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Speaker 1: when it comes to legendary DJs, when it comes to
Speaker 1: people who've been down in this game forever and have
Speaker 1: maintained relevance and maintenance consistency, this man picture comes up
Speaker 1: when we googled him Jesus and his picture came out.
Speaker 1: The man is consistent. He's out here, He's still got
Speaker 1: love for the game. You know, so many accolades, so
Speaker 1: many are different things that he's done, and he's still
Speaker 1: out here, still working, still doing. It's still out here,
Speaker 1: still out here with gucci hats on, a nice classes
Speaker 1: through the well, hit through a cameraman and doing what
Speaker 1: you gotta do. In the case you don't know what
Speaker 1: we talked about with motherfucker, let it. I honestly, I
Speaker 1: honestly get stoked when I I speak to people like
Speaker 1: you are people who laid down the legacy for people
Speaker 1: like me A E F n um And when I
Speaker 1: look at you guys, legacy and like did did what?
Speaker 1: What time was? Uh? Let's let's take it from the beginning.
Speaker 1: Let's take it from the beginning. How did how do?
Speaker 1: How did you even? How did you get start? How
Speaker 1: did I get stuck? Um? Who inspired you? Too? Well?
Speaker 1: I had some older DJs in my neighborhood that would
Speaker 1: do do all the block parties, um, and I think
Speaker 1: what it was. I would I would go to these
Speaker 1: block puts. Doesn't feel it and I would go to
Speaker 1: these block parties, and these guys would they would be
Speaker 1: on these enclosed portraits so you would never see what
Speaker 1: they look like. But and they had these massive speakers,
Speaker 1: and I always felt like they were the puppet masters
Speaker 1: because they got you to do whatever they wanted to
Speaker 1: do with the music that you lady. And I wasn't
Speaker 1: the one that was at the parties or at the
Speaker 1: block parties trying to get the girls. I was looking
Speaker 1: at that into a house like trying to figure out
Speaker 1: who the wizard was. But I couldn't see his face
Speaker 1: and how he was pulling these strings and making anybody
Speaker 1: do whatever he wanted with his music. Um, and I
Speaker 1: got to a point that I was like, I want
Speaker 1: to be that guy. I want to I want to
Speaker 1: have that level of control that that he has with
Speaker 1: his music. So you know, it literally started from grabbing man.
Speaker 1: It was it was a DJ named Disco Dock in Philly.
Speaker 1: It was a guy Disco rat Um. And this was
Speaker 1: this was pre hip hop too, so this wasn't you know,
Speaker 1: this was they just playing mass production, grass construction, funk
Speaker 1: and soul records. But it was just you know, they
Speaker 1: had the big yet yet, but they had these big
Speaker 1: giant speakers, and you know, we just get on the
Speaker 1: bike and you would ride to you know, you ride
Speaker 1: twenty blocks because you heard somebody would have a block
Speaker 1: party and you would just go and just you know,
Speaker 1: watch them do their things. You know, a couple of
Speaker 1: hundred people on the street dancing um. And it was
Speaker 1: just kind of like that was something that I liked.
Speaker 1: I liked the effect of him playing this music and
Speaker 1: it had on people. It was like yo, like he
Speaker 1: was the pie Python like he you know, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you could have told to do anything, and we probably
Speaker 1: really did it, depending on how you string these records
Speaker 1: together now describe to us Philly back and back in
Speaker 1: the day, because it had to Pully has to go
Speaker 1: through so many different transitions. So the was because UM
Speaker 1: us in hip hop us in New York. Problem. Uh,
Speaker 1: we knew that it came from the Bronx. Well, it
Speaker 1: was always around it, so was it like that of Philly.
Speaker 1: Wasn't hip hop just everywhere? And we we would get
Speaker 1: tapes from the Bronx of hip hop, Like you know,
Speaker 1: everybody had a cousin that lived in New York. Everybody
Speaker 1: had a cousin that was from the Bronx, which anybody
Speaker 1: probably live cool with Flash or hurt Um, But it
Speaker 1: was just like you would get these tapes that would
Speaker 1: be a hundred generations tapes of t Connection and the Fever,
Speaker 1: and you would basically imagine what these parties were like.
Speaker 1: You know, to me, it was thousands of people in
Speaker 1: these parties and there was massive sound systems and those
Speaker 1: parties could have been in the room like this, but
Speaker 1: it was just what you got and what you imagine.
Speaker 1: But that that was it, you know, we um. I
Speaker 1: feel like the hip hop scene in the Philly was
Speaker 1: created off of what we thought it was in New
Speaker 1: York because there wasn't videos, There wasn't any of that,
Speaker 1: so you didn't really got a lot of Philly that cool.
Speaker 1: See Sandy being um. You know they came up before
Speaker 1: you know there was they was around the same time
Speaker 1: the same time. Wasn't there was a group? Right? Was
Speaker 1: the name of the group? TV? What CB was a group? Like?
Speaker 1: Because we did were like the first rap gagsters like
Speaker 1: technically like I mean we heard in w A and
Speaker 1: all that, but no one either jazz. You know what
Speaker 1: I really started like that was it was school. He
Speaker 1: d school, he did and as he did, got at
Speaker 1: all that he was the first rapp up that was
Speaker 1: actually living in his literally just you know, he was
Speaker 1: talking about his neighborhood and he just described it to
Speaker 1: a t and it was just you know, you know,
Speaker 1: we didn't know that and did that that it's goods
Speaker 1: outside of New York. When we started the hand of that,
Speaker 1: it was like, X, really, motherfucker's by the way, we
Speaker 1: don't know if we know Jazzy Jeff, but this is
Speaker 1: a show where we celebrate our lections. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. We were were we were now the first
Speaker 1: person that we interviewed since we won the award. Let's
Speaker 1: big up. What was the name the National Film and
Speaker 1: televis Television A War? In true drink Chace fashion, we
Speaker 1: seen on one of our friends to pick up the war.
Speaker 1: We don't think we're gonna win, by the way, generous,
Speaker 1: we get a Saturday night last. We don't think were
Speaker 1: gonna win, So we sit on home, Jimmy kimbers against
Speaker 1: and Homie I travel to know and Homie actually goes there.
Speaker 1: It gets the award and in to drink chance fashion,
Speaker 1: he breaks the award getting into a school he took pature.
Speaker 1: I'm wanting to he dropped junk family. I also Bob,
Speaker 1: we had it. You want to pick up to aunerable
Speaker 1: old staff man get a wonderful event yesterday and um,
Speaker 1: they all came together. They was all stressed out. I
Speaker 1: love to see them all stressed out, but I'd love
Speaker 1: to see them all and he took care of everything,
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't want to pick them up. But now
Speaker 1: let's get back to Philly, right because in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways, the biggest artist to date right now is
Speaker 1: meet Mail right for for his triumph. But if it
Speaker 1: wasn't you guys, do you see the director like he's
Speaker 1: like the new Philly King or or you don't see that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. But I don't think we ever looked at
Speaker 1: ourselves as Um. I don't want to say Philly King's
Speaker 1: because like myself and Will, I think you know, Philly
Speaker 1: was where we were from. Um, it was a little
Speaker 1: weird back then because there was a point in time
Speaker 1: that we didn't feel that we kind of got the
Speaker 1: love that other people got in Philly, Um that people
Speaker 1: got in different states. Um. And I really think looking
Speaker 1: back at contact, it was because a lot of that
Speaker 1: was new you know, anybody was trying to everybody was
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what it is we were doing.
Speaker 1: We don't know how long this is gonna last. Like
Speaker 1: so I don't think it was people just didn't didn't
Speaker 1: show love. You know, radio stations. I think we're a
Speaker 1: little bit afraid because they were kind of like, we
Speaker 1: don't know if it's gonna be here, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's like we're not going really lock in to this.
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, Meet coming along now, um and,
Speaker 1: and Philly has always had champions that they really really
Speaker 1: got behind and they wanted to kind of go beyond Philly,
Speaker 1: you know, state property and beans in that whole thing.
Speaker 1: Like everybody was super invested the routes. Um And, I think,
Speaker 1: you know what, like Meet being the new younger generation,
Speaker 1: but also going through what he went through and coming
Speaker 1: through the way that he came through. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like he's not only put himself in a position that
Speaker 1: he's a champion in Philly. I think that's gone way
Speaker 1: beyond too. Yeah. I um, I just feel like the
Speaker 1: hip hop history is so rich and it starts from
Speaker 1: actually history, but actually you guys are originators, like you
Speaker 1: you gotta claim that you have to. We were one
Speaker 1: of them, you know, it was it was you know,
Speaker 1: it was a time, like I said, we didn't know
Speaker 1: what we were doing. We were we were thinking that
Speaker 1: we were imitating New York, you know, and Philly is
Speaker 1: a very DJ heavy city. It was the DJ was first.
Speaker 1: That only happened because we thought the DJ was first
Speaker 1: in New York. We didn't realize that the rapper took
Speaker 1: precedent and then the DJ was the person to back
Speaker 1: him up. We came with like, listen to DJ is first,
Speaker 1: and the rapper tells anybody how great the DJ was.
Speaker 1: That's that was me and Will's dynamic. That was Steady
Speaker 1: be In in his DJ's dynamic. You know, that was that.
Speaker 1: But that was what we thought. We thought. That's how
Speaker 1: it was so not realizing that you kind of created
Speaker 1: your own version, you know, your own spin on it
Speaker 1: that you know, it was kind of okay, you know,
Speaker 1: but because like I said, we didn't have videos and
Speaker 1: all the rest of that to kind of make everything seamless,
Speaker 1: you know, it was just kind of like I gotta tape.
Speaker 1: I don't know what Cowboy looked like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what d mel looked like so, you know, in my head,
Speaker 1: I'm imagining, you know, I remember seeing the first picture
Speaker 1: of you know, Theatore and the fans Plastic five, and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out who was who, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: when I found out the light skin, Dude, ain't they
Speaker 1: you know? So you know it was it was all
Speaker 1: of this is priests? Are you just making it up
Speaker 1: as you go along? Now? How you like? Throughout all
Speaker 1: your years, you never got in trouble, Like, at least
Speaker 1: it's a public guy like, You're not a scandal. It's
Speaker 1: not Google, would you know what man like? Because Instagram
Speaker 1: wasn't a live listen. If it wouldn't be listen, it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be hip hop, would not be hip hop. You know. Um,
Speaker 1: but you know, I think just listen. I in spite
Speaker 1: of how willing the records that we made, none of
Speaker 1: us grew up in the best environment. You know. We
Speaker 1: grew up in inner City, We grew up in Philly.
Speaker 1: You know, we had our share of ship and just
Speaker 1: you know, and and it was what it was. But
Speaker 1: it was kind of like, you know, I think our
Speaker 1: approach was, we're not really telling the story of where
Speaker 1: we grew up but that doesn't hide how we grew up.
Speaker 1: But growing up like that one thing that you developed
Speaker 1: is smart that it's kind of like you don't tell
Speaker 1: your business, you don't put your business out there. And
Speaker 1: I think some of those old school lessons that I got,
Speaker 1: I just kept with me that it's kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's no one is squeaky clean. It just
Speaker 1: depends on who sees your dirt. But you see how
Speaker 1: easy it is nowadays, Like these new kids they're saying
Speaker 1: and then the next day, the next day they're on
Speaker 1: their tomorrow sniff and cocaine off Kimberly. I see, you
Speaker 1: know what we never we never had a twenty four
Speaker 1: hour a day camera on you telling like, you know
Speaker 1: what's messed up about this generation? They put the camera
Speaker 1: on themselves. The people. I was like, let me ask
Speaker 1: you a question. If you got in trouble, would you
Speaker 1: go to Alvy Square Mall in New York in the
Speaker 1: food course that bring out your trouble? And everybody's like no,
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's what you just did. That's
Speaker 1: exactly what you just did. And the people don't understand that.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like you know, you you that's how
Speaker 1: you know I've come from the same I just used
Speaker 1: that same reference the other day about obviously we're going
Speaker 1: to do it to be to the side and said album.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's the crazy thing is they actually but um,
Speaker 1: but I've seen I seen a documentary one time. We're
Speaker 1: talking about you and Will on tour, and I think
Speaker 1: y'all was on Queen lot Teeth with Chalk and everybody
Speaker 1: was looking at y'all different because y'all had pop records.
