WEBVTT - How Tarot Cards (Might) Work 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:04.680 From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:09.080 riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:12.119 learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:13.920 production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:29.160 Hello, welcome back to the show. Is this your card? 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:30.040 My name is Matt. 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:31.720 Now, yeah, my name is Noah, and this is not 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:32.200 my card. 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:35.199 They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:39.760 super producer, Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagott. Most importantly, you 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:43.440 are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:47.880 they don't want you to know. And tonight, fellow conspiracy realists, 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:51.879 we are exploring something we, oddly enough, have not covered 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:56.120 for quite some time. Over almost two decades. We never 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:57.440 got to tarot cards. 0:00:57.440 --> 0:00:58.720 How is that even possible? 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:02.840 And we read the cards. We have very good news. 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:05.800 You could see a picture of the shore. Here. We 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:12.040 are hanging out on a stuff themed Virgin Voyages cruise 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:14.800 this October. Guys couldn't be more excited. 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:17.319 And by stuff we mean all of the shows with 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:20.040 stuff in the name, not all, but some of our 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.440 favorites and some of our best friends, Josh and Chuck. 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:24.639 Stuff you shouldn't know, right, Stuff they don't. 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.360 Want you to know will be joined by the dal 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:29.559 Moodies themselves, Josh and Chuck. 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:32.039 Oh my gosh, yes, I'm so excited. Also, stuff, Mom 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:34.440 never told you what are stuffs? 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:36.600 The best stuff is going to be you on the 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:38.760 cruise with us because we get to hang out, like 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:40.520 actually just hang out. 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:41.440 On the show. 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:44.440 Sometimes we even go off the ship to do things 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:50.200 in Bermuda. What yes with you? Shall we excure? We 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:53.440 can't wait for you to join us. From October second 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:56.600 to the seventh, we're heading out of New York. We're 0:01:56.640 --> 0:02:00.000 going through the Caribbean. We could not be more excited. 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:04.280 Let's see, I got another water tarot card here. Have 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:06.880 you guys ever used tarot cards? 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:10.840 Well, it's funny you should ask ben. I very recently 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:16.160 had my first ever professional tarot reading. I was in 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:19.119 New York City hanging out with a friend and we 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:21.640 decided to try one out. And so we found a 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:25.120 place that was in the walking distance and it wasn't cheap, 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:29.280 and it was quite bad and my house well it 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:32.720 just it was if it was cold reading, it wasn't 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:36.800 very adept cold reading. The person did say that I 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:41.680 maybe give too much information, like just as a person, 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.200 that I maybe should play things a little closer to 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:47.000 the vest. And I don't know, but it's kind of 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:49.600 funny to say that, considering that you're asking me questions 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:52.200 and I'm answering the questions for you of my ability. 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:56.400 So I felt a little like yeah at a little bit, 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:59.720 and you said they were very New York as well. 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:04.000 New York is as the cheesecake. My friend, I literally said, 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:07.239 you're referring to me and my and my my companion 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:12.200 as use guys, and ironically and just saying use use 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:14.280 refer it was I felt like I was getting cold 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:17.440 red by Tony Soprano. 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:19.640 Watched that episode. I would watch. 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:23.240 Soprano Fortune Teller. That's a new spin off, all right, 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:26.280 James Gandolfini, though can't really make that happen. Maybe Chrissy 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:26.760 could do it. 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:30.760 No, just as uh as more information and please please 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:34.679 don't give too much. Oh what were you wearing when 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:37.080 you when you went to get your tarot red? 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:40.200 I was wearing a hoodie, a zip up hoodie and 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:43.120 a nice button down shirt that was not revealed because 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:44.080 of said hoodie. 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:47.000 Okay, okay, so you were wearing clothing. 