WEBVTT - Deepfake hoaxes, Meta-averse and Jason punk’d 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:13.600 Now, Really Dan Dan, Dan Dan, I love our theme song. 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:16.360 Can I just say that I love the song ruining it? 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:18.520 You're singing, Wow, I may be ruining it, but I 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:21.960 love it. So Hello and welcome everybody to another episode 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:26.799 of Really No Really. I am internationally below Comedy Superstar 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:33.360 and Television from Hope for the Ladies, Hopeful Jason An 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:35.560 Hope for the laugh. How dare you with me today 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:37.800 as my partner and friend or my friend and partner, 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:40.760 or just maybe just my partner? Peter Tilden say hello, Peter, 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:43.640 you Hi. Good to see that was That was exciting. 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:47.280 That was a real greeting. Can I just tell the 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:49.280 audience that I'm looking at you, I'm looking at you 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:53.240 on a camera, and you basically look like you took 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:55.520 beats and ate a bowl of beats and rubbed them 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:57.080 onto your face. I think you have one hundred and 0:00:57.080 --> 0:01:00.720 six degree fever today. You you looked terrible, and I 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:03.040 mean that in a good way. How do you feel? 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:05.319 I feel like if you don't start this and we 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:07.800 move it on because I feel terrible, I'm gonna get 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:09.600 in my car as sick as I feel, drive to 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:12.800 your house and strong with my bare red hands, and 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:15.720 that's why you're my partner. And maybe I don't know 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:19.399 what it is, but you don't look good, So you 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:22.399 know what, we'll fake it. And that is a segue 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:24.920 to what we're talking about today. And I'm going to 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:29.560 tell you, Carte Blanche, our topic today freaks me the 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:31.680 hell out, and I think it's only going to get worse. 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:33.679 I don't think I'm going to feel better about this 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:36.440 by the end of the episode, because today we are 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:40.520 talking about the new world and technology of deep fakes. Now, 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:42.360 the first time I saw this, I don't know about 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:44.440 your Peter. The first time I saw it, there was 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:48.920 a Tom Cruise video online. When I saw it, I said, really, no, 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:51.600 really that stuff. So it turns out, of course it's 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:54.240 not Tom Cruise. And then the one that kind of 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.680 made me crazy, and you sent it to me, and 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:58.800 I hadn't known this was out there. You know the 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:02.440 scene in Pulp Fiction where John Travolta and Samuel Jackson, 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:04.800 you know, they go into the house and they're gonna 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:06.560 blow these guys away, and one guy's hiding out in 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:08.880 the bathroom and comes out and shoots at them and 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.800 misses everything. And that's why Samuel Jackson thinks there's been 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:14.840 a miracle. They they made the actor in the bathroom 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:18.280 Jerry Seinfeld, and they did a soundtrack as if it's 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:21.240 an episode of Seinfeld with what that damp bam bam 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:23.399 bamp bland. It didn't think that, you know, but it's 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:28.240 like it is, it's Jerry Seinfeld, and I'm going, what 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:31.680 the hell is happening? What is going on? So it 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:35.800 freaks me out because immediately immediately I go to, oh, 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.120 who's playing around with my face? What are they making 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:41.160 me do? What are they making me say? What? Because 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:43.240 you know, it's not like I it's it's not like 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:45.480 you have to go deep deep dive to find me 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:49.320 doing ridiculous things in front of a camera. But and 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:50.959 by the way, so if they did it at the 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:53.359 company for their sales meeting, or they did it, or 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:55.160 kid did it and put it out there on YouTube, 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:57.040 how are you gonna what are you gonna do? You're 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:58.639 gonna go after him? But me while it's out there 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:00.959 and you could get a million only the technology is 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:04.040 becoming more and more available and is getting better and better. 