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Speaker 2: welcome in great podcast. We're going to start it off

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Speaker 2: with fifteen minutes my observations on the early games, and

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Speaker 2: boy do I have strong opinions on this. I've been

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Speaker 2: very critical of defensive coaches not understanding how to help

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Speaker 2: young quarterbacks. Two examples of this today. So there's about

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Speaker 2: a buck fifty five left tie game twenty eight, twenty eight,

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Speaker 2: Matt Eberfluse fourth and one has the opportunity for Justin

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Speaker 2: Fields to kick a field goal. Right, he leads the

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Speaker 2: team down field goal, take a thirty one to twenty

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Speaker 2: eight lead on the Broncos. And what would the feeling be.

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Speaker 2: Justin Field's had a good day. Justin Field's got you

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Speaker 2: in scoring position. Justin Field's got you the lead, regardless

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Speaker 2: if Denver comes down and wins it. The vibe all

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Speaker 2: week is positive for Justin Fields gave you the lead,

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Speaker 2: not his fault if the defense couldn't hold it. Instead,

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Speaker 2: that hasn't won in forever, instead of kicking a field

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Speaker 2: goal for the lead as a defensive coach and trusting

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Speaker 2: your schemes. Nope, they go for it. Fail. Denver goes down,

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Speaker 2: Justin Fields very little time left, Hey, kid, go save us.

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Speaker 2: Terrible managing of a young quarterback. I don't care what

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Speaker 2: analytics say. Justin Fields had a good day, showed promise,

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Speaker 2: you had to feel great. He leaves the field, you

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Speaker 2: have a lead. It would just be the way to

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Speaker 2: support a young quarterback. And by the way, if you

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Speaker 2: can take a lead at home and you haven't won,

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Speaker 2: how many games do it? Prime example. I don't think

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Speaker 2: Denver's very good. I think Russell, Wilson and Sean Payton

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Speaker 2: was the use of the clock and late game managing

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Speaker 2: So in Week one, Buffalo looked awful this morning, this afternoon, tonight,

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Speaker 2: It can be the fastest show on turf, it can

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Speaker 2: The ability to get a pass rush with four, don't

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Speaker 2: even Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, fastest show on turf, all

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Speaker 2: In fact, I don't know what the line is next week.

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Speaker 1: You know, c J.

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Speaker 2: they could have taken some big swings. They didn't. Solid

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Speaker 2: no big egos, just easy stuff for CJ. Stroud to

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Speaker 2: Stroud has been remarkable for a rookie quarterback remarkable, a professional,

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Speaker 2: stands in the pocket, delivers strikes, doesn't have nervous feet,

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Speaker 2: last six years against the spread. C J. Stroud, Lance Zerline,

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Speaker 2: So the Texans hammer the Steelers. I'll hammer the Steelers

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Speaker 2: three and out in the volume. If you put the

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Speaker 2: So he didn't play with a ton of confidence. First

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Speaker 2: it's interesting. He is a player and I saw a

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Speaker 2: momentum player like you know, when Mahomes started struggling, it

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Speaker 2: I got this, this is a this team could win

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Speaker 1: I think confidence is a powerful thing for young players.

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Speaker 2: and I think they play like Solo would play young

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Speaker 1: But what happened the moment Rogers tears Achilles. They've been

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Speaker 2: He can move better than GoF, but that was his

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Speaker 2: you know what's interesting too. He's six two and two

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Speaker 2: never think that Mahomes is six two two twenty five.

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Speaker 2: I never think small. It's the shoulders. He's got kind

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Speaker 2: certain player I feel like Zach when he's throwing, moving

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Speaker 1: Well. I think Fields falls under that today too. Once

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Speaker 1: to think it's not one two three, Mississippi. I gotta

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Speaker 1: But he, like many other great players, can just sit

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Speaker 1: That's very difficult to do. Only a small percentage of

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Speaker 1: Zach most guy, he's not alone, but you can put

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Speaker 1: He definitely had some of those throws to Night.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think Sola deserves credit. They ran the

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Speaker 2: I've never seen a player who can see something and

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Speaker 1: He just is a whip just I mean, look at

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Speaker 2: I think it's moving the pocket play action, leaning into

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Speaker 1: The key, though, is you got to build on it

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Speaker 1: this Chiefs team is just a completely different version than

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Speaker 1: the first iteration of the Mahomes era. I mean they

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Speaker 1: are defensive, they have I mean Andy's had some good

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Speaker 1: running backs over his career. Obviously, when he got to

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Speaker 1: Kansas City, Jamal Charles Shady McCoy, some of the Westbrooks

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Speaker 1: induce Daly this Isaah, but Jaco is like a throwback

434
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Speaker 1: guy from the eighties. So you get this physical presence

435
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Speaker 1: and even Andy, who wants to pass it every play,

436
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Speaker 1: knows he's got to give it to this guy. And

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Speaker 1: now he's clearly right. Kelsey's their best weapon. This guy's

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Speaker 1: our second best weapon. And they defensive run game tight end.

