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Speaker 1: These uncertain times for baseball and the entire world require experimentation, innovation,

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Speaker 1: already be at home. Maybe that cliche doesn't work in

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Speaker 1: this case. This is Earning Their Stripes, a podcast show

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Speaker 1: dedicated to the Marlins farm system. I am Eli Sussman.

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Speaker 1: For the first time ever ever, our Fish Stripes top

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Speaker 1: prospect lists will be sorted out over the airwaves. In

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Speaker 1: this episode, we will discuss and select the current top

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Speaker 1: thirty Marlins prospects, plus a few honorable mentions heading into

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty season. If there is even gonna be

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Speaker 1: a twenty twenty season, that is still very much up

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Speaker 1: in the air, but we wanted to update our preference

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Speaker 1: on all these players, some new insight and learn more

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Speaker 1: by talking directly to each other all about it helping

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Speaker 1: me do that. There's going to be four of us

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Speaker 1: here on the call, with me making five in total.

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by Ethan Bodowski.

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Speaker 2: What's going on, guys, Hope you're all staying home? Everybody's

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Speaker 3: Spencer Morris, Hey has going guys. I'm currently lockdown in

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Speaker 3: my very small bedroom.

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Speaker 4: Ian Smith, Hi, how you guys doing it's been a while.

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Speaker 1: Louis Davila.

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Speaker 5: Big happy to be here. I hope everyone's staying safe,

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Speaker 5: and I'm excited to finally make my debut on this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Podcast that you named yourself about a year ago. If

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Speaker 1: it every single day until this Stelf quarantine ends. The

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Speaker 1: last time we updated the list was in December. It

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Speaker 1: was right before Christmas on the top thirty Marlins prospects.

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Speaker 1: Since then, we still had a little bit of Winter

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Speaker 1: League action going on, but probably more importantly, they had

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Speaker 2: They did play in games.

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Speaker 1: We got to see them either in person or live

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Speaker 1: our update. At that time, the number one guy was

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Speaker 1: right hander six To. Sanchez finished last year, spent most

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Speaker 1: extremely great strike throwing ability. He's going to be twenty

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Speaker 5: You know, it's definitely valid to knock him down a

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Speaker 5: I think the way he throws strikes during game and

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Speaker 3: I think between him and six though, with Jazz you're

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Speaker 1: because Edward Cabrera did get into a couple's Great Fruit

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Speaker 3: think it's very close. I think obviously both of these

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Speaker 5: Basically, I want to mention this on six though before

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Speaker 1: Fair enough. One other guy I wanted to bring in

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Speaker 2: And there you go. Perfect. Yeah, that's perfect. That's that's

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Speaker 2: where I would put my top five right now.

436
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Speaker 5: I think for me, I'll go six though, and that

437
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 5: I think Jazz really made bad jump and I'm huge

438
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,479
Speaker 5: fan of Edward, so I'll go six though, Jazz, Edward

439
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 5: and those three very close with Blue Day and then

440
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 5: Jesus Sanchez right behind Blue Day. And honestly, I think

441
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 5: with Hazu Sanchez his stock has dropped a bit over

442
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 5: time since the trade, and it's fair because of the

443
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 5: strikeouts and stuff. But I think he handled himself pretty

444
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 5: well the spring training and he did like he wasn't

445
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 5: just participating, like he was hitting well off some big

446
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 5: league pictures. I think he hit like a four hundred

447
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 5: foot triple off Zach Grinky when he faced the Astros.

448
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 5: So I'm feeling pretty good about him, but I'll still

449
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 5: have him as number five OVERAF in that group.

450
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you mentioned Hazeus Sanchez and I haven't seen such

451
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 4: easy power from him. Then I saw him the spring training.

452
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 4: I mean it was back to work in the cages

453
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 4: and MVP. But still the kid's left handed swing is

454
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 4: so easy. And he missed so much time at the

455
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 4: end of last year, and I think he went down

456
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 4: at the end of August, so we missed a good

457
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 4: pit of his season last year, and going even into

458
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 4: the spring training, he didn't participate till about a month

459
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Speaker 4: into it. So seeing Jesus was pretty exciting this year.

460
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 4: But just to give you my top five six though,

461
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 4: is still going to be one, but it's extremely close

462
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 4: at this point. We didn't get to be at that

463
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 4: segment of the podcast, but it'll be six to one,

464
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 4: Jazz two. I'm going to have the Day three, Sanchez four.

465
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Speaker 4: And this is weird for me, but I'm putting Eddie

466
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 4: five right now. Just his stuff was electricis ring we

467
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 4: as we talked about it. But if he doesn't tighten

468
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 4: up the control and if it gets loose on him again,

469
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 4: then there could be albums there. So as of right now,

470
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Speaker 4: is in my fifth prospect to.

471
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Speaker 3: Five and for my top five is going to look

472
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,959
Speaker 3: a little bit different. Like I said, I would have

473
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Speaker 3: Jazz at number one. Still right now, I feel good

474
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Speaker 3: about that one blade. I would have second, followed by

475
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 3: Sanchez six though, Sanchez Cabrera and then Jesus Sanchez. I

476
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 3: think with Bladet, you're getting already made out of the

477
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,959
Speaker 3: box part of the order, major league hitter who profiles

478
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 3: pretty well in right field to boot. He's not like

479
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 3: just a bat. He's a solid defender at a position.

480
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 3: It's not, you know, all the way at the bottom

481
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Speaker 3: of the defensive spectrum. So I think he's a very

482
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Speaker 3: very high probability guy who brings a good deal of

483
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Speaker 3: upside as well.

484
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Speaker 1: All right, So I'm gonna do my informal calculations here,

485
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: so we're okay. If we roll this all together, Sixto

486
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: at one, Jazz at two, blo Eday at three, Edward

487
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: at four, and Hayesu's at five. We could all live

488
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: with that, do you think?

489
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 3: Yeah?

490
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 2: I like it. I like her too good.

491
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: So what does that to compare to the old one? Yeah,

492
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: moves Jazz up two spots. It moves Blowday down one spot,

493
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: Edward up one, and Jesus down one. Yeah.