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:09.520 Can they just start making anyone do anything? Okay? Yeah, yes, yes, Jase, 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:11.440 they can and then they'll take the fake a little 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:13.760 Jason and put him in a fake world like the 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:16.440 metaverse that the Mark Zuckerberg is trying to create. He's 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:19.320 struggling with it, but it'll happen, but from somebody. And 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:22.440 because those places sell real estate and they have comedy 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:26.680 clubs and they have strip clubs. Say what now? Say what? Yeah, 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:28.560 we'll get to it. And how do you make it 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:30.960 rain in the metaverse? I don't know that. Well, we'll 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:33.960 find we'll find out later. By Jason, let's answer all 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:36.920 of your questions, especially the big really no, really, can 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:39.880 anybody make a deep fake? Now? Is that technology exists 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:41.800 where you can make a deep fake at home of 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:45.000 somebody and it's undetectable. This guy is the top guy 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:46.960 when it comes to deep fakes. He's considered the father 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.960 of digital forensics. Jason. Let's meet him and talk to him. Now, 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:56.120 let's welcome to really No, Really, Professor Honey for Reid, 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:58.920 who is the dean and how do you see Berkeley 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:01.800 School of Information And, as I said, considered the father 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:04.280 of digital forensics. Who better to ask about deep facts 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.560 impacting is now and in the future when we're trying 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.200 to figure out what's truth and what's reality? So go 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:12.080 for Jay. So we're here with what is your what's 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:16.120 your favorite title? Honey? Is it? Professor? It is it? 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:18.960 Sir captain? Is it? One of the great things about 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:22.359 being an academic is you hold many titles. Professor is 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:25.280 just fine, Honey is just fine? Um. You know, one 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:26.680 of the one of the great things about being an 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:31.080 academic is we get to educate the next generation of 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:33.760 young minds, which is always inspiring being on campus with 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:36.800 all these very bright kids, but also really pushing the 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:40.960 forefront in my case, of where technology is intersecting and 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:47.000 sometimes colliding with societies and with democracies, and that's that's 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:49.640 really exciting being on a campus and trying to think 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:53.240 through some of these issues without the corporate treasurers of 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:55.479 profits and so on and so forth. You know, what 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.159 all I had, all I asked him is what he 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:00.279 wanted to be called. And already we're in over my head. Dude, 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:05.120 I'm a professor, I'm talking about academics, and I just 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:08.040 wanted to know, is it? Honey? Is a doctor? Far? Well, 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:10.080 how do you? How do you press your last name? Honey? 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:15.080 Honnie red and Honi is fine? All right, That's all 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:17.320 I wanted to know. Don't get ahead of me, honey, 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:21.120 makes me look stupid based on that leading as a 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:24.719 as a professor, treat this as a remedial class that 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:29.279 you're talking about. Yeah, somehow we got in, somehow we 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:34.279 registered three class, but we're slow. I'm just a theater major, 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:37.240 so really slow it down for me. So, just for 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:42.080 remedial purposes for the audience, would you, in your own 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:44.360 way tell us what is a deep fake? What are 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:47.720 we talking about? So what you should understand about deep 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:50.520 fakes is that it's an umbrella term for many, many 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:54.680 different things. Um At its core, what it's getting at 0:05:55.240 --> 0:06:00.719 is automatically synthesized media that can be audio, can be images, 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:04.280 or can be video. And by automatically synthesize, I mean 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:08.640 think about historically how we have manipulated audio, images and videos. 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.680 You make a recording, you cut and you splice, you 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:15.719 add words, you subtract words with images, put into photoshop, 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:18.400 manipulate an image, take one person's head off, put another 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:21.200 person's head on. And essentially what deep face have done 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:24.880 is automate that process using advances in machine learning and 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:30.000 artificial intelligence. And the reason why that's interesting and important 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:34.800 is because when you automate something, you democratize access to 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:39.360 what has historically been state sponsored actors Hollywood studios who 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:41.640 could do very sophisticated editing, and you've now put it 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:45.560 in the hands of the every person who can alter audio, 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:50.000 alter images, alter video, and of course now distribute that 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:54.080 to the world instantaneously through social media. So think of 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:59.159 deep fakes is just an automatic way of manipulating media. 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:03.000 So immediately what I think is this isn't good. This 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:05.560 is not a good thing. Is it a good thing? 