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Speaker 1: This is not different than the you know, scoring forty

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Speaker 1: eight points a game Chief Chiefs, but it's this is

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Speaker 1: sustainable too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean one of the reasons the Chiefs had

443
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Speaker 2: trouble in the second quarter. The Jets corners are outstanding

444
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Speaker 2: for sure, and so the bottom line is nobody was open.

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Speaker 2: And I do think I think at the trading deadline,

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Speaker 2: Kansas City, yeah, I think they'll I feel like they

447
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Speaker 2: would go if there was a Juju Smith Schuster type

448
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 2: player just who was very productive for them, just a

449
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 2: guy that's good after the catch, kind of a physical

450
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Speaker 2: banger and experienced guy. Because I think that's the whole.

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Speaker 2: But to your point, this is the best fastest defense

452
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Speaker 2: Kansas City's had under Mahomes. It's the youngest cheapest and fastest.

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Speaker 2: But also by the next draft, you have to start

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Speaker 2: considering for Kittle and Travis Kelcey drafting tight ends. These

455
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Speaker 2: guys take a lot of hits and so overall, great

456
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Speaker 2: teams win on bad nights on the road. That's Kansas City.

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Speaker 2: Philadelphia didn't play very well today. I mean they know

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Speaker 2: their defense got shredded.

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Speaker 1: Washington has their number though, you know, I mean certain

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Speaker 1: teams in certain sports. The Trailblazers forever would Lillard and

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Speaker 1: CJ always played the Warriors well, even when they had

462
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Speaker 1: Durant Washington now two years in a row. Remember they

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Speaker 1: beat him last year. I think on Monday a fe

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Speaker 1: football today, they easily could have won that game. They

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Speaker 1: were to control the majority of it until some of

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Speaker 1: Philly's athletes just made plays. That's the thing. Like you

467
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Speaker 1: watch a team like Philly, the Niners, their skill guys

468
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Speaker 1: look more like the nineteen Chiefs than this Chiefs team, right,

469
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Speaker 1: I mean the talent at the high end. When you

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Speaker 1: have that much firepower a sixty minute game, if your

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Speaker 1: quarterback's good, you're just never really out of the game

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Speaker 1: unless you're down twenty.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's talk Patriots, Cowboys, so Zach Wilson can struggle,

474
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Speaker 2: Justin Fields can struggle, but I never doubt they have talent.

475
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Speaker 2: They both move and controw. Today Mac Jones looked untalented,

476
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Speaker 2: looked overwhelmed. So here's what we know to be true.

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Speaker 2: The Patriot coaches. I've been told this and it's been written,

478
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Speaker 2: We're furious with him last year, like just didn't like

479
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Speaker 2: him as a player, you know, McEnroe, Jones, Braddy, the

480
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 2: cheap shots. It just looked bad for the culture. And

481
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Speaker 2: so we know that's documented. Belichick was furious with him.

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Speaker 2: We also know he's had several of these moments, and

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Speaker 2: I've been told last year he was called out by

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Speaker 2: one of his offensive linemen. He's had several of these moments.

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Speaker 2: You know, chippy hitting, guys kicking. That doesn't play well

486
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Speaker 2: in pro sports because what players think is if you're

487
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Speaker 2: doing that to them, they can do that to us.

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Speaker 2: So that doesn't play in a locker room at all.

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Speaker 2: This chippy stuff, the Grace and Allen stuff doesn't play.

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Speaker 2: And then today completely listless, no energy, completely overwhelmed, with

491
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Speaker 2: Trayvon digs out, Micah parsonshurt. Briefly, I thought it was

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Speaker 2: one of those I wrote this down is that I

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Speaker 2: think there's five. I think there's ten teams that are

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Speaker 2: going to draft quarterbacks. Some of them I think Atlanta,

495
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Speaker 2: you know, Vegas, Tampa very early, and then probably you

496
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Speaker 2: know Rams, Green Bay, Minnesota maybe a little later. I

497
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Speaker 2: put down ten teams, and I put in New England

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Speaker 2: in the sooner than later. Like he's not popular in

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Speaker 2: the locker room. He looks overwhelmed and untalented, the braddy

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Speaker 2: cheap shot stuff. I don't know where his alliances are

501
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Speaker 2: in the organization. I don't know justin fields. Those guys

502
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Speaker 2: still in that locker room, I think they like him.

503
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Speaker 2: Zach Wilson. You can see his teammates, his receivers come

504
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Speaker 2: to him. Watch Mac Jones on the sideline. Who's an

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Speaker 2: ally in that locker room.

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Speaker 1: My thought coming into training camp, once we knew all

507
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Speaker 1: the AFC rosters is that Mac Jones was inevitably gonna

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Speaker 1: get in Bill Belichick's career. Now, I hate to say

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Speaker 1: get him fired because it sounds like, you know, Joe

510
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: Judge gets fired. You know, if coaches like that get fired.

511
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Speaker 1: I don't know how this ends, mutual departation. It's over

512
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: like this This team's terrible, and it starts their quarterback

513
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Speaker 1: play is horrendous. Like you said, he he's not talented enough.

