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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome on in Everybody Wednesday edition of Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 3: I nailed the date play. I was worth for a second.

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Speaker 2: When is the addition it's getting close to Christmas? I'm

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Speaker 2: getting a little hazy. We kick it off right now.

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Speaker 2: I got a lot to tell you about. We have

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Speaker 2: an update on the scandal around the Harvard president and

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Speaker 2: how she's going to keep her job. But how did

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Speaker 2: she feel about somebody at Harvard who offended the wokeness gods?

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Speaker 3: What did you think should happen to that individual? We'll

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Speaker 3: talk about that.

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Speaker 2: In a little bit in a an exceptional and I

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Speaker 2: really mean that, a talented professor at Harvard.

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Speaker 3: She wanted him gone because he said the wrong things

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Speaker 3: that upset the LM. We shall discuss that.

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Speaker 2: We've also got Sam Altman, who was pushed out of

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Speaker 2: Open AI.

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Speaker 3: Clay. I'm sure you saw this.

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Speaker 2: He's saying that AI could derail the twenty twenty four election.

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Speaker 2: I actually think that this is something that we do

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Speaker 2: need to start to contend with that the ability and

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Speaker 2: the sophistication of people out there to create deep fakes

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Speaker 2: and very real seeming propaganda. You know, It's one thing

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Speaker 2: when you have a bunch of Russians who can't translate

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Speaker 2: or can't speak English very well at all, doing a

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Speaker 2: couple of Hillary memes here and there. But this now,

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Speaker 2: the sophistication level has gone up substantially. So I think

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Speaker 2: that's something we shall visit. We'll get into Biden stabbing

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Speaker 2: Israel on the back, not surprisings what Democrats were always

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Speaker 2: going to do.

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Speaker 3: As soon as the.

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Speaker 2: Outrage of the horrific October seventh terror attack against the

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Speaker 2: Israeli people, against the Jews, as soon as there was

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Speaker 2: a little bit of room for Democrats to play both

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Speaker 2: sides and to start, they would do it. And here

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Speaker 2: they are. Biden says Israel is losing world support in

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Speaker 2: the war with Hamas, and he has been described in

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Speaker 2: the media as rebuking Benjamin Netan Yahoo says the government

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Speaker 2: needs to change, criticizes the bombing Gaza. So we told you,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the Democrats, he can't can't trust

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Speaker 2: him on this stuff.

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Speaker 3: But we'll get into some more of that.

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Speaker 2: A huge bit of news out of the Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: that could effect not only the twenty twenty four election,

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Speaker 2: but also have major effect on hundreds of January sixth prisoners,

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Speaker 2: many of whom are I think rightly classified as political prisoners.

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Speaker 2: Supreme Courts taking up the interfering with obstructing and official

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Speaker 2: proceedings the actual language. Julie Kelly will be with us

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Speaker 2: on that. It's a big deal. It goes to Trump's

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Speaker 2: j sixth case in DC, it goes to the convictions

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Speaker 2: of many J six defendants already, and Julie will break

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Speaker 2: down all that for us. That's the third hours. Next hour,

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Speaker 2: Morinda Devine of the New York Post will be with us.

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Speaker 2: We'll also be talking to us about the Hunter Biden

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Speaker 2: situation and Clay, why don't we dive into.

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Speaker 3: That right now?

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Speaker 4: Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Here we go, Hunter, Hunter, Hunter, he gave a press conference.

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Speaker 2: He's holding pressers now everybody in which he's going on offense.

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Speaker 2: Let's just get into this, and Claut want to get

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Speaker 2: your reaction. Hunter is saying, sure. I mean, look, guys,

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Speaker 2: so he didn't pay taxes for years, so he created

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Speaker 2: dummy LLCs to launder money. So he was taking money

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Speaker 2: from the Chinese. So we tried to write off a

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Speaker 2: sex club as a business expense, So we tried to

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Speaker 2: write off prostitutes as all these things. You know who

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Speaker 2: the real problem is here, Clay, Maga Republicans for pointing

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Speaker 2: all this out play clip one.

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Speaker 5: For six years, Maga Republicans, including members of the House

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Speaker 5: committees who are in a closed door session right now,

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Speaker 5: have impugned my character, invaded my privacy, attacked my wife,

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Speaker 5: my children, my family, and my friends. They've ridiculed my

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Speaker 5: struggle with addiction, They've belittled my recovery, and they have

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Speaker 5: tried to dehumanize me all too.

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Speaker 3: Embarrass and damage my father.

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Speaker 5: For six years, I've been the target of the unrelenting

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Speaker 5: Trump attack machine, shouting where's Hunter.

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Speaker 3: Well, here's my answer. I am here on offense, Clay,

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Speaker 3: What do you make of it?

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Speaker 1: I respect the fact that he wants to go on offense,

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Speaker 1: and I think we live in such a politically divided

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Speaker 1: that's going to believe that Hunter has been wronged because

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Speaker 1: they want to believe that their party is right, no

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Speaker 1: matter what the reality is. Hunter created all of this

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Speaker 1: mess himself, and I actually think the most significant thing.