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:11.160 I mean, it's let's take away, it's nefarious used for 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:13.480 a beginning, but is it Is it something that people 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:18.040 really need to do? Does it have a real purpose 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.920 that's meaningful. Yeah, that's the right question to ask. So 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:24.560 the people developing these technologies are not, in fact nefarious. 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:27.240 Most of them are on campuses like where I am, 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:29.760 around the world, and they have been working on these 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:33.240 technologies in fact for decades in various forms in the 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:36.000 fields of computer graphics and then the fields of computer vision, 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:40.800 with the primary purpose of Hollywood studios and special effects. 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:44.600 That's mostly where this technology is coming from. Is I 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:48.360 want to film one performer and I want to make 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.120 them look younger or older. So instead of doing the 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:52.920 makeup and the special effects, you can do this all 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:55.920 in post with some deep fake technology. Or I want 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:59.080 to swap out one face for another space to make 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:02.600 it a different person. Imagine customized movies or customized TV 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:06.440 shows where you can mix and match your personalities that 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.040 you have attached to each of the characters. There are 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:13.240 some technologies that are primarily being developed from nefarious purposes, 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:17.160 to commit fraud, to commit crimes. That's not this. It's 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:21.920 just that once you peel away those Hollywood special effect applications, 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:25.280 what's left is some pretty scary things. And I assume 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:27.240 we're gonna be talking a little bit about that little 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.280 film trivia from my career. If you want to see 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:33.079 a great example of it, it's very quick. It's in 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:35.480 the movie I did, The Adventures, and I know this 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:37.319 is going to create a rush to get this. On 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:41.559 the Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle where I played Bars 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:43.880 batten Off, and there's a scene where I am perched 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:48.480 on a water tower and they never told me I 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:50.720 was going to be perched on a water tower. And 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:53.080 I have a tremendous fear of heights, and I'm now 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:56.079 eighty feet off the ground, shackled to the water tower. 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:59.040 I can't fall, but the stunt coordinator is about to 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:01.400 leave me there I can get a shot, and he 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.280 says to me, Hey, yeah okay, and I went no, 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:08.000 I'm not I'm truly not okay. And if you walk away, 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:10.760 there's going to be an incident. There's going to be 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:14.760 at least wet pants if nothing else. So this is 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.040 not going to work. And I actually couldn't do. I 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:19.480 couldn't I guess if I didn't have to act, I 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:21.800 probably gonna sat there and screamed like a like a 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:25.000 like a you know, a baby. But I couldn't act, 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:28.000 so my stunt double went up and they had to 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.040 put my face in the film. They had to put 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:32.880 my face on my stunt double, so I was deep 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:35.920 faked onto another guy. Yeah, honey, let me ask you this. 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:38.760 If it's I started the premise of our really no realers, 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:40.840 I can't believe where we are, that the defas are 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:43.960 so good, they were possibly at the point of no return. 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.760 And then you just made me feel better because if 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:49.840 they couldn't do, DeNiro and the irishman were it looked real. 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:52.080 Are we still behind the curve? You look at Denier 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:53.760 and you go, what's wrong with his face? It was not. 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:56.440 It was not like boy, a young DeNiro. How'd they 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:59.360 do that? And that was a Hollywood studio. They didn't 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.240 do it very good job. So here's what I can 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:05.640 tell you. When you're thinking about these technologies, you always 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.360 have to have to look at the rate of change. 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:11.720 How are things evolving and how quickly are they evolving? 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:14.840 And I can tell you, and now the twenty some 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:17.439 odd years that I've been working in this space, I've 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:20.560 never seen a technology developed so quickly. I mean really 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:25.199 every three to four months. You see rapid advances in 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:28.559 the quality and the sophistication. I think there was a 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.199 seventeen year old in Rhode Island who ran a candidate. 