guardianship of his image
Speaker 1: and the amount paid for the Dirt devil Ads was
Speaker 1: never revealed. Other stars used in Necro marketing, among others,
Speaker 1: are John Wayne for Coors Beer, Bruce Lee for Johnny Walker,
Speaker 1: and Kurt Cobain for ore Doc Martins. So, Jay, I
Speaker 1: get that you're really worried about the deep fakes because
Speaker 1: probably because they're going to do you and not me.
Speaker 1: And I get the issue too. It's the blurring of
Speaker 1: reality and what's real, what's fake, what's truth. But what's
Speaker 1: the bigger issue for me would be a fake world,
Speaker 1: an entire fake world that you're immersed in with an
Speaker 1: ocular headset for hours a day, that someone else has
Speaker 1: created just for their monetization, and yet we're not in
Speaker 1: reality or is that our reality? And how close are
Speaker 1: they making that something so attractive that we're going to
Speaker 1: spend time there and maybe more time than we do here.
Speaker 1: So that's my bigger concern is the fake worlds that
Speaker 1: people are trying to create them, you know, like the metaverse, Well,
Speaker 1: I know, Doctor Strange is that's the multiverse multiverse, And
Speaker 1: I get the metaverse and the multiverse. Confused. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: gives me a headache. What is the difference? What do
Speaker 1: you understand the difference between the metaverse? Kind of but
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that in a moment. No, I don't.
Speaker 1: So we're going to talk with this writer, Like I said,
Speaker 1: who immersed yourself in the metaverse. Joeyna Stearns happens to
Speaker 1: be a journalist at the Wall Spree Journal. She's amazing.
Speaker 1: She specializes in tech. She was a reviewer and editor
Speaker 1: at the Verge way way back, so she knows tech.
Speaker 1: She does amazing videos, hilarious. She takes phones and puts
Speaker 1: them underwater. She takes she doesn't want a snorkel underwater.
Speaker 1: She interviews that the titans of the industry, and an elevator.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, start a step. What
Speaker 1: do you mean she takes I haven't seen this video.
Speaker 1: She takes the phone and takes it underwater. Some set
Speaker 1: it's water. Joeanna will will test it, under test. You
Speaker 1: made it sound like she's, you know, holding Transatlantic meetings
Speaker 1: at fifteen feet. That is the video. The video is great.
Speaker 1: And her an elevator. She started doing this elevator stuff
Speaker 1: because I think what happened when she was in the
Speaker 1: elevator of the Tech Titan one day and had a
Speaker 1: certain amount of time to ask him questions. So the
Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal started out here do interviews and elevators,
Speaker 1: which is very funny, and I know this is going
Speaker 1: to be triggering. She's also an Emmy Award winner for
Speaker 1: her documentary God egg Shell. For God's sake, they've given
Speaker 1: him out like chicklets. I mean, everybody has an Emmy.
Speaker 1: Do you have an Emmy? Sure you do. Don't even
Speaker 1: lie to me. Yeah, calm down. It was an honor
Speaker 1: to just be now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm vibrating with honor.
Speaker 1: So without further ado, No, she want an Emmy. What
Speaker 1: does she want an Emmy for? For her documentary on
Speaker 1: death and technology? Jesus God, clearly I was going down
Speaker 1: the wrong path. I was trying to I was trying
Speaker 1: to make people chuckle. If I knew to go death
Speaker 1: and you know, death and technology, it'd be swimming in metal.
Speaker 1: What would be really sad? And I just flashed on,
Speaker 1: this is down the road that scenario that I proposed
Speaker 1: of them doing a siginfold with a deep fake Jason, Yeah,
Speaker 1: if I know how you am. Let's go to jo
Speaker 1: It's a fake Emmy on top of everything else, on
Speaker 1: top of that. Oh boy, get over it and don't
Speaker 1: be don't be bitter. Say why did Joanna? Will you? Hey, Joanna,
Speaker 1: it's Jason nice, thanks for being here, and so please,
Speaker 1: I'm a moron. Please explain the metaverse in the simplest
Speaker 1: way possible to someone who has never been there, has
Speaker 1: no experience or frame of reference for comparison, I e. Me.
