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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay, Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome everybody. Monday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off

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Speaker 2: right now. We've got a lot of stories to get through,

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Speaker 2: a lot to talk about all across this great land

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Speaker 2: of ours. Attorney General Merrick Garland was on TV over

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Speaker 2: the weekend insisting that dej officials do not allow partisan

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Speaker 2: considerations to play any role in their determination.

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Speaker 1: Sure, we'll discuss that.

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Speaker 2: You have Donald Trump appearing in his fraud trial in

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Speaker 2: New York City. We'll have some updates on that one

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Speaker 2: for you. They are coming at Trump not only in

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Speaker 2: four different criminal indictments, but also civil civil assault using

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Speaker 2: the legal system against Donald Trump. Clay and I haven't

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Speaker 2: gotten to talk together yet here on air about the

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Speaker 2: possibility of an RFK Junior. Well, we've talked about the possibility,

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Speaker 2: but RFK Junior has brought up that this may actually happen.

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Speaker 2: Something to discuss the likely new senator from the state

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Speaker 2: of California.

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Speaker 1: Certainly a topic we should be discussing.

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Speaker 2: You've got a couple scientists get the Nobel Prize in

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Speaker 2: Medicine for the discoveries that enabled the mRNA vaccines development

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Speaker 2: to fight against COVID feels like it feels like maybe

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Speaker 2: a little bit of politics in this, because it's not

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Speaker 2: like they just figured it out recently.

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Speaker 1: So we'll have that conversation here as well.

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Speaker 2: But of all the things that I saw, and I

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Speaker 2: moved on Friday, so I was really I was out

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Speaker 2: of the news cycle. I was clay stacking boxes and

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Speaker 2: carrying them and complaining about my lower back and doing

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Speaker 2: the things that one does during a move. The government

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Speaker 2: getting funded not a surprise, and I know that there

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Speaker 2: are people we can talk about it. The back and

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Speaker 2: forth with Speaker Kevin McCarthy and did he sell out?

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Speaker 2: And is he the McCarthy that people thought he was

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Speaker 2: until about what was it the beginning of this year

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Speaker 2: or no, yes, the beginning of this year when he

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Speaker 2: was all of a sudden based hardcore you could count

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Speaker 2: on him, Speaker McCarthy. Seems like maybe some people have

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a different opinion right now. But

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Speaker 2: the most interesting thing that I saw, the moment when

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Speaker 2: I was thinking, Wow, this is what it's fun to

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Speaker 2: be on radio Clay, this is when you have something

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Speaker 2: to discuss, is the pulling of a fire alarm by

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Speaker 2: Congressman Jamal Bowman, and the efforts to try to explain

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Speaker 2: this away over the course of the weekend. The decision

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Speaker 2: that they were going to back this up Clay was

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Speaker 2: absolutely crazy.

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Speaker 1: Wait here we go. Here is this NBC.

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Speaker 2: So just so we're all clear, that they're trying to

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Speaker 2: have a vote to fund the government and a Democrat

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Speaker 2: member of Congress decides to pull the fire alarm in

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Speaker 2: Congress so they can't hold the vote. Right, that's the

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Speaker 2: that's on video. These are the facts of the case.

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Speaker 2: They are not in dispute. Everyone agrees.

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Speaker 1: Here is MSNBC trying to explain this one.

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Speaker 3: Play four there was a mention of Jamal Bowman. Congressman

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Speaker 3: Jamal Bowman and the pulling of some sort of fire alarm.

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Speaker 3: are some reports that began to emerge about Representative Bowman

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Speaker 3: who is seen pulling some sort of fire alarm in

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Speaker 3: statement on that saying Congressman Bowman did not realize he

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Speaker 3: make an urgent vote. The congressman regrets any confusion. Just

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Speaker 2: On that, I mean, just just to clarify, Clay, how

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Speaker 1: Because I know the answer for me is zero zero.

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Speaker 4: And I think this is one so fun because it's

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Speaker 4: as this story continued to grow, and I bet you

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Speaker 4: I don't think the emergency alarm is actually going to

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Speaker 4: But to make the decision if he had done that,

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Speaker 4: I don't know. It feels like seventy five percent of

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Speaker 1: But to make the decision to pull the alarm on

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Speaker 4: There is unless there is a fire and you are

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Speaker 4: trying to create a fire alarm. I can't imagine anybody

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Speaker 4: no defense in that position. It is going to go off, right,

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Speaker 4: And so I just I don't know what the consequences

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Speaker 4: punished to the full extent of the law. Based on

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Speaker 4: that precedent, there should be criminal charges brought. But at

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Speaker 4: a minute, he should own what he did, which was

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Speaker 4: to try to pass a variety of different bills. I mean,

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Speaker 4: what's your take. Should he be prosecuted criminally? In your mind,

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Speaker 4: it is such a stupid thing to do, right, But

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Speaker 4: the precedent they've set is full extent of the law

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Speaker 4: prosecution for stupid things that truly weren't threats. I mean,

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Speaker 4: if you're putting Grandma's in jail for walking around with

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Speaker 4: selfie sticks in the Capitol, then a congress person pulling

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Speaker 4: a fire alarm intentionally seems like it should be criminal.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's definitely a crime.

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Speaker 2: The question is will they prosecute and what would the

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Speaker 2: punishment be. Look, this happened when I was in college.