514
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Speaker 1: I remember when Kyle Shanahan liked him and I thought

515
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Speaker 1: it is insane. No player of this talent has ever

516
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Speaker 1: been drafted this high. In my opinion, he's more even

517
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Speaker 1: based going back to college. More third fourth round pick.

518
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Speaker 1: That's where guys of Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, those guys

519
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Speaker 1: go in the third fourth round. And unlike those guys,

520
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: his floor he can't reach it right now because he's

521
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 1: so mistake prone. His turnovers are outrageous. I mean they

522
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Speaker 1: and they never end. It's pick sixes. He could have

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Speaker 1: thrown multiple pick six today as a fumble. He just

524
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Speaker 1: feels like most lopsided game and loss of Bill Belichick's career.

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Speaker 1: I mean the Cowboys they're not bad. I mean they're solid,

526
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Speaker 1: twelve win team, thirty eight to three. I mean that

527
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: was a full that was a bloodbath in Belichick. There

528
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Speaker 1: was the one when he was going like this on

529
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Speaker 1: his said, what's his other pitch? It's not like, well

530
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Speaker 1: I just throw a change up? Now what does he do?

531
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Speaker 1: You can't go to the bullpens it's like Zappie's any good.

532
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Speaker 1: They're screwed. And listen, they missed the playoffs last year.

533
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: This team feels worse. Judon got hurt. Now it's starting

534
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: to unravel a little bit and it's clearly not well.

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Speaker 1: It's Matt Patricia calling the place. No, they got a

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Speaker 1: grown up call in the place. I mean, this team looks.

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Speaker 1: I know he's an all time great coach and I

538
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Speaker 1: believe that, but this individual team, even with him five

539
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Speaker 1: six wins. I mean, look how hard the division is,

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Speaker 1: let alone just how they play in general.

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Speaker 2: You know what's interesting too, he's regressed. So when he

542
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Speaker 2: first gets to New England his rookie year, again, you

543
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: haven't lived with him long. You haven't traveled with him much, right,

544
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Speaker 2: you haven't been through crisis with him. He had a

545
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Speaker 2: pretty good rookie year.

546
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Speaker 1: I made the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Just like when you're a coworker, you're an employee. The

548
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: first year, you win some games, you're like I kind

549
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: of like Bob. And then you work with him a

550
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: second year. You travel with him, multiple camps with him,

551
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Speaker 2: practices with him. Have you noticed he seems less popular today,

552
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: He has less allies today, He's one of those players.

553
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I had somebody who I respect, a former

554
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: Patriot recently out east, use the word brat like he's

555
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 2: bratty like, and you know, I think you told me

556
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 2: this last week or the week before. As long as

557
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 2: you're loved in the room, nobody.

558
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Speaker 1: Cares outside of the room.

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Speaker 2: I do not think. I think the coaches have tolerated him.

560
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 2: I think I mean today, I know it feels like

561
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Speaker 2: I'm being hyperbolic here, it feels like today was a

562
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Speaker 2: tipping point, like the coaches are just like, all right,

563
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Speaker 2: they have to go to craft and say, what do Bob,

564
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Speaker 2: we have to draft the quarterback?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that if this thing gets really ugly

566
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Speaker 1: and it's trure headed that way? They win six games.

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Speaker 1: Bill's always been a little prickly with Robert, but he's

568
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Speaker 1: making him so much money. They're winning so big. You

569
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Speaker 1: deal with it. Now, this back to back years, Let's

570
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Speaker 1: say they win thirteen games over a two year span.

571
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Speaker 1: Maybe they just go it's time for a change, does Bill?

572
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Speaker 1: Because I was thinking about this, like if you're the

573
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Speaker 1: chart or some of these other teams, or is he

574
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Speaker 1: just too old and too crimogeny. He's kind of fascinating, right,

575
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Speaker 1: because his resume is unprecedented. I mean yeah, but it's like,

576
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Speaker 1: you know, this is he's not a spring chicken. He's

577
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Speaker 1: not mister get along with everybody.

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Speaker 2: Here's the other thing. We always thought they were just

579
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 2: such a smart football team. They make the same mistakes

580
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: as everybody post Brady, they're not. They make special teams blunders.

581
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: So you know, Brady covered up a lot of issues

582
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: with this team. He was so good pre snap. He

583
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: got you out of trouble. It's like a good boss.

584
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: You don't really know the trouble you would have been in.

585
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: He gets you out of it before your company's in it.

586
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,959
Speaker 2: Brady got this team out of a lot of trouble.

587
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Speaker 1: But it gets back to Tom also worked basically as

588
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Speaker 1: like his second job was also a coach. I mean

589
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: you talked to Adelman and Gronk and all these guys.

590
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: What was tolerated in practice? It wasn't just Bill setting

591
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Speaker 1: the tone, it was Tom setting the tone. So they

592
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Speaker 1: screw ups didn't happen in practice. What's Mac gonna do

593
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: yell at you for running the wrong route on Thursday.