494
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, Jazz was the star of

495
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 2: spring training. I mean he caught all the headlines in

496
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 2: terms of the young guys, uh and so I think

497
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: for that we have to you got to give him

498
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: some credit for what he was able to show at

499
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 2: the major league level, and then also what he showed

500
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 2: when he came over to the Marlins organization last year.

501
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 2: He was tremendous at the end of the year. So

502
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 2: he definitely deserves that credit to be among the top two.

503
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, he's uh, yeah, he's a guy that

504
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: has all those intangibles that you want to speak.

505
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 2: Him and Tyler Hero are going to be good buddies.

506
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 2: I feel like they could be like this this face

507
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: of the young Miami crowd for the next you know,

508
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 2: when they're playing in Miami together. Like, I think they

509
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 2: could be really good buddies.

510
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 4: I mean talking about Jazz's personality, I mean even with

511
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 4: even with the media of the spring, he was the

512
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 4: easiest guy to talk to. He'd be down to talk

513
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 4: to and anytime in the day. I saw him be

514
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 4: the last guy off the practice field probably three times

515
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 4: out of the ten times I was there this spring,

516
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 4: just signing on a grass and taking pictures with fans.

517
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 4: He's like, you guys said, the easiest person to be around,

518
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 4: especially on in a baseball club. Whole was like it was,

519
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 4: it was great.

520
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, speed it along a little bit from this point forward.

521
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to throw out a couple names at a time. Again,

522
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,959
Speaker 1: this is going to be based on where we had

523
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: these guys ranks on the previous list. So we got

524
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: those top five going, and of course Ethan already got

525
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: his mention of Monte in there, and Monte and Jazz

526
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: just happened to be pretty close friends all in the

527
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: field and have some similarities as prospects too, So Monte

528
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: is going to be part of this next Greek I'm

529
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: going to throw out all the same time, Monte, Braxton, Garrett,

530
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: and Laywin Diez. Monte is the oldest of the bunch.

531
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: He's already twenty four, and considering how delayed the season

532
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: might be, he'll be close to twenty five when he's

533
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: actually reaching the big leagues, which is not something you

534
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: generally see from a guy that's this high up on

535
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: a prospect rankings for an organization that's as top that's

536
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: really has so much high end talent as the Marlin

537
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: Zoo right now, Braxton Garrett, the left hander who's coming

538
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: off his first semi full season back from Tommy John

539
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: surgery and really impressed with Jupiter. He's twenty two and

540
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: Laywin who they acquired him in July from the Sergio

541
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: Romo deal and he immediately continued hitting for excellent power

542
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: with Jacksonville. He went to the Dominican Winter League. He

543
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: won Rookie of the Year in the Dominican Winter League,

544
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: showed up to spring training and hit a couple of

545
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: bombs in spring training as well. He's a guy that

546
00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: personally for me is I think he's amazing, really like

547
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: his potential. He's gonna be He's twenty three years old,

548
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: so jeffor guy. You want to go in depth on him,

549
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: I'll just throw them all at the same time. Monte

550
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: Braxton and Laywin some general thoughts.

551
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 3: About those guys. Leywen is a for me, is a

552
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 3: really high probability guy. I have a lot of confidence

553
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 3: in his bat. I think he's going to be above

554
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 3: average in both the hit and power departments. You'd like

555
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 3: to see him walk a little bit more, but it's

556
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 3: not like a complete free swing approach, so that's not

557
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 3: a big concern for me. I think you're gonna see

558
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 3: him and JJ Blodet are going to spend a lot

559
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 3: of time in the heart of the Marlins lineup for

560
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 3: years to come.

561
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 5: In my opinion, Yeah, So, I I don't know how

562
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 5: I feel about it, but I'm pretty confident in saying

563
00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 5: that Laywan Diaz has jumped both Braxton and Monte, And

564
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 5: it's kind of tough to make that decision because Monte

565
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 5: plays such exceptional defense at center field and runs so well.

566
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 5: But I think lay Win's back and his defense at

567
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 5: first base, which I think is severely underrated. He moves

568
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 5: very well for his size, and he makes every play,

569
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 5: and when he's at the plate, he does swing a lot,

570
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 5: but he makes a lot of contact as well, and

571
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 5: I think over time he'll start to recognize what his

572
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 5: ideal pitches and he'll start to capitalize more. But I mean,

573
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 5: his power is already insane and he makes exceptional contact.

574
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 5: So I feel great about him, and in any other

575
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 5: system he probably is a top five prospect. That it

576
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 5: feels weird ranking him outside of the top five.

577
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. The weird thing that I'd say that my instant

578
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: reaction to the trade when they got Leywin is that

579
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: I was a little under because one thing about his

580
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: batted ball profile is that he doesn't hit all that

581
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: many like sharp line drives. He hits a lot of

582
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: these majestic high fly balls. And you could see it

583
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: in some of the home runs that he hit with

584
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: Jacksonville after the trade and then even before the trade

585
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: when he was in Pensacola and the Twins system, that

586
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: he hits these like majestic fly balls, And I was

587
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: worrying that, like you bring that up to the majors

588
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: the ballparks, some of those ballparks are a little bit larger,

589
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: or if he doesn't necessarily barrow the ball and he's

590
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,239
Speaker 1: hitting these like high fly balls, is it's still going

591
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: to have enough juice to get out.

592
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 7: In each of their last three games, two Airs committed yesterday,

593
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 7: this too, too is rocketed deep out to right field,

594
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 7: so Gofia will give Chase approaches the wall. It is gone.

595
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 7: He has is having a field day with the right

596
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 7: field burm here in Biloxi.