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:33.920 Right there was a day fake and he ran the 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:37.680 candidate and it registered. So now what happened? Really the 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:39.960 election is coming close. Hold on, let's tell let's tell 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:42.360 that story. This is a great story. This is the 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:45.400 kid is in Florida. He's a high school student. Everything's 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:51.360 story like this is from Florida. So this is a 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:55.119 high school kid board on his Christmas break creates a 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:58.920 fake profile on LinkedIn of a candidate for US Congress 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:02.560 in Rhode Island, gets that person the blue check mark 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:06.360 on Twitter, so the register you know, authenticated, and gets 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:09.960 the Board of Elections approving him as a candidate. The 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.440 whole thing is fiction. Anybody out there would be out 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:14.120 of their mind not to hire this kid. I mean, 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:17.640 this kid is awesome. But here's the real threat of 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:21.520 deep faiths when you enter this world where any audio recording, 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:24.280 any image of recording, any video recording can be faith 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:27.280 whether nothing has to be real and not only is 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:31.959 this technology advancing too quickly from my taste, seventeen year 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:35.040 old kids are advancing too quickly from my taste. Seventeen 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:38.600 year old kid on a school break decides to create 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:42.080 a deep faith candidate for a congressional seaton Rhode Island. 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:46.240 I was setting bonfires in the backyard with a magnifying glass. 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:48.439 That was my big thrill. My mother, by the way, 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:50.480 was still clipping my gloves to my jacket so I 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:54.439 wouldn't lose him in the snow. Right, Yeah, seventeen year 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:58.120 old's creating congressional candidates for good saying that by the way, 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:00.640 the kid said that he did it in about twenty twenty. 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:03.600 He was boored doing break and did it twenty minutes. 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:05.360 Opened it to it because he wanted to see that 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:08.720 they validated, because we don't want phonies. Since you're the 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:12.120 guy when it comes to deface, anybody ever come to 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.480 you for help to determine whether it's a deep facing him. 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:18.360 On the weekly basis, I get an email from somebody, 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.200 many of them are politicians around the world, who have 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:24.559 typically something around a sex tape, and they're saying it's 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:27.320 not me, it's a deep fake, prove it, and I'm like, 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:31.000 I'm pretty sure it's probably you. By the way, I 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:33.040 love that you said pretty typically a sex tape. What 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:38.040 you're saying is they're all sex tapestically. You mean like 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:43.760 professor hurried, you know, because somebody made him say boopy, 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:47.040 you know, here's a kiss a guy wrestling and gristly. 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:51.440 This could end his career. I don't think so. I 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:55.960 love how you said that relatively most relatively most yeah wow, 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:58.920 but this is so. This is the holled liars dip 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:03.839 end that when the world can be manipulated, well, then 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:06.320 everybody can just decide on their own set of facts. 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:08.559 What was this. When I was growing up, I always 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.280 got smacked. My parents could always detect the slacked me. 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:13.440 I mean only I wish I could beat a liars? 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:17.440 Did mom liars dividend? It wasn't me? Did your mother 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:20.080 do the thing? Look? Look look at me in the face, 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:22.760 Look me in the face, especially grab my face. She 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:26.160 would make me look, look, grab my face. Professor, I 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:28.720 gotta ask you, even when people find out they've been 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:32.079 deep fake, it's stunning. And tell Jason to me, it's 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.280 not necessarily really good news. Right, many many years ago, 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.320 when Carrie was running for president, before deep face was 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:42.320 even on our radar screen, but we were seeing photoshop manipulation. 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:46.320 Somebody had created a fake image of Carrie standing next 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:49.160 to Jane Fonda and nanti war rally and it was 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:51.760 a fake image. It was probably one of the first 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:57.440 widely distributed fake images on the Internet. And NTR was 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.560 interviewing somebody after the election. They in this guy said 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:02.920 would you vote for I couldn't vote for John Kerry? 