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Speaker 1: First of all, let's talk about what should happen. He

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Speaker 1: should be immediately held in contempt of Congress for refusing

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Speaker 1: up and take the Fifth Amendment because he doesn't want

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Speaker 1: to incriminate himself, that is his right, as it is

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Speaker 1: the right of many others. But Donald Trump Junior ever

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Speaker 1: tweeted this out, and I think it really kind of

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Speaker 1: goes to the essence here, and I'm gonna read his tweet.

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden just refused to show up for his congressional testimony.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to the same amount of outrage from

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Speaker 1: the media as they'd have if I blew off any

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Speaker 1: of my five congressional sub penis subpenis. But since they're

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Speaker 1: covering for Joe Biden and his corruption, I won't hold

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Speaker 1: my breath. So the Trump family has regularly been required

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Speaker 1: to sit under oath and answer questions about a variety

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Speaker 1: of different stories, much of which are completely made up

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Speaker 1: Russia collusion, for instance, Because their dad is a politician,

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Speaker 1: they didn't do anything wrong. Nothing's been found wrong that

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Speaker 1: they have done. I actually think that Hunter in constantly

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Speaker 1: playing the addiction card is trying to make himself look

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Speaker 1: like a victim, when the reality is he chose everything

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Speaker 1: that has happened to him. Nobody stole his laptop, He

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Speaker 1: took it to a laptop repairman. Fifty one different intelligence

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Speaker 1: agents came out and then lied and said that Hunter's

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Speaker 1: laptop had all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation, when anyone

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Speaker 1: in time would have seen how true it all was.

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Speaker 1: And what I think is actually the most important part

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Speaker 1: of what Hunter said. Remember, press conference is a little

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Speaker 1: bit kind to him. He really just kind of showed

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Speaker 1: up and read a public statement. He didn't answer questions

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Speaker 1: from the media that was assembled there. But Buck, they

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Speaker 1: have totally changed their story. Remember when Joe Biden said

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Speaker 1: he had absolutely nothing to do with Hunter Biden's business

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Speaker 1: at all, that he didn't speak to Hunter's business partners.

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Speaker 1: All of that as part of the twenty twenty election

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Speaker 1: has been proven to be a lie. And now they

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Speaker 1: have retrenched their argument to Joe Biden wasn't directly compensated

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Speaker 1: by the money that Hunter got, and so if we

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Speaker 1: had an honest media, they would be looking at all

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Speaker 1: of this and saying, boy, there's a lot of smoke here.

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Speaker 1: But I think the biggest issue is this is just evidence.

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Speaker 1: Hunter's not going to be able to go away. They're

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Speaker 1: not going to be able buck to say what they

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Speaker 1: would have done if Judge Noriyeika had signed off, if

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Speaker 1: those irs whistleblowers hadn't come forward. That's old news, that's

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Speaker 1: taken care of. It doesn't exist anymore. The Hunter Biden

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four campaign, and I think it's going to

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Speaker 1: be hard to dismiss them. I mean, this is a

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Speaker 6: The final fortress, if you will.

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Speaker 2: For the Democrats, the line of demarcation they're going to

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Speaker 2: Hunter was a cutout for Joe. They want to create

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Speaker 2: this perception, Okay, Hunter's a mess addiction, blah blah, YadA YadA,

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Speaker 2: but Joe had nothing to do with this. Well, you're noticing, Clay.

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Speaker 2: They're having to parse it a little bit. Ever, since

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Speaker 2: more information because of Comer and the House Oversight Committee

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Speaker 2: has come out where now he's saying Hunter is saying

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Speaker 2: that Joe was never financially.

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Speaker 3: Involved in his business. This is cut too, this is

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Speaker 3: from today play it.

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Speaker 5: Let me state as clearly as I can, my father

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Speaker 5: was not financially involved in my business. Not as a

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Speaker 5: practicing lawyer, not as a board member of Barisma, not

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Speaker 5: in my partnership with a Chinese private businessman, not in

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Speaker 5: my investments at home nor abroad, and certainly not as

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Speaker 5: an artist. In the depths of my addiction, I was

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Speaker 5: extremely irresponsible.

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Speaker 3: With my finances.

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Speaker 5: But to suggest that his grounds for an impeacement inquiry

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Speaker 5: is beyond the absurd is shameless. There's no evidence to

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Speaker 5: support the allegations that my father was financially involved in

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Speaker 5: my business.

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Speaker 2: Like, can I just put out what I think happens

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Speaker 2: here or what I think the game is. Hunter's just

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Speaker 2: gonna You're right, it's now an issue. They were hoping,

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Speaker 2: you know, the judge nor Aka didn't let them do

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Speaker 2: what they were They were this close. They were like

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Speaker 2: this close to being Indiana Jones when he goes under

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Speaker 2: the big stone door and grabs the hat and he's good, right,

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Speaker 2: He's safe. They were so close but sure with the kids.

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Speaker 1: It reminds me of Scooby Doo, when you know the

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Speaker 1: guy who gets caught always says, if it hadn't been

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Speaker 1: for you, you know, kids, we would have gotten away

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Speaker 4: You know, when they unmask whoever mad guy is. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, But so now he has to go on offense.

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Speaker 2: So here's what ends up happening. As long as hunter

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Speaker 2: Biden is clear in his protection of Daddy and leaves

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Speaker 2: him as a viable candidate for office in the reelection.

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Speaker 2: He knows he is protected. Here's how he thinks this

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Speaker 2: Republicans go on offense, he plays the my dad loves me.

