Speaker 1: We're not just talking about self defense here. We're talking
Speaker 1: about at the stake of your wife's life. An intruder
Speaker 1: breaks into your house and he is going to kill
Speaker 1: members of your family. Well, what's up, everybody? Welcome to
Speaker 1: the podcast. A special episode for me, maybe special episode
Speaker 1: for you two. I don't know, absolutely so, everybody. This
Speaker 1: is Marv miller, a, a Mennonite pastor. But that's really
Speaker 1: irrelevant compared to what I'm about to say next. Long
Speaker 1: time listener to the podcast, first listener to the podcast
Speaker 1: turned guest.
Speaker 2: I should pat myself on the back.
Speaker 1: That's how literally how we met was through this podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you emailed the podcast. That's what we do here. I
Speaker 1: just read your emails and you were one of the emails,
Speaker 1: and it was very intriguing to me. I'm not exactly
Speaker 1: sure it wasn't that it was more special than other emails,
Speaker 1: but something in my spirit says, reply to this guy.
Speaker 1: And that reply. We can't remember if it was two
Speaker 1: or three years ago you emailed, but that reply led
Speaker 1: to a brotherhood between you and I, a friendship that
Speaker 1: has grown just from one email and from my reply.
Speaker 1: That led to a few more replies that led to
Speaker 1: a phone call between us. You live in South Carolina
Speaker 1: with your family. I live in Texas. We then met
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh for a concert of mine.
Speaker 2: Yes, just last September.
Speaker 1: Last September, and then there was a conference, a pastor's
Speaker 1: conference in Austin, and I said, hey, Marv, what about
Speaker 1: you come to this pastor's conference and come stay with
Speaker 1: us in the barn. So that's literally what you've been
Speaker 1: doing the last three or four days is staying here
Speaker 1: at the house. And now you're on the podcast the
Speaker 1: same place, full circle where we first met. I think
Speaker 1: it's just a it's a fascinating story just for me
Speaker 1: what this podcast has done in the friendship that like,
Speaker 1: if if nothing else mattered on this podcast, I got
Speaker 1: a great friend out of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, it's it's really an honor and it feels
Speaker 2: so undeserving to actually be here. I was talking with
Speaker 2: my wife the other day and it just feels like
Speaker 2: we're walking on holy ground here because, like she said,
Speaker 2: there's no reason on earth that we should be here,
Speaker 2: and the likelihood of Granger reaching out, like if you're
Speaker 2: reaching out to an email that I sent, you know
Speaker 2: what caught your attention and why did you decide to
Speaker 2: reach out to me, and I just love the thought
Speaker 2: that are you know what I wrote. I wrote a
Speaker 2: little bit of my testimony, and somehow our spirits connected
Speaker 2: in that email. And definitely our friendship was built off
Speaker 2: of our spiritual connection. And that's we're not really friends
Speaker 2: as much as we're brothers. True and uh and so
Speaker 2: to actually be able to well, when I started listening
Speaker 2: to your podcast, I connected with your perspective. It resonated
Speaker 2: with me when I when I listened and I had
Speaker 2: first heard your music, and then when I started actually
Speaker 2: uh listening to the podcast, which I I'm not sure
Speaker 2: at what point I found out you actually had a podcast,
Speaker 2: I want to start listening to it. I knew right
Speaker 2: away that your life was changed and you had found
Speaker 2: what you're looking for. And of course I wasn't always
Speaker 2: making the connection between what you were saying in your
Speaker 2: podcast and some of the music, and that that was
Speaker 2: the curious question. That's why I emailed you.
Speaker 1: Yeah you want me to tell them, because yeah, you do,
Speaker 1: because they might be thinking, what in the world did
Speaker 1: he say? In an E that made Granger actually reply
Speaker 1: because I never ever reply.
Speaker 3: I just instead put him in the queue.
Speaker 1: By the way, that email is podcast at grangersmith dot com.
Speaker 1: You email and we answer your questions. That's what the
Speaker 1: format is. You emailed, and I, instead of putting it
Speaker 1: in the queue to read it on the podcast, I
Speaker 1: felt compelled to reply. People might be thinking, what was it? Well,
Speaker 1: it was part of your testimony. But then the end
Speaker 1: was what will you do? I'm paraphrasing, what will you
Speaker 1: do with Earl Dibbles Junior? And how will that how
Speaker 1: will that character still bring people to the truth?
Speaker 2: Yes, like, how do you connect Earl Dibbles with your faith?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And at the time when you emailed, I already knew
Speaker 1: that I was going to Lord willing leave touring, that
Speaker 1: things were going to change for me, and you are
Speaker 1: almost eluding it. Hey, you know that the road you're on,
Speaker 1: you know where this is headed. If you take, if
Speaker 1: you take what you believe Granger to its fullest extent,
Speaker 1: you're going to start leaving the secular life behind.
Speaker 2: Yes, you knew that in a way, Yes, yes, I did.
Speaker 2: I mean that's exactly so it's.
Speaker 1: Either that or you don't really believe what you're saying,
Speaker 1: do you.
Speaker 2: I was so curious how you're going to make the connection,
Speaker 2: because I was thinking, I've heard you talk enough. I
Speaker 2: know you've had to have thought about this, and because
Speaker 2: I knew at that point, well, you weren't just living
Speaker 2: two different lives. I knew you had made a connection somehow.
Speaker 2: There was some reason that you were singing the songs
Speaker 2: you were singing, but then also sharing the faith you
Speaker 2: were sharing. And not every song, of course, there was
Speaker 2: a few that caught my attention, and I think the
Speaker 2: first one that really made me start thinking, I need
Speaker 2: to ask him a question. And I never told you this,
Speaker 2: but was the song if You're Happy in if your
Speaker 2: Country and you know it raised a beer? Yeah, And
Speaker 2: that was a children's song that I knew growing up,
Speaker 2: If You're happy and you know it clap your hands.
