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Speaker 1: You can't protet anything presented by first, like creating proven

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Speaker 1: for every hunt first like go farther, stay longer. Isn't

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Speaker 1: Bill Smith the most popular name? Listen, start the machine.

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Speaker 1: of their kids Bill, Like after Harry Potter came out,

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Speaker 1: it coming that everyone was going to name their kid Henry.

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Speaker 1: They named their kids Henry because I think they thought

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Speaker 1: I like those kids books. So they named him Henry

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Speaker 1: There's certain theories I'm into that are hard to substantiate.

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Speaker 1: Like my brother Danny believes that he can't untangle in

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Speaker 1: their boxers too. Now, in terms of names, it would

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Speaker 1: You know what we're talking about his wife for in,

424
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 1: for out and all that. Okay, yeah, yeah, well that's

425
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: what we got distracted on. So we put the Bobcat

426
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 1: on a board yesterday. Um, because this Bobcat is going

427
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 1: to be we want them fur out um and that's

428
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 1: how they're sold, which you're gonna tan it. So it

429
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: really doesn't matter because on a Bobcat, the buyers want

430
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: to see they want to see the spots. You know,

431
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: that's your prime. You know, on a coyote, it's kind

432
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,880
Speaker 1: of that back or the belly. Um a coon, it's

433
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 1: the back. But on the Bobcat, they really want to

434
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: see those spots. That's that's where the money is at,

435
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: the spotted belly, that spotted belly and generally, you know,

436
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: the clear more predominant spots are you're hired dollar furs.

437
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 1: So I've heard guys say that if the belly like,

438
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: they'll go buy you. How many fingers the belly strip is? Like,

439
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: if you have a belly strip that's like four fingers

440
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 1: wide and nice bright clear spots, that's a good one. Now,

441
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: I gotta admit the one your hand on right there

442
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: is a two f it's got a two finger belly

443
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah. I just got a pretty nice one

444
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: believable Bobcat. Yeah, that was a nice one. That's like

445
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: two hands wide belly. That was a big boy. And

446
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 1: if you look at them compared to like the Western

447
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: bobcats versus the Eastern bobcats. You know these bobcats out

448
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: here a lot clearer our Our Eastern bobcats are just

449
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 1: almost brown. Yeah, totally different trash cats. Yeah, not not

450
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: worth so uh okay, tell everybody it's on a split board.

451
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 1: A splain all that. So we we boarded this cat

452
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: on a split board. Um, you know you can board

453
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: them on a solid board or split board. I have

454
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: a preference of a split board simply because with the

455
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: split boards we're going to flip this heide anyway, so

456
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to manipulate them, and the split board

457
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: just allows us to remove the animal from the board

458
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 1: just a little bit easier. Now, if if, if it

459
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: needs to be if it needs to be fur out,

460
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 1: why did we start it for in because we want

461
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: to get that critter to dry. There's a there's and

462
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: depending on who you talked to, some guys will what

463
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: they call skip the flip, which is they will that's

464
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: a good T shirt, skip the slip flip. Yeah, but

465
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: we need an illustration Hunters. We need to call Hunter

466
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: Spencer and see if he can capture in an image

467
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: a man who has simply not flipped it. Skip the flips.

468
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: There's a lot of because it's a picture of a

469
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: dude with a bobcat. How do you know if he

470
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: flipped it or not. It's a hard illustration. I'm gonna

471
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: think about that. How would you capture that illustration? And

472
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: then it would say skip the flip. But we're gonna

473
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 1: flip this one because the reason why we're gonna flip

474
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: it is we want to make sure that hide is

475
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 1: good and dry and that we're not going to have

476
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: any issues with you know, molding or drying issues. So

477
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: we bore did this thing for in on a split

478
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: board and we've let it sit, you know, depending on

479
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: temperature and humanity, everythings like that. Twelve sixteen hours. But

480
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: that one, because of because of our schedule day, he's

481
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: been sitting and sitting a little longer, a little longer,

482
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: so it's gonna be a little bit more of a

483
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: trick now. One day I called stew and I asked,

484
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: I was doing a martin and I had to leave town.

485
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna be around to flip, so I didn't

486
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: know the slogan skip the flip, And I said, can

487
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: I skip the flip, and he said, people do and

488
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: it's something that you can get away with. And that's

489
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 1: some of a bit dried on that board. I was.

490
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: I got to where I was thinking about how I

491
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: was going to try to destroy the board because somehow

492
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: get my I wanted the Martin more than the board,

493
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: and I was like, maybe I can split this board

494
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: and crack it into little pieces and somehow get it

495
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: out of there. And then after much trial and error,

496
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: I eventually got that some bitch off but dried on

497
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: the board. When I do him right for in overnight

498
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: and then flip it, it just falls off just so

499
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 1: much easier, no different than this. So I see you

500
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 1: guys got it salted too, or a little bit of borax.

501
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: Sorry about that now, Phil, Sorry not Phil. You know

502
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to Phil talking about that. But Bill,

503
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: Phil his name Bill, he'd know, Uh yeah, explain the

504
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,239
Speaker 1: borax a little bit, A little bit borax. So a

505
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: lot of people assume use salt for whatever reason. I guess,

506
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: just an old timey thing you salted hide. If you're

507
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: selling to the fur trade, that's actually you don't want

508
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: to use salt. And the reason being is the salt

509
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: interacts with the hide negatively, whereas the whenever they actually

510
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: go to tann it, you know, it has a negative

511
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: impact on the hide. So we use borax, which is

512
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: just twenty mule team borax. It's just detergent, is all

513
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: what it is. And it just helps us. Uh. In

514
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: areas that would be like under the arms that are

515
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: not able to have air circulate quite as good, use

516
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: a little borax just to help help the drying process.

517
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: A trick I learned on Coon Creek Outdoors that I

518
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: need that you need. You need some feedback on is

519
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: uh where you live it's more humid. So you were

520
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: talking about you have a block of boax, like you

521
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: let it sit out and it turns into a brick

522
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: and you just rub it on. Yeah, so you have

523
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: a thing that looks like a bar of soap, but

524
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,719
Speaker 1: it's a block of boax and you rub it on.

525
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: I was like, man, that's like a ship. It works great. Yeah,

526
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: you can't get that here. I don't care how long

527
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: you let that stuff sit in your garage, it will

528
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: not turn into a block. It's too arid. Put it

529
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: in the bathroom with you take a shower, let it

530
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: collect a little bit moisture, then go stick it outside.

531
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: That's a good idea. You need to make a video

532
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: addendum to your video and then you need it. It It

533
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: needs a pause and like you hit a certain button

534
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: if you're from the air. It was see me in

535
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: my bathroom in the shower of block of box. So

536
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: you think i'd be able to get a block of

537
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: boar X. If I did that, you're putting humidity to

538
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: I almost was gonna have you send me a block

539
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: of boar. Actually, I thought he'd get to where I

540
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: live and dry out the fall turn back into powder.

541
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of goods. There's not a situation

542
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,479
Speaker 1: where you'd salted. No, no, not. The only situation if

543
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna salt it is if you are going to

544
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: tan it yourself, So then you're actually gonna use and

545
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: and you know, there's a lot of different ways to tan.

546
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: But essentially what the salt does is really remove all

547
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: the oils from the hide and pull all the oils out.

548
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: But the tanning process that you're gonna do at home

549
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: versus a tanning process that's done commercially is different. So

550
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: the salt kind of has a negative impact on it

551
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: in that manner. So I've heard people describe I'm curious

552
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: if you'd agree with this. I've heard people describe home

553
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: tanning as more of a preservation method than like uh

554
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,959
Speaker 1: then than uh kind of like an archival. I'm not

555
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: finding the right words, but that that you're talking to quality, Yeah,

556
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: that that it's more like it's it's pretty temporary home

557
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: tan job. Like maybe you get ten years out of it,

558
00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: but you're not gonna get out of it what you

559
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: get out of it from a commercial tannery. Do you

560
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: agree with that or not agree? Not necessarily. I think

561
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: it's all it's all how much love you put into

562
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: tanning it. You know, that's where a lot of people

563
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: will fail. A lot has to go into the breaking

564
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: process and the way that further or tan commercially, they're

565
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: able to be broken like like garment material, you know,

566
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: very soft, you know, but home tanning, you know, you

567
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: can brain tan something, which is what the Indians did.

568
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: So there's I was at a museum yesterday and there's

569
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: still stuff around from this been brain tanning. That's that

570
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: was that was brain That's kind of what I was

571
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: hearing about brain tanning is that it didn't um that

572
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: like moisture can really be hard on it. You know,

573
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: it's all in how you like I said, how you

574
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: tann it. A lot of the brain tanning involves like

575
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: a smoking process to water proof it, keep the bugs

576
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: out of it. You know what, You're basically just replacing

577
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:57,239
Speaker 1: the natural tannins in the hide with some sort of

578
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: synthetic material for the majority of your home tanning. So

579
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: like if you've seen the orange bottle or the different

580
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: acid I mean there's a million different ways acid tanning.

581
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: There's some egg white tanning. I mean, you're what methods

582
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: do you do? You use? I brain tan and I

583
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: use the Orange bottle Hunters and Trappers high tanning formula.

584
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: Those are my two favorite that I've had a lot

585
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: of success with deer brains, any brains. It's the I

586
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: believe it's the landeline. I believe is what it is

587
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: in the brains. And there's tell me what all kinds

588
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: of brains you've used. I've used everything everything I can

589
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: get my hands on deer. Deer brains are the easiest,

590
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: you know, to acquire during the season. But there's this

591
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: kind of a myth, and I've found it to be

592
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: fairly accurate where whatever animal you have, basically their brain

593
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: is sized accordingly to tan there and I've found that

594
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: to be fairly act. Yeah, So which I I just

595
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: save everything up at the end of the year and

596
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: mix it all together. And big old bucket of brain,

597
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: big old bucket of brains. I'd like to see that

598
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: big old bucket of brains. Don't drink that. Um. Okay,

599
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,239
Speaker 1: back to the Bobcat because then we gotta cover off

600
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: on some stuff. I just want to get to the

601
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: part where you're flipping it, okay, and tell people how

602
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: not to tear it. All right, So this thing's dried

603
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: on the board for set a number of ours and

604
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: it's uh, I don't know if you can hear it

605
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: through the microphone, but it sounds almost like dry paper.

606
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what you're going for. You know,

607
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: you don't want it to be to dry it's gonna

608
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: be hard to flip, but you also don't want it

609
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: to be too wet where you're gonna have mold issues.

610
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: So we've got it to that point right now. You

611
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: know what, Brod, I gotta tell you something. You really

612
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: distract me on this, but I'm trying to but to

613
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: your credits I'm trying to get everything that you know

614
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: outright for a wall, because that's gonna be a wall hanger.

615
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: Stu turned the ears, which is not something that most

616
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: like trappers for the commercial market would do, but he

617
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: turned the ears out of concern for my wall hanger. Bobcat,

618
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: you better explain that, all right. So we split the

619
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: ears side, Yeah, split them. We split the ears. And

620
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: traditionally anything from below the ears up in the commercial

621
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: trade is not used. So generally, you know, flashing process,

622
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: different things like that, we don't normally use that. But

623
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: since you're gonna tan it and use it for a

624
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: wall hanger, we went ahead and split the ears. And basically,

625
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: on on an ear of of most critters, you have

626
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: an inner ear kind of in an outer ear. The

627
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: inner ear is actually what has the cartilage and on

628
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: like a coyote, say, that's what makes the ears pronounced

629
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: stand up, and then the outer skin has the fur

630
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: on it that you see. But on a bobcat there's

631
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: fur on both sides, and you want to keep that

632
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: so in order to let the tan solution penetrate. And

633
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: this is just over my ears of doing it. If

634
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: you actually separate the cartilage from the skin in the ear,

635
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: you're able to let that tan solution kind of penetrate

636
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: up the ear and ideally save both sides of the ear,

637
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: and then by doing so, you've actually saved the cartilage

638
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: as well. So after you get your tan pelt back,

639
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: your ears still look like ears. Basically, it don't look

640
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: all all wrinkled up, you know and kind of shriveled up.

641
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: But I like a way to imagine it is imagine

642
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: that you're going to cut off your own ear and

643
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: tan it, because I think about like, like grab your

644
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: ear flap, right, you have skin and skin, Yeah, you'd

645
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: have to get like how are you gonna you know,

646
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 1: you'd want to get in there and split it open

647
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: so that you were getting each side of the skin

648
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: to keep your ear properly tanned up. Yeah, And I mean,

649
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: you know, just from my experience over the years, it

650
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: just seems like if you don't split the ears, generally

651
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: that inner part where the cartilage sets, it won't take

652
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: the tan solution very well, and then it'll end up

653
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: slipping the ferral slip, which basically just means it it'll

654
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: fall off. So, yeah, we tried to do a favor

655
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: here and split the ears and hopefully whenever it gets

656
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: tand it'll they'll come out right. So we did that,

657
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: and now it's time to finally flip this this critter.

658
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna take it off the board. There's a

659
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: couple of different ways to flip it. And basically, like

660
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: I said, we've got this thing tube skin, so we

661
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: want to turn it out outward and we're gonna roll

662
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: it kind of like you would turn a sock inside out. Um. So,

663
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: generally you have a lot more tendency to rip the

664
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 1: hide if you start from the bottom and go up.

665
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: But if you turn them from the nose in and

666
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: kind of push the head in and roll it down,

667
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: generally that's a safer bet uh to not not ripping

668
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: the hide or tearing the hide. You know, a lot

669
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: has to go on how far you let this thing dry.

670
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: There's just that fine window uh in in flipping the

671
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: hides that you know you kind of need to hit.

672
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: But I think we'll I think we'll be okay. Is

673
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 1: there some critters that their hide tears a lot easier,

674
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: so like fox have really thin skin. Um. There there's

675
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: a big number trapper that I follow and he's skipped

676
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: the flip on foxes for years. You know. Uh, he

677
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: puts them up on wire too, so a lot of wire.

678
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: So you know, there's just there's one way to do it,

679
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: and then there's a hundred other different ways to do it.

680
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: You know, there's not really one set way, which is

681
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: which is kind of cool. So it depending on who

682
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: you talk to and what part of the country it's.

683
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: But we're gonna do it this way because it's the

684
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: way I've always done it, and we're gonna basically start

685
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: at the nose and we're gonna just kind of need

686
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: that head down through the body and and pull it

687
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: through and then we'll have the have the bobcat fur

688
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: out and you'll be able to see your cat. All right.

689
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: So Stu Miller, Coon Creek Outdoors, he's gonna start turning

690
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: do it as loud as you can because we're gonna

691
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: cover off on our other stuff and I want people

692
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: to be ablit to hear you doing it, and I'll

693
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: keep people posting on what's going on. Let's hope I

694
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: don't rip it. Oh, if you rip it, dude, first

695
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: thing it's gonna happen is this show is over. If

696
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: you rip it. Stew All you have to do is

697
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: say just do it yourself next time. Then I ripped

698
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 1: a few of my day people get pissed. It's like, well,

699
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 1: I can't imagine. Maybe I'll be living taking to someone

700
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 1: else and here someone so mad that they become apoplectic.

701
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: They'll be me. I've never heard of that. If Steve

702
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: rips my bobcat All right, so we gotta touch off

703
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 1: on this. You weren't even here when I was talking

704
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: about this. What are you are you going? I was

705
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,439
Speaker 1: going to run in the bathroom quick, but I'll stick

706
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: around talking about your marriage. Oh yeah, I had better

707
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: stick around. Um am I still officiating. Yakay, No we haven't.

708
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: We haven't found someone else. Uh, because if you want to,

709
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: Yeah that I was reading up on what I gotta

710
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: do very simple to become a minister. No, you didn't

711
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: tell me, but I listened to the podcast, okay the listeners,

712
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: and I had a guy was pointing out interesting thing

713
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: that you can get married. Um, in Montana you get

714
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: married by proxy. Mm hmm. You could have a wedding

715
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: that you're not at. I didn't realize this. Montana recognizes

716
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: what's called a double proxy marriage. So both of us

717
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: don't to be here. There's a marriage. Yeah, you could

718
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: get married here where no one shows up. Huh that yeah, well,

719
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 1: let me I'll run that by Kelsey. See what she says.

720
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: The guy that wrote and this is interesting about the

721
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: the US military. So the guy wrote in his active

722
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: duty military we're to the front legs. Now, it's gonna

723
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: be hard. Do you like it that there's a loud

724
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: noise in the background. I mean, I think it's great.

725
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: Normally I would hate it, but in this circumstances, what

726
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: I'm worried about. Here's what I'm worried about, is how

727
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: he's gonna get those legs inverted. It sounds like paper crinklin.

728
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: Like you know, guy, this guy's active duty military. And

729
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 1: I didn't realize this, but it makes sense. The military

730
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 1: does not recognize engagements in terms of like shuffling you around,

731
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: so you could get sent somewhere else there. Yeah, you

732
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: could be like, oh, we're engaged, like it doesn't matter

733
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: to them. No, no paperwork or price speak of this

734
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: a little bit um. So he and his woman were

735
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: getting a PCs, a permanent change of station where they

736
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: be sent to different military basis. But they're both gone

737
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: on they were both gone uh un deployment, so neither

738
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: of them is there and they got married anyway double proxy.

739
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: Then they were able to move back to the same

740
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: location because in the military recognized their union. Isn't that

741
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 1: happy ending, Phil, That's great because you get to skip

742
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: all the bullshit and just have a party later. I

743
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,479
Speaker 1: don't want to call you outside. But you don't seem

744
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: like you're too warm to that idea. Well listen, it's yeah,

745
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: Kelsey is not gonna be warm to that idea. Do

746
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: you guys have one of those little registries going? No,

747
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: you can do that. I think you should get one going.

748
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: We should advertise it on the podcast. What else we're

749
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: gonna be talking do single We gotta get to that

750
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,439
Speaker 1: to find stew more girlfriends. Um no, no, So we're

751
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: not doing the registry thing. We're saying like, if you

752
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: if you feel if you feel like you want to

753
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: wanna give us something, just throw us a little cash

754
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: because there ain't no, there's no registry out there. It's

755
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: gonna like knock a wall out in my house. I

756
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: got it. So you're just like you just want money, Yeah,

757
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: that's great. You don't need China. I don't. I don't

758
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: need like kitchen aid mixer or something like that. You know,

759
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: it's Kelsey going to listen to this podcast and here

760
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: you throw her under the bus so savagely like that. No,

761
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: she is, She's totally on board with this. No I

762
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 1: I was going about the double proxy. Yeah she ain't

763
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, okay, yeah, uh in Florida right now? Update?

764
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, we're gonna give up Bobcat update. Look

765
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: at that. You know, I should have brought my fur brush,

766
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: my fur home, because right now he's the way can

767
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: I can I see it from ittt Oh? You know,

768
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: while we're speaking of updates, I just want to up

769
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: there our listeners that the kayak is sold. So tell

770
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: tell about what the guy that bought it gave us.

771
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so the the guy that bought the kayak,

772
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 1: I should I forget his name? Man, I'll look it up. Um,

773
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: did you have a lot of people wanted the kayaka? Um?

774
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: The guy that bought the kayak was. He's active duty military.

775
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: He's up at stationed up in Great Falls, and he

776
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 1: gave Steve and I a hundred and five millimeter shell casings,

777
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: which my son is very interested in that. Uh, we're

778
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: fired on a deployment. And I think he said like

779
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: Afghanistandard or Iraq or Syria. I got. I don't know

780
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do with my It's sweet. Here comes

781
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 1: the front legs? Oh? Is he doing the front legs? Now? Okay,

782
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: the Bobcat is now revealed. We can see the hide

783
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: the beautifully speed years and he's trying to do the

784
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: final thing of get the legs inverted, which is tough

785
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: because you left him so long whenever you skinned him.

786
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: So we're trying to pull them through like I left

787
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: him too long. Well that's differen a wall hanger and

788
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: in a commercial trade Bobcat, it's very exciting. Uh. In Florida, see,

789
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what the weather is going. I want

790
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: to cover off on a news bit. But the problem

791
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: is this, this isn't gonna release right away. It's gonna

792
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: be a couple of days. So the cold snap might

793
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: be over, but there was a national cold snap um

794
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: still going on right now. And in Florida, they they

795
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: they're releasing warnings about the iguana is falling from trees.

796
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: So Florida is full of gotta got an invasive iguana problem.

797
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: We actually had some of that iguana fat, and uh,

798
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: Kevin Gillespie made us iguana fat cookies, which are wonderful,

799
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: like sugar cookies with a on a fat um. And

800
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: the guy rode in how these frozen iguanas fall from

801
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: trees and get stunned and they're just laying around on

802
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: roads and sidewalks. We have a bunch of pictures of

803
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 1: just iguana as it fell from outer space, laying around,

804
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: and he's kind of wandering about if there's like an

805
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: ethical dilemma to picking up in to dispatching iguanas that

806
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 1: are in such a compromised position, kind of like shooting

807
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: cariboo in a river or something like shooting cariboan a

808
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: river or whatever, shooting fish in a barrel. Yeah. Uh,

809
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: we're also thinking about whether or not this falls under

810
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: the umbrella of chetica. I feel that does not. What

811
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: do you think, Chester, No, it's more of an ethics thing,

812
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: just a moral dilemma, which Karin, what did she right

813
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: up there? Cheffical? Is it cheftical? I mean, like I said,

814
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: it's a moral dilemma. I think if you knew how

815
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: good that fat was for making cookies and if you

816
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: like eating them, why the heck not? They want them

817
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: out of there. Um, But this guy's moral dilemma is

818
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: like some of these are too small to eat, so

819
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to damage the resources. Like he doesn't

820
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: want to damage the resource. He doesn't like killing things

821
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: that he doesn't eat, you know, So so he's weighing

822
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: out do I serve the goal of eliminating the iguana

823
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: from Florida or do I serve my personal ethic, which is,

824
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: don't kill stuff you're not gonna eat, which Trump's which? Man?