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Speaker 2: I have an addiction. It's my fault, not his fault. Game,

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Speaker 2: Stop blaming my dad. He hopes the legal onslaught against

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Speaker 2: Biden or Kamalo wins reelection and he gets pardoned of

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Speaker 2: every possible federal crime and he has random like you know,

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Speaker 2: sugar Dad, he's like guys who just give him. You know,

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Speaker 2: there's some lawyer gave him like five million dollars or

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Speaker 2: something like this. That's the warrior who paid off all

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Speaker 2: his back taxes. I mean pay off the back taxes

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Speaker 2: somebody else did, and he is going to be a

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Speaker 2: rich man again and completely outside the reach of federal

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Speaker 2: law by well.

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Speaker 3: By next December. On the way, what do you think

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Speaker 3: about this?

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Speaker 2: He will be he will be pardon of all charges,

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Speaker 2: and they'll find a way to start making him rich again.

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Speaker 2: As low long as he plays the game, as long

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Speaker 2: as he falls on his sword to protect Daddy, which

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Speaker 2: I think he would do anyway.

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Speaker 4: I think that he certainly will get pardoned.

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Speaker 1: And this is why, again, if we had an honest media,

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Speaker 1: they would be lambasting Joe Biden every time he's able

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Speaker 1: to do any kind of public event to get him

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Speaker 1: on the record saying I one hundred percent will not

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Speaker 1: pardon my son, because he will, and I don't even

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Speaker 1: begrudge Joe Biden for making that choice. In fact, when

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Speaker 1: I watched this press conference this morning, my first thought was,

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Speaker 1: I bet Joe Biden is gonna call Hunter within five

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Speaker 1: minutes of the press conference being over, basically as soon

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Speaker 1: and say you were amazing, son, You did such a

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Speaker 1: good job in that press conference. You you were fantastic.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what we needed to do. We needed to

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Speaker 1: go on offense and point out how awful these Republicans

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Speaker 6: But I still think for anyone who believes that there

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Speaker 2: So all the teary eyed stuff about my you know,

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Speaker 2: Let's come back. There's another Hunter bite by the way

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Speaker 4: Clay Travis and Buck sext Tonight Voices of Sanity an

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Speaker 2: As I speak to you now, the expectation is that

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Speaker 2: other question. But some interesting stuff has come out on this. Clay,

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Speaker 2: I have to sometimes contend with the fact that I

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Speaker 2: you know, I went through that exercise in my head

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Speaker 1: I think when you take millions of dollars in payments

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know, people waiting outside your home or something.

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Speaker 3: Yes? Were they going to do that anyway?

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Speaker 2: So maybe we might as well try to enforce or

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Speaker 4: That's what should be said.

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Speaker 1: That's what colleges should exist for. So the problem here

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Speaker 1: be accorded in society. It's honestly, Buck, to kill a

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Speaker 1: Mockingbird reversed, right. Everybody read to Kill a Mockingbird, or

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Speaker 1: at least some of you out there pretended to read

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Speaker 1: to Kill a Mockingbird when you were in school.

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Speaker 2: I didn't courage went to the cliff Notes. Let's be honest.

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Speaker 2: Some of you went to the cliff notes.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, Buck, Yesterday I was talking my

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Speaker 1: kids are in the finals, and my fifteen year old said,

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Speaker 1: you know, I kind of hate the way they test literature.

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Speaker 1: You just have to remember characters' names and you have

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Speaker 1: to remember plot points, and it's not like the overall

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Speaker 1: lesson of a book. And I said, yeah, because there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of knuckleheads out there that will not read

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Speaker 1: the book. And so the way they try to insist

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Speaker 1: that you read the book is, hey, what's the name

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Speaker 1: of the narrator? And to kill a Mockingbird it's Scout,

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Speaker 1: by the way, uh, And what's her dad's name. It's Atticus.

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's the point on This is Tom Robinson,

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Speaker 1: who and I love this novel, but Tom Robinson, who

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Speaker 1: was accused of raping a white woman, was guilty because

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Speaker 1: he was a black man. All identity politics does is

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Speaker 1: take the same principles that were roundly ridiculed and proven

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Speaker 1: to be profoundly wrong from to Kill a Mockingbird and

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Speaker 1: reverse the races. So you can't be guilty based on

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Speaker 1: your skin color. It's just a a sort of mirror image,

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Speaker 1: a one point eighty from you are guilty based on

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Speaker 1: your skin color, and now white people are guilty based

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Speaker 1: on their skin color, and black people, brown people can't

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Speaker 1: be guilty based on their skin color. It's a bastardization

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Speaker 1: of nineteen forties America, with the guys being that in

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Speaker 1: creating modern day racism, treating people differently based on their race,

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Speaker 1: you're somehow the good guy. And that is I believe

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Speaker 1: the root foundational issue that October seventh has exploded on

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Speaker 1: so many of these college campuses.

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Speaker 2: I think also it's it's easy to lose sight of

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Speaker 2: just how absurd, oppressive and obtuse this stuff on campus

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Speaker 2: really is. Because the formulation, if you take the old

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Speaker 2: school ACLU, now the ACLU is an authoritarian left wing

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Speaker 2: organization run by by wackos, has been for many years.

