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Speaker 1: he's just reading the blocking schemes or getting out into coverage.

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Speaker 1: Those are things that you really can't teach. Now they

427
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Speaker 1: can improve on some things obviously the NFL when it

428
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Speaker 1: comes to coverages, they're going to be more advanced and

429
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Speaker 1: more intricate versus the college game because when you're in college,

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Speaker 1: you're very limited in the amount of time that you

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Speaker 1: have during the week and meetings and practices, so there's

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be some learning involved. And I just from

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Speaker 1: what I see of him on film, he's just a

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Speaker 1: very instinctive player and he knows where the ball is

435
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Speaker 1: and he knows how to get there. Yeah, you know what, backer,

436
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Speaker 1: I love the fact you got a guy that is

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Speaker 1: six five, he's a big dude bad. You got a

438
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Speaker 1: guy that is big. Isaiah Simmons is long. You got

439
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Speaker 1: Zