1 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cardinal territory and happy second half. I 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: cannot believe that we are here with just sixty five 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: Cardinals games to go. The All Star Game is over, 4 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: the Home Run Derby is over, and of course the 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five MLB Draft is over. So I thought 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: we would bring in one of the experts here on everything. Draft. 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: Baseball America's JJ Cooper joins the show. JJ, how are 8 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: you in congratulations on surviving another draft. 9 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 2: I will tell you the adrenaline is kind of receding now. 10 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 3: It was kind of nice. 11 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: I kind of have taken a couple of days of 12 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 2: a little bit slower post raft, post Futures Game, post 13 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 2: All Star Game and all that. 14 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 3: But hey, we're back. 15 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 2: You know, we're now rolling again, and yeah, it feels 16 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 2: like it's the second half. But at the same time, 17 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: I feel like we're at like sixty five percent at 18 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 2: the same time, so it's like, Okay, we're now really 19 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 2: into the second half. 20 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 3: Trade deadline is going to be here before we know it. Yep. 21 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: It's that mad dash to the summer months, and for 22 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: the Cardinals, their season could either be the next sixty 23 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: five games or the next ten, depending on how they 24 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: play and what they do do decide going into the 25 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: trade deadline. But there's a lot to like about what 26 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: the Cardinals did over at the last week or so. 27 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: But before we get into how their draft went and 28 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: how we scouting, doctor Ready Flores did, I want to 29 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: ask you, JJ, what is it like covering the draft 30 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: and the days leading up to it? And then were 31 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 1: you surprised by how the first five picks went down? 32 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: So this is where this like I it is fun 33 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: to try to figure out all the permutations. And in 34 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 2: some ways yes, because like we are final mock did 35 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: not have Eli Willets going number one, and then once 36 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: that happens, it cascades down throughout everything. But at the 37 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: same time, no, because like I think it's funny, like 38 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 2: how you do a lot of stuff in all but 39 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 2: Carlos Clauza for US actually did a video in April. 40 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 2: I believe that laid out like how Eli Willets could 41 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 2: end up as the first pick in the draft to 42 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: the Nationals, And that's kind of what happened, which is 43 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 2: is like, okay, if you like all these guys roughly 44 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: this range, and you kind of take the guy who's 45 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 2: going to give you the deal that you want, and 46 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 2: you're going to get a lot more down the road, 47 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 2: and then just things after that started cascading as well, 48 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: where I would say that if you look at the 49 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 2: totality of the top of this draft and you look 50 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 2: at some of the agreements that we already have bonus wise, 51 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 2: like Tyler Breunners and all, what it tells you is 52 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: there was viewed as there wasn't a ton of separation 53 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 2: at the top between one guy and another. And so 54 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 2: if you don't view it as oh, Ethan Holiday is 55 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 2: a clear step ahead, or oh, you know, I think 56 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: that Liam Doyle or Jamie Arnold or Tyler Breunner is 57 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: a clear step ahead, then the guys who kind of 58 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 2: work out and give you deals give you a lower 59 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,399 Speaker 2: bonus than the allotted amount allows you to spend more 60 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 2: later on. And that's I think when you look at 61 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 2: when of the dust clears on this top five, that'll 62 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 2: definitely be all of these players the top and very 63 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: few exceptions of Paul schemes like exception usually sign for 64 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: less than the allotment for those picks, because the way 65 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 2: it's designed is there's a lot of leverage. There's a 66 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 2: lot of reason if you're a player. If I'm a player, 67 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: and I can go one or I can go five, 68 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 2: even though they have reduced the differences between those picks. 69 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: Or I can go one, or I can go six, 70 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 2: I can go two, or I can go eight. I 71 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 2: can take a lot less money than the number two 72 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 2: pick is quote supposed to get and still make a 73 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 2: good bit more money than I would if I take 74 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 2: the risk of falling to eight and getting us a 75 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: full slot. 76 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 3: I think we saw a lot of that happen this year. 77 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: I mean that certainly makes sense. I know I was 78 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: surprised when Eli Willets went one one that we'd heard 79 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: over the last couple days thanks to reporting from you 80 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: guys that he was maybe higher on people's draft boards 81 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: than originally projected, and then certainly did not see Tyler 82 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: Bremner going two overall. But it's definitely a very Angels pick. 83 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: Very hard to figure out what the Angels are doing 84 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: in all aspects of baseball. 