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Speaker 2: But the old school first Amendment, small l liberals out

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Speaker 2: there would say, well, what Harvard and these other schools,

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Speaker 2: and I think Clay, this is your position as well.

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Speaker 2: What Harvard and these other schools should do is just say, look,

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Speaker 2: you're allowed to say as long as you're not threatening violence,

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Speaker 2: as long as you're not breaking the law, as long

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Speaker 2: as you're not inciting a mob to go after somebody.

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Speaker 3: Basically, if your.

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Speaker 2: If your speech is lawful and does not cross over

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Speaker 2: into conduct or imminent threat, you know, you're allowed to

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Speaker 2: say what you want to say, and we'll tell people

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Speaker 2: to be nice to each other. The problem you have

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Speaker 2: on campus is that it's not like oh, because you know,

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Speaker 2: you know, because they have presidents on these campuses who

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Speaker 2: are saying, I don't know. There has to be a

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Speaker 2: context before I can decide whether genocide of the Jews

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Speaker 2: is a problem for our code of conduct. That there

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Speaker 2: will also be other heinous things that are allowed to

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Speaker 2: be said. No, the problem is you actually will be

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Speaker 2: treated like you're saying something heinous for saying that men

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Speaker 2: can't get pregnant, right, The problem is that it goes

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Speaker 2: into this other territory of the same rubric. It's kind

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Speaker 2: of like a reasonable man's standard failure, reasonable woman's standard failure.

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Speaker 2: The second they can, they will wield power for the

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Speaker 2: most clearly ideological means by claiming speech they don't like

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Speaker 2: equals violence.

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Speaker 3: Which is what they were doing for years.

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Speaker 2: Speech equals violence was their primary formulation. This was really

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Speaker 2: I feel like twenty six you know, the Trump era, right,

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Speaker 2: that's when speech became violence to them, and it was

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Speaker 2: things like I like Donald.

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Speaker 3: Trump, I should vote for him. That's violence.

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Speaker 1: Well, and not only that, really this is all rooted

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Speaker 1: in white college graduate anti liberalism, which is honestly of

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Speaker 1: the opinion that black let's be honest, is honestly of

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Speaker 1: the opinion that black people can't handle mean things, and

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Speaker 1: so white liberals decide they have to protect black people,

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Speaker 1: and that's where all the speech codes have to developed.

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Speaker 1: And what they're having to deal with now is, well,

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Speaker 1: how do you grapple with that in a situation where

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Speaker 1: the Palestinians who are seen as brown, the colonizers, the colonized,

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Speaker 1: and the oppressed. When they're the bad guy, you recognize

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Speaker 1: that this race based fabric doesn't exist in a tangible,

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Speaker 1: intelligent way.

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Speaker 4: When the white.

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Speaker 1: Person the Jewish people are actually the victims, the entire

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Speaker 1: identity politics world collapses and really, I think exposes the

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Speaker 1: root nastiness of this entire ideology.

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Speaker 2: Remember, we've got Miranda Devine joining us the next hour

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Speaker 2: with the latest on the Hunter Biden situation. Also third

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Speaker 1: who deserves all the Pulitzers for her Hunter Biden New

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Speaker 1: York Post expose a surrounding that Hunter Biden laptop. I'll

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Speaker 1: just te you up here, Miranda, what did you think

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Speaker 1: of Hunter Biden's performance and his suggestion that this was

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Speaker 1: all political, that he was just a poor addict, that

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Speaker 1: there's nothing that he's done wrong, and pretty significantly the

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Speaker 1: moving of the goalpost that continues to occur, where now

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Speaker 1: he's basically saying that his dad did not directly financially participate,

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Speaker 1: whereas Joe Biden back when he ran for president said

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Speaker 1: I had absolutely nothing to do with Hunter's business. He

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Speaker 1: made no money from China. There's a lot of shifting

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Speaker 1: that has gone on here. What's your assessment of what

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Speaker 1: you saw?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the shifting of the goalpost is absolutely breathtaking, and

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Speaker 7: it should have the media with their heads on swivels,

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Speaker 7: but they just roll with the punches, most of them.

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Speaker 7: So I thought it was a performance, just as you said.

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Speaker 7: And of course, you know, it's sort of been painted

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Speaker 7: as being bold and brash and courageous, but there's really

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Speaker 7: nothing courageous about flouting a congressional subpoena when you know

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Speaker 7: that you've got your father's pardon power in your back pocket.

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Speaker 7: There's just no consequences ever for Hunter. And I think

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Speaker 7: that his decision today to hold that kind of Woe

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Speaker 7: is Me press conference instead of turning up to the

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Speaker 7: committee hearing where he was supposed to testify, is just

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Speaker 7: another example of the kind of privilege that the Bidens

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Speaker 7: think that they're entitled to. They talk about being above

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Speaker 7: the law. They think they should have special treatment every

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Speaker 7: other witness that's turned up to the househover site or

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Speaker 7: ways and means of Judiciary committee hearing. It's always been

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Speaker 7: the same routine. You go and you sit for a

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Speaker 7: closed door deposition where the lawyers are able to they

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Speaker 7: have an hour each from both sides to ask really

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Speaker 7: in depth questions and get into granular detail, rather than

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Speaker 7: have the clown show that I'm sorry, that's what the

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Speaker 7: public hearings are up on Capitol Hill, where you know,