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Speaker 2: People would do this. They would get drunk and perhaps

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Speaker 2: This This was a We had a plague of this

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Speaker 2: People would pull the fire alarm because the fire trucks

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Speaker 4: By the way, and also the result of this is

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Speaker 4: when you have all these false fire alarms go off,

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Speaker 4: eventually you just don't react to a fire alarm, and

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Speaker 4: then there could be a fire and somebody could end

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: The answer though, is I think in the case I

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Speaker 2: something like that. You know, we've got to be we've

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Speaker 2: got to be clear when you talk about obstructing you know,

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Speaker 1: They're going to make a defense.

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Speaker 2: First of all, they're gonna just say that I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Can they make that argument? Is that

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Speaker 1: pull a frigging fire alarm, firecar right? Yea on the

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Speaker 4: If he had gone through a door and that can

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Speaker 4: to go off, Like we've used that door for a

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Speaker 4: long time and it's never gone off before. Like I

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Speaker 4: could understand his defense. There is no way to me

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Speaker 4: and I would say the same thing. I've got a

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Speaker 4: If there was video of my fifteen year old pulling

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Speaker 4: punishment for this, Like, there's no way to defend pulling

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Speaker 1: That I mean.

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Speaker 4: It's like if you break the glass to get a

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Speaker 4: there's no fire, like, you should be punished for that, right,

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Speaker 4: There's no defense for anyone over the age of about

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Speaker 4: If he just owned it, I would feel a little

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Speaker 4: bit different maybe, but I think he should be prosecuted.

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Speaker 4: And I hate to say that because I'm not a

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Speaker 4: for relatively minor offenses. But when you're putting Grandma's with

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Speaker 2: At this point, you know, now I feel like I'm

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Speaker 2: they'll argue that there's a difference in the severity between

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Speaker 2: that instance. And this, although this is government funding, it's

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Speaker 2: a big key question book has this ever happened before?

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Speaker 2: Because I don't remember a congress person ever intentionally pulling

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Speaker 2: if this is like some sort of you know, usual

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Speaker 1: I think that here's here's one thing.

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Speaker 2: You know, if someone called in, let's say, a bomb

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Speaker 2: into this category like, oh, yeah, they find you, you're

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Speaker 2: going to go to prison, right, you're gonna say you're

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Speaker 1: And you should. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You see in this case pulling a fire alarm, he's

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Speaker 2: That's what I was like, They're not going to Oh

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Speaker 2: I don't think you should go. I'm saying you should

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Speaker 2: prosecute him. I don't think you should. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: don't think anybody would convict him. But if you're going

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Speaker 2: to see be a president of we prosecute grandma's with selfies. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he might pay a five hundred dollars fine eventually. But

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Speaker 2: what I mean if you do this, I mean, let's

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Speaker 2: just take it to take it outside of Congress. If

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Speaker 2: there would be pretty consequential punishment I think to the

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Speaker 2: average kid if they found you on camera.

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Speaker 1: Don't know what it would be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they'd probably suspend you for a week or two.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Clay, this is this is the issue for

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Speaker 2: every who's saying the law is the law. I can

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Speaker 2: tell you that they'll say other people who have pulled

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Speaker 2: fire alarms and other instances have ended up paying a fine.

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Speaker 2: So should he be should he be forced to do that? Yes,

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Speaker 2: because if the law is the law, then that's what

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Speaker 2: No one's gonna get locked up for this is my point,

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Speaker 4: Do you think that Meghan Markel or her representatives reached

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Speaker 2: So, was this a story floated out? Because now people

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Speaker 2: Now they think they're capable of doing absolutely anything. And

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Speaker 2: Megan Marko will be a better centator than Diane Feinstein,

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Speaker 4: I mean, she had a buck. She wasn't able she

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Speaker 4: a power of attorney. She wasn't able to bind herself

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Speaker 4: legally to any document someone else had to sign for her.

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Speaker 4: She was able to still bind the whole state of

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Speaker 4: California for purposes of voting.

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Speaker 1: In the Senate.

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Speaker 4: You shouldn't be able to have no power of attorney

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Speaker 4: in your private life and still be serving in your

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Speaker 4: public life. I mean, she had she voted the day

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Speaker 4: before she died, Buck, she had no idea what she

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Speaker 4: was voting on. Yeah, well this is but this is

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Speaker 4: where you start to get to all these conversations, all

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Speaker 4: these discussions that occur about whether somebody has the leadership

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Speaker 4: capabilities or the cognitive ability or whatever for this role.

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Speaker 1: This is now just all.

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Speaker 2: About the the edifice of democrat power. And if you

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Speaker 2: are a reliable vote in that whole process, you could

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Speaker 2: make a very clear argument it doesn't matter. I mean,

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Speaker 2: these this isn't this isn't Cicero in the you know,

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Speaker 2: in the Roman Forum or whatever, trying to make or

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Speaker 2: in front of the Roman Senate, trying to make some

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Speaker 2: kind of persuasive argument I mean, see John Fetterman for example.

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Speaker 2: What you have is a system that is increasingly self perpetuating,

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Speaker 2: regardless of who the specific leaders may be. You know,

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Speaker 2: it operates like a massive machine, and that of a

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Speaker 2: bunch of individuals who have leadership capabilities. You know, this

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Speaker 2: this individual who has been named as the likely appointee here,

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Speaker 2: Lafonsa Butler. She's going to be the third black woman

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Speaker 2: who ever serve in the Senate, and she'll be the

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Speaker 2: third openly LGBTQ plus person to serve.

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Speaker 1: In the Chamber.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I wonder, Clay, I sit here and

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Speaker 2: I say, is this where we are now? Where just

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Speaker 2: that alone, being able to add to those lists or

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Speaker 2: being able to be counted in those categorizations is considered

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Speaker 2: more important than anything that will be done in.