85 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: You will fly to the big leagues quickly. I feel 86 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 2: comfortable in predicting that he's pretty polished. He had a 87 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: great finish to the season, and he is now in 88 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: an organization where he knows he should be collecting major 89 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 2: league in the not too distant. 90 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: Future, and that's what the Angels do. They have routinely 91 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: with their first round pick, looked at guys that can 92 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: maybe fast track to the major league. So Tyler Bredner 93 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: could do that, and then Liam Doyle can do that 94 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: as well. I know Cardinals fans are rightfully super excited 95 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: about the Cardinals first round draft pick. We'll get into 96 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: all of the Liam Doyle things first. 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JJ, 114 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: what are your impressions about Liam Doyle and why didn't 115 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: this is a good pit for Saint Lewis. 116 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 2: Doyle is like, as you said, if you said that 117 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 2: the typical, and I want to say always typical, because 118 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: they've drafted some guys like Michael McGreevy and all over 119 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 2: the years where you're like that guy, there's some risk there, 120 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: but you know, if he figures out his control, he 121 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 2: could be really good. They've taken some of those guys, 122 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: you know, you go back years ago, but like you 123 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 2: take the Carlos Martinez and the Alex ray is is 124 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 2: it's not like they've been like no, no, no, we 125 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 2: are utterly allergic to vlosity. But I would say that 126 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 2: the more typical top of the draft Cardinals pick is 127 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: that really polished, really well rounded picture. You're like, well, 128 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 2: if he has a concern it said, he doesn't miss 129 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 2: a whole lot of bats. 130 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 3: Liam Doyle misses bat. That's not a concern with Liam Doyle. 131 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: As you said, you are talking about one of the 132 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 2: best fastballs, if not the best fastball in this class, 133 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 2: and he uses it a lot. He is a pitcher 134 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 2: who can go through innings just dominating with the fastball 135 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 2: because it does have velocity, it has good movement characteristics, 136 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: it has all the things you're looking to to try 137 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 2: to just basically dominate with that. He has a change 138 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 2: up that plays very well with it. And then we 139 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 2: get to the question, the big question with him though, 140 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 2: is okay, does that is that going to be enough? 141 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 3: Or is he going to have. 142 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: To figure out It's not like he doesn't throw a 143 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: breaking while he's a slider, but is it going to 144 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 2: be good enough as it currently stands to get to 145 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 2: have success in the majors or is that something that's 146 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 2: going to be the to do list? Is that going 147 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 2: to be something where it's here now and it's going 148 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 2: to have to get to hear for him to be 149 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 2: that front of the rotation starter that you're hoping when 150 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: you take him, you know, that high in the draft. 151 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 2: And that's the question we don't know, like when we 152 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 2: talk to scouts, when we talk to front offices all 153 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 2: through the season, I think we had three different people, 154 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 2: Sollliam Noyle in person, you know, talking to scouts at 155 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,679 Speaker 2: those games and all, and you would get very mixed reviews. 156 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: Right now, when I say mixed reviews, no one was like, oh, 157 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 2: this guy's terrible, but the reviews were some player people, 158 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 2: some evaluators see him as where he is right now 159 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 2: could basically be the path to big league success. There 160 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 2: are pitchers who can pitch off the fast ball, off 161 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: a changeup, and the breaking balls in their view good 162 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 2: enough to be a part of that and you can 163 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 2: now work. But there are definitely others who are like you, 164 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 2: like the pieces you have here, the fallback position of 165 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: this guy being a. 166 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 3: Really good reliever are already there right now. 167 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: But if he's going to be what you want him 168 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 2: to be, he's going to really have to find a 169 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 2: better breaking ball, one that he can come comfortably throw 170 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 2: to give. Especially really in his case, you know, good 171 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 2: news for him same side hitters, because change up it's 172 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 2: pretty good against, you know, when he has the platoon advantage. 