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Speaker 7: Democrats and Republicans get five minutes each and both sides

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Speaker 7: just grandstand. So that's why you have the closed door

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Speaker 7: depission and then after that you can have the public

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Speaker 7: hearing if you like. But you know, Hunter Biden knows that,

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Speaker 7: and so does his very expensive lawyer, Abby Lowell. So

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Speaker 7: instead they just chose to do this pr strategy and

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Speaker 7: Hunter just used the same cynical kind of tactic that

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Speaker 7: his father has employed to great effect throughout his political career,

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Speaker 7: and that is painting himself as an objective pity playing

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Speaker 7: on the public sympathy and empathy. And you know, you

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Speaker 7: notice that I think he mentioned his addiction, the struggles

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Speaker 7: that he had, his recovery and so on three or

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Speaker 7: four times, and you know, as if like he says,

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Speaker 7: I was, I was, you know, irresponsible with my finances,

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Speaker 7: it's a lot more than that. And the main I

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Speaker 7: think the top line, which you mentioned initially, was that

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Speaker 7: he made a point of saying that there's no evidence

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Speaker 7: that his father, as the president, was financially involved in

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Speaker 7: my business, and that is a very clever, loyally. Term

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Speaker 7: of those words have been very carefully passed, and that's

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Speaker 7: because they know that there's just overwhelming evidence and it

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Speaker 7: comes from bank records, it comes from testimony from eyewitnesses,

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Speaker 7: it comes from you know, iCloud warrants, warrants, search warrants

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Speaker 7: of Hunter's iCloud and so on. That's Joe Biden met

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Speaker 7: with Hunter, Biden's overseas business partners that were giving him,

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Speaker 7: you know, millions of dollars to the tune so far

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Speaker 7: that the Republicans and the irs have figured out twenty

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Speaker 7: four million dollars from China and sure in Ukraine and

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Speaker 7: so on. Joe Biden made himself available. He knew exactly

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Speaker 7: what was happening, that he was being sold to the

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Speaker 7: highest bidder. And you know, that's why I think Andy

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Speaker 7: McCarthy and Jonathan Turley have made this very you know,

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Speaker 7: important and salient point, which is that you don't need

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Speaker 7: to prove that any money went into Joe Biden's bank accounts,

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Speaker 7: even though James Comer is found I think two hundred

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Speaker 7: and forty thousand dollars that did go from Jim Biden

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Speaker 7: to Joe Biden's bank accounts, and some sort of money

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Speaker 7: from Hunters, which they dress up as a loan. But

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Speaker 7: you don't have to prove that for bribery, which is

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Speaker 7: part of the impeachment, in one of the impeachment crimes,

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Speaker 7: because these statutes for bribery just says that you have

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Speaker 7: to have provided services in your official capacity in return

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Speaker 7: for benefits. And those benefits went to his immediate family,

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Speaker 7: you know, millions of dollars of benefits. And so Joe

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Speaker 7: Biden appearing, you know, meeting with Hunter's business partners, showing

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Speaker 7: up on Devon Archer, set up to twenty phone calls.

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Speaker 7: I'm told there are more on the speaker phone to

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Speaker 7: speak to Hunter's business partners. You know, the firing of

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Speaker 7: the Ukrainian prosecutor, which is the big quick pro quo,

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Speaker 7: which that are most worried about. All of those things

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Speaker 7: are benefits where Joe Biden used his official powers to

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Speaker 7: benefit his son and his brother.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of Miranda Devine of the New York Post, and Miranda,

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Speaker 2: you know, I think that you're seeing this the way

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Speaker 2: I am, which is that I don't believe Hunter Biden

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Speaker 2: is worried at all about the legal consequences, at least

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Speaker 2: in terms of incarceration and serving any kind of a

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Speaker 2: printed prison sentence. We can see that one. But are

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Speaker 2: the people in and around by the world concerned that

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Speaker 2: this is actually causing real political harm to Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: or do they think they'll be able to pull the Oh,

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Speaker 2: Hunter is just an addict and his dad loves them,

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Speaker 2: and he had nothing to do with the card, and

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Speaker 2: that will be enough.

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Speaker 7: Look, I think you know, they have the media on

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Speaker 7: their side, so they can manipulate and control the narrative

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Speaker 7: in any way they like. I think the fact that

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Speaker 7: you've had this week, some Democrats have come out, I

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Speaker 7: think like Chris Murphy and have effectively thrown Hunter rounds

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Speaker 7: the bus and just said, look, you know, he's troubled,

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Speaker 7: he's done terrible things, blah blah blah. But they just

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Speaker 7: cauterize him from his father and they will just And

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Speaker 7: I think there are a lot of people you just

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Speaker 7: look at the Washington Post comments under stories in the

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Speaker 7: New York Times, who are very ready to forgive Joe

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Speaker 7: Biden to say his only crime was to be a

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Speaker 7: loving father, and he suffered enough tragedy in his life.

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Speaker 7: Both have leave them alone and cruel Republicans, and it's

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Speaker 7: very cynical. And I guess that's what Joe Biden has

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Speaker 7: done throughout his career. I mean, it's he's had forty

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Speaker 7: some odd years to cement this image of himself as honest, Joe, modest, Joe,

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Speaker 7: Joe who's you know, full of empathy because of the

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Speaker 7: tragedies that he you know, the legitimate tragedies that he

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Speaker 7: has suffered in his life, but he's leveraged that politically.