Speaker 2: And then this was like a rewritten song, and so
Speaker 2: so I thought, now, how does he connect that with
Speaker 2: his with what I hear you say on the podcast.
Speaker 2: And that's what really made me start thinking about the question.
Speaker 2: Not that well, I'm I'm from the men Inite culture,
Speaker 2: and so that just caught my attention. That song that
Speaker 2: you'd taken a children's song and rewrote it into a
Speaker 2: country song like that, I knew there was a connection somehow,
Speaker 2: so I was looking forward to hearing you explain it
Speaker 2: when you actually emailed back and said, I'm trying to
Speaker 2: remember exactly what your words were. He said, a lot
Speaker 2: will be changing for me in the next ten to
Speaker 2: twelve months, and I don't think Earl will be making
Speaker 2: the journey with me. I think that's what she said.
Speaker 2: It took me off guard. I expected to hear some
Speaker 2: kind of a response of well, this is the reason
Speaker 2: I sing this and then I say this, and not
Speaker 2: everybody may say there was a conflict or anything. It
Speaker 2: was just sure. It was just that question that your
Speaker 2: answer that was just well I'm actually changing directtions here
Speaker 2: was so authentic and so honest and just it really
Speaker 2: caught me off guard. And then I knew you were
Speaker 2: for real when you responded what you did that like
Speaker 2: took all the doubtside of my mind. So then after that,
Speaker 2: listening to your podcast is where I It's like your
Speaker 2: perspective connected with me, and I just built a trust
Speaker 2: off of the perspective. You know, I may have given
Speaker 2: different answers different times as a as a pastor. I
Speaker 2: love listening to your podcast because it I run those
Speaker 2: questions and then your answers through my head all the time.
Speaker 2: You know, when when I do counseling, when we're meeting
Speaker 2: with young couples or young people, you know, we're essentially
Speaker 2: sitting across the campfire from people in person. We have
Speaker 2: them in our living room a lot, and those questions
Speaker 2: have really given me years worth of experience in just knowing, oh,
Speaker 2: this is the direction that would be good to go
Speaker 2: with a question like this, So what does this really
Speaker 2: help me?
Speaker 3: What is this room?
Speaker 1: The perspective of sitting in this chair looking out instead
Speaker 1: of looking from the camera in how does that perspective
Speaker 1: for you?
Speaker 3: What is that like?
Speaker 2: Well, I had no idea what to expect, and I'm
Speaker 2: not familiar with talking on a podcast, especially not with
Speaker 2: like a video podcast, and.
Speaker 3: So I weird, looks great on video.
Speaker 2: We'll wait, We'll have to wait and make that call.
Speaker 2: But so so, sitting here, it feels surreal, really it does.
Speaker 2: But it's in another way, it feels just like you
Speaker 2: and I are having a conversation. It really does. It's
Speaker 2: a it's a nice atmosphere you have here and I'm
Speaker 2: looking forward to.
Speaker 1: And that's so cool, And you're speaking for all the
Speaker 1: people that have listened as long as you have for
Speaker 1: several years, that have wondered what it might be like
Speaker 1: sitting in that chair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's amazing. It actually feels good so far.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not going just because you're here. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to change the format of what we do. We're
Speaker 1: still going to answer questions. And I think it would
Speaker 1: be interesting because we're both brothers in Christ. But we
Speaker 1: do come from different cultures, yes, quite different, And just
Speaker 1: like a lot of people that are listening right now
Speaker 1: come from different cultures, and that's okay, and so I
Speaker 1: think a different culture will probably prompt a different answer.
Speaker 1: Before we get started, I will say something ironic about
Speaker 1: this conversation today is that Earl Dibbles actually filmed video
Speaker 1: this morning.
Speaker 3: So Earl is not dead. He filmed the.
Speaker 1: Video because there is a girl at our office at
Speaker 1: the Yegee Farm that has a cyber truck, the Tesla truck,
Speaker 1: and so we filmed Earl's reaction to a Tesla truck
Speaker 1: and what he thinks about it.
Speaker 2: That's awesome, But the Earl these days is different. I
Speaker 2: didn't think Earl should be killed.
Speaker 3: He's not dead.
Speaker 2: How did I say he should be converted, not condemned.
Speaker 3: He should be verded. I could do it, so.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: The first question, by the way, if I'll say it again,
Speaker 1: the email is podcast at grangersmith dot com, and you're
Speaker 1: you're emailing my producer ant Man, who is going to
Speaker 1: put your question in Q. So we ask just don't
Speaker 1: send the same question a bunch for ant Man's sake,
Speaker 1: and don't send it longer than about a phone length,
Speaker 1: because it makes it harder to read in this in
Speaker 1: this setting. The first question and I already I've already
Speaker 1: scanned it because I could see it right now, and
Speaker 1: this is already going to be interesting with a mind
Speaker 1: night pastor. It comes from Caden. It says, Hey, Granger,
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on concealed Carrie self defense? Is
Speaker 1: it okay to kill someone if it saves someone else's life.
Speaker 1: I know this is a deep question, and I'm just
Speaker 1: curious what your thoughts are. I enjoy your music and
Speaker 1: your podcast. Thanks Caden Anderson from Illinois.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 3: Uh, great way to start.
Speaker 1: I'm really interested in this because in the mind of
Speaker 1: night culture, you.
Speaker 3: You follow the.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say law, you follow the.
Speaker 2: Teaching, teaching of.
Speaker 3: Non resistance.
Speaker 1: Is that what it's called, that of non resistance, and
Speaker 1: that's that's literally taking the Gospel to the fullest extent
Speaker 1: of believing Jesus when he says, love your enemies, turn
Speaker 1: the other cheek. So I'll start with you, Marv. What
Speaker 1: are your thoughts. Of course, we're not just talking about
Speaker 1: self defense here. We're talking about at the stake of
Speaker 1: your wife's life, an intruder breaks into your house and
Speaker 1: he is going to kill members of your family. I
Speaker 1: would love to hear your answer on that.