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:50.880 Anything about below the belt? My friends, and I am 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:53.080 I'm not going to do impress me on that. No, No, 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:55.160 I was wearing a pant of some sort ofaloon. 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:57.480 No, I'm only asking you because, as we're going to 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:00.880 get into this conversation, a lot of what occurs within 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:04.040 a reading, within you know, an encounter with someone that's 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:06.200 going to be providing that kind of service with you, 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:09.080 occurs before any words are spoken. Oh yeah, yes, when 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.480 the eyes are on you when you walk through a door. 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:18.919 Well, funny enough, this clearly was a family business because 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:21.679 we looked in the window and the door was locked, 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.080 and we kind of had to get people's attention. At 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.120 first we thought they were maybe doing a private event 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:28.640 in the back room, but we realized it was just 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:32.400 the fam kicking it waiting for a customer to approach. 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:33.960 That's how you know what's legit. 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:37.320 Oh, that's what that was my thinking. Initially. Ben Yeh 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:40.839 sad to report did not find it to be particularly compelling. 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:44.680 Well, maybe it's a legitimate rift. Compare it to that's 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:48.960 like a jumbo shrimp, right, yeah, there, it is quite paradoxical. 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:53.320 Let's compare it to how you know a restaurant is 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:56.640 solid if the people who work at the restaurant have 0:04:56.760 --> 0:05:00.840 their kids behind the counter doing homework. That's you know, like. 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:06.240 That's a low key guy Chinese establishment. Perhaps it would 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:07.400 be my experience with that. 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:08.000 Yeah. 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:13.200 Yeah, So we have talked about Tarot cards off air 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:17.600 because we are actually friends folks outside of Netflix or 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:21.800 outside of your favorite podcast platform, and this has always 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:24.920 baffled us. There's a very important question that we want 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:28.599 to address tonight, which is this, what if tarot cards 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:33.640 actually work? What do we mean by work and what 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:38.240 would it mean for the world if tarot cards do 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:40.920 what they say on the tin. We'll be right back 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:50.000 after a word from our sponsors. Here are the facts. 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:54.799 Word of the day cartomancy. Cartomancy is the fancy word 0:05:54.920 --> 0:06:00.200 for telling the future, or fortune telling, or divination through 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:03.240 the use of any kind of paper card. 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:05.760 Yeah, it makes me think of the word another portmanteau. 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:07.600 I guess then maybe a card. No, I think kind 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:11.960 of is car cardistry? Referring to these folks on the 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:17.240 internet who like do all these crazy magic shuffle tricks 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:22.920 undred percent, one could potentially combine cardistry and cartomancy into 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:25.480 cartoman mantistry. 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.880 I love it, admit. What Wait? 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:29.719 What is that? 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:32.120 Wait? What was that we got to wait till the end, 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:36.640 all right, I got it looks. 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:40.200 Right, Oh dude, it looks like some kind of Nickelodeon 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:43.120 tarot card. It looks awesome. 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:47.679 So we know that for a long time, ever since 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:51.800 the invention of cards, or really the invention of any technology, 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:55.280 people have attempted to predict the future or learn more 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:59.240 about the world around them through that thing like pyromancy, 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:03.680 predict in the future through fire right, gaining knowledge in 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.919 a prometheum way. We also know there are these things 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:14.080 called tarot games. So the very first, like the ancestor 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:16.680 of the modern tarot deck that you're going to run 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:19.520 into now if you're in the West, are going to 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:24.720 come to you via Italy from about the fourteen thirties CE. 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:30.880 This is when taro was first known as twunthy. Someone 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:32.880 helped me out, who's better? Which of us is the 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:37.360 best at Italian triphi triomphy? Yeah, there it is. That's good. 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:42.720 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So this this thing is 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:48.600 so old that researchers from Yale made their bones on it. Sorry, 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:50.120 Sopranos is in my head now. 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:54.520 Throwing bones if it might which as well. 