1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: We're not just talking about self defense here. We're talking 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: about at the stake of your wife's life. An intruder 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: breaks into your house and he is going to kill 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: members of your family. Well, what's up, everybody? Welcome to 5 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: the podcast. A special episode for me, maybe special episode 6 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:34,319 Speaker 1: for you two. I don't know, absolutely so, everybody. This 7 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: is Marv miller, a, a Mennonite pastor. But that's really 8 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: irrelevant compared to what I'm about to say next. Long 9 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 1: time listener to the podcast, first listener to the podcast 10 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: turned guest. 11 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 2: I should pat myself on the back. 12 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: That's how literally how we met was through this podcast. Yeah, 13 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: you emailed the podcast. That's what we do here. I 14 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: just read your emails and you were one of the emails, 15 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: and it was very intriguing to me. I'm not exactly 16 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: sure it wasn't that it was more special than other emails, 17 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: but something in my spirit says, reply to this guy. 18 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: And that reply. We can't remember if it was two 19 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: or three years ago you emailed, but that reply led 20 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: to a brotherhood between you and I, a friendship that 21 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: has grown just from one email and from my reply. 22 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: That led to a few more replies that led to 23 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: a phone call between us. You live in South Carolina 24 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: with your family. I live in Texas. We then met 25 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh for a concert of mine. 26 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 2: Yes, just last September. 27 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: Last September, and then there was a conference, a pastor's 28 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: conference in Austin, and I said, hey, Marv, what about 29 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: you come to this pastor's conference and come stay with 30 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: us in the barn. So that's literally what you've been 31 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: doing the last three or four days is staying here 32 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: at the house. And now you're on the podcast the 33 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: same place, full circle where we first met. I think 34 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: it's just a it's a fascinating story just for me 35 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: what this podcast has done in the friendship that like, 36 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: if if nothing else mattered on this podcast, I got 37 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: a great friend out of it. 38 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, it's it's really an honor and it feels 39 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 2: so undeserving to actually be here. I was talking with 40 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 2: my wife the other day and it just feels like 41 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 2: we're walking on holy ground here because, like she said, 42 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: there's no reason on earth that we should be here, 43 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 2: and the likelihood of Granger reaching out, like if you're 44 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: reaching out to an email that I sent, you know 45 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: what caught your attention and why did you decide to 46 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 2: reach out to me, and I just love the thought 47 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 2: that are you know what I wrote. I wrote a 48 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 2: little bit of my testimony, and somehow our spirits connected 49 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: in that email. And definitely our friendship was built off 50 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 2: of our spiritual connection. And that's we're not really friends 51 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 2: as much as we're brothers. True and uh and so 52 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: to actually be able to well, when I started listening 53 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 2: to your podcast, I connected with your perspective. It resonated 54 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: with me when I when I listened and I had 55 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: first heard your music, and then when I started actually 56 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 2: uh listening to the podcast, which I I'm not sure 57 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 2: at what point I found out you actually had a podcast, 58 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 2: I want to start listening to it. I knew right 59 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: away that your life was changed and you had found 60 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 2: what you're looking for. And of course I wasn't always 61 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: making the connection between what you were saying in your 62 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: podcast and some of the music, and that that was 63 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 2: the curious question. That's why I emailed you. 64 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: Yeah you want me to tell them, because yeah, you do, 65 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: because they might be thinking, what in the world did 66 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: he say? In an E that made Granger actually reply 67 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: because I never ever reply. 68 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 3: I just instead put him in the queue. 69 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: By the way, that email is podcast at grangersmith dot com. 70 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: You email and we answer your questions. That's what the 71 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: format is. You emailed, and I, instead of putting it 72 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: in the queue to read it on the podcast, I 73 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: felt compelled to reply. People might be thinking, what was it? Well, 74 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: it was part of your testimony. But then the end 75 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 1: was what will you do? I'm paraphrasing, what will you 76 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: do with Earl Dibbles Junior? And how will that how 77 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: will that character still bring people to the truth? 78 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,679 Speaker 2: Yes, like, how do you connect Earl Dibbles with your faith? 79 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 3: Yeah? 80 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: And at the time when you emailed, I already knew 81 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: that I was going to Lord willing leave touring, that 82 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: things were going to change for me, and you are 83 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: almost eluding it. Hey, you know that the road you're on, 84 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: you know where this is headed. If you take, if 85 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: you take what you believe Granger to its fullest extent, 86 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: you're going to start leaving the secular life behind. 87 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: Yes, you knew that in a way, Yes, yes, I did. 88 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 2: I mean that's exactly so it's. 89 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,239 Speaker 1: Either that or you don't really believe what you're saying, 90 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: do you. 91 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 2: I was so curious how you're going to make the connection, 92 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 2: because I was thinking, I've heard you talk enough. I 93 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 2: know you've had to have thought about this, and because 94 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 2: I knew at that point, well, you weren't just living 95 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 2: two different lives. I knew you had made a connection somehow. 96 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: There was some reason that you were singing the songs 97 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 2: you were singing, but then also sharing the faith you 98 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 2: were sharing. And not every song, of course, there was 99 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 2: a few that caught my attention, and I think the 100 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 2: first one that really made me start thinking, I need 101 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 2: to ask him a question. And I never told you this, 102 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 2: but was the song if You're Happy in if your 103 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 2: Country and you know it raised a beer? Yeah, And 104 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 2: that was a children's song that I knew growing up, 105 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 2: If You're happy and you know it clap your hands. 106 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: And then this was like a rewritten song, and so 107 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 2: so I thought, now, how does he connect that with 108 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: his with what I hear you say on the podcast. 109 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: And that's what really made me start thinking about the question. 