597
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: But it just does the fact that when you look

598
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: at it a little deeper, the fact Triple A they

599
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: use that juice ball the same way that the May,

600
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: but when he was playing at Double A last year,

601
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: they didn't have that same luxury to it. As I mentioned,

602
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: he was in the Dominican as well over the winter

603
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: and hit some home runs. What he showed in spring

604
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: training games as well, and you just need to trust

605
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: his training, I guess, because the big change in his

606
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: whole career trajectory last year was that he first he

607
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: lost a lot of weight after being kind of out

608
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,479
Speaker 1: of shape when he was with the Twins in twenty eighteen,

609
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: and then what he did this past offseason is he

610
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: put some weight back on, but he put on the

611
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: good weight he tried to. He really got into the

612
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: weight room and tried to even fill out his frame

613
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: a little bit more if that's possible at the stage

614
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: of his career, and for someone that is overall, if

615
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: you combined those two off seasons, how dramatically he has

616
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: changed his whole physique and how that could tap into

617
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: that could really show out more of the natural talent

618
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: that he's had since the very beginning of his career.

619
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: So that's one thing that definitely made me.

620
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: A big believer in him, obsessed with him. Like Mish

621
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 2: always talks about how much the Marlins absolutely adore Leland

622
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 2: and how they think he's sure fire number one. You know,

623
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: the first basement in the future, and so I think

624
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: he just kind of got to trust the Marlins on

625
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 2: that with how excited they are about this guy in

626
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: terms of sending him up the boards. If they're excited

627
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 2: about him, why are we not excited about him, you

628
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 2: know what I mean? And he's produced. I mean, he

629
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 2: came over and hit a bunch of bombs and was

630
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 2: tagging extra base hits every night, it seems like so.

631
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: And the other factor is he's the only first basement

632
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: in the system. You know, for a long time we

633
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 2: were talking about moving some of the outfielders that weren't

634
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 2: as strong defensively to first base, just to give us

635
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 2: a first base option. But now we have one, and

636
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: we have a really good one. I think he was

637
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: ranked on Pipeline's top ten first basements. He's probably like

638
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 2: a fringe one hundred prospect top one hundred prospects right now,

639
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 2: I'd say, so, yeah, I think you got to give

640
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 2: him some crediting, kind of give him a little boost

641
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: just off of the you know, kind of attention that

642
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: he's getting from within the major leagues. And the dude

643
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: is absolutely massive. He was at the High All Star

644
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: Game that Ian and I were at and I don't

645
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: remember just seeing him and just being amazed from even

646
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 2: from thirty rows up or where we were at the

647
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: size of the guy. So yeah, he's a guy that

648
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,919
Speaker 2: can just jump in. And I think he could jump

649
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,479
Speaker 2: in sometime late this year. You know, obviously we don't

650
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 2: know what's going to happen this year, and you know,

651
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 2: usually i'd say September, but I think you could possibly

652
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: see him. The Marlins have not been afraid at all

653
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: to move these guys quickly through the system for years.

654
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 3: You know.

655
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: We saw it with like Osiris and Connor Scott and

656
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 2: other guys you know, playing in low A early right

657
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,479
Speaker 2: after they were drafted. The Marlins aren't going to hold

658
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 2: guys back. So if they think Lewin's ready, they seem

659
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: to they're going to move him up quickly. And I

660
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 2: think we could see him in the majors pretty soon.

661
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 5: And I actually want to share a story. So this

662
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 5: is my first I think it was my first time

663
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 5: covering Jacksonville last summer, and I was so excited to

664
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 5: go see six Do Sanchez and he's facing the Twins

665
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 5: double A team I think it's the Blue Wahoos, and

666
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 5: this is when Leywin was still on that team. Six oh,

667
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 5: was absolutely dominating that game. I think he had only

668
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 5: given up a couple of runs in the first inning.

669
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 5: He was cruising, but the only guy who was consistently

670
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 5: barreling him was Leywan Diaz, and I hadn't really heard

671
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 5: of him until that point. So I'm in the press

672
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 5: box with a couple other Twins prospects that are taking

673
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 5: down track man data and the one I was talking

674
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 5: to was Griffin Jacks, and I'm talking to him like,

675
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 5: who is this guy? Like he's hitting really well, and

676
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 5: he said, watch out for this guy. And next thing

677
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 5: you know, Marlin's trade for him and he's popping up

678
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 5: rankings again. And he he hit twenty seven home runs

679
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 5: last year and just come out of no you never

680
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 5: know who's gonna come and yeah, there you go. So

681
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 5: Marlins have their their first basement of the future. And

682
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 5: I think it's legit. This guy. His presence at the plate,

683
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 5: he's huge, he's intimidating, he hits pretty much anything. I

684
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 5: think he's gonna be a fantastic player for the Marlins.

685
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: So my question is I named manse Braxton Lewin. Do

686
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: we think there's anybody else in the system that is

687
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: in that same tier players is there the next guy's

688
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: down on that list, whether it is Trevor Rodgers or

689
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: Nick Knighter, Cameron Meisner, Gerard and Carnacion.

690
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: I always, I personally always kind of paired uh Brax

691
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 2: and Rogers together. Maybe it's just kind of aesthetically they're lefties.

692
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: They played for Jupiter last year, but I mean it

693
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: always seems like they're kind of one after the other

694
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 2: on prospect lists, so I've always kind of paired them together.

695
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 2: But I mean, Ian, this is your guy, like Gerar, like, yeah,

696
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: you in there.

697
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 4: I think I think Rar could be a top ten

698
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 4: prospect this year in our system. I don't see him

699
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 4: as the top eight. If we're going to talk about

700
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 4: those guys right there that we just talked about, I

701
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 4: think Rar is one more good year. He's a top

702
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 4: eight player. Like I said, I mean these pop up prospects,

703
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 4: like like even even Eddie last year, what Harar did

704
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 4: this ring was unprecedented. I don't think anybody was ready

705
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 4: for the power that he showed in games, hitting some

706
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 4: bombs into the wind. That was I guess so unexpected.

707
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 4: Like he's he's shown some real power. But he came

708
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 4: in this year looking like a bigger Stanton in the

709
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 4: swing and and everything else. The kid just looked ready

710
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 4: to play big league ball. I think he's like I said,

711
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 4: I think he's a top ten prospect in our system.

712
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 4: I don't, I mean, we have to see what he's

713
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 4: gonna do. He's probably gonna start the year and Jupiter

714
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 4: again next year with a quick move to Jacksonville. If

715
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 4: he doesn't start in Jacksonville already, I'm not sure. But yeah,

716
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 4: I think he's got a real chance to make some

717
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 4: noise this year, and as a top ten guy. I mean,

718
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 4: like I said, I don't think he's in the Monte

719
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 4: or the excuse me, the Monte or the Ley one

720
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 4: class yet, but like, he still has so much time.