Speaker 2: So the the worst case scenario is something that is
Speaker 2: always given out as an example. Sure, so this is
Speaker 2: a worst case scenario, and let me just go ahead.
Speaker 1: Very very rare for this scenario to happen. If if
Speaker 1: once in a lifetime, that's one in a thousand families.
Speaker 1: I don't personally know anyone that this has actually happened to,
Speaker 1: but you're right, we throw the exception out.
Speaker 3: Is what do you do here?
Speaker 1: So I'm not trying to trap you, no gotcha or
Speaker 1: just I'm asking.
Speaker 3: What everyone is thinking.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, yes, and worst case scenario is actually good
Speaker 2: to talk about because it can give you then a
Speaker 2: good precedent to build off of for other scenarios that
Speaker 2: are not worst case, but often they don't have good answers.
Speaker 2: So I can give good things to think about. But
Speaker 2: the thought of and this is a conversation that has
Speaker 2: been happening for a long time around a lot of
Speaker 2: dinner tables and couches, and even around Mennonite dinner tables,
Speaker 2: what if this would happen? What would you do? And
Speaker 2: it's hard to know what you would do. For me,
Speaker 2: I don't know what I would do. So the position
Speaker 2: that I generally take, and I don't condemn someone for
Speaker 2: taking a different position. I have good friends that that
Speaker 2: actually carry and they actually have a weapon of self
Speaker 2: defense at their disposal. I've decided to take the position. Well,
Speaker 2: I've decided to not put myself in a position where
Speaker 2: I have to decide I'm going to use a weapon
Speaker 2: that can kill someone or not, And so I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't sleep with a pistol beside my bed. I
Speaker 2: don't have a pistol that I carry on me on
Speaker 2: a regular basis. And I've chosen not to do that because, well,
Speaker 2: for me, it comes down to it, it's a it's
Speaker 2: a step of faith, because I would want nothing better
Speaker 2: than to be able to fully protect my family. I'm
Speaker 2: a protector and a provider, but I'm also called to
Speaker 2: trust God. And by by saying that, I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that someone that decides to have concealed cary and actually
Speaker 2: use a weapon isn't trusting God. I'm just speaking for myself,
Speaker 2: and I think i'd be speaking to for a lot
Speaker 2: within the culture, it's a step of faith to decide
Speaker 2: to not put yourself in that position where you have
Speaker 2: to make that choice. And a lot of times, you know,
Speaker 2: we would look at the scripture where Jesus would would
Speaker 2: have told his disciples that he that lives by the
Speaker 2: sword will die by the sword paraphrasing there. Sure, but
Speaker 2: that if you decide to have that as your protection,
Speaker 2: then very likely that will have to be your protection.
Speaker 2: That's just something to think about.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Great, I would love to hear your thoughts. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you have any other questions for me, I'd
Speaker 2: be happy to answer. That's just the short version of
Speaker 2: kind of where we find ourselves.
Speaker 1: That's that's building up to it. So now it happens
Speaker 1: you're saying your answer is I don't know what I
Speaker 1: would do but I'm not putting myself in a position
Speaker 1: to have something readily available to kill, right.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yes, that's not saying that I wouldn't use what
Speaker 2: I have to try to take care of the situation.
Speaker 2: But for sure i'd be crying out to the Lord
Speaker 2: in a situation that like that, knowing that he's actually
Speaker 2: seeing what's happening, and that it's certainly not in my
Speaker 2: heart to It's not from a position of being a
Speaker 2: coward or a position of not shouldering my responsibility. We
Speaker 2: want to shoulder our responsibility as men with all our
Speaker 2: hearts in our culture. But it would be the Anabaptists,
Speaker 2: and the position of non resistance would largely be taken
Speaker 2: from Jesus attitude of if my servants, if my disciples
Speaker 2: were of this world, if my kingdom was of this world,
Speaker 2: then would my servants fight. I think that's how he
Speaker 2: said it. If my kingdom was of this world, then
Speaker 2: would my servants servants fight? But now my kingdom's not
Speaker 2: not from here, And based on that, he let the
Speaker 2: Jews and the Romans capture him and cify him. And
Speaker 2: whether that's a totally accurate interpretation of that verse, I
Speaker 2: think that's where a kind of a foundational verse for
Speaker 2: the Mennonites to live a non resistant life, and it's
Speaker 2: been a blessed life. You know, the Mennonites were severely
Speaker 2: persecuted when they first broke off of the Catholic Church
Speaker 2: back in the beginning of like in the fifteen hundreds,
Speaker 2: and it was their non resistant stance that really made
Speaker 2: them who they were. It was kind of their their
Speaker 2: foundation of one of their foundational beliefs away from the beginning.
Speaker 2: So there's just some stuff to think about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have a problem with anything you said,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if I would answer it differently.
Speaker 1: I love though, I love the idea that I'm not
Speaker 1: going to have something on me that would tempt me
Speaker 1: to taking a life because I've I've joked in the
Speaker 1: past with Amber like as a Christian, Well, I'm taking
Speaker 1: out all the kneecaps. I'm gonna take out their kneecaps
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna preach the gospel to them.
Speaker 2: I can't say that.
Speaker 1: My head as I'm wrapping a tourniquet around their leg
Speaker 1: in my living room. Yes, in the middle of the night,
Speaker 1: I'm wrapping a tourniquet around their leg and telling them
Speaker 1: about Jesus with nine to one one in my left hand.
Speaker 1: You know that's I like that, I do, but it's
Speaker 1: going to another level saying and I'm also not going
Speaker 1: to have anything in my house that would tempt me
Speaker 1: to blow in their head off, because who knows in
Speaker 1: that moment if that's what you would be tempted to do.
Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with your answer.
Speaker 1: I I think, first of all, once again, I have
Speaker 1: to reiterate on this podcast. Right now, we're talking about
Speaker 1: an extreme, isolated occurrence that is very very rare. To
Speaker 1: sleep with a pistol under your pillow for this kind
Speaker 1: of scenario is as like winning the lottery if it
Speaker 1: actually happened, especially living in a first world country. And
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people that will disagree, but
Speaker 1: I would challenge them to test their heart and their faith.