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:05.360 Why not? I couldn't get that picture of him and 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.760 Jane found out of my head. The interviewer said, you 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:10.120 know the photo is fake? And he said, I know 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:13.840 but I couldn't get it out of my head. And 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:16.800 that tells you something about the power of visual imagery 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:20.920 is that even if you can debunk it, it doesn't 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.800 It's very hard for people to undo those things. And 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:26.000 by the way, there's evidence in the literature and the 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:29.080 academic literature that when you try to undo effect, it 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.640 actually makes it worse. It's called the boomerang effect. So 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:34.400 when you try to correct the record, people remember that 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:36.800 there's a controversy, but they don't remember the sign of 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:41.080 the controversy, and it ends up reinforcing the false narrative 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:44.720 in the first place. So setting the record straight online 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:49.400 is virtually impossible. WHOA wow, honey, thank you so much. 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:56.160 Oh my god, this is horrifying. I want to be 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:59.760 light about this, but this is an extremely concerning It 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:01.880 is concerning. So okay, I'll make it lighter they I'll 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:03.160 take you to a lighter place. Now, I got a 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:06.800 quiz for you. So here are things, and you won't 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:08.880 know what's true or false. Here are things that you 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:10.880 think are true your whole life that may not be true, 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:12.800 that will rock your road. You're ready, okay, but some 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:14.800 of them are TREI is what you're telling me. It 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:16.320 can be true. They can be false. Some of them 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:18.520 may be true. Tell you, I want to leg up. Oh, 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:20.880 you're a really good listener. You know that I like 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:22.680 about you. You're a listener. You're from the listeners. And 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:27.560 my mother would say, here we go. What shaved hair 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:30.080 grows back thicker? True or false? You've heard that forever. 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:35.480 Let me tell you first of all, you listen, just 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:38.480 stomp on my heart going into the quiz. It is false. 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:41.000 You can share until you can shave, until the cows 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:42.800 come home. And by the way, that's false. Cows don't 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:46.440 come home. But no, it does not make it all right. 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:50.600 The Great Wall of China's visible from space. Everything's visible 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:52.720 from space. They can see they can see the head 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:54.760 of a pin with these satellites. No, but not with 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:58.880 not with amplification. I always say, you can see see 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:01.240 me if I was standing on this International Space Station, 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:03.360 can you see the Great waters? Be able to see 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:06.560 the Great Wall of China? I would, but I have 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.720 very good eyesight. Tell me I'm wrong. Go ahead, tell 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.440 me I'm wrong. You're wrong, you can't see. No, you're wrong, 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:16.640 don't tell me out and we're out International Station and 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:18.760 we'll look out the window, and you see who's right 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:21.400 deep faking me. There. You go. Swimming after eating will 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:24.320 give you major cramps. It depends what you've eaten, according 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:28.960 to Billy Crystal. Billy Crystal said his aunt used to 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:31.000 be or somebody his uncle used to be the arbiter 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:33.080 of you know, based on what you ate, how long 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:34.800 you had to wait if you had what did you have? 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:36.760 I had a tuna fish sandwich twenty minutes? What did 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:38.880 you have? Spaghetti meat balls? One hour? What did you 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:43.400 have cheecake tomorrow? Yeah, you're never swimming again. And by 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:45.840 the way, think about this. My mother used to do that. 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:47.280 My family would do that. You can't go in right 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.120 away because you're you're you'll get cramps. You ever have 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:54.080 you ever look up death by cramps in a swimming pool? 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:56.360 First of all, there're eight thousand people standing next to you. 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:58.720 It's three feet deep. How are you going You're going down? 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.720 And what what's happening? Just lying there? Nobody's saying anything. 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:04.560 You're cramping up so bad? Yeah, I mean old people 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:07.359 would be dead dropping dead in Florida every twenty minutes 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:11.840 because but they're the cramp. It's like, wow, eighty people 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.040 in the pool and I didn't see Sylvesta lying next 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:17.000 to me for an hour. And here it's impossible. It's impossible, 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:19.840 all right, Um, a penny dropped from the top of 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:25.840 the Empire State Building will kill you, uh it? Yeah? 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:28.880 I think the terminal velocity is pretty Yeah, it could. 