825
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like these guys really have a problem. Um,

826
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: are you clear of what the problem is? What do

827
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: we do A lot of burrowing and like sea walls

828
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: and house foundations and things. That's the problem. It's not

829
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: like a biological issue, I don't think so, Like I

830
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 1: don't think they're eating native bird eggs and stuff off

831
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: like that that I that I know of. And you

832
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: think that you think think that I thought they were

833
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: like doing something to native that's possible, But what I've

834
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: heard a lot is like they're doing damage to structures

835
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: and like that. We have a headline in front of

836
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: his cold weather could bring frozen too iguanas this weekend.

837
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: It's just like a picture of some iguanas just taking

838
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: a quick nap um. But yeah, I think like, if

839
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: you take the ones you're gonna eat, you know, do

840
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: a little a little both there. I don't know, no,

841
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: I would think so man. But here's the thing I

842
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: could weigh out. Let's say I really developed the taste

843
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: for iguanas down there, okay, and I had like a

844
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: little yard and now and that would get me a

845
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: big fat iguana. And I was watching some small ones

846
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: lurking around, and I knew that I I don't know

847
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 1: what their life expectancy is, but I knew that they'd

848
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: get big. And then I'd have like, I'm never eating

849
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: I've eating their fat. I never eat. Let's add loved it.

850
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: I could see a situation where one would fall from

851
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,479
Speaker 1: a tree, A little one would fall from a tree,

852
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: and I would resuscitate it and warm it up in

853
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: order to grow it big because I love the iguana

854
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: met and not and not go out and do what

855
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: I was supposed to do, which is go out and

856
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: kill it. Here's the thing, I don't know if it's

857
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: legal or not. Why don't you just make a little

858
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 1: iguana cage, take those iguanas, start feeding, and start raising

859
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: them yourself. It's like, get out. Just thought of a

860
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: real I just remembered the real world version of what

861
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, not that this isn't the real world,

862
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: but a personal version. You know how lake trout um

863
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 1: got into Yellowstone Lake and started there real hard on cuts,

864
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: not bull trout, yellowstone cutthroat. So someone thought was a

865
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: good idea to let some lake trout go in Yellowstone Lake,

866
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: which is in Yelsta National Park, and it's the head

867
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: of the Yellowstone River. And it was it was very

868
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: detrimental to the native cut wrote the east slope cuts cracked.

869
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: I believe it was a yellow actually, which is like

870
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: a more of a pumpkin colored orangeish yellowish cutthroat got

871
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: it um. They at a point made it that you

872
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: were not allowed to turn back a live lake trout.

873
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: It was a mandatory kill situation. No like like catch

874
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: and release became illegal. It might still be today. I

875
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: don't know. I had a friend. I don't want to

876
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: tell what his name is. I'll tell you. I don't

877
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: want to tell his last name because he was a lawbreaker.

878
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: His name was Mike Uh And Mike would always go

879
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: and fish there and he really liked he made like

880
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: smoke lake trout. He made lake trout sushi rolls. He

881
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: was big time into eating lake trout. He would turn

882
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: back the small ones and would be and wouldn't want

883
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 1: to hit it too hard. And he was very nervous

884
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 1: about what he called damaging the resource and just wasn't

885
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: buying the whole thing about He was like, I love

886
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 1: those fish. I hope they stay there forever. Yes, his

887
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: take on it. I mean in an area like that,

888
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 1: man though, like there's not many places in the world

889
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: that have yellow stone cutthroat um and there are a

890
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: lot of places in the world that have lake trout,

891
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: Like you gotta get them out of there, and no,

892
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: I know it's almost impossible, but like they've made some progress. Yeah,

893
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,479
Speaker 1: so Chester, you know your idea about how you're gonna

894
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: keep them and fatten them up. Yeah, I was saying,

895
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's legal or not. Well, Karan

896
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: um Uh just pointed out here that you would be

897
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: in violation of law. And and so if if you

898
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: know everybody has the joy cooking in their house, the cook,

899
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: the joy cook cooking. I have one that's so old.

900
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: There's information in it about how to fatten a possum. Really, yeah,

901
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: you've caught a possum and how to fatten it and

902
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: like m put it on a good diet for consumption.

903
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: That's not in there anything. It's not by now, it's

904
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: not in there. That's pretty awesome. They have that one.

905
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: So Chester has this idea like, Okay, a little dinky,

906
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: little dinker falls out of the tree. You're trying to

907
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: do the right thing by law, and you say to yourself, well,

908
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: I feel bad letting it back out because I'm supposed

909
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: to kill it. It's not big enough to eat. I'm

910
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 1: gonna warm them up, resuscitate them, pen him, and fatten him,

911
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: which is illegal. Turns out, so Florida has a list

912
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: of like stuff you can't have. It's Florida's prohibited species list,

913
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: and it has it had sixteen new and it had

914
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: recently added sixteen new high risk non native reptiles you're

915
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: not allowed to have in your possession. The Argentine black

916
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: and white tigoose. What the hell is that? I think

917
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: they're like monitor lizards. I think you're not allowed to

918
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: have a tigu. You look it up, Brodie. Yeah, you

919
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: can't have one of those in Florida. You can't have

920
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: a green iguana. You can't have a nile monitor lizard.

921
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: You cannot have a Burmese python, which is a big issue.

922
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 1: They got no shorte of them done. Yeah, they look

923
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: like a monitor lizard. They're pretty they're pretty big. You

924
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: cannot have a reticulated python. You cannot have a green anaconda.

925
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: H uh. I mean it makes sense, you know. They

926
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: that's how they kind of got there. Right of them

927
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: can survive in Florida. I was years ago in South

928
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: America and m and I was with a Makushi, a

929
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: guy who is Mkushi from the Mkuschi tribe, and we

930
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: were standing there looking at a green anaconda. It's probably

931
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, fourteen a teen feet long. This your

932
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: bullet anti Nope, no, different times he was telling me

933
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 1: I wanted to It was just sitting there. I mean

934
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: you could walk right up to it. And I was

935
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: asking about is it okay if we kind of like

936
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: jab it with a stick to see what it does, right,

937
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: And he was pointing out to me like their in

938
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 1: their mythology. He was saying, if I touched that antaconda

939
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 1: with the limb of my bow, it will die a

940
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: very painful death that takes about forty five minutes. But

941
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: you can touch it with another stick and that's fine.

942
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: But you can't touch it with a bowl limb just

943
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: to bow limb or is it? What was it like weapon?

944
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: He said, if I touch it with my bowl limb,

945
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: that will kill it very painful. Really, Yeah, there's like

946
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: a limit. I mean, it was just part of their mythology,

947
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: and there was like a limit to how much we

948
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 1: could communicate about it. But I gathered that much. Can't

949
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: touch him with a bow limb, can't touch a green

950
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: antaconda with a bow limb. You didn't try it, No,

951
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't say, like, I just I thought

952
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: that was a great little you know, a great little thing.

953
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,959
Speaker 1: Oh did you get one leg? Ste got one leg?

954
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: He's close to getting there leg the bobcat is nearly inverted.

955
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 1: Then it's gonna be exciting because it goes back onto

956
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: the board. However, here's another ethics question. This is that

957
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: this is This seems like an ethics question, but it

958
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: ends up being a practical question. This guy works for

959
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: a small town police department in the Greater Yellowstone ecosystem,

960
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: Regent and he he mentions that they are at the

961
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: time of this writing in an ongoing c w D

962
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: management hunt f w P. He's saying, the state Fish

963
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: and Game Agency is allowing antler bucks to be harvested

964
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:05,919
Speaker 1: on this hunt. A lot of this guy's bodies believe

965
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: the hunt should be since it's meant to lower the

966
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: population to slow the spread of c w D. He's like,

967
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: why is it that you can kill bucks? It seems

968
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: like you'd be killing does because if you want to

969
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: lower a deer population, the way to lower it is

970
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: killing does. Like Bucks doesn't like have a long Killing

971
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: Bucks doesn't have a long term impact on deer numbers.

972
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: Killing dose does because you kill her and you kill

973
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: every baby that she'll ever have. I would point out,

974
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: if this gentleman really wants to get into understanding this,

975
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: there's quite a bit of data that suggests that c

976
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,439
Speaker 1: w D is more readily transmitted by bucks. They move

977
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: around a bunch, They traveled to daim much. I think

978
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: there's a couple of reasons they're They're they want any

979
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: deer eliminated right and to convince people that hunt white

980
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: tails in February and Monte Hannah or January, you know,

981
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: sweet sweeten the deal. Yeah, we're letting you get a buck.

982
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: And then I remember some stuff with Doug looking at

983
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 1: the and you know, all the things like c w DS,

984
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: like COVID a little bit where the information changes so

985
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,720
Speaker 1: fast it's hard to keep hip to what, like what's

986
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: actually the current sort of academic consensus. But at the

987
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: time it was the young bucks dispersed more. They like

988
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: young bucks left their population dispersed farther distances were more

989
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 1: likely to be bringing c w D into introducing c

990
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 1: w D chronic waste and disease into new herd groups.

991
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: I read something recently about that, though, where in a

992
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: study where they studied a certain amount of you know,

993
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: let's say they study fifteen bucks and and twenty dos,

994
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: the does traveling you know, five miles and the bucks

995
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: were traveling like six miles on average, So it wasn't

996
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: a crazy difference between the two. But again, now I

997
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 1: was just saying that the like they've done studies. I

998
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: was reading a recent study where they took a set

999
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: number of deer and studied them how far they go

1000
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 1: and the distance between how far the dose traveled and

1001
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: the distance between how far the bucks traveled was not

1002
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: that um but that was just one article. So uh,

1003
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: you guys got you guys got the appetite for one more. Um,

1004
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 1: I guess two more etiquette, two more ethics etiquettes. People

1005
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: looking for feedback. Your dog kills a deer? What then?

1006
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: What then? My friend's dog killed a deer not too

1007
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: long ago. Well, this guy, this guy was asking, like,

1008
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, should he eat it? You to do whatever?

1009
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: I think he did the right thing, he said. He

1010
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: called the local authorities, the game warden, which is a

1011
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: good thing to do, and then from there, you know this,

1012
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: it said, the warden determined it did not have c

1013
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: w D, which is you can't really necessarily. Um so

1014
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure they're but like, well, because he okay,

1015
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: in this case, the warden did a little knee cropsy

1016
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: and saw that it had two busted legs. And that's

1017
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: why the dog is able to get ahold of it.

1018
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: And that's why it looks like what are the Yeah,

1019
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: that's why it looks sickly, likes like what are the

1020
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: odds that had c w D and then broke two

1021
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,439
Speaker 1: legs from a car hitting it. But what this guy

1022
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: seems to be trying to do is is like say,

1023
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: what his dog did is not like there's not a

1024
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: problem with it, Like that's what it seems to be

1025
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: getting at. Well. I mean, you don't want your dogs

1026
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: obviously killing deer, but when in a blue moon, you

1027
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: just never know what's gonna happen. So I think calling

1028
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: the warden, and then if this deer had two broken legs,

1029
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: he's also asking what should I do with the meat?

1030
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: I would say, if the warden lets you take it

1031
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: and eat it, eat it, But if it's got two

1032
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: broken legs, you might want to check for infection and

1033
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: stuff first as well. Um, you know, yeah, I would say.

1034
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: So it is an interesting conundrant because a lot of

1035
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: times in public land you're supposed to have your dog

1036
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: under control. So if you're on public land somewhere and

1037
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: your dog kills a deer, you might, I mean, you

1038
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: might find whether you self report or someone else reports

1039
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: you you're asked, might be in trouble with the state.

1040
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: There are places where if you're out hunting deer and

1041
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,439
Speaker 1: you see a dog chasing deer, you can shoot the dog.

1042
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, there's definitely places like that. Yeah, it's

1043
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: pretty easy to train your dog to not mess with deer.

1044
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: You know, I've had a couple of bird dogs, and

1045
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: you can train and him just not pay attention to

1046
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: those deer. When our dog chases a deer, it comes

1047
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: back knowing it's in trouble, like it can't help itself.

1048
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: It's like it's like I know I did like I

1049
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: did it, I know I shouldn't have done it. And

1050
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: they come back like they know they're going to get

1051
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: in trouble, but they just couldn't help themselves. So I

1052
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: think a proper etiquette is just train your dog not

1053
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: mess with deer. But if it does, I think that, yeah,

1054
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: you know the salvage dude, call your call your game warden.

1055
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: That's probably the first step if you're deal with any

1056
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: of that stuff. Here's another one. This guy is righting in. Uh.

1057
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: This guy lives in the state Virginia. Were you allowed

1058
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: to hunt turkeys with a rifle? And he says, I

1059
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: believe rifles should be outlawed like it is in Maryland

1060
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: in most states. You can't quite say most dates. There's

1061
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: a lot of states. Three you can kill turkey with

1062
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 1: a rifle in the fall. He's got friends that killed

1063
00:59:55,520 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: turkey's at two yards with Varmitt rifle setups. What do

1064
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: you think about that? I just don't where's the fun.

1065
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: I just want to say this, I'm not talking about

1066
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: laws and not laws and all that. Spring turkeys is

1067
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: meant to be something you do with a shotgun. There's

1068
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: there's a purpose to it, the calling, the getting them

1069
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: to come in. And we used to bush whag turkeys

1070
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: in the spring. I don't think there's any reason to

1071
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: shoot a turkey with a rifle in the spring. One thing,

1072
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: it's like it's dangerous, using camel out in the woods,

1073
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: making turkey noises, sitting against trees, trying to sit close,

1074
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,959
Speaker 1: trying to be close to turkeys. When I was very young,

1075
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: you could hunt. I'm pretty sure you could hunt turkeys

1076
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 1: with a rifle in Pennsylvania in the spring. Really, I

1077
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: know you can changed it. Yeah, well, especially with decoys

1078
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: getting better and better every year, you know, dude. Yeah,

1079
01:00:53,480 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: Like I look at my own decoy. It's about going

1080
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: and the fall. It finds out hunting deer and had

1081
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: turkey tag in my pocket. I probably, Yeah, I think

1082
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: it's different and what's interesting people people don't understand here

1083
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: is that in a lot of in states where you

1084
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 1: are allowed to kill turkeys in the fall with the rifle,

1085
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: you're often allowed to kill females. But they're also not

1086
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: I mean, they're spending time out in those open areas

1087
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: in the fall. But I feel like spring gets predictable.

1088
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: You know, those birds are gonna be out on strut

1089
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: zones and be out and open. So that's like another

1090
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: thing that's just makes it easier picking and the spring

1091
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: you shoot him, And why I don't, I don't personally

1092
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: like that. Or I just think if you're like sitting

1093
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: there in your truck and there's a turkey hunter fifty

1094
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: yards way out in the field, and you decided to

1095
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 1: take a couple of rips at it with your fifty

1096
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't. It feels very dangerous to me

1097
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: because you don't know if there's some camel up dude

1098
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: and his kids sitting back there. Yep, yep, yep, yep.

1099
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: It just takes the fun right out of that spring

1100
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: turkey hunting too. Well. I hear the story one time,

1101
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 1: and I believe the story. I heard that, and so

1102
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: it was a time when Florida. You were allowed to

1103
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: hunt turkeys in the spring with a rifle, okay, And

1104
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: a lot of turkey hunters felt that it just was

1105
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: not a good idea. You got flat country okay, get

1106
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 1: people out in camel with decoys, like it's like a

1107
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: safety issue. And they even went to they took the

1108
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: time to go to the gun community and be like,

1109
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 1: this is not like, this is a safety turkey issue.

1110
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: Let's not make this like a gun gun right issue.

1111
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: This is a safety turkey issue. And it got turned

1112
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: into a like gun right, gun got turned into a

1113
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: gun rights issue when they were I remember someone telling me,

1114
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 1: who was on the side of not being able to

1115
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: rifle hunt turkeys, that they always felt a little bit

1116
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: disappointed that they couldn't get it framed. Outside of that

1117
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: the disc rushing about it, you know, it was more

1118
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 1: like I don't want to get shot. Yeah, there was

1119
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 1: a centerfire rifle. There was that one video that viral

1120
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago with that the two there

1121
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: was two young guys turkey hunting and they were filming

1122
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: it and I think they were working a bird on

1123
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: the edge of a big opening and in the footage

1124
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: you too see like the all the dirt get kicked up.

1125
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 1: Someone shot with like a two forty three there decoy

1126
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:27,479
Speaker 1: and they were on the opposite end and it blew

1127
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 1: into the tree next to him and bark went flying

1128
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: and everything, and they immediately jumped up. It was a

1129
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, but it went viral, but I'm

1130
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: sure you can find it on YouTube. But it was

1131
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: guys shooting at a decoy a centerfire rifle, and they

1132
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: were If he would have been a foot or even

1133
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 1: six inches offset, he would have hit one of those

1134
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 1: guys and killed them. So yeah, I've seen videos like

1135
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: that guy shooting a goose decoy, Sean, you might have

1136
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: seen something like that, but shooting a shooting goose decoys

1137
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: of centerfire rifles just like you know, totally illegally, Yeah, totally.

1138
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: There's nowhere you're allowed to do that. Well, New Zealand

1139
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: you can do that. I killed Uh, I killed a

1140
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: Canada goose in New Zealand with a seven millimeter m meg. Yeah,

1141
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: they're kind of like a that's a good shot, wonderful shot.

1142
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 1: All right, brought you ready for your book report? Oh,

1143
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: how's a bobcat that's ready to be bordered? I wish

1144
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: we had our fur home with us. Man. Snap it,

1145
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: You've got more room over there. Snap it real hard,

1146
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: set all the fur. Snapp it hard. A couple of times.

1147
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: Are you ready for your book? Your part, Brody? Yeah,

1148
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 1: my article report. Um. So, there's been a push to

1149
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: dlist grizzlies from the Endangered Species List from both Montana

1150
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: Governor Gene Forte and Wyoming Governor Mark Gordon. So to

1151
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 1: give some background, Uh, grizzly bears were put on the

1152
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: e S A in I think something like that. There's

1153
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: like a hundred and fifty of them left threatened, not

1154
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: not in danger. Yeah, there's about a hundred fifty of

1155
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: them left in the seventies, hundred thirty six. And the

1156
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 1: g y E the thing that Steve hates saying, Oh,

1157
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm somewhat okay with that. You're okay

1158
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: with a greater Yellowstone ecosystem? Okay, a little bit okay. Anyway, Uh,

1159
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 1: fast forward to current times, and the estimates vary, right,

1160
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: like minimum is seven hundred. A new population study model

1161
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: that Wyoming used places them over a thousand. But either way,

1162
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 1: the recovery goal was I believe five hundred bears in

1163
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 1: the Greater Yellowstone ecosystem, which was met you know, twenty

1164
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:54,439
Speaker 1: years ago or so. Um, so there's there's been these

1165
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 1: off and on pushes to get them off the list.

1166
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 1: Wyoming Governor Mark Gordon is petitioning the US Fish and

1167
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 1: Wildlife Service to get him removed again. I said, the

1168
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 1: same things going on in here in Montana, and uh,

1169
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's this back and forth fight that never

1170
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: seems to end. It doesn't. Yeah, it's just NonStop. And uh.

1171
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: I was interviewed for an article for Fox News Digital.

1172
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 1: Um and and uh, apparently they think I'm a grizzly

1173
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: bear expert. They also interviewed, uh, Wyoming governor's Wyoming Governor

1174
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 1: Gordon was quoted pretty heavily in the article. Um and

1175
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: they quoted what is her name, Andreas A Cardi from

1176
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: a Center for Biological Diversity. They always have names like that,

1177
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: you know that that makes them sound like there's something

1178
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 1: other than what they are, which is like, you know,

1179
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 1: animal rights, anti hunting group. Um. The most interesting thing

1180
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 1: I think she said, She's said a couple of things

1181
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: that are interesting. There's no science to back the claim

1182
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: that grizzlies no longer need protection, meaning they I don't

1183
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 1: understand what that means. I don't know, but I mean

1184
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 1: there's plenty of science because their way past the stated

1185
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 1: recovery goals. Um. And that's such a such a subjective

1186
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 1: statement too, because to her, grizzlies will always need protection

1187
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 1: no matter what, everywhere. And uh. She also says, of course, Um,

1188
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: this outrageous request from my Wyoming's governor is the latest

1189
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 1: attack on animals like grizzly, embarrassed by states that see

1190
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: them as little more than targets for trophy hunters. Um, pushpins.

1191
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 1: Do you know? It was just like absolutely untrue. Um.

1192
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: Here's here We've covered to so many times. I ever

1193
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 1: wrote an op end the New York Times about this

1194
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: the last time they were trying to do it. The

1195
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: last thing the states are gonna do. That's what they

1196
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 1: the state Why Montana are not going to lobby their

1197
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 1: asses off for decades to get state management of grizzlies

1198
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 1: back in order to then really quickly kill them all

1199
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 1: and get them back driven back onto the endangered speed.

1200
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 1: The whole point is trying to get them recovered and

1201
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 1: off the list, right and then like they're just like

1202
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 1: they're like rubbing their hands, like who the minute I

1203
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 1: can get them off the list, I'm gonna put them

1204
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 1: back on the list again. Yeah, and let's say ridiculous

1205
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 1: Wyoming or mon Montana. Let's let's say they get taken

1206
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 1: off the list and and a hunting season gets approved.