594
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: So it kind of unravels from within because Tom set

595
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: the tone from a leadership standpoint, it's unreplaceable. And it

596
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: shows now their talent, I mean, their margin ferrer was

597
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: already so slim. They were gonna have to win games

598
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: what like seventeen to fifteen, and if Max's gonna play,

599
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: you know, like a bottom five quarterback, they don't have

600
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Speaker 1: a snowballs chance in hell at this rate.

601
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Speaker 2: The you know the other thing, and I I there's

602
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: a lot of different things to talk about, so I'd

603
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: feel like we're sort of you know, you have a

604
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 2: Niner take. I had a brand and Staley take. So

605
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 2: when Assante Samuel at the end of that game intercepted

606
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Speaker 2: the ball and apparently Brandon Staley was telling him to

607
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 2: get down, get down, and I thought to myself, there's

608
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: been so many gaffes, so many snaff foos from Staley.

609
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Speaker 2: And my takeaway is if there had been forty eight

610
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Speaker 2: seconds or a minute four but there wasn't. There was

611
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: like two thirty two forty on the interception and you're

612
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Speaker 2: deep in your own territory. And my takeaway was as

613
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Speaker 2: a code, which if the Sante Samuels had intercepted that

614
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: and just gone down the sideline as he was going

615
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Speaker 2: down the sideline. You know, you could say sit at

616
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Speaker 2: the fifty, but to sit at like you're eight or

617
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Speaker 2: wherever it was. So my takeaway was, oh, god, you're

618
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Speaker 2: just overthinking it. There's just I don't know what the

619
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: analytics are. If you intercept the ball and it can

620
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Speaker 2: be a pick six and go up fourteen, just go,

621
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Speaker 2: just go. Now, the theory is, well, you may never

622
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Speaker 2: get the ball back. They could get the on site.

623
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Speaker 2: There's like two fifty left. So that really bothered me.

624
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Speaker 2: Should it or analytically that's understood.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I just let him run. Why are

626
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Speaker 1: you telling him get down at all? They play in

627
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: the same game every week for two years and four games,

628
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: don't they. I mean, they got a big fourth down

629
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Speaker 1: with under three minutes to go, the other team is driving,

630
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,719
Speaker 1: with a chance to tie or to take the leak.

631
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Speaker 1: They play Honestly, you could even go back to the

632
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Speaker 1: Philip Rivers days. It feels like this team's cursed. I mean,

633
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: the Raiders are so far gone it's they're not even

634
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: worth saving. But the Chargers with this quarterback who he's

635
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: proven his physical capabilities, his production, his toughness. Now a

636
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: couple of years in a row, what was it last

637
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,919
Speaker 1: year he had the rib or splint injury. This year

638
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 1: his fingers pointing the other way and him battling through.

639
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,919
Speaker 1: What more could you want? I think how many franchises

640
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Speaker 1: are watching this, and how many gms and former gms

641
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: what they would have done for a chance of a

642
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,919
Speaker 1: talent like that when he had a coach.

643
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 2: He bailed Staley out, so you know, then they try

644
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: to they run the ball on the clock and the

645
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 2: Raiders use a timeout so they have to get a

646
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 2: first out or they're punning it from their end zone.

647
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 2: And he hits a beautiful, perfect deep throw and you're

648
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 2: like you and I are on the West Coast. I

649
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 2: wonder if people like Midwest who are watching their own

650
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: games East understand what's happening here with the Chargers. Justin

651
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert is literally saving the franchise Staley is making.

652
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 2: They sometimes they overthink, then they underthink, I just I

653
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: watched this team, and if I'm Tom Telesco, this roster's

654
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 2: really really good. Today they were six acts, so it's

655
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: it's it's they won this game without five starters. I mean,

656
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 2: they have depth. They have players everywhere. I even if

657
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: they're a playoff too. It's pretty remarkable that a coach

658
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: would go playoffs back to back and be fired. But

659
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: I think it's been so discussed. Los Angeles is a

660
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 2: very kind of laid back, chill market. It's not Philly, Boston,

661
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: New York.

662
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Speaker 1: No.

663
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 2: You read the La Times, you go to messageboards, you

664
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 2: listen to sports talk radio in La. Staley is the

665
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: topic of conversation every Monday.

666
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I think because the quarterback's so good,

667
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: he might be able to will into ten wins and

668
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: you're right there in the playoffs. But with their lack

669
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: of discipline, decision making, defense, you never know what you're

670
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: gonna get. It's hard to see them winning a playoff game,

671
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: let alone several. So I think that the elephant in

672
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: the room, though, is even if they were to get

673
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: rid of him, would they ever be willing to pay

674
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: for a big time coach, because you see around just

675
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: this sport the impact of high end coach, I mean

676
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: San Francisco Christian McCaffrey. I think I can't imagine there's

677
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: ever been a better midseason NFL trade in the history

678
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: of the league. Last week, he broke Jerry Rice's record

679
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: twelve straight tds. This week, he tied Emmitt Smith's record

680
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: thirteen straight touchdowns fourteen. Next week he has a chance

681
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: to break it longest since nineteen ninety. So you're talking

682
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: about a guy that and I thought it was kind

683
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: of crazy too. Running Backs twenty twenty two, he had

684
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 1: been banged up. I'm like, wait, you're gonna give a second,

685
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: a third, and a fourth. He would have been worth

686
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: three seconds, thirds and fourth for his impact on the

687
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: forty nine ers. Yeah, he is easily. I think Josh

688
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: Allen threw his hat back in the ring. You know,

689
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: Lamar's having a pretty awesome season, but he's right there.