Speaker 1: The metaverse is a virtual world where you, or a
Speaker 1: version of you, which is likely an avatar to talk
Speaker 1: about that later, is living in this virtual space. And
Speaker 1: you're doing everyday things in this virtual space. So you're working,
Speaker 1: you're hanging out, eating, we can talk about it. That's
Speaker 1: a little bit more complicated. But you are doing things
Speaker 1: in this virtual space, which consists of all different types
Speaker 1: of spaces. Okay, And by the way, Jason, there's night there. Supposedly,
Speaker 1: there's nightclubs, there's comedy clubs, there's all kinds of stuff there.
Speaker 1: So you're absolutely right. And and I think it was
Speaker 1: Bill Gates said that in two or three years, the
Speaker 1: majority of meetings are going to happen in the metaverse
Speaker 1: and and Johnna, what do what do you think is that?
Speaker 1: Is that going to happen? Okay, so I think we
Speaker 1: have to ask ourselves again back to what is the metaverse?
Speaker 1: And how I answered it is this vision that really
Speaker 1: has been popularized now by Mark Zuckerberg, who is running
Speaker 1: a company called Meta formerly known as Facebook. And in
Speaker 1: the metaverse. In this vision, we put on our virtual
Speaker 1: reality headsets or augmented reality headsets, and we are an avatar.
Speaker 1: So we have customized that cartoonish looking thing, and we
Speaker 1: go to various places. We go to a comedy club,
Speaker 1: we go to the office to meet with people, we
Speaker 1: go to a movie, we go to play games, crazy
Speaker 1: games right where we can swat at things and everything
Speaker 1: feels really real to us. Metaverse meetings is the idea
Speaker 1: that we put on these headsets and this we meet
Speaker 1: with other avatars, and this could get really super cool
Speaker 1: in the future. Holograms. You put on your headset and
Speaker 1: sitting across from you at your desk and your real office.
Speaker 1: Right now, Peter, I'm You're in your office. You put
Speaker 1: on your headset and Jason pops up as a hologram.
Speaker 1: He's got digital It really looks like him, but you
Speaker 1: know it's not really him, and so that sounds really cool.
Speaker 1: But the technology is not there yet at all. I mean,
Speaker 1: if we were doing this meeting right now in the metaverse,
Speaker 1: I would say that it would probably take you, no offense,
Speaker 1: probably forty five minutes to get there, like just to
Speaker 1: sign into things and get the headset on and get
Speaker 1: the accounts ready. It's not I think you're being coined
Speaker 1: with Jason to meet and may take much. Look I
Speaker 1: was gonna say it takes me forty five minutes. Now
Speaker 1: all we need help bringing the I crew. So what
Speaker 1: was your I gotta know what was your experience, both
Speaker 1: physically and emotionally to spending twenty four hours in the metaverse.
Speaker 1: So when you try it, and I can't wait for
Speaker 1: you to try it, you're gonna be kind of blown
Speaker 1: away at how real it can feel. And I mean
Speaker 1: that in the sense that everything looks like a cartoon,
Speaker 1: so that doesn't feel real, but the presence of people
Speaker 1: in your space feels real. So right now we're talking remotely, right,
Speaker 1: I don't feel like you're in my house. I don't
Speaker 1: feel like you're sitting across from me. And so we
Speaker 1: have different body language, and we are communicating differently. When
Speaker 1: you put this on, you have these physical, really virtual
Speaker 1: objects that are in your space, right because this is
Speaker 1: a three D environment, You're wearing that headset, so you
Speaker 1: kind of feel like somebody's there, Like you remember the
Speaker 1: Seinfeld episode of Close Talkers, Like you don't want someone
Speaker 1: being so close to you, and you feel that when
Speaker 1: you're avatars, You're like, whoaa, you know you're an avatar,
Speaker 1: Like you're avatars will come in a little too close
Speaker 1: to me and invading my space. And I think one
Speaker 1: of the funniest things about the twenty four Hours in
Speaker 1: the app, in the metaverse piece was I went to
Speaker 1: a comedy club. Okay, there's an app called ault Space,
Speaker 1: and people can build different spaces. So I went to
Speaker 1: a comedy club in alt space, and I don't know
Speaker 1: my avatar. I've customized it. I got nice brown hair.