1207
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: The number they're gonna be so careful with a number

1208
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: of tags that they issue for these bears. That's it's

1209
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 1: going to have absolutely zero impact on the Like, do

1210
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: you know how many tags the last go around? You

1211
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 1: know how many tags Idaho is going to issue one

1212
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:55,679
Speaker 1: Wyoming I think was a total of low twenties. Maybe

1213
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 1: in Montana, I thought at the time. And I don't know,

1214
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: there's a different administration now, so I think we'd have

1215
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:02,640
Speaker 1: a different approach. I thought it was a little bit

1216
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:06,759
Speaker 1: chicken ship. Yeah, And and you know, in a decision

1217
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 1: there was coming from people who I admire, just like

1218
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: an area where I disagreed with them is they were

1219
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 1: going to sit it out, obviously sitting it out because

1220
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 1: they didn't want to wade into the they didn't want

1221
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 1: to wade into the social Yeah. I respected Wyoming fishing

1222
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 1: game for how they just I mean, they knew it

1223
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: was gonna they were gonna take a lot of flak

1224
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 1: and heat for everything, and I think they did a

1225
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:33,799
Speaker 1: great job and how they handled it, and that bummed

1226
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 1: me out. That f WP kind of I don't know

1227
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 1: but that But basically the gist of the article here is,

1228
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 1: and we've said this before, the point of the endangered

1229
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: species list is not to keep them on the list

1230
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: forever it stood, recover them, get them off the list,

1231
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 1: turnover management to the states. And these groups like this

1232
01:09:55,800 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 1: just used lawsuits to like postpone thing and delay things

1233
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,759
Speaker 1: and keep them on the list, you know, potentially forever.

1234
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 1: So that's where we're at. Montana and Wyoming are trying

1235
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: to In Montana, it's the the Northern Continental Divide population

1236
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:16,759
Speaker 1: that they're trying to get delisted. What winds up happening

1237
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 1: with this, I mean, like I said, we've we've covered

1238
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: the dickens out of this. Winds up happening UM around

1239
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 1: grizzly delisting, around wolf delisting is you have two situations

1240
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:34,839
Speaker 1: where we had species that were legitimately imperiled, like wolves

1241
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 1: are legitimately imperilled at a time, UM, grizzlies were legitimately

1242
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:43,440
Speaker 1: imperiled and they needed at that they that needed protections

1243
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 1: and they put protections in place, and you in in

1244
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 1: the different you know, stakeholders and has come together and

1245
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:52,639
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, what does recovery look like? Right? And

1246
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:54,719
Speaker 1: people agree on like, well, if we had this many

1247
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:57,639
Speaker 1: of this, that many of that living in this many places,

1248
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 1: we would accept that that was like recovery at which

1249
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: will move on to the next problem. Um. What happens

1250
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 1: is people really kind of like get used to there

1251
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 1: being no hunting for these animals, and later when recovery

1252
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 1: objectives are met and hunting might be resumed, people just

1253
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 1: they get where they just cannot accept that. And so

1254
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 1: the way these things get held up in court, no

1255
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 1: one comes and argues that there aren't like no one's

1256
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,639
Speaker 1: gonna argue in courts that there aren't enough of them.

1257
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 1: They're gonna argue in court weird little you know, like

1258
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:39,639
Speaker 1: technical issues be like oh you did uh, you did uh,

1259
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:44,520
Speaker 1: you did a study, but did you consider the potential

1260
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:50,839
Speaker 1: impacts of white bark pine blister rust and if anything,

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01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: always didn't fully consider the impacts blister rust. So then

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01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: a judge and it's always that it's always a judge

1263
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:58,879
Speaker 1: of Missoula because that always winds up in that district

1264
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:01,719
Speaker 1: and a judgement rule and throw all the whole thing. Yeah,

1265
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 1: based on a technicality and why they're not they're never

1266
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 1: arguing the main point. Yeah. And another thing that kind

1267
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 1: of never comes up is that there's like, like take

1268
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 1: the Greater Yellowstone ecosystem, Like you can't have bears every

1269
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 1: grizzlies everywhere. There's only so many places that can support them.

1270
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 1: And so in the g y E there's like a

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01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: finite number of grizzlies that that place can support. And

1272
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 1: then they start moving out into like the urban uh

1273
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 1: wild interface like around here in Bozeman, and they get

1274
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: in trouble and then they get shot for getting in

1275
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 1: a dumpster. Um. There's like a carrying capacity there, And

1276
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 1: you can't have bears running around in Golden Gate Park.

1277
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 1: You say, grizzlies. I wish they were everywhere, Sure, but

1278
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 1: I have a high tolerance. It's just not possible, but

1279
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 1: I do. Yeah. The other part of this that gets

1280
01:12:56,600 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 1: really technical is is people instead of saying like, like,

1281
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 1: if you're gonna what is the entirety of grizzly bear range,

1282
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 1: the entirety of grizzly bear ranges um basically the Hunter

1283
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 1: Meridian and westward like everything. If you're if you're like

1284
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 1: west of the Big Bend in the Missouri Um, you're

1285
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 1: in grizzly bear habitat. So people are like, it's not

1286
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 1: really plausible that we're going to cover bears across the

1287
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: entirety of the American West. So let's pick adequate areas

1288
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,600
Speaker 1: where they could feasibly be, and then when one of

1289
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 1: those areas is full, you delist the area. And people

1290
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 1: are always using they're always attacking that logic, Well, we

1291
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 1: can't recover them everywhere. But you know, I always point

1292
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 1: out elk are only recovered across what of their native range?

1293
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:46,839
Speaker 1: How come no one says that about elk elkrt recovered

1294
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:50,720
Speaker 1: in Illinois, but you can hunt them in Utah? Yep?

1295
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 1: Why would someone not say, we haven't recovered elk across

1296
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:55,600
Speaker 1: the entirety of their range. You shouldn't be allowed to

1297
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 1: hunt out. Yeah, they should be an endangered species in

1298
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 1: Illinois by their logic. Yeah, it should be that no

1299
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 1: one in Utah should be able to hunt an elk

1300
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 1: because Illinois doesn't have them yet they need to hire

1301
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:11,639
Speaker 1: us to do these arguments. I like that the Broidy

1302
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 1: gets some you're such a that from doing these book

1303
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 1: reports and stuff that you get to go on the

1304
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 1: news and talk about it. Yeah, man, it was fun.

1305
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 1: But you know what bugs me is that they never

1306
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:27,679
Speaker 1: interviewed a damn biologist for these articles, like a from

1307
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 1: the US Fish and Wildlife Service or from a state

1308
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 1: game agency. Do you point that out to him? I did.

1309
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:34,679
Speaker 1: He said he should talk to some of those people.

1310
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:38,320
Speaker 1: Did you say, like, you shouldn't talk to me, you

1311
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 1: should talk to them. I said, I am not a

1312
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 1: grizzly bear expert. I have an opinion you should talk

1313
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 1: to a grizzly bear expert. Yeah. You know what it

1314
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:48,720
Speaker 1: might be is that they're not going to get a

1315
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 1: fiery They're not going to get a fiery opinion of either,

1316
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 1: like a like a grizzly bear expert isn't gonna give

1317
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,679
Speaker 1: a fiery opinion because they only need to be careful

1318
01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 1: what they say. They had to get a raging hot

1319
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 1: like Brodie Henderson. Yeah, Brody smoke coming out of his

1320
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:08,639
Speaker 1: years all the time. Alright, Sean, you ready you bet

1321
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 1: Shawn's duck report. Yeah, you have an assignment. You gotta.

1322
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 1: We gave you an assignment, right, Yeah, you did last

1323
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 1: last time we did a duck report, you had brought

1324
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 1: up that you wanted uh age demographics to be discussed. Yeah,

1325
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 1: like what's the old asked duck. Mm hmm. And you

1326
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 1: had referenced a sand hill crane you'd shot when you

1327
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 1: were in Texas that you said you believed was seventeen

1328
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 1: years old. And to be fair, I called Dr Chris

1329
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 1: Nikolai from Delta Waterfowl about this because age demographics gets

1330
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:49,640
Speaker 1: pretty complex, um, and there's a lot to it, but

1331
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 1: for starters, um. He told me to go look at

1332
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 1: the U. S g S website that they have a

1333
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 1: They have a cool called the Longevity Records of North

1334
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 1: American Birds and this tool allows you to look up

1335
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 1: all the all the band reporting and the age of

1336
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 1: those birds that are reported. And it's not just waterfowl,

1337
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 1: it's kind of everything. It's got snow buntings and sparrows,

1338
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:25,519
Speaker 1: you name it, pretty much anything they can report, um

1339
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 1: on how old some of these birds live. It's on there.

1340
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 1: For example, I did look up a snow bunting, which,

1341
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 1: by the way, the oldest one reported was eight years

1342
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 1: and nine months old. Um. Anyway, I also went ahead

1343
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 1: and looked up sandhill crane. Since you had referenced shooting

1344
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 1: one seventeen years old, the oldest sandhill crane was thirty

1345
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:56,639
Speaker 1: seven years and three months old, And which is so old?

1346
01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 1: And it was banding older than Seth? Yeah, not way older,

1347
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:04,719
Speaker 1: but I would have been in first grade. How Seth

1348
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 1: was born? How old can parrots live? I'm just thinking

1349
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 1: about birds in general, Yeah, because they're like I remember

1350
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 1: how I had a girlfriend whose mom had a great

1351
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 1: parrot and she had to have a will about what

1352
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: was going to happen to the parrot after she died.

1353
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 1: But that's living in a cage. Yeah, that's true. Because

1354
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: what happened to this and tell everybody what happened to

1355
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 1: this crane? Man, what happened to this crane is sad.

1356
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 1: So it's banded in Florida in nine two. And what

1357
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 1: finally got it was it got hit by a car

1358
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin coming home from the bar. Coming home to

1359
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:43,479
Speaker 1: the bar, hop up on cheese kurds, double bubble. No,

1360
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 1: everyone talks about hitting deer in Wisconsin, and nobody talks

1361
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 1: about hitting sandhill cranes. Thirties seven years old, super old.

1362
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 1: So then I went ahead and looked up. I went

1363
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:59,719
Speaker 1: real down the rabbit hole looking up pretty much every

1364
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 1: speed sees I could looked up, like blue geese and

1365
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 1: snow geese. Which oldest blue goose was thirty years old

1366
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 1: and eight months oldest mallard was twenty seven years and

1367
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 1: seven months. Is this is that off banding data too?

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01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 1: M hmm yep. So these are all and Chris Nikolai

1369
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 1: did bring this up as well. All these are based

1370
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 1: on either found dead or hunter harvest shot and removed bands.

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01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 1: These are not recapture data. So Nikolai has had birds

1372
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:41,519
Speaker 1: where they catch them in rocket nets, you know, thirty

1373
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 1: thirty five years later and they're they're putting third or

1374
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:49,639
Speaker 1: fourth set of bands on birds that are still alive. Yeah,

1375
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:51,599
Speaker 1: like all these birds that were looking at all these

1376
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 1: ages like this mallard it's twenty almost twenty eight years,

1377
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 1: it was lesser snow it's twenty seven and a half years.

1378
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 1: These are things that, um, they didn't die of old

1379
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 1: age mm hmm. Yeah, these these ones died of getting shot.

1380
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 1: So they're teal that got banded in Saskatchewan got shot

1381
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 1: in Cuba. Yeah, twenty three years later. That's crazy. It's

1382
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 1: pretty cool by like Castro because that sounds like an

1383
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: a real life story. It's amazing because you look at

1384
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 1: it like you see a deer in a duck, and

1385
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 1: you have so much more empathy for a deer at lesa,

1386
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:35,559
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's got eyelashes and everything.

1387
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 1: They're like, you could fit seven deer lives inside of

1388
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:45,599
Speaker 1: a duck. Yeah, it's crazy. You don't look you when

1389
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 1: you see a duck on a pond. You don't think like, oh,

1390
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 1: there's something that's twenty five years old. No, definitely not.

1391
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 1: It was wild turkeys a long time. Oh yeah, wild

1392
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 1: turkeys like dude, I'm lucky to get become too well.

1393
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:03,759
Speaker 1: To be fair, though, where these numbers are these ages

1394
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 1: really become wild is when you start calculating what the

1395
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 1: average age of waterfowl is like, when you get down

1396
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 1: to what's actually probably gonna happening actual. So the numbers

1397
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 1: that Dr Nikolai had given me to work with our

1398
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:28,480
Speaker 1: survival rate year over year on Drake Mallard's and sixties

1399
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 1: six on hen Mallards, those are not exact numbers, but

1400
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 1: they're close and they flesh out the thought experiment here. Um.

1401
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:41,679
Speaker 1: I'll also come back to the why there's a difference

1402
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 1: between drake and hen survival rate. But if so, if

1403
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 1: you start with a hundred of each, you know, year one,

1404
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 1: you get down to seventy drakes and sixty hens. By

1405
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:56,679
Speaker 1: year two, year at forty nine drakes and thirty six hens.

1406
01:20:56,800 --> 01:21:00,680
Speaker 1: So now you're below fifty how alf or dead. So

1407
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 1: there's your average age um. Your average age for a

1408
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 1: duck is two years for a drake mallard and not

1409
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 1: even two years for a hen mallard. So it makes

1410
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 1: a seven year old mallard that much more impressive. The

1411
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 1: hens live shorter because they just are they getting so

1412
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:21,600
Speaker 1: beat up from you know. Yeah, that's what I was

1413
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:24,599
Speaker 1: wanderings why hens? I was thinking maybe because of they're

1414
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 1: sitting on nests and getting eaten while they're on nests. Yep,

1415
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:34,640
Speaker 1: that's the average then, Yeah, the average age man is

1416
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 1: twenty seven years. Imagined the attrition rate of friends. You

1417
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 1: go through a lot of friends, and that if you're

1418
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 1: that mallard that made it to twenty seven years, how

1419
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:46,680
Speaker 1: many friends have coming gone? Yeah? How is it that?

1420
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:50,679
Speaker 1: Like you remember in Sand County Almanac, Uh, in Sand

1421
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 1: County Almanac when he's doing the stuff with the chicken,

1422
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 1: eas like he's like catching a chicken ee Elder Leopold.

1423
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 1: This isn't the twenties. He's like catching chicken's. He made

1424
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:02,800
Speaker 1: up a little chickenie trap and he's like putting a

1425
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 1: band on chicken eas and you know they all just die.

1426
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:11,600
Speaker 1: But this one that just never makes a mistake and

1427
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 1: he gets a year after year after year after year

1428
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,679
Speaker 1: at the same bird feeder. I don't remember that part

1429
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 1: of that, but everyone else just gets dusted like he doesn't.

1430
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 1: He's like very special. I wonder what the O dometer

1431
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 1: would be on a seven year old Mallard the miles

1432
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 1: he's put on, Sean, that's a good one for your

1433
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 1: book report, dude, Okay, I'll start. You know, there's uh

1434
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 1: some real cool GPS work being done by a group

1435
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 1: called Osborne Labs. I'll see what the highest sodometer they've

1436
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 1: got on a GPS tracker is right now, Yeah, that'd

1437
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 1: be really cool. So where that survival rate gets even

1438
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:59,760
Speaker 1: more nuanced, right, is that that's based on pretty much

1439
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 1: a going from year one to year two and then

1440
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 1: year two to year three, so to speak. That's not

1441
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:10,639
Speaker 1: counting when they're in the egg or even once they've hatched.

1442
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:14,720
Speaker 1: And are going through, you know, the whole process of

1443
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 1: growing up to be old enough to fly. So Chris

1444
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 1: gave me some even more staggering numbers that make you

1445
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 1: wonder how we even have any ducks to hunt to

1446
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:27,639
Speaker 1: begin with, Like, how there's any around at all. Yeah,

1447
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 1: it's amazing that there's even ducks. So right now, a

1448
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:37,840
Speaker 1: good nest success is point one five or fIF so

1449
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:41,759
Speaker 1: fifteen eggs even ever hatch out of a hundred eggs

1450
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 1: laid then from then from not catching enough raccoons. Oh yeah,

1451
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 1: so that's that's the real end of the story here. Um,

1452
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 1: So if fifteen eggs hatch, half of those will die

1453
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 1: before they ever get too old enough to fly. But

1454
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:05,680
Speaker 1: she brings you down to you know, seven and a

1455
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 1: half ducks eggs that hit the ground m hmm, and

1456
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:15,680
Speaker 1: then won't make it through that first fall roughly, so

1457
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 1: you get too about after that first fall, you got

1458
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 1: about three ducks out of a hundred eggs, and then

1459
01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:26,759
Speaker 1: some duck went on and lived in twenty five years.

1460
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:33,360
Speaker 1: So I'll circle back to the hen and drakes survival

1461
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:37,280
Speaker 1: rate thing, and we already kind of touched on it.

1462
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 1: But the reason that hens have a lower survival rate

1463
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:48,640
Speaker 1: than drake's. Especially right now is nest predation. If drake's,

1464
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 1: you know, drake's don't have to go sit in grassland,

1465
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 1: they don't have to risk um, risk getting jumped on

1466
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 1: on a nest. He can hang out out in the

1467
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:03,600
Speaker 1: middle of some big lake. Mm hmm exactly. And what

1468
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 1: that's led to the last thirty or forty years, they've

1469
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 1: really noticed it since the late nineteen eighties is we've

1470
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 1: seen a population wide change in the sex ratio. We

1471
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 1: have more drakes than hens, and not by just a

1472
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 1: little bit. Um. In the late nineteen eighties, pintails were

1473
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 1: about one point to drakes for every hen, and now

1474
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 1: they're at four and a half drakes to every hen.

1475
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:39,880
Speaker 1: So we're at a hen shortage and a drake surplus

1476
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 1: by a lot. And that's been going over how long, Uh, well,

1477
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:47,639
Speaker 1: it's it's going up every year. But it's been really

1478
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:52,880
Speaker 1: noticeable Incline since the late nineteen eighties. They do they

1479
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 1: relate that to low fur prices. Delta waterfowl definitely points

1480
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 1: to miso predators because there's a there's a Turkey biologist

1481
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 1: that we had on the show one time, um that

1482
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 1: you know, he felt that was a very interesting argument,

1483
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 1: is looking at for prices relative to predation of birds.

1484
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:19,640
Speaker 1: That's kind of when you got out of the professional

1485
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 1: trapping game when in the late eighties, I set my

1486
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:28,759
Speaker 1: last trap for seth No. I set my last trap

1487
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:35,720
Speaker 1: for commercial purposes in nine but it was dismal by then.

1488
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 1: Ten years earlier it had been really something, but I

1489
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 1: was only ten years old. Another thing Chris had brought

1490
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:48,679
Speaker 1: up there like North Dakota hadn't even described raccoons living

1491
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 1: there until the nineteen fifties and now they're everywhere. So

1492
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:57,640
Speaker 1: it's interesting. Uh, well, we'll talk more on that in

1493
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 1: another Duck report because there is so much interesting information

1494
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:06,479
Speaker 1: about the sex ratio and predation on nests and all that.

1495
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 1: But the age disparities are are wild. How you can

1496
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:14,720
Speaker 1: have a thirty year old or thirty three year old

1497
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:18,840
Speaker 1: Canada goose, but then you know a lot of them

1498
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:21,840
Speaker 1: never even make it out of the nest. And Barry

1499
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:26,720
Speaker 1: Lopez's book Arctic Dreams, he's with a pilot and they're

1500
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:28,680
Speaker 1: doing some polar bear work and they're talking about how

1501
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:30,800
Speaker 1: old polar bear can get and didn't get pretty old,

1502
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 1: and he mentions how the biologist says to him, if

1503
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:38,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't make any mistakes, you know, which is just

1504
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 1: not something you'd like that, you know what I mean,

1505
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 1: It's just not something you think about. If it doesn't

1506
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 1: make any mistakes, it never messes up. It's never like, hey,

1507
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 1: that looks like a real duck even though it's not moving.

1508
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 1: It seems Sean, I have a question for you through

1509
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:58,720
Speaker 1: that research did that? Is there anything about that like

1510
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 1: snowball ing or turning in and eat, like that separation

1511
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 1: of how many hens to drake's because of the drake's, Like,

1512
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 1: since the drakes are so rough on hands usually when

1513
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:14,759
Speaker 1: they're mating, like with that many drake's to low hand ratio,

1514
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 1: couldn't actually start killing more hens and lower that and

1515
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:20,879
Speaker 1: that separation, that gap is gonna widen. Is there anything

1516
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:24,599
Speaker 1: research you know? I don't know. I don't think there's

1517
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 1: any talk about I don't think Drake's. I mean, I

1518
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 1: guess I can't speak for biologists, but I don't think

1519
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:33,200
Speaker 1: they kill enough hens to have a Okay, you don't

1520
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:38,839
Speaker 1: think it's like a right now, It's definitely a definitely

1521
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:43,320
Speaker 1: a habitat and predation story. You know, when you buy

1522
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:48,760
Speaker 1: a dozen or six pack of decoys. It's like mostly Drake's.

1523
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:53,400
Speaker 1: It turns out that's actually accurate. I wonder if that

1524
01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 1: by I thought you feel like you're getting more value

1525
01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 1: or just a contrast thing easy for the duck to

1526
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:03,639
Speaker 1: see the Drake's. I don't know. I don't know either. Oh,

1527
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 1: they're probably just doing it because we like looking at

1528
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 1: the pretty decoys. Right, So you're good on at Sean, Yeah, no,

1529
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:15,479
Speaker 1: that's what's the next report? What are you working on? Well,

1530
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 1: I think we'll dive more into the predator story. Oh

1531
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:25,760
Speaker 1: some of the people start thinking ran I predator, which

1532
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 1: I'm not. But you're gonna get into that little bit

1533
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:33,960
Speaker 1: predation mm hmm yep, definitely. I'm ready for you. Man.