110 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 2: Not that well, I'm I'm from the men Inite culture, 111 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 2: and so that just caught my attention. That song that 112 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: you'd taken a children's song and rewrote it into a 113 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 2: country song like that, I knew there was a connection somehow, 114 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 2: so I was looking forward to hearing you explain it 115 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 2: when you actually emailed back and said, I'm trying to 116 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 2: remember exactly what your words were. He said, a lot 117 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 2: will be changing for me in the next ten to 118 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 2: twelve months, and I don't think Earl will be making 119 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: the journey with me. I think that's what she said. 120 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 2: It took me off guard. I expected to hear some 121 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 2: kind of a response of well, this is the reason 122 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 2: I sing this and then I say this, and not 123 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 2: everybody may say there was a conflict or anything. It 124 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: was just sure. It was just that question that your 125 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 2: answer that was just well I'm actually changing directtions here 126 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 2: was so authentic and so honest and just it really 127 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 2: caught me off guard. And then I knew you were 128 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: for real when you responded what you did that like 129 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 2: took all the doubtside of my mind. So then after that, 130 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 2: listening to your podcast is where I It's like your 131 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 2: perspective connected with me, and I just built a trust 132 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 2: off of the perspective. You know, I may have given 133 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 2: different answers different times as a as a pastor. I 134 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: love listening to your podcast because it I run those 135 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 2: questions and then your answers through my head all the time. 136 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,239 Speaker 2: You know, when when I do counseling, when we're meeting 137 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: with young couples or young people, you know, we're essentially 138 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 2: sitting across the campfire from people in person. We have 139 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 2: them in our living room a lot, and those questions 140 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 2: have really given me years worth of experience in just knowing, oh, 141 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 2: this is the direction that would be good to go 142 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 2: with a question like this, So what does this really 143 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: help me? 144 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 3: What is this room? 145 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: The perspective of sitting in this chair looking out instead 146 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: of looking from the camera in how does that perspective 147 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: for you? 148 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 3: What is that like? 149 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 2: Well, I had no idea what to expect, and I'm 150 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: not familiar with talking on a podcast, especially not with 151 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 2: like a video podcast, and. 152 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 3: So I weird, looks great on video. 153 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 2: We'll wait, We'll have to wait and make that call. 154 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: But so so, sitting here, it feels surreal, really it does. 155 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 2: But it's in another way, it feels just like you 156 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 2: and I are having a conversation. It really does. It's 157 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 2: a it's a nice atmosphere you have here and I'm 158 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 2: looking forward to. 159 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: And that's so cool, And you're speaking for all the 160 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: people that have listened as long as you have for 161 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: several years, that have wondered what it might be like 162 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: sitting in that chair. 163 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's amazing. It actually feels good so far. 164 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,719 Speaker 1: Well, I'm not going just because you're here. I'm not 165 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: going to change the format of what we do. We're 166 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: still going to answer questions. And I think it would 167 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: be interesting because we're both brothers in Christ. But we 168 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: do come from different cultures, yes, quite different, And just 169 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: like a lot of people that are listening right now 170 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: come from different cultures, and that's okay, and so I 171 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: think a different culture will probably prompt a different answer. 172 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: Before we get started, I will say something ironic about 173 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: this conversation today is that Earl Dibbles actually filmed video 174 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: this morning. 175 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 3: So Earl is not dead. He filmed the. 176 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: Video because there is a girl at our office at 177 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 1: the Yegee Farm that has a cyber truck, the Tesla truck, 178 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: and so we filmed Earl's reaction to a Tesla truck 179 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: and what he thinks about it. 180 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 2: That's awesome, But the Earl these days is different. I 181 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 2: didn't think Earl should be killed. 182 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 3: He's not dead. 183 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 2: How did I say he should be converted, not condemned. 184 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 3: He should be verded. I could do it, so. 185 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 2: Uh. 186 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: The first question, by the way, if I'll say it again, 187 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: the email is podcast at grangersmith dot com, and you're 188 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 1: you're emailing my producer ant Man, who is going to 189 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: put your question in Q. So we ask just don't 190 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: send the same question a bunch for ant Man's sake, 191 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: and don't send it longer than about a phone length, 192 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: because it makes it harder to read in this in 193 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 1: this setting. The first question and I already I've already 194 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: scanned it because I could see it right now, and 195 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: this is already going to be interesting with a mind 196 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: night pastor. It comes from Caden. It says, Hey, Granger, 197 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on concealed Carrie self defense? Is 198 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: it okay to kill someone if it saves someone else's life. 199 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: I know this is a deep question, and I'm just 200 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: curious what your thoughts are. I enjoy your music and 201 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: your podcast. Thanks Caden Anderson from Illinois. 202 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 2: Interesting. 203 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 3: Uh, great way to start. 204 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: I'm really interested in this because in the mind of 205 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: night culture, you. 206 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 3: You follow the. 207 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 1: I don't want to say law, you follow the. 208 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 2: Teaching, teaching of. 209 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 3: Non resistance. 210 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: Is that what it's called, that of non resistance, and 211 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: that's that's literally taking the Gospel to the fullest extent 212 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: of believing Jesus when he says, love your enemies, turn 213 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: the other cheek. So I'll start with you, Marv. What 214 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: are your thoughts. Of course, we're not just talking about 215 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: self defense here. We're talking about at the stake of 216 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: your wife's life, an intruder breaks into your house and 217 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: he is going to kill members of your family. I 218 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: would love to hear your answer on that. 219 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: So the the worst case scenario is something that is 220 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 2: always given out as an example. Sure, so this is 221 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 2: a worst case scenario, and let me just go ahead. 222 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: Very very rare for this scenario to happen. If if 223 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: once in a lifetime, that's one in a thousand families. 224 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 1: I don't personally know anyone that this has actually happened to, 225 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: but you're right, we throw the exception out. 226 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 3: Is what do you do here? 227 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: So I'm not trying to trap you, no gotcha or 228 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: just I'm asking. 229 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 3: What everyone is thinking. 