173 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 2: But to give him a better way to get through 174 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 2: a lineup multiltiple times, and that's you know again, like 175 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 2: you get to see this all the time. I've been saying, 176 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: like with this, I'm going to be fascinated to see 177 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 2: like you're reporting and others like, come spring training, are 178 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 2: we going to be reading about, Hey, Liam Doyle was 179 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 2: working in the lab this offseason, and check out this 180 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 2: fill in the blank breaking ball. It's a new grip, 181 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 2: it's a different pitch, it's whatever it may be. Like 182 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: we talk about Paul Skeens, who kind of is the 183 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 2: gold standard of what you want to see from a 184 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: college pitcher, who just steps in and basically becomes the 185 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 2: All Star starter of the next two years. I don't 186 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 2: expect that for Liam Doyle. That's the first Paul Skeenes 187 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 2: first time's ever happened. But Paul Skeene showed up for 188 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 2: spring training and he's like, check out this splinker I have. 189 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 2: That gives me another weapon to face, you know, hitters. 190 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 3: He didn't. 191 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 2: He had messed with that pitch at LSU, but he 192 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 2: never really threw it. And so if Liam Doyle shows 193 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 2: up next year and it's like, hey, we figured out 194 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 2: that a sweeper it's really good for me, or a 195 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 2: bullet slider or a you know, a cut you know, 196 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 2: a cutter or like it could be a variety of 197 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 2: ways that you could say, all of a sudden, he 198 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 2: has that breaking ball. That is the thing that we 199 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 2: want to see and controls pretty solid, as you said. 200 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 2: The other thing is is he's done this at Tennessee. 201 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: He's done it regularly as a starter, so it's not 202 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 2: like something where you're projecting converting a reliever, but the 203 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 2: delivery has some energy to it. Can he maintain that 204 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 2: over a major league workload is the. 205 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: Other question, and that's kind of what we talked about 206 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: with scouting director Randy Flores after the draft a shout 207 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: out flow of Cardinals had four picks on Sunday, and 208 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: right after picking Liam Doyle, arguably their most important pick 209 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: in years, he met with the media, so plus one 210 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: for Flow and we talked about this, Look, we know 211 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: this JJ. No major league team drafts for need you 212 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: draft for what's best available. It's a lot different than 213 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: NFL or NBA. But I asked Flow, when you think 214 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: about the extreme costs of starting pitching on the market, 215 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: especially for high by low, high swing and miss, does 216 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: that maybe increase the importance of drafting and developing that 217 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: own talent in your system, and he said absolutely. I'll 218 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: read this quote from him. He said with Liam Doyle specifically, 219 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: Flow said, there is risk, but I think for upside 220 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: you have to swallow that risk. Acquiring swing and miss. 221 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: Acquiring one hundred and one miles per hour with that 222 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 1: unique fastball on the free agent market is very expensive, 223 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: So certainly there is some risk. There is some possible 224 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: risk of him being a believer. Our hope is that 225 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: he's only really committed to this type of fitness and 226 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: stamina for one year. Imagine as he began stacking it. 227 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: It bodes well for his chances to stay as a 228 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: starter of Cardinals fans. For those of you who don't know, 229 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: Liam Doyle over went a very extensive workout routine, completely 230 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: changed the way that he was working out, lost nearly 231 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: twenty pounds going into the season with Tennessee. So it 232 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: does give the Cardinals some sort of excitement going forward. 233 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: By the way, I think all of us at some 234 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: point had tried workout plans. I wish I had workout 235 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 2: plans that worked that well, and that probably earned me 236 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 2: an additional four to five million dollars because if you 237 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 2: look at where Liam Doyle was coming out of last 238 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 2: year to this year. That was one of the best 239 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 2: workout plans that anyone could ever do, because he did 240 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 2: transform himself and get into that, you know, that shape 241 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 2: to be that kind of dominating and the guy who 242 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 2: answered the bell every Friday night against some of the 243 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 2: best competition in college baseball for one of the best 244 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 2: teams in college baseball. 245 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, Liam Doyle dropped the workout routine, my guy. I mean, 246 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: it's July. We all need it. And to your point, JJ, 247 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: he signed for seven. Doyle sign for seven point twenty 248 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: five million dollars. That is a little under slot for 249 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: the number five pick. I believe it was right around 250 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: eight point one. So it goes back to what you 251 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: were saying about these guys and where they're signing, and 252 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: the Cardinals were able to maybe navigate their bonus pool 253 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: a little more. 254 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 2: Right, and that's still by I think what we're going 255 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 2: to see is as a percentage of the bonus pool, 256 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 2: that's gonna be one of the higher guys in that 257 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: top five six picks, because like Tyler Bremner, I think 258 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 2: it was the seventy five percent, which is that is 259 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 2: the lowest that they could offer him, because I believe 260 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 2: that he did go through you know, the combine, the 261 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 