1534
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:37,680
Speaker 1: What Stu I'm gonna slowly transition is into talking to you.

1535
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:39,719
Speaker 1: You want to see how I'm gonna do it. Can't

1536
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:44,360
Speaker 1: wait check this one out. Uh. We were talking on

1537
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 1: previous episodes about mistaken song lyrics. When you all your

1538
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 1: life you think they're saying one thing, you realize of

1539
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 1: saying something else. Um, there's a song and you heard

1540
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:59,160
Speaker 1: this damn song Loggins and Messina, who's that? Kenny Loggins

1541
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:01,720
Speaker 1: and oh they Andy Loggins. You said I looked like

1542
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:03,840
Speaker 1: him one time. Well, you know when your hair was long.

1543
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:08,880
Speaker 1: Oh so the Loggins and Messina's Kenny Loggins. What a

1544
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 1: weird groove. He had gone for a while of doing

1545
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:17,760
Speaker 1: movies movie the main songs, and movies foot loose, what's

1546
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 1: the one with the pilots Top Gun? So they got

1547
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 1: a song called Danny Song and in the song they

1548
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:28,040
Speaker 1: say Pisces that they get into astronomy. Pisces virgo rising

1549
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:32,800
Speaker 1: is a very good sign. This guy thought he was

1550
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:36,639
Speaker 1: saying the price of fur is rising. It's a very

1551
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 1: good sign. I like when this dude wrote in he

1552
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 1: signed off with negative tempts here in West Michigan making nice. Okay,

1553
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:51,280
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a new, big old thing about where

1554
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 1: trappers and predator hunters are having a versus hound hunters

1555
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:56,720
Speaker 1: in Virginia. We're gonna put that on hold. That's very

1556
01:30:56,720 --> 01:31:00,400
Speaker 1: interesting to me though, in fighting hunter, in fighting and

1557
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:05,960
Speaker 1: unlikely enemies. We're gonna cover this very soon, how trappers

1558
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:10,639
Speaker 1: and predator hunters are and and hound hunters are all

1559
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:19,000
Speaker 1: at each other's throats. Mhmm, cannibalism. I don't see it.

1560
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:27,760
Speaker 1: I hound hunt and I trapped, Stu hates himself. It's

1561
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 1: a rich field of inquiry. We're gonna cover it, but

1562
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 1: I want to do a real quick one. Colorado, who

1563
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:35,720
Speaker 1: seems like every other day as bannings trying to ban something. Uh,

1564
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:39,599
Speaker 1: this time they were trying their eighteenth time to ban lying.

1565
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:42,639
Speaker 1: It's so funny. They always throw in links. That's the thing, man.

1566
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 1: They are like, didn't Arizona include jaguar When they tried that,

1567
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:49,040
Speaker 1: they always got a sneak in an animal that you

1568
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:51,760
Speaker 1: can't hunt anyway, because people because they're standing out in

1569
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 1: front of the whole foods getting signatures for these things, right,

1570
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:57,040
Speaker 1: and so like here comes someone lady hasn't seen a

1571
01:31:57,080 --> 01:32:01,200
Speaker 1: wild animal three years. Uh, comes the long and they're like,

1572
01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:04,400
Speaker 1: were you sign our petition? Right? And they want to

1573
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:07,840
Speaker 1: sweeten the pot. So they're like in band links, honey,

1574
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:11,640
Speaker 1: because he's like, Jesus, I can't. They're killing links, like

1575
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 1: you can't kill links in Colorado, but they're gonna ban it. Yep,

1576
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:19,400
Speaker 1: lest I don't know. Yeah in Arizona, like and no

1577
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:23,840
Speaker 1: killing jaguars by the way, Yeah, you can't kill jaguars,

1578
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:26,360
Speaker 1: but they like the because yeah, I think it is

1579
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:29,759
Speaker 1: adds like it sweetens the pot. You know. The great

1580
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:32,799
Speaker 1: thing about this one is it didn't get dragged out

1581
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:35,200
Speaker 1: over a long period of time, but like came up

1582
01:32:35,439 --> 01:32:40,479
Speaker 1: and whamo got rejected right away. It's great. Crim was

1583
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:43,280
Speaker 1: pointing out that a guy named Vinny from New Jersey

1584
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:45,360
Speaker 1: road in, which makes that the second Vinny to ever

1585
01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:47,640
Speaker 1: have anything to do with this podcast. So at this

1586
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:51,479
Speaker 1: point we had two Vinny's, both New Jersey mentioned on

1587
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:54,640
Speaker 1: this show, and not a cat lady from New Jersey.

1588
01:32:55,160 --> 01:32:59,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, that builds over, it'll come up again. Yeah,

1589
01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 1: I just like, here's the thing, man, here's the thing.

1590
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:06,960
Speaker 1: This is all I want in the world. I want

1591
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 1: there to be a I want the environment to be

1592
01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:18,040
Speaker 1: extremely clean, clean air, clean water, healthy wildlife. I don't

1593
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:19,760
Speaker 1: want to I want to leave as much of it

1594
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:22,720
Speaker 1: as pristine as humanly possible, even to the point where

1595
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:25,600
Speaker 1: we have to make sacrifices. I want the earth to

1596
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:27,719
Speaker 1: be the let's just keep in the country. I want

1597
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:32,920
Speaker 1: this America to be full of pristine wild places, full

1598
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:36,000
Speaker 1: of animals that we have access to as renewable resources.

1599
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:40,200
Speaker 1: It's not that complicated. If you want to help cats,

1600
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:45,800
Speaker 1: help habitat yeah, if you want to help the How

1601
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:50,240
Speaker 1: many links are in Colorado right now? Not very many?

1602
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:57,160
Speaker 1: Secure Linx habitat, Yeah, sure, Lynx habitats. What what there

1603
01:33:57,280 --> 01:34:00,680
Speaker 1: is in Colorado is doing. It's great, you know, like

1604
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:04,720
Speaker 1: will betterly protected wilderness areas. You know, keep it secure,

1605
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:07,960
Speaker 1: keep it secure. That will be the thing if you

1606
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:10,479
Speaker 1: want links in Colorado. The thing that will make it

1607
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:13,839
Speaker 1: that there's links in Colorado is that there's habitat. Quit skiing.

1608
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:20,439
Speaker 1: Quit skiing too. There's I can hear people typing already.

1609
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 1: There's a battle over those skiers and big horns down

1610
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:28,400
Speaker 1: in Jackson right now. If you want the links to

1611
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:31,400
Speaker 1: be fine, make it that there's a shipload of links habitat,

1612
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:34,439
Speaker 1: and then all your problems will be solved. It won't

1613
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:38,599
Speaker 1: be because someone who can't anyways were too. It's just

1614
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:51,680
Speaker 1: you're missing the point. Yeah, let's move on, all right,

1615
01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:56,280
Speaker 1: ste how on the Sam Hill. Because here's the thing,

1616
01:34:57,400 --> 01:35:00,519
Speaker 1: here's my biggest question for you, here's my excuse for

1617
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:03,519
Speaker 1: becoming a trapper. I was born in nineteen seventy four,

1618
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:08,960
Speaker 1: the great fur boom of the of like seventy eight

1619
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:12,840
Speaker 1: to eighty two. I was born in seventy four, and

1620
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:15,439
Speaker 1: so I was aware of that, and I didn't set

1621
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:18,640
Speaker 1: a trap till the last year of the fur boom,

1622
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:22,880
Speaker 1: but I was informed by the fur boom like all this,

1623
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:26,599
Speaker 1: you know, this is in four dollars, seventy five dollar

1624
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:33,120
Speaker 1: red fox, fifty dollar mink, forty dollar raccoons, eighty dollar beavers,

1625
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:37,599
Speaker 1: seven dollar muskrats. Somebody, Phil, what was all? What's all

1626
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:41,680
Speaker 1: that mean in today's dollars? And that was in the round.

1627
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:46,559
Speaker 1: Can you can you real quick explain why the prices

1628
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:49,640
Speaker 1: were so high at that time, like just based on

1629
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:52,680
Speaker 1: demand for I think there was at that time there

1630
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 1: was still strong domestic demand. And I'm guessing I don't know,

1631
01:35:56,920 --> 01:36:01,280
Speaker 1: maybe still remembers are better. But the big consumers China,

1632
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:10,160
Speaker 1: South Korea, Russia, right so at times Italy. So I'm

1633
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:15,200
Speaker 1: guessing that those economies were very strong. I'm guessing the

1634
01:36:15,240 --> 01:36:18,599
Speaker 1: oil prices, well, we know oil prices got incredibly high.

1635
01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:22,600
Speaker 1: Their economies are strong. Oil prices are high, and you

1636
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:25,720
Speaker 1: had tons of consumer demand, and you had domestic you

1637
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:30,680
Speaker 1: had us demand for luxury stuff. One hundred dollars in

1638
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:33,920
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four would be about five hundred and sixty

1639
01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:36,560
Speaker 1: nine dollars according to okay, so tell me what a

1640
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:38,519
Speaker 1: seven dollar telling me would have No, tell me what

1641
01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:43,840
Speaker 1: at I did. A forty dollars in nineteen eighty four

1642
01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 1: would have been a hundred nine dollars today. Okay, So

1643
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:51,160
Speaker 1: a hundred nine dollar mink today pretty good money. And

1644
01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:53,560
Speaker 1: I was seduced by those figures because we mow a

1645
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:57,040
Speaker 1: lawn for five bucks and a muskrat was worth more

1646
01:36:57,120 --> 01:36:59,439
Speaker 1: than well, it depends on who's law. Like the Musselmans

1647
01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:02,439
Speaker 1: paid fifteen bucks to molder lawn. Yes, you have to

1648
01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:05,559
Speaker 1: take a lunch break. You couldn't get it done at

1649
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:07,599
Speaker 1: one shot. You had like mo a bunch and then

1650
01:37:07,640 --> 01:37:09,400
Speaker 1: like you'd go home and eat and go swimming and

1651
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 1: ship and go back and mow again. So two muskrats

1652
01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:17,800
Speaker 1: was like musculiman's lawn. That's why I got into it.

1653
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:20,719
Speaker 1: There were guys, but there were guys taking two weeks

1654
01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:25,120
Speaker 1: of vacation and then like teaming it up with like

1655
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:31,799
Speaker 1: their holiday vacation and buying trucks with muskrat money. Pretty

1656
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 1: cool considering you could go, I built up, I built

1657
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:37,120
Speaker 1: a barn. You could really live off the land back then.

1658
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:42,840
Speaker 1: So what's your excuse? How old you you missed all that.

1659
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:49,479
Speaker 1: I missed all that occasionally though, right occasionally, every now

1660
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:54,559
Speaker 1: and then, something like last year or two years ago,

1661
01:37:55,360 --> 01:38:00,160
Speaker 1: like Western coyotes, it was like, yeah, boom, they were

1662
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:01,680
Speaker 1: worth a lot of months a good point now and

1663
01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:04,559
Speaker 1: then to be a freak. But it's because of some

1664
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 1: type of weird niche market typically, right that like typically

1665
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:13,080
Speaker 1: so like the fur boom, like you're talking the fur

1666
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:16,240
Speaker 1: room that I remember with the upper case F. Yeah,

1667
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:21,040
Speaker 1: would have been like two thousand eleven, two thousand fourteen.

1668
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:23,280
Speaker 1: Well that's what you called your that's my that's my

1669
01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:27,640
Speaker 1: generation for boom, that's your generation muskrats. Yeah, I was

1670
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:31,799
Speaker 1: selling fourteen dollar muskrats. I averaged almost twenty five dollars

1671
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:34,240
Speaker 1: on coons that year. I sold several coyotes, you know,

1672
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:38,400
Speaker 1: which we were talking Midwestern coyotes, so yeah, pretty bad ones,

1673
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:41,960
Speaker 1: you know, and having an average of seventy seventy on them.

1674
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:44,360
Speaker 1: You know, that was a good little fur room. I Yeah,

1675
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:47,200
Speaker 1: I did really good then. So yeah, you were making money.

1676
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:50,040
Speaker 1: I was making money. Yeah, I was actually making money trapping.

1677
01:38:50,120 --> 01:38:52,599
Speaker 1: Now you're just doing it pretty much for the hobby

1678
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:55,800
Speaker 1: of it. But fur prices definitely have gone down. But

1679
01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:58,760
Speaker 1: that's the fur boom that I remember. So is that

1680
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:02,879
Speaker 1: what got you into it? No? So you know, traffing

1681
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:07,320
Speaker 1: is traffic is hard, like it really is hard. And

1682
01:39:07,479 --> 01:39:10,320
Speaker 1: you know, growing up, I I was outdoorsman. You know.

1683
01:39:10,360 --> 01:39:12,400
Speaker 1: I deer hunted, I bow hunted, I duck hunted. I

1684
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:15,400
Speaker 1: did everything. You know, ski though, did you I did

1685
01:39:15,400 --> 01:39:19,360
Speaker 1: not ski, being a Southerner, we just didn't have the

1686
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:24,840
Speaker 1: ability there, so I didn't ski. But you know I

1687
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:27,280
Speaker 1: was I was hunting everything. There was a season four

1688
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:29,120
Speaker 1: I was fishing for everything that there was a season,

1689
01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:33,160
Speaker 1: you know, we could catch and trapping. Just it was hard.

1690
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:35,840
Speaker 1: And I remember this was kind of never hard, like

1691
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:40,839
Speaker 1: technically hard or physically hard. I know the answer both both.

1692
01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:43,880
Speaker 1: And I remember this is kind of whenever. Like inline

1693
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:47,439
Speaker 1: muzzleloaders were really becoming a thing, you know, like really

1694
01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:52,200
Speaker 1: and in Illinois we can't use rifles centerfire rifles, and

1695
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:55,599
Speaker 1: so it's shotgun or muzzleloader or pistol. And I remember,

1696
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:58,519
Speaker 1: you know, muzzleloaders were coming out, and I bought a

1697
01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:00,720
Speaker 1: real good in line muzzleloader. And remember I shot a

1698
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:03,720
Speaker 1: deer like two hundred fifty yards. You know, I'm like, well,

1699
01:40:03,800 --> 01:40:06,800
Speaker 1: it's I'm done like what you peeked, you know. I

1700
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:09,120
Speaker 1: mean it's just deer walk out across forty acre field

1701
01:40:09,160 --> 01:40:10,840
Speaker 1: and you just drop him. You know, It's there's not

1702
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:12,920
Speaker 1: much to that. You know, it's sitting a deer stand.

1703
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:16,120
Speaker 1: And I'd always trapped as a kid, and you know,

1704
01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:18,720
Speaker 1: after that, I remember I kind of I bought some

1705
01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:20,920
Speaker 1: sets and you know the time, there wasn't a lot

1706
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:23,000
Speaker 1: of education about it or information. You know, you pretty

1707
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:25,760
Speaker 1: much had to kind of learn on the fly or

1708
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:29,720
Speaker 1: was self taught, and uh, they just slowly progressed from there.

1709
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:33,120
Speaker 1: You know, Trapping is one of those things that if

1710
01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:35,280
Speaker 1: you get past the whole Disney thing where you know,

1711
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:36,720
Speaker 1: you go out and set three sets and you come

1712
01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:38,880
Speaker 1: back next day and you have three critters, what Disney

1713
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:41,439
Speaker 1: youre talking about? That's what everybody always tells me, you

1714
01:40:41,439 --> 01:40:44,920
Speaker 1: know that that's the assumption I would say, is that

1715
01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:48,080
Speaker 1: there's Disney movies where people have super high catch rates. Well,

1716
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:50,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you get the Big Bear traps,

1717
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:52,840
Speaker 1: and you know, just the the illusion of that people

1718
01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:56,559
Speaker 1: have of that trapping is almost like a there's just

1719
01:40:56,600 --> 01:40:59,360
Speaker 1: like it's just mayhem blood. I call it Disney, But

1720
01:40:59,400 --> 01:41:01,720
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, actually the general assumption, you know,

1721
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:04,920
Speaker 1: which it's not. Um. You know, you're going out there

1722
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:09,160
Speaker 1: and you're trying You're going out in an area that

1723
01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:11,479
Speaker 1: this critter, you know, he knows the same as you

1724
01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:15,080
Speaker 1: know your backyard. You're going out in their area, and

1725
01:41:15,120 --> 01:41:17,599
Speaker 1: you are trying to trick that animal. For the most part,

1726
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:20,680
Speaker 1: to step on an area that is the size of

1727
01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:24,200
Speaker 1: a top of a soda can, that's pretty hard to do.

1728
01:41:24,240 --> 01:41:26,920
Speaker 1: You know, consider that that critter could go anywhere he wants,

1729
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:28,880
Speaker 1: and that's what you're trying to do. And I think

1730
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:31,280
Speaker 1: that's what drew me to it more than anything like

1731
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:34,519
Speaker 1: a thousand acre home range, is the challenge to step

1732
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:37,240
Speaker 1: on a beer can, the top of a beer can.

1733
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:39,320
Speaker 1: You're trying to get that critter to put his foot

1734
01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:42,400
Speaker 1: on and that's that, to me was kind of the

1735
01:41:42,439 --> 01:41:45,479
Speaker 1: allure of it. That's what drew me to it. Was

1736
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:49,000
Speaker 1: was the challenge, because I mean, you've trapped, you know,

1737
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:52,240
Speaker 1: you've trapped. Trappers are a different breed, you know. And

1738
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:56,160
Speaker 1: I don't mean that being like the you know, Jeremiah

1739
01:41:56,240 --> 01:41:59,400
Speaker 1: Johnson or old Dingy construction worker, you know, one of those,

1740
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:03,559
Speaker 1: which I him. But I mean, you've got to be driven,

1741
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:07,719
Speaker 1: and you know, there's a different mentality to it to trap,

1742
01:42:07,720 --> 01:42:10,080
Speaker 1: and you there's a lot of work involved with it,

1743
01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:15,760
Speaker 1: um physically, mentally, you know, I'll say so deer hunting,

1744
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:18,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people can relate to deer hunting. So

1745
01:42:18,040 --> 01:42:21,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna deer hunt, and you're gonna you're gonna deer

1746
01:42:21,040 --> 01:42:25,120
Speaker 1: hunt every day in December or every chance you get. Right. So,

1747
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:27,800
Speaker 1: for the majority of us that work a forty hour week,

1748
01:42:27,800 --> 01:42:29,280
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to hunt during the week.

1749
01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:31,680
Speaker 1: You're gonna be able to hunt on the weekends, right

1750
01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:35,120
Speaker 1: because sunrises it seven o'clock and sets at four thirty.

1751
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:38,719
Speaker 1: So you hunt every single chance you can. During December,

1752
01:42:39,080 --> 01:42:42,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna get to hunt eight times eight days basically. Right.

1753
01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:44,400
Speaker 1: If I want to go trap and I want to

1754
01:42:44,439 --> 01:42:48,080
Speaker 1: trap every day in December, I'm in the woods thirty

1755
01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:51,479
Speaker 1: one days in December. That takes a lot of drive

1756
01:42:51,520 --> 01:42:54,840
Speaker 1: and a lot of you know, a lot of you know,

1757
01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:57,280
Speaker 1: you just gotta be involved with it so much more.

1758
01:42:57,720 --> 01:42:59,840
Speaker 1: And I think that's that's what drives me to do it,

1759
01:42:59,880 --> 01:43:01,559
Speaker 1: is just the challenge of it. That's a pretty good

1760
01:43:01,560 --> 01:43:05,160
Speaker 1: point where one of the four years that I really

1761
01:43:05,200 --> 01:43:07,360
Speaker 1: trapped hard. Would be like my last two years of

1762
01:43:07,439 --> 01:43:09,360
Speaker 1: high school where I got where I could get out

1763
01:43:09,360 --> 01:43:12,479
Speaker 1: of school early. I'd go early, but get out earlier,

1764
01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:15,880
Speaker 1: and i'd get out pretty like remarkably early, be done

1765
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:18,680
Speaker 1: like one forty or something like that. UM. And then

1766
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:21,120
Speaker 1: in my two first years of college, I did community college.