230 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 2: Yes, okay, yes, and worst case scenario is actually good 231 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 2: to talk about because it can give you then a 232 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 2: good precedent to build off of for other scenarios that 233 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 2: are not worst case, but often they don't have good answers. 234 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 2: So I can give good things to think about. But 235 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: the thought of and this is a conversation that has 236 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: been happening for a long time around a lot of 237 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 2: dinner tables and couches, and even around Mennonite dinner tables, 238 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 2: what if this would happen? What would you do? And 239 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 2: it's hard to know what you would do. For me, 240 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 2: I don't know what I would do. So the position 241 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 2: that I generally take, and I don't condemn someone for 242 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 2: taking a different position. I have good friends that that 243 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 2: actually carry and they actually have a weapon of self 244 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 2: defense at their disposal. I've decided to take the position. Well, 245 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 2: I've decided to not put myself in a position where 246 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 2: I have to decide I'm going to use a weapon 247 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 2: that can kill someone or not, And so I don't. 248 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 2: I don't sleep with a pistol beside my bed. I 249 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 2: don't have a pistol that I carry on me on 250 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 2: a regular basis. And I've chosen not to do that because, well, 251 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 2: for me, it comes down to it, it's a it's 252 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 2: a step of faith, because I would want nothing better 253 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,839 Speaker 2: than to be able to fully protect my family. I'm 254 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 2: a protector and a provider, but I'm also called to 255 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 2: trust God. And by by saying that, I'm not saying 256 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 2: that someone that decides to have concealed cary and actually 257 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 2: use a weapon isn't trusting God. I'm just speaking for myself, 258 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 2: and I think i'd be speaking to for a lot 259 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: within the culture, it's a step of faith to decide 260 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 2: to not put yourself in that position where you have 261 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 2: to make that choice. And a lot of times, you know, 262 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 2: we would look at the scripture where Jesus would would 263 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 2: have told his disciples that he that lives by the 264 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 2: sword will die by the sword paraphrasing there. Sure, but 265 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 2: that if you decide to have that as your protection, 266 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 2: then very likely that will have to be your protection. 267 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: That's just something to think about. 268 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 3: Now. 269 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 2: Great, I would love to hear your thoughts. I don't 270 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 2: know if you have any other questions for me, I'd 271 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 2: be happy to answer. That's just the short version of 272 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: kind of where we find ourselves. 273 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: That's that's building up to it. So now it happens 274 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: you're saying your answer is I don't know what I 275 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: would do but I'm not putting myself in a position 276 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: to have something readily available to kill, right. 277 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: Okay, Yes, that's not saying that I wouldn't use what 278 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 2: I have to try to take care of the situation. 279 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 2: But for sure i'd be crying out to the Lord 280 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 2: in a situation that like that, knowing that he's actually 281 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 2: seeing what's happening, and that it's certainly not in my 282 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 2: heart to It's not from a position of being a 283 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 2: coward or a position of not shouldering my responsibility. We 284 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 2: want to shoulder our responsibility as men with all our 285 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 2: hearts in our culture. But it would be the Anabaptists, 286 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 2: and the position of non resistance would largely be taken 287 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 2: from Jesus attitude of if my servants, if my disciples 288 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 2: were of this world, if my kingdom was of this world, 289 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 2: then would my servants fight. I think that's how he 290 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 2: said it. If my kingdom was of this world, then 291 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 2: would my servants servants fight? But now my kingdom's not 292 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: not from here, And based on that, he let the 293 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 2: Jews and the Romans capture him and cify him. And 294 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: whether that's a totally accurate interpretation of that verse, I 295 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 2: think that's where a kind of a foundational verse for 296 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 2: the Mennonites to live a non resistant life, and it's 297 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 2: been a blessed life. You know, the Mennonites were severely 298 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 2: persecuted when they first broke off of the Catholic Church 299 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 2: back in the beginning of like in the fifteen hundreds, 300 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 2: and it was their non resistant stance that really made 301 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 2: them who they were. It was kind of their their 302 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 2: foundation of one of their foundational beliefs away from the beginning. 303 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 2: So there's just some stuff to think about. 304 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have a problem with anything you said, 305 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: and I don't know if I would answer it differently. 306 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: I love though, I love the idea that I'm not 307 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: going to have something on me that would tempt me 308 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: to taking a life because I've I've joked in the 309 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: past with Amber like as a Christian, Well, I'm taking 310 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: out all the kneecaps. I'm gonna take out their kneecaps 311 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna preach the gospel to them. 312 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 2: I can't say that. 313 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: My head as I'm wrapping a tourniquet around their leg 314 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: in my living room. Yes, in the middle of the night, 315 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: I'm wrapping a tourniquet around their leg and telling them 316 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: about Jesus with nine to one one in my left hand. 317 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: You know that's I like that, I do, but it's 318 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: going to another level saying and I'm also not going 319 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: to have anything in my house that would tempt me 320 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: to blow in their head off, because who knows in 321 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: that moment if that's what you would be tempted to do. 322 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with your answer. 323 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: I I think, first of all, once again, I have 324 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: to reiterate on this podcast. Right now, we're talking about 325 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: an extreme, isolated occurrence that is very very rare. To 326 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: sleep with a pistol under your pillow for this kind 327 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: of scenario is as like winning the lottery if it 328 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 1: actually happened, especially living in a first world country. And 329 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: there are a lot of people that will disagree, but 330 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: I would challenge them to test their heart and their faith. 331 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 3: If that. 332 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: Resistance in their mind to this idea is coming from 333 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: culture or coming from God. 334 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 2: That's good. 335 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 3: There are biblical. 