690
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: If it ended to day, he would be have every

691
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: bit as good of a chance as anyone to be

692
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: the NFL MVP. And he's clearly one of the best

693
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: players in the league. And he's taken a team that

694
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 1: was pretty damn good, right, they were in the conference

695
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: title a couple of years ago, they were in the

696
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and Purty's an upgrade over over Jimmy clearly.

697
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: But Christian has become like a superstar. I remember being

698
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: a kid when they signed Dean Sanders. Niners never looked

699
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: back and they dominated. It's different because he's an offensive player,

700
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: but it's similar in terms of the impact. It's like

701
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: it's impossible, despite his production, which is freaking elite, to

702
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: quantify how good this guy is.

703
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: Well, listen, Deebo is a Hall of Fame talent and

704
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 2: Kittle probably makes the Hall of Fame. They almost shrink

705
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: when they're on the field with Christian McCaffrey. I mean

706
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 2: they're I mean, like Kittle two years ago, pre McCaffrey,

707
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: that was your third down target. You couldn't wait to

708
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: watch Kiittle play. He's still remarkable when he's on the

709
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 2: field with Christian McCaffrey on a big third down, it's

710
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: like Deebo and Kittle become second tier players and their

711
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,240
Speaker 2: Hall of fame. Kittle's gonna make the Hall of Fame.

712
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 2: So it's like McCaffrey is that rare athlete that among

713
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 2: other great athletes, it doesn't even it doesn't. I mean,

714
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: it's like this kid for the Rams, Pooka Nakua. I

715
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 2: keep waiting and it's like this is insane. He's physical,

716
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 2: he gets open, he reads corners like a twelve year veteran.

717
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: He manipulates him. It's like, oh, that's just different. I mean,

718
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: among other elite players. So, and the thing about McCaffrey,

719
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 2: despite his size, he's one of the most physical running

720
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 2: backs I've ever seen. And I mean seriously, he plays

721
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: three inches taller and thirty pounds heavier.

722
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: Well, David Shaw have pounded the table when he was

723
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: coming out. I was wrong. I thought, you know, I

724
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: bet he turns into more of like an Edelman Whelker

725
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: and he's more receiver than he ever is true down

726
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: running back he is. I mean, it's gonna sound like

727
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: a Walter Payton, Emmitt Smith. I mean he's a true

728
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: I mean Kyle's getting into him twenty twenty five times

729
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: a game, and it's not at the corners. It is

730
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 1: right up the gut, yeah, and breaking tackles, he shoulder.

731
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: He's really more of like a throwback to his dad's

732
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 1: era of a guy that would have thrived in the nineties.

733
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: And now I think, you know, to me, the Cowboys

734
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: a little bit of a front running team. When they

735
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 1: get a lead on you, which they've done three out

736
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: of the four games, run you out the building as

737
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: they did, and they're celebrated, and it's awesome. Their defense

738
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: pins their ears back. They got into one kind of

739
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: dogfight when they were down and they crumbled, and now

740
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: they're playing the Niner Sunday. The Eagles, I give them

741
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: some credit. They have not played their best football, but

742
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: their talent, like the Niners, they've been through, you know,

743
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: the ups and downs they've handled like today was not

744
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: an easy win, right, And I think when you look

745
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: at the Niners and the Eagles, the amount of high

746
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: end I mean, both teams could have ten Pro Bowlers.

747
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: I mean like ten, you know, all pro guys when

748
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: those two teams shake out. But the Cowboys, you know,

749
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: I just don't think they're quite on their level. I

750
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: think those two teams in the top tier of the NFC,

751
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: and then the next tier is the Cowboys and probably

752
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: than the Lions.

753
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a way Dallas has to play.

754
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: And I think again, Buffalo, I think is more talented,

755
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 2: but is similar. They're an avalanche. When Buffalo gets a

756
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 2: lead on you and you're struggling with Josh Allen and

757
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: he's in a groove and Davis is getting open with

758
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 2: Diggs and now Kincaid and Knox, it's like, shit, this

759
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 2: is just too much. They play down.

760
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: Hill and he turns into John Elway basically like he

761
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: did today.

762
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 2: You know, so like I think, whereas I think Stan

763
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 2: Francisco and Philadelphia can win multiple ways, I tend to

764
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 2: think certain teams Buffalo's this way. I think Dallas is

765
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: this way. They're momentum teams, and when they're headed downhill,

766
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 2: watch out. They're even more lethal than a Stan Francisco

767
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 2: or Philadelphia because they can score so quickly and they're

768
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: so aggressive, so hyper aggressive Miami. Let's talk Miami Buffalo.