1767
01:43:21,120 --> 01:43:23,080
Speaker 1: I took all night classes so I could trap, so

1768
01:43:23,120 --> 01:43:26,280
Speaker 1: I didn't have to show up until five. No, I

1769
01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:28,400
Speaker 1: either had to be there at six or seven, and

1770
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:30,720
Speaker 1: I only went four days a week and i'd be

1771
01:43:30,760 --> 01:43:34,759
Speaker 1: there until ten at night. UM. I would start October

1772
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:39,280
Speaker 1: fifteen when Fox opened, and I would be in the

1773
01:43:39,320 --> 01:43:47,519
Speaker 1: woods every single day. Every day between October and the

1774
01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:49,960
Speaker 1: end of January. I would have some business in the

1775
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:52,559
Speaker 1: woods every day. And don't you feel that you have

1776
01:43:52,640 --> 01:43:55,800
Speaker 1: a kind of a little better relationship with kind of

1777
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:58,880
Speaker 1: I guess the outdoors or your area, and you're seeing

1778
01:43:58,920 --> 01:44:02,639
Speaker 1: stuff every single day. You're in the woods way more

1779
01:44:02,640 --> 01:44:05,040
Speaker 1: than like the average deer hunter. I mean, you're interacting

1780
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:07,559
Speaker 1: with stuff that most people can't, and that to me

1781
01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:10,280
Speaker 1: is just that's cool. You know, looking for tone ail

1782
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:13,840
Speaker 1: marks in the mud, Yeah, that's all you're prints in

1783
01:44:13,880 --> 01:44:16,519
Speaker 1: the mud. But no, to me, That's that's what draws

1784
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:19,519
Speaker 1: me to it is just the challenge. And then you know,

1785
01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:22,280
Speaker 1: for my instance, I go ahead and I take it

1786
01:44:22,280 --> 01:44:24,519
Speaker 1: a step further if you will, with with my fur

1787
01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:26,040
Speaker 1: handling side of it. So, I mean, you know a

1788
01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:28,840
Speaker 1: lot of people selling the round or they sell green,

1789
01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:32,439
Speaker 1: which is just a skinned critter um and it round

1790
01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:35,680
Speaker 1: is hole on the carcass. You caught the thing, you

1791
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:39,160
Speaker 1: dispatched it there lays that's in the round, and like,

1792
01:44:39,200 --> 01:44:43,040
Speaker 1: who explain who the hell you'd sell a raccoon in

1793
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:47,120
Speaker 1: the round. Two. So whenever we have times of high

1794
01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:51,320
Speaker 1: fur prices, um, there are you know the auction companies

1795
01:44:51,320 --> 01:44:53,479
Speaker 1: of fur buyers that will buy that, you know back

1796
01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:56,680
Speaker 1: like your fur boom, remember people talking about that's they

1797
01:44:56,680 --> 01:45:01,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't even bother taking the time to skin their coons

1798
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:05,000
Speaker 1: because the price difference between finish fur and in the

1799
01:45:05,120 --> 01:45:08,040
Speaker 1: round it wasn't enough to justify going through all the

1800
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:09,840
Speaker 1: trouble of it. They could just go out and catch

1801
01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:13,360
Speaker 1: more coons and there every night dropping by the fur buyer,

1802
01:45:14,200 --> 01:45:16,280
Speaker 1: or you could freeze them, you know, depending on depending

1803
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:18,519
Speaker 1: on your climate too. But yeah, selling in the round

1804
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:21,200
Speaker 1: or selling in the green, um, nafa there at the

1805
01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:25,759
Speaker 1: end of their kind of run. They were offering um skinning.

1806
01:45:25,760 --> 01:45:28,759
Speaker 1: You could you could, you could send them green furs

1807
01:45:28,840 --> 01:45:31,479
Speaker 1: and they would flesh them and stretch them. So a

1808
01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:33,960
Speaker 1: lot of buyers, to a lot of your county buyers

1809
01:45:34,360 --> 01:45:39,639
Speaker 1: sometimes prefer having green fur or or in the round,

1810
01:45:39,800 --> 01:45:42,760
Speaker 1: mainly just green, simply because they know you're not gonna

1811
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:46,040
Speaker 1: screw it up. Got so, I mean, they know that

1812
01:45:46,080 --> 01:45:48,400
Speaker 1: they've got a skill set. They're gonna flesh and stretch

1813
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:51,719
Speaker 1: it just how they want it. Because your local buyers

1814
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:55,040
Speaker 1: are selling to the auction houses anyway, so they want

1815
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:57,280
Speaker 1: to get a premium and they want to have it right.

1816
01:45:57,400 --> 01:45:59,960
Speaker 1: So you want to know something that's gonna increase tension

1817
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:03,479
Speaker 1: between you and Seth, and it's going to create tension

1818
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:07,120
Speaker 1: between you and Rick, making all sorts of enemies. Seth

1819
01:46:07,200 --> 01:46:10,040
Speaker 1: had a top lot mink, Yeah, which he's gonna tell

1820
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:12,040
Speaker 1: what that means. And you had a top lot something.

1821
01:46:12,040 --> 01:46:14,640
Speaker 1: I had a top lot gray fox. Okay, tell tell

1822
01:46:14,720 --> 01:46:19,880
Speaker 1: Stu all about that. What that means? Oh, the top lot, uh,

1823
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:22,679
Speaker 1: Stu priority knows. Yes, Stu knows about the top lit guarantee.

1824
01:46:23,160 --> 01:46:27,080
Speaker 1: I've had a few. Yes, we talked about it. What

1825
01:46:27,200 --> 01:46:29,200
Speaker 1: hurts me more is I got that top lot and

1826
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:34,599
Speaker 1: seth He's like, hey, Rick, you're gonna back up, back up,

1827
01:46:34,600 --> 01:46:37,080
Speaker 1: back up. Okay, who wants to explain what the hell

1828
01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:39,040
Speaker 1: the top lot is? I've never had one, but I

1829
01:46:39,080 --> 01:46:44,439
Speaker 1: can do it. Yeah, whoever go for to explain the

1830
01:46:44,479 --> 01:46:46,680
Speaker 1: top lot? Yes, his for knowledge is because this is

1831
01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:49,040
Speaker 1: for handling one on one okay. So a top lot

1832
01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:51,679
Speaker 1: and generally when we we're talking top lot, we're talking

1833
01:46:51,720 --> 01:46:54,479
Speaker 1: about selling through the auction houses. So you've got a

1834
01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:56,600
Speaker 1: few different ways to sell. Obviously, you can sell to

1835
01:46:56,640 --> 01:47:00,160
Speaker 1: your county or local buyer, and then normally they will

1836
01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:02,920
Speaker 1: actually sell to the auction houses. So a few years

1837
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:05,040
Speaker 1: ago there were two main auction houses. There was NAPFA,

1838
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:08,960
Speaker 1: which was North American for auction and then FH for harvesters. Right,

1839
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:11,519
Speaker 1: NAPFA went under a few years ago, so now there's

1840
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:14,880
Speaker 1: just for harvesters. So these auction houses they will gather

1841
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:18,080
Speaker 1: up giant lots of fur and they will grade them

1842
01:47:18,080 --> 01:47:22,000
Speaker 1: down by size, by color, whole, different whole, different lists

1843
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:26,120
Speaker 1: of stuff. So to get a top lot basically means

1844
01:47:26,160 --> 01:47:31,639
Speaker 1: that you have your your pelt in the very top

1845
01:47:32,240 --> 01:47:34,519
Speaker 1: of what's selling. So you've got the best color, the

1846
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:39,280
Speaker 1: best size, the best quality. You've got the best of say,

1847
01:47:39,560 --> 01:47:41,839
Speaker 1: all the coyotes that are being sold at that auction,

1848
01:47:42,200 --> 01:47:46,240
Speaker 1: that top lot. You've got your your pelt in that

1849
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:49,519
Speaker 1: lot that's being sold. And I mean it's a pretty

1850
01:47:49,560 --> 01:47:51,320
Speaker 1: big honor really, you know, to be able to get

1851
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:53,880
Speaker 1: that um and they give you a hat, they give

1852
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:55,880
Speaker 1: you a hat, they give you a pen, they give

1853
01:47:55,880 --> 01:47:58,080
Speaker 1: you a little certificate with your name on it. It

1854
01:47:58,160 --> 01:48:01,240
Speaker 1: tells you so you gotta hear rix very sad story though,

1855
01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:09,160
Speaker 1: So it was. It was actually because or maybe actually

1856
01:48:09,240 --> 01:48:14,120
Speaker 1: yeah it was. And uh, I gotta this certificate in

1857
01:48:14,160 --> 01:48:16,080
Speaker 1: the mail the top lot for that gray fox. And

1858
01:48:16,120 --> 01:48:18,400
Speaker 1: I told Seth about it, and he was like all

1859
01:48:18,439 --> 01:48:20,800
Speaker 1: pumpt He's like, hey, when you go sell for next time,

1860
01:48:20,840 --> 01:48:23,880
Speaker 1: you could take your certificate and show the driver and

1861
01:48:23,880 --> 01:48:25,519
Speaker 1: you'll you'll get a hat. And I'm like, oh, sweet,

1862
01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:28,559
Speaker 1: well explain what the driver's Oh yeah, okay, so well

1863
01:48:28,720 --> 01:48:31,400
Speaker 1: Stu can talk so much better this, but you gotta

1864
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:34,599
Speaker 1: it's a very it's a weird. It's a weird. So

1865
01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:38,680
Speaker 1: I'll back up even more. You're doing something illegal to

1866
01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:42,479
Speaker 1: the point, and the gentleman Seth used to work for.

1867
01:48:42,680 --> 01:48:45,000
Speaker 1: We're kind of my trapping mentors, and they're telling me.

1868
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:47,080
Speaker 1: He's like, all right, you gotta sell your fur now,

1869
01:48:47,120 --> 01:48:50,280
Speaker 1: you gotta. I'm like, how do I do that? So

1870
01:48:50,280 --> 01:48:52,760
Speaker 1: they're explaining they you gotta go with the th a

1871
01:48:52,840 --> 01:48:59,479
Speaker 1: truck seven thirty and drive around back just a truck stop.

1872
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:03,800
Speaker 1: And I thought, Seth and this, gentlemen, we're messing with me,

1873
01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:05,720
Speaker 1: and side to show up and then I'll just know

1874
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:07,840
Speaker 1: what to do. And I have my little my little

1875
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:11,559
Speaker 1: bag they gave me and my my sat my Napha sack,

1876
01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:14,320
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting there and then when you get there,

1877
01:49:14,600 --> 01:49:24,600
Speaker 1: pull your pants, don't and it's always a sketchy And

1878
01:49:25,120 --> 01:49:27,120
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and I started noticing all these other

1879
01:49:27,120 --> 01:49:29,720
Speaker 1: trucks pull up and I'm like, okay, I think, and

1880
01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:31,959
Speaker 1: it's yeah, like six in the morning. Then this budget

1881
01:49:31,960 --> 01:49:35,240
Speaker 1: rental truck comes ripping into the parking lot, just parks

1882
01:49:35,240 --> 01:49:37,960
Speaker 1: in the middle back. Guy gets out, opens the back door,

1883
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:40,800
Speaker 1: and I think, I told you. I felt like it's

1884
01:49:40,840 --> 01:49:42,720
Speaker 1: like when you're young kid going into gym class for

1885
01:49:42,720 --> 01:49:44,880
Speaker 1: the first time in the showers and I'm like, have this.

1886
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:47,439
Speaker 1: I have this little bag I'm like, yeah, I got

1887
01:49:47,479 --> 01:49:49,360
Speaker 1: twenty furs in here, and then these dudes are just

1888
01:49:49,400 --> 01:49:53,080
Speaker 1: on loaded white bags. I'm like, oh shit, wow, that's

1889
01:49:53,120 --> 01:49:56,800
Speaker 1: a lot um. But that was the first couple of times.

1890
01:49:56,840 --> 01:50:00,320
Speaker 1: So you you you go there and you get in

1891
01:50:00,360 --> 01:50:02,479
Speaker 1: the line, hand in all your bags. They give you.

1892
01:50:03,439 --> 01:50:06,800
Speaker 1: It was like the old certificate styles, like they'd write

1893
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:09,280
Speaker 1: on it. They'll be like a pink sheet, a yellow sheet,

1894
01:50:09,320 --> 01:50:10,920
Speaker 1: and you'd have to throw one in the bag and

1895
01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:13,360
Speaker 1: they'd hand you your you know, and I'm butchering this

1896
01:50:13,400 --> 01:50:18,280
Speaker 1: stup and no money changes hands. But that's the pickup

1897
01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:22,320
Speaker 1: I'm referring to. So a couple like in the next year,

1898
01:50:22,920 --> 01:50:26,519
Speaker 1: I'm at this pickup and I'm like, I have last

1899
01:50:26,600 --> 01:50:29,080
Speaker 1: year's top Lot certificate in my hand and I can't

1900
01:50:29,080 --> 01:50:31,360
Speaker 1: wait to get that naff a top Lot trapper hat.

1901
01:50:31,400 --> 01:50:35,599
Speaker 1: I know it sounds so stupid because I was so

1902
01:50:35,680 --> 01:50:40,559
Speaker 1: into it great because the Golden broadered anyway feel and

1903
01:50:40,720 --> 01:50:42,400
Speaker 1: I walked up. I was one of the last guys

1904
01:50:42,400 --> 01:50:45,920
Speaker 1: in line. We did my for exchange. He uh did

1905
01:50:46,040 --> 01:50:47,519
Speaker 1: my sheet and I was like, sir, I also have

1906
01:50:47,560 --> 01:50:49,679
Speaker 1: a top Lot certificate here. I was like, I'm wondering

1907
01:50:49,680 --> 01:50:52,240
Speaker 1: do you have the hats. And it was this old guy.

1908
01:50:52,280 --> 01:50:55,599
Speaker 1: He looks right, just so serious. He's like, oh, I'm sorry, son,

1909
01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:57,960
Speaker 1: I'm all out of those hats. I just gave them all,

1910
01:50:58,040 --> 01:51:00,000
Speaker 1: like my last one out. And I was like, oh,

1911
01:51:00,280 --> 01:51:02,559
Speaker 1: that's all right, you know. But I was so crushed.

1912
01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:05,080
Speaker 1: I walked off like I was tough, but I was like,

1913
01:51:05,080 --> 01:51:07,559
Speaker 1: oh my god. All I wanted was a damn hat.

1914
01:51:08,640 --> 01:51:10,280
Speaker 1: To this day, I don't have one in it. Like

1915
01:51:10,280 --> 01:51:13,519
Speaker 1: you're tearing up right now. Man, it's emotional. Yeah, see, man,

1916
01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:15,439
Speaker 1: I want to see. I've never had a top lot

1917
01:51:15,479 --> 01:51:19,080
Speaker 1: but kind of what I mean, I never would and

1918
01:51:19,400 --> 01:51:22,559
Speaker 1: you should be shot if you do. But I'd be

1919
01:51:22,640 --> 01:51:27,680
Speaker 1: very tempted to wear that hat. Yeah you got you got?

1920
01:51:27,720 --> 01:51:29,600
Speaker 1: What did you wore? And got exposed? People like, let

1921
01:51:29,640 --> 01:51:31,479
Speaker 1: me see your certificate? Do you know I'm gonna I

1922
01:51:31,560 --> 01:51:33,760
Speaker 1: was gonna frame my certificate. After we talked about it

1923
01:51:33,800 --> 01:51:35,720
Speaker 1: a few months, I was like, you have it, I

1924
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:38,160
Speaker 1: still have it. Can hang in the studio here of course. Yeah,

1925
01:51:38,160 --> 01:51:41,160
Speaker 1: we're talking about You're like you should frame that, and

1926
01:51:41,200 --> 01:51:42,840
Speaker 1: I was like sitting in your truck, like you know

1927
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:47,160
Speaker 1: what I should? Yeah, I've got mine frames? How many

1928
01:51:47,160 --> 01:51:49,760
Speaker 1: top lots you got, I've got three through NAFA for

1929
01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:52,599
Speaker 1: which ones. I've got a coon, I've got a beaver,

1930
01:51:52,960 --> 01:51:56,160
Speaker 1: and I've got a kyote because see the problem is

1931
01:51:56,200 --> 01:51:59,640
Speaker 1: now I say a kyote because I'm from Illinois, Midwest, right,

1932
01:52:00,040 --> 01:52:03,280
Speaker 1: So there's kind of this thing amongst trappers. You have

1933
01:52:03,400 --> 01:52:06,440
Speaker 1: your top lot and then you have your top lot sections.

1934
01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:10,360
Speaker 1: So like my beaver, I my beaver was the top lot,

1935
01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:14,479
Speaker 1: My coon was the top lot. My coyote was the

1936
01:52:14,479 --> 01:52:17,880
Speaker 1: top lot of the section. So like the top the

1937
01:52:17,920 --> 01:52:20,879
Speaker 1: best of the ship. It's like you're standing on the podium,

1938
01:52:20,920 --> 01:52:23,080
Speaker 1: but the guy your top of the podium, but there's

1939
01:52:23,080 --> 01:52:26,960
Speaker 1: still somebody just above you because it's not the top top,

1940
01:52:27,000 --> 01:52:30,360
Speaker 1: but it's still the top of that section. The Western

1941
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:32,680
Speaker 1: Pales would be top. They are top. Like I'm never

1942
01:52:32,720 --> 01:52:35,080
Speaker 1: gonna get a top lot kyo or I trap ever,

1943
01:52:35,200 --> 01:52:37,360
Speaker 1: It's just not gonna happen. But I got the top

1944
01:52:37,439 --> 01:52:40,240
Speaker 1: lot of the section. Do you got three hats? No?

1945
01:52:40,400 --> 01:52:42,920
Speaker 1: I got one hat because I've got two similar stories

1946
01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:45,439
Speaker 1: to what they really dropped the ball on the hats.

1947
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:47,920
Speaker 1: I've got three pins though, yeah, I see how don't

1948
01:52:47,920 --> 01:52:51,479
Speaker 1: know the pins with so I cheated out of a

1949
01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:53,920
Speaker 1: pin and and yeah, man, but the hats were cool,

1950
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:56,240
Speaker 1: like ninety I've wore mine until it was so ratty

1951
01:52:56,320 --> 01:53:01,320
Speaker 1: and nasty. Stu, you kind of talked hat and I'm

1952
01:53:01,320 --> 01:53:04,240
Speaker 1: not a hacky. I don't. I very rarely actually wear hats.

1953
01:53:04,240 --> 01:53:06,680
Speaker 1: But that was like a badge of honor because I

1954
01:53:06,720 --> 01:53:09,559
Speaker 1: do think in the tear of like outdoorsman, trapper is

1955
01:53:09,560 --> 01:53:12,320
Speaker 1: a pinnacle and like not a lot of people in

1956
01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:14,280
Speaker 1: our generation, we're in the trap and that's what it's like.

1957
01:53:14,320 --> 01:53:16,400
Speaker 1: I want that hat so I can wear it, and

1958
01:53:16,520 --> 01:53:17,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just yeah, I felt like it

1959
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:20,200
Speaker 1: was like a metal And when that old man told

1960
01:53:20,200 --> 01:53:22,040
Speaker 1: me I couldn't have one or didn't have it, I

1961
01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:24,840
Speaker 1: was like, where's your hat, Seth. I think it's back

1962
01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:29,560
Speaker 1: at my mom's place in Pennsylvania. Do you have your certificate?

1963
01:53:29,960 --> 01:53:32,080
Speaker 1: I think it's there too, somewhere. Can you ever hunt

1964
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:35,599
Speaker 1: it down? Yeah? You probably have her. Look look around

1965
01:53:35,600 --> 01:53:37,439
Speaker 1: for it. Do you want to plug your mass Boot company?

1966
01:53:37,479 --> 01:53:40,960
Speaker 1: While we're talking about the Center Boot Company in Belfont, Pennsylvania,

1967
01:53:41,040 --> 01:53:42,880
Speaker 1: check it out. If you need to buy boots, don't

1968
01:53:42,920 --> 01:53:45,439
Speaker 1: buy him anywhere else. Don't buy him at Zappos. Don't

1969
01:53:45,439 --> 01:53:49,280
Speaker 1: buy him at Amazon. Drive to Seth's Mom's store Center

1970
01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:56,439
Speaker 1: Boot Company, um Work Hunting Western. They also sell all

1971
01:53:56,439 --> 01:54:00,240
Speaker 1: sorts of stuff like belt buckles and leather good If

1972
01:54:00,240 --> 01:54:01,760
Speaker 1: you're over there in Pensylvan If you're ever here, go

1973
01:54:01,840 --> 01:54:04,639
Speaker 1: to Schnads. If you are there, go to Sasma check

1974
01:54:04,680 --> 01:54:09,680
Speaker 1: them out. I have a booth at the the the

1975
01:54:09,800 --> 01:54:13,560
Speaker 1: Big Sportsman Show in Harrisburg. Here you can actually go

1976
01:54:13,600 --> 01:54:16,240
Speaker 1: meet the real Sess mom. Go go look up their

1977
01:54:16,240 --> 01:54:18,599
Speaker 1: booth if you're gonna be there and ask her if

1978
01:54:18,640 --> 01:54:21,760
Speaker 1: she can please find Sess hat and top lots certificate.

1979
01:54:21,880 --> 01:54:25,040
Speaker 1: Yes that I'm sure that hats because you had it

1980
01:54:25,080 --> 01:54:28,360
Speaker 1: in college. You had it on like your wall. Yeah,

1981
01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:29,880
Speaker 1: that kind of lost track of it. I don't know

1982
01:54:29,880 --> 01:54:32,360
Speaker 1: where it is. But you see, they only give top

1983
01:54:32,400 --> 01:54:35,840
Speaker 1: lots for certain species. So for some reason where I'm at,

1984
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:41,120
Speaker 1: we grow like awesome possums. I don't know why, right,

1985
01:54:41,440 --> 01:54:43,840
Speaker 1: but back in the day you could pay for all

1986
01:54:43,880 --> 01:54:46,800
Speaker 1: your gas by by putting up possums. What is the

1987
01:54:46,880 --> 01:54:51,400
Speaker 1: day eleven through fourteen? That's that's my fur boom. Okay,

1988
01:54:51,440 --> 01:54:55,480
Speaker 1: so explain the possum market. Well, I mean, you know

1989
01:54:55,520 --> 01:54:58,000
Speaker 1: you've got kind of a lower end market with the possums.

1990
01:54:58,280 --> 01:55:01,280
Speaker 1: But normally you catch them as I catch and I

1991
01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:03,600
Speaker 1: would put them up and I mean, we we grow

1992
01:55:03,680 --> 01:55:07,520
Speaker 1: some big possums there, and I would remember, I can't

1993
01:55:07,560 --> 01:55:10,240
Speaker 1: say the exact I want to say, like seventeen dollars

1994
01:55:10,240 --> 01:55:12,880
Speaker 1: I sold a possum for back in the day. I

1995
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:15,800
Speaker 1: mean I averaged like twelve dollars on them. Yeah, And

1996
01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:19,160
Speaker 1: is that is that market collapse now? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

1997
01:55:19,240 --> 01:55:20,920
Speaker 1: it's hard to even get rid of them right now.