721
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 4: He's only twenty two years old. He's made some huge

722
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 4: strides in a year. Just let him work. We don't

723
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 4: have any rush on these kids. So if he's going

724
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 4: to be a top ten or or hire in our system,

725
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 4: then just let this.

726
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:22,959
Speaker 2: Let it happen.

727
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: And as we said, he really started grillings with this year.

728
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:36,479
Speaker 1: Drop deep love, dude, oh baby, who.

729
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 2: Did it again?

730
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 5: And here's the thing about Gerar is that you can

731
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 5: actually kind of parallel him with Monte. They have that

732
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 5: same row power. They both entered their professional careers not

733
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 5: really having played much baseball throughout their lives, so a

734
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 5: lot of the strides Gerar has made are just simply

735
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 5: like adaptations to just getting at bats for long time

736
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 5: and finally like being a baseball player. So I think

737
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 5: Gerar has the upside play and he he's there, Like,

738
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 5: if I have to put anybody into this group on upside,

739
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 5: it would be Jerrar. I think he's the only guy

740
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 5: you can do that with. And then with the floor,

741
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 5: I would maybe go nighter because I think Knier is

742
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 5: a surefire major league starter. Maybe the variance between like

743
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 5: a three, which would be probably like the ceiling, and

744
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 5: a five, which is more likely it is what caps him.

745
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 5: But I think he would be like a floor base

746
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 5: like he could make it up here.

747
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 2: Just based on.

748
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 3: That, I would say I agree that I think Gerrar

749
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 3: really stands out in that kind of next chunk of guys.

750
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 3: I would probably put him in like a solid ninth

751
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 3: right now. But I think if you want to put

752
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 3: another guy in that conversation based on upside, it's hard

753
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 3: not to bring up Cameron Maisener, because if you want

754
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 3: to take the really optimistic view with him, he should

755
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 3: probably be even ahead of Monte Harrison. Obviously, the questions

756
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 3: about the hit tool with Meisner are a pretty glaring

757
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 3: Those are definitely legitimate, But at the end of the day,

758
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 3: it's a six to four frame with plus power and

759
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 3: speed could potentially even stick in center field long term.

760
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 3: That's a serious prospect. Most people seem to be a

761
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 3: little further down on the hit tool for now, but

762
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 3: I think a lot of the kinks there could get

763
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 3: worked out, and I think you can make a strong

764
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 3: case for top ten with him even right now.

765
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, talking about Meisner, he was his numbers last year

766
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 2: in thirty four games in Clinton were pretty good. He

767
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: didn't hit for as much power as you'd expect, but

768
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: he had a thirteen point three walk percentage and only

769
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 2: a twenty two point two k percentage, which for a

770
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: guy who the worry is the hit tool, like, those

771
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 2: are some pretty good numbers and he hit two seventy six,

772
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 2: you know. He The concern was how he pared against

773
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: SEC pitching, and I think we all kind of like

774
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 2: said that SEC. The competition is around somewhere in between

775
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: that low A to high A level. So I think

776
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: we'll kind of make our real judgment on Meisner when

777
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: he plays in Jupiter, which I would probably expect him

778
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: to this year. I'd probably expect that outfield to start

779
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: with Bidet and Meisner and maybe Gerrar. But yeah, I mean,

780
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,439
Speaker 2: those are good numbers for a guy that if you're

781
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 2: you know that you're worried about the hit tool. Fo Yeah,

782
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 2: I'd like to see him hit for a little more power.

783
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 2: He only put the ball over the fence twice in

784
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 2: thirty four games, and his slugg in percentage was three

785
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 2: seventy three. But he's a guy that kind of gets

786
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 2: slept on for whatever reason. I mean, he fell, you

787
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: know to the second what was it the competitive balance

788
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 2: or the second round, whatever it was. But you know

789
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 2: a lot of guys said, a lot of people said

790
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: that he might have had the best tools in the

791
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: draft last year. So this is a real legitimate, you know,

792
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 2: high end prospect that you're talking about, and we're talking

793
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 2: about him debating whether he's in the second or third

794
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 2: tier of Marlon's prospects. So you know, the riches are

795
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 2: legit right now. And and I think that Meisner if

796
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: he comes out and hits the way he can and

797
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: the way you know, Spencer, you know, I know you're

798
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 2: really high on him, the way that a person that

799
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 2: is really high on him would expect him to. I

800
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: think we could be talking about him for sure, with

801
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 2: the likes of Brax and Lewan and and Monte if

802
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 2: he's not already in the in the majors, come you know,

803
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: a couple months in the season.

804
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like you said, his SEC performance was

805
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 3: really weak, but you go back to around March of

806
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 3: last year, he was dominating non conference competition, really got

807
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 3: off to a huge start in NCAA play, and then

808
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 3: once the calendar turned, like at that point he was

809
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 3: being talked about as a top ten potentially top five pick.

810
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 3: I mean, like him he and Hunter Bishop ended up

811
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 3: going in the top ten. We're kind of talking to town,

812
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 3: these two big major program center fielders who were just

813
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 3: hitting the cover off the ball and stealing bases. But

814
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 3: once he got into conference play, he hit something like

815
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 3: one seventy five with an OBP of two point fifty

816
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: or something like that, and ended up falling all the

817
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 3: way to around pick sixty. But I mean, if you

818
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 3: want to take the view of he had some temporary

819
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 3: mechanical issues that can be worked out, and I think

820
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 3: there's merit to that view. The outlook there is still

821
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 3: incredibly bright.

822
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 5: I think with Meisner, like the exciting thing about him

823
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 5: is you have a guy like James Rosen who comes

824
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 5: into the system and he's going to preach a more aggressive,

825
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 5: go get your pitch approach, and you have a guy

826
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 5: like Meisner who's kind of like Isan Diaz, who's he's

827
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 5: probably a little too passive at the plate, and right

828
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 5: now it's not I don't think it's showing in his

829
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 5: stats as much because the command in lower level ball

830
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 5: isn't as great. But I think when he starts to

831
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 5: work with a guy like James Robson and that offensive

832
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 5: coordinator role where he kind of sets up the philosophy

833
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 5: for the system, I think he'll really benefit from that.