Speaker 3: If that.
Speaker 1: Resistance in their mind to this idea is coming from
Speaker 1: culture or coming from God.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 3: There are biblical.
Speaker 1: Arguments to make for an armed resistance. There are biblical
Speaker 1: arguments from thirteen. For Christians serving in law enforcement or military,
Speaker 1: there is a biblical argument for it, and there's a
Speaker 1: biblical argument against it. People email. You've probably heard all
Speaker 1: the time. I feel a calling to go into the military,
Speaker 1: but I'm now I'm torn as a Christian if I
Speaker 1: should be someone who kills. I know that we have
Speaker 1: a lot of stories in World War Two where there
Speaker 1: was a draft and people went in. They followed the
Speaker 1: Romans thirteen governmental rule of going into the draft because
Speaker 1: that's that was the law. But then when they got
Speaker 1: into the to the army, they said, I will not
Speaker 1: carry a weapon. I'll do anything else. I will carry
Speaker 1: the coffee, I'll help with the tourniquets, I'll carry the
Speaker 1: sick out.
Speaker 3: But I can't. I can't.
Speaker 1: I need a religious exemption for carrying a weapon. So
Speaker 1: we do see a faithful authority to Romans thirteen carrying
Speaker 1: out the law and a faithful observance to Jesus in
Speaker 1: non resistance. So I think it could it can work.
Speaker 1: There's arguments either way. I think if you were going
Speaker 1: to fall on one side and say this is the
Speaker 1: side I'm falling on, I think non resistance is decide.
Speaker 3: To fall on.
Speaker 2: Well. I think sometimes there's not explicit, like you said,
Speaker 2: arguments both ways. It's not always completely clear or right
Speaker 2: and wrong, But sometimes there's blessing that goes with believing
Speaker 2: a certain way. The thing with you could say, the
Speaker 2: thing that we could fault on as non resistant people
Speaker 2: is that non resistance is a lifestyle. It's not just
Speaker 2: deciding not to carry a pistol. But often we would
Speaker 2: draw a line there, we're not going to kill someone,
Speaker 2: but then we really don't live non resistant in other
Speaker 2: areas of our life. And for us to really believe that,
Speaker 2: you know, we're not typically involved in the court system,
Speaker 2: we're not typically involved in we're not considered patriotic, we
Speaker 2: don't involve ourselves in governmental affairs in general. Now, Mennonites,
Speaker 2: they're kind of on a spectrum of conservative liberal. I
Speaker 2: guess that's the right words to use. But sure there's
Speaker 2: some that are more involved than others, for sure, But
Speaker 2: in general, we would consider that a lifestyle, not just
Speaker 2: an instance based or a specific thing like carrying a pistol.
Speaker 1: You're you're doing such a great job, and I'm it's
Speaker 1: occurring to me as we're talking that I also don't
Speaker 1: want to put you in a in a situation because
Speaker 1: you are a pastor representing your church, and you're also
Speaker 1: representing a culture and and there are many Mennonites that
Speaker 1: listen to this podcast, many Amish, which maybe we could
Speaker 1: talk later about the difference between the two, since a
Speaker 1: lot of people associate the two cultures together.
Speaker 3: Even though they're not.
Speaker 1: So I don't want to put you in this situation.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't okay, put in I don't want
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Speaker 1: So this is it's a heart position, Sonja. It's going
Speaker 1: to be a where's your heart in this? Are you
Speaker 1: needing to work your job and your husband's needed to
Speaker 1: work his job so that you could pay for the
Speaker 1: twenty acres and then you're going to get animals that
Speaker 1: you're going to have an extra responsibility, and then you
Speaker 1: want children. I think that might be starting to get
Speaker 1: unwise because now you don't have time to be with
Speaker 1: the children, and your husband definitely doesn't. So if that's
Speaker 1: what you're asking, I think, yes, I would say unwise,
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure if that's what you mean. But
Speaker 1: I do know you said we both work full time
Speaker 1: jobs outside of the home.
Speaker 3: If that is.
Speaker 1: An absolute requirement to keep up with the payments, say
Speaker 1: it's a problem.
Speaker 3: You agree with that, Mark.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's easy to in society around us to think, well,
Speaker 2: that's just a normal thing that they the husband and
Speaker 2: the wife work, and you often will. Your lifestyle reflects
Speaker 2: that where you both have to work. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 2: hard to it's hard to have a concept of just
Speaker 2: the husband working and the wife being a stay at
Speaker 2: home I've seen time and again we're often it's normal
Speaker 2: for when you have a new baby that the mom
Speaker 2: stays home just long enough until she kind of gets
Speaker 2: on her feet, and when the baby's ready, they go
Speaker 2: off to daycare and she goes back to work to
Speaker 2: support a lifestyle. But my opinion would be twenty acres
Speaker 2: isn't worth the sacrifice. If that's what it.
Speaker 1: Takes you said to support a lifestyle, that's the key
Speaker 1: we're not talking about. Husband has a back injury from
Speaker 1: falling off the ladder, mom has to go to work
Speaker 1: to make ends meet. You guys have a one betroom
Speaker 1: apartment in the city. You're doing the best you can
Speaker 1: just to put beans in the pot. It's not what
Speaker 1: we're talking about. We're saying supporting a lifestyle of a
Speaker 1: twenty acre farm in Middle Tennessee with animals and you're working.
Speaker 3: Two jobs to keep that up. I would say.
Speaker 1: Downgrade the life style until you reach a point where
Speaker 1: you go, I am fully available for children. And then
Speaker 1: if you could if you could buy chickens and have
Speaker 1: chickens roaming around the property and you could hold you
Speaker 1: could hold your possessions with open palms. I love to
Speaker 1: think of it. If you were if you have clothesed
Speaker 1: fists around these possessions in terms of I have to work,
Speaker 1: I have to do, we have to fulfill this, and
Speaker 1: then once we get it, we have to hang on
Speaker 1: to it. And if we'd be devastated it, if we
Speaker 1: had to share it with anyone, we would be devastated.