1998
01:55:21,080 --> 01:55:22,640
Speaker 1: But you were saying. One thing you're telling me that's

1999
01:55:22,680 --> 01:55:28,680
Speaker 1: interesting is the skunk for market doesn't fluctuate, not really, No,

2000
01:55:28,880 --> 01:55:31,120
Speaker 1: depending on who you go through in the different avenues

2001
01:55:31,200 --> 01:55:34,240
Speaker 1: you go through. Skunks are at least what I trapped

2002
01:55:34,240 --> 01:55:37,640
Speaker 1: in my area. They're the most consistent cell every year,

2003
01:55:38,200 --> 01:55:42,480
Speaker 1: mainly just because their novelty item. So who do you

2004
01:55:42,520 --> 01:55:45,600
Speaker 1: sell the skunks to. I've got a couple of private

2005
01:55:45,640 --> 01:55:49,120
Speaker 1: buyers who I'm not gonna say, but got you. I mean,

2006
01:55:49,160 --> 01:55:51,360
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a it's it's a niche market, right,

2007
01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:53,400
Speaker 1: So I mean, you know you flood the market with

2008
01:55:53,440 --> 01:55:56,400
Speaker 1: these niche buyers, then you know you're not gonna have

2009
01:55:56,440 --> 01:55:59,840
Speaker 1: your market but yeah, it's it's a very consistent market.

2010
01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:02,080
Speaker 1: And how many skunks did you put up this year?

2011
01:56:03,160 --> 01:56:06,560
Speaker 1: Probably I don't know number. I'm saying between sixty and

2012
01:56:06,560 --> 01:56:10,000
Speaker 1: seventy so far you flushed and stretched between sixty and

2013
01:56:10,040 --> 01:56:13,480
Speaker 1: seventy skunks this year. You don't even smell, Like, how

2014
01:56:13,480 --> 01:56:18,960
Speaker 1: do you dispatch them? Because that's that's always real controversial. Uh,

2015
01:56:19,000 --> 01:56:22,560
Speaker 1: A lot of guys will inject them with acidtone. I

2016
01:56:22,560 --> 01:56:24,760
Speaker 1: I shoot everything. I'm not going to take the time.

2017
01:56:24,840 --> 01:56:27,160
Speaker 1: I'm running in gunning the whole time, So I do

2018
01:56:27,240 --> 01:56:29,920
Speaker 1: a center body shot, try to hit the vitals. I

2019
01:56:29,960 --> 01:56:33,680
Speaker 1: think the trick is a very slow bullet, something that's

2020
01:56:33,720 --> 01:56:36,720
Speaker 1: not going to create a lot of impact, and you

2021
01:56:36,880 --> 01:56:40,160
Speaker 1: probably get maybe one out of eight, one out of

2022
01:56:40,240 --> 01:56:43,040
Speaker 1: nine that spray because I want the essence, right, So

2023
01:56:43,120 --> 01:56:45,560
Speaker 1: that adds to the value of the skunk, is that

2024
01:56:45,680 --> 01:56:48,120
Speaker 1: you sell the fur. But then you there's also a

2025
01:56:48,160 --> 01:56:51,120
Speaker 1: market for the essence, and so essence right now is

2026
01:56:51,480 --> 01:56:56,840
Speaker 1: you know right about ounds average? Yeah, So how much

2027
01:56:56,840 --> 01:57:00,880
Speaker 1: do you get out of one skunk about? I mean, like, oh,

2028
01:57:01,360 --> 01:57:04,600
Speaker 1: since wise, So it just depends on if they spray

2029
01:57:04,680 --> 01:57:07,240
Speaker 1: or not, if they're full, you know, all over half

2030
01:57:07,240 --> 01:57:10,720
Speaker 1: an ounce. So you take a skunk that's you know,

2031
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:15,120
Speaker 1: if he's got good white stripes, and if he's full essence,

2032
01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:17,520
Speaker 1: you know, throw another ten to twelve dollars on it.

2033
01:57:18,360 --> 01:57:21,400
Speaker 1: That's not a bad deal for something you're not necessarily

2034
01:57:21,440 --> 01:57:23,520
Speaker 1: targeting either. I mean there are guys that target them,

2035
01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:27,000
Speaker 1: but for me, there by catch, ye, So well why

2036
01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:31,280
Speaker 1: not just set specifically for him because I'm out there

2037
01:57:31,280 --> 01:57:35,240
Speaker 1: targeting other species And I say by catch and the

2038
01:57:35,280 --> 01:57:38,600
Speaker 1: fact that I'm in the same general area so I

2039
01:57:38,640 --> 01:57:40,000
Speaker 1: catch them in a lot of my coon sets is

2040
01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:41,840
Speaker 1: where I catch them. Because you're gonna catch them whether

2041
01:57:41,840 --> 01:57:45,200
Speaker 1: you're targeting him or not. Yeah. So, and like I said,

2042
01:57:45,200 --> 01:57:47,200
Speaker 1: you want that, you want the good ones. Um, you

2043
01:57:47,200 --> 01:57:48,760
Speaker 1: know you're gonna get a little bit more money for

2044
01:57:48,760 --> 01:57:51,560
Speaker 1: the good white stripes. That's what they want. I mean,

2045
01:57:51,600 --> 01:57:53,960
Speaker 1: that's that's what the novelty market is wanting. But no,

2046
01:57:54,080 --> 01:57:56,800
Speaker 1: the skunk is an underrated for for sure. And if

2047
01:57:56,800 --> 01:57:59,560
Speaker 1: you have never seen a skunk for in general, they've

2048
01:57:59,600 --> 01:58:03,000
Speaker 1: got all some for it's real long, kind of silky

2049
01:58:03,120 --> 01:58:06,400
Speaker 1: for I mean, it really is a student you say,

2050
01:58:06,480 --> 01:58:09,320
Speaker 1: they're trappers even starting to target them now just because

2051
01:58:09,320 --> 01:58:11,640
Speaker 1: of that market for sure. Yeah, there there's several guys

2052
01:58:11,680 --> 01:58:14,960
Speaker 1: that I know that they go out and pretty much

2053
01:58:15,000 --> 01:58:16,520
Speaker 1: target them. You know, do you think me and Rick

2054
01:58:16,520 --> 01:58:18,520
Speaker 1: would be all pull top Lot off those giants I

2055
01:58:18,560 --> 01:58:21,000
Speaker 1: was showing you earlier today, we'll see. That's one funny.

2056
01:58:21,840 --> 01:58:24,160
Speaker 1: I never did get a top Lot skunk. I don't

2057
01:58:24,160 --> 01:58:26,480
Speaker 1: think they give out the certificates. That's a funny, you know,

2058
01:58:26,480 --> 01:58:28,880
Speaker 1: it's kind of I haven't gotten that hat. Yeah, and

2059
01:58:28,920 --> 01:58:31,560
Speaker 1: I never sold a skunks. I don't know because those

2060
01:58:31,560 --> 01:58:35,720
Speaker 1: are some big skunks though. You have to Yeah, you

2061
01:58:35,840 --> 01:58:37,640
Speaker 1: have to go to Fern harvests now. And I don't

2062
01:58:37,640 --> 01:58:41,000
Speaker 1: know if they give out for forgiven my ignorance here,

2063
01:58:41,160 --> 01:58:44,040
Speaker 1: what is the market for the essence? Like what are

2064
01:58:44,040 --> 01:58:46,800
Speaker 1: people using it for? What do they want it for?

2065
01:58:47,720 --> 01:58:52,560
Speaker 1: So the main market is for bait makers. Um, it's

2066
01:58:52,600 --> 01:58:56,440
Speaker 1: also you can google essence and come up with I

2067
01:58:56,440 --> 01:58:59,040
Speaker 1: mean it it is there's a large market for The

2068
01:58:59,120 --> 01:59:04,040
Speaker 1: main market is essence for for lure, for trapping. That

2069
01:59:04,120 --> 01:59:07,680
Speaker 1: takes a lot of it. Um. You know when it's

2070
01:59:07,680 --> 01:59:10,440
Speaker 1: so like we were running Martin sets, right, There's not

2071
01:59:10,480 --> 01:59:12,520
Speaker 1: a lot of skunks in the mountains, so those guys

2072
01:59:12,560 --> 01:59:15,240
Speaker 1: can't access you know they don't have access to skunks.

2073
01:59:15,240 --> 01:59:18,520
Speaker 1: So but there are different different markets for it too

2074
01:59:18,520 --> 01:59:22,920
Speaker 1: as well. Um, I think I could be wrong. I

2075
01:59:22,960 --> 01:59:27,000
Speaker 1: think there's some food additives that stu you might have hurt.

2076
01:59:27,400 --> 01:59:29,640
Speaker 1: I feel like years ago was used in perfumes a

2077
01:59:29,640 --> 01:59:32,600
Speaker 1: lot perfect. They would pull apart the scent, but like

2078
01:59:32,640 --> 01:59:36,240
Speaker 1: what sticks and there's some way to break it down?

2079
01:59:36,760 --> 01:59:40,360
Speaker 1: Casts huge? Yeah, casts a hundred bucks of pound right

2080
01:59:40,360 --> 01:59:43,080
Speaker 1: now casts a hunter bucks. So like castor is always

2081
01:59:43,080 --> 01:59:46,200
Speaker 1: funny because like around the holidays, we're talking about it.

2082
01:59:46,240 --> 01:59:47,640
Speaker 1: We're talking about a thing that like when you skin

2083
01:59:47,720 --> 01:59:50,160
Speaker 1: a beaver on each side of the vent, it would

2084
01:59:50,200 --> 01:59:52,000
Speaker 1: be like if you're like if you reach down and

2085
01:59:52,080 --> 02:00:01,160
Speaker 1: grab on yourself male or female whatever, above your how

2086
02:00:01,200 --> 02:00:04,200
Speaker 1: would I put it? What would be that little area?

2087
02:00:05,560 --> 02:00:08,520
Speaker 1: I know, a vulgar term for that little area exactly

2088
02:00:08,600 --> 02:00:15,760
Speaker 1: between the in between zones, not your taint. It's like

2089
02:00:17,080 --> 02:00:19,600
Speaker 1: just like a vulgar term for what that is? What

2090
02:00:19,680 --> 02:00:22,640
Speaker 1: is it like if you were gonna I don't know,

2091
02:00:22,920 --> 02:00:26,800
Speaker 1: like above your genitals and on either side it's like

2092
02:00:26,800 --> 02:00:29,040
Speaker 1: a little soft area where your legs join up to

2093
02:00:29,080 --> 02:00:32,240
Speaker 1: your body. What is that called that spot? If you

2094
02:00:32,280 --> 02:00:36,600
Speaker 1: had a hernia. Oh yeah, picture you had a hernia

2095
02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:40,640
Speaker 1: on a beaver, there sits. If you had a double hernia,

2096
02:00:41,960 --> 02:00:44,480
Speaker 1: growing area, Yeah, you're growing area. There sits. These two

2097
02:00:44,520 --> 02:00:47,400
Speaker 1: sacks full of castor, it looks like a brain, looks

2098
02:00:47,400 --> 02:00:51,680
Speaker 1: like two brains hiding out down in there um. And

2099
02:00:51,720 --> 02:00:55,839
Speaker 1: they use it for imitate like artificial vanilla. Vanilla extracts

2100
02:00:55,840 --> 02:00:58,080
Speaker 1: a big one, a lot of the goals. I think

2101
02:00:58,080 --> 02:01:00,520
Speaker 1: there's a big market in Turkey for something. They fume.

2102
02:01:00,600 --> 02:01:02,600
Speaker 1: It's huge and perfume because it really does have a

2103
02:01:02,680 --> 02:01:06,280
Speaker 1: sweet smell. Hundred bucks of pound right now, the castor.

2104
02:01:06,360 --> 02:01:08,360
Speaker 1: If you get a beaver loaded with castor, his caster

2105
02:01:08,480 --> 02:01:11,160
Speaker 1: is worth more than all of his other parts. Is

2106
02:01:11,160 --> 02:01:14,080
Speaker 1: that has I've been with Steve sitting on a bunch

2107
02:01:14,080 --> 02:01:17,760
Speaker 1: of pounds of it trapping? Is it the weight the

2108
02:01:18,160 --> 02:01:21,560
Speaker 1: dried out weight? Yeah? Generally there's a few different ways,

2109
02:01:21,560 --> 02:01:24,440
Speaker 1: but generally the accepted way is to have it dried.

2110
02:01:24,640 --> 02:01:26,680
Speaker 1: Can I give you a huge bag of beaver casters

2111
02:01:26,720 --> 02:01:29,680
Speaker 1: and then you'll like on me like a stretcher or

2112
02:01:29,680 --> 02:01:32,200
Speaker 1: something like that. Were already gave me two stretchers. If

2113
02:01:32,240 --> 02:01:33,960
Speaker 1: I give you a big bag of beaver casters, we

2114
02:01:34,000 --> 02:01:38,600
Speaker 1: call it into even get that hat from him? Would

2115
02:01:38,640 --> 02:01:41,400
Speaker 1: you fly home with the beaver casters? We can fly

2116
02:01:41,480 --> 02:01:42,920
Speaker 1: home with. I don't know. I'm gonna let you home

2117
02:01:42,920 --> 02:01:44,720
Speaker 1: with a bunch of beaver casters. Now you need him

2118
02:01:44,760 --> 02:01:47,640
Speaker 1: for bait, because that's one universal bait. I know, it's

2119
02:01:47,640 --> 02:01:51,840
Speaker 1: a universal attracting No beaver caster is is where it's

2120
02:01:51,840 --> 02:01:54,680
Speaker 1: at if you're trapping right now. So I'm gonna give

2121
02:01:54,680 --> 02:01:56,480
Speaker 1: you a bunch of beaver cast and the oil sacks too.

2122
02:01:56,640 --> 02:01:58,120
Speaker 1: You can also take the oil sacs. I kind of

2123
02:01:58,200 --> 02:02:00,800
Speaker 1: quit saying because me and Seth here we're old lure makers.

2124
02:02:00,800 --> 02:02:04,520
Speaker 1: I don't let you know that, and we would we

2125
02:02:04,600 --> 02:02:08,320
Speaker 1: made We made like a lot. Oh yeah, is that

2126
02:02:08,320 --> 02:02:09,960
Speaker 1: that stuff we used the other day? Is that's still

2127
02:02:10,040 --> 02:02:12,880
Speaker 1: from the main stuff? We made like a couple of

2128
02:02:12,960 --> 02:02:15,760
Speaker 1: quart jars of that stuff, and we took a valerian

2129
02:02:15,880 --> 02:02:19,960
Speaker 1: root appalescence and a lot of beaver caster and a

2130
02:02:20,040 --> 02:02:29,040
Speaker 1: lot of glycering. I should work that stuff now, the

2131
02:02:29,080 --> 02:02:33,200
Speaker 1: castor definitely where it's at. Are you selling castor I'm

2132
02:02:33,200 --> 02:02:35,560
Speaker 1: selling caster? I take what because I make a lout

2133
02:02:35,560 --> 02:02:38,280
Speaker 1: of my own bait, So I take every year what

2134
02:02:38,400 --> 02:02:40,360
Speaker 1: I need to get me through Basically the next year

2135
02:02:40,600 --> 02:02:42,480
Speaker 1: and then I'll sell the rest. Let me give you

2136
02:02:42,520 --> 02:02:44,560
Speaker 1: a couple of bags of it. Okay, that's why you'd

2137
02:02:44,600 --> 02:02:47,280
Speaker 1: have it. I want it. What's your beaver pressure like

2138
02:02:47,880 --> 02:02:49,840
Speaker 1: in southern Illinois is is there a lot of people

2139
02:02:49,880 --> 02:02:52,000
Speaker 1: trying to catch beavers there? There's not a lot of

2140
02:02:52,000 --> 02:02:55,280
Speaker 1: beavers where I'm at. Okay, So that's that's the problem,

2141
02:02:55,280 --> 02:02:57,200
Speaker 1: more than anything, is that you've got to be very

2142
02:02:57,360 --> 02:03:00,600
Speaker 1: conscious about. You know, I've always said where I'm at

2143
02:03:00,720 --> 02:03:02,680
Speaker 1: right now, if I wanted to, I could take two

2144
02:03:02,720 --> 02:03:06,240
Speaker 1: weeks and I could basically trap out my my area.

2145
02:03:06,440 --> 02:03:08,840
Speaker 1: And so I've got to be very conscious about how

2146
02:03:08,840 --> 02:03:11,120
Speaker 1: I trapped the beaver. I trapped far away from the house,

2147
02:03:11,480 --> 02:03:14,320
Speaker 1: trying to get the big, the big you know, parent

2148
02:03:14,360 --> 02:03:16,520
Speaker 1: beat far away from the beaver house. Yeah, because generally

2149
02:03:16,560 --> 02:03:19,080
Speaker 1: the further way you get from the house, you'll kind

2150
02:03:19,080 --> 02:03:22,120
Speaker 1: of keep yourself from catching the small kit beavers. They

2151
02:03:22,120 --> 02:03:24,760
Speaker 1: just don't travel as far. Uh. And then I just

2152
02:03:25,080 --> 02:03:26,880
Speaker 1: you know, once I go in, I'll take you know,

2153
02:03:27,000 --> 02:03:28,760
Speaker 1: two or three out of the house and then I'm done.

2154
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:30,600
Speaker 1: I'll leave it just to kind of have seed for

2155
02:03:30,680 --> 02:03:34,040
Speaker 1: next year. And that's just like how big is your

2156
02:03:34,080 --> 02:03:38,640
Speaker 1: trapping area. Like, so my trapping area is dictated a

2157
02:03:38,640 --> 02:03:41,160
Speaker 1: lot by my work, being that I work construction, so

2158
02:03:41,200 --> 02:03:44,120
Speaker 1: I have a giant range that I've worked over the years,

2159
02:03:44,160 --> 02:03:48,000
Speaker 1: and over the years I've set up sort of trap

2160
02:03:48,080 --> 02:03:51,680
Speaker 1: lines to correlate with where I'm working, you know, because

2161
02:03:51,680 --> 02:03:53,400
Speaker 1: I mean I'm working every day, so I want to

2162
02:03:53,440 --> 02:03:55,680
Speaker 1: be able to run the line on the way back

2163
02:03:55,680 --> 02:03:58,080
Speaker 1: home from work. You know, tell tell priority this, This

2164
02:03:58,160 --> 02:04:01,400
Speaker 1: will help them conceptualize it. Like if you tell them

2165
02:04:01,440 --> 02:04:05,800
Speaker 1: how many permissions permissions, how many permissions you maintain at

2166
02:04:05,720 --> 02:04:10,800
Speaker 1: any given time, between a hundred fifty landowner permission getting

2167
02:04:10,840 --> 02:04:14,520
Speaker 1: that many white tail permissions, it would never happen. Well,

2168
02:04:14,560 --> 02:04:16,760
Speaker 1: because that's the only way I can trap. So we

2169
02:04:16,840 --> 02:04:19,400
Speaker 1: have very We have no public land where I'm at.

2170
02:04:19,560 --> 02:04:23,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, he mad, but you don't give him your spiel. Yes,

2171
02:04:23,560 --> 02:04:27,320
Speaker 1: So I mean he walks up with traps and starts

2172
02:04:27,480 --> 02:04:30,839
Speaker 1: jamming his hands into him. Don't give him an education,

2173
02:04:30,960 --> 02:04:33,560
Speaker 1: you know, because I mean the first So in general,

2174
02:04:33,840 --> 02:04:37,560
Speaker 1: people are worried about their dogs. So in general, I'm

2175
02:04:37,600 --> 02:04:42,600
Speaker 1: gonna get nine knows to one yes, even for trapping permission. Yeah,

2176
02:04:42,600 --> 02:04:45,320
Speaker 1: that's people, don't they don't understand. They don't want you

2177
02:04:45,360 --> 02:04:47,080
Speaker 1: on it, which you know, it's their lands whatever, But

2178
02:04:47,120 --> 02:04:49,600
Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of my ratio is is nine

2179
02:04:49,600 --> 02:04:51,800
Speaker 1: knows to one yes. So you'll go up, you'll have

2180
02:04:51,800 --> 02:04:55,360
Speaker 1: a conversation with them. That's better than Spencer's white Tail

2181
02:04:55,480 --> 02:04:57,840
Speaker 1: ratio wasn't like a hundred and fifty and he got

2182
02:04:57,880 --> 02:05:03,120
Speaker 1: one or something. He got one a hundred and fifty letters.

2183
02:05:03,200 --> 02:05:07,879
Speaker 1: He got like an A plus. He was like grading.

2184
02:05:07,920 --> 02:05:11,080
Speaker 1: He got like an A plus, a couple of season

2185
02:05:11,120 --> 02:05:14,280
Speaker 1: a D minus. Anyway, go on, So no, I'll go

2186
02:05:14,360 --> 02:05:16,040
Speaker 1: up and try to, you know, more than anything, try

2187
02:05:16,040 --> 02:05:17,880
Speaker 1: to educate the people about trapping, because I mean a

2188
02:05:17,920 --> 02:05:19,320
Speaker 1: lot of people just don't know about it, you know.