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Speaker 1: The role by this Ysgule.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's say about what our leadership

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Speaker 2: class is really all about.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean it points out to California in a

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Speaker 4: scary way as the presumptive leader right now in the

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Speaker 4: identity politics caravan, and a part of me buck feels

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Speaker 4: like the only way identity politics gets blown up. And

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Speaker 4: I hate to even have to contemplate that this is real,

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Speaker 4: but that Kamala Harris ends up president of the United States.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know you say, I've heard this theory

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Speaker 2: with you, right, and I hear it through you know,

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Speaker 2: I hear you in Clay. How bad could it possibly

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Speaker 2: be that they would think that it's bad enough that

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Speaker 2: it would overcome the benefits that they see from the diversity.

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Speaker 1: Cod you know it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, she's probably she's probably better at the job

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Speaker 2: than Joe Biden is right now.

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Speaker 4: But I do think she would be so bad buck

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Speaker 4: that if she were the nominee, she would get squashed.

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Speaker 4: I really do believe, and I understand you can make

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Speaker 4: the argument the nominee doesn't even matter, which is that

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Speaker 4: that's the real scary logical.

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Speaker 2: But she's just one person, right, So if she's just

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Speaker 2: one person, they're not. I mean, why would that bring

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Speaker 2: down the whole diversity and inclusion edifice. If she's bad

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Speaker 2: at her job, they'd say, all right, well, Kama failed,

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Speaker 2: But the next diversity inclusion candidate's going to be fantastic.

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Speaker 4: I think you're starting to see all over America people

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Speaker 4: get elevated beyond their ability, and there are lots of

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Speaker 4: jobs where it like I would say, I hate to

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Speaker 4: say this. I think any any sort of mediocrity could

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Speaker 4: do the job of United States senator, and they don't.

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Speaker 4: You have to be so bad at the job of

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Speaker 4: a senator to really be noticed. I mean, Fetterman can't speak,

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Speaker 4: and so we kind of notice that he's really bad

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Speaker 4: at that job. There are a lot of United States

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Speaker 4: Senators that aren't very smart, by the way of both parties,

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Speaker 4: that aren't very skilled, that aren't very politically astute, and

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Speaker 4: in the group of one hundred, you kind of get

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Speaker 4: lost when you're the decider in chief. The scary thing

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Speaker 4: about the logical extension of your argument, Buck, is that

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Speaker 4: it doesn't even matter who president is. Yeah, because that's

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Speaker 4: really Joe Biden's like that. That's the scary thing about Biden.

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Speaker 4: This is the argument that I'm making, though I get

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Speaker 4: I hear you. You know, you come from a private

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Speaker 4: sector and entrepreneurship background, where the results are really all

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Speaker 4: that matters. Yeah, And you know I saw this in

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Speaker 4: the CIA. From a government perspective, it's always the machinery

522
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Speaker 4: and everyone's super replaceable, and people want the minimum amount

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Speaker 4: of accountability and responsibility and the maximum benefit of being

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Speaker 4: in the role all the time. That's the way the

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Speaker 4: whole system operates, right, So that's scary to me, Like,

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Speaker 4: this is why I couldn't do government jobs, right, Like,

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Speaker 4: I mean, mine is the background is entrepreneurship and also

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Speaker 4: buck sports, where if you suck at your job in sports,

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Speaker 4: everybody sees it and you get replaced. And if you suck,

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Speaker 4: typically as a CEO of a for profit corporation, you

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Speaker 4: typically are gonna get replaced because your failure is noticeable

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Speaker 4: in terms of the results. The scary thing about your

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Speaker 4: argument is most government jobs, your performance is almost unnoticeable

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Speaker 4: and you're just a cog that they plug in. Joe

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Speaker 4: Biden's a perfect example of that. Like what does he

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Speaker 4: actually do on a day to day basis? I don't

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Speaker 4: even know.

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Speaker 1: This is my argument, top to bottom.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't really matter anymore because of the way the

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Speaker 2: system functions. And that's why, right, yeah, And that's why

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Speaker 2: when someone comes along who is a system disruptor, and

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Speaker 2: for a lot of people, that's why Trump is so appealing.

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Speaker 2: It is such a threat to this system. I mean,

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Speaker 2: whether you're talking about the FBI, the CIA, the CDC,

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Speaker 2: those entities are slothful bloated and highly bureaucratic until the

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Speaker 2: system itself feels challenged. Yeah, and then they they move

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Speaker 2: with a ferocity and a focus that would blow people's minds.

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Speaker 2: Then all of a sudden, you know, that's that's when

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Speaker 2: you when you're a whistleblower in the FBI, you find

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Speaker 2: out real fast how effective the FBI can be when

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Speaker 2: they want to and what kind of intimidation or you know, CDC,

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Speaker 2: CIA and any of these places. So, I mean with Kamala,

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Speaker 2: you say that she would do it a terrible job.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, of course, you and I and the

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Speaker 2: p people listening. She's she's not a person of high

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Speaker 2: levels of competence. The weakness with Kamala and this is

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Speaker 2: another part of the argument too, it's not that she

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Speaker 2: couldn't be president. I don't think any Democrats think that.

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Speaker 1: Because Joe Biden's play.

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Speaker 2: Look at some John Kerry buffoon. That guy was almost

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Speaker 2: president Al Gore, total clown, almost president. I mean, you

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Speaker 2: go back, you look at these people. They're not impressive,

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Speaker 2: they're not smart, they'd no leadership capabilities. You know, they

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Speaker 2: got a famous last name, or are they married a

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Speaker 2: really rich lady or you know, right, place, right time.