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Speaker 7: You know, the photo. I always think of this when

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Speaker 7: his wife and baby daughter were killed in a car

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Speaker 7: crash at the very beginning of his senate career, and

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Speaker 7: Hunter and his brother Bo were just little, tiny tops

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Speaker 7: and they were badly injured in the car accident, and

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Speaker 7: so they're in hospital, all bandaged up, and you know,

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Speaker 7: little one, you know, motherless boys lying on this hospital bed,

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Speaker 7: and Joe Biden invited the photographers and the media scrum

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Speaker 7: into that room to photograph him while he was being

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Speaker 7: sworn in. And you know, that touched the heartstrings of

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Speaker 7: two generations of American voters. And you can't help but

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Speaker 7: feel empathy and sympathy when you see that photograph. But

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Speaker 7: when you step back a little bit and think about it.

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Speaker 7: Joe Biden's used that photograph in every election campaign since.

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Speaker 7: And why didn't he, you know, get sworn.

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Speaker 1: In, sworn in anywhere other than his kid's hospital room

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Speaker 1: is a very valid question.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, he could have, and they're right in the foreground.

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Speaker 7: He's used that every time, and it's quite sickening. You know,

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Speaker 7: even when he met with the family members of the

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Speaker 7: thirteen fallen service personnel who were killed in carbull in

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Speaker 7: the watched his watched withdrawal from Afghanistan. You know, you

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Speaker 7: saw then how genuine his empathy is. Those parants were

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Speaker 7: disgusted by his behavior. He's looking at his watch constantly

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Speaker 7: as the bodies were being brought home. And then when

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Speaker 7: he talked to them, they said that he just talked

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Speaker 7: about himself. He just talked about his son Bo who

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Speaker 7: died several years earlier of brain cancer, not from falling

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Speaker 7: in the line of duty as their sons did, because

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Speaker 7: of the incompetent president who was seeking a timeline that

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Speaker 7: suited him politically to get out of Afghanistan. So I

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Speaker 7: think that, you know, over time, the mythology that Joe

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Speaker 7: Biden has built around himself is crumbling. Honest, Joe certainly

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Speaker 7: is modest. Joe. I mean, he has a champagne lifestyle,

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Speaker 7: and so does his entire family. And you can see

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Speaker 7: that just from the indictment of Hunt of Biden, where

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Speaker 7: you know the millions of dollars that he lavished on

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Speaker 7: himself and his own indulgences from hookers to you know,

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Speaker 7: tens of thousands of dollars on clothes. I think it

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Speaker 7: was seventy thousand on new teeth. You know, hotel rooms,

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Speaker 7: lavish hotel rooms. You know, money is no object.

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Speaker 1: And do you feel, by the way, Miranda, last question

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Speaker 1: for you, and thank you for the time here, do

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Speaker 1: you feel some measure of vindication that years now after

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Speaker 1: your initial report Basically, if you look at that those

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Speaker 1: charges fought filed for tax evasion issues with Hunter, all

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Speaker 1: of it's now been proven to be true.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure you read that complaint.

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Speaker 1: A lot of it was reporting that you had previously

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Speaker 1: put out there based on the laptop. Is that some

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Speaker 1: form of personal validation now that it took three years

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Speaker 1: and anybody with a functional brain who'd read your reporting knew.

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Speaker 4: How valid it was.

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Speaker 1: But now it's out there in the public domain and

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Speaker 1: impossible to ignore.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, kind of. I mean, look, it was so obviously true,

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Speaker 7: and anyone with half a brain and who was honest

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Speaker 7: knew it was true from the start. And Joe Biden's

745
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Speaker 7: continual lies and cover up, that the immense cover up

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Speaker 7: from the DOJ and the FBI and the CIA shows

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Speaker 7: that they obviously have something to hide. And I don't

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Speaker 7: think we've uncovered it all yet. So let's hope that,

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Speaker 7: you know, justice does come and accountability does come, and

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Speaker 7: that the American people, especially that part of the public

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Speaker 7: that is being a gas lit by their media sources,

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Speaker 7: that they actually come to their senses and realize the truth,

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Speaker 7: and that something is done about this corruption in Washington,

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Speaker 7: because if the Biden family gets away with this outright

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Speaker 7: corruption and selling out America's national security, then you know,

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Speaker 7: the next person that does it will be even worse.

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Speaker 6: Randa Devine, everybody always fantastic, Miranda, appreciate you being here.

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Speaker 7: Great to be with you. Guys.

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Speaker 2: for being here. Break it down for us, what is

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Speaker 2: this the latest motion from the Trump attorneys mean for

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Speaker 2: the overall architecture of January sixth cases and some of

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Speaker 2: the defendants who have even already been found guilty.