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:02.040 A well, gone give it, guys, well done, and I 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:04.800 think there should be a tarot based Italian brain rot 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.760 Trioni Tortllini perhaps. 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:11.080 Oh no, please don't, I did it. 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:14.960 It's too late, man happening. I will did it to existence. 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:19.720 So we know that researchers from Yale did some very 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:27.240 clever watermark forensics to definitively date probably the world's oldest 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:31.240 tarot deck or the world's oldest modern ancestor that goes 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:35.559 back to fourteen thirty seven or fourteen forty two, somewhere 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:40.000 between there, and at that time, folks. As weird as 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:44.760 it will sound, the earliest tarot cards and the earliest 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:50.320 decks were basically a game for idle aristocrats and super 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:51.000 wealthy people. 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:53.040 I've always wondered about that because they do kind of 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:57.960 have suits and associated numbers in a similar way to 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.840 you know, a fifty two card playing card deck. 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:06.280 Yeah, you said, forensic water marking, Ben, I've only heard 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:10.520 of that in like the digital rights management world and 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:13.560 the stuff of you know, tech nowadays. I've never thought 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:18.319 of it as in potentially I'm assuming we're actually talking 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:23.360 about water marks here, maybe, or maybe paper the paper 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:24.400 that was used to create them. 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:26.920 The age of the paper, the age of the ink, 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:32.600 the indentations, which can also tell us about the creation 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:33.840 process at the time. 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:36.600 Dang, I don't know how I didn't know about that 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:39.000 as a term and as a thing. That is so cool. 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:41.720 Look, man, if you were in the Ivory Tower, you 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:45.479 have to really focus in on your area of expertise. 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:47.520 So these folks chose tarot guards. 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:49.559 You know. What it also kind of relates to is 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:53.000 a real good plumber will use forensic water marking to 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:57.240 trace the provenance of a leak. So it's similar set 0:09:57.280 --> 0:09:59.480 of skills. You know, you're basically like your you're a 0:09:59.520 --> 0:09:59.960 water detec. 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:06.400 Yes. So these clever boffins have figured out that what 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:11.080 we call tarot cards in the modern iteration probably do 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:17.199 date back to Italy in the early fifteenth century. And 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:22.800 these cards, again, we cannot emphasize this enough. These cards 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:27.240 again were a game for very wealthy people, the one 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:31.600 percenters of various Italian regions in the day. They expanded 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:36.160 from there throughout Europe with other rich people meeting each 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:42.960 other essentially right and from Italy we see other countries 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:48.160 other regions occasionally putting their own spin upon things. So 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:52.520 the modern standard tarot deck that you might be shuffling now. 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:57.600 Is probably based on the Venetian or Piedmontese tarot. That's 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:01.400 going to be seventy eight cards divided between the twenty 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:07.000 two card major arcana and the fifty six card minor 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.960 ar kana. And we know what major arcana is, right, 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:13.200 that's where that's where you get something that has like 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:17.079 a face on it in a certain direction, and it'd 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.960 be up or down, and it could be you're right, 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:22.440 it could be up or down. And we have the 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:26.800 minor arcana. The other fifty six cards. They're usually going 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:32.120 to come to you in four suits, wands, cups, swords, 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:36.840 or pentacles. Sometimes those are also circles or coins. 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:40.960 And you may be thinking that sounds so familiar. There's 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:47.200 four different types of the card that you could get, right, hmmm, 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.360 I swear I've played a game like that before with cars. 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:51.600 Are you talking about Pokemon? 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:57.240 No? No, I'm just talking about clubs and spades. 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:00.679 I thought you were talking about the different evolutions of 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:05.520 particular Pokemon, because I believe through valid or are there 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:06.960 only three? Maybe only three? Sorry? 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:12.719 The Magician is only a basic uh Pokemon? What does 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:13.160 it become? 