769
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: What is interesting because I did think Buffalo would win.

770
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 2: I did not. I had a good day of gambling

771
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: four and one, four to zero in the afternoon games.

772
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 2: But my takeaway is what really changes is when you

773
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: can get pressure with four guys without bringing people at

774
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: Oliver today was very good. Is that the way to

775
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 2: disrupt Miami is very it's it's it's tried and true.

776
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 2: It was the way to beat Peyton Manning or any

777
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: great quarterback is you get pressure with four and then

778
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,439
Speaker 2: you occasionally bring other people. Were you should I read

779
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 2: into anything that Miami was just boat race, just overwhelm

780
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: man overboard. Should we or is it just one of

781
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: those that came off a huge game on the road

782
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 2: against the rival. It was bound to happen.

783
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: I think it's more they're going on the road to

784
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: a team that's won their division three years in a row,

785
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: who two of the last three years won thirteen games,

786
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: and have a quarterback who I'd say this year has

787
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: got a chance to be the MVP of the league.

788
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: I mean when he's on and he's been like this

789
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 1: last couple of years. Buffalo had to win that game, right,

790
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: I mean you're talking about they've already lost, so all

791
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Miami would have technically, you know, they'd

792
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: have two losses, they would be undefeated. This was a

793
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: team that they should have beaten twice last year. Remember

794
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: Buffalo had the weird loss of them when they outgained

795
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: them and every statistic was in there, you know. On

796
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: the side. To me, this was a draw in the

797
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: line game from Seohan McDermott, who's taken over the defensive

798
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 1: coordinator and like you said that he got after him too.

799
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 1: Hasn't been touched, right. And the other thing is they've

800
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: been running it down the hill like untouched on everyone.

801
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: So slow him down from the running game, hit to

802
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: a and have Josh Allen be an all pro level

803
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: guy that formula. In general, you're gonna be able to

804
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: play with anyone in the league, right Stefan Diggs when

805
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: he's humming, he's a top two or three quarter or

806
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: a wide receiver in the league. And that in terms

807
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: of home field advantage and big picture, is Miami going

808
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: on the road in the AFC to Kansas City to

809
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I guess you know, obviously Buffalo.

810
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: I don't know who would be in the north, maybe Baltimore.

811
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: That's you know, historically hasn't always been. Miami doesn't win

812
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: those games under forty or thirty five degrees. What would

813
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: change the way this team plays? Their defense is terrible?

814
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think that's the in the AFC. The

815
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 2: best team's Buffalo can get after you defensively. Kansas City

816
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 2: can get after you defensively. You start looking even the

817
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 2: heightens the way they played today can get after you defensively.

818
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 2: We know Baltimore always figures out a way to get

819
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 2: after you defensively. And then you start looking around and

820
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 2: you're like, yeah, Miami already can't. Now Jalen Ramsey comes back. Listen,

821
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 2: this is Vic Fangio and they're struggling. So the players

822
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 2: they just don't have the players, and so listen, New

823
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: England gave them fits in Foxborough in the second half. Like, yeah,

824
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 2: I think Miami is. I think they're the best team

825
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: to watch offensively. I think they're smart and clever and

826
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 2: it's a little bit of a firework show. But today

827
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 2: is a great example of and I think they're really

828
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 2: well coached. They just have some personnel limitations. They're just

829
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 2: they don't have a lot of guys that would start

830
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 2: for Buffalo on defense. Maybe two.

831
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I just think today was a day when

832
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: you know Tua once everything's not schemed and there are

833
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: some plays in their first couple drives, you're like, geez, Luise, Mike,

834
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: he's got you know, Tyreek Hill in the backfield, these

835
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: guys guys motioning. I don't. I thought it was incredible.

836
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: He was the MVP so far. You realize how special

837
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: their offensive coordinator is. But once you just have to

838
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: play football straight up against a team that you're equal,

839
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: maybe even slightly, yeah, it becomes a lot more difficult.

840
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: So to me, they got a lot to prove just

841
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: historically they've never done it, you know, and think of

842
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: all the teams in the AFC that play in the cold.

843
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: I like Buffalo. If he's going to play under control,

844
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: their quarterback has a chance. I mean, he is an

845
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: all time great talent, but to have the best year

846
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: of his career, because after that first week clunker where

847
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: it was like god, we had to red flag that situation,

848
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: the last three weeks he's been brilliant. I mean he's

849
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: been you could argue the best player in the league. Yeah.