2: medical and all that, and so you have to offer 262 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 2: at least seventy five percent. So he got the you know, 263 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 2: so there are other guys who got. 264 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 3: Significantly less as far as the bonus ball. 265 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 2: The other thing I'll say with that though, I think 266 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 2: that you made a good point there, and you know, 267 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 2: and Randy Flores did, which is I do view this nowadays, 268 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 2: right ten years ago, we would look at this and say, well, 269 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 2: what is Liam Doyle's eta, And it would probably be 270 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 2: safest to say twenty seven. That was kind of the 271 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: normal path like you would go out and in very 272 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 2: few cases there were guys who moved faster than this. 273 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 2: But a lot of times it'd be like, I'm going 274 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 2: to pitch a little bit this year. I don't think 275 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 2: nowadays the way it goes. If you told me that 276 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 2: he throws ten innings, I wouldn't be shocked. He told 277 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 2: me through zero official innings this year he had a 278 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 2: heavy workload a tennesseee. 279 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 3: I haven't asked. 280 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 2: You may have, you know, Flora, you know Randy and 281 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 2: I may have said, but like normally a lot of 282 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 2: those guys don't really do much of anything on an 283 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 2: official mound. They'll play in bridge league, they'll work out, 284 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 2: they'll do all these things. But at this point you 285 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 2: look at like Chase Burns from last year's draft, who 286 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 2: went two overall, but a similar type of background of 287 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 2: you know, front of the rotation, college starter and he's 288 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 2: in that you know that reds rotation by. 289 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 3: The All Star break of the next year. 290 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 2: I do think nowadays week nine of the top ten 291 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 2: college players drafted in the twenty three draft are in 292 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 2: the big leagues. Now you know, we've already had numerous 293 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 2: multiple players in the top fifteen picks last year who 294 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 2: were in the big leagues. I do think it does 295 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: change a little bit your mindset. If you're the Cardinals 296 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 2: going into this offseason, and I would assume that they 297 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: think next year, however, this goes over the next sick 298 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 2: you said ten days, whether they're in it for the 299 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 2: rest of the year, or saying, Okay, we've taken a 300 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 2: step forward, but next year's the year. I would assume 301 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 2: that next year they're in Cardinals fans I think would 302 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 2: really hope that the next year is like, Okay, this 303 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 2: dip this rebuild, whatever you want to call it, is 304 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 2: now over. I do think that drafting Liam Doyle and 305 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 2: having that fifth pick, that having that pick that you 306 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 2: could do this with and in comparison to picking where 307 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 2: the Cardinals were supposed to pick, kind of may change 308 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,599 Speaker 2: their free agent strategy because whether I don't think you 309 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 2: would expect Liam Doyd'll be up on opening day by 310 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 2: any stretch, but if you said, oh, we feel like 311 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 2: that one of our biggest needs going into this year 312 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 2: is a starter with swing and miss stuff. As Randy 313 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 2: said there, those are very expensive, and now the Cardinals 314 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 2: can say, well, we do think that we might get fifteen, 315 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 2: we might get twenty starts out of Liam Doyle potentially. 316 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 3: In that role. 317 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 2: That kind of opens it up to say, hey, we 318 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 2: can kind of allocate our free agent resources somewhere else 319 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 2: a little bit in a way that you couldn't have 320 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 2: if you know, again, I think there's a lot of 321 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 2: scenarios we had it where maybe Eli Willetts would have 322 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: been the pick, and that could have been a very 323 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 2: good pick at pick five, but that would not have 324 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 2: affected your next your twenty twenty six plans if you're 325 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 2: the Cardinals in any way, shape or form. You wouldn't 326 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 2: say we drafted Eli Willets, so we don't need to 327 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 2: do anything free agency. Liam Doyle may change your plans 328 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 2: for free agency a little bit because you can say 329 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 2: that you think that he will potentially pitch for them 330 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 2: next year. 331 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: And I think that's why fans are so excited about 332 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: this pick, not just because of the one oh one 333 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: or because he's has a Chris Carpenter esque reaction time 334 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: on the mound. We talked to Liam Doyle on Sunday 335 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: night and he said, you know, he's ready to go now. 336 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: He's ready to jump into game action now. And I 337 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: think that really fired up Cardinals fans, knowing that someone 338 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: with such a prestigious pick could be much closer to 339 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: the majors. And I've ran into some player development guys 340 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: Sunday night leaving the ballpark and they were just fired 341 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: up about this pick. I'm really excited to see what 342 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: new director of pitching, Matt Pierpont can do with Liam 343 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: Doyle's arsenal. And of course, you know, Flow has not 344 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: decided where Liam Doyle will start. Maybe Double A will see, 345 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: but he does project to be on that track similar 346 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: to a Paul Skiing skimilar to a Chase Burns and 347 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: for Cardinals fans who have not had a lot to 348 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: look forward to in terms of the farm system panning out, 349 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: all of a sudden you have Liam Doyle and JJ 350 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: Weatherholt knocking on the door and you're playing a lot 351 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: better about your farm system. 