Speaker 1: They was considered pop records at the time. And y'all
Speaker 1: was going on every single night and still bosting ass
Speaker 1: on stage because that's that's what it was about. Kid
Speaker 1: with the records, y'all. You know, like when when we
Speaker 1: when we went to New York when we did the
Speaker 1: whole lot of Union Square and all the rest of that.
Speaker 1: We have one record, you know, we're going up did
Speaker 1: to do girls Ain't nothing but trouble. But it's kind
Speaker 1: of like, yo, okay, well we gotta do this freestyle,
Speaker 1: you gotta DJ, we're gonna bring out the beat box,
Speaker 1: like our job is to entertain you. So it's kind
Speaker 1: of like, man, listen, that the least important thing for
Speaker 1: us on the show was the record, like we the
Speaker 1: records are given. Anybody know the record, but we gotta
Speaker 1: get him with all this other stuff. Let me ask
Speaker 1: you something. So you as a DJ, right and when
Speaker 1: people cultique records like that and you're out DJ and like,
Speaker 1: because you know, I assume you and you you know
Speaker 1: the records that that planning. Did you ever like come
Speaker 1: and try to persuade like the group to go a
Speaker 1: different direction? Like you know what I'm saying, OK, Like
Speaker 1: I don't mess with people's creative direction. You know. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like you know this this this is you're
Speaker 1: doing something that's inside of you. And you know, to me,
Speaker 1: is you have the ability to say if you like
Speaker 1: it or you don't. I ain't really got the ability
Speaker 1: to tell nobody change shit, you know, because that's I
Speaker 1: don't want anybody to tell me to do the same thing.
Speaker 1: You know. It's all subjective. You know, every A and
Speaker 1: R that you talked to at every record company was
Speaker 1: giving you their opinion. Nobody's opinion. Law, how did you connect? Um?
Speaker 1: I was really big in the city uh as a DJ,
Speaker 1: and Will was in the crew. Um he was in
Speaker 1: the crew in a sexon city in Windfield and you know,
Speaker 1: you know of people, you know because a lot of
Speaker 1: times we're on the same show. Um. And it was
Speaker 1: crazy because this was pre cell phone, page or any
Speaker 1: of that. So when you had to get a call
Speaker 1: because he was in the house, and I got a
Speaker 1: call like yo, somebody wants to do this house party
Speaker 1: on fifty four from Windwood, and I was like cool,
Speaker 1: and I picked up the phone and you know, picked
Speaker 1: up the phone and called the guy that used to
Speaker 1: MC for me and he went in the house. Couldn't
Speaker 1: page him and nothing. So it was kind of like, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go do the party. You know, I just
Speaker 1: can't get him. And when I showed up, it was
Speaker 1: two doors down from Will's house, and as soon as
Speaker 1: I was chilled up to set my stuff up, he
Speaker 1: came in the basement and it was kind of like
Speaker 1: we knew each other, dapt each other up. He was like, yo,
Speaker 1: where's your man Ice? And I was like yeah, I
Speaker 1: couldn't find him, and he was like, yo, you mind
Speaker 1: if I rocked? And I was like nah, And it
Speaker 1: was just a natural chemistry that we had that night. Listen,
Speaker 1: I kept saying, if Ice would have picked up that phone,
Speaker 1: I might not be sitting here, you know, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: It was just you know, and then that turned into
Speaker 1: what you're doing? Them are what are you doing next Saturday?
Speaker 1: What are you doing? And it was probably seven months
Speaker 1: later we had a record out. What was the moment
Speaker 1: where you was like I made it was the parents
Speaker 1: just don't understand. There's there's a point in time that
Speaker 1: I still don't think I had that moment. What you have?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, you know what I think? Um? When
Speaker 1: we we we when we put out pants, I meant
Speaker 1: we had signed of Rush and UM management and I
Speaker 1: remember when we played them and he's the DJ on
Speaker 1: the rap for hour Russell listened to it and Russell
Speaker 1: said this is going to be gold in four weeks
Speaker 1: and he was just like the US management UM and
Speaker 1: we and we didn't believe him, and and the record
Speaker 1: actually went gold in five weeks. But what it was,
Speaker 1: we were on tour and it was kind of like
Speaker 1: you started to tour off in your the third actor
Speaker 1: going and then a week later you're the fourth factor
Speaker 1: going on, and then a week later you're the fifth
Speaker 1: actor go on, and you're not realizing why they're moving
Speaker 1: you up. And it was we do any shows with
Speaker 1: run DMC and like it was a pack tour. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And it was kind of like every night, you know,
Speaker 1: will start coming to me. He's like, yo, like is
Speaker 1: it me or is the cheers getting louder? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I can't tell, like you know, it's
Speaker 1: you know. And it was one night he did parents
Speaker 1: just don't Understand and and he said the first verse,
Speaker 1: and he told me that he was gonna try something.
Speaker 1: He said the first verse and then he said in
Speaker 1: between the first and second verse, he was like, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say the first line and I want everybody
Speaker 1: to say the second line, which was really dangerous because
Speaker 1: if nobody said ship, we would have been And he said,
Speaker 1: I remember one year my mom took me school shopping
Speaker 1: in twenty five thousand people answering, and and that was it.
Speaker 1: That was kind of like because once again, when you're
Speaker 1: on the road, you don't you know, you don't have
Speaker 1: any frame of reference if your record is getting big,
Speaker 1: you know, I know. So it was kind of like, yo,
Speaker 1: like this is crazy, you know. And it was, you know,
Speaker 1: before we end up getting off the tour, we're right
Speaker 1: before run DMC was, was that ever rough between you
Speaker 1: and world? I want nah, nah, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: trust me, you have grown pains, you know, because we
Speaker 1: started off so young. But it was wild because one
Speaker 1: of the first times right after we got together, I
Speaker 1: mean we sat on the steps um and it was
Speaker 1: wild because of me Will the manager, Jail and Charlie
Speaker 1: matt Um and yeah, I saw and Will was like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: I want to do movies. And I was like, I
Speaker 1: want to do music for the movie. So people would
Speaker 1: always be like, didn't get strange, you know, did you
Speaker 1: feel like Will left? He was like, nah, Like this
Speaker 1: was planning from day one. None of this was music.
Speaker 1: You were scoring most of the movies. I was like,
Speaker 1: I did all the music on The Fresh Prince of
Speaker 1: bel Air. The thing still, I'm gonna tell you something,
Speaker 1: you know what. And somebody said this to me not
Speaker 1: too long ago, and and and it freaked me out.
Speaker 1: He came up to me and he said, let me
Speaker 1: ask you a question. What is the biggest hip hop
Speaker 1: record in the world. And I started going down the
Speaker 1: list and like Dr J Snoop Emina, and he was
Speaker 1: like the Fresh Prince of bel Air. He said, that
Speaker 1: is the biggest everybody knows that everybody was in the
Speaker 1: world was an over dred and and I never thought
Speaker 1: of that, you know, especially when you realize you record
Speaker 1: it was. Was that just the theme for the show.
Speaker 1: Did you actually drop a record? Um? The record company
Speaker 1: put something out that I found out that whole show
Speaker 1: was made for the ship. We made it for the show. Wow,
Speaker 1: Uncle Phil passing away, what you had a relationship, very
Speaker 1: very good. Like he was like hip Hop's uncle. He
Speaker 1: you know what, because that was like our family like that,
Speaker 1: like the Fresh Prince was everybody from the project. That's
Speaker 1: what we greamed of doing, Like somebody, We're having a
Speaker 1: rich family somewhere and everything gonna flies out. We're gonna
Speaker 1: live in Bellair and Uncle Phild's gonna be all all good.
Speaker 1: And so I think hip Hop took that one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like hip Hop Actually, I mean he was. He was.
Speaker 1: He was my vacation dude that because he would, you know,
Speaker 1: in the off season, he would just get in the
Speaker 1: car and him and his friends would drive from cross
Speaker 1: country and they would they he could tell you every
Speaker 1: great restaurant, every great beach, like he they were traveling.
Speaker 1: So you know, I would go to him. He's like, yo,
Speaker 1: if you know, the best beach in the world is
Speaker 1: in kN Kom and the best restaurant is here. Um.
Speaker 1: But he would always pull you aside drop some knowledge.
Speaker 1: He was a huge music and jazz fan, so I
Speaker 1: would always, you know, go in his room and he
Speaker 1: would slide me new CDs and and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: When he was he was he was cool. He was
Speaker 1: really cool. What's what's your favorite ever in hip hop? Nineties?
Speaker 1: On that nineties? Gonna give you ten years or what
Speaker 1: ninety two? I would almost say, no, not necessary. I
Speaker 1: would say probably between eighty eight. Okay, this fucking phenomenal years.
Speaker 1: That's a great decade. So let's let's takes Sea Ansars
Speaker 1: in there. Him is in there there, we'll tang Tang'll
Speaker 1: take him out Nary too, so we'll tang the discovery
Speaker 1: of mutanger. What's something that that that shocked you in
Speaker 1: hip hops? When you sat back, he was like, I
Speaker 1: can't believe hip hop went this far um because you
Speaker 1: come up with the morals, but you know what, you
Speaker 1: know what it is. It's kind of like when you
Speaker 1: come from the Moralds. You saw how it got m more.
Speaker 1: No one gave a shit about hip hop until they
Speaker 1: realized that hip hop was making money. When we boycotted
Speaker 1: the Grammys, it was because you wanted to put it
Speaker 1: on television or you wanted to exploit it on television,
Speaker 1: but you didn't want to show the category. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, hip hop is hip hop. Hip Hop was, arguably,
Speaker 1: and I want to say this might have been eight
Speaker 1: arguably the top three music genre in the world. If
Speaker 1: you got nine country and what ston categories that you're televising,
Speaker 1: then you're gonna televise one of these hip hop categories
Speaker 1: because on the scale, it should be up there every
Speaker 1: hip hop category and should be up there based off
Speaker 1: of the level of the music. And so for them
Speaker 1: to kind of disrespect it, and this was at a
Speaker 1: point in time that you had radio and talk show
Speaker 1: hosts that were blatantly saying hip hop is a faddis.
Speaker 1: So you're together, y'a boycott the after ye we were just,
Speaker 1: you know, we got together, Salt and Pepper, everybody who
Speaker 1: was nominated, and we were just like, we're not going.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go to all of the functions and we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about why we're not going because they not
Speaker 1: only were we nominated, but they wanted me and Will
Speaker 1: to perform. So we were like NA and understand at
Speaker 1: that time saying no, you don't know if this is
Speaker 1: the kiss of death, Like are you in a position
Speaker 1: to say nothing that they're just gonna say? You know,
Speaker 1: but everybody kind of banded together. Um, and that's why,
Speaker 1: you know, hip hop has kind of for for a
Speaker 1: while kind of gotten to be a staple in the
Speaker 1: grand news. But you also watched when you started when
Speaker 1: people started making real money in hip hop, and they
Speaker 1: started noticing when it got to a point that somebody
Speaker 1: like mc hammer sold twelve million records and now you know,
Speaker 1: through media you're starting to see the fruits of his
Speaker 1: labor more then people. Then you started to realize corporate
Speaker 1: America is going to turn in. It's no different than
Speaker 1: the DJ culture. You know, I'm in DJ and for
Speaker 1: thirty something years, so being inside the bubble before the
Speaker 1: bubble got big, you got DJs into making six hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a night a night, I'm like, yo, But
Speaker 1: all of that happened when corporate America realized. As soon
Speaker 1: as you put Calvin Harris made sixty seven million dollars
Speaker 1: in orbs. Now everybody wants to be a DJ because
Speaker 1: it's now it's big business, so you start, you know,
Speaker 1: I think I think there's a level of hip hop
Speaker 1: that does not belong to hip hop and like sub
Speaker 1: genre type of stuff or just you know what, I
Speaker 1: don't believe that. I don't believe that a lot of
Speaker 1: the commercial hip hop that's on the radio is picked
Speaker 1: by the fans for sure, like something like like trust me,
Speaker 1: They're just like yeah, So it's kind of like it's
Speaker 1: almost like they're never gonna say it, but we we
Speaker 1: let you hear what we want you to hear. Like
Speaker 1: that's why the underground has always been a certain level
Speaker 1: of purity because you can't really control that, Like you
Speaker 1: gotta seek and look for stuff. But the stuff you're saying,
Speaker 1: like a label can pay for the next that it's
Speaker 1: just terrible, you know, but it's just kind of like
Speaker 1: you don't realize that you don't have that level of control.