850
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 2: I think I think I talked about this earlier. Is

851
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: that because once the schedule was length in the game,

852
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: I think a lot of GMS and coaches scaled back

853
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 2: on playing guys in the preseason and they kind of

854
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: used the first week as a little bit of a

855
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 2: regular season game with a preseason feel. On snaps, you

856
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 2: can't take much from the first game. Seattle looked awful,

857
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 2: Buffalo looked awful. Maybe that is what Pittsburgh is. They

858
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: looked awful. I will say this before we go. I

859
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 2: had said during the summer, is that I always think,

860
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: because I would love to be a GM in the NFL,

861
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 2: never gonna happen. But if I didn't do this, that

862
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 2: would be my choice, probably yours. Just to run an

863
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 2: NFL franchise is that. I always think in free agency

864
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: the big mistake is the splashy moves. There's a lot

865
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: of B. If you take your time and get through

866
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 2: the first four days, there's a lot of B moves,

867
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 2: and I thought Houston made several of those. Just get

868
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 2: a little better at running back, a little deeper receiver,

869
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 2: a little better on the offensive line. And Tamiko Ryans,

870
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: as we both know, was really respected and loved in

871
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 2: San Francisco stud They really felt like they lost a

872
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 2: little bit of the soul of their defense. And then

873
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it's such a dysfunctional organization, but

874
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 2: they made a lot of these kind of like B moves,

875
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 2: B plus just get slightly kind of bill parcels, get

876
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 2: better in the locker room, the weight room, the culture.

877
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 2: Just get a second tied, a backup, just interior lineman.

878
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 2: Everything feels better. And they did. And then CJ. Stroud

879
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 2: The team makes no noise, they don't talk a lot.

880
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 2: Stroud just sits back and throws the ball confidently. And

881
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 2: there's not a ton of juice. But I gotta tell you,

882
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a fluke. I think they look

883
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: I think they look like a well coached team that

884
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: knows exactly what they are. And I sat there today

885
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: and I watched them, and I thought, this isn't a fluke.

886
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 2: Now we're in Week four, that's a good That's a

887
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 2: pretty solid football team. That's my view on the surprise

888
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 2: team in the league. Houston's a solid, not great. They'll

889
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 2: meet up with their talent level at some point, but

890
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 2: I think they're a pretty solid team that's well coached.

891
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I think he's got a little burrow

892
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 1: to his game. You know, he's not a great athlete,

893
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: but he can move. He's really accurate. I mean he

894
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: has thrown the ball, pushed the ball down the field,

895
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: very calm and collected. I mean, you watch him the

896
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. He doesn't look like a guy

897
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: playing the fourth game of his career. He looks like

898
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: a guy who's been six years in the NFL. And obviously,

899
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: from a coaching standpoint, this guy, I think he's got

900
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 1: a chance to be like a Mike Vrabel. I think

901
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: he already is. I mean, he's a stud. I mean

902
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: he's the real deal. I don't know how good they

903
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: will be as the you know, as the season goes on.

904
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: Are they more likely to win six than nine? Probably?

905
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 1: But this is definitely a team. They got a lot

906
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: of firepower in the draft. That's the other thing. Remember

907
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: they're not done getting that back from Cleveland. Cleveland still

908
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: owes them. I think their first round pick this year.

909
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: So I think Houston, who knows that division? I mean

910
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: the Titans are just this gritty, ugly I mean Jacksonville.

911
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: I think Atlanta is terrible. One thing that hit me

912
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: this morning, how come like last night? Lsu Ole Miss

913
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: I have zero ties to the South. I don't care

914
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: about Like, I've never been I don't know anyone that

915
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: goes SEC schools. I've honestly never even been there, Like

916
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: it didn't go there scouting or whatever. I just mesmerized

917
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: by their games. I'm I'm glued to my couch watching

918
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 1: lsu Ole Miss. Yet whatever the NFC and AFC South

919
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: like the morning game does, I don't even want to turn.

920
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: I just think it's irrelevant. Why does college football for

921
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: them feel so gigantic on TV? And then an NFL game,

922
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: even one that sat by itself this morning felt like

923
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch the news or something before the morning

924
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: games come on.

925
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's there's been some quirky owners.

926
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: There's not the brands too.

927
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I also think there haven't been I mean,

928
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:35,919
Speaker 2: Brady drops in on the Buccaneers, but before Brady, they'd

929
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 2: never had a great quarterback in the in the entire franchise.

930
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: They'd had great players everywhere, they'd never had a great quarterback.

931
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 2: Atlanta's had a lot of Chris Chandler's Matt Ryan. You know,

932
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 2: Matt's more than capable. But I think here, Jamie, I mean,

933
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 2: if you look at Carolina, Jake Dell, Holme, Cam Newton.

934
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: Ryan, Tannehill, Mariota. Yeah, these players down.

935
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 2: There, it's always been athletic conference. Those rivalries are bigger

936
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 2: if you live in the South. You know, the Saints

937
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 2: in Atlanta is a bigger rivalry if you live in

938
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 2: the South. But I tend to think AFC South, NFC South,

939
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 2: that the SEC is so big. It's almost why pro

940
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 2: sports is so big in the Northeast and the West

941
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 2: that it shrinks college football, right, And I think college

942
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 2: football is so big in the South it kind of

943
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 2: pulls down the NFL. But they're just it just seems

944
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 2: to me that the NFC South, you know, Breeze wasn't

945
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 2: drafted by the Saints. They went and got him. It's

946
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 2: Brady entered at the end of his career. I don't

947
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 2: I don't see a lot of historically great quarterback play

948
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 2: in that division. Maybe it's some of its ownership.