2189
02:05:19,400 --> 02:05:21,560
Speaker 1: And then, like I said, then they have the illusion

2190
02:05:21,680 --> 02:05:23,840
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna go trap where you're gonna bring out

2191
02:05:23,840 --> 02:05:26,800
Speaker 1: a giant bear trap with teeth, you know, and and

2192
02:05:27,040 --> 02:05:29,400
Speaker 1: you know it's just not the case. So you know,

2193
02:05:29,440 --> 02:05:32,680
Speaker 1: if that fails, I'll normally get out traps and I'll hear,

2194
02:05:32,760 --> 02:05:35,320
Speaker 1: this is what I'm gonna use, and you know, nine

2195
02:05:35,320 --> 02:05:36,760
Speaker 1: times out of ten, I'll stick my hand in him

2196
02:05:36,800 --> 02:05:39,120
Speaker 1: and show, you know, I'm not losing fingers or breaking

2197
02:05:39,120 --> 02:05:42,000
Speaker 1: bones or anything. And you know for me where I'm at,

2198
02:05:42,080 --> 02:05:43,840
Speaker 1: because I do live in what I would consider a

2199
02:05:43,880 --> 02:05:47,760
Speaker 1: fairly populated area. Kind of last resort, I'll go to

2200
02:05:47,800 --> 02:05:51,600
Speaker 1: the dog proof traps, which if you not understand what

2201
02:05:51,640 --> 02:05:55,560
Speaker 1: a dog proof is, it's basically a cylinder and so

2202
02:05:55,680 --> 02:05:58,520
Speaker 1: like a coon of skunk apossum, they all have a

2203
02:05:58,520 --> 02:06:00,320
Speaker 1: lot of dexterity in their paws. They kind of have

2204
02:06:00,320 --> 02:06:02,600
Speaker 1: a hand, if you will. So with a dog proof trap,

2205
02:06:02,640 --> 02:06:05,760
Speaker 1: if you can picture about a three inch tube that's

2206
02:06:05,800 --> 02:06:08,440
Speaker 1: about an inch and a quarter in diameter and very

2207
02:06:08,440 --> 02:06:11,440
Speaker 1: bottom of it as a lever on it that you

2208
02:06:11,480 --> 02:06:14,080
Speaker 1: actually have to pull, as opposed to a foothold trap,

2209
02:06:14,360 --> 02:06:16,200
Speaker 1: where you know, the critter just puts his paw in

2210
02:06:16,200 --> 02:06:18,520
Speaker 1: it and then the jaws closed around. With these dog

2211
02:06:18,600 --> 02:06:23,120
Speaker 1: proof traps, the opening is small enough that that ideally

2212
02:06:23,360 --> 02:06:25,880
Speaker 1: a dog can't get his paw down in there, and

2213
02:06:25,880 --> 02:06:27,760
Speaker 1: you have to actually have dextery to pull up on

2214
02:06:27,800 --> 02:06:29,560
Speaker 1: that track. You can only catch things that could pick

2215
02:06:29,560 --> 02:06:33,080
Speaker 1: a lot pretty much. So I will use that as

2216
02:06:33,320 --> 02:06:36,120
Speaker 1: you know, kind of a last resort so to speak,

2217
02:06:36,120 --> 02:06:37,840
Speaker 1: to get permission, you know, and say hey, I can

2218
02:06:37,880 --> 02:06:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, with the right bait, I can trap around

2219
02:06:40,120 --> 02:06:42,720
Speaker 1: all your cats and you know, your farm dogs and

2220
02:06:42,760 --> 02:06:45,120
Speaker 1: everything like that, and sometimes that kind of seals the deal.

2221
02:06:45,360 --> 02:06:46,760
Speaker 1: If you have a hunter, let's say you had a

2222
02:06:47,800 --> 02:06:50,200
Speaker 1: how many you got like a hundred permissions? If you

2223
02:06:50,320 --> 02:06:53,120
Speaker 1: let's say that hundred permissions, how many those are dog

2224
02:06:53,160 --> 02:06:58,600
Speaker 1: proof only? I would say close to half. Huh, close

2225
02:06:58,640 --> 02:07:00,440
Speaker 1: to half. I mean that's the only way I can

2226
02:07:00,440 --> 02:07:02,000
Speaker 1: do it. And that's the reason I use so many

2227
02:07:02,000 --> 02:07:05,440
Speaker 1: dog proofs in my trapping is because you know, I've

2228
02:07:05,440 --> 02:07:07,080
Speaker 1: gotta do what I gotta do what I like. You

2229
02:07:07,160 --> 02:07:09,920
Speaker 1: can't do kyote work on those places. Can't do kyote work,

2230
02:07:10,000 --> 02:07:12,560
Speaker 1: can't set one and A have no two twenties. Have

2231
02:07:12,640 --> 02:07:18,000
Speaker 1: you had any luck like getting permission where like a

2232
02:07:18,200 --> 02:07:21,560
Speaker 1: hunting leases where they're like after white tails or turkeys

2233
02:07:21,640 --> 02:07:24,680
Speaker 1: or waterfowl because those guys want you coming into there's

2234
02:07:24,720 --> 02:07:28,240
Speaker 1: a few. Yeah, they want the predators gone. Um, you

2235
02:07:28,280 --> 02:07:31,440
Speaker 1: know which they always have stipulations though, I don't want

2236
02:07:31,440 --> 02:07:33,200
Speaker 1: you in here a week before season or you know,

2237
02:07:33,200 --> 02:07:35,400
Speaker 1: a week after season, and they want to really make

2238
02:07:35,440 --> 02:07:37,520
Speaker 1: you work for it, you know, which is at least

2239
02:07:37,520 --> 02:07:40,839
Speaker 1: in Illinois. You know, we've got a shotgun firearm season

2240
02:07:41,560 --> 02:07:45,600
Speaker 1: starting November. Every other weekend for a month and a half.

2241
02:07:45,640 --> 02:07:48,480
Speaker 1: So it makes it really difficult to work around, you know,

2242
02:07:48,520 --> 02:07:50,360
Speaker 1: so you've got to do a lot of planning and

2243
02:07:50,360 --> 02:07:51,840
Speaker 1: and different things like that to be able to work

2244
02:07:51,840 --> 02:07:54,600
Speaker 1: around and actually trap an area like that. Explain your

2245
02:07:54,880 --> 02:07:58,000
Speaker 1: we talked about otters today, Explain how it works for you,

2246
02:07:58,040 --> 02:08:00,760
Speaker 1: like in a regulatory sense when you talk about like

2247
02:08:01,080 --> 02:08:04,120
Speaker 1: you talk about like getting my honors, so to get

2248
02:08:04,200 --> 02:08:06,360
Speaker 1: my orders in Illinois, we got a season. I guess

2249
02:08:06,400 --> 02:08:10,680
Speaker 1: it was eight nine years ago or so by now, Uh,

2250
02:08:10,880 --> 02:08:13,280
Speaker 1: so I can go out in Illinois. I'm allowed five

2251
02:08:13,400 --> 02:08:17,320
Speaker 1: orders for my license, so I can go out and

2252
02:08:17,320 --> 02:08:20,000
Speaker 1: and target the order. Once I catch it, I make

2253
02:08:20,040 --> 02:08:22,240
Speaker 1: a phone call to the d n R and they

2254
02:08:22,280 --> 02:08:25,800
Speaker 1: send me a a site tag and then I tag

2255
02:08:25,880 --> 02:08:27,800
Speaker 1: that order wants it as a site tag on it,

2256
02:08:28,040 --> 02:08:34,240
Speaker 1: Then I'm good to sell it. And you every year

2257
02:08:34,320 --> 02:08:36,440
Speaker 1: can get five. I can get every yeah, every year.

2258
02:08:36,640 --> 02:08:38,400
Speaker 1: And what do you do with those five? I sell

2259
02:08:38,480 --> 02:08:41,800
Speaker 1: them to taxidermy trade or fur trade. I sell a

2260
02:08:41,880 --> 02:08:44,160
Speaker 1: couple every year to taxidermy, but the majority of them

2261
02:08:44,160 --> 02:08:47,560
Speaker 1: goes to fur trade. Normally I can find somebody local

2262
02:08:47,640 --> 02:08:49,720
Speaker 1: that wants I'm as a wall hanger that I could

2263
02:08:49,760 --> 02:08:51,800
Speaker 1: sell them to, you know, because we're only dealing with five.

2264
02:08:51,920 --> 02:08:54,680
Speaker 1: So it comes and goes back in the day. You know,

2265
02:08:54,720 --> 02:08:58,920
Speaker 1: I was selling them back in the day again, you know,

2266
02:08:58,960 --> 02:09:00,520
Speaker 1: there's more money and so on them at the fur

2267
02:09:00,560 --> 02:09:02,960
Speaker 1: trade than it was selling them local. But what was

2268
02:09:03,000 --> 02:09:04,760
Speaker 1: the highest and otter Pelt went for it that you

2269
02:09:04,760 --> 02:09:08,240
Speaker 1: can remember in terms of your furbroom. I remember selling

2270
02:09:08,240 --> 02:09:11,440
Speaker 1: a couple for fifty bucks, So I mean nothing crazy,

2271
02:09:11,720 --> 02:09:14,240
Speaker 1: you know, which whenever you're looking at a fifty dollar

2272
02:09:14,320 --> 02:09:15,840
Speaker 1: or you're looking at a huge critter, you know, you

2273
02:09:15,840 --> 02:09:17,680
Speaker 1: feel like you should be getting more for him anyway,

2274
02:09:17,800 --> 02:09:20,560
Speaker 1: you know. But so how is it that you wand

2275
02:09:20,640 --> 02:09:23,880
Speaker 1: up deciding to do like all the instructional videos. Did

2276
02:09:23,880 --> 02:09:25,240
Speaker 1: you do it as a way to like did you

2277
02:09:25,240 --> 02:09:28,040
Speaker 1: think it would be a way to make money? No? No,

2278
02:09:28,160 --> 02:09:31,440
Speaker 1: because there's there's no money in it. But there's no

2279
02:09:31,520 --> 02:09:34,640
Speaker 1: money just making YouTube videos not for me, because YouTube

2280
02:09:34,720 --> 02:09:36,640
Speaker 1: so restricted and you don't have and you don't have

2281
02:09:36,760 --> 02:09:39,960
Speaker 1: you don't sell equipment or anything. No. No, so YouTube

2282
02:09:40,080 --> 02:09:43,040
Speaker 1: so restricted on their stuff that you know, everybody hears

2283
02:09:43,040 --> 02:09:48,320
Speaker 1: about monetization of videos, and my content is not monetization,

2284
02:09:48,800 --> 02:09:52,120
Speaker 1: you know, the YouTube won't let you monetize your videos,

2285
02:09:52,320 --> 02:09:55,880
Speaker 1: or YouTube won't monetize because of my content because they

2286
02:09:55,880 --> 02:09:58,720
Speaker 1: feel that it's it's like an animal cruelty issue, and

2287
02:09:58,760 --> 02:10:00,960
Speaker 1: there's a fine line you to play. You know, YouTube

2288
02:10:01,000 --> 02:10:03,200
Speaker 1: is huge with blood. You know you can't show blood,

2289
02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:06,160
Speaker 1: and you know there's a strike rule too, so you're

2290
02:10:06,200 --> 02:10:08,840
Speaker 1: always kind of walking that fine line of you know,

2291
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Speaker 1: even if this is demonetized per se, I've still gotta

2292
02:10:12,480 --> 02:10:14,880
Speaker 1: not get a strike on my channel because then they

2293
02:10:14,880 --> 02:10:16,360
Speaker 1: could just you could wake up one morning and it

2294
02:10:16,400 --> 02:10:18,360
Speaker 1: could just be done. You know. But you've never lost

2295
02:10:18,360 --> 02:10:20,920
Speaker 1: your channel, never lost my channel. I've had two strikes before.

2296
02:10:21,240 --> 02:10:24,120
Speaker 1: And you're telling me that too, that YouTube's policy makes

2297
02:10:24,120 --> 02:10:27,600
Speaker 1: it that you're afraid to like redo and make new

2298
02:10:27,760 --> 02:10:31,120
Speaker 1: versions of your high performing videos. Correct. Yeah, yeah, so

2299
02:10:31,160 --> 02:10:33,120
Speaker 1: a lot of my videos, which I guess to kind

2300
02:10:33,120 --> 02:10:36,360
Speaker 1: of get back to your initial questions. So we're talking

2301
02:10:36,440 --> 02:10:39,480
Speaker 1: back back in the day. Um, this was ten years ago.

2302
02:10:39,520 --> 02:10:41,200
Speaker 1: I've been doing YouTube now for this is my tenth

2303
02:10:41,280 --> 02:10:45,440
Speaker 1: here doing it, and uh, which kind of correlates right

2304
02:10:45,480 --> 02:10:48,560
Speaker 1: with the middle of the last fur boom. And I've

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02:10:48,560 --> 02:10:50,160
Speaker 1: been trapping for a few years, you know, and I've

2306
02:10:50,160 --> 02:10:52,320
Speaker 1: been putting on my fur and you know, not to

2307
02:10:52,360 --> 02:10:53,840
Speaker 1: pat myself on the back, but I mean I kind

2308
02:10:53,840 --> 02:10:55,760
Speaker 1: of felt like I knew what I was doing. And

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02:10:55,800 --> 02:10:57,400
Speaker 1: I remember, like what was Rick was saying. You go

2310
02:10:57,480 --> 02:10:59,640
Speaker 1: up to the NAFA truck, you know, and you're sitting

2311
02:10:59,640 --> 02:11:02,560
Speaker 1: there and it standing there, and you know, of course

2312
02:11:02,800 --> 02:11:04,520
Speaker 1: during a fur boom, you've got a lot of new

2313
02:11:04,560 --> 02:11:06,640
Speaker 1: guys coming in. You know that that aren't there because

2314
02:11:06,640 --> 02:11:09,960
Speaker 1: they're just there for the money. And red fox are

2315
02:11:10,040 --> 02:11:13,000
Speaker 1: pretty rare around my area, you know, not very common.

2316
02:11:13,800 --> 02:11:17,600
Speaker 1: And at this time, you know, ten years ago, there

2317
02:11:17,640 --> 02:11:19,920
Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of literature out there about trapping. You know,

2318
02:11:20,000 --> 02:11:22,840
Speaker 1: you were fur fishing game, you were trappers, but there

2319
02:11:22,880 --> 02:11:24,520
Speaker 1: was just a few magazines, you know, but for the

2320
02:11:24,520 --> 02:11:26,840
Speaker 1: most part, there wasn't a lot of information out there.

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02:11:27,400 --> 02:11:30,320
Speaker 1: It was kind of secretive. Really. I remember walking up

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02:11:30,320 --> 02:11:33,600
Speaker 1: to the NAFFA truck and there was this guy and

2323
02:11:33,640 --> 02:11:36,040
Speaker 1: he must have found a pocket or red fox, which

2324
02:11:36,080 --> 02:11:37,920
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, around my are is pretty rare,

2325
02:11:38,520 --> 02:11:40,240
Speaker 1: and he had him hanging there and he didn't have

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02:11:40,280 --> 02:11:42,200
Speaker 1: an alfa back because it was the first year and

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02:11:42,280 --> 02:11:45,440
Speaker 1: those things were just butchered. I mean, they you could

2328
02:11:45,440 --> 02:11:47,440
Speaker 1: just tell the guy did not know what he was doing.

2329
02:11:47,840 --> 02:11:51,040
Speaker 1: And I remember that I told myself. I was like, well,

2330
02:11:51,400 --> 02:11:52,960
Speaker 1: I could do this. I could. I could put out

2331
02:11:53,520 --> 02:11:56,280
Speaker 1: content you know that people could could view and put

2332
02:11:56,360 --> 02:11:58,240
Speaker 1: up there their fur right, you know, because I feel

2333
02:11:58,240 --> 02:12:00,240
Speaker 1: like you're gonna take the animally, might as well do

2334
02:12:00,320 --> 02:12:02,640
Speaker 1: it justice and put it up right. And it was

2335
02:12:02,680 --> 02:12:04,880
Speaker 1: actually that night I went home, made a YouTube channel.

2336
02:12:04,920 --> 02:12:09,000
Speaker 1: And then that following season, Yeah, that following I was

2337
02:12:09,040 --> 02:12:11,560
Speaker 1: the first thing you launched on it. I was hunting

2338
02:12:11,560 --> 02:12:14,600
Speaker 1: with my coonhound because the season was still in the

2339
02:12:14,640 --> 02:12:16,720
Speaker 1: season was still in for that. So that was the

2340
02:12:16,720 --> 02:12:19,600
Speaker 1: first video I ever uploaded. Was was hunting with my coonhound.

2341
02:12:20,400 --> 02:12:24,680
Speaker 1: And then that following year, uh, that following trapping season,

2342
02:12:24,760 --> 02:12:27,680
Speaker 1: I started with the for handling videos, and I did

2343
02:12:27,880 --> 02:12:29,880
Speaker 1: for handling videos on them just about all the all

2344
02:12:29,920 --> 02:12:33,320
Speaker 1: the critters in my area from you know, the processes

2345
02:12:33,440 --> 02:12:35,760
Speaker 1: catching them, skinning them, fleshing. I'm stretching them, the whole deal.

2346
02:12:35,880 --> 02:12:38,280
Speaker 1: So and and talk about why you can't why you

2347
02:12:38,320 --> 02:12:40,760
Speaker 1: don't want to redo them. So I've tried to redo

2348
02:12:40,800 --> 02:12:43,280
Speaker 1: them a couple of times, and every time I upload them,

2349
02:12:43,360 --> 02:12:46,800
Speaker 1: they very quickly get demonetized, which sucks because you know,

2350
02:12:46,920 --> 02:12:50,000
Speaker 1: they find it because it's new, Yeah, because YouTube finds it.

2351
02:12:50,040 --> 02:12:52,960
Speaker 1: Because so all my old videos are demonetized anyway, but

2352
02:12:53,040 --> 02:12:55,600
Speaker 1: they're still up there, so it's not like they can

2353
02:12:55,880 --> 02:12:58,120
Speaker 1: strike me on them. You know, they've already demonetized them,

2354
02:12:58,120 --> 02:13:01,120
Speaker 1: but new videos, so they don't go strike you about

2355
02:13:01,120 --> 02:13:04,000
Speaker 1: ten year old stuff. No. I woke up one morning

2356
02:13:04,000 --> 02:13:06,640
Speaker 1: a few years ago and I had like seventy five

2357
02:13:06,760 --> 02:13:10,880
Speaker 1: videos that were all demonetized, and I had a strike overnight. Yeah,

2358
02:13:11,200 --> 02:13:13,520
Speaker 1: it's just all yellow on my on my page. They

2359
02:13:13,600 --> 02:13:17,440
Speaker 1: hit me hard. I couldn't I couldn't upload for fifteen,

2360
02:13:17,480 --> 02:13:19,480
Speaker 1: fifteen or twenty days. I can't remember what it was.

2361
02:13:19,480 --> 02:13:22,960
Speaker 1: They like banned me from it. So yeah, no, I've

2362
02:13:23,000 --> 02:13:25,320
Speaker 1: tried in the past because I said, obviously I didn't

2363
02:13:25,320 --> 02:13:26,880
Speaker 1: know what the hell I was doing back then. You know,

2364
02:13:26,920 --> 02:13:29,200
Speaker 1: I had a borrowed camera that I set up in

2365
02:13:29,280 --> 02:13:31,400
Speaker 1: my shop, you know. And do you ever think about

2366
02:13:31,440 --> 02:13:34,520
Speaker 1: doing what's that called? Were you like a lot of

2367
02:13:34,560 --> 02:13:38,000
Speaker 1: podcasts are doing it Patreon? Right, have you ever thought

2368
02:13:38,000 --> 02:13:41,640
Speaker 1: about trying to do a fur handling thing? Um, a

2369
02:13:41,640 --> 02:13:45,880
Speaker 1: fur handling series like Patreon where people just donate like

2370
02:13:45,920 --> 02:13:48,160
Speaker 1: people just come in and view and donate a little money.

2371
02:13:48,600 --> 02:13:52,080
Speaker 1: So I actually do have a Patreon I and I've

2372
02:13:52,120 --> 02:13:56,920
Speaker 1: tried it. The problem is, especially nowadays, YouTube is where

2373
02:13:56,920 --> 02:14:01,240
Speaker 1: the traffic is I understand. So you the video streaming

2374
02:14:01,240 --> 02:14:04,080
Speaker 1: service on the plan. So you've got to have that

2375
02:14:04,160 --> 02:14:07,960
Speaker 1: audience in that draw to be able to So if

2376
02:14:07,960 --> 02:14:09,520
Speaker 1: you do on yourself, you're just never gonna people are

2377
02:14:09,560 --> 02:14:11,640
Speaker 1: gonna find it. You're gonna go find something find and

2378
02:14:11,960 --> 02:14:14,640
Speaker 1: very few people I mean especially now. You know, back

2379
02:14:14,640 --> 02:14:17,320
Speaker 1: then I was one of the first people. I was

2380
02:14:17,320 --> 02:14:20,120
Speaker 1: putting out trapping content, you know, and and that kind

2381
02:14:20,120 --> 02:14:23,040
Speaker 1: of content. Now everybody and the Brothers got a channel.