Speaker 1: But that level of control is only because of the money.
Speaker 1: As a DJ, have you ever as a person ever
Speaker 1: came to you and said, ye'all want to pay you
Speaker 1: to play my records? Every time you spend like no,
Speaker 1: I mean no, and I've been fortunate enough to keep
Speaker 1: myself out of the circle. You know that. It's just
Speaker 1: kind of like, because that's what's the new thing now,
Speaker 1: DJ is kind of big. Artists go to them, pay
Speaker 1: the dji him three grand and the DJ playing him
Speaker 1: and then and he's the only DJ playing up. So
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, you know, you know he got
Speaker 1: because it's like no one else playing, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So, I mean, I think that lowers the
Speaker 1: integrity of a DJ. How about you here. I know,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. It happens like said, you know, you use
Speaker 1: DJ in a lot in a couple of times and
Speaker 1: person came up to you. It was like, y'all over
Speaker 1: your described. You don't have to you know, don't please
Speaker 1: give you as okay right now, just my record? Oh wow,
Speaker 1: what I'm saying happen often. It okay, yeah, but you
Speaker 1: know they're doing that now, like I think all this
Speaker 1: we're talking about, Yeah, but it's now it's like social
Speaker 1: media is almost becoming the DJ two. Now they're paying
Speaker 1: people on social media to do something, to record, to
Speaker 1: play a record, like yeah, I heard that, I'm paying
Speaker 1: people to stream records now, so there's like companies in
Speaker 1: Japan and everything he's saying about like how people aren't
Speaker 1: really choosing anything. Algorithms is the same thing, like you
Speaker 1: think you're picking something, but it's being chosen for you.
Speaker 1: But but is it our choice to turn on the
Speaker 1: radio and then know these songs? Because some of these
Speaker 1: songs I hate, but I know every word of that's
Speaker 1: program A programmer told me that they actually have a
Speaker 1: mathematical equation that they know if they play a record
Speaker 1: a certain amount of times and the day it's gonna
Speaker 1: get stuck in your head. Have you been disgusted from
Speaker 1: hip hop yet? Yeah? I wasn't say he kept too positive.
Speaker 1: You don't say no, Yeah. I mean the funny thing is,
Speaker 1: I think I've been just disgusted at some level moment
Speaker 1: from the beginning, Like there's a listen, there's always been
Speaker 1: a good size and a bad side. I said that,
Speaker 1: there's always like I'm like, yo, this didn't just start
Speaker 1: that it was bad hip hop. It was bad hip
Speaker 1: hop in the night, you know, but it's just it's
Speaker 1: so much more good that you gave. Felt like the
Speaker 1: good outweigh the bad. Now that's why I'm a problem
Speaker 1: with saying sub genres in hip hop, I think it
Speaker 1: should just be good hip hop and bad hip hop.
Speaker 1: Can't know because it's been bad. You start making excuses
Speaker 1: for ship, you know, like, oh no, because this is
Speaker 1: I'm this genre of hip hop. You know, I can't
Speaker 1: say good and bad because just because I don't like
Speaker 1: it and subjective. No, I'm saying it subjective. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that it's automatic whatever you think it's good and bad.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I still I don't want to call it
Speaker 1: bad as I don't like it. Like there's certain people,
Speaker 1: there's certain artists that I don't like them, but I
Speaker 1: get why other people like them, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And it's like, so I don't want I wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to call them back, but I can't. I can never
Speaker 1: criticize somebody that I don't like because I don't eat cheese.
Speaker 1: I don't think people who eat cheese are bad. It's
Speaker 1: just something that I don't do. So it's just kind
Speaker 1: of like, you know, if it's stuff that you don't do,
Speaker 1: now it gets a little interesting. As a DJ, you
Speaker 1: have you gotta figure but you gotta you gotta figure out, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and and there's some people that won't draw
Speaker 1: the line, you know, or or draw a hard line
Speaker 1: at curating, and you know, I think it's once again
Speaker 1: it's subjective. It's kind of like, you know, what type
Speaker 1: of DJI are you? But that's why the DJ is
Speaker 1: own entity as an artist, because people buy into what
Speaker 1: your tasted. Yes, you have a DJ, and that somebody
Speaker 1: came with you is like play some to COPSI six
Speaker 1: times now, because once again, if you're smart, you know
Speaker 1: how to navigate yourself that you're not putting yourself and
Speaker 1: I'm situations. I had a Vegas residency for seven years.
Speaker 1: You know, me and DJ A M you know, had
Speaker 1: great times in Vegas because we would pushed out of it.
Speaker 1: It was, you know, like I always had a massive
Speaker 1: level of respect for him. I never forget one of
Speaker 1: the first time that I went to Vegas and he
Speaker 1: was playing and I walked in and it's two thousand people,
Speaker 1: it's one thirty at night, and he was like, yo,
Speaker 1: did you did you hit a new Bob Deep record?
Speaker 1: And I was like no, and he was like y'all
Speaker 1: And I said, what then are you doing? But like
Speaker 1: he just dropped it. But there was a level of
Speaker 1: respect that I had for that, and he's kind of like, Yo,
Speaker 1: I'm the DJ, I'm the train conductor. Everybody's on my train.
Speaker 1: They're gonna go wherever I take him, you know, And
Speaker 1: you respected that. But you also saw throughout the years
Speaker 1: Vegas change. You know, you you they got a list
Speaker 1: this is what we want you to play. Listen, I
Speaker 1: played Vegas, have to play a record that you didn't like,
Speaker 1: but you knew that this was popping for the crowd. Oh,
Speaker 1: I do that all the time. I'll do it. But
Speaker 1: but like I said, it's which is a whole another conversation.
Speaker 1: You gotta understand the definition the the goal of the
Speaker 1: DJ or the job description of the DJs. You are
Speaker 1: a servant of the people. You're not a servant of yourself.
Speaker 1: You're a servant of the people that your job is
Speaker 1: to play what the people like. It depends on how
Speaker 1: much work, depending on how much you want to play
Speaker 1: that the people like. There are some people that draw
Speaker 1: the line. I am completely respectful for the the the
Speaker 1: keep it real DJ and I only played nineties hip
Speaker 1: hop and all of that said that, I'm with that,
Speaker 1: But if there's only one nineties hip hop party of month.
Speaker 1: Then you can't complain about the work you're gonna Like,
Speaker 1: you can't say I want to play nineties music but
Speaker 1: somebody on the book me every night, But you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't have it both ways. But it's kind of
Speaker 1: like you have to decipher how much of a servant
Speaker 1: of the people you're going to be, you know, and
Speaker 1: I may have to play that Takashi six nine record,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, depending on how you want
Speaker 1: to walk it. All Right, well, I got it. I
Speaker 1: download a little leog album. I'm trying. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: stay you know with the new batteries again at batteries right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: just going on left right out of me. We're ready.
Speaker 1: So didn't you'll have to like be for MC searchs
Speaker 1: or something like that. Man, I don't know, happy for
Speaker 1: some somebody. Gotta we gotta have some for somebody. Happy
Speaker 1: for somebody. You really could get through a hip hop
Speaker 1: like that. Listen, it ain't over. It's that's that's true.
Speaker 1: So like you know, um, you're speaking only when you
Speaker 1: first Matt will right, Um, he is a lee like
Speaker 1: you know, of our people right like this is that
Speaker 1: they probably won't ever be a Will Smith. Did you
Speaker 1: see that from him? Again? All Day? Get All Day,
Speaker 1: All Day, Um, one of the first shows that we did.
Speaker 1: And I used to play all the noise moments in
Speaker 1: love and he would do girls, Ain't that in My
Speaker 1: Trouble over there? And I remember watching three hundred people
Speaker 1: stared at his mouth, hang on every word of a
Speaker 1: story because they're visualizing the story. And I was like,
Speaker 1: that's power when you can communicate like that, that's power. Wow,
Speaker 1: Like all day And you knew he would he would
Speaker 1: be this guy like you know some of the movies
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, he represents hip hop, right,
Speaker 1: and like I love the fact, like you know, somebody
Speaker 1: I idolized because I wanted to continue to be involved
Speaker 1: with him, popular wanted to do other things. I just
Speaker 1: want to do it my way. So I'm doing it
Speaker 1: my version of you know what I'm saying. But when
Speaker 1: you look at like like some of the movies he did,
Speaker 1: like he's crying on impulse, Like how do you do that? Listen?
Speaker 1: I've seen him do that with his girl back in
Speaker 1: the door. I seen him getting some trouble and you
Speaker 1: could try and I said, how did you trying to
Speaker 1: sque like. I was like, yo, like that's I don't
Speaker 1: know how you even get that look like I spitting
Speaker 1: on like so yeah, like he had it. You see
Speaker 1: that from back then? Yeah, it's pre recorded this hell.
Speaker 1: You know. I was like, you're the best day ever?
Speaker 1: Did it? And that is acting? That is acting, is
Speaker 1: acting on impulse. That that's something I tried to do
Speaker 1: that I can't. I ain't got it. Yeah, that's that's it.
Speaker 1: I ain't Yeah, trying to get man thinking about like that,
Speaker 1: that's like that it wouldn't work for me. That's why
Speaker 1: I know. I ain't got it. Man, I ain't got
Speaker 1: but yet certain people could do that. But I just
Speaker 1: you know, for hip hop him l l ice Cube,
Speaker 1: I like, look at and you know a lot of times,
Speaker 1: you know, people claim them as actors and I been
Speaker 1: wanting to stop them, like like they hip hop first,
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying, Like they hip hop
Speaker 1: and UM to see the to see the position that
Speaker 1: you know, they've took it it to for us to
Speaker 1: continue to go, it's just amazing, man. It was. It
Speaker 1: was hard in the beginning because people people thought that
Speaker 1: they fought well when when when he got the TV show.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of backlash because for some reason,
Speaker 1: just the industry, hip hop industry, you know, UM and TV. Right, No,
Speaker 1: it wasn't even settling out. It was almost like we
Speaker 1: had this weird thing that people thought you can only
Speaker 1: do one thing exactly. It was like your hip hop
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be hip hop until the day that
Speaker 1: you die. It's kind of like, you know, I like
Speaker 1: other stuff, you know, like and all of that stuff
Speaker 1: is super accepted now that I wasn't accepted in the beginning.
Speaker 1: Like people fought and just like you, you're trying to
Speaker 1: act like what are you doing because it was you guys.
Speaker 1: Latifa was doing that too, And I remember like people
Speaker 1: saying like but but they were using like that that
Speaker 1: sound out like they were using us word because but
Speaker 1: you know what, you know what that I mean back
Speaker 1: in the days when they were saying to sell out
Speaker 1: that meant you just get money, Like I know what's about.
Speaker 1: It was like they were hats back in the days,
Speaker 1: like if you was a something that means you was wretched,
Speaker 1: let's make some noise for that. Goddamnity. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: the show. One of my favorite songs of all time,
Speaker 1: the Summertime talk to us about the making. Did you
Speaker 1: guys know that record was gonna be as big as
Speaker 1: if he Can? I remember watching the video for the
Speaker 1: first time on the show. Wouldn't they and their intermation
Speaker 1: or something like, let me tell you something. I judge
Speaker 1: people barbecues, but based on if they play summer Time
Speaker 1: or not. Nigger. If they don't play smer Time about
Speaker 1: your food is tracked. She got not cant doing nothing else, dude.