949
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: I don't know.

950
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 2: I feel like in the Northeast, baseball and the NFL

951
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 2: mean more, you know. I feel in the West, the

952
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 2: NBA just means more, and so you get better GMS,

953
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 2: better scouts. The owners pay a little more. You have

954
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 2: really wealthy owners bal or Joe Lake of Paul Allen,

955
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 2: You've had some really wealthy Western owners. Now the Suns

956
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 2: have one of the richer owners. So I always tend

957
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 2: to if if there's a theme or a trend, I

958
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 2: always looked to ownership or passion, Like if you don't

959
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 2: win baseball games, they'll just fire you. In the Northeast,

960
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 2: you're just done, right, Stave. In the West, you don't win.

961
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 2: I thought Terry Stott was a good coaching Portland boom out,

962
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 2: I know, right, So yeah, so they're just I think

963
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,479
Speaker 2: in certain regions, certain things matter more.

964
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: Last thing on college really quick. It really hit me yesterday.

965
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: This year's wide open right, I mean, there are teams

966
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: that can win. How is this this is Harbaugh's opportunity?

967
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: I was. I think his team's pretty good. Yeah, that

968
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: quarterback is better than I thought he was. Yep, like

969
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: this is I mean, he'd have to beat a sark.

970
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: This Georgia team's not as good now. LSU's down Notre Dame,

971
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 1: Ohio State. You know, USC can't play any defense. Two

972
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: years ago that Georgia team he ran into a buzzsaw,

973
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: got his ass kicked. Last year, drop the ball. You

974
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: gotta be TCU in that situation. This year he's got

975
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: to beat Ohio State and then it's wide open for him.

976
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: I think. I think the gates have opened for Jim

977
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: Harbaugh and Michigan to take advantage. And if he's an

978
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: all time great coach, which I think he is, you

979
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: gotta win a championship and this year is right there

980
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:17,959
Speaker 1: for him. Yeah.

981
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 2: The interesting thing is we know now he's very successful.

982
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 2: He not only it took him, you know, it took

983
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 2: Brian Kelly a lot of years to get noted at

984
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 2: these northern schools. They're not LSU, USC, Texas, Alabama, Georgia,

985
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: where you know your state has so many players that

986
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 2: you can really you can really dominate your state it

987
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 2: Brian Kelly, you have to ask kids to come play

988
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 2: in cold weather. Jim Harbaugh, you have to ask players.

989
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 2: You know, it's convinced that school, school's hard, school's hard.

990
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 2: So if Northern you know, James Franklin now feels like

991
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 2: he has his best team. I think it's about a

992
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 2: four or five year process. In the North Washington Chris

993
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,479
Speaker 2: Peterson got it going I think year two to year three.

994
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 2: But I always feel it's a little easier in the

995
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 2: South because the states are so productive with recruiting. So

996
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 2: I think it took Kelly and Harbab about five or

997
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 2: six years to really I mean they were good early.

998
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 2: I mean I think Jim won ten games year one

999
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 2: and Kelly won big, but they were kind of fraudulent

1000
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 2: teams right like they couldn't run with Ohio State or Georgia.

1001
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 2: I think right now after now, Georgia's quarterback played well

1002
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 2: this weekend. But I think the question becomes if he

1003
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 2: gets to the championship winn or lose, and I think

1004
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 2: they could win. He can be really picky because I

1005
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 2: think Jim realized something in the NFL, is you can

1006
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 2: be a great coach, but if you don't have the

1007
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 2: guy pulling the trigger, they're just limitations on what you

1008
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 2: can do. And now we who have Josh Allen in

1009
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 2: his prime and Lamar and is prime, and Herbert is prime,

1010
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,959
Speaker 2: Mahlmes his prime. You can't take a second. You can't

1011
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 2: go into this league with a second tier quarterback. Jalen

1012
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 2: hurts like, you just can't do it anymore. So it's

1013
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 2: different than when Jim left. It's more quarterback centric. And

1014
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 2: there's all these guys that weren't in the league and

1015
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 2: they're all in their primes. So I think you have

1016
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 2: to be really picky Chargers job. I would absolutely take.

1017
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 2: If Zach Taylor got run in two years, I would

1018
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 2: look into that. But it's when Jim. When Jim left

1019
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 2: this league, you didn't have all these Trevor Lawrence, Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Lamar,

1020
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 2: the guys weren't in the league. So it's just a

1021
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 2: it's a whole different ballgame. You can still be physical,

1022
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: but as great as Rabel is as a physical guy,

1023
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 2: he's kind of a one and donner in the playoffs.

1024
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 2: He just doesn't have And Tannehill's not terrible he's competent.

1025
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's even maxed out even if he maximizes

1026
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: the team what he's doing, what's he gonna win nine games?

1027
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 2: Yep?

1028
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 1: Right, I mean he can only go so far, so

1029
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: not going on. I mean, what a what a first

1030
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: month of football.

1031
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 2: It was great. John Middlecoff three and out the volume. Good,

1032
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 2: see anybody see you Colin

1033
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: The volume