Speaker 1: I put on a shirt at an app. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like a red shirt. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't think I look much of anything. But I'm
Speaker 1: standing in the front row, I guess of this virtual club,
Speaker 1: and the comedian on stage starts to kind of hit
Speaker 1: on me right and say like whoa, Like I'm trying
Speaker 1: to impress the lady in the front, and I'm thinking, wait,
Speaker 1: that's me, and I start feeling like nervous. So but
Speaker 1: like if you were at a real show and so
Speaker 1: this is where I'm talking about it, it it can feel
Speaker 1: real as weird as this is this world of cartoons
Speaker 1: and cartoons, stages and avatars, you kind of start feeling like, wait,
Speaker 1: am I really in this space? Isn't it amazing? What
Speaker 1: the great part of that you just said to me
Speaker 1: is that even in the metaverse, people can be close
Speaker 1: to you and annoying you. That's what I love, annoyance
Speaker 1: in the middle and with my luck, the avatar in
Speaker 1: front of me has bad breath. By the way, we
Speaker 1: should figure out how to do smelling. That should be
Speaker 1: what we should we should do? Were so jo want to?
Speaker 1: You said that the best part of being in the
Speaker 1: metaverse was working out. Really really, I think working out
Speaker 1: is going to be a huge driving point of virtual reality,
Speaker 1: and that is is that people get bored when they're
Speaker 1: working out at home. You're staring at your clouded space.
Speaker 1: You've got your home gym, You've put on the Peloton app,
Speaker 1: but you're you're kind of you're stuck in this space,
Speaker 1: right And maybe this was a little bit of an
Speaker 1: outgrowth of COVID, But why not do a workout class
Speaker 1: with an instructor on Machu Picchu, which is what you
Speaker 1: can do in VR right now? And it's actually great. Wow,
Speaker 1: somehow I feel like my avatar. No matter how hard
Speaker 1: my avatar works out, it's still going to have love
Speaker 1: handles and man booms. But let me ask you, does
Speaker 1: it really when you're doing it? Do you really feel
Speaker 1: like you are on Machu Pichu visually? Yes, Like you know,
Speaker 1: there are certain things like my dog comes and like
Speaker 1: licks my leg and I'm like, oh yeah, right, not
Speaker 1: in Machu Pichu unless I brought the dog with me.
Speaker 1: Aside from Machu Pichu, I got to know after spending
Speaker 1: twenty four hours, there is there any long lasting impact
Speaker 1: in virtual reality that you still carry with you Over
Speaker 1: the next couple days. After that, I had some just
Speaker 1: sort of my eye eyes and headache issues because I
Speaker 1: had been staring at that screen or in the headset
Speaker 1: for so long. So there there were some short term effects.
Speaker 1: And I do not suggest that anyone do this at home.
Speaker 1: Or at your local hotel. I do not suggest it.
Speaker 1: I totally get that because you know on the a
Speaker 1: couple of times that I've done virtual reality games, after
Speaker 1: about twenty minutes in the headset, I'm a little nauseous.
Speaker 1: You know it. It's a false depth of field. It's
Speaker 1: just there's something very jarring to your system about it.