Speaker 1: But if I don't here Summertime, I own them. At
Speaker 1: least just put your food down. I'm sorry. I throw
Speaker 1: it out there to mean sorry, I got I got
Speaker 1: a little clearer. I mean, you know we um it
Speaker 1: was funny. That was the first year that Will was
Speaker 1: on the show. Um. And you know we east ghost fall,
Speaker 1: leaves turn brown, get a little chilly there. You're jacking
Speaker 1: off winter snow. You got your bomber ski hat. Spring,
Speaker 1: you know, first day of spring and seventy degrees. We
Speaker 1: go overboard and we don'ta throw some shorts on and
Speaker 1: think think think it's hot. But you see the girl
Speaker 1: that you ain't seen all something, and she got a
Speaker 1: little thick. Your man got a new car and he
Speaker 1: he now shining. And what happened was he was in
Speaker 1: l A. So it's ninety in the in the winter.
Speaker 1: So I remember him calling me in the spring, you know,
Speaker 1: the first nice day we had. It was just like yo,
Speaker 1: what's up? And I'm just like yo, So I just
Speaker 1: said she ball, she stocked now and set us just
Speaker 1: got a new car and set us up, you know,
Speaker 1: and he was like, damn, I missed that, Like and
Speaker 1: I never thought about that, Like, Yo, you don't get
Speaker 1: the seasons changing, so you don't have that in nostalgia.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit different, you know. You know, it's
Speaker 1: it's nineties Christmas. So that was the inspire easing that
Speaker 1: it was like, yo, like I'm I missed summertime in Philly.
Speaker 1: I missed these nuances. And it was crazy because not
Speaker 1: realizing that every place has their own nuance didn't have
Speaker 1: to be what he talked about, Um, yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: universal record. And it was kind of like we put
Speaker 1: the record out and you know, it was everybody loved
Speaker 1: it or something like it. You know. But then what
Speaker 1: happened was the next summer came and you was kind
Speaker 1: of like, okay, that ship is over with and then
Speaker 1: it's kind of like it's here again. And then the
Speaker 1: next summer came and it was it was here again,
Speaker 1: and it was kind of like to me as an artist,
Speaker 1: we dreamed to have something that never dies. Yes, you
Speaker 1: dream to have that legacy record that you know sometimes
Speaker 1: it's gonna be three thousand years old. Yeah, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be and you can't you can't plays. We can go
Speaker 1: to Mars. We can still still here summertimes. All right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest. I'll tell you that that is
Speaker 1: a unit virtue. Today is a good day, ice Cube,
Speaker 1: That's one of them. Whenever you have a good day, whenever,
Speaker 1: like ship is real, Like you just gotta listen to
Speaker 1: ice Cube. But I was about when you know that
Speaker 1: it's springs, like because it's a certain smell spring is leaving,
Speaker 1: and when you know where summer is coming, and I
Speaker 1: just need to hear that something. Somebody's car. See, I'm
Speaker 1: a barb with you guy me so I got the
Speaker 1: head of the barbercue. I'm gonna going out of there. Man,
Speaker 1: I'll take it personal. So so you guys, uh, you
Speaker 1: you go on tour. Uh he does h the fresh
Speaker 1: Princess that he starts going into into movies. Who was
Speaker 1: the first one Independence Day? Uh? No, he did the Fish.
Speaker 1: First movie was, uh, I want to say this movie
Speaker 1: called Where the Day Takes You, but I think he
Speaker 1: played a homeless man. But it was kind of like
Speaker 1: his first like trying to getting getting into it. And
Speaker 1: then um, he did uh the thing with Nia and
Speaker 1: Ted dancing and Whoopie Goldberg. I forgot the name of that. Um,
Speaker 1: but it was just you know, you started seeing you
Speaker 1: started seeing the roles coming. Um that the first time
Speaker 1: hip hop is actually interim movie world. Yeah, to that level,
Speaker 1: because you know it was funny. Um, you know, there
Speaker 1: was a bunch of people that kind of came up.
Speaker 1: Queen was doing it for the female and yeah you
Speaker 1: do it and wrong new Jack but there's no rapper
Speaker 1: ye okay, okay, but New Jack City came out. I
Speaker 1: mean we went to the screen of New Jack City,
Speaker 1: I want to set the fresh prints. So it was
Speaker 1: kind of like everybody was trying to get their field,
Speaker 1: you know, And then it was I think what it
Speaker 1: was we were also stereotyped as rappers that it's kind
Speaker 1: of like you gotta play the role that he played
Speaker 1: and New Jack's City, UM, and I think, um, you know,
Speaker 1: Will would kind of play this funny guy. And you know,
Speaker 1: I remember when he did that movie, um, six Degrees
Speaker 1: of Separation, UM, and I remember him talking about, like, Yo,
Speaker 1: I'm there's certain you know, black directors and people that
Speaker 1: I want to work with that I can't seem to
Speaker 1: break through. And when he did that movie, that movie
Speaker 1: was so far left and he did such a great
Speaker 1: job that it separated him from everybody else that it
Speaker 1: got to the point that it's kind of like, down,
Speaker 1: I'm getting calls from everybody. But I remember, you know
Speaker 1: when when when he did that was probably one of
Speaker 1: the first times that I realized how in depth being
Speaker 1: an actor is, because like it was crazy because we
Speaker 1: were going through a little bit of a friction, and
Speaker 1: the the mood that he had to get into play
Speaker 1: that role offered a lot of compassion and that kind
Speaker 1: of enabled us to sit down and squash whatever friction
Speaker 1: that we had. But it was wild because he was like, yo,
Speaker 1: you know, like sometimes you go these places and you
Speaker 1: you don't know how to get back, you know, because
Speaker 1: you know, like it's the whole thing that you know,
Speaker 1: like they said, Denzel becomes every character he is. I
Speaker 1: watched that what I watched the entire time that Will
Speaker 1: did alive. He never spoke to me out of Ali's character.
Speaker 1: And it was the weirdest ship in the world. Listen.
Speaker 1: He would talk to me to the point that I
Speaker 1: had to get off the phone because he would talk
Speaker 1: to me as mannerisms and all, you know, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, you laughing off because I'm waiting for you
Speaker 1: to break and he would never break. And I'll call
Speaker 1: you back, you know, but you realize how deep you
Speaker 1: got to get into that. I think it's called us.
Speaker 1: I was on the set with some dude right that
Speaker 1: it's not pretty, it's not that cool because like he
Speaker 1: was a dick in the movie, so he has to
Speaker 1: be a dick like like so that this dude is
Speaker 1: just walking about and your homeboys the last this ship
Speaker 1: is said Colorad. Alright, that's just that's another again, my
Speaker 1: my bad, that's my stuff. But yeah, like the level
Speaker 1: that that he has helped hoping up, like do you
Speaker 1: guys because this, yes, y'all I can see together is
Speaker 1: that like I like, I went to all the party.
Speaker 1: It was a Netflix party that he had. Um that
Speaker 1: the ship that the new movie had just happened, right,
Speaker 1: and it was crazy. And I walked I walked in,
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about there was so many white people.
Speaker 1: God bless, there were so many white people. But I'm
Speaker 1: looking and I'm like, do they know about here? And
Speaker 1: I look and this is also it was real funny
Speaker 1: for me because I said, up nor, I said, I
Speaker 1: you know, I don't even didn't know me, but it
Speaker 1: was hilarious. Man, I ain't gonna lie. I love. I
Speaker 1: love what you guys did for hip hop. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Because you guys took chances, you guys
Speaker 1: took risk. You guys make globally music first. You guys
Speaker 1: put it on the front that you know. You know, dog,
Speaker 1: you think what was going on? And wasn't you still
Speaker 1: you still who you guys were to the test of time.
Speaker 1: And look at look at your career, look at your legacy.
Speaker 1: You guys should be saluted every day. Every day you
Speaker 1: should say you sweet Jazzy Jeff motherfucking day. God damn it,
Speaker 1: God damn legacy. And so we're so, why do you
Speaker 1: still DJ? You still love it? You still do? I
Speaker 1: love it? Man, I DJ more now than I ever
Speaker 1: did in my entire I work one now than I
Speaker 1: ever worked in my life ever. And it's because isn't
Speaker 1: the is the feeling that you're addicted to the same thing.
Speaker 1: Don't ask you a question. I'm not talking the music
Speaker 1: business or any of that. Are you smarter than you
Speaker 1: were when you put out your first album? Absolutely? Do
Speaker 1: you think you you you're more lyrical than you are.
Speaker 1: Your vocabulary grown since you put out your first album.
Speaker 1: Probably not. I'm probably a kidn't differ. I'm different vocabulary,
Speaker 1: but everything else I got smart. Yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: kind of like you you you know how to navigate
Speaker 1: it exactly. You know, you know, you know how to
Speaker 1: maneuver in it. You know what I mean that, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like see for me, for artists, I got
Speaker 1: I got tired of being on stage. See dj you
Speaker 1: control the stage on the low if you actually think
Speaker 1: what you said when you first said, you said, it's
Speaker 1: a wizard. And that's the best way to kind of
Speaker 1: describe a djail. You guys are in there with your lawns.
Speaker 1: That's your lawn. But see for me to stand there
Speaker 1: and just have to keep entertaining people for a certain
Speaker 1: amount of time, I kind of like I grew that,
Speaker 1: not not in a bad way because I was still
Speaker 1: love the perform I don't ever wanted people to get
Speaker 1: that miss con screwed. But you know it's it's it's
Speaker 1: it gets it gets redundant, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because where a lot of times like the entertainment, it's
Speaker 1: not no, it's no difference between us and a stripper,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like a stripper goals and dances,
Speaker 1: and like I'm just saying, Jake asked, I think it's
Speaker 1: up the stage and hate it. I'm just saying, sometimes
Speaker 1: that's an artist. You you performed. I wnuna tell you
Speaker 1: I said the story before, but I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: this is the one time this is I kind of
Speaker 1: stopped performing. I have one of the most pruitiful times
Speaker 1: I've ever had. It hampets and we're sitting there smoking
Speaker 1: and I smoked. This is when I smoked cigarettes. And
Speaker 1: the guy he paid me. Of course he paid me,
Speaker 1: so he says, hey, you ready, let's go as who
Speaker 1: it was. Just how he's he made no harm, he
Speaker 1: made no harm, he made no disrespect. But just just
Speaker 1: just you understand what I'm saying said you're ready, let's go.
Speaker 1: He didn't even make contact with me. I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't work for you. Even though I had this money,
Speaker 1: I wasn't worked for I that day. And that's when
Speaker 1: I stopped slowing down those shows and I slowed two
Speaker 1: more bogies. This makes no noise to me. I couldn't
Speaker 1: never again, I can't do that, said, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to wait another twenty minutes. Russia didn't do it for you.