Speaker 1: Then your heart position has to be readjusted. I think
Speaker 1: that's what you're asking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is probably a dream come true for them
Speaker 2: to have a twenty acre farm as newlyweds. But this
Speaker 2: would be my thoughts that children are a gift from God.
Speaker 2: Chickens and goats aren't necessarily and those may be able
Speaker 2: to come in time, but don't don't turn your dream
Speaker 2: into a nightmare.
Speaker 3: That's a great point.
Speaker 1: So, speaking of twenty acre farms chickens, what's the difference
Speaker 1: between Amish and Mennonites.
Speaker 2: Probably the size of their farms. Uh So, the just
Speaker 2: as a quick history thing that the Mennonites would have
Speaker 2: came from the Catholic Church, and after the Mennonites were
Speaker 2: a people for some time, the Amish actually broke off
Speaker 2: of the of the Mennonites. And wow, there's uh, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of so Jacob Ahmond would have been the
Speaker 2: where the Amish name would have come from from the
Speaker 2: name Amen. And so I'm not sure, your little brothers,
Speaker 2: I guess you could say it that way.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: The the Amish would they would have they would believe
Speaker 2: in salvation, but that would vary some by by. Again,
Speaker 2: the there's different am there's a spectrum of Amish just
Speaker 2: for practical purposes. There's there's old order and there's new.
Speaker 2: But then there's also a lot of different sects of
Speaker 2: Amish in that and they would typically in their range,
Speaker 2: it would it would all be dependent on lifestyle. Now,
Speaker 2: the commonality of the Amish was they generally they can't
Speaker 2: have cars, so they drive horse and buggy or the
Speaker 2: higher driver to take them places. But it would mostly
Speaker 2: be along lifestyle, and it would be very much. They
Speaker 2: would generally look at separation from the world would be
Speaker 2: a physical thing. So their foundational belief is that God,
Speaker 2: from what I understand, is that God never changes and
Speaker 2: so therefore if we follow God, we should never change.
Speaker 2: And so that's kind of why the Amish could appear
Speaker 2: stuck in time because they take that very literally. But
Speaker 2: there's a lot of a lot of man made well,
Speaker 2: it's a man made system, but it's from the way
Speaker 2: they interpret certain scripture verses. And whenever you have a
Speaker 2: man made system that strong, there's a strong authority that
Speaker 2: goes with it. And there's also there's a lot of rules,
Speaker 2: and of course when you have a lot of rules,
Speaker 2: well then you still have humans are humans, no matter
Speaker 2: if they're Amish or not. And so there's a lot
Speaker 2: of bending and twisting and reshaping and and so it's
Speaker 2: amazing how some of the Amish find ways to actually
Speaker 2: still have fairly modern conveniences without really breaking the rules.
Speaker 2: It's it's ingenuity at its finest.
Speaker 1: So I saw something similar with the Orthodox Jews, and yes,
Speaker 1: okay that broughably some similarities.
Speaker 3: They find ways around rules that they have.
Speaker 2: Made, and us Mennonites are not all that different. Sometimes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's an interpretation from scripture, and a rule
Speaker 1: is made from an interpretation, and then in order to
Speaker 1: live a modern life, there's exceptions made or not exceptions.
Speaker 1: There's around the rules that they have made from the interpretation.
Speaker 1: It's so interesting. Yes, with Jews, we're not talking about
Speaker 1: the Bible, we're talking about the Torah. But on the Sabbath,
Speaker 1: you can't use an elevator. You can't push an elevator button. Amazing,
Speaker 1: So everybody has made sabbath elevators that go up to
Speaker 1: the top floor and then back down one floor at
Speaker 1: a time, so that you could just walk in. The
Speaker 1: door opens and you walk in, and you ride it
Speaker 1: up till you get to your place and it opens
Speaker 1: and you walk out.
Speaker 3: So it's just a way around. You're still riding the elevator.
Speaker 1: Yes, you're still using the modern convenience of the electric elevator.
Speaker 2: That type of mindset does make for so many inconsistencies,
Speaker 2: and we could talk a lot about that. But what
Speaker 2: the Amish do well at is their very strong community.
Speaker 2: They're very loyal to each other. Yes, they have usually
Speaker 2: big families and amazing craftsmen. Yes, maybe they have passed
Speaker 2: on a quality work ethic very well. They put high
Speaker 2: marks on that I believe, and so the there's things
Speaker 2: the Amish have. Uh, they're really a throwback in time
Speaker 2: that they live with values and in in some ways Mennonites.
Speaker 2: The similarities would be that we both believe at some
Speaker 2: level that being separate from the world affects our lifestyle,
Speaker 2: affects us In a in a physical way, but the
Speaker 2: Mennonites have typically decided to live with more modern conveniences
Speaker 2: in our in the way we live our life. We
Speaker 2: drive vehicles, we we buy our clothes for the most part.
Speaker 2: Now that that depends on where who you are. If
Speaker 2: you're a real conservative Mennonite, they may, especially the women,
Speaker 2: may make their their dresses. But the Amish would for
Speaker 2: the most part, uh make all of their clothes, or
Speaker 2: they may have somebody Amish make clothes, and may we
Speaker 2: sell them in a store in an Amish store. But
Speaker 2: their their pants and shirts and even their I think
Speaker 2: often their shoes, and you know, the dresses, their head coverings.
Speaker 2: All of that is all made by Amish, to my understanding,
Speaker 2: and often homemade.
Speaker 1: When I go to Pennsylvania, I love to buy or Indiana,
Speaker 1: I love to buy from from the Amish store. In fact,
Speaker 1: we have two former Amish that make our chicken coop,
Speaker 1: our our garden, my greenhouse. We have actually the Roman Cross.