2382
02:14:23,120 --> 02:14:26,240
Speaker 1: You know, they're putting out the content. So people aren't

2383
02:14:26,240 --> 02:14:29,200
Speaker 1: gonna go pay to watch something that you know, they

2384
02:14:29,200 --> 02:14:31,920
Speaker 1: can just go right down the search bar and go

2385
02:14:32,000 --> 02:14:34,720
Speaker 1: search too. So it's tough. You know, you're in a

2386
02:14:34,760 --> 02:14:38,760
Speaker 1: real pickle. Pickle, Yeah, but it's been fun. Can they

2387
02:14:38,800 --> 02:14:43,440
Speaker 1: just still support though? Anyway? Yeah, I've got to pay

2388
02:14:43,920 --> 02:14:47,480
Speaker 1: be set up for it. But I mean it doesn't

2389
02:14:47,520 --> 02:14:49,280
Speaker 1: have a lot of traffic that goes towards it. Like

2390
02:14:49,320 --> 02:14:54,560
Speaker 1: I said, huh, some people it just searched con Creek

2391
02:14:54,560 --> 02:14:59,440
Speaker 1: Outdoors on on Patreon, but you won't find it through YouTube. No, No,

2392
02:14:59,560 --> 02:15:02,000
Speaker 1: it's and a link underneath all my videos. So if

2393
02:15:02,000 --> 02:15:04,000
Speaker 1: people are out there to listen to this that like

2394
02:15:04,080 --> 02:15:07,120
Speaker 1: Stue Miller's Coon Creek Outdoors for handling and trapping videos,

2395
02:15:07,160 --> 02:15:09,600
Speaker 1: they would need to go to Patreon and then find

2396
02:15:09,680 --> 02:15:12,320
Speaker 1: you there and give you a little jingle. Yeah, that's

2397
02:15:12,360 --> 02:15:14,040
Speaker 1: one way to support, you know. I feel like that's

2398
02:15:14,040 --> 02:15:15,840
Speaker 1: why I'm gonna give you all that beaver cast, because

2399
02:15:15,880 --> 02:15:19,080
Speaker 1: I haven't been in that page to pay you. There's

2400
02:15:19,120 --> 02:15:20,960
Speaker 1: not there's not a lot there, and I don't honestly,

2401
02:15:20,960 --> 02:15:23,040
Speaker 1: I don't post a lot of videos there simply just

2402
02:15:23,080 --> 02:15:27,200
Speaker 1: because the traffic there is not justifiable to all the

2403
02:15:27,200 --> 02:15:30,080
Speaker 1: work that goes into it. But no, it's like I said, I,

2404
02:15:30,440 --> 02:15:32,480
Speaker 1: you don't do it for the money, you know, just

2405
02:15:32,640 --> 02:15:35,360
Speaker 1: like Rick probably knows. You know, you don't trap for

2406
02:15:35,360 --> 02:15:36,920
Speaker 1: the money either, not right now. I mean you can

2407
02:15:37,000 --> 02:15:40,040
Speaker 1: trap for the heritage and the sport of it, you know.

2408
02:15:40,280 --> 02:15:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah that romantic Yeah, it just drips the roman you know,

2409
02:15:45,200 --> 02:15:48,640
Speaker 1: you're all about traditional practices and trapping is one of

2410
02:15:48,680 --> 02:15:52,400
Speaker 1: the oldest. You know, it drips the romance. Yeah, that's

2411
02:15:52,400 --> 02:15:53,600
Speaker 1: all I wanted to read about when I was a

2412
02:15:53,680 --> 02:15:55,800
Speaker 1: kid man, because kids want to go live out in

2413
02:15:55,840 --> 02:15:57,680
Speaker 1: the woods and make the living off the woods. And

2414
02:15:57,720 --> 02:15:59,640
Speaker 1: I didn't know about writing. I thought you had to

2415
02:15:59,640 --> 02:16:03,480
Speaker 1: do it through trapping. What was I am for a surprise?

2416
02:16:07,080 --> 02:16:10,480
Speaker 1: Do you ever do uh any uh like road trip

2417
02:16:10,600 --> 02:16:13,680
Speaker 1: trapping vacations for stuff you don't get to trap for

2418
02:16:13,920 --> 02:16:16,400
Speaker 1: this year near home? This was my first year. Yeah,

2419
02:16:16,680 --> 02:16:19,840
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, the one to me, Stu came out

2420
02:16:19,840 --> 02:16:23,640
Speaker 1: and me and Rick and Stu uh got abused out

2421
02:16:23,640 --> 02:16:27,880
Speaker 1: in the that was that was a hard, hard trip.

2422
02:16:27,920 --> 02:16:30,560
Speaker 1: But no, that's a tough road to home. Podcast is

2423
02:16:30,600 --> 02:16:34,120
Speaker 1: not from that trip, is no, No, definitely not. No.

2424
02:16:34,240 --> 02:16:36,119
Speaker 1: That is one thing that YouTube has given me. It's

2425
02:16:36,160 --> 02:16:38,800
Speaker 1: it's let me meet people, go places and do things

2426
02:16:38,800 --> 02:16:40,520
Speaker 1: that I would never been able to do. You know,

2427
02:16:40,959 --> 02:16:45,680
Speaker 1: So plug your plug your hunting fishing channel. So if

2428
02:16:45,720 --> 02:16:47,520
Speaker 1: you want to check me out, you can search Coon

2429
02:16:47,600 --> 02:16:50,320
Speaker 1: Creek Outdoors. That's where the good stuff is. That's where

2430
02:16:50,360 --> 02:16:52,800
Speaker 1: the gold is. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's where I put

2431
02:16:52,879 --> 02:16:55,080
Speaker 1: up all my content. When I say the gold, that's

2432
02:16:55,080 --> 02:16:57,560
Speaker 1: where like the stuff that like, Um, I shouldn't say

2433
02:16:57,560 --> 02:16:59,720
Speaker 1: that cause I want to hack on yourself saying that's

2434
02:16:59,760 --> 02:17:04,560
Speaker 1: where like like you excel um at like a skill

2435
02:17:04,600 --> 02:17:08,040
Speaker 1: set that's not widely known, and like the fur handling

2436
02:17:08,800 --> 02:17:13,160
Speaker 1: trapping information like to me is like there's I don't

2437
02:17:13,160 --> 02:17:16,200
Speaker 1: think there's anyone When I want to know something, I'm

2438
02:17:16,200 --> 02:17:18,480
Speaker 1: gonna go look at that. I appreciate that, you know

2439
02:17:18,600 --> 02:17:21,240
Speaker 1: that means a lot. But yeah, I pride myself on

2440
02:17:21,240 --> 02:17:23,640
Speaker 1: on the put up and the fur handling side of it.

2441
02:17:23,720 --> 02:17:26,200
Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, there's nothing special about what

2442
02:17:26,360 --> 02:17:28,000
Speaker 1: I do, you know. I mean I'm not the best

2443
02:17:28,080 --> 02:17:30,199
Speaker 1: trapper and I'm not the best of putting up stuff.

2444
02:17:30,240 --> 02:17:31,960
Speaker 1: But you made a boat from scratch. I made a

2445
02:17:32,000 --> 02:17:33,920
Speaker 1: boat from Yeah. I came across the video at one

2446
02:17:33,920 --> 02:17:38,519
Speaker 1: time looking up just like looking up boat stuff on YouTube. Yeah,

2447
02:17:38,760 --> 02:17:41,800
Speaker 1: well welded a boat because he likes to fish, catfish.

2448
02:17:41,800 --> 02:17:43,959
Speaker 1: He likes fish crappy, so he weld it up a

2449
02:17:44,080 --> 02:17:49,120
Speaker 1: catfish crappy combo boat, Sweet che On. That's on my

2450
02:17:49,160 --> 02:17:52,600
Speaker 1: main chapel, Conker Outdoors. Okay, tell peopleout the other channel though,

2451
02:17:52,760 --> 02:17:56,520
Speaker 1: So I've got another channel branched off of my main

2452
02:17:56,600 --> 02:17:58,760
Speaker 1: channel simply because the audience just wasn't there. But I've

2453
02:17:58,760 --> 02:18:00,800
Speaker 1: got a fish and channel that I do a lot

2454
02:18:00,800 --> 02:18:02,680
Speaker 1: of content on in summer. It's a couple of years

2455
02:18:02,720 --> 02:18:05,440
Speaker 1: old now called Total Angling Experience. And that's that's where

2456
02:18:05,440 --> 02:18:08,520
Speaker 1: I'm slowly trying to put all my fishing content and

2457
02:18:08,600 --> 02:18:11,320
Speaker 1: you know, educational side electronics and different things like that.

2458
02:18:11,320 --> 02:18:13,680
Speaker 1: Because you like, you like cats, like cats, and like

2459
02:18:13,760 --> 02:18:16,480
Speaker 1: crop That's that's what I fished for home. So cats

2460
02:18:16,480 --> 02:18:20,720
Speaker 1: and croppies speaking, if you're interested in that kind of stuff, yeah,

2461
02:18:20,760 --> 02:18:24,680
Speaker 1: that's I don't bass fish, so catfish and croppies where

2462
02:18:24,680 --> 02:18:26,879
Speaker 1: I'm at. I think that everyone out there needs to

2463
02:18:26,920 --> 02:18:30,640
Speaker 1: send stum Miller a few pounds of beaver castor or

2464
02:18:30,959 --> 02:18:33,920
Speaker 1: go to the Patreon deal and throw a little jingle

2465
02:18:33,959 --> 02:18:37,080
Speaker 1: this guy's way. Well, you're you're your fishing stuff is

2466
02:18:37,120 --> 02:18:40,800
Speaker 1: probably not demonetized, right, Fishing stuff is not demonetized. That's

2467
02:18:40,840 --> 02:18:43,560
Speaker 1: that's another reason, you know, I wanted to have kind

2468
02:18:43,560 --> 02:18:46,240
Speaker 1: of a backup, if you will, you know, just because

2469
02:18:46,520 --> 02:18:48,520
Speaker 1: all the problems with YouTube, you know, I mean, there's

2470
02:18:48,680 --> 02:18:51,400
Speaker 1: there's a huge deal right now with just kind of

2471
02:18:51,440 --> 02:18:54,800
Speaker 1: all the outdoor community with YouTube, you know, kind of

2472
02:18:54,840 --> 02:18:57,640
Speaker 1: demonetizing and picking what they want to see. Man a

2473
02:18:57,640 --> 02:19:01,080
Speaker 1: conversation we have all the time is how can you

2474
02:19:01,200 --> 02:19:06,840
Speaker 1: come in and, ah, how could you come in and

2475
02:19:06,879 --> 02:19:11,840
Speaker 1: create an alternative for outdoor How could you come in

2476
02:19:11,879 --> 02:19:17,240
Speaker 1: and create an an alternative for outdoor pursuits that would

2477
02:19:17,280 --> 02:19:19,760
Speaker 1: get that you would build up so big that it

2478
02:19:19,800 --> 02:19:22,480
Speaker 1: would actually have traffic, would be a reliable place to

2479
02:19:22,520 --> 02:19:26,400
Speaker 1: go look. But it's like YouTube is so that the

2480
02:19:26,560 --> 02:19:29,440
Speaker 1: most it's where all the traffic is, you know. I mean,

2481
02:19:29,560 --> 02:19:31,040
Speaker 1: you want to know something, you search it on you

2482
02:19:31,080 --> 02:19:33,480
Speaker 1: think I don't know what it is. Every minute, four

2483
02:19:33,600 --> 02:19:36,039
Speaker 1: hundred hours of stuff gets up volded to YouTube or

2484
02:19:36,040 --> 02:19:40,560
Speaker 1: something like that. YouTube is a Google company, aren't they?

2485
02:19:42,200 --> 02:19:45,520
Speaker 1: Man like if somehow? But it's it's almost like it's

2486
02:19:45,520 --> 02:19:48,680
Speaker 1: like the Q tip thing. It's just YouTube's not even

2487
02:19:48,920 --> 02:19:51,720
Speaker 1: it's just where do you find information? It's not it's

2488
02:19:51,760 --> 02:19:55,800
Speaker 1: a It's bigger than just seeing I feel like socially now, No,

2489
02:19:55,959 --> 02:20:00,840
Speaker 1: we launched, we put every day every day our company.

2490
02:20:00,959 --> 02:20:03,680
Speaker 1: We put material on YouTube every day, like I'm not

2491
02:20:03,720 --> 02:20:06,760
Speaker 1: hacking on it. But what I don't like is I

2492
02:20:06,800 --> 02:20:10,359
Speaker 1: don't like the hostility to the hostility to the disciplines.

2493
02:20:10,720 --> 02:20:13,600
Speaker 1: It's like uncertainty in that environment, right, you never know

2494
02:20:13,680 --> 02:20:17,840
Speaker 1: what's going to happen like putting out that kind of content. Yeah, yeah,

2495
02:20:17,840 --> 02:20:19,480
Speaker 1: they can take it. They can take it away from

2496
02:20:19,480 --> 02:20:23,199
Speaker 1: you tomorrow if they really want, without any questions. Because

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Speaker 1: their platforms, so you know, as much as you want

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02:20:25,760 --> 02:20:27,640
Speaker 1: to be on their love it or right it, you

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02:20:27,680 --> 02:20:30,240
Speaker 1: still got played by their rules. I do want to

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02:20:30,240 --> 02:20:34,600
Speaker 1: say just is a very humble person. But I started

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02:20:34,600 --> 02:20:37,800
Speaker 1: trapping right around the time student and Just. I love

2502
02:20:37,840 --> 02:20:40,200
Speaker 1: old trapping books, but there's a lot of times I

2503
02:20:40,240 --> 02:20:42,520
Speaker 1: read that where I'm like, yeah, someone's gonna have to

2504
02:20:42,560 --> 02:20:46,879
Speaker 1: show me how to actually do that, like ses or

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02:20:46,959 --> 02:20:49,160
Speaker 1: the black and white photos that are so horrible on

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02:20:49,200 --> 02:20:52,720
Speaker 1: my I was gonna ask to like how, Like where'd

2507
02:20:52,760 --> 02:20:54,640
Speaker 1: you learn it all? How did you get good at it?

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02:20:54,959 --> 02:20:57,560
Speaker 1: I was self taught for the most part everything, you know,

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02:20:57,560 --> 02:21:00,000
Speaker 1: because like I said, I did learn a lot um

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02:21:00,240 --> 02:21:02,560
Speaker 1: for fishing game. I've had a subscription to them forever,

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02:21:03,000 --> 02:21:05,800
Speaker 1: and there was a lot of educational stuff then a

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02:21:05,840 --> 02:21:08,000
Speaker 1: lot was just trial and error. I thought Trapper and

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02:21:08,000 --> 02:21:11,200
Speaker 1: Predator Collar blew fur fishing game away on instructional that

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02:21:11,480 --> 02:21:15,200
Speaker 1: you think. So when I was a kid, fur fishing

2515
02:21:15,240 --> 02:21:18,480
Speaker 1: game was more fun to read, but instructional I mean

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02:21:18,520 --> 02:21:21,400
Speaker 1: a lot of it. And like like Rick said, you know,

2517
02:21:21,480 --> 02:21:23,240
Speaker 1: you can read and you can watch somebody do it,

2518
02:21:23,280 --> 02:21:24,959
Speaker 1: but a lot of us just getting out there and

2519
02:21:25,000 --> 02:21:27,119
Speaker 1: doing it trial and error. You know, there's a lot

2520
02:21:27,160 --> 02:21:30,800
Speaker 1: of real rough DVDs out there that will get you by.

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02:21:31,640 --> 02:21:34,640
Speaker 1: I appreciate your channel, though. You kind of one thing

2522
02:21:34,800 --> 02:21:37,400
Speaker 1: and we talked about what we were trapping, was you

2523
02:21:37,400 --> 02:21:40,080
Speaker 1: you cut through the bullshit pretty well because I went

2524
02:21:40,120 --> 02:21:42,920
Speaker 1: down rabbit holes on like Trapperman Forum and stuff where

2525
02:21:42,920 --> 02:21:44,879
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, I gotta I gotta wear

2526
02:21:44,920 --> 02:21:49,080
Speaker 1: it has matt suit. So when you're making a set,

2527
02:21:49,120 --> 02:21:51,240
Speaker 1: you need to squint your left and your left hand

2528
02:21:51,280 --> 02:21:54,720
Speaker 1: and I you know, I guess the work. I got

2529
02:21:54,800 --> 02:21:57,200
Speaker 1: so wound up on that. And your channel is really good.

2530
02:21:57,200 --> 02:22:00,200
Speaker 1: It cuts through it and it's so yeah, everyone, don't

2531
02:22:00,200 --> 02:22:04,240
Speaker 1: you go subscribe to Con't Creek Outdoors. And I appreciate that. No,

2532
02:22:04,520 --> 02:22:05,879
Speaker 1: that means a lot. And like I said, you know,

2533
02:22:05,879 --> 02:22:07,720
Speaker 1: a lot of guys are just out there to make content.

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02:22:07,800 --> 02:22:10,640
Speaker 1: But like so, I mean, it doesn't take a lot

2535
02:22:10,640 --> 02:22:13,480
Speaker 1: of people overthink trapping. They really do. Like you said,

2536
02:22:13,480 --> 02:22:15,160
Speaker 1: they go down a rabbit hole and they got to

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02:22:15,200 --> 02:22:17,600
Speaker 1: be this and nine inches sit back and four inches

2538
02:22:17,680 --> 02:22:21,200
Speaker 1: over and this, that and the other. You know, there's

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02:22:21,959 --> 02:22:25,680
Speaker 1: whenever you really break it down, there's there's a few

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02:22:25,680 --> 02:22:27,640
Speaker 1: simple things that you gotta do to be able to

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02:22:27,680 --> 02:22:30,040
Speaker 1: be successful at it. And once you have those few

2542
02:22:30,040 --> 02:22:34,800
Speaker 1: fundamentals down, you're golden. I want to just touch on

2543
02:22:34,800 --> 02:22:36,840
Speaker 1: one of the things you taught me that I walked

2544
02:22:36,840 --> 02:22:40,760
Speaker 1: away from our little trip with that I ignored very much,

2545
02:22:41,040 --> 02:22:43,440
Speaker 1: and I think it's that romantic little side of it.

2546
02:22:43,560 --> 02:22:45,600
Speaker 1: You were like set on sign and every time we

2547
02:22:45,640 --> 02:22:48,360
Speaker 1: came to a picture perfect area, you were like, well,

2548
02:22:48,400 --> 02:22:50,320
Speaker 1: is there a sign here? Because if there's not, we're

2549
02:22:50,320 --> 02:22:55,320
Speaker 1: not putting trap. And it hit me such a reality checks, like, man,

2550
02:22:55,360 --> 02:22:59,039
Speaker 1: I put traps in areas like this is what the

2551
02:22:59,120 --> 02:23:01,560
Speaker 1: manual tone to do. This is what that little book

2552
02:23:01,760 --> 02:23:03,840
Speaker 1: told me, and this is perfect. I don't see any

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02:23:03,959 --> 02:23:05,880
Speaker 1: sign here, but I'm gonna put a set here. And

2554
02:23:06,000 --> 02:23:09,480
Speaker 1: these animals are so dumb they don't know they're supposed

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02:23:09,520 --> 02:23:13,480
Speaker 1: to be. Uh So, just something like that, Yeah, I

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02:23:13,480 --> 02:23:16,160
Speaker 1: took away from that stew and yeah, so no, you

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02:23:16,240 --> 02:23:18,200
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta be setting where the critters are, you know,

2558
02:23:18,400 --> 02:23:21,119
Speaker 1: and a lot of people I'm trying to catch kyotes

2559
02:23:21,120 --> 02:23:22,800
Speaker 1: and I can't catch because everybody gets a heart on

2560
02:23:22,840 --> 02:23:26,000
Speaker 1: for kyotes, right, Like that's like kind of the pinnacle predator.

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02:23:26,120 --> 02:23:28,280
Speaker 1: You know, well, if you're gonna catch a kyle, you

2562
02:23:28,360 --> 02:23:30,680
Speaker 1: gotta be where a kyo it is. You know, you

2563
02:23:30,800 --> 02:23:33,600
Speaker 1: gotta be where he's gonna travel. And you know, it's

2564
02:23:33,640 --> 02:23:35,720
Speaker 1: the same thing with a lot of things we're doing

2565
02:23:35,720 --> 02:23:38,560
Speaker 1: in the outdoors, like fishing. You gotta be fishing where

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02:23:38,560 --> 02:23:40,920
Speaker 1: the fish are. And yeah, I mean it's easy set

2567
02:23:41,080 --> 02:23:43,480
Speaker 1: you know, you can say that and people like, of course,

2568
02:23:43,600 --> 02:23:48,240
Speaker 1: but you gotta put your time in scouting, and sure

2569
02:23:48,280 --> 02:23:50,520
Speaker 1: there's a lot of you're not setting where you want

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02:23:50,560 --> 02:23:56,000
Speaker 1: them to be. It's do you do social media too? Yeah,

2571
02:23:56,040 --> 02:23:58,800
Speaker 1: a little bit. I got Facebook, Instagram, So tell people

2572
02:23:58,800 --> 02:24:01,640
Speaker 1: where that's at. Conkerg out Wars. It's all you need

2573
02:24:01,680 --> 02:24:03,760
Speaker 1: to remember. Coon Creek Outdoors as simple as it gets.

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02:24:04,120 --> 02:24:06,800
Speaker 1: Let's say you fella has a Kyle, they're out deer hunting.

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02:24:07,560 --> 02:24:10,040
Speaker 1: Here comes a beautiful cow run along. They're like, man,

2576
02:24:10,040 --> 02:24:13,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hang that sucker on my wall. What do

2577
02:24:13,200 --> 02:24:16,280
Speaker 1: you do? Go to Coon Creek Outdoors you can find

2578
02:24:16,360 --> 02:24:19,160
Speaker 1: videos of how to set the traps, skin and flesh,

2579
02:24:19,200 --> 02:24:22,840
Speaker 1: and I've got videos on tanning for home use and

2580
02:24:22,959 --> 02:24:25,680
Speaker 1: garment use everything else. So remember send him a pound

2581
02:24:25,680 --> 02:24:31,680
Speaker 1: of castor or go to what's it called not Pantheon patrion,

2582
02:24:33,720 --> 02:24:39,640
Speaker 1: don't go there? Who stude? Thanks for coming out, man,

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02:24:39,680 --> 02:24:42,400
Speaker 1: No appreciate. It's been a blast. Man, it's been awesome.

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02:24:42,640 --> 02:24:46,000
Speaker 1: Speaking of wall hanger coyotes. You know what you're doing next.

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02:24:46,160 --> 02:24:50,800
Speaker 1: Now we're doing stuff going over to my garage, all right, man,

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much,