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:19.400 Ben becomes the Magician? Might become the sorcerer, right. 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:23.640 And then levels up to the tower. 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:26.280 There's always the higher refin. Let me see, I got 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:29.200 a tower card here, I think, uh, but we uh 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:32.920 will while I'm looking for the tower card. Sorry, guys, 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:36.320 Uh okay, we're going to keep that one. Uh while 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:39.120 we're looking for the tower card. We need to ask 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:45.280 why and how this evolved from a regular garden variety 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:50.559 or court game variety card game into a tool of divination. 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:56.360 The answer probably dates back to French occultist in the 0:12:56.480 --> 0:13:01.040 eighteenth century. From what we know about them. They started 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:06.080 to spin tales in the seventeen hundreds and they were saying, oh, 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:10.319 this is an ancient art descended from Egypt or Greece 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:14.280 or and they were cold reading right Noel Matt, Like 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:17.840 you guys said earlier, they saw someone walk into the room, 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:19.840 they looked at how they were dressed and how they 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:22.840 were moving, and they were like, this guy loves Egypt. 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:27.240 Let's tell them this stuff is Egyptian. So they made 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:31.960 it exotic, and they made it seem ancient, and they 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:37.199 definitely embellished it. The problem is their stories are untrue. 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:40.840 From everything we can find, the origin story of the 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:48.120 taro is fourteen hundreds in Italy and it's pretty popular 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:52.760 in the modern day. Statistically, Folks, you or someone you 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:56.800 know has a tarot deck at home right now as 0:13:56.840 --> 0:14:00.559 we record on May fourth, twenty twenty six, May the 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:01.320 Fourth be with you. 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:03.439 Well, the one I was flashing up, that's all. It 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:08.280 looks holographic, this little thing. This is based on a 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:14.240 dude named Arthur Edward Wait, who was this very fascinating 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:17.480 dude who was into the occult and he had involvement 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:20.440 in the Golden Dawn that we've met about before. 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:21.760 Order at the Golden Dawn. 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.320 Mm hmm, my favorite class from Elden Ring. 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:30.440 Well, then it's really interesting how what you're saying, what 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:33.240 we're talking about here is that other people who have 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:36.600 made further decks, who or who've created newer decks. Right, 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:40.240 he Wait passed away in nineteen forty two, but he 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:45.000 was around since eighteen fifty seven. As people make different 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:48.040 decks they might find somewhere at like an esoteric bookstore 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:52.760 or something, often have symbols and meaning way different or 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:56.160 beyond the meanings that Ben you're describing here that were 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:59.280 originally a part of the decks, like the Hermitic order 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:02.920 one as its own thing going on that is completely 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:07.440 separate or much separate from those original decks. 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:11.200 One hundred percent. Yeah, because in the original tarot decks, 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:14.640 which were part of what we call tarot games, the 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:19.200 major arcata are considered trump cards, right, They're considered big 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:22.000 deal of face cards. They're not about your future, They're 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:28.000 about winning the game. And taro is now increasingly anomalous 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:32.040 in this very secular world it has. It's interesting because 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:36.800 it hasn't been vilified as much as other recent inventions 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.240 like the Ouija board. So people, if you talk to 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:43.800 them here in the West, especially, they're often gonna say 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:47.960 tarot cards are a fun diversion. And other people do 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:52.600 take their readings quite seriously. They might read cards for themselves, 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:57.040 their friends, or to know your point earlier. They might 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:01.680 have regular clients. That person who use guys do through 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:07.040 divination may have people who check in every week. And 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:12.120 we have to ask, was this person using the writer 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:13.040 weight taro. 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.000 It's the traditional one that I'm used to seeing. Yeah, 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:19.360 so yeah, I think the basic og one. And of course, 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:22.640 like you know, like you said, uh, inversions mean something. 