834
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 5: And yeah, I could see him flying through this list,

835
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 5: Like I mean, he does have the physical tools to

836
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 5: match up with anyone on the list. Right now, we.

837
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: Already mentioned the top five and how we have them sorted.

838
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: This is what I got from six through twelve, moving

839
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: Leywan up to six. Monte at seven will keep Bracts

840
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: and Trevor Rodgers paired together at eight and nine, Meisner

841
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: up to ten, up to eleven, and then Nier just

842
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 1: down to twelve. Simply because of some of the higher

843
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: ceilings that you get from guys like Meisner and Gerar.

844
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 1: We can live with that number six through twelve order,

845
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: or is there anything that you're really screaming about should

846
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: be switched up?

847
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 3: I like you.

848
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: I like you.

849
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 3: I would quickly make a proposal to nominate Connor Scott

850
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 3: for the twelve spot. But I'm in agreement with that list.

851
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 2: I like Nider as well, right.

852
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: Well, I mean Scott's obviously in this next group that

853
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: will go to now, including Jose Devers, who is only

854
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: twenty years old. He never ages, he's only twenty years

855
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: old still, and he still looks like he's twelve years old.

856
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: Connor Scott, who of course was their first round pick

857
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, and also George Guzman who arrived with

858
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: Jose Devers in that Stanton trade a couple of years ago,

859
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: and another gem of the twenty nineteen draft class, outfielder

860
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: Payden Verdict. All these guys were what Devers was twelve

861
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: on the last list and Scott was fourteen, Guzman was fifteen,

862
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: Verdict was sixteen. I have a feeling we want to

863
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: talk about verdicts right because.

864
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 2: They said I'm just laughing. I'm just laughing right now

865
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 2: at the fact that we're talking about neither Devers and

866
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: Verdick and Scott at twelve or thirteen. You know, we're

867
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: debating which one of these guys should be twelve and thirteen.

868
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: I mean, it is an unprecedented time in the Marlins

869
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 2: organization right now. I cannot say it enough. And I'm

870
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 2: not just trying to play home or hype man man

871
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 2: right here. It is truly exceptional. How the fact that,

872
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 2: like I started laughing when you mentioned Jose Devers' name

873
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: because I just completely forgot he existed. I do that

874
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 2: all the time. And then I look at and then

875
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 2: I look at you know, prospect lists, and I'm like,

876
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 2: holy shit, Devers is at twelve, Devs is at thirteen,

877
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like, this is a really

878
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 2: good prospect who has put up ops is over seven

879
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 2: hundred as what's supposed to be a glove for shortstop

880
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 2: at eighteen and nineteen years old in high A and

881
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 2: we're talking about him as being a top you know,

882
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 2: twelve to fifteen prospect in the Marlands organization. It's exceptional.

883
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable what the Marlins are putting together right now.

884
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 2: It really is.

885
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

886
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 5: I think the crazy part is you look at the

887
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 5: top ten that we set up. Maybe with the exception

888
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 5: of Meisner, there's a little little variance there, but you

889
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 5: could legitimately say those are suarefire major leaguers. Like, that's

890
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 5: ten major leaguers. And when you when you look at

891
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 5: prospect lists, it's easy.

892
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 2: To go one through.

893
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 5: Thirty and dream about all of them, but you got

894
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 5: to be realistic and say, like, listen, like some of

895
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 5: these just might not work, they can flame out, but

896
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 5: this is a strong top ten. And if they produce

897
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 5: ten major leaguers out of this list, like that's exceptional.

898
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, talking I mean, but talking about the guys we

899
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 4: just talked about in this group. We're in the middle

900
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 4: group of this list, and everybody's still getting so excited

901
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 4: about our twelve, thirteenth through sixteenth prospects. This is where

902
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:17,919
Speaker 4: the part of our group that doesn't get enough love.

903
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 4: I think nationally with groups, we're known to have a

904
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 4: high end vary in top thirty prospects, but this solid,

905
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 4: this middle group could be extremely solid as well. When

906
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 4: talking about Connor Scott, seeing in the spring, him and

907
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 4: Came and Meiser look identical now in size, which kind

908
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 4: of scares me. I mean, Scott's been growing since he's

909
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,439
Speaker 4: gotten the system. He looks bigger, his legs are being

910
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 4: more incorporated in his swing, which is everybody's sights to see.

911
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 4: So it's been nice to see that. Talking about George Guzman,

912
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 4: who had a rough ending to a spring before we

913
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 4: got cut short, but he's got one hundred mile an

914
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 4: hour fastball with elite reliever potential, could even be a starter.

915
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 4: I mean, these are big leaders and those two guys

916
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 4: with decent potent. I don't really want to talk about

917
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 4: Peyton Verdick here because we all know my thoughts on

918
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 4: Peyton Verdick.

919
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 2: I can go on for this whole conference, but.

920
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 4: I think he's going to be an all leaguer as well.

921
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 4: He's got right field potential, He's got huge off fields potential.

922
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 4: And then I forget how devers excuse me, that's the

923
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 4: one I want to talk about. When I got on

924
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 4: the mic here and I completely forgot. But Jose Devers

925
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 4: was an All Star in a ball. He was an

926
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 4: All Star at a h at eighteen, nineteen years old.

927
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,720
Speaker 4: He hits the ball. He came into this spring looking bigger.

928
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 4: He put on maybe ten to fifteen pounds. He's still

929
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,240
Speaker 4: a string being, but at one hundred and seventy pounds

930
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 4: at six foot, he's starting to look like a baseball

931
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 4: player finally instead of a kid wearing a big league uniform.