352 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 2: Oh and you should because again JJ weatherhold, I would expect, 353 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 2: you know, it's not crazy to think if there's a 354 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 2: need and there's an opportunity that he could be up 355 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 2: at some point in the second half the year this year, 356 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: which again that's not you know, a while back that 357 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 2: would have been Wow, that's crazy fast. Now you look 358 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 2: at it and say, well, that's following the in the 359 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 2: on the heels of multiple picks ahead of him, multiple 360 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 2: picks behind him in that draft who have already reached 361 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 2: Nick Kurt's I think Nick Kurts has seventeen home runs 362 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 2: right now for the A's, which is crazy. You know, 363 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 2: Christian Moors is you know, he's hurt right now, but 364 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 2: he's up with the Angels, like there are multiple hitters up, 365 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 2: there are multiple pitchers up. But the other thing I 366 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 2: would say with that is, I don't think this will happen. 367 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 2: But let's say that the Cardinals are in it right, 368 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 2: Let's say that the Cardinals do make a run here. 369 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 2: I don't think in any scenario. Again, I would expect 370 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 2: that Liam Doyle threw a lot. 371 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 3: Of innings this year. 372 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 2: But if you said, if healthy and if they don't 373 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 2: feel it's detrimental to him, I would not say that 374 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 2: Liam Doyle is ready to help the big league club 375 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 2: in September October as a starter. But if you said, 376 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 2: a la Garrett Crochet who did this a little bit 377 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 2: for the White Sox in twenty twenty, also happened to 378 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: be a Tennessee first round pick, first round pick out 379 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 2: of Tennessee, all this, you know, if you said, he's 380 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 2: ready to do that role, and we think that it's 381 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 2: not going to harm his development, we think he's healthy 382 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 2: enough to do this, all these things. He's ready to 383 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 2: do that like he could if you said, hey, I'm 384 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 2: not saying he's going to You're talking about small samples. 385 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 2: He could always get rocked, he could always struggle through 386 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 2: the strikes. New ball, because the college ball and the 387 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 2: big league ball and the minor league ball are all 388 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 2: three different baseballs. 389 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 3: All these things. 390 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 2: But if you said, what would one hundred miles an 391 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 2: hour and a change up look like? You know in 392 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 2: the pen, you would say, I think he could probably 393 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: get some outs. Now, I don't think that'll happen. But 394 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 2: that's the kind of talent we're talking about here. 395 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: And that's why I think Cardinals fans are so excited. 396 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: The organization is so excited, and Liam Doyle was super 397 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 1: excited to talk to I mean, when you're excited to 398 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: talk to the media, you have to be excited about something. 399 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 2: So but again, but Lee, like you said, Liam is 400 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 2: a fired up dude. 401 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: Yes, and I think Cardinals fans will look forward to 402 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: seeing that because it's just been a little stale over 403 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: the last two years, the same prototype of pitcher taking 404 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: them ount every day. 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By position, that's 438 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: twelve pitchers, five in builders, three outfielders, and one catcher. 439 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: Of the twelve pitchers, two are left handed, a heavy 440 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: mix of the University of Tennessee guys, including their or 441 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 1: their number three pick, Tanner Franklin JJ. When you look 442 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: about this draft the first time with the new regime, 443 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: and maybe you're kind of seeing the Hein Bloom imprint here. 444 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: Of course, Randy Flores has been this out any director 445 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 1: for forever and has done a nice job. What do 446 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: you see that's different about this year's draft class? 447 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 3: You hit on the thing. 