Speaker 1: No doubt we are going to involve, evolve into people
Speaker 1: that handle it perfectly, but it is it is disruptive
Speaker 1: to at least my system. So what I say is,
Speaker 1: it's hard enough to get people to the gym to
Speaker 1: work out. Now you want me to buy a headset.
Speaker 1: You want me to pay to be in the metaverse.
Speaker 1: You want me and I'm going to match your peatre.
Speaker 1: There's no way. And the thing is on my head.
Speaker 1: I can't wear a hat when I work out because
Speaker 1: they sweat like a pig. I'm going to work out
Speaker 1: with an oculist headset in the gym, jumping up and
Speaker 1: down like I'm with a close darker in the gym.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think people are signed sign
Speaker 1: enough right away. Right well, let me ask a question,
Speaker 1: what if the workout and I'm serious about this because
Speaker 1: I know they have it. I mean even like we
Speaker 1: has it where you're playing again, you're playing ping pong,
Speaker 1: you're playing tennis. If that were your workout or like
Speaker 1: a boxing workout. Right at this point in my life,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to a boxing gym and hitting a
Speaker 1: bag and sparring, right. But if I'm if I'm boxing
Speaker 1: with an avatar and there's no impact and I can't
Speaker 1: get hit, would I do it? Would it be intriguing?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think we'll work. Just like joining
Speaker 1: a gym, you put the money down, you do it
Speaker 1: for five days, you tell people how great it. This
Speaker 1: second week, you do it for two days, and you're
Speaker 1: a little bit busy. By the fifth week, you're going
Speaker 1: anybody see my ALCOA headset? A word about Marco headset.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I'm meeting an avatar pizza before we
Speaker 1: let you to go. I know she has a question
Speaker 1: for you, Jason. Oh, I'm sorry this is a George question,
Speaker 1: but it's really adjacent question. How big is your wallet?
Speaker 1: And have you put all of these things into your phone?
Speaker 1: I'm assuming you have an iPhone. Do you use the
Speaker 1: Apple wallet? And is your Apple wallet as big now
Speaker 1: as George's wallet. I have never had a George wallet.
Speaker 1: And for those of you who who are not necessarily
Speaker 1: steinfeld Sianados, George had a wallet that was comically overstuffed
Speaker 1: and to the point where in trying to close it
Speaker 1: one time, it basically exploded. It spontaneously combusted. I am
Speaker 1: of the belief that if it's electronically stored, it's electronically
Speaker 1: accessed by somebody other than me, So I don't I
Speaker 1: don't tend to put that kind of information into my
Speaker 1: phone ever. Well, okay, so so before we give it
Speaker 1: our conclusion on what you think, I think handy for Reid,
Speaker 1: who we talked to earlier, who's the erofessor or professor
Speaker 1: determined that listen to his take. I thought before we
Speaker 1: do our conclusions, it'd be good to hear an expert
Speaker 1: de fake experts, take sure on the metaverse, and remember
Speaker 1: Facebook is now meta because they're heavily influenced by this thing,
Speaker 1: doctor professor, sir, honey, take it away. Here's my on
Speaker 1: a bad day, here's my impression of Markus Zuckerberg. Let's
Speaker 1: destroy society and democracy and then get everybody to strap
Speaker 1: a virtual reality headset to their face. Eighteen hours a
Speaker 1: day and monetize every aspect of human behavior. Well, when
Speaker 1: you say it that way, it doesn't. Jeez, he's all in.
Speaker 1: So Jay, aside from a fake universe in the deep fakes,
Speaker 1: you've grown up. We've grown up with fakes our lives
Speaker 1: like fake news. Right. Fake news has been around since
Speaker 1: the beginning of time. My mom bought counterfeit stuff, fake items.