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Speaker 2: The problem with Kammal is she's not a good politician

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Speaker 2: in the campaign. She can't win. Ye right, that's where

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Speaker 2: that's what they're worried about doing the job. The advisors

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Speaker 4: Today, Trump speaking to reporters outside of the civil fraud

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Speaker 4: trial in New York City. We'll play you that cut

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Speaker 4: here in a moment, but Buck, something for you to

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Speaker 4: think about. We're just talking about it off air, and

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Speaker 4: all of you out there too as well. The entire

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Speaker 4: purpose of this civil fraud trial seems to be to

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Speaker 4: attack Trump and argue that he's not as rich as

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Speaker 4: he claims to be, but he's still really rich. And

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Speaker 4: is there anybody out there who cares whether Trump I

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Speaker 4: think is a billionaire just based off the real estate

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Speaker 4: assets that he owns, whether it's mar A Lago, whether

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Speaker 4: it's the golf courses. You know, we went out to Bedminster, Buck,

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Speaker 4: I have no idea what the value of Bedminster is,

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Speaker 4: but it's a lot, certainly the value of his penthouse

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Speaker 4: in Trump Tower, all the different real estate holdings. I

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Speaker 4: don't know what Trump's net worth is. A lot of

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Speaker 4: that would be determined by what a buyer would pay

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Speaker 4: for a physical asset at any point in time. But

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Speaker 4: I feel like he's got to be a billionaire. I mean, heck,

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Speaker 4: the airplane that he flies in by itself, the Trump Force,

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Speaker 4: one big jumbo jet is probably I mean, some of

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Speaker 4: you out there are more knowledgeable on private aviation than

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Speaker 4: I am, but that's got to be I mean, a

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Speaker 4: fifty million dollar airplane forty or fifty million dollar airplane

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Speaker 4: at a minimum, I would think, And if you can,

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Speaker 4: you know, send me a message or something, if you're

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Speaker 4: an expert in aircraft, and let me know what you

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Speaker 4: think that's worth. But my point on all this is

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Speaker 4: this attack seems to me buck very strange because there's

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Speaker 4: a lot of things you can come after Trump on,

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Speaker 4: whether he's really rich or not. Does it feel like

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Speaker 4: an angle that you can attack him on? And they

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Speaker 4: tried this with like the tax returns and everything else.

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Speaker 4: Will you and I were talking off air. I don't

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Speaker 4: know how many billionaires there are on the planet. There's

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Speaker 4: only a few thousand of them. Trump is one of

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Speaker 4: the wealthiest people on the planet, I think. I mean,

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Speaker 4: whether he's the four thousand wealthiest person or whether he's

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Speaker 4: the six hundred and thirty fourth, does that really anybody's

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Speaker 4: opinions of Trump in any way.

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Speaker 2: No, but that's I don't think that's the purpose of

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Speaker 2: the civil fraud trials. I think what they're doing here

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Speaker 2: it's it's really a multi pronged strategy. First of all,

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Speaker 2: the legal strategies we know is clearly a multi pronged effort.

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Speaker 2: It's civil and criminal. They're they're coinciding, They're timing these

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Speaker 2: things so that Trump is going to have maximum uh

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Speaker 2: you know, maximum legal headache at at at the time

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Speaker 2: of the election or you know, in the election year.

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Speaker 2: Part of this is clay to drain time, resources, and energy,

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Speaker 2: I think, which is a guarantee the processes the punishment.

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Speaker 2: So by dragging him into these cases, I mean his

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Speaker 2: legal bills. Yes, he's a very wealthy guy, but his

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Speaker 2: legal bills for all these different cases have got to

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Speaker 2: be absolutely enormous. Yes, And so that's now you could say, well,

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Speaker 2: that's not going to make much difference. Well, he's going

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Speaker 2: to election and he's got to raise money. He's going

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Speaker 2: to be running a campaign that's going to cost They're

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Speaker 2: gonna raise a billion dollars I'm sure running for president.

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Speaker 2: So that's an aspect of it. And then also it

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Speaker 2: just goes to I don't think this is about trying

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Speaker 2: to convince anyone who's a Republican that Trump isn't that

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Speaker 2: rich or what. To your point, they don't care. It's

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Speaker 2: just to try to try to hit him with the

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Speaker 2: label of he's a fraud. He lost a fraud case

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Speaker 2: in court, he's a fraud. According to our court system,

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Speaker 2: he's a fraud. Oh and by the way, he's a criminal.

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Speaker 2: It's just more of the the information and operations, you know,

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Speaker 2: information warfare campaign against Trump as a brand. So that

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Speaker 2: to me is you know, that's how they're seeing it.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they view it as well, he's not rich,

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Speaker 2: so people aren't going to want to vote for him anymore.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think they're I want to say, not that rich. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So, by the way, according to our staff, there were

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Speaker 4: three ninety four billionaires in twenty twenty two. Seven hundred

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Speaker 4: and fifty six of those people are in the United

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Speaker 4: States according to that data, So Trump is one of

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Speaker 4: the richest people in the world. I actually this ties in.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, here's Trump. Let's go ahead and

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Speaker 4: play this. This is Trump explaining why he's in New

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Speaker 4: York City for this fraud trial today.

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Speaker 1: Listen, mister Trump, you want to be.

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Speaker 3: Here in person today because I want to.