Speaker 1: I have her in the backyard, made by Amish. Because
Speaker 1: their work ethic and their their precision craftsmanship is unmatched.
Speaker 2: They also very one thing they do almost exclusively. They
Speaker 2: pass on a language, the Pennsylvania Dutch language. The men
Speaker 2: Andites do that, some the Amish do it much better.
Speaker 2: Can you speak it ikon i khondaj? Yeah, he switched that.
Speaker 2: Sell them my Ash language. Vest That means yes, I
Speaker 2: can talk Dutch, I'm fluent in it and I Dutch
Speaker 2: was my first language. I knew that before I knew English.
Speaker 3: I did not know that more.
Speaker 1: Wow, fascinating conversation. Okay, let's get to another question here.
Speaker 1: It's from Shyenne. Says Hey Granger. My husband and I
Speaker 1: are twenty six years old, brand new parents of a
Speaker 1: little boy. We've been together for eight years and have
Speaker 1: gone through many trials together, loss of parents, siblings, miscarriages, etc.
Speaker 3: All of which have.
Speaker 1: Made us struggle with our faith throughout these years. While
Speaker 1: I began and continuously work on my relationship with the Lord,
Speaker 1: my husband will often challenge or mock me when I speak.
Speaker 1: My worry is that our son will grow up hearing
Speaker 1: some of these things. How can I continue to help
Speaker 1: and encourage my husband through this process? And how could
Speaker 1: I help lead my son? Any advice would be helpful.
Speaker 1: I love what you do and how you speak love
Speaker 1: and light into the world.
Speaker 3: Thanks for it all.
Speaker 1: All right, Cheyenne, I'm sorry for this tough situation you're in,
Speaker 1: being so young, twenty six, you have been together eight years,
Speaker 1: and it sounds like you are a Christian. It sounds
Speaker 1: like and your husband is not. Is it kind of
Speaker 1: what you're getting?
Speaker 2: Yes, And.
Speaker 1: Thankfully the Bible does talk about this, talks about scenarios
Speaker 1: like this.
Speaker 2: Are they married? Does it say the Mary?
Speaker 3: That's an interesting question. I don't think I noticed. I don't.
Speaker 1: Yes, my husband, Okay, my husband and I are twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six years old, brand new parents to a little boy. Well,
Speaker 1: the first answer for a Christian, China, if you're a Christian,
Speaker 1: the first answer is you pray.
Speaker 3: You pray for him, You pray for.
Speaker 1: Your husband, and you pray for your little boy, and
Speaker 1: you beg the Lord for him. And you have an
Speaker 1: opportunity through your serving them and through through the love
Speaker 1: that you have for them, you have an opportunity to
Speaker 1: be a witness through that so that the Bible says
Speaker 1: that there is a way that you could break him down,
Speaker 1: so that he ends up thinking, how could you be
Speaker 1: so joyful? How could you still serve me even when
Speaker 1: I'm angry with you? How could you still look at
Speaker 1: me and love me. And your answer is the Lord.
Speaker 1: There is a testimony in that that is true.
Speaker 3: And I would, I would.
Speaker 1: I would prioritize praying for your own strength to do
Speaker 1: that and for His salvation over I would prioritize that
Speaker 1: over all the other things like going to church when
Speaker 1: he doesn't go, a counsel with the the other women
Speaker 1: at the possible, having a pastor meet. All that stuff's important.
Speaker 1: But I would just I would, I would pray like
Speaker 1: it all depends on God.
Speaker 3: What do you think about this, Marv?
Speaker 2: So one of the one of the things I would
Speaker 2: certainly encourage her with is what was her name, Chyenne? Chyenne.
Speaker 2: One thing I would encourage you with, Cheyenne is to
Speaker 2: make sure that you're in a local church, and maybe
Speaker 2: you are. If you are, surround yourself with support, share
Speaker 2: your story with someone that can walk through with you
Speaker 2: a little, a little encouragement for you. Is my back
Speaker 2: in twenty ten, well before twenty ten, like two thousand
Speaker 2: and eight, two thousand and nine, my wife and I
Speaker 2: had been married about five years, and I was not
Speaker 2: who I was supposed to be as a husband or
Speaker 2: as a as a Christian, and my wife knew that,
Speaker 2: and she took it upon herself to start praying for me,
Speaker 2: and she prayed. She had a card that had a
Speaker 2: prayer for her husband on it that she committed to
Speaker 2: praying every day, and she prayed that prayer faithfully and
Speaker 2: I had no idea. And it was through that when
Speaker 2: my life became so miserable that I actually was unwilling
Speaker 2: to go further and ended up I was miserable in
Speaker 2: every area of my life. Now was that that doesn't
Speaker 2: sound like a good thing, but it was the best
Speaker 2: thing that ever happened to me because it drove me
Speaker 2: to finding something better. And when my life changed, which
Speaker 2: I went home one day from work, I had reached
Speaker 2: the end of myself and I am desperate, grabbed a
Speaker 2: Bible and started reading. I had to find out if
Speaker 2: I was a Christian or not, and and my life
Speaker 2: totally changed that day. My eyes were opened and that
Speaker 2: was the beginning. That was my rebirth. And after that,
Speaker 2: my wife said, I've been praying for you and it's
Speaker 2: never been the same. So that's that's what I would
Speaker 2: encourage you, is just pray, pray, pray, commit yourself to that,
Speaker 2: and then don't pray out of desperation, pray out of praise,
Speaker 2: and pray in faith. There's it's very important to to
Speaker 2: pray cast your husband. You could say on him and
Speaker 2: then leave him there and otherwise. What Granger said is wonderful.
Speaker 2: Just stay, stay in the word and pray for yourself
Speaker 2: as well. But get that connection with the Father is
Speaker 2: how you're going to get through this.
Speaker 1: That's incredible. Wow, Chyenne, what a blessing that you have.