Speaker 1: When we went to Russia, Russia, they almost kill us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: kill us Russians. I ain't gonna lie. We was in
Speaker 1: the part of Russia. This is how where we are
Speaker 1: at St. Petersburg. Ever, but at the time, I don't
Speaker 1: know if it changed, but at the time it was
Speaker 1: so racist that the Russians that was with us had
Speaker 1: to wear buttons that said Russians against racism. You know
Speaker 1: you're in a racist We even gonna say we ain't
Speaker 1: doing that was terrible. Yeah, we do some ship man,
Speaker 1: God bless you. Yeah. But as an artist, I kind
Speaker 1: of I kind of feel like, you know, I've seen
Speaker 1: you know, I've seen you know what was I don't
Speaker 1: know what tip trill and you know all of the
Speaker 1: famous strippers. They always come to Miami and people always
Speaker 1: go see it. And I always, you know, every now
Speaker 1: and then I'll go and let's see. You know, I'm married, man,
Speaker 1: let's just watch you know, um, but I'm serious, but
Speaker 1: you know, and then you see these strippers that will
Speaker 1: perform and then the happiest one that someone stolen dollars
Speaker 1: on them and then they turned around and then they
Speaker 1: throw on this ice grill. And it's similar to how
Speaker 1: a person who has to perform performs, you know, because's
Speaker 1: certain people have to like there's certain people who like
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you see them like this nigg
Speaker 1: is this nig you know. But then there's people who
Speaker 1: just they love it. And when you outgrow it, you
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta fall in love back with it. You're
Speaker 1: gonna be the stripper. You're gonna be the stripper that
Speaker 1: walks over and be like, man, man, these niggers keep
Speaker 1: throwing money at me. I'm sorry, man, I don't know
Speaker 1: where about. I don't wait, ship got man, were lady
Speaker 1: to strip us and ship It's crazy. I think the
Speaker 1: difference is what you were saying. It's it's a difference
Speaker 1: between one thing to do it. Yeah, and have to
Speaker 1: do you know, when you when you when you when
Speaker 1: you want to do something, like you were saying, like
Speaker 1: you develop more love for you to develop more skills
Speaker 1: for it, like, um, you know. I remember speaking to
Speaker 1: Buster one time and Buster said to me, he said,
Speaker 1: you don't I don't do no nineties parties. And I
Speaker 1: had to ask him. I said, wow, he said, because
Speaker 1: if I do a nineties parties, that's the way they
Speaker 1: want to keep me at Do you think that's Do
Speaker 1: you think that's all? Like he feels he's gonna be
Speaker 1: pigeon hell to that. I mean Busters case. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying in the Busters case. I'm saying in your case,
Speaker 1: like or and in your case you do whatever, okay,
Speaker 1: Like it's kind of like the the thing about that
Speaker 1: if you do a nineties party, just do your nineties ship.
Speaker 1: You know that you don't have to do that everywhere.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, it's kind of like, um, you
Speaker 1: know we I pretty much know what I'm going into
Speaker 1: to a certain degree. I know how how deep I
Speaker 1: gotta go. I know how much is it me doing
Speaker 1: what I do and how much is it I have
Speaker 1: to split what I do to what you want, so
Speaker 1: you kind of you kind of know that, so I
Speaker 1: knock on wood. I'm never going into something blind, you know,
Speaker 1: just just completely like listen, I do a hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty hundred and seventy days a year wrestling. That is
Speaker 1: that is wrestling, get a lot of money. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's you understand, you know, like I know
Speaker 1: what this club is gonna be like to a certain degree,
Speaker 1: Like I got I got a range that it's gonna
Speaker 1: be here and here. You know, I know when I
Speaker 1: go overseas and I do these tours like this is
Speaker 1: this is where I'm at. You know, I know, you know,
Speaker 1: you do the bottle service, your range might have to
Speaker 1: be a little bit shifted to the left. You know,
Speaker 1: I go to Germany, I know my ship is shifted
Speaker 1: to the right, you know, and you just and you
Speaker 1: just kind of know, like that's that's your job is
Speaker 1: to kind of figure out your environment. Let's think about
Speaker 1: being a DJ is y'all think it's our geniuses. You
Speaker 1: could actually go there. Listen, my DJ. I'mna tell you
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna say no, no,
Speaker 1: never said the story, but Butcher used to always go
Speaker 1: to my show was thirty minutes before and tell me,
Speaker 1: because you know, I got Spanish records, I got fucking
Speaker 1: you know, CNN records, I got NORRY records. So what
Speaker 1: DJ would go and he would study the crown for
Speaker 1: half an hour. But this one time we didn't go.
Speaker 1: We went on time and we were late. So on time,
Speaker 1: it's late, and I kid you not, God bless his soul.
Speaker 1: Prodigy was out there on stage, but he had a
Speaker 1: DAT so he must have came as DJ him in Havings,
Speaker 1: d I think DJ missed the flight so I had
Speaker 1: never a new popcorn fly they do popcorn. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going out there. I said, no way. If
Speaker 1: they don't popcorn on that pee. This is the god
Speaker 1: at the time, my DJ, in my mind, I don't
Speaker 1: think he did it, but in my mind he smacked
Speaker 1: me and said, shut up, you're going out there. It's
Speaker 1: the first time he started with super Dog. Super Dog
Speaker 1: was closerup, what what what? And he was like fun
Speaker 1: and my mind he smacked me. I'm sure he came.
Speaker 1: What was trying? He was like, shut up and just
Speaker 1: and he never gave me the list. We didn't go
Speaker 1: with no records. He just went out there and he
Speaker 1: went to all the number one you know, the ones
Speaker 1: you saved. We went to the Rose, first five, put
Speaker 1: it in the crowd, started all night Loomotive was because
Speaker 1: like it was, it was one us all night. You
Speaker 1: saved the show. Russian guy, I just kept putting his
Speaker 1: hands on my hand in my neck because money go out.
Speaker 1: But that's why, that's why I look like a good
Speaker 1: DJ will sit there and say, y'all, I know exactly
Speaker 1: what you hey. Sometimes one time was in Germany and
Speaker 1: everybody in the crowds from her Duris. I had no
Speaker 1: idea from it made no sense. It made no sense
Speaker 1: from my DJ. My DJ was in the crowd and
Speaker 1: knew that, and he played my Spanish record, So I
Speaker 1: killed the ground. Let's basically geman want the spars. I'm sorry, man,
Speaker 1: go on, think if I'm not wrong, he's that crazy.
Speaker 1: Ain't crack back. Then let's talk time. DJ lat me
Speaker 1: come on at tracks going on. I see you on
Speaker 1: the day. That's right, that's something that's crazy going on.
Speaker 1: Baby man, Real DJ ship Man, Real DJ was gonna
Speaker 1: love Real DJ ship. You know how much I listened
Speaker 1: to every time I see you. I tell y'all listen
Speaker 1: to the Oh listen, you guys got any questions, but
Speaker 1: come on, I know you gotta be inspiration to y'all,
Speaker 1: to me, to y'all. You know, then listen, you don't.
Speaker 1: That's the one. Let's make some ually like on that
Speaker 1: career bad right now, That's what we were saying. The longevity,
Speaker 1: the longest here you could speak into it. Someone you
Speaker 1: give a child, man, I'm sorry, we don't organized eyes.
Speaker 1: Come on, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, this guy's incredible. Man.
Speaker 1: We we we we we we salute our legends over here,
Speaker 1: and then it will be something you know, legends to
Speaker 1: it exactly, exactly, crazy as the Pride of Miami. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: and listen, I didn't start as young as a track.
Speaker 1: So how young did you start? I started at thirteen?
Speaker 1: Was wait a minute, world champion? Yeah yeah, yeah, pick
Speaker 1: that up? Whoa wait? Wait wait? The world champion of that?
Speaker 1: It was? It was the DMC World Championships. We all
Speaker 1: used to do all these battles. Jeff before us, but
Speaker 1: me and Craz won a bunch of these world titles.
Speaker 1: When how were you to do when I saw you
Speaker 1: that first battle of fifteen. That's the real and DJs
Speaker 1: rappers don't notice. DJs is you're starting out real real,
Speaker 1: like you don't get paid good at first. You gotta
Speaker 1: be good to get paid because there's a lot of locals, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that don't really get paid. Yeah, you know what, shut up.
Speaker 1: Shout out to the DJ's held all down. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: big up to all the club dj and the DJs
Speaker 1: that have residencies every week because they hold down their
Speaker 1: market and their their job is actually tougher than ours,
Speaker 1: I think because if they don't, like Jeff was talking
Speaker 1: about being a servant of the crowd, you know, at
Speaker 1: least we have the luxury to have a certain weights
Speaker 1: our name, so when we show up in the venue,
Speaker 1: we can still steer it where we want. But if
Speaker 1: you're the resident DJ at the club and you're not
Speaker 1: playing with the crowd wants, don't just leave. They'll they'll leave,
Speaker 1: they'll leave the dance floor. The manager will take you off.
Speaker 1: Like Actually, those that like their jobs like it's like
Speaker 1: the y'allow the closer DJ's right, So is there a
Speaker 1: rule like the opening DJ comes, this is their records
Speaker 1: that he shouldn't play. It used to be ethics there's no,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying that there should be. But now there's
Speaker 1: if we see a lot of people that don't really
Speaker 1: respect that. So so if the number one record is
Speaker 1: out and the opening DJ he can't play it, and
Speaker 1: you guys won't take it, well, I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: what the difference is is, especially these guys, what you
Speaker 1: do is the number one record, Like it's not the record,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like there's a level that
Speaker 1: I'm coming to see Crazy, I'm coming to see a track.
Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily coming to see what Crazy and a
Speaker 1: track are going to play. There the entity of themselves
Speaker 1: that it's kind of like when you get to that level,
Speaker 1: you almost a kind of like I don't given what
Speaker 1: you play instruments people, but I don't care what you play.
Speaker 1: But not just that. It's kind of like I've seen
Speaker 1: both of these guys play numerous of times. There's a
Speaker 1: man fucking records. I'm not gonna be mad because you
Speaker 1: played one of the records And I had that with
Speaker 1: somebody that they had a pre something mapped out set
Speaker 1: and I played a couple of records and it was
Speaker 1: like you freaked out, and I was just like fucking
Speaker 1: to play something like if you would play this, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna play something different. Like you looked at it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, it's not like I'm going
Speaker 1: on stage and I'm performing one of jay Z's records.
Speaker 1: Before jay Z. It's like because certain DJ's used to
Speaker 1: facts a list to venues. If you books such and
Speaker 1: such in your city, as like the promoter the or
Speaker 1: the club own or whatever, you would receive a list
Speaker 1: of records to give to your o opener to say,
Speaker 1: do not play the records from this list disrespected the
Speaker 1: opener did play it. But that's also because before Serato
Speaker 1: and all of that, as the DJ would travel to
Speaker 1: your city with whatever, three crates of records and that's
Speaker 1: all he had. So DJ before played a couple of
Speaker 1: those records, you're like, yo, this, I don't have other
Speaker 1: stuff to play. So that's changed with the digital age.
Speaker 1: I have a question for Jeff actually on that topic
Speaker 1: of like playing to the crowd and traveling and everything.
Speaker 1: Like I know one thing that I'm sure we've all
Speaker 1: noticed this, like in the in the last ten plus years,
Speaker 1: once you know, blogs and the Internet and everything really
Speaker 1: connected the whole world and it got to a point where,
Speaker 1: you know, youth culture in North America, Europe, Asia, Latin America,
Speaker 1: after Africa, everyone has been listening to the same records
Speaker 1: at the same time through the internet. Right. But I
Speaker 1: remember early even my early trips to certain parts of
Speaker 1: Asia where I would play, start playing the crowd and
Speaker 1: being like, oh shit, they I don't even know what
Speaker 1: records they know and like here, So like for you,
Speaker 1: Jeff ro was that like going to certain what if
Speaker 1: I I've always had a tunnel vision right, wrong and different.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like I am I am the state
Speaker 1: big potato and salad that you get in the restaurant.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you this ship and you're not. If
Speaker 1: you book state big Potato in salad, you're gonna get it.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of like, you know sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: there were times that it didn't. You know, for the
Speaker 1: most part, it's kind of like I believe that you know,
Speaker 1: if people are booking you for you that it's kind
Speaker 1: of like, you know, especially you really gotta stick to
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do me when I don't know what this is.
Speaker 1: When you are unsure, the one thing that you were
Speaker 1: sure of is yourself and it's kind of like I
Speaker 1: don't know what language they're speaking, but I'm gonna play,
Speaker 1: Biggie what you were saying that you guys felt about
Speaker 1: New York. You have this perception, and I'm sure when
Speaker 1: you go to these places in that area, they just
Speaker 1: had a perception. They just wanted Jeff. They're playing. But
Speaker 1: let me tell me, because you guys as DJs as
Speaker 1: this record, I don't know whose sings in. I don't
Speaker 1: know what they're saying. I like it, I just don't know, am,
Speaker 1: I don't point it goes Moe. Is that one of
Speaker 1: the highest records for a year. I don't know what.