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:26.480 It was a it was a couple's reading. It involved 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:28.720 a lot more cards on the table than I'm used 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:30.840 to seeing, But again I don't really know enough to 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:34.560 know if they were doing it quote unquote right, you know. 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:38.640 But it didn't look like a Celtic cross or Celtic cross. Yeah. Okay, 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:42.360 So writer Weight, which should be called writer weaight Smith. 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:45.880 That version of the Tarot Deck is first published in 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:49.280 nineteen o nine by a guy named William Ryder and 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.400 Son or a publishing outfit, and it was based on 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:58.960 the opinions of a guy named A Weight. It's illustrated 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:04.800 by Amla Colman Smith. Now, Weight was an academic of note, 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:09.600 and similar to Parsons, he was also very much an 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:15.320 occultist when that was still seen as something that would 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:20.000 not remove scientific credibility. They were both both Weight and 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:24.520 Smith are members of what we mentioned, the hermetic Order 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:25.360 of the Golden Down. 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:29.120 Dude, this is Weight guy is so fascinating because not 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:31.720 only was he hanging out in the Golden Dawn, he's 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:37.359 a rose Crucian or the Societas rose Crusiana, uh whatever 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:39.119 it is. But he was a part of that. But 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:41.600 he was also a Freemason. Right, So we're when we're 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:45.320 saying in occultest, this dude, is all about some of 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.439 these secret societies, some of these groups that are pretty 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:51.200 close knit. You're not allowed to know the stuff unless 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:53.000 you become a member and you work your way up. 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.840 Similar to what was what was this story? It just 0:17:56.880 --> 0:18:00.320 came out guys, speed running scientificlogy. 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:01.880 Yes, you can't. 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:05.679 You can't get it. You can't become a rose crucion 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:08.200 in the way that Weight was if you just open 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:09.920 a door and run through a couple of hallways. 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:14.480 Yeah, because they don't have the same audit machine. Their 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:18.800 rituals are quite complex, uh and take a long time 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:21.119 and have a lot of sex. 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:26.720 Oh well, well, in the things that I'm talking about with 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:30.720 weight right now, I'm just imagining there is so much 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:36.280 information that gets that gets crushed down into let's say, 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:39.359 a single symbol if you're in the Hermetic Order of 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:41.920 the Golden Dawn, that that one symbol has so much 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:44.720 meaning it can mean various things. Then you add another 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:46.880 symbol next to it, and now you've changed the meaning 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:49.439 of the original one, and you can make these like 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:54.000 endlessly complex concepts just with different symbols, which is what 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:58.080 they do on this other Tarot deck. And it's very 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:00.560 interesting to me thinking about someone in interested in the 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:05.119 occult in this way, guys, as in you are laying 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:09.840 symbols on top of symbols and creating even more complexity. 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:13.879 And then just how that could translate back into someone 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:16.920 giving you a cold reading with a card like let's 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:21.200 say the magician from their medic order. It's got it's 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:23.040 hard to see right here, but if you like pause 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:25.000 that maybe for a second, you can see all of 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:28.800 the different symbols that a reader someone performing the thing 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:31.800 that they did for you, nol. They could pull from 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:35.119 any one of those symbols and apply it somehow to you. 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:40.000 Yeah, it's interpretation. And while the writer weight I think 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:43.200 we should call it the writer weight Smith Tarot decks. 0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:46.639 It's far and away the most popular deck in the West, 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:50.879 but you will find no shortage of other decks in 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:53.520 the game with their own spin on things, like you'll 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:58.400 see the modern Witch tarot deck that uses custom contemporary 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:03.679 artwork based on the riginal system, magical or mechanical, whatever 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:06.240 you want to call it. Also thought of you, Matt, 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:10.919 because while capitalism is pretty in style right now, you 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:15.800 will see tons of bespoke tarot decks that are branded partnerships. 