336 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: Arguments to make for an armed resistance. There are biblical 337 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: arguments from thirteen. For Christians serving in law enforcement or military, 338 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: there is a biblical argument for it, and there's a 339 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: biblical argument against it. People email. You've probably heard all 340 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: the time. I feel a calling to go into the military, 341 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: but I'm now I'm torn as a Christian if I 342 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: should be someone who kills. I know that we have 343 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: a lot of stories in World War Two where there 344 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: was a draft and people went in. They followed the 345 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: Romans thirteen governmental rule of going into the draft because 346 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 1: that's that was the law. But then when they got 347 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: into the to the army, they said, I will not 348 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: carry a weapon. I'll do anything else. I will carry 349 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: the coffee, I'll help with the tourniquets, I'll carry the 350 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: sick out. 351 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 3: But I can't. I can't. 352 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: I need a religious exemption for carrying a weapon. So 353 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:31,199 Speaker 1: we do see a faithful authority to Romans thirteen carrying 354 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: out the law and a faithful observance to Jesus in 355 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: non resistance. So I think it could it can work. 356 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: There's arguments either way. I think if you were going 357 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: to fall on one side and say this is the 358 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 1: side I'm falling on, I think non resistance is decide. 359 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 3: To fall on. 360 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 2: Well. I think sometimes there's not explicit, like you said, 361 00:19:55,080 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 2: arguments both ways. It's not always completely clear or right 362 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 2: and wrong, But sometimes there's blessing that goes with believing 363 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 2: a certain way. The thing with you could say, the 364 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 2: thing that we could fault on as non resistant people 365 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 2: is that non resistance is a lifestyle. It's not just 366 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 2: deciding not to carry a pistol. But often we would 367 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 2: draw a line there, we're not going to kill someone, 368 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 2: but then we really don't live non resistant in other 369 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 2: areas of our life. And for us to really believe that, 370 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 2: you know, we're not typically involved in the court system, 371 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 2: we're not typically involved in we're not considered patriotic, we 372 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 2: don't involve ourselves in governmental affairs in general. Now, Mennonites, 373 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 2: they're kind of on a spectrum of conservative liberal. I 374 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 2: guess that's the right words to use. But sure there's 375 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 2: some that are more involved than others, for sure, But 376 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 2: in general, we would consider that a lifestyle, not just 377 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 2: an instance based or a specific thing like carrying a pistol. 378 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: You're you're doing such a great job, and I'm it's 379 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: occurring to me as we're talking that I also don't 380 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: want to put you in a in a situation because 381 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: you are a pastor representing your church, and you're also 382 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: representing a culture and and there are many Mennonites that 383 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: listen to this podcast, many Amish, which maybe we could 384 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: talk later about the difference between the two, since a 385 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: lot of people associate the two cultures together. 386 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 3: Even though they're not. 387 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: So I don't want to put you in this situation. 388 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: I don't I don't okay, put in I don't want 389 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: to put you. 390 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 3: I don't want to put you in a corner. 391 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 2: It feels like an opportunity for me. 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However, we're also planning 453 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: on starting a family very soon, Lord Willing, considering you 454 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: have chickens, goats, and children, do you think would be 455 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: unwise for us to get children and goats now as 456 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: we begin trying to start a family, we both work 457 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: full time jobs out outside of the home. In case 458 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 1: that pays for in case that plays in a factor 459 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: of your opinion. Thanks for all you do, Sonja. I 460 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: think that's how you say it's Sonja. Okay, So thinking 461 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: about this question, you are newlyweds. Congratulations on twenty acres. 462 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: That's incredible for newlyweds. What a blessing that is. And 463 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: you're considering getting some animals. But you're wondering if it's 464 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 1: unwise to get chickens and goats. Why do you think 465 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: she asked that? Do you know why she asked that? 466 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if there'd be a financial thing. 467 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 2: I was thinking more maybe a responsibility thing of needing 468 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 2: someone maybe to care for them while they're busy with 469 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 2: If they have a young baby or something. I don't know. 470 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: So this is it's a heart position, Sonja. It's going 471 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: to be a where's your heart in this? Are you 472 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: needing to work your job and your husband's needed to 473 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: work his job so that you could pay for the 474 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 1: twenty acres and then you're going to get animals that 475 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: you're going to have an extra responsibility, and then you 476 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: want children. I think that might be starting to get 477 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: unwise because now you don't have time to be with 478 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: the children, and your husband definitely doesn't. So if that's 479 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: what you're asking, I think, yes, I would say unwise, 480 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: but I'm not sure if that's what you mean. But 481 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: I do know you said we both work full time 482 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: jobs outside of the home. 483 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 3: If that is. 484 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: An absolute requirement to keep up with the payments, say 485 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: it's a problem. 486 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 3: You agree with that, Mark. 487 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 2: Yes, it's easy to in society around us to think, well, 488 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 2: that's just a normal thing that they the husband and 489 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 2: the wife work, and you often will. Your lifestyle reflects 490 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 2: that where you both have to work. Yeah, and it's 491 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 2: hard to it's hard to have a concept of just 492 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 2: the husband working and the wife being a stay at 493 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 2: home I've seen time and again we're often it's normal 494 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 2: for when you have a new baby that the mom 495 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 2: stays home just long enough until she kind of gets 496 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 2: on her feet, and when the baby's ready, they go 497 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 2: off to daycare and she goes back to work to 498 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 2: support a lifestyle. But my opinion would be twenty acres 499 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 2: isn't worth the sacrifice. If that's what it. 500 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 1: Takes you said to support a lifestyle, that's the key 501 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: we're not talking about. Husband has a back injury from 502 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: falling off the ladder, mom has to go to work 503 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: to make ends meet. You guys have a one betroom 504 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: apartment in the city. You're doing the best you can 505 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 1: just to put beans in the pot. It's not what 506 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: we're talking about. We're saying supporting a lifestyle of a 507 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: twenty acre farm in Middle Tennessee with animals and you're working. 508 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 3: Two jobs to keep that up. I would say. 509 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: Downgrade the life style until you reach a point where 510 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 1: you go, I am fully available for children. And then 511 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 1: if you could if you could buy chickens and have 512 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 1: chickens roaming around the property and you could hold you 513 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: could hold your possessions with open palms. I love to 514 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: think of it. If you were if you have clothesed 515 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: fists around these possessions in terms of I have to work, 516 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: I have to do, we have to fulfill this, and 517 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: then once we get it, we have to hang on 518 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: to it. And if we'd be devastated it, if we 519 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: had to share it with anyone, we would be devastated. 