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Speaker 8: So this is related to the very encouraging news today

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Speaker 8: that the Supreme Court will take up a challenge to

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Speaker 8: the Department of Justice's use of fifteen twelve C to

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Speaker 8: two obstruction of an official proceeding. This was a statute

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Speaker 8: passed after the enrun Arthur Anderson counting scandal that sort

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Speaker 8: of closed a loophole related to the destruction or campering

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Speaker 8: with witnesses or evidence. You might recall the shredding of

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Speaker 8: documents in that case. What DOJ has done in January

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Speaker 8: sixth is weaponize that statute to criminalize political dissent. You

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Speaker 8: have more than three hundred and twenty January sixth defendants

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Speaker 8: who have been charged with this felony punishable by to

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Speaker 8: twenty years in prison. This also represents half of Jack

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Speaker 8: Smith's criminal indictment against Donald Trump. Two of the fourth

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Speaker 8: count are affected by are directly fifteenth twelve C two related.

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Speaker 8: So the notion, the idea that the Supreme Court picked

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Speaker 8: up what was called really a muddy splintered ruling by

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Speaker 8: the Appellate Court that upheld DOJ's use of this statute.

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Speaker 8: The fact that the Supreme Court came back as many

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Speaker 8: have predicted, and they will have to evaluate how the

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Speaker 8: DOJ intentionally misinterpreted the language in that statute to use

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Speaker 8: it as a felony charge against so many Americans. For

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Speaker 8: J six and now Jack Smith, the repercussions here are huge,

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Speaker 8: not just for Donald Trump, which we can sort of

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Speaker 8: talk about the timeline in this collision course, but people

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Speaker 8: who have already spent years in prison for convictions or

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Speaker 8: plea deals on this. You're at least one man, Matthew Perna,

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Speaker 8: who hung himself in February of twenty twenty two after

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Speaker 8: he was told the DJ was going to seek years

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Speaker 8: in prison after he pleaded guilty to fifteen twelve C.

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Speaker 7: Two.

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Speaker 8: The human wreckage left behind in this Department of Justice

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Speaker 8: Merrick Garland and Matthew Graves, a DCUs attorney bastardizing this

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Speaker 8: statute to punish people and destroy the lives of those

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Speaker 8: who protested Joe Biden's election. This will go down in

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Speaker 8: history legal history as one of the worst abuses of

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Speaker 8: power by DJ and at least fifteen judges on the

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Speaker 8: DC District Court who refused to dismiss this count even

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Speaker 8: though they knew DJ was misusing it.

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Speaker 1: Julie, you've done great work on all this, and I

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Speaker 1: want to give you credit. I think you came on

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Speaker 1: with us months ago and raised this as Hey, this

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Speaker 1: is a looming issue for the Jack Smith prosecution, so

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Speaker 1: I want to focus on the Donald Trump aspect, but

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Speaker 1: also want to reiterate over three hundred people have been

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Speaker 1: convicted using this statute, right, so if the Supreme Court charged, Okay,

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Speaker 1: if the Supreme Court looks at this, am I correct?

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Speaker 1: Before I dive into Trump, that Graves, after this ruling

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Speaker 1: and as the appeals have been going on, has stopped

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Speaker 1: trying to charge people with this offense and prosecute because

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Speaker 1: he's been worried about how it's going to be held

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Speaker 1: up by the courts.

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Speaker 7: Correct.

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Speaker 8: So Matthew Graves is a DCOs attorney Biden appointee, still

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Speaker 8: rounding up and arresting people every day, including today. But

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Speaker 8: once this appellate ruling came down in April, which really

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Speaker 8: resulted in three different opinions, so by law then it

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Speaker 8: has to go to the Supreme Court for clarification. But

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Speaker 8: since then, Matthew Graves has basically stopped using that felony

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Speaker 8: count against JA sixers. He switched it out to civil

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Speaker 8: disorder felony because they know that now that the Suppellate

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Speaker 8: court ruling was so moddeled and it was then presented

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Speaker 8: to the Supreme Court, and everyone has expected the Supreme

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Speaker 8: Court to pick this up, even Democratic judges who have

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Speaker 8: allowed discount to go forward, they knew this was coming.

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Speaker 8: So the mere fact that Matthew Grace has stopped using

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Speaker 8: that count is very telling. But more so it shows

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Speaker 8: the arrogance of Jack Smith, who included these two counts

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Speaker 8: in the four count indictment against Trump in August.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so that's where I want to go to.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at this now, Julie and saying, I don't

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Speaker 1: see any way possible this trial starts on March fourth,

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Speaker 1: because half of the charges that Jack Smith is now

881
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Speaker 1: trying to bring against Donald Trump may get thrown out

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Speaker 1: by the Supreme Court. I could see potentially Jack Smith

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Speaker 1: trying to prosecute only two of the four charges now,

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Speaker 1: or having to acknowledge that he has to wait to

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Speaker 1: see if he can still bring all four. Do you

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Speaker 1: agree with me that March fourth feels out the window

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Speaker 1: what happens now?

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, this is just another nail in a coffin for

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Speaker 8: this rushed March fourth trial date in Washington related to

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Speaker 8: the events of January sixth. Of course, we already see

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Speaker 8: what he did this week, a desperate attempt to leap

892
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Speaker 8: frog the Appellate court force the Supreme Court to weigh

893
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Speaker 8: in on this presidential immunity claim me by Donald Trump

894
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Speaker 8: that he is immune from prosecution based on being the president.