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:19.440 You'll see themed decks for all sorts of stuff, all 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:22.960 sorts of films, your favorite novels. And this is why 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:25.960 I thought of all our fellow Magic the Gathering fans. 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:30.000 It's similar to how the Wizards of the Coast years 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:36.320 back said, let's take MTG across other intellectual properties. Let's 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:39.080 make a Spider Man release, Let's make a Lord of 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:40.080 the Rings. 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:44.199 Release, Ninja Turtles perhaps, yes, yes, you see that Wizards 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:47.760 is doing that. Matt claravoyance in a half shell with 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:48.760 magic cards? 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:53.320 Who thought that already came out great pre release? I 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:55.040 was surprised. It was that. 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:57.720 You know that that muscleman guy Malibu, that guy on 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:00.320 the internet, he loves the magic cards and he was 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:02.719 he was going to the shop and buying the new 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:03.480 Turtles decks. 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:07.520 And that is exactly what tarot cards are doing in 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:11.679 the West. And we'll get into why before we Before 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:15.639 we really get into whether these things work, we should, 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:18.720 in the interest of fairness, talked about how to conduct 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:19.600 a tarot reading. 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:23.040 We should, But can we just acknowledge that there is 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:25.920 a Dungeons and Dragons tarot deck that you can get 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:30.240 right now. It's and it looks amazing. There's also an 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:33.119 MTG tarot deck. You can buy it right now. I 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:34.399 didn't know that, man, Thank you. 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:39.479 So okay, awesome. We're going to read the cards and 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:44.280 I can already sense a disturbance in the universe. Several 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:47.000 of us in the audience just lost a lot of money, 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:49.520 uh thanks to magic the gather. 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:52.119 They keep threatening to get involved, and every time I do, 0:21:52.280 --> 0:21:54.359 Matt just says, I hope you got a bunch of 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:55.480 disposable income. 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:59.040 I'm like, oh, yes, it's like time mostly time. You 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:00.200 gotta have a lot of. 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:03.520 So we'll keep the explanation about how to do a 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:08.200 tarot reading very simple. Think of the major arcana in 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:14.399 your weight deck as the major life event things the 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:18.359 minor arcana. Those four suits can be thought to deal 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:20.919 with more like day to day stuff. So if you 0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:25.879 are a beginner, right, if you square one day one stuff, buddy, 0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:29.199 then you start with a yes or no question, is 0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:33.879 my financial situation going to take a positive direction? Is 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:37.320 my current or future relationship going to work out? This 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:40.360 is a super great way to begin dipping your toes 0:22:40.480 --> 0:22:44.719 into a deck before you graduate to more abstract open 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:48.240 ended queries. So a lot of people are going to 0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:52.760 start with a three card spread. Three card spread, you 0:22:52.800 --> 0:22:56.560 take random cards from the deck and you pull one 0:22:56.680 --> 0:23:00.960 to represent maybe the past, the present, the future. 0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:05.679 One thing that I have heard and I was taught 0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:09.480 is that it is vitally important that the only person 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:16.000 touching touching that is the person that is being read for. Essentially, 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:19.000 you are the target because you are putting your intention 0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:21.919 into the cars as you shuffle them and move them 0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:25.400 around and then potentially make those selections. So if we're 0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:29.200 talking about fate right versus free will versus, how does 0:23:29.240 --> 0:23:32.360 that play into the actual reading itself? If you put 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:34.960 any sand in it at all, It's important that you're 0:23:35.000 --> 0:23:37.359 the one doing it, not you know, the person reading 0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:37.719 for you. 0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:40.399 Yeah, you don't want to get mixed energies, you know 0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:41.199 in the equation. 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:43.560 Yeah, let's get to that part. And also we what 0:23:43.720 --> 0:23:48.000 to acknowledge before we get to that that. Other popular, 0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:53.119 more advanced spreads or constellations or arrangements are going to 0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:56.400 be things like the Celtic Cross. That's a specific layout 0:23:56.440 --> 0:24:00.560 of ten cards. You'll see that pretty often. We've got 0:24:00.600 --> 0:24:03.000 a picture here in the outline as well. This is 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:08.760