520 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: Then your heart position has to be readjusted. I think 521 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: that's what you're asking. 522 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is probably a dream come true for them 523 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 2: to have a twenty acre farm as newlyweds. But this 524 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 2: would be my thoughts that children are a gift from God. 525 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 2: Chickens and goats aren't necessarily and those may be able 526 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 2: to come in time, but don't don't turn your dream 527 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 2: into a nightmare. 528 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 3: That's a great point. 529 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: So, speaking of twenty acre farms chickens, what's the difference 530 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: between Amish and Mennonites. 531 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 2: Probably the size of their farms. Uh So, the just 532 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,239 Speaker 2: as a quick history thing that the Mennonites would have 533 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 2: came from the Catholic Church, and after the Mennonites were 534 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 2: a people for some time, the Amish actually broke off 535 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 2: of the of the Mennonites. And wow, there's uh, there's 536 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 2: a lot of so Jacob Ahmond would have been the 537 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 2: where the Amish name would have come from from the 538 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 2: name Amen. And so I'm not sure, your little brothers, 539 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 2: I guess you could say it that way. 540 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 3: Uh. 541 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:45,479 Speaker 2: The the Amish would they would have they would believe 542 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 2: in salvation, but that would vary some by by. Again, 543 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 2: the there's different am there's a spectrum of Amish just 544 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 2: for practical purposes. There's there's old order and there's new. 545 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 2: But then there's also a lot of different sects of 546 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 2: Amish in that and they would typically in their range, 547 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 2: it would it would all be dependent on lifestyle. Now, 548 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 2: the commonality of the Amish was they generally they can't 549 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 2: have cars, so they drive horse and buggy or the 550 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 2: higher driver to take them places. But it would mostly 551 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,719 Speaker 2: be along lifestyle, and it would be very much. They 552 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 2: would generally look at separation from the world would be 553 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 2: a physical thing. So their foundational belief is that God, 554 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 2: from what I understand, is that God never changes and 555 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 2: so therefore if we follow God, we should never change. 556 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 2: And so that's kind of why the Amish could appear 557 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 2: stuck in time because they take that very literally. But 558 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 2: there's a lot of a lot of man made well, 559 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 2: it's a man made system, but it's from the way 560 00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 2: they interpret certain scripture verses. And whenever you have a 561 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 2: man made system that strong, there's a strong authority that 562 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 2: goes with it. And there's also there's a lot of rules, 563 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 2: and of course when you have a lot of rules, 564 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 2: well then you still have humans are humans, no matter 565 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 2: if they're Amish or not. And so there's a lot 566 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 2: of bending and twisting and reshaping and and so it's 567 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 2: amazing how some of the Amish find ways to actually 568 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 2: still have fairly modern conveniences without really breaking the rules. 569 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 2: It's it's ingenuity at its finest. 570 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: So I saw something similar with the Orthodox Jews, and yes, 571 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: okay that broughably some similarities. 572 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 3: They find ways around rules that they have. 573 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 2: Made, and us Mennonites are not all that different. Sometimes. 574 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's an interpretation from scripture, and a rule 575 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: is made from an interpretation, and then in order to 576 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: live a modern life, there's exceptions made or not exceptions. 577 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: There's around the rules that they have made from the interpretation. 578 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: It's so interesting. Yes, with Jews, we're not talking about 579 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: the Bible, we're talking about the Torah. But on the Sabbath, 580 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: you can't use an elevator. You can't push an elevator button. Amazing, 581 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: So everybody has made sabbath elevators that go up to 582 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: the top floor and then back down one floor at 583 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: a time, so that you could just walk in. The 584 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: door opens and you walk in, and you ride it 585 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: up till you get to your place and it opens 586 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: and you walk out. 587 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 3: So it's just a way around. You're still riding the elevator. 588 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: Yes, you're still using the modern convenience of the electric elevator. 589 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 2: That type of mindset does make for so many inconsistencies, 590 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 2: and we could talk a lot about that. But what 591 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,719 Speaker 2: the Amish do well at is their very strong community. 592 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 2: They're very loyal to each other. Yes, they have usually 593 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 2: big families and amazing craftsmen. Yes, maybe they have passed 594 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 2: on a quality work ethic very well. They put high 595 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 2: marks on that I believe, and so the there's things 596 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 2: the Amish have. Uh, they're really a throwback in time 597 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 2: that they live with values and in in some ways Mennonites. 598 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 2: The similarities would be that we both believe at some 599 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 2: level that being separate from the world affects our lifestyle, 600 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 2: affects us In a in a physical way, but the 601 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 2: Mennonites have typically decided to live with more modern conveniences 602 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 2: in our in the way we live our life. We 603 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 2: drive vehicles, we we buy our clothes for the most part. 604 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 2: Now that that depends on where who you are. If 605 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 2: you're a real conservative Mennonite, they may, especially the women, 606 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 2: may make their their dresses. But the Amish would for 607 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 2: the most part, uh make all of their clothes, or 608 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 2: they may have somebody Amish make clothes, and may we 609 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 2: sell them in a store in an Amish store. But 610 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 2: their their pants and shirts and even their I think 611 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 2: often their shoes, and you know, the dresses, their head coverings. 612 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 2: All of that is all made by Amish, to my understanding, 613 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 2: and often homemade. 614 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: When I go to Pennsylvania, I love to buy or Indiana, 615 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 1: I love to buy from from the Amish store. In fact, 616 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 1: we have two former Amish that make our chicken coop, 617 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: our our garden, my greenhouse. We have actually the Roman Cross. 618 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: I have her in the backyard, made by Amish. Because 619 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: their work ethic and their their precision craftsmanship is unmatched. 620 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 2: They also very one thing they do almost exclusively. They 621 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 2: pass on a language, the Pennsylvania Dutch language. The men 622 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 2: Andites do that, some the Amish do it much better. 623 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 2: Can you speak it ikon i khondaj? Yeah, he switched that. 624 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 2: Sell them my Ash language. Vest That means yes, I 625 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 2: can talk Dutch, I'm fluent in it and I Dutch 626 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 2: was my first language. I knew that before I knew English. 