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Speaker 1: Watch this witch hunt. Oh, a witch hunt of years.

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Speaker 1: This is really now getting hearned.

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Speaker 5: Between Jack Smith and between all of these dear j

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Speaker 5: people helping them along. This is a fewer witch hunt

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Speaker 5: for purposes of interference with the elections of the United

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Speaker 5: States of America.

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Speaker 1: It's totally illegal.

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Speaker 5: This judge should be this party shouldn't be allowed to.

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Speaker 1: Be a judge.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 4: So the one thing I think is interesting here, Buck,

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Speaker 4: is I think we are setting ourselves up in the

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Speaker 4: event that these cases actually go to trial, and the

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Speaker 4: first one is scheduled to start in March. In terms

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Speaker 4: of the criminal cases in DC, I think Trump may

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Speaker 4: do press conferences every day while the trial's going on.

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Speaker 4: And this is important because Jack Smith is trying to

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Speaker 4: gag him. Right now, we're going to see a criminal

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Speaker 4: trial that is truly not leave aside the fact that

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Speaker 4: Trump is the currently former president running for presidential office. Again,

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Speaker 4: I can't even remember a time, Buck, when a criminal

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Speaker 4: defendant would do press I mean, I'm laughing about it,

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Speaker 4: because so crazy where a criminal defendant would potentially do

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Speaker 4: daily press conferences.

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about his lawyers.

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Speaker 4: I'm talking about the defendant himself potentially on the steps

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Speaker 4: of the courthouse as basically his campaign strategy. Because I

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Speaker 4: think that's a little bit of a preview of what

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Speaker 4: you just saw. That is the campaign. I mean, this

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Speaker 4: is the million dollar question, or maybe the trillion dollar question,

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Speaker 4: given the stakes these days, is will these appearances going

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Speaker 4: forward in twenty twenty four, because there's going to be

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Speaker 4: more of them, whether it's just to get trials moved

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Speaker 4: or motions or.

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Speaker 2: Whatever, will be Uh? Will the visual of Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: showing up and saying this is all rigged? I mean

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Speaker 2: usually the lawyer is the one that does this too,

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Speaker 2: which I think is so interesting. The space for himself there.

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Speaker 2: Usually you'd be have you'd have a lawyer, especially in

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Speaker 2: a criminal case, you'd have a lawyer do all the talking.

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Speaker 1: I think that you're going.

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Speaker 2: To see this is something that that the Democrats believe

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Speaker 2: is very effective for Trump in the primary. The gamble

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Speaker 2: that they are taking is that it will be toxic

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Speaker 2: in swing states to independent voters, and that's now that's what.

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Speaker 4: They What do you think, Yeah, I get it, and

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm it's I mean, it's interesting because we

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Speaker 4: had the Egen Carol case, right, and they were like,

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Speaker 4: we're going to brand Trump as a rapist and they

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Speaker 4: got a conviction. The oh's five million dollars whatever it

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Speaker 4: was sexual assault. We can argue about these act derivations

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Speaker 4: of that and how it was applied. Nobody seemed to care.

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Speaker 4: Like the e g and Carroll thing happened, and I

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Speaker 4: think she sued him again, he went and denied it,

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Speaker 4: and it's all occurred and there there may be another

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Speaker 4: defamation trial, whatever it's going to be. It legitimately had

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Speaker 4: zero impact. And so the question that I'm trying to

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Speaker 4: wrap her in my head and I'm curious what you

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Speaker 4: would say right now, a part of me feels like

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Speaker 4: none of this is going to have any impact because

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Speaker 4: every voter has already weighed in.

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Speaker 1: Now, maybe I'm true.

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Speaker 2: I think that's true of ninety eight percent of the

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Speaker 2: electorate and the last two percent is what they think

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Speaker 2: will end up determining the election. Right, So it doesn't

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Speaker 2: it doesn't feel like it does anything in the in

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Speaker 2: the immediate sense. It's not convincing people in a way

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Speaker 2: that you could see and that they're gonna make the

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Speaker 2: polls move. But at the end of the day, there

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Speaker 2: is going to be a decision made by a few

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Speaker 2: hundred thousand people probably in the six states, the five states. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that really matter. And will a Republican presidential contender, you know,

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Speaker 2: will they view this as it's all a witch hunt,

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Speaker 2: or will they view it as he brought this on

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Speaker 2: himself or I just don't want to deal with this

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Speaker 2: headache anymore. You know, the noise and nobody can really

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Speaker 2: tell you how that shakes out. That's the big part

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Speaker 2: of this that is left out sitting. No one really knows.

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Speaker 2: So Democrats, hey.

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Speaker 1: They've thrown I mean, it'd be one thing that won.

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Speaker 2: They got four criminal I mean I know there's but

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Speaker 2: four criminal prosecutions.

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Speaker 1: Of him outstanding right now. Four.

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Speaker 2: The guy's never faced a criminal prosecution in it's almost

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Speaker 2: eighty years of life, and now he faces four.

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Speaker 1: So they just decided kitchen sink is the way.

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Speaker 4: I think this is so crazy, too, Buck, because we're

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Speaker 4: coming up when now we're in October, it's you know,

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Speaker 4: thirteen months until the actual election, and you guys know

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Speaker 4: how things work, it's going to get to Thanksgiving and

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Speaker 4: then Christmas and then New Years, And I feel like

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Speaker 4: as twenty twenty four begins, this is every single one

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Speaker 4: of you out there listening to us right now, Especially

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Speaker 4: if you're a guy. You've had a friend who was engaged,

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Speaker 4: and I bet a lot of women have too. I

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Speaker 4: can only speak to guys, and you've been like, I

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Speaker 4: can't believe this wedding's going to happen, and you're like, well,

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Speaker 4: it's six months away.