932
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 4: He's ready to come out this year. I'm sure he's

933
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 4: going to start the year and Jupiter again, and he's

934
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 4: going to be in front of extremely strong lineup. So

935
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 4: he's a guy who still has the potential to be

936
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 4: a top one hundred prospect. I mean, like I said,

937
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 4: he doesn't age still going to be twenty years old

938
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 4: this year in high ball when he's still going to

939
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 4: be probably one of the ten or fifteen youngest guys

940
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 4: in the league. You know, So is the high potential

941
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 4: and all these guys is so exciting to talk about,

942
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 4: and I'm glad, I'm glad we're in the middle of

943
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 4: this list getting dis excited.

944
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 3: Yeah.

945
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: The thing with definitely ever is he has to play

946
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: games at some point. That's the thing with him is

947
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: his first full season in the organization. Twenty eighteen he

948
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: was with that was at the time of they had

949
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: Greensboro affiliate, and he really opened his eyes up there

950
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: and got a surprising promotion up to Jupiter. And almost

951
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: as soon as he got to Jupiter the first time

952
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, got injured, ended up missing the rest

953
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: of the season. Twenty nineteen, he got off to that

954
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: even better start. I mean, he had that batting average

955
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: in the mid three hundreds for like most of April,

956
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: and had one minor injury, came back from that and

957
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: then missed more significant amount of time with I believe

958
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: it was that fore arm strain that he had. He

959
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 1: missed a couple of months as a position player with

960
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: a forearm strain, which is, you know, typically an issue

961
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: you would expect from a pitcher. And even though he

962
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: continues to add weight, obviously undersized relative to even the

963
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: typical shortstop, and of course that in game power hasn't

964
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: been there at all. Still hasn't hit a home run

965
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: since arriving in the Marlins organization. But of course, you know,

966
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: the team feels very confident in him, because they ended

967
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: up actually sending him out to the Fall League along

968
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: with some of the other guys who've already touched on.

969
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: He was one of the younger guys that participated in

970
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: the Fall League, and then he got to the Fall

971
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: League and he also got hurt again. I think he

972
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: had a toe injury that ended up missing almost two

973
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: weeks at the Fall League. So that's like my big

974
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:33,919
Speaker 1: question with him is that, yeah, he just hasn't played.

975
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 2: Very often, and that's a legit that's a legit concern.

976
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 2: You know, injury concerns and durability. They you know, ruined guys.

977
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 2: You know, in all in every sport, you know, there

978
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 2: are guys that could be exceptional and just can't shake

979
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 2: the injury. But but when he's on the field, he

980
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 2: just hits. I mean that's all he does. He hit

981
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 2: in thirty three games last year in Jupiter, he hit

982
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 2: three twenty five. He had a one to twenty six

983
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 2: weighted runs, create a plus and put together a seven

984
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 2: forty nine OPS and didn't hit a whole run like

985
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 2: so his slugging percentage was three sixty five and he's

986
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 2: putting up pretty good numbers at nineteen years old. It's

987
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 2: it's really exceptional. And then you know he's got a

988
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 2: good approach. He doesn't strike out a lot. He's never

989
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 2: really struck out except in rookie ball. He struck out

990
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 2: at a really high rate when he was in the

991
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 2: that was in the Yankees organization, But since getting to

992
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 2: the Marlins organization, he's basically struck out around fifteen percent,

993
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 2: which is really good in this day and age. So

994
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 2: he's just a solid hitter and he just puts he

995
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 2: puts the ball in play and he gets on base.

996
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 2: And that's all you can really ask for with a

997
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 2: guy with that speed and base running ability. You imagine

998
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 2: he's going to be a table setter one day if

999
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 2: if all goes according to plan. And if your table

1000
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 2: setter can hit three hundred, you're doing pretty good. So

1001
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 2: and like I said, and he's got a great glove,

1002
00:53:58,080 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 2: And like I said, we're talking about him as you know,

1003
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 2: twelve and thirteen. So he's a guy that just kind

1004
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 2: of moves down into this like second layer and the

1005
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 2: second wave of talent that will eventually see hopefully come

1006
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 2: up through the majors. And it's all because of how

1007
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 2: much talent. It's not because of him, it's all because

1008
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 2: of how much talent is above him. That's the same

1009
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 2: with Scott and with Verdict is that they're just kind

1010
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 2: of blocked right now. But if they weren't, they would

1011
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 2: be some of the higher touted prospects in the system.

1012
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,439
Speaker 2: So it's pretty amazing. It's pretty amazing what we've got

1013
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 2: here when you start looking down the list and you

1014
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 2: start looking at the second and third wave of guys

1015
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 2: that will eventually be coming up into the Moorlands system.

1016
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, just to play counterpoint a little bit here, there's

1017
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 8: things that I really like about Devers, Like when I

1018
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 8: first started watching him, immediately, you know, there are not

1019
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 8: a lot of teenagers that have his kind of hitting

1020
00:54:58,400 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 8: skills and feel for contact.

1021
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 3: I think it's a plus hit tool all the way.

1022
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 3: But the more I've kind of focused in on him,

1023
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 3: I have come to just really question the tools and

1024
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 3: I have a hard time coming up with a projection

1025
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 3: that isn't utility infielder. I don't think he's gonna be

1026
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 3: like a singles hitter kind of guy. I think there'll

1027
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 3: be line drive contact, there'll be double's power, there'll be

1028
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 3: probably ten to fifteen home run kind of power. But

1029
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that he's a shortstop and I don't

1030
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 3: think he really impacts the game with his speed. It's

1031
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 3: not a big arm. I think when you look at

1032
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 3: the other middle infielders in this kind of range in

1033
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 3: the system, Nunez, Solace, Johnson, all I think have better

1034
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 3: overall tools than Devors, and I think he's more of

1035
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 3: a top of the lineup second, primary second baseman who

1036
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 3: can cover them all both positions.

1037
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,399
Speaker 2: That's fair. I think that's really fair because I think

1038
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 2: so too.

1039
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 1: I mean, you did see in the Fall League he

1040
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: I mean this is more of a byproduct of being

1041
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: alongside other elite talent that he got pushed off of

1042
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: shortstop entirely during the Fall League and only got reps

1043
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 1: at second base. He went into spring training and I

1044
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: lead the majority of those appearances in the spring were

1045
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: also at seconds. And I think he's going to be

1046
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: a great second basement.