448 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 2: If you their top two pictures they took, you would say, 449 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 2: I mean they both touch one hundred miles an hour 450 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 2: and they both miss bats. That's not like something Again, 451 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 2: I will go back to that's not something about the 452 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 2: Cardinals said no, no, no, we do not want pitchers who 453 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 2: miss bats. But it is something that seems like they 454 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 2: steered into that trait a little bit more this year 455 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 2: than they have in past years. I would also say 456 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 2: very much, and I don't think this is that unusual, 457 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 2: but it is kind of a portfolio approach as you 458 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 2: would expect to for almost any draft, which is, okay, 459 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 2: we just talked about Liam Doyle is the close to 460 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 2: the big leagues, should move pretty quickly, but also high 461 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 2: ceiling picture that you get fifth overall. Ryan Mitchell is 462 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 2: kind of their their second pick to fifth pick of 463 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 2: the draft. Kind of the opposite of that, This is 464 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 2: a guy who probably going to take some time. That 465 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 2: is kind of more what we think about with the 466 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 2: draft when you say, well, what's his ETA twenty eight, 467 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,719 Speaker 2: twenty nine, if it goes right, like that's not a 468 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 2: crazy thing for a talented high school a player who's 469 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 2: you know, played shortstop in high school. Looks like I 470 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 2: think with the Cardinals more likely and the expectation has 471 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 2: long been more likely a center fielder long term. To 472 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 2: go back to what I know that some people ask, well, 473 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 2: but that's where Victor Scott plays. 474 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 3: It's like, yes, this. 475 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 2: Is a guy who, if everything goes right and everything 476 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 2: breaks right, will be arriving at about the time that 477 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 2: Victor Scott is in year four or five of his 478 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 2: big league contract. You know, he'll be an arbitration. All 479 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 2: that options are always good. That's he's not gonna This 480 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 2: is not something where Victor Scott blocks. 481 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 3: This guy. 482 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 2: He's a long ways away, but he is a high upside. 483 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 2: There's a lot to like here. There's a lot of 484 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 2: upside and talent. You know, could be an up the middle, 485 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 2: impact defender who also hits. There's some power as well. 486 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 2: But that's that you have balanced right there. You've done 487 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 2: a very good balance of I've got college pitcher who 488 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 2: should move fast. I've got the high school guy who, 489 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 2: if it all breaks right, could be you know, an 490 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 2: elite prospect. But there's definitely risk there. That's why he 491 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 2: was there at pick fifty five. We talk about Tanner Franklenx, 492 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 2: that that's a I think that's probably a pure reliever, 493 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 2: but one. 494 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 3: Who the stuff. 495 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 2: You know, I know that when you talk about guys 496 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 2: who throw, relievers who throw one hundred plus, you can 497 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 2: talk about delivery and all that. 498 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 3: A lot of. 499 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 2: Times those guys, if they stay healthy, which is obviously 500 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 2: a risk, do figure out something. I use the example 501 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 2: too often now. I think of Justin Martinez with the Diamondbacks, 502 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 2: who if you ask two years ago describe Justin Martinez, 503 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 2: it would be he throws really hard one oh. 504 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 3: One, one oh two. 505 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 2: He doesn't have a whole lot of idea where it's going, 506 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 2: and he doesn't get a lot of outs with it 507 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 2: because he doesn't know where it's going. Then the light 508 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 2: bulb clicks on, and you know what. There's That's what 509 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 2: developed him is It's not always linear, but when it 510 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 2: does click on, if you throw one oh one, one 511 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 2: oh two, if you throw that. 512 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 3: I've talked to a lot of. 513 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 2: Different organizations now who say, if you have that kind 514 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 2: of arm speed he already has a slider in Frank's case, 515 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 2: but you're gonna have a second pitch. 516 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 3: We almost we can't. 517 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 2: It's almost impossible that we will fail you developmentally that 518 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 2: if you can throw a hundred, we will not figure 519 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 2: out whether it's some kind of second pitch to go 520 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 2: with that. 521 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 3: You have those two pitches. 522 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 2: If you can throw the strikes, you can help a 523 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 2: big league bullpen in some way. And then after that, 524 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 2: like I said, we did kind of go back and forth. 525 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 2: We have you know, Jack Gervich, who's kind of a 526 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 2: you know, a productive first baseman. Okay, that's not the 527 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 2: sexiest profile, you know for a college first baseman. But 528 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 2: then you go, I'm I'm a sucker for the sixth 529 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 2: round pick who we just added to our BA five 530 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 2: hundred right before the draft. Matthew Bmura is a center 531 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 2: fielder out of Hawaii who has some of the best 532 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 2: contact skills. Like when we talk about having a variety 533 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 2: of traits here, Mura doesn't have a ton of power, 534 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 2: but he's performed at Hawaii, He's performed in the Cape 535 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 2: Cod League at and up the middle defender. You know, 536 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 2: can Ron can play center and another center fielder here. 537 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 2: But the big thing is is he's a guy who 538 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 2: does not swing and miss, especially on pitches in the zone. 539 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 2: Some of the best swinging miss skills, you know, back 540 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 2: to ball skills, I should say, in college baseball this year. 541 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 2: So you're adding him, you've got kind of now this 542 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 2: wide or ray because like if you said, well, why 543 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 2: did they go? You know, someone asked, why did they 544 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 2: go to center fielders. There, if Mitchell all works, it's 545 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 2: a impact. You know, I can he can provide power, 546 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 2: he can provide speed, he can provide hitting ability. Mirror 547 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 2: is more of like you're hoping to hit a single there. 