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Speaker 8: That we don't criminally indict presidents, especially after they leave office,

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Speaker 8: and he had already been impeached, which is basically the

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Speaker 8: criminal justice process in Congress. So aside from that, that's

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Speaker 8: very uncertain as well. But I feel like this is

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Speaker 8: even more important because this issue could be resolved sooner

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Speaker 8: than the executive and presidential immunity issues. Scotus could refuse

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Speaker 8: to take up this emergency order by Jack Smith, take

902
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Speaker 8: it back to the Appellate Court, and that could take

903
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Speaker 8: weeks or months before they come to a conclusion. But

904
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Speaker 8: in this case, we know for sure the Supreme Court

905
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Speaker 8: is taking it up oral arguments. I'm told by my

906
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Speaker 8: sources could happen in March or April, this is when

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Speaker 8: Trump is supposed to be on trial for this very count,

908
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Speaker 8: and then in June, the Supreme Court would issue their ruling,

909
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Speaker 8: presumably a very strong, very strong opinion, vacating this appelic

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Speaker 8: court ruling and interpreting the statute the right way that

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Speaker 8: could be. Let's say that the March fourth, date six,

912
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Speaker 8: he's convicted of fifteen twelve Seed two and the other

913
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Speaker 8: fifteen twelve count, and in June, Judge chucktan is supposed

914
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Speaker 8: to be sentencing him, but the Supreme Court comes back

915
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Speaker 8: and overturns the OJ's use of it. I mean, this

916
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Speaker 8: is the sort of collision course we're talking about. So

917
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Speaker 8: what is Jack Smith going to do now? Will he

918
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Speaker 8: drop those two counts and supersede, which we've talked about,

919
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 8: I think for over a year at a superseding indictment

920
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,240
Speaker 8: that adds different charges so he can cover his bases,

921
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Speaker 8: or will he go back to the court. I'm sure

922
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Speaker 8: Trump's lawyers are working on this. I've already seen at

923
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Speaker 8: least one j six defendant today ask for delay and

924
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 8: sentencing on this count. Will Jack Smith go back and

925
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 8: tell the court we need to put this on hold

926
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 8: because of the uncertainty of this count. I doubt it,

927
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 8: but you know, these are the open ended questions that

928
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Speaker 8: we're dealing with right now.

929
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Speaker 6: Speaking of Julie Kelly, her substack is declassified.

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Speaker 3: Go subscribe to it.

931
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Speaker 6: I mean, Julie, do you feel like I'm just wondering.

932
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Speaker 2: I know this isn't the most specific legal analysis, but

933
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 2: the Democrat system where the apparatus is just going to

934
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Speaker 2: refuse to allow Trump to get through all of this,

935
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Speaker 2: meaning it's either all delayed or on a you know

936
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Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, is there some other thing that

937
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 2: you can see looming in the background here, or is

938
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Speaker 2: it really possible that Trump might end up not even

939
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:49,439
Speaker 2: facing either of these federal trials before the people cast

940
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Speaker 2: their vote, Like, how do you see this playing out?

941
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Speaker 8: It's such a good question because we also have the

942
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Speaker 8: May twenty trial date that's still sort of out there

943
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Speaker 8: for the classified documents case. Now, in that situation, we

944
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Speaker 8: have Judge Aileen Cannon, who has been very tough on

945
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 8: DJ and she actually suspended all the pre trial deadlines

946
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Speaker 8: leading up to that May twentieth trial date. She confronted

947
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 8: Jack Smith's team I was in the courtroom saying, you

948
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 8: can't assure me that the March fourth trial for Donald

949
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Speaker 8: Trump is going to be completed by the time he

950
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Speaker 8: is expected to be here in Florida on May twentieth.

951
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 8: For this indictment. You chose to bring these indictments back

952
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Speaker 8: to back. You knew they were going to be in

953
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 8: different venues, so she's already kind of called them on

954
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Speaker 8: the carpet. So let's even imagine the judge or Jack Smith,

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Speaker 8: or because of the Supreme Court, they kicked this Washington

956
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 8: January sixth trial to what April May? The classified documents

957
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Speaker 8: trial will be gone. Then it will be after the election.

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Speaker 8: There's no way that they can move forward with that.

959
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Speaker 8: But do they have the hubris, the arrogance, the bloodlust

960
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 8: to just keep pushing this no matter what they do?

961
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Speaker 8: I will tell you that they do. They will go

962
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Speaker 8: to any extreme possible to make sure that Donald Trump

963
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Speaker 8: is on trial this spring and to get a conviction.

964
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Speaker 8: But it certainly has other ramifications. And at what point

965
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Speaker 8: what's the breaking point? You know, you guys, at what

966
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:21,439
Speaker 8: point do any Democrats or legal organizations or anyone say

967
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 8: this is enough. You've pushed this as far as you

968
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Speaker 8: can go. Now you're going into headwinds at the highest

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Speaker 8: court in the land, like, what are you doing this for?

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Speaker 3: Crazy people?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but even with this case, I mean, they could

972
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Speaker 1: not release an opinion until June, which would mean you

973
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Speaker 1: couldn't start till probably you know you're going to have

974
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Speaker 1: to sit for the jury. I mean, I just increasingly

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Speaker 1: I don't see any way even that this this trial happens.

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Speaker 4: Julie, you're doing great work.

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Speaker 1: Keep us updated, have a great Christmas, and well I'm

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Speaker 1: sure be talking to you.

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Speaker 8: So grateful.

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Speaker 3: Merry Christmas July.

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