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Speaker 1: Something will happen. And I feel like.

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Speaker 4: For the Democrats, it's as if they don't really realize

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Speaker 4: what wheels they've put in motion.

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Speaker 1: Like you realize you get engaged.

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Speaker 4: Eventually, a wedding ceremony happens, right, like you have to

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Speaker 4: talk to your buddy at some point, like you understand

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Speaker 4: what you've done here, Like the wheels are moving and

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Speaker 4: suddenly are we going to get to March? And Democrats

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Speaker 4: are going to have to answer your questions? I mean

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Speaker 4: they're already starting to, you know, with the gag orders

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Speaker 4: and everything else. I mean, are they going to try

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Speaker 4: to put Trump in prison? Has anybody even thought about

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Speaker 4: what happens with Secret Service protection? I mean, I think

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Speaker 4: probably what they would do Buck is just put him

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Speaker 4: on try to put him on house arrest at mar

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Speaker 4: A Lago. But during a presidential campaign, even that is crazy.

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Speaker 4: What I'm getting at is the permutations of Democrat insanity.

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Speaker 4: We haven't yet started to reap the consequences of their

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Speaker 4: decisions in a broad way, and I wonder if they've

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Speaker 4: even contemplated the wheels of justice that they put in motion,

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Speaker 4: because eventually we're gonna get to March, and it's gonna

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Speaker 4: happen for a lot of us really quick, because it's

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Speaker 4: gonna come out of the holidays and we're gonna be like,

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Speaker 4: holy crap, this is two months away. People are prepared

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Speaker 4: for what we're gonna see, Buck, I really am not

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Speaker 4: sure as a nation that they've even thought through what

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Speaker 4: this is going to look like.

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Speaker 1: I think that's true, and I just believe this is

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Speaker 1: where we are.

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Speaker 4: it a second time. I was skeptical that he would

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Speaker 4: manage to get very far the Democrat Party. At one

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Speaker 4: seven eight nine percent something like that among Democrats. So

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Speaker 4: he is not a serious threat to Joe Biden at all.

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Speaker 4: Right now, that's just not going to happen.

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Speaker 2: I was skeptical that Democrats would allow an upstart challenge

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Speaker 2: like this to get very far. You'll notice the media

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Speaker 2: media shows like this one that were more interested in

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Speaker 2: which is saying a lot. That's that's a pretty impressive

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Speaker 2: bar that RFK Junior was able to able to cross.

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Speaker 1: Threshold. He was able to cross.

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Speaker 2: So now we have on Friday the revelation. I was

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Speaker 2: sitting there, I just had you're just sweat pouring down

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Speaker 2: my forehead. I'm carrying. You know, one thing you learn

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Speaker 2: when you move, don't buy too many lamps and mirrors

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Speaker 2: because they're impossible. They're break, they break, they're heavy, they're

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Speaker 2: all over the place.

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Speaker 1: Well, how much books weigh? I bet you found that

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Speaker 1: out too.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I've I've I've had to winnow down my book

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Speaker 2: And so, yes, books are heavy. They're easy to pack

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Speaker 2: those that's easier, but they're heavy. So I'm dealing with

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Speaker 2: the possibility RFK junior third party candidacy. He hinted at

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Speaker 2: this very much on Friday, and we'll see now where

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Speaker 2: this actually goes.

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Speaker 1: It is my belief.

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Speaker 2: And people are going to argue about this a lot

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Speaker 2: that RFK Junior has always had more interest and support

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Speaker 2: from disaffected Republicans disaffected with the system than Democrats, and

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Speaker 2: that when push comes to shove, Democrats tend to be

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Speaker 2: better at falling in line. Now, the counter to that

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Speaker 2: argument would be Jill Stein in twenty sixteen, who I

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Speaker 2: think doesn't get very much attention and conservative or a

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Speaker 2: Republican circles these days, because nobody really wants to hear that.

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Speaker 2: Without Jill Stein, Donald Trump doesn't beat Hillary Clinton. But

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Speaker 2: there's a very strong case by the numbers to be

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Speaker 2: back in the day got way more votes than well

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00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: maybe would have been anticipated until the votes were actually cast,

872
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 2: and because of that, Bill Clinton, with less.

873
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: Than half the vote, becomes President.

874
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 2: Clay, how do you see this? Because in my mind,

875
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 2: all the talks we have about the border, and about

876
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: the economy and about all these things could perhaps be

877
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: nullified and Biden could be effectively handed a reelection or

878
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 2: whoever the Democrat is. If people think it's not gonna

879
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: be Biden, because I think that RFKA Junior pulls more

880
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 2: Republican votes and Democrat votes, where do you come down

881
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 2: on this?

882
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 4: I'm concerned that you're right about that. And I put

883
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,959
Speaker 4: up a poll about an hour ago, and I just said,

884
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 4: if RFK Junior runs as a third party nominee and

885
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 4: Trump and Biden are nominees, do you think he takes

886
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 4: more vote from Trump? More votes from Trump or Biden.

887
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 4: Eleven thousand of you have voted so far, fifty two

888
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 4: percent of you say Biden, forty eight percent of you

889
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 4: say Trump. So my audience right now, voting on Twitter

890
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 4: is essentially fifty to fifty and buck. I've said there're

891
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 4: three ways I think Trump beats Biden in the event

892
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 4: that they run against each other. One way was that

893
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 4: there's just lower turnout. I think we have a stake bet.