548 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 2: He's not going to hit a lot of doubles or triples, 549 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 2: but you're saying there it may be a fourth outfielder 550 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 2: type who can play center field, can play in the corners. 551 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 2: If you bring him up in this if he's at 552 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 2: that in the seventh then and you're like, he's not 553 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 2: going to strike out, He's going to put the ball 554 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 2: in play, he's going to advance the runner. Those kind 555 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 2: of traits kind of those two can kind of compliment 556 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 2: each other very well, and that's. 557 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: Super valuable as the Cardinals are learning with the the 558 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: very limited bench that they have yet again this year, 559 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: you're a great story though. I believe he established himself 560 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: playing in a sand lot league in Hawaii. Just super exciting. 561 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 1: That was one of the names that multiple scouts and 562 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: agents texted me about. Just again, a very exciting time 563 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: in the organization. And you think about how this organization 564 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: was run in years prior. The Player Development Group, Draft, 565 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: player Performance they were all kind of sectioned off in 566 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 1: their own separate areas. This year, you're seeing a lot 567 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 1: of collaboration between the two, and that is I think 568 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: what successful organizations do really well is they're all working together. 569 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 1: Because yes, you have your drafting guys, you have your 570 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 1: drafting department, your scouting apartment. They go and identify the talent, 571 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean anything if you don't have a 572 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: player development system that can bolster that talent and develop them. 573 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: That's in their job. Then when you tie in player performance, 574 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: you get kind of the three headed monster that the Cardinals. 575 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: We know this. They're hoping to come back to being 576 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: a draft and development club. The way that they handled 577 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: this draft is I think the first time that fans 578 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: can see in real time how that works. And you 579 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,959 Speaker 1: know what, we don't give enough up to scouts. They 580 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: are absolutely behind the whole background of the organization. So 581 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,959 Speaker 1: shout out scouts, Dirt Kenny, and TC Calhoun, they were 582 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 1: all over this draft. TC Calhoun the signing scout for 583 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 1: Liam Doyle. I think when you're looking at the Cardinals 584 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: organization from an overall minor league farm system standpoint, we're 585 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 1: starting to see kind of the high bloom effect and 586 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 1: it's really encouraging for an organization that vastly needed a revamp. 587 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 1: So this draft allows us to see a little bit 588 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: more as to insight on how that's going. 589 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 2: I would just note with that when you said that 590 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 2: about the kind of the more interdepartment collaboration, if you 591 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 2: ask me over the years, you know, people say, what's 592 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 2: the Rays secret sauce? And I think the Rays don't 593 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 2: have a one plan. They like have a plan for 594 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 2: this year and next year may be very different. But 595 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 2: if you said one thing that does very much stand 596 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 2: out with the Rays. Know a lot of RAISE officials 597 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 2: have covered the race for us for years. They very 598 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 2: much there is not something where it's like you're on 599 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 2: your You're on your island. 600 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 3: I'm on my island. It is collaborative. 601 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 2: You will see, you know, if you have scouts there, 602 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 2: they will be in their clubhouse talking to their minor league, 603 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 2: you know, coaches and all they're working together you on 604 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 2: the player performance. That all of that is very cohesive, 605 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 2: and that is I believe a multiplier for these things. 606 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 2: I don't want to go too far on this, but 607 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 2: I do remember the extreme example the other way, this 608 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 2: is years ago now, but we remember. I remember there 609 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 2: was an Orioles draft where we talked to the oriol 610 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 2: This is year. This is like twenty years ago almost now, 611 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 2: but there was an Oriols draft where we were talking 612 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 2: to the oriol scouting department and one of their top 613 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 2: picks and they're like, we think he's going to be 614 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 2: a great catcher. 615 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 3: I know he's an outfielder. 