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I don't know what who, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I can't under but there is that those
Speaker 1: words may be art and if I'm not mistaken, I
Speaker 1: think the title is after the dude that plays for
Speaker 1: the man, Orlando. That's his man, so he named it
Speaker 1: after his man. Who's the best, Well, who's a wokie? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then homies like Scheck and Obamba. I think they
Speaker 1: went to school again, that's how their homies or something.
Speaker 1: So and then Check named the record after Now you bet, Kanye,
Speaker 1: but what was your affiliation with Kanye and official tour
Speaker 1: DJ for years. I just did one year. Chris came
Speaker 1: in after Ilia when when I left when I started
Speaker 1: Fool's Gold, and I told, yeah, I'm not just gonna
Speaker 1: leave you high and driving to give you the best
Speaker 1: TJ in the world. Chris Man. Yeah, So now how
Speaker 1: is it? How is both of you guys been on
Speaker 1: tour card for our fans who probably won't know or
Speaker 1: ever get a chance to imagine that. Who's breathing that hard?
Speaker 1: You need guys, because now I'm just telling you have
Speaker 1: to pay way too much. I'm sorry. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I just did one year, so like was in and
Speaker 1: out and I couldn't DJ from anymore because I was
Speaker 1: just like I want to beat my yeah, And I
Speaker 1: feel like when when you came in something like the
Speaker 1: staging change. I was lucky because I came in right
Speaker 1: at the start, like when I when I got the
Speaker 1: job college dropout. It just came out and if you
Speaker 1: went to see a show, it was yeah, me and
Speaker 1: John Legend on stage and that was it. I would
Speaker 1: play the tracks, John would you know, play piano on top,
Speaker 1: sing and the show was us. And it was a
Speaker 1: really cool experience because we all kind of grew together,
Speaker 1: and then when he decided to bring in a string section,
Speaker 1: he would have me speak to the string section and
Speaker 1: kind of like help director. Yeah, Orgestra, Yeah, like I
Speaker 1: had to learn how to like talk to hardcast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the part where so the learning process was cool,
Speaker 1: and like we all come from a very you know,
Speaker 1: from like an underground hip hop place where, and I
Speaker 1: think all of us started with battles. Also, So our
Speaker 1: first couple of years we were we were performing to
Speaker 1: an audience that was like sort of in on the jump,
Speaker 1: like an audience that knows everything that we know. They
Speaker 1: know same codes. They had seen other DJs that were
Speaker 1: as technical as us. So we're sort of preaching to
Speaker 1: the choir. Fir, this is the big polo cane right
Speaker 1: right right, So, and I'm saying like even prior to that,
Speaker 1: I was I was performing to crowds that already knew
Speaker 1: what I was doing on stage because you know, turntableism,
Speaker 1: I've gotten pretty technical in advance, but the crowd knew
Speaker 1: that I was doing. What I enjoyed with the Kanye
Speaker 1: experience was I had to perform for crowds that had
Speaker 1: no idea what I was doing and I have to
Speaker 1: figure out to still make it work. So the growth
Speaker 1: with that was cool because I went from you know,
Speaker 1: working in a sort of closed circle, so then that
Speaker 1: box breaking open. You know, you definitely side with all
Speaker 1: the turn with will too when you're in front of
Speaker 1: a crowd that's like, you know, teenage girls that like
Speaker 1: that song from MTV and you and your your m
Speaker 1: C is like, all right, now show them why you're
Speaker 1: the greatest DJ in the world. You've got to convince
Speaker 1: an audience that doesn't even know what you're about to do,
Speaker 1: and that forces you to learn how to adapt your craft.
Speaker 1: So that growth was cool. You think DJs get the
Speaker 1: amount of props to the desserved No, no, no, I
Speaker 1: mean I think I think it's better now as Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, but but you know what, and and and
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't think bad of the the DJ
Speaker 1: explosion because I think we were in the dark for
Speaker 1: so long that I accepted the explosion that was just
Speaker 1: the counteract. Like, you know, I felt like the DJ
Speaker 1: was cast aside, especially in hip hop. Like I've really
Speaker 1: started to get angry because I'm kind of like every
Speaker 1: rock group in the world has a DJ and every
Speaker 1: hip hop artists and has a death machine, you know,
Speaker 1: and it was just kind of like wow, like this
Speaker 1: is this this all kind of went together. But what
Speaker 1: happened was you cast us deside, and we just kind
Speaker 1: of created a world on our own that's kind of like,
Speaker 1: well ship, if we are the ones that play the
Speaker 1: music for people to dance. Because I really thought that
Speaker 1: Vegas was going to be Bismarcki jay Z, Like I've
Speaker 1: thought like, okay, we got Sammy Davis Jr. All of
Speaker 1: us that I thought that the growth of Vegas was
Speaker 1: going to be the performers in hip hop, not the DJs.
Speaker 1: But it got to the point that it was kind
Speaker 1: of like, well ship, you got one good record, six
Speaker 1: bad records. He can play all good records. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get him to play it. I don't need to see
Speaker 1: you perform. I can have him play your record, you know.
Speaker 1: And a lot of that was because there was no togetherness.
Speaker 1: We we were pushed to the side. Whether we was
Speaker 1: kind of like yeo, let's start our own networking community,
Speaker 1: and and it just blew up on the side. And
Speaker 1: now everybody who raps wants to be a DJ, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody wants to be a d jack. Now I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna I thought I could DJ for a second. I
Speaker 1: didn't try, I didn't go publicly. And you know what's
Speaker 1: I do not get mad at anybody on earth who
Speaker 1: wants to try to be a DJ. I am not
Speaker 1: mad at You're not mad at J. Let me tell you.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you what it's. It's but what I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna do. I am not gonna not play high
Speaker 1: school ball, college ball. Send me pro and go and
Speaker 1: try it for the sixers. I think that's disrespectful. It's
Speaker 1: disrespectful for all of the people that put in all
Speaker 1: of the time. You can play ball, but there's a
Speaker 1: different level. So I'm kind of like, then you just
Speaker 1: need to be prepared to somebody throw you on the
Speaker 1: floor against the Knicks and you Anthony, and you gotta
Speaker 1: take that happen comes and starts walking off. Somebody who
Speaker 1: gets into it or wants to get into it, or
Speaker 1: cares about getting into it, you know, the more to
Speaker 1: marry it. But it's kind of like I've said on
Speaker 1: occasions that I'm never worried about another DJ more than
Speaker 1: I'm worried about myself. Like it's it's so because the
Speaker 1: person can control the playlist, don't mean controller party. Listen.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something I've always said, learning to
Speaker 1: be a great DJ is not about the good night.
Speaker 1: This is about how you do the bad. It's about
Speaker 1: how you listen. Because we all know that night that
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I'm it's kind of like yo. Like
Speaker 1: I've looked at my watch and I'm like, i gotta
Speaker 1: play two hours and i got an hour and fifty
Speaker 1: five minutes left. Let me tell you something I did.
Speaker 1: This guy in Canada voked me. He was the Soaker
Speaker 1: Prince of Canada. This motherfucker was like, I want you
Speaker 1: to play this POxy Listen. I don't know shit about
Speaker 1: something I'm not said, it don't matter. I want you
Speaker 1: to do you. I stuck to my guns and was
Speaker 1: like no, no, no, no, fucking When I tell you,
Speaker 1: I walked in and never realized that Soca was a
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety vo PPM and it was didn't didn't
Speaker 1: and it was three thousand. Motherfucker's name was Crazy And
Speaker 1: let me tell you, we got me nervous. Right before
Speaker 1: I went on. He walked over. He said, still for
Speaker 1: you to drop a couple of socer records said I
Speaker 1: told you because he was like, you know, if you
Speaker 1: if you want, and I came on and when I
Speaker 1: tell you, I will never in my life forget the
Speaker 1: girl in the front row because I didn't play the
Speaker 1: whole set. I played maybe like thirty minutes, but for
Speaker 1: twenty seven minutes she was like this. She would not
Speaker 1: stop shaking her hand, like Dave was so fu mad
Speaker 1: for me. And then you know, because you go through
Speaker 1: that ego like fuck it, y'all playing Canada, I'm a plow.
Speaker 1: You know. It's Caribbean people with attitudes and it's cold
Speaker 1: and Canada, and but you have everybody has the names
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yo, as a DJ, you learned how
Speaker 1: to get through those nights. Like you know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of like we all kind of know what we want
Speaker 1: to play, but we all have the ability to make
Speaker 1: a motherfucking detour and a heartbeat because you have to
Speaker 1: like listen, I'm not gonna fit that round pig in
Speaker 1: the square holes that's gonna fit. I'm grabbing another pig,
Speaker 1: you know. But you you know, and I'm like a
Speaker 1: lot of these new guys no one way, they don't
Speaker 1: trouble shoot and it's kind of like you can see,
Speaker 1: you can see like you know, we had plenty of
Speaker 1: times standing on stage like yo, he's he's going down
Speaker 1: in the flame. He's going down, Like I feel bad.
Speaker 1: You know that's how you figured out you have a
Speaker 1: you have a tape? Are you a world together? We
Speaker 1: had we had a We never had a bad show.
Speaker 1: But we did the Apollo that you didn't get. No, no,
Speaker 1: I tell you, we were on the edge. It would
Speaker 1: be sa come out. We didn't do that Apolo. We
Speaker 1: did Apollo Theater. But we did the Apollo Theater with
Speaker 1: Guy at the height of guide them and we were headlining,
Speaker 1: and it was kind of like, yo, who the fund
Speaker 1: made us headline with Guy in Now y'all fucking groove
Speaker 1: me and and and I think I which was already
Speaker 1: a little suspect, you know, and I'm a man. That
Speaker 1: ship was hot. But the bad thing is we did
Speaker 1: two shows. We did a matinee show, which we got
Speaker 1: through by the skin of our teeth, and then we
Speaker 1: had to do the nighttime show and both up all yes,
Speaker 1: same and the waiting for that second show hand sweating
Speaker 1: because we like yo, we we can't go him after
Speaker 1: God like you can't go on after Teddy Riley and
Speaker 1: hard Teddy could spit from his crew, do you know?
Speaker 1: And yeah, it was you know, I never want to
Speaker 1: think about them day. So you want to think so
Speaker 1: you would label at your work show not not not
Speaker 1: a bad show, but yo, like you're not so great?
Speaker 1: Yeah that was that was it. I mean, you know
Speaker 1: we we we should. What's your favorite show man? I
Speaker 1: can't because that's that, you know. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I wanted the standouts ones where you you just it
Speaker 1: was like, well, you know, what's crazy? After twenty years,
Speaker 1: Will and I did two shows last year. We did
Speaker 1: a show in Croatia and we did a show on
Speaker 1: Blackpool in the UK, um and it was just us
Speaker 1: and it was like thirty thou people um and and
Speaker 1: it was you know, it was it was. It was
Speaker 1: different because you don't know, you know, it's kind of
Speaker 1: like ship we're doing these shows. I don't know, like
Speaker 1: from that from I have no idea what my old
Speaker 1: Will's relevancy to the world is. You know, you hear it,
Speaker 1: but but I want the legend. But you I almost
Speaker 1: think everybody's lying to you, So you don't know, but
Speaker 1: I understand. I mean, listen, you know you don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, And and to me it's it's safer for
Speaker 1: me not knowing, because you know, I don't know where
Speaker 1: i'd be if if But it's just you know, so
Speaker 1: so going out and you know, somebody selling the show
Speaker 1: with tickets and all the rest of this. You just
Speaker 1: kind of like that is anybody gonna show up? How
Speaker 1: do you know? But to watch people show up and
Speaker 1: with albums and fresh princivallet of jerseys and jackets and
Speaker 1: you know, and it was just um, and it was
Speaker 1: crazy because during the show, Um, I had a monitor
Speaker 1: in Will's air. Then I had a microphone that I
Speaker 1: could talk to him doing the show, and I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: tell everybody to put up their phone and turn their
Speaker 1: flashlights on. And when he when he said it, I
Speaker 1: was so overwhelmed that I couldn't pick my phone up
Speaker 1: and take a picture of it. Like I frozzed because too,
Speaker 1: because it was on a pier and you know, in
Speaker 1: in England, and you couldn't see how far the crowd
Speaker 1: went back. So when everybody put their light on and
Speaker 1: you kind of saw how far thirty thousand people went back.