Speaker 1: You have Marv to give you the other side of
Speaker 1: this whole sinna. That is fantastic. Next question comes from
Speaker 1: Casey and says, Hey, Granger and whoever else might be
Speaker 1: on this podcast, thank you for the music and the
Speaker 1: last and the memories I've had with my friends and
Speaker 1: family because of you and your family. Why is it
Speaker 1: so hard to ask for help for what seems like everyone,
Speaker 1: especially if someone you don't know a lot about yourself.
Speaker 1: Let me read this again. Why is it so hard
Speaker 1: to ask for help for what seems like everyone, especially
Speaker 1: if it's something you don't know a lot about yourself.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what he means by.
Speaker 2: That, hmm. I would be meaning why is it so
Speaker 2: hard to ask for help? Because it said something about
Speaker 2: because you don't know a lot about something like kind
Speaker 2: of the idea that it's hard to humble ourselves to
Speaker 2: actually ask. We already feel like we should know. Is
Speaker 2: that kind of what you're gathering.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think so. And so Casey, it sounds
Speaker 1: like this is a this is a lesson and vulnerability
Speaker 1: for you, And maybe there's a little bit of pride
Speaker 1: of showing showing other people that you might not know everything,
Speaker 1: and that.
Speaker 3: Is for especially for guys, that that is a thing,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: I remember my dad was so good at at just
Speaker 1: asking questions and not worrying about if people thought he
Speaker 1: was stupid for asking the question. Because so many times
Speaker 1: we go through life and I'm guilty of this. We
Speaker 1: go through life just kind of listening and agreeing, and
Speaker 1: inside you're thinking, I wish I could ask more about this,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to slow this conversation down, or
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't wanna Surely I should
Speaker 1: know this answer and I don't. So Casey, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a practice of vulnerability to say, because when people
Speaker 1: do that do that to me, I never think, oh,
Speaker 1: this guy's so stupid. I always think, Wow, it's great
Speaker 1: to sometimes slow down and to help explain, because that's
Speaker 1: the only way we learn. So Casey, I think that's
Speaker 1: what this is about, is you starting small and practicing
Speaker 1: the art of saying, hang on a second, guys, can
Speaker 1: you explain that one more time?
Speaker 3: I don't know a lot about this.
Speaker 1: I think you'll be surprised when you start doing that
Speaker 1: that people don't look at you like you're dumb. They
Speaker 1: actually look at you like you're more intelligent, because you
Speaker 1: want to actually know more about a certain subject. Bill
Speaker 1: says Granger Love your podcast. I'm twenty three, live in Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: I have a great job. I've accomplished a lot at
Speaker 1: my age, and so I plan on staying at this
Speaker 1: job for a long time. My parents are split up,
Speaker 1: but I have my own house that doesn't affect me
Speaker 1: as much as my younger brother. Last May, my dad's
Speaker 1: house burned to the ground, so I'll so I let
Speaker 1: him stay with me temporarily. It's been almost ten months.
Speaker 1: I feel like having him living with me puts a
Speaker 1: cap on my potential. I've lived by myself for two
Speaker 1: years before last May. I know the Bible says honor
Speaker 1: your father and mother, but how long is too long
Speaker 1: for this to continue. It also puts a burden on
Speaker 1: my relationship with my mom because she can't come to
Speaker 1: my house anymore, and all my friends and his friends
Speaker 1: tell me that he's never going to move out. I
Speaker 1: think it puts a damper on my relationship because I
Speaker 1: don't feel like I'm independent anymore, especially when he asked, well,
Speaker 1: ask where I'm going all the time. I'm afraid that
Speaker 1: it's going to hinder our relationship if something doesn't change.
Speaker 1: He can afford a new house, but he chooses not
Speaker 1: to look. I think part of him doesn't want to
Speaker 1: move out because he gets to see me every day
Speaker 1: and my brother and at the same time every other week.
Speaker 1: I am thinking about how the right way to react
Speaker 1: is God blessing, thanks for all that you do for
Speaker 1: a small town kids.
Speaker 3: Bill.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's an interesting question. Bill twenty three, young young
Speaker 1: going through this. Dad is living with you and he
Speaker 1: has been for two years because his house burned down.
Speaker 1: You are worried about violating honoring him, and you don't
Speaker 1: want to be also abused and taken advantage of. So
Speaker 1: I think your reaction to this and your question is
Speaker 1: valid and normal. How do you answer this guy mar Well.
Speaker 2: For one thing, I'm thinking of how unique the question
Speaker 2: is the situation is, because usually it's the other way around.
Speaker 2: Usually Dad has a son living at home that won't leave,
Speaker 2: and it's a hard situation. One of the first things
Speaker 2: I would say is you're gonna have to have a
Speaker 2: conversation with him, and maybe you have already. If not,
Speaker 2: that probably has to be one of the next things
Speaker 2: that happens. But this is a situation where again, are
Speaker 2: you in a church regularly. This would be where somebody
Speaker 2: around you could give you some great advice and walk
Speaker 2: through this with you, because it is a balance. It's
Speaker 2: a hard situation with you being the son and you
Speaker 2: want to honor your father, and bless you in that,
Speaker 2: by the way for having that desire or realizing that
Speaker 2: that's important to honor your father. But honor doesn't always
Speaker 2: mean just accommodate. And so how does that look like
Speaker 2: to move forward and honor and while still you know,
Speaker 2: being taken advantage of is one of the hardest things
Speaker 2: to deal with. When you feel taken advantage of, all
Speaker 2: of your perseverance, all of your your endurance, it's challenged.
Speaker 2: And so that's one thing that that is very hard.
Speaker 2: And I recognize that when you feel taken advantage of
Speaker 2: and you know, I don't know if you're a Christian
Speaker 2: or not, but but pray about it and share it
Speaker 2: with somebody and you that can walk through this with you.