894
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 4: I expect that there will be less I think the

895
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 4: total number in twenty twenty was one hundred and fifty

896
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 4: six million. Whatever that final tally was roughly one hundred

897
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 4: and fifty six million. I think there will be millions

898
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 4: less people vote in twenty twenty four. So I think

899
00:48:55,200 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 4: lower turnout favors Trump. Third party. I have been of

900
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 4: the opinion that a third party helps Trump. I'm nervous

901
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 4: on this one. And then the third one I said

902
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 4: was Biden's health, that he has some something that is

903
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 4: just so impossible to ignore, even for Democrats in the

904
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,919
Speaker 4: next year if he's the nominee. I'm nervous the more

905
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 4: I think about it. I think that RFK Junior helps Biden,

906
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 4: and I think we have audio actually of RFK Junior

907
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 4: saying more of his supporters would hurt Trump than would

908
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 4: hurt Biden.

909
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:32,720
Speaker 1: Listen to this audio.

910
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 4: This is an interview that RFK Junior, did I think

911
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 4: with the comedian Theo Vaughn listen.

912
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: And then the other thing is that I take more

913
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: votes from President Trump than I do from President Biden, Right,

914
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: So why would that help them? It's not helping him. Okay?

915
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 4: So RFK Junior, based on the numbers that he's seen,

916
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 4: if he runs as a third party, a lot of

917
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 4: people are celebrating saying, oh, this is bad for Biden.

918
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 4: I think it's actually worse from Trump.

919
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: It is and I would say, you know.

920
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 2: All along, so I'll mean you know this, I was saying, guys,

921
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: he's a Democrat, all right. You know, he says some

922
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 2: good things on a few issues, and I appreciate that,

923
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 2: and we'll call balls and strikes on it. At the

924
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 2: end of the day, he's a Democrat, He's a Kennedy,

925
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 2: He's Democrat royalty. He's not going to do something that

926
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 2: would destroy the Kennedy brand always in forever and helping

927
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 2: Donald Trump win the presidency would would do that. It's

928
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 2: something that would mean that all future Kennedy's, I think,

929
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: would be looked at in a very different light. I

930
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: don't see this. I don't think it's it's overly complicated.

931
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 2: I don't think it's all that difficult to understand how

932
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 2: this would would actually go RFK Junior would get some

933
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 2: people that are kind of in that libertarian question the

934
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 2: system space in places like Arizona and Pennsylvania and Michigan,

935
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: and those tend to be people that I think are

936
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 2: more likely to go Trump than they would be to

937
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 2: go Biden. And he doesn't have to get a lot

938
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 2: of votes to change the way this election turned out.

939
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 2: Jill Stein didn't get a lot of votes. That was

940
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 2: the other thing it can be. It's where you get

941
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 2: the votes, which is also why a lot of this polling,

942
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 2: Like I know, everyone got all excited about this poll

943
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 2: that showed Trump ahead nine points on Biden. If we

944
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 2: do better in New York and California, you know, if

945
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 2: the Republican Party does better in twenty twenty four in

946
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 2: those states in a presidential sense, it doesn't matter. Yeah,

947
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 2: what matters is I mean, it's very clear what matters

948
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 2: are these swing states, and there's it's a much more

949
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 2: complicated morass in the swing states than it is just

950
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 2: looking at the national polling a year and a month

951
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 2: before the election.

952
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: Wow, we're thirteen months out. I just realized that thirteen months.

953
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 4: Okay, so let me ask you this, Buck. If you

954
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 4: and I both agree that RFK Junior helps Biden more

955
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 4: than he helps Trump rategic do you think so the

956
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 4: report is let me also add this. I don't think

957
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 4: we said it yet. Mediaite reported that RFK Junior is

958
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 4: going to announce third party run on October ninth. That

959
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 4: would be what next Monday, so one week from today.

960
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 4: That's a long run up. I don't know what he's

961
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 4: hoping to get. In the meantime, it feels like that's

962
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 4: a calculated leak. Maybe it's a desire to negotiate.

963
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: In some way.

964
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 4: That's what I always think when people say I'm going

965
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 4: to do something in ten days or twelve days, I'm

966
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 4: always like, what.

967
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: Do they actually want?

968
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 4: So I do think it's worth asking if this is

969
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 4: a leak that's calculated from the RFK Junior camp. Is

970
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 4: he seeking something that he could get from a negotiation

971
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 4: perspective in order to potentially forestall if he's actually going

972
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 4: to announce, what would you do if you're the Trump team,

973
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,439
Speaker 4: because surely they recognize that this harms them. I think

974
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 4: it could. I hate to say it, I think it

975
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 4: could be the kind of move that costs in all

976
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 4: the swing states. And I've been hammering you libertarians out there.

977
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 4: I voted libertarian before. I'm hammering libertarians. If you live

978
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 4: in Georgia or Wisconsin or Pennsylvania or Michigan or Nevada

979
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 4: or Arizona or New Hampshire, what are you doing? You

980
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 4: have no opportunity to actually elect a libertarian, but in

981
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 4: that space you could definitely help to ensure that a

982
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 4: Democrat get elected. In fact, if you go look at

983
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 4: all the libertarians that voted in twenty twenty, if libertarians

984
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 4: weren't on the ballot in those swing states, I think

985
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 4: Trump would have won the election.

986
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: Buck.