616 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 2: Now, but we think he's going to be a really 617 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 2: got all the tools to be a great catcher. 618 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 3: And then we talk to their. 619 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 2: Player development side and we say, so, are y'all going to, 620 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 2: you know, convert him to a catcher, And they said, no, 621 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 2: he's an outfielder for us. The two sides hadn't talked 622 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 2: to each other. So the scouting side drafted a guy 623 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 2: because the reason they draft him is they thought he 624 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 2: was a catcher, and the player development side says, no, no, 625 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 2: we think he's an outfielder. 626 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 3: You can't have that happening. 627 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 2: You've got to have the two sides like, okay, this 628 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 2: is why we drafted this guy. And again you need 629 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 2: to know all so departments should know what their strengths 630 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 2: and weaknesses are. Not everyone can do, you can't do 631 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 2: everything best in class, right, you would love to, but 632 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 2: no one else, No one can except for maybe you know, okay, 633 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 2: maybe the Dodgers can throw enough resources. 634 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 3: I don't, but you you. 635 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 2: Know, some teams are great at developing change ups. Some 636 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 2: teams are great at developing breaking balls. Some teams are 637 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 2: great as saying if you have trouble getting left, he's 638 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 2: out of the right hand, and we're going to figure 639 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 2: that out for you know what you're good at, and 640 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 2: then the scouting department can provide players. So then like, 641 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 2: if you're great at developing change ups and you say, 642 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 2: this guy doesn't have a change up, that's why he's 643 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 2: going to be available in the fourth round because he 644 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 2: can't get left. He's out because he don't have a 645 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 2: change up. And you're like, oh no, no, we can do that. Okay, 646 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 2: then that's the perfect guy to fit with that. But 647 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 2: if you say, you know what, we're really struggle with 648 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 2: developing plate discipline skills in this hypothetic organization, then don't 649 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 2: draft guys. You're like, well, the big thing is we've 650 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 2: got to teach them plate this one, know your strengths 651 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 2: and weaknesses and let everyone work together. That's something that's again, 652 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 2: that's something that I'm blue very much. I would say 653 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 2: when he was with the race, it was very much emphasized, and. 654 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: I think that's music to Cardinals fanziers, and I think 655 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: there's a lot of rightful optimism about the direction this 656 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: team is heading. It might take a couple of years, 657 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: and I know the primary focus will be on the 658 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: next ten days, but when you're thinking about how this 659 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: organization is being rebuilt, I know we're not allowed to 660 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: use the word rebuild, but excuse me if you will. 661 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: There's a lot to look forward to and a lot 662 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: of new and different ideas that I think will impact 663 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: the major league rosters sooner rather than later. JJ, thank 664 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: you so much for doing this. Hey, if you've not 665 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: subscribed to Baseball America, literally what are you doing? Go 666 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: ahead and subscribe right now www. Dot baseball America dot com. 667 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: It is absolutely your your must stop for anything draft, prospects, 668 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: farm systems, minor leagues. I check this site out at 669 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,239 Speaker 1: least three times a week, So great job by you 670 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: guys out there. I just love it. 671 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 3: America. 672 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 2: Thank you on that, and we are now adding speaking 673 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 2: of you have if you're a Cardinals fanding out of 674 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 2: the question, well, where's Liam Doyle rank in the Cardinals list? 675 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 2: Where does you know Tanner Franklin rank. We're going to 676 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,719 Speaker 2: update our top thirty in the very near future. We 677 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,479 Speaker 2: are operating under the assumption that all ten top ten 678 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 2: round sign some like you said Doyle has already had, 679 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 2: but we're going to operate on that and if we do, 680 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 2: we'll remove them later. But so you will be able 681 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 2: to see Cardinals fans where all of the and we've 682 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 2: by the way, we just updated our top thirties like 683 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 2: a week and a half ago as well, So it's 684 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 2: a very new, very updated Top thirty Cardinals list over 685 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 2: there at Baseball America dot com. 686 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: You know to do go check it out. JJ, thank 687 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: you again for doing this. Looking forward to following along 688 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: JJ weatherholl and Liam Doyle over the next couple of 689 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: months and see where they end up. Come twenty twenty six. 690 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: Cardinals fans will have a twenty to twenty five a 691 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: second half preview coming out today as well, focusing on 692 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: their upcoming series against the Arizona Diamondbacks. So lucky you 693 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: you get minor lea again major League action on this Friday. 694 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: For JJ Cooper, I'm Katie Wu. Thanks, it's always for 695 00:30:48,120 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: watching Cardinal Territory. We will talk very soon. Jo