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:32.119 Can't penetrate concrete or ausphalt. It won't even cause serious 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.320 damage to a person, and even to the speed of sound, 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:37.199 still not damage flesh. It most sting a little. How 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:39.679 about that is news? That's a really no, really, I 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:41.760 did not know. There you go, you've heard because you've 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.000 heard it your entire life. Yeah, hair and finger nails 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:47.520 continue to grow after you're dead. In fact, the skin recedes. 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:51.239 And that's why it looks like, oh, yes, all right, 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:55.439 true or false? Deep fakes are interviewing for remote jobs. 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:02.640 Deep fakes are interviewing forte. Could the technology be that 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:06.919 good already? I would say there's probably truth in that 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:10.240 in that perhaps they are not using video deep fakes 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:12.880 but audio deep face video or video deep fax video 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:15.640 actually interviewing for jobs. And you know what they're doing. 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:18.439 They're trying to get okays and be hired so they 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:22.520 can get into it companies, etc. And have access in passwords, etcetera. 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:25.520 So the FBI is saying, be careful for deep fake interviews. 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:27.200 How about that? Let me ask you a question. When 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:30.720 I turn on the beautifi filter on my Zoom, does 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:33.000 that qualify as a deep fake? Because I don't look 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:34.639 that good? I was gonna say, if they've seen the 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:38.440 real you? Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I'm the cabinet 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:40.680 of doctor Kilgari. For guess you got an h in 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:42.040 the middle of your head? It looks like a third eye. 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:49.760 Of course, absolutely. Oh look it's producer David Guggenheim aka Googleheim. 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:54.440 With either a clarification, a correction, or an explanation Googleheim 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:59.119 pronounced Caligari. The Cabinet of Doctor Kalighari refers to a 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:03.200 silent horror film from nineteen twenty considered to be a 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:07.000 classic of expressionist cinema in post World War One Germany. 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:10.760 The theme, which is about the abusive authority, features an 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:16.160 insane hypnotist who uses a somnombulist or a sleepwalker for burger. 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:20.679 Spoiler alert, all of the flashbacks are actually delusions of 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:25.520 inmates of the asylum, where Calaghari is the director. Much 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:35.040 thanks google him. Now go away. So Jason, we're hearing 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:37.520 about Bruce willis giving a deep fake company the rights 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:39.800 to his image, which, by the way, isn't it wasn't true. 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:42.760 Not true, James L. Jones signing, He's not true, James W. 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:45.400 Jones signing his voice or the rights to his voiceover 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:48.040 not true. He just gave the rights to the Darth 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:51.400 Vader voice to Lucasfilm, so when he's gone, he's ninety one, 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:54.000 they can continue to do Darth Vader. You know, this 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:55.560 is the area I'll tell you where I first became 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:58.200 aware of this. Peter, you may remember this. There was 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:02.840 an ad I think for a vacuum cleaner that repurposed 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:05.680 fred As Stair's movie where he's dancing on the ceiling 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:08.720 of the room and all that stuff, and put him 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:12.040 in the commercial dancing with this vacuum cleaner. And I 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:15.040 the first thing that came into my head was would 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:18.640 he have acquiesced to this ad? And does he profit 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:20.800 from his image being used in this? Yeah, he doesn't 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:23.320 have to acquiesce because he's dead, just like you're going 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:25.080 to be one day, and your grandchildren gonna run on 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:27.000 the money. And if we may, Will you take a 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:28.520 short trip with me into They're not so dis in 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:32.720 the future. This is a time when all of the 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:34.520 grandchildren of all the stars of the show have run 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:37.560 through their money, so they're able to do that Siginfeld reunion. 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:40.119 And why not your grandkids have already sold your image 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:44.600 to check cashing, bail bonds, failed crypto hair growth, laxatives, 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:49.600 standing bathtubs, snoring cures, and comprobrationlets. This is a this 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:51.879 is an easy cell and for a lot of money. 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:59.439 And in this episode, in the first episode of the 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:03.320 new actual Seinfeld's, because the airs have folded, you're sitting 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:07.800 in most entirely incased in a leather s and m outfit, 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:10.159 talking to the others. Or maybe you're a sure goo. 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:13.000 It actually doesn't matter because your airs don't care if 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:15.600 they got a check, which is why there's also a movie. 0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:19.320