Speaker 1: I couldn't pick my phone up and take a picture
Speaker 1: because you were just kind of like like and listen,
Speaker 1: we ain't never got to do another show in life.
Speaker 1: I'm good, you know. Goddam Let's make some noise for
Speaker 1: that guy. Where was this a real crazy show? He
Speaker 1: just he just jumped in the Grand Canyon bungee jump
Speaker 1: the Grand can I was scared the depth the whole
Speaker 1: time on Instagram looking at that. Were you there? I
Speaker 1: wasn't going to that, But did you watch it? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I watched it. There's nobody nobody close to him like that,
Speaker 1: nobody like Charlie Curson on that you know, Charlie cursonal
Speaker 1: Live TV. Because he you know, he was uncomfortable. We
Speaker 1: all were uncomfortable because I might did that. No, is
Speaker 1: that comfortable? Is having too much money? You just want
Speaker 1: to do whatever you want, he said, I've just asked
Speaker 1: to be an interress. Will couldn't swim And I watched
Speaker 1: Will cliffdove in Jamaica. He paid a guy to be
Speaker 1: in the water at the bottom and he cliff over
Speaker 1: in Jamaica in the water and he couldn't swim. So
Speaker 1: understand his thing. Yeah, listen, his thing has always been
Speaker 1: if I'm afraid of it, I'm running to it. I
Speaker 1: ain't got that needed, I ain't got none of that
Speaker 1: big man. Listen. But that's always been his name. Listen.
Speaker 1: He was terrifying of that jumping what he jumped in
Speaker 1: the Grand Grand Can. There ain't no there ain't no
Speaker 1: black people. Ship. I'm starting out there. It ain't some
Speaker 1: black people. I'm wiping and ship. It's so I'm rich
Speaker 1: and I'm just it's I don't think it's a color
Speaker 1: at all. This has no color. I'm rich and I
Speaker 1: have I'm just gonna live my best life for real,
Speaker 1: for real like that, because that's getting high, like that's
Speaker 1: getting hot, like you know with these kids are these
Speaker 1: percosects and it's lean. That's not hot. Rush from that.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, but you could it could be the old
Speaker 1: One and the Grand Canyon. I'm good. Do you got
Speaker 1: you have a had a bad show? A god, I'm
Speaker 1: one of those DJs that sticks to his guns. And
Speaker 1: that's a bad. It's more of like I just wanted
Speaker 1: I want it to me. So you're in there playing
Speaker 1: chief keeping wonta bregage? Though one Danny set a hip
Speaker 1: hop playing I'm playing druming bass at a hip hop
Speaker 1: clup back when like that show was not et M
Speaker 1: and hip hop or not, I think, wow, early early
Speaker 1: two thousands. So yeah, I was just going to be like,
Speaker 1: this is what I like on my and you would
Speaker 1: stick with it and stick with it, and is it
Speaker 1: a sign that you're sucking up? Like he said, the
Speaker 1: girl was looking at the crowd starts apart. He started
Speaker 1: to seeing everybody to tell, but I would usually do
Speaker 1: it at the end of the night, though, so I
Speaker 1: make sure I give them what they wanted, you know,
Speaker 1: come seeing you do my thing and I'm playing, You're like,
Speaker 1: and then I bes like I teennis you know for
Speaker 1: me do my thing you Yeah, definitely, I think every
Speaker 1: DJ has had that show was one of your moments.
Speaker 1: To me. A bad shows also if you show up
Speaker 1: in some city and there's like no one there, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you show up and you're like, I some
Speaker 1: of my best shows with like people that these things.
Speaker 1: I'm but as DJ's, we gotta figure out a vibe,
Speaker 1: even though you know, sometimes that bad show could also
Speaker 1: be a full room, but you could like we gotta
Speaker 1: like read the crowd, right, so we're looking. I remember
Speaker 1: like one show where I was looking and be like,
Speaker 1: all right, this area wants like house music, in this
Speaker 1: area wants new hip hop, this area wants old hip hop.
Speaker 1: In this area wants like E. D M. Trap kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. And I gotta like figure out a flow
Speaker 1: that makes everyone happy. And sometimes you just can't. That's
Speaker 1: like you gotta crack a code. Sometimes you just don't
Speaker 1: crack the code. At night, You're like I try my best,
Speaker 1: Like yesterday lose at dawn dsces a bit um and
Speaker 1: that crowd was a little different, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to say. It's just all different types of people.
Speaker 1: You've got multiple industry people in the and how by
Speaker 1: the way, it was like a like a like an
Speaker 1: open bar kind of event, so that draws all kinds
Speaker 1: of people like free alcohol. Now think about it, how
Speaker 1: do you attack like that? Like? I mean that one
Speaker 1: to me was for me was also kind of casual
Speaker 1: because it was my friends product launch. I wasn't I
Speaker 1: wasn't even looking at it that much on something like
Speaker 1: ye know, I got to rock the crowd. I was
Speaker 1: just thinking, here's a bunch of like influencer types that
Speaker 1: came to support you. Know an event, let me just
Speaker 1: play some records that they probably didn't expect to hear,
Speaker 1: but that they that they still like. Because a lot
Speaker 1: of times, like I'll go into a party and think,
Speaker 1: I don't want to just make the crowd happy. I
Speaker 1: want to leave a lasting impression and for them to
Speaker 1: go home and tell their friends and be like, yo,
Speaker 1: a track played this record last night. I never expected
Speaker 1: to hear that, but it worked. Like, I want to
Speaker 1: surprise people. That's a big difference between djaying and being
Speaker 1: an m C. Whereas and m C. You're doing your songs,
Speaker 1: but we could play any of the bazillion songs. It's
Speaker 1: upt us to choose stuff that will work, but hopefully
Speaker 1: the surprises people. So the thing like that, Like last night,
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, like, all right, these this crowd probably
Speaker 1: has been hearing the same ten songs three times a
Speaker 1: night because whole week during Basil, I mean, and let
Speaker 1: me play a few different things to leave an impression.
Speaker 1: You guys prefer doing tables sets or playing full sets.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, as the person is not a DJ.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the funk you just said our instruments.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying these guys could do amazing things on
Speaker 1: the turntable and they could just do that and it
Speaker 1: would be like a show or do they want to
Speaker 1: play like? You know, just like But I think the
Speaker 1: ultimate goal is to find to figure out to set
Speaker 1: that merges all of that, and that's I looked up
Speaker 1: to Jeff from way early on on that tip when
Speaker 1: I would go see him spin, even back when I
Speaker 1: lived in Montreal, and I'd be like, Yo, this is
Speaker 1: so ill because he's rocking the crowd, but he's also
Speaker 1: doing tricks that would normally make the crowd sort of
Speaker 1: stop and watch. They're still going with it and like
Speaker 1: finding that balance that's like the holy grail for technical
Speaker 1: So so, so what's your what's your favorite part of
Speaker 1: the UM? You know what I think? I think UM
Speaker 1: and and and crazy and Atrack can attest to this
Speaker 1: as a DJ. There's a point when you know you
Speaker 1: got and I say, sometimes you got them. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: can have them as soon as you walk on you
Speaker 1: ain't gotta play ship. It's like, yeah, this is and
Speaker 1: then sometimes it's like, oh, you're gonna fight me a
Speaker 1: little bit minutes to get you. I think what I
Speaker 1: like is knowing that I know what's about to happen
Speaker 1: three records from now, and you don't, like, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: keep that stone, like, especially when you get to do
Speaker 1: that's in the front. You want to be in the front,
Speaker 1: but you want to have a stone face and I'm not, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm listen, you're gonna nod your head like I'm betting
Speaker 1: money that my goal is kind of like because you
Speaker 1: don't know, and I'm watching me. I'm watching this smile
Speaker 1: come on and go off. I'm watching ice cream. I'm
Speaker 1: washing your hands loosen up to the point that at
Speaker 1: the end of the night you can't take it and
Speaker 1: you just say, fucking I'm gonna go to the back.
Speaker 1: I got it, got to let go. But I think
Speaker 1: knowing that you know something that everybody else does it.
Speaker 1: But I know what this is gonna end, and I
Speaker 1: know where you're gonna be when this ends, But you
Speaker 1: don't know how do you deal with like, Like one
Speaker 1: of my worst shows I've had was a guy was
Speaker 1: in a performing the Guys in the Front. Best it
Speaker 1: was your dude that seven songs like Relax. How do
Speaker 1: you deal with drunk people who just come out of you?
Speaker 1: I don't just request, but I am. I am the
Speaker 1: master already. I listen, I've had this pounds in my
Speaker 1: face and I'm like this, but I want to see,
Speaker 1: you know, because you'll get the guy. It's kind of like, yo,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, somebody just want I gotta come
Speaker 1: up and shake my hand, and especially now like my
Speaker 1: man got the cell phone, so get me, get getting
Speaker 1: your getting jets, like I'm right in the middle of something,
Speaker 1: like tell me what part of this did you Like?
Speaker 1: I saw the video that kid could pre did and
Speaker 1: I would never do it, but I gave him so
Speaker 1: much problems that the girl kept asking him to play
Speaker 1: something and he stopped the music completely and was like, okay,
Speaker 1: since you want to funk up everybody's good time for
Speaker 1: what you want to hear. I want you to tell
Speaker 1: everybody what you want and listen. She started crying. She stopped.
Speaker 1: But it's kind of like, yo, like you kind of
Speaker 1: got you know, so it's you know, you just gotta
Speaker 1: know m that. I mean, I've seen that. I've seen
Speaker 1: that a couple of times, so you just know that's
Speaker 1: that's that's listen everybody, everybody, you know, I mean, which
Speaker 1: is a whole another issue. But it's kind of like
Speaker 1: you wake up to the ten songs, you go to
Speaker 1: work to the ten songs, You listen to ten songs
Speaker 1: and your lunch break, listen to him on the way home,
Speaker 1: and you go to the club and you fucking want
Speaker 1: to ask me to play the ten song, Like just
Speaker 1: get in the car and listen to the radio. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like you you you have like
Speaker 1: I believe that especially as these as you have to
Speaker 1: kind of you have to kind of stand your ground.
Speaker 1: Like there's a level of me that I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm standing on my ground to protect the culture because
Speaker 1: one of my biggest fears is is I was like,
Speaker 1: I never I never want to feel like you can
Speaker 1: walk into a club and the DJ booth being closed
Speaker 1: and somebody's playing a mix and you don't know m
Speaker 1: let it like, let me, I'll stopped for one second.
Speaker 1: I was watching something earlier. It was like Robots killed HBO. Right,
Speaker 1: it's basically, um, I'm I'm describing this very long, but
Speaker 1: it basically they're showing you how like in a couple
Speaker 1: of years, you might not even need to bar Like
Speaker 1: they're gonna have something. Yeah, that's just your gold it's
Speaker 1: gonna be all that. Do you think they canna ever
Speaker 1: do that with a DJ? No, they can't know because
Speaker 1: they got robots right now listen, Because you know, people
Speaker 1: talk about equipment that can put things in key and
Speaker 1: put things in mix. What you can never do is
Speaker 1: find an algorithm that I can look in your eyes
Speaker 1: and tell that you about you really want to fucking
Speaker 1: hear this mob deep record exactly like they when they
Speaker 1: developed that. Then I'll get a little nervous, But at
Speaker 1: the you know, at the end of the day, I
Speaker 1: also feel like one skin not trying to be conspiracy.