627 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 3: I did not know that more. 628 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: Wow, fascinating conversation. Okay, let's get to another question here. 629 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 1: It's from Shyenne. Says Hey Granger. My husband and I 630 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: are twenty six years old, brand new parents of a 631 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: little boy. We've been together for eight years and have 632 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: gone through many trials together, loss of parents, siblings, miscarriages, etc. 633 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 3: All of which have. 634 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: Made us struggle with our faith throughout these years. While 635 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: I began and continuously work on my relationship with the Lord, 636 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,280 Speaker 1: my husband will often challenge or mock me when I speak. 637 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: My worry is that our son will grow up hearing 638 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,479 Speaker 1: some of these things. How can I continue to help 639 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: and encourage my husband through this process? And how could 640 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,760 Speaker 1: I help lead my son? Any advice would be helpful. 641 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: I love what you do and how you speak love 642 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: and light into the world. 643 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 3: Thanks for it all. 644 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 1: All right, Cheyenne, I'm sorry for this tough situation you're in, 645 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,720 Speaker 1: being so young, twenty six, you have been together eight years, 646 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:13,720 Speaker 1: and it sounds like you are a Christian. It sounds 647 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 1: like and your husband is not. Is it kind of 648 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:16,320 Speaker 1: what you're getting? 649 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 2: Yes, And. 650 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: Thankfully the Bible does talk about this, talks about scenarios 651 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: like this. 652 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 2: Are they married? Does it say the Mary? 653 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,479 Speaker 3: That's an interesting question. I don't think I noticed. I don't. 654 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: Yes, my husband, Okay, my husband and I are twenty 655 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: twenty six years old, brand new parents to a little boy. Well, 656 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,240 Speaker 1: the first answer for a Christian, China, if you're a Christian, 657 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,280 Speaker 1: the first answer is you pray. 658 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 3: You pray for him, You pray for. 659 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: Your husband, and you pray for your little boy, and 660 00:36:54,880 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: you beg the Lord for him. And you have an 661 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:08,760 Speaker 1: opportunity through your serving them and through through the love 662 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,799 Speaker 1: that you have for them, you have an opportunity to 663 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:15,919 Speaker 1: be a witness through that so that the Bible says 664 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: that there is a way that you could break him down, 665 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: so that he ends up thinking, how could you be 666 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,319 Speaker 1: so joyful? How could you still serve me even when 667 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: I'm angry with you? How could you still look at 668 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,320 Speaker 1: me and love me. And your answer is the Lord. 669 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: There is a testimony in that that is true. 670 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 3: And I would, I would. 671 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: I would prioritize praying for your own strength to do 672 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 1: that and for His salvation over I would prioritize that 673 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: over all the other things like going to church when 674 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: he doesn't go, a counsel with the the other women 675 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 1: at the possible, having a pastor meet. All that stuff's important. 676 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,360 Speaker 1: But I would just I would, I would pray like 677 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:11,879 Speaker 1: it all depends on God. 678 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 3: What do you think about this, Marv? 679 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 2: So one of the one of the things I would 680 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 2: certainly encourage her with is what was her name, Chyenne? Chyenne. 681 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 2: One thing I would encourage you with, Cheyenne is to 682 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 2: make sure that you're in a local church, and maybe 683 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 2: you are. If you are, surround yourself with support, share 684 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 2: your story with someone that can walk through with you 685 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:49,319 Speaker 2: a little, a little encouragement for you. Is my back 686 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 2: in twenty ten, well before twenty ten, like two thousand 687 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 2: and eight, two thousand and nine, my wife and I 688 00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 2: had been married about five years, and I was not 689 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,279 Speaker 2: who I was supposed to be as a husband or 690 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 2: as a as a Christian, and my wife knew that, 691 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 2: and she took it upon herself to start praying for me, 692 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 2: and she prayed. She had a card that had a 693 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 2: prayer for her husband on it that she committed to 694 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 2: praying every day, and she prayed that prayer faithfully and 695 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:31,919 Speaker 2: I had no idea. And it was through that when 696 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 2: my life became so miserable that I actually was unwilling 697 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 2: to go further and ended up I was miserable in 698 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,760 Speaker 2: every area of my life. Now was that that doesn't 699 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 2: sound like a good thing, but it was the best 700 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 2: thing that ever happened to me because it drove me 701 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 2: to finding something better. And when my life changed, which 702 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 2: I went home one day from work, I had reached 703 00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 2: the end of myself and I am desperate, grabbed a 704 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 2: Bible and started reading. I had to find out if 705 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,759 Speaker 2: I was a Christian or not, and and my life 706 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 2: totally changed that day. My eyes were opened and that 707 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 2: was the beginning. That was my rebirth. And after that, 708 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 2: my wife said, I've been praying for you and it's 709 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 2: never been the same. So that's that's what I would 710 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,359 Speaker 2: encourage you, is just pray, pray, pray, commit yourself to that, 711 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 2: and then don't pray out of desperation, pray out of praise, 712 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 2: and pray in faith. There's it's very important to to 713 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 2: pray cast your husband. You could say on him and 714 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:41,880 Speaker 2: then leave him there and otherwise. What Granger said is wonderful. 715 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 2: Just stay, stay in the word and pray for yourself 716 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 2: as well. But get that connection with the Father is 717 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 2: how you're going to get through this. 718 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 1: That's incredible. Wow, Chyenne, what a blessing that you have. 719 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 1: You have Marv to give you the other side of 720 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 1: this whole sinna. That is fantastic. Next question comes from 721 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,359 Speaker 1: Casey and says, Hey, Granger and whoever else might be 722 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,320 Speaker 1: on this podcast, thank you for the music and the 723 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,319 Speaker 1: last and the memories I've had with my friends and 724 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: family because of you and your family. Why is it 725 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:20,840 Speaker 1: so hard to ask for help for what seems like everyone, 726 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,800 Speaker 1: especially if someone you don't know a lot about yourself. 727 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,279 Speaker 1: Let me read this again. Why is it so hard 728 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:34,440 Speaker 1: to ask for help for what seems like everyone, especially 729 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: if it's something you don't know a lot about yourself. 730 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:40,919 Speaker 3: I'm not sure what he means by. 731 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 2: That, hmm. I would be meaning why is it so 732 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 2: hard to ask for help? Because it said something about 733 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 2: because you don't know a lot about something like kind 734 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,840 Speaker 2: of the idea that it's hard to humble ourselves to 735 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,440 Speaker 2: actually ask. We already feel like we should know. Is 736 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 2: that kind of what you're gathering. 