1047
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, the big.

1048
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 1: Question is whether or not he's six at shortstop at all.

1049
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: And some of that, as we transition to the next

1050
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 1: few names, is about how he, you know, playing alongside

1051
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 1: similar aged players in the Marlin system that might be

1052
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 1: more talented defensive shortstops, one of those being you mentioned

1053
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: it in the seam Nunez, who was part of that

1054
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen draft class. Let's see, he played at the

1055
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: end of the year they moved him up to Batavia,

1056
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: but before that spent most of the year in the

1057
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:57,760
Speaker 1: Gulf Coast League. And he's a guy that defensively really

1058
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: lights it up just by watching him play, and whose

1059
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 1: speed really translates more towards game action than Devers has.

1060
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: To this point, I think Nunia has led the entire

1061
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: GCL in stolen bases, like had one about every other game.

1062
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: But along with him, wanted to mention Jordan Hollway, a

1063
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: guy that you could kind of pair with George Guzman

1064
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: and that he has that amazing fastball and a whiteout

1065
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: breaking ball, but there's that big reliever risk with him

1066
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: and some of the questions about exactly what role he's

1067
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: going to have moving forward. And two other guys I

1068
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: wanted to throw it at the same time. In our

1069
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: previous iteration of the list, we put Victor Victor Mesa

1070
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: ahead of Victor Mesa Junior. That's a decision that I

1071
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: kind of like waffled on a little bit because it

1072
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: felt a little bold to try to put junior ahead

1073
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: of the older one. But as more and more of

1074
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty preseason list came out, and those evaluators

1075
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: were taking step of leap frogging Victor Masa Junior over

1076
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: Victor Victor. I think that's another decision we want to

1077
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: look at here. So with those four names, just throwing

1078
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: them all out at the same time, Nunia's Holloway and

1079
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: both of the Mesa brothers, what are our expectations for

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00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: what they're going to do in the system moving forward.

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00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go I'm gonna go negative here. I'm going

1082
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 2: to follow the train that Spencer was on with Devers,

1083
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna start with Holloway. I have a lot

1084
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 2: of concerns about Jordan Holloway. He's twenty three years old

1085
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 2: and he hasn't pitched above high ah, And I'm just

1086
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 2: gonna be straight right here. He was pretty terrible last year.

1087
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 2: His control is a real concern. You're right.

1088
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: He had a lot of good luck on balls and

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00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: play early in the year and he was keeping the

1090
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: walks kind of manageable.

1091
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 2: Then in the middle of the year this kind of

1092
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 2: blew up for him. Yeah, he did have like a

1093
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 2: You're right, he did have a really nice start, and

1094
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 2: there were some inconsistent results. There were some really good

1095
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 2: starts and there were some really bad starts, but the

1096
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 2: bad starts kind of stood out to me. Uh and

1097
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 2: it he did the same thing that George Guzman did,

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00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 2: where he would just kind of like blow up like

1099
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 2: out of nowhere. Like he would be having, you know,

1100
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 2: a couple good innings and kind of keeping things quiet,

1101
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, it would just go

1102
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 2: horribly wrong and he'd let up, you know, four hits

1103
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 2: and three walks and but you know, everybody would come

1104
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 2: around to score kind of things. So there are there

1105
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 2: are I have some real concerns about Jordan oliway right now,

1106
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie to you. And with the way

1107
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 2: that some of these other prospects have been, you know,

1108
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 2: some of these other pitching prospects have been dealing. And

1109
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,959
Speaker 2: then you got guys like Fitterer who jumped him on

1110
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 2: the MLB uh list and then got on like like

1111
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 2: Mason Junior, like Osiris. I'm really high on Humbert and

1112
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 2: ma personally, all of a sudden, he kind of keeps

1113
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 2: trickling down this list for me, and I don't see

1114
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 2: him as a starter at all. I think the Marlins

1115
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 2: Guzman's gonna try and do whatever he can to be

1116
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 2: a starter, and I respect him for that, and I

1117
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 2: think the Marlins should try and let him do whatever

1118
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 2: they can and then worst comes the worst. That he's

1119
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 2: an elite closer, I think. But I think there's nothing

1120
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 2: wrong with moving Holloway to the bullpen now and just

1121
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 2: being like, buddy, you're gonna be our seventh or eighth

1122
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 2: inning guy, and you're just gonna mow people down and

1123
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 2: lay the way for whoever is closing. And I'm I

1124
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 2: think one that can escal that can speed up his

1125
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 2: development process. I think that can get him to the

1126
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 2: bigs faster. And at twenty three years old, it's like,

1127
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 2: all right, buddy, like, you know, let's get this thing going.

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Speaker 2: So I hate to kind of hock on Jordan like that,

1129
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 2: but you know, and obviously I hope it turns out

1130
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 2: because he's got great stuff. He's got electric stuff. He

1131
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 2: can light up the radar gun, so you hope that

1132
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:11,479
Speaker 2: he can turn into a starter. But I have real

1133
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 2: concerns about him, and I would kind of drop him

1134
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 2: out of the tier that includes guys like na Seem

1135
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 2: and Solace and Mason junior and and even you know,

1136
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 2: at this point, like he's one spot behind Guzman, and

1137
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 2: I would definitely put a bigger discrepancy between them two.

1138
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 2: But I hope he can put it together. But I'm

1139
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 2: definitely kind of I'm kind of low on him right now.

1140
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 5: On Holloway, I think you do have to give some

1141
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 5: credit to him in the sense that he was coming

1142
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 5: back from Tommy John surgery, so there is that feel

1143
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 5: that he's lacked that he's got to build up. Definitely,

1144
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 5: his command breaking down throughout the year is not something

1145
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 5: you want to see, but I would rank I think

1146
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 5: I would rank him over Guzman right now because I

1147
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 5: think Guzman has a better chance of being a starting pitcher,

1148
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 5: but I think Holloway has a higher floor as a

1149
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 5: relief pitcher. I think his stuff is way better than Guzman's.