Speaker 2: But whatever happens, if you have, if you have the
Speaker 2: the standard of honoring your father, but realize that honor
Speaker 2: isn't always accommodation. But if you move forward with that
Speaker 2: in mind, I think you'll do the right thing.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's really good. Honoring does not equal accommodating. And
Speaker 1: I get that question. You've probably heard that a lot.
Speaker 1: The how do I honor a father or a mother
Speaker 1: who is doesn't seem worthy of that honor? And so
Speaker 1: there's nuance there. Yes, okay, well what is honoring? What
Speaker 1: does that mean? Yes, it doesn't necessarily mean trusting. No,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that you welcome an alcoholic into your house.
Speaker 1: That's not honoring. So I think the only thing that
Speaker 1: I think Marv's answer is great, and I think my
Speaker 1: part in this conversation would be to dig in on
Speaker 1: what it looks like practically to have that conversation with him.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think we and.
Speaker 1: Bill it's not easy to break ice like this, but
Speaker 1: it looks something like taking him out of the distracted
Speaker 1: world and saying, Dad, I'd like to Maybe you even
Speaker 1: set it up where, Dad, I like to have some
Speaker 1: coffee with you one of these days to kind of
Speaker 1: discuss some things so that you're then you're acknowledging that
Speaker 1: you want to have a conversation. This isn't something you're
Speaker 1: having in the kitchen while you're making an omelet or
Speaker 1: he's walking out of the door and grabbing his coat. Dad,
Speaker 1: I want to tell you about how long you're going
Speaker 1: to live in the house. Let's actually pick a time
Speaker 1: and go, Dad, it's three o'clock on Friday, a good time,
Speaker 1: have some coffe and talk about some things so that
Speaker 1: you're at a table and it's one on one, and
Speaker 1: maybe even have some stuff written down so he knows
Speaker 1: you're serious. And you start with, just like you said, Dad,
Speaker 1: I love you. I want to honor you. I feel
Speaker 1: like it's the right thing for me to honor you,
Speaker 1: and I just want to say how grateful I am
Speaker 1: to have a great dad that has raised me and
Speaker 1: prepared me for life in so many ways. For the
Speaker 1: twenty six to twenty three years, But I do Dad
Speaker 1: want to talk about our living situation, and I kind
Speaker 1: of want to hear from you because I'm listen. I'm
Speaker 1: happy dad to support you, and I'm happy to help
Speaker 1: you out in your time of need. But I would
Speaker 1: like to respectfully know how long is this so I
Speaker 1: could plan ahead with my bills, with my life, with
Speaker 1: my own independence, as I'm growing, as I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: work and possibly a wife one day. Can you give
Speaker 1: me a timeframe, open up the door and see where
Speaker 1: that kind of conversation goes.
Speaker 2: Right. One thing that caught my attention was that you
Speaker 2: mentioned he you think the one reason he likes to
Speaker 2: stay there is because he likes to see you. That's
Speaker 2: actually pretty special, and don't take that lightly. A song
Speaker 2: that keeps coming into my head is I think it's
Speaker 2: titled The Cats and the Cradle. If you don't know
Speaker 2: that song, go listen to it. Ricky skagg sings and
Speaker 2: multiple other people. But maybe there's some of that in
Speaker 2: your situation and value that value that your dad wants
Speaker 2: to see you, and kind of have that in your
Speaker 2: mind and appreciate it maybe before you start the conversation, just.
Speaker 1: The thought, you know, in just a few weeks as
Speaker 1: we record this podcast. In a few weeks, actually, in
Speaker 1: one week will be ten years to the day I
Speaker 1: lost my dad. And it's interesting as we kind of
Speaker 1: wrap up this podcast too, because Maverick, my son, was
Speaker 1: waking up this morning and excuse me. He was going
Speaker 1: to bed last night and Amber put him down and
Speaker 1: she said, he wants you to go tell him a story,
Speaker 1: because I always tell him a story at night to
Speaker 1: put him down.
Speaker 3: And it's always the same.
Speaker 1: I make up this story about a little boy on
Speaker 1: a tractor and he's driving in the green grass and.
Speaker 3: He sees all these animals.
Speaker 1: He sees a grasshopper, and he sees a bird, and
Speaker 1: he sees a gorilla and gets back in the tractor
Speaker 1: and drives and I just make it up and we
Speaker 1: talk about what the gorilla says. So I'm watching him
Speaker 1: on the little Amber's little monitor and she says, he's
Speaker 1: waiting on you, and should we just let him fall asleep,
Speaker 1: And I thought, no, I'll go in there. And I
Speaker 1: walk into the room and open the door and his
Speaker 1: eyes slide up, and I went and laid down with
Speaker 1: him and start telling him the story. But it made
Speaker 1: me think about the way I reacted when my dad
Speaker 1: would walk into wherever I was. My brothers and I
Speaker 1: were sleeping and seeing him walk in, and it made
Speaker 1: me then reflect on the fact that it's been ten
Speaker 1: years since I've seen his face. And I think that's
Speaker 1: an interesting perspective Bill, as we talk about this, because
Speaker 1: most likely, the odds are most likely you will lose
Speaker 1: your dad and you will look back in a decade
Speaker 1: we'll go by like that and you'll say, man, I remember,
Speaker 1: I remember when Dad's house burned down and he lived you.
Speaker 3: Guys, remember when Dad's house burned down. He lived with
Speaker 3: me for two years.
Speaker 1: And then you'll look back and you won't look back
Speaker 1: in contempt of that. You'll let back and go thank
Speaker 1: God that he lived with me, and I got closer
Speaker 1: than I ever did.
Speaker 2: There's so many things that I basically hated when I
Speaker 2: was young that I would never trade today that maybe
Speaker 2: one of them.
Speaker 1: Absolutely Well, we love you, guys. It's been such an
Speaker 1: honor having you more. It's been an honor to be
Speaker 1: here the first podcast listener turned guest.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me on Granger, appreciate your brother
Speaker 2: special see y'all.
Speaker 1: Gee, thanks for joining me on the Grangersmith Podcast. I
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