737 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think so. And so Casey, it sounds 738 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 1: like this is a this is a lesson and vulnerability 739 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,760 Speaker 1: for you, And maybe there's a little bit of pride 740 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,840 Speaker 1: of showing showing other people that you might not know everything, 741 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: and that. 742 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,399 Speaker 3: Is for especially for guys, that that is a thing, 743 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:26,880 Speaker 3: you know. 744 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,279 Speaker 1: I remember my dad was so good at at just 745 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,319 Speaker 1: asking questions and not worrying about if people thought he 746 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 1: was stupid for asking the question. Because so many times 747 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,080 Speaker 1: we go through life and I'm guilty of this. We 748 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,799 Speaker 1: go through life just kind of listening and agreeing, and 749 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 1: inside you're thinking, I wish I could ask more about this, 750 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 1: but I don't want to slow this conversation down, or 751 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't wanna Surely I should 752 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,719 Speaker 1: know this answer and I don't. So Casey, it's a 753 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,760 Speaker 1: it's a practice of vulnerability to say, because when people 754 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 1: do that do that to me, I never think, oh, 755 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,320 Speaker 1: this guy's so stupid. I always think, Wow, it's great 756 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 1: to sometimes slow down and to help explain, because that's 757 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,400 Speaker 1: the only way we learn. So Casey, I think that's 758 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 1: what this is about, is you starting small and practicing 759 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 1: the art of saying, hang on a second, guys, can 760 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:27,759 Speaker 1: you explain that one more time? 761 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 3: I don't know a lot about this. 762 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,239 Speaker 1: I think you'll be surprised when you start doing that 763 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 1: that people don't look at you like you're dumb. They 764 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 1: actually look at you like you're more intelligent, because you 765 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:44,439 Speaker 1: want to actually know more about a certain subject. Bill 766 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,200 Speaker 1: says Granger Love your podcast. I'm twenty three, live in Oklahoma. 767 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,719 Speaker 1: I have a great job. I've accomplished a lot at 768 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,920 Speaker 1: my age, and so I plan on staying at this 769 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,600 Speaker 1: job for a long time. My parents are split up, 770 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,920 Speaker 1: but I have my own house that doesn't affect me 771 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 1: as much as my younger brother. Last May, my dad's 772 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:08,319 Speaker 1: house burned to the ground, so I'll so I let 773 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,280 Speaker 1: him stay with me temporarily. It's been almost ten months. 774 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 1: I feel like having him living with me puts a 775 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,839 Speaker 1: cap on my potential. I've lived by myself for two 776 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,480 Speaker 1: years before last May. I know the Bible says honor 777 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,160 Speaker 1: your father and mother, but how long is too long 778 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,360 Speaker 1: for this to continue. It also puts a burden on 779 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 1: my relationship with my mom because she can't come to 780 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 1: my house anymore, and all my friends and his friends 781 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 1: tell me that he's never going to move out. I 782 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,279 Speaker 1: think it puts a damper on my relationship because I 783 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,319 Speaker 1: don't feel like I'm independent anymore, especially when he asked, well, 784 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 1: ask where I'm going all the time. I'm afraid that 785 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,680 Speaker 1: it's going to hinder our relationship if something doesn't change. 786 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,879 Speaker 1: He can afford a new house, but he chooses not 787 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,680 Speaker 1: to look. I think part of him doesn't want to 788 00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,799 Speaker 1: move out because he gets to see me every day 789 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 1: and my brother and at the same time every other week. 790 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:07,320 Speaker 1: I am thinking about how the right way to react 791 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,319 Speaker 1: is God blessing, thanks for all that you do for 792 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 1: a small town kids. 793 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:12,320 Speaker 3: Bill. 794 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:19,480 Speaker 1: Okay, that's an interesting question. Bill twenty three, young young 795 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,680 Speaker 1: going through this. Dad is living with you and he 796 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,239 Speaker 1: has been for two years because his house burned down. 797 00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:33,560 Speaker 1: You are worried about violating honoring him, and you don't 798 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:39,279 Speaker 1: want to be also abused and taken advantage of. So 799 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,200 Speaker 1: I think your reaction to this and your question is 800 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:47,840 Speaker 1: valid and normal. How do you answer this guy mar Well. 801 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,080 Speaker 2: For one thing, I'm thinking of how unique the question 802 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,840 Speaker 2: is the situation is, because usually it's the other way around. 803 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,200 Speaker 2: Usually Dad has a son living at home that won't leave, 804 00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 2: and it's a hard situation. One of the first things 805 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,200 Speaker 2: I would say is you're gonna have to have a 806 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,080 Speaker 2: conversation with him, and maybe you have already. If not, 807 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,680 Speaker 2: that probably has to be one of the next things 808 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:15,480 Speaker 2: that happens. But this is a situation where again, are 809 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:20,320 Speaker 2: you in a church regularly. This would be where somebody 810 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,320 Speaker 2: around you could give you some great advice and walk 811 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:27,040 Speaker 2: through this with you, because it is a balance. It's 812 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,239 Speaker 2: a hard situation with you being the son and you 813 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,080 Speaker 2: want to honor your father, and bless you in that, 814 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 2: by the way for having that desire or realizing that 815 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:40,240 Speaker 2: that's important to honor your father. But honor doesn't always 816 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,640 Speaker 2: mean just accommodate. And so how does that look like 817 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 2: to move forward and honor and while still you know, 818 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 2: being taken advantage of is one of the hardest things 819 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,759 Speaker 2: to deal with. When you feel taken advantage of, all 820 00:46:53,800 --> 00:47:01,279 Speaker 2: of your perseverance, all of your your endurance, it's challenged. 821 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,319 Speaker 2: And so that's one thing that that is very hard. 822 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,160 Speaker 2: And I recognize that when you feel taken advantage of 823 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,120 Speaker 2: and you know, I don't know if you're a Christian 824 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:16,640 Speaker 2: or not, but but pray about it and share it 825 00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,400 Speaker 2: with somebody and you that can walk through this with you. 826 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,920 Speaker 2: But whatever happens, if you have, if you have the 827 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,840 Speaker 2: the standard of honoring your father, but realize that honor 828 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,400 Speaker 2: isn't always accommodation. But if you move forward with that 829 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:32,799 Speaker 2: in mind, I think you'll do the right thing. 830 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:40,200 Speaker 1: Wow, that's really good. Honoring does not equal accommodating. And 831 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,120 Speaker 1: I get that question. You've probably heard that a lot. 832 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:46,040 Speaker 1: The how do I honor a father or a mother 833 00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,880 Speaker 1: who is doesn't seem worthy of that honor? And so 834 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,719 Speaker 1: there's nuance there. Yes, okay, well what is honoring? What 835 00:47:54,800 --> 00:48:00,560 Speaker 1: does that mean? Yes, it doesn't necessarily mean trusting. No, 836 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,720 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that you welcome an alcoholic into your house. 