1150
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 5: Guzman's secondary stuff like horrendous and spring training in my opinion,

1151
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 5: and his command just wasn't that great either. So I

1152
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 5: have Holloway above Guzman right now. I think that breaking

1153
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 5: ball of his is very good and he's going to

1154
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 5: have a lot of success in the bullpen. So and yeah,

1155
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 5: the whole Tommy John thing, you have to give some

1156
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 5: like you have to note that not everyone can come

1157
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 5: back like Brax and Garrett and just continue to throw

1158
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 5: a ton of strikes. And I have to say with

1159
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 5: the mesa brothers, I wasn't in agreeance with this at first,

1160
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 5: but it's always been this thing talking with people from Cuba,

1161
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 5: every time I would mention them, they would always tell

1162
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 5: me that the younger brother, which is Junior, was gonna

1163
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 5: be better than Victor Victor. And I mean it wasn't

1164
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 5: something that I was like, yeah, like these guys are

1165
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 5: like like students of the game, Like they're just people

1166
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 5: who watch baseball in Cuba, and they would just tell

1167
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 5: me these things. Victor Victor was kind of like the

1168
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 5: same guy in Cuba, just a slap hitter, and for

1169
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 5: whatever reason, people were tremendously excited about the younger brother.

1170
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 5: And it's happening here too. So I think it's very

1171
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 5: legit to say that Mason Junior has totally jumped Victor Victor.

1172
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 5: But I still think Victor Victor should get credit for

1173
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 5: being the defender that he is in center field, and

1174
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 5: he is a major League baseball player, whether it's an

1175
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 5: eventu role where he's just playing like in defensive situations

1176
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 5: or getting at bats every once in a while. That

1177
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 5: obviously not something you want from a five million dollar signing.

1178
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 5: But he's still a major leaguer, so give him credit there.

1179
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 5: But Mason Jr. Has totally jumped in older brother.

1180
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 3: On the pitchers. I would say that I see it

1181
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 3: a little bit differently for me, Holloway, I do think

1182
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 3: that there's still like that little glimmer of hope for

1183
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 3: him as a starter if you want to pursue that. Obviously,

1184
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:22,439
Speaker 3: the clock is taking in terms of forty man decisions

1185
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 3: and things of that nature with a guy like him

1186
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 3: who's spent time on the shelf is already getting older.

1187
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:31,479
Speaker 3: But when you see him when everything's working, I think

1188
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 3: he does show you starter trades. He has had a

1189
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 3: decent command in bursts in the past, and he has

1190
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 3: that more complete starter's arsenal. Like Lelis mentioned, for me,

1191
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 3: I cannot see any outcome in which Guzman is a

1192
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 3: starting pitcher. I think he's pretty much purely a fastball.

1193
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 3: The field is spin it. I have not seen personally

1194
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,959
Speaker 3: in my looks at him, and I I don't think

1195
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 3: that the command is all that outstanding either. I think

1196
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 3: he's a middle reliever who's pretty much just going to

1197
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 3: try to blow it by people, I would have him

1198
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 3: a lot further down on the list. And I think

1199
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 3: when you're talking about these guys like Guzman in Holloway

1200
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 3: Holloway being more more likely than not certainly a reliever

1201
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 3: than a starter in Guzman, who I personally am evaluating

1202
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 3: purely as a reliever, I would ask like, why aren't

1203
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 3: we already talking about Alex Gacia, Because I think if

1204
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 3: you're looking at a pure reliever, he's demonstrated that barring

1205
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 3: his stuff falling off a cliff for one reason or another,

1206
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 3: he's going to be a lights out relief auction in

1207
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 3: the big leagues. So I think that I would personally

1208
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 3: rank him ahead of somebody like Guzman Holloway, I can

1209
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 3: I can see the case that you keep him in

1210
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 3: the rotation for a little bit longer, and then also

1211
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 3: at Fitter is the guy who stood out to me

1212
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 3: a lot I think has a good amount of starter traits.

1213
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 3: I would probably rank him ahead of his mind and

1214
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 3: maybe even Holloway, and I would have certainly Sharp in

1215
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 3: that same kind of vicinity as well, because I think

1216
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 3: he's a pretty high probability options either a longer leave

1217
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 3: or number five starter.

1218
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 5: I was pretty excited to talk about Fitter lately, I

1219
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 5: mean later on, so I'll just get it over with now.

1220
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 5: I saw him in Jupiter throwing in the backfield. Stuff

1221
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 5: is great. Like, we're talking about a guy that, like,

1222
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 5: he spins it well, he's got a curveball, his changeup

1223
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 5: moved very well, he throws it for strikes, and he's

1224
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 5: got the fastball command that obviously as a young starter,

1225
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 5: like it's exceptional now and he's it's going to have

1226
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,919
Speaker 5: to improve over time to keep up with the rest

1227
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 5: of his competition. But I really liked what I saw.

1228
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 5: It's three pitches that all profile as major league like

1229
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 5: at least major league average, and some will be plus eventually.

1230
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 5: I think that curve ball is going to be great,

1231
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 5: And I mean it's hard to ignore the comps that

1232
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 5: I've read out there, kind of like a Kyle Hendricks

1233
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 5: but with a better fastball, you know. I like to

1234
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 5: see that and then to go to the backfield and

1235
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 5: really see it in action. I think there's some truth

1236
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 5: to that. And yeah, Evan Fitter is a guy we

1237
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 5: need to see more in my opinion, to like really

1238
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 5: throw them up this list, but they the Marlins really

1239
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 5: got to steal there guy they no one really thought

1240
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 5: would sign with anyone, and they were able to snag him.

1241
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 5: And I think the fifth round so exceptional draft pick,

1242
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 5: and I think Marlins fans are going to be all

1243
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 5: over him when the season.

1244
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to part one of our Fish

1245
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 1: Stripe's Top thirty List Update. Spencer and Ian Ethan Lewis

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01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 1: and I are back in part two, next up in

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01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 1: your podcast feed. Give that listen if you want to

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01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 1: hear how the rest of the list out and we

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01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 1: determine everyone from number one to thirty, plus a few

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01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: honorable mentions. Enjoy that, go over and click over to

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Speaker 1: the next episode. Thanks and go fish