Speaker 1: There's I also feel like the reason why they're dumbing
Speaker 1: the music down is to make it to the that
Speaker 1: you can do something like that to make it serviceable. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, yo, like I appreciate, I'm mad, appreciate
Speaker 1: a track and craze because when you see them, they
Speaker 1: do something that no machine in this world could ever do.
Speaker 1: And I think you have to show that. I get
Speaker 1: mad at DJs with skills and get up there and
Speaker 1: just play records and never show announce of their skills.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, you were you were putting yourself in
Speaker 1: this category that they're going to enclose the DJ booth
Speaker 1: and play your fucking mixed team. You better make sure
Speaker 1: that there's not a machine on earth that can duplicate
Speaker 1: what you can do, like and that's saving the culture.
Speaker 1: Because it made me think of that because because actually
Speaker 1: I was I was watching it, I was getting a haircut,
Speaker 1: and I just looked at my ball you becoming late
Speaker 1: the probably change the channel, and it made me think
Speaker 1: of that just now. But that what you just said
Speaker 1: makes DJs are DJs are curators, and so even aside
Speaker 1: from the skill aspect, you know, to have a human
Speaker 1: being making choices, you know, you can't replace that because
Speaker 1: you think about it, like when Spotify first came out
Speaker 1: and it was like all the music in the world available,
Speaker 1: a lot of people will send up in caviar or
Speaker 1: something like that before that, because what I was getting
Speaker 1: at is they had to start doing playlists to recommend
Speaker 1: certain records two people. Because at first when you had
Speaker 1: that things originally made by DJs, or that the Spotify
Speaker 1: like playlists come from like the iPods era when iTunes.
Speaker 1: And the last thing is when all the music in
Speaker 1: the world is like you go to Spotify. Now you
Speaker 1: can go to a playlist. Yes, you go to title,
Speaker 1: go to the place's curated by certain individuals, But was
Speaker 1: that I'm literally like a DJ set. That's when the
Speaker 1: playlist is. Yeah, I think it's a way it's it's
Speaker 1: sort of it's it's it's a DJ similar to my DJ. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because part of DJing is not just the song as
Speaker 1: you play, is the energy that you bring. The crazy
Speaker 1: thing with certain DJs is you could be out hearing
Speaker 1: a DJ said someone played one record and you'll be like, man,
Speaker 1: this is dope. What is that? You find out what
Speaker 1: the record is, you go back home, listen to it,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't hit you the same way because certain
Speaker 1: DJ is the way they bring the record, in the
Speaker 1: way they read the orgy. Yeah, and just there's something
Speaker 1: about that energy control. It's like you know magicians, where
Speaker 1: the record by itself isn't the same thing. So playlist
Speaker 1: doesn't have the flow and the energy of a DJ set. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I just realized I'm surrounded by DJ M gonna
Speaker 1: do a crazy show for DJ but yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie. I'm loving the because as an artist, uh,
Speaker 1: I've never done a show without a DJ um and
Speaker 1: I know that that controls the thing, so it is
Speaker 1: in case anybody's ever you know, we know that you
Speaker 1: guys run the show. We know that you guys were
Speaker 1: in the world, and we appreciate that. You know, from
Speaker 1: every artist in the world to you know, every fucking
Speaker 1: fans and everybody who has a hair who listens to
Speaker 1: great music, we want to say thank you. You know
Speaker 1: that DJs were in the world, and also big up
Speaker 1: to DJ Enough and DJ Commiller was supposed to stop by,
Speaker 1: and that would have been dope to have all your
Speaker 1: DJ and thereuld have been not been enough records. So
Speaker 1: so let me just ask you something before we get
Speaker 1: about here, the transition from vinyl to fully digital. Is
Speaker 1: it a good thing? Because the one thing I will
Speaker 1: tell you was paying your dues is a DJ kind
Speaker 1: of felt like carrying rates? Where would it can we
Speaker 1: replace Carrie and creates for a book bag with your
Speaker 1: laptop rating it? Because I always felt like that was
Speaker 1: paying your dudes. Is a DJ like like like actually,
Speaker 1: you know, me being from New York City and me
Speaker 1: being like, you know, going to the tunnel, that would
Speaker 1: be my thing. I would try to get there earlier
Speaker 1: to see a DJ come out there with their crates
Speaker 1: and be like, you know, forgetting them where their gloves
Speaker 1: and be freezing. I'll be looking like that's a good
Speaker 1: ole DJ, right, you know what I'm saying. But now
Speaker 1: these guys they don't freeze at all, you know. But
Speaker 1: but um, what is what is the transition from you know,
Speaker 1: like seriously, from crates to is it a plus? Or
Speaker 1: is it? It? Is? It? It was a huge change,
Speaker 1: by the way, because like you know, it's almost people
Speaker 1: forget that before the digital was even an option. When
Speaker 1: you made a record and you want to to play it,
Speaker 1: you have to go get a dub plate press to
Speaker 1: get an act press, or if you uh, you know,
Speaker 1: if the airline lost your luggage, you couldn't play that
Speaker 1: night off. I don't miss any of the final stuff.
Speaker 1: It's funny because world stress TJ. So people come up
Speaker 1: to us and it's like, yeah, final. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's final, really breaking my back having airlines losten. I
Speaker 1: don't miss any of that. So if you lose your computer,
Speaker 1: just mean they're gonna lose your computer. It's you back.
Speaker 1: But you would check in multiple crates in the that
Speaker 1: was that's a nightmare. You don't hold your breath every
Speaker 1: time the luggage coming. Yeah, because it's kind of like
Speaker 1: there's one, there's another. I got to London one time
Speaker 1: and the tops of my crates came the tops of
Speaker 1: my boxes just because there was a bunch of DJs
Speaker 1: that worked in the airport. And then you, oh, London
Speaker 1: was gangster back in the day, coming and you're just
Speaker 1: would come and it would be the tops, and you'll
Speaker 1: be waiting for the bottoms because first of all, you
Speaker 1: don't if the bottoms, if the tops, and you know,
Speaker 1: on the records all over the players, and it would
Speaker 1: never come because someone would take that off, put a
Speaker 1: top on and there was somebody rocking in London. Wow,
Speaker 1: So the record we're saying, this is great, this is great.
Speaker 1: The whole the digital thing makes every song available to you.
Speaker 1: And I think that's really cool too, because that ended
Speaker 1: up helping break down some of the barriers between genres
Speaker 1: and everything. It just it helped music involved. In the
Speaker 1: last ten years, DJ's really played a big role in
Speaker 1: in steering the direction of music in general. A lot
Speaker 1: of artists started going to dj C being like, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's the next sound? And I think that digital transition
Speaker 1: helped in that because it brought everything together. And at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, even if it's kind of
Speaker 1: wild to think that every DJ that plays on every stage,
Speaker 1: every club has access to all the same records, but
Speaker 1: it's kind of cool because then it puts the force
Speaker 1: bag like it's it's each DJ's own taste and style.
Speaker 1: They'll make a difference whether they're good or not. Like
Speaker 1: that we all have access to the same records, we
Speaker 1: have the same I was like, you know, we have
Speaker 1: a backyard. I did, but I have a party. You
Speaker 1: guys all have the same records, but it would be
Speaker 1: all three different energies, completely completely different. Yeah, that that's awesome.
Speaker 1: That's do you guys get mad? Like when you hear
Speaker 1: artists that sounded the same. They're DJs that do the
Speaker 1: same thing as another DJ. Oh yeah, absolutely damn you
Speaker 1: got you got designers and like those you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, but got that. But you know what again?
Speaker 1: Once again, man, thank you for hanging out. Jazzy jeff Man,
Speaker 1: I wanted to self to I was talking about the
Speaker 1: whole transition in and the fresh princhion belt an um.
Speaker 1: I have to salute you for the transition into a
Speaker 1: different arena. I think that it is very important to
Speaker 1: kind of show the hip hop generation, and especially because
Speaker 1: you know, we still we have some legendary stubborn brothers
Speaker 1: doing the one thing that there are a lot of
Speaker 1: people that are talented and more than just what anybody know,
Speaker 1: knowing for what, and you're never too old to take
Speaker 1: that jump into something else. So trust me. Like for
Speaker 1: me to be sitting on here talking to you in
Speaker 1: a completely different light than when I know you from
Speaker 1: the game, it's that that's the I can't believe that
Speaker 1: all the time. Is that's who I took it from.
Speaker 1: It's like seeing your brothers take those opportunities to take
Speaker 1: those chances, like you the ol owls to create my teeth.
Speaker 1: But it was just like you know um, and I
Speaker 1: was like, yo, you know what, if I can do
Speaker 1: it on my way, then then then why not you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like why not? Like I love
Speaker 1: to I love to talk hip hop. I think a
Speaker 1: hip hop we this should be our first take we
Speaker 1: should have. I believe I get out of here, but
Speaker 1: I believe that you shouldn't go to no other place
Speaker 1: for anything in life, Meaning if you want to go
Speaker 1: to a yelp. I'm making the hip hop you up
Speaker 1: right now right, So I'm making the ship that nor
Speaker 1: Re recommends where I want the fun you eat. And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you look, if you want to get shot,
Speaker 1: this is where they go. They got the best friend
Speaker 1: chicken though in the world, it might be worth it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. If you want to go,
Speaker 1: you wanna get some fried oreoles over, yeah, I got
Speaker 1: like I'm not giving people like And if you want
Speaker 1: to go to the news, I believe that you go
Speaker 1: to the news. I believe Jim Jones should be the
Speaker 1: weather forecaster. I believe, you know, I believe it's Jim Jones.
Speaker 1: See what I'm saying. I believe if you want to
Speaker 1: go sneakers shopping, I believe it's Fat Joe should be
Speaker 1: guiding you through your sneakers and saying, listen, this is
Speaker 1: like I believe you should get every bit of information
Speaker 1: that we have in hip hop through hip hop. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Through hip hop, I don't believe.
Speaker 1: I believe everything should come from us. And because I
Speaker 1: don't believe hip hop is even a color, I believe
Speaker 1: hip pop is as his own race. We all race.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, like you, what are you?
Speaker 1: I'm hip hop kid, but staff exactly what it because
Speaker 1: it's our bonn our bonn like, like it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: what color a person is easy hip hop. If you
Speaker 1: hip hop to me, I funk with you, like I
Speaker 1: don't give a funk where your background coming from. And
Speaker 1: that's it's hip hop is a language, is it's it's uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's two things at the universal it's food and
Speaker 1: motherfucking music. Like no matter where you go. I remember
Speaker 1: I was at some airport and these people are just
Speaker 1: playing music and you're just seeing people just walking by.
Speaker 1: Everybody had a little box to them. I'm saying, this
Speaker 1: ship everybody, even the ones off beat ship. This guy's okay,
Speaker 1: he's anybody love music, so anybody doesn't. It looks like food.
Speaker 1: And I think we gotta keep spreading this. But I
Speaker 1: think we gotta keep spreading love. We gotta keep continue
Speaker 1: to you know, to I love that these two you
Speaker 1: know dj these hot DJs, they came and they paid
Speaker 1: comments immediately, and that's beautiful. But we need more of that.
Speaker 1: We need more of people of our legends continue to
Speaker 1: feel like legends and continue to be out there and
Speaker 1: making money, continue to be out there and making our
Speaker 1: culture look good. Because if we ain't gonna bag each
Speaker 1: other up, ain't nobody gonna big us up. Bro. And
Speaker 1: guess what, we need a little bit of big enough.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you need that pattern of your shoulder. I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna lie to you. That's why, you know, that's why
Speaker 1: marathon runners to be having them people on the side
Speaker 1: like yo, mother, you can get me going right, Yeah
Speaker 1: that's twenty six. I can't. I can't thank you man.
Speaker 1: Thank you think it if you'll get drops, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you? Yes, yes, you know. I like to picture