837 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:10,759 Speaker 1: That's not honoring. So I think the only thing that 838 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,560 Speaker 1: I think Marv's answer is great, and I think my 839 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,920 Speaker 1: part in this conversation would be to dig in on 840 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,239 Speaker 1: what it looks like practically to have that conversation with him. 841 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,960 Speaker 3: Yes, I think we and. 842 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:27,640 Speaker 1: Bill it's not easy to break ice like this, but 843 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,920 Speaker 1: it looks something like taking him out of the distracted 844 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,560 Speaker 1: world and saying, Dad, I'd like to Maybe you even 845 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:37,880 Speaker 1: set it up where, Dad, I like to have some 846 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,600 Speaker 1: coffee with you one of these days to kind of 847 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,040 Speaker 1: discuss some things so that you're then you're acknowledging that 848 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,960 Speaker 1: you want to have a conversation. This isn't something you're 849 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,520 Speaker 1: having in the kitchen while you're making an omelet or 850 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,080 Speaker 1: he's walking out of the door and grabbing his coat. Dad, 851 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:53,640 Speaker 1: I want to tell you about how long you're going 852 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,200 Speaker 1: to live in the house. Let's actually pick a time 853 00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,319 Speaker 1: and go, Dad, it's three o'clock on Friday, a good time, 854 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,120 Speaker 1: have some coffe and talk about some things so that 855 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,440 Speaker 1: you're at a table and it's one on one, and 856 00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,200 Speaker 1: maybe even have some stuff written down so he knows 857 00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,759 Speaker 1: you're serious. And you start with, just like you said, Dad, 858 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,040 Speaker 1: I love you. I want to honor you. I feel 859 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,680 Speaker 1: like it's the right thing for me to honor you, 860 00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,680 Speaker 1: and I just want to say how grateful I am 861 00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,359 Speaker 1: to have a great dad that has raised me and 862 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,919 Speaker 1: prepared me for life in so many ways. For the 863 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:32,280 Speaker 1: twenty six to twenty three years, But I do Dad 864 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:38,200 Speaker 1: want to talk about our living situation, and I kind 865 00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,080 Speaker 1: of want to hear from you because I'm listen. I'm 866 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,800 Speaker 1: happy dad to support you, and I'm happy to help 867 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,160 Speaker 1: you out in your time of need. But I would 868 00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,040 Speaker 1: like to respectfully know how long is this so I 869 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:56,000 Speaker 1: could plan ahead with my bills, with my life, with 870 00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,840 Speaker 1: my own independence, as I'm growing, as I'm thinking about 871 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,879 Speaker 1: work and possibly a wife one day. Can you give 872 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:08,200 Speaker 1: me a timeframe, open up the door and see where 873 00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:09,560 Speaker 1: that kind of conversation goes. 874 00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:16,080 Speaker 2: Right. One thing that caught my attention was that you 875 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,480 Speaker 2: mentioned he you think the one reason he likes to 876 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,560 Speaker 2: stay there is because he likes to see you. That's 877 00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:27,720 Speaker 2: actually pretty special, and don't take that lightly. A song 878 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,920 Speaker 2: that keeps coming into my head is I think it's 879 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,759 Speaker 2: titled The Cats and the Cradle. If you don't know 880 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,960 Speaker 2: that song, go listen to it. Ricky skagg sings and 881 00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:40,120 Speaker 2: multiple other people. But maybe there's some of that in 882 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:45,560 Speaker 2: your situation and value that value that your dad wants 883 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,520 Speaker 2: to see you, and kind of have that in your 884 00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,919 Speaker 2: mind and appreciate it maybe before you start the conversation, just. 885 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,080 Speaker 1: The thought, you know, in just a few weeks as 886 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,440 Speaker 1: we record this podcast. In a few weeks, actually, in 887 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,080 Speaker 1: one week will be ten years to the day I 888 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,600 Speaker 1: lost my dad. And it's interesting as we kind of 889 00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:11,319 Speaker 1: wrap up this podcast too, because Maverick, my son, was 890 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:16,279 Speaker 1: waking up this morning and excuse me. He was going 891 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:20,640 Speaker 1: to bed last night and Amber put him down and 892 00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,919 Speaker 1: she said, he wants you to go tell him a story, 893 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,840 Speaker 1: because I always tell him a story at night to 894 00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:26,560 Speaker 1: put him down. 895 00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:27,279 Speaker 3: And it's always the same. 896 00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,560 Speaker 1: I make up this story about a little boy on 897 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,719 Speaker 1: a tractor and he's driving in the green grass and. 898 00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,040 Speaker 3: He sees all these animals. 899 00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,319 Speaker 1: He sees a grasshopper, and he sees a bird, and 900 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,040 Speaker 1: he sees a gorilla and gets back in the tractor 901 00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,400 Speaker 1: and drives and I just make it up and we 902 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:45,960 Speaker 1: talk about what the gorilla says. So I'm watching him 903 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,319 Speaker 1: on the little Amber's little monitor and she says, he's 904 00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:53,360 Speaker 1: waiting on you, and should we just let him fall asleep, 905 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,279 Speaker 1: And I thought, no, I'll go in there. And I 906 00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,600 Speaker 1: walk into the room and open the door and his 907 00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,239 Speaker 1: eyes slide up, and I went and laid down with 908 00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,120 Speaker 1: him and start telling him the story. But it made 909 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:08,600 Speaker 1: me think about the way I reacted when my dad 910 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,880 Speaker 1: would walk into wherever I was. My brothers and I 911 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,640 Speaker 1: were sleeping and seeing him walk in, and it made 912 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,919 Speaker 1: me then reflect on the fact that it's been ten 913 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:23,919 Speaker 1: years since I've seen his face. And I think that's 914 00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:28,240 Speaker 1: an interesting perspective Bill, as we talk about this, because 915 00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,520 Speaker 1: most likely, the odds are most likely you will lose 916 00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,680 Speaker 1: your dad and you will look back in a decade 917 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,760 Speaker 1: we'll go by like that and you'll say, man, I remember, 918 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,560 Speaker 1: I remember when Dad's house burned down and he lived you. 919 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,960 Speaker 3: Guys, remember when Dad's house burned down. He lived with 920 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:46,320 Speaker 3: me for two years. 921 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,160 Speaker 1: And then you'll look back and you won't look back 922 00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,279 Speaker 1: in contempt of that. You'll let back and go thank 923 00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,120 Speaker 1: God that he lived with me, and I got closer 924 00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:56,879 Speaker 1: than I ever did. 925 00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:01,279 Speaker 2: There's so many things that I basically hated when I 926 00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,560 Speaker 2: was young that I would never trade today that maybe 927 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:05,320 Speaker 2: one of them. 928 00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:10,279 Speaker 1: Absolutely Well, we love you, guys. It's been such an 929 00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,440 Speaker 1: honor having you more. It's been an honor to be 930 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,480 Speaker 1: here the first podcast listener turned guest. 931 00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,960 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me on Granger, appreciate your brother 932 00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:18,839 Speaker 2: special see y'all. 933 00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,880 Speaker 1: Gee, thanks for joining me on the Grangersmith Podcast. I 934 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,520 Speaker 1: appreciate all of you guys. You could help me out 935 00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:29,279 Speaker 1: by rating this podcast on iTunes. If you're on YouTube, subscribe. 936 00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:29,480 Speaker 3: To this channel. 937 00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,920 Speaker 1: Hit that little like button and notification spell so that 938 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,120 Speaker 1: you never miss anytime I upload a video. 939 00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:36,920 Speaker 3: Yigi