987
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 4: So do you try anything with RFK Junior if you're Trump,

988
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 4: because surely they would see this data and say it

989
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 4: doesn't work very positively for us. And given how close

990
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 4: this race could be, is there something you could offer

991
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 4: to RFK Junior to keep him from running third party?

992
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:00,720
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering.

993
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't think there's any I

994
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 2: don't think there's any way. And this is why. Look,

995
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 2: I everyone knows I was very skeptical of this RFK

996
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 2: Junior thing.

997
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 1: Early on I was willing to hear him out.

998
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 2: He's good on COVID, that he's good on COVID, and

999
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 2: he doesn't sound crazy when he talks about the border.

1000
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: You know.

1001
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 2: Beyond that, he's a Democrat, and he got a lot

1002
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 2: of attention on conservatives. I hate to say it, conservative

1003
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 2: media kind of built this guy at this point. I mean,

1004
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 2: he was much more of a fixture on the right

1005
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 2: and getting time on on you know, box and on

1006
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 2: talk radio than he was on the left, because I

1007
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 2: think that they saw at some level what was going

1008
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 2: on here. I think that they understood that if he

1009
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 2: actually you know, I think that there's an understanding that

1010
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 2: he's really doing this out of his sense that he's

1011
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 2: upset with the system, and they didn't want to build

1012
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 2: him up against Biden. But now I think they're willing

1013
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 2: to see that this is as the vote, as the

1014
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 2: polls have come out, and as the understanding of who

1015
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 2: really supports him has become more clear, he's gonna hurt conservatives.

1016
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say.

1017
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 2: They didn't want him to hurt Biden, and I think

1018
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 2: they're past that window now. There was a window where

1019
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 2: he could have been a real challenge to buy the

1020
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 2: Democrats shut him out. Now we look at this and

1021
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 2: we say, oh my gosh, if he runs third party,

1022
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:22,439
Speaker 2: he could hurt Trump.

1023
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: And we have to sit around and.

1024
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 2: Go, yeah, well, this is what happens when you tell

1025
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 2: everybody on the right, this guy's fascinating.

1026
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 4: Okay, so should Trump consider trying to get him in

1027
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 4: the cabinet.

1028
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: I don't think you'd take it.

1029
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 4: Cassantas said he'd look at him for CDC, for some

1030
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 4: sort of role associated with that, because he was right

1031
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 4: on COVID. I'm just tossing it out there if we

1032
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 4: lose because of libertarian voters. You people out there who

1033
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 4: are listening that may be willing to vote libertarian. This

1034
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 4: is why I said, and this is why I'm gonna

1035
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 4: keep hammering this. All these people out there who if

1036
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 4: we opened up lines and said, hey, if you're a

1037
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 4: preferred candidate doesn't win in the primary, what are you

1038
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 4: gonna do? Everybody says on the callers, They're like, I

1039
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 4: wouldn't even vote. I'm just gonna stay home. If my

1040
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,760
Speaker 4: guy doesn't win or my girl doesn't win, I'm done.

1041
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,399
Speaker 4: You don't buy it. You think they're just lying.

1042
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: We can't.

1043
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 2: It can't be held hostage by people doing the If

1044
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 2: I don't get my way, I'm staying at.

1045
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,439
Speaker 4: I agree, But those people everyone can play this game.

1046
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 4: Those people are ascendant on social media. All they do

1047
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 4: is run around. They're like, my guy, my guy doesn't win,

1048
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 4: and I'm I'm gonna just sit at home and I

1049
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 4: hope the other I mean you people, And I've said

1050
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 4: this before and I'm gonna re echo it, reiterate it.

1051
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: I think you're a loser.

1052
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 4: I think if you are engaged in the primary process

1053
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 4: and people say, you know, shouldn't call somebody a loser, Well,

1054
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 4: if your decision guarantees that you lose, what other word

1055
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 4: is there for it? Like, if you're truly gonna sit

1056
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 4: home if your candidate doesn't win, then you're in trouble.

1057
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 4: I think this is gonna get so complicated. Buck Carnell

1058
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 4: West is evidently gonna run as a Green Party. There's

1059
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 4: the talk that the no Labels people are going to

1060
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 4: put somebody forward. I think we may have four or

1061
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 4: five candidates on the pole on the ballot in many

1062
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 4: states before all of a sudden done.

1063
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: You ask what could be done?

1064
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 2: I think Republicans if they want to be smart, need to,

1065
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 2: you know, maybe think about giving a lot of a

1066
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 2: lot of attention to help to Cornell West. Get him

1067
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 2: and make sure he's on every every ballot, make sure

1068
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 2: that he's a real force to be reckoned with in

1069
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 2: some of these states, because that's ninety percent Democrat votes,

1070
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,479
Speaker 2: that that he would be siphoning off ninety percent plus.

1071
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he's he's only going to take

1072
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 2: Democrat votes away. So in that regard, I doubt that

1073
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 2: he would. I doubt that it will actually happen with him,

1074
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 2: But in that situation, that's what I think would be

1075
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 2: best for them. You saw this with Republicans in twenty

1076
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 2: twenty two where the Democrats supported in primaries and I

1077
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 2: know people don't like this, they don't like hearing this sometimes,

1078
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 2: but they supported the most right winging candidate, the most

1079
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 2: you know right wing can and some of those candidates lost.

1080
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 4: All of them did pretty much. There was almost no

1081
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 4: blowback on Democrats for spending money to try to put

1082
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 4: right wing candidates on the ballot in many toss up districts.

1083
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 4: That's what they did. They spent millions of dollars to

1084
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 4: put candidates that they thought were unelectable onto the ballot,

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