Speaker 1: There's fake art. Great documentary about that called Made You
Speaker 1: Look a True Story pharmaceutical fraud like Farnos. And then
Speaker 1: you got dating bots, so you don't know if you're
Speaker 1: on a dating site what you're talking to. In my world,
Speaker 1: when I did radio, we used to do radio stunts
Speaker 1: which were faking hold on, hold on. Producer Laurie Crime
Speaker 1: is waving flapping her hands around, which could mean only
Speaker 1: one thing. We have a surprise is what mystery is
Speaker 1: the list? We guess? Ready? Yeah for me, Okay, good morning,
Speaker 1: say hi to Jason. Good afternoon, Hello Jason, how are
Speaker 1: you doing very well? Thank you. I'm trying to place
Speaker 1: the voice so far this is going to set the
Speaker 1: world on fire. It's the former governorsh my god, really
Speaker 1: no really now wait wait wait, wait, really that's a
Speaker 1: good name for the show. Yes, really, no, really it
Speaker 1: is me. Well I if it is really no, really, you, sir,
Speaker 1: I am delighted to be chatting with you. Have you
Speaker 1: watched Seinfeld a Governor, Yes, I have. It's the greatest show.
Speaker 1: What ever it is now screaming a watchful at the time. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm delighted, thank you, thank you. And I you know,
Speaker 1: I had a beautiful vantage point into your backyard not
Speaker 1: long ago. I know somebody who lives above you on
Speaker 1: the hill, and I saw I think the goat, right,
Speaker 1: there's a goat. Maybe, yes, we are cutting livestock. I
Speaker 1: think I need to put the glasshouse India for people
Speaker 1: to look at you reality. Call it North Class House.
Speaker 1: I like it, so, governor, Governor, it's so thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry we had so much technical problem, but thank
Speaker 1: you for holding it being patient. Nothing problem. I just
Speaker 1: know that I do not have Google crow. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: listen not to get any of the fabulous technology. Jason,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Governor. Thank you, by the way, Jason. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is how easy it is to do a deep fake.
Speaker 1: This is my buddy Phil Hayes, who was a voiceover talent.
Speaker 1: Really and Phil filed really no really, so wait, so
Speaker 1: what happened Phil? Are you there? Yeah? Yeah? How you
Speaker 1: guys doing all right? Phil? So Phil does the best
Speaker 1: conversational Schwarzenegger ever. And we heard that. And in two
Speaker 1: thousand and three, when Gray Davis was being recalled, I
Speaker 1: said to Phil, call and seeven, get him on the
Speaker 1: phone and punk him hahaha. And Phil gets him in
Speaker 1: the limo. Gray Davis thinks it's really archenegger calling to
Speaker 1: avert the recall. And I said to philm just go
Speaker 1: a minute or two and then reveal you who you are.
Speaker 1: They're twenty minutes in. They're planning dinner, the couple's getting together, exercising,
Speaker 1: and they hang up after like thirty minutes. And I
Speaker 1: called Phil and say, what did you do? He's and
Speaker 1: he goes, I got caught up in it. I got
Speaker 1: caught up. So I then had to call ACT. I
Speaker 1: had to call Governor Gray Davis back, and he ate
Speaker 1: me and knew, you know what? Up one side down,
Speaker 1: one side, and I said, I ended with so I'm
Speaker 1: assuming I can't use on the air before you go,
Speaker 1: just say goodbye Schwarzenegger. To show everybody what a great
Speaker 1: conversation or Schwarzenegger, you do sign off and say goodbye,
Speaker 1: and then I'll give your credits. I'd like to thank
Speaker 1: you so much for Peter and Allied Jason there for
Speaker 1: being so so good at this play show. Ever on
Speaker 1: the on the iPod, you know what figure out we're
Speaker 1: using that as a collection. He is, by the way,
Speaker 1: he's Batman and tweeting it to Investor and Sonic the Hedgehog.
Speaker 1: But the best is he was in true justice with
Speaker 1: Stevens Goal. I got to ask him about that one day,
Speaker 1: unbelieving in your face. I'm watching your face. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you. I mean, you know, I'm right on that
Speaker 1: tight rope of going okay, I know what our subject
Speaker 1: matter is today, but I also know that we do
Speaker 1: know people that have a relationship with Schwartzenegger. And I thought,
Speaker 1: did you pull in something? And then I'm thinking, how
Speaker 1: does he how does he relate to this topic? But
Speaker 1: I have to tell you, I hedge the bet too.
Speaker 1: Let's go with it. And I saw your face. You
Speaker 1: were starting to go, starting to be impressed, much like
Speaker 1: Governor brought me back to great day. And that is
Speaker 1: the thing, how believable and how willing we are to
Speaker 1: accept these things as possibilities. I remember, I wonder how
Speaker 1: many times you've been deep faked? Google him? Do you
Speaker 1: know how many times they done a Jason or George
Speaker 1: Coustanza defaid? Do we know that? I don't have an
Speaker 1: answer on that. I did? They did deep fake the
Speaker 1: Seinfeld cast onto the opening montage of Friends? Oh come on,
Speaker 1: so so here's the question. Jason, who do you think?
Speaker 1: Who's boy? Did they deep fake your face onto of
Speaker 1: the Friends cast? David, don't be stupid, I'm Jennifer Anniston.
Speaker 1: Come on? Who else would I be? No? You know
Speaker 1: who they would make me if if they if they
Speaker 1: kept it gender specific, they probably made me Matt Perry.
Speaker 1: That would be my guess, Matt Perry, or maybe Swimmer,
Speaker 1: but Schwimmer would be an easier scrammer. No, Matt LeBlanc,
Speaker 1: I'm LeBlanc. You're LeBlanc? How you doing? Can you guess
Speaker 1: who got onto Jennifer Aniston's face, the coveted Jennifer Aniston's face. Well,
Speaker 1: if it's if it's not Julia, is it Julia? Should
Speaker 1: I go there first? No? No? She went She went
Speaker 1: on on Monica, She got kind and it has to
Speaker 1: be Stell, Harris, You're You're not far off. Stell actually
Speaker 1: made it onto Phoebe Wayne Night was on, Uh sure
Speaker 1: it was on Jennifer. Why wouldn't she be Hello Newman? Hey, hey,
Speaker 1: before we get your uption, which I know up to
Speaker 1: now has been very, very negative. You actually said in
Speaker 1: the beginning of the show that you had a real
Speaker 1: concern and that it freaks you out, and it's only
Speaker 1: it's only going to get worse here. So keeping that
Speaker 1: in mind, let's take a look at the Let's take
Speaker 1: let's take a look at the cliff. We just took
Speaker 1: a second through the magic of pausing, and we all
Speaker 1: just watched the sign folk characters onto the Friends, The Friends, right,
Speaker 1: I look so good. I knew you got so much hair.
Speaker 1: I am so pretty as matt LeBlanc. I you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm into this technology and we're out. Good night everybody.
Speaker 1: That's all it took. I'm a convert. I'm a believer.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe me if I tried. It was. We
Speaker 1: did a whole segment on the potential for disaster, how
Speaker 1: nefarious it is. Well, I figured, much like of everything
Speaker 1: else in my life, people would use my Image to
Speaker 1: create havoc. I didn't know they were going to create
Speaker 1: beauty on Enhanced me. Absolutely, I'm so glad we got
Speaker 1: an I'm making you happy now really now, really everybody,
Speaker 1: we want to thank Digital forensics expert Professor honey Free.
Speaker 1: Honey Fred is also a senior advisor to the Counter
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Speaker 1: Journal tech columnist and Emmy winner Really Really Everybody wins
Speaker 1: an Emmy. Everybody but Me Emmy Winner Joanna st win
Speaker 1: A Starns on Instagram and Twitter at Ennis Spurn and
Speaker 1: of course Phill Hayes our Deep Faked Schwarzenegger. He's an actor,
Speaker 1: a voiceover artist to stand up comic. He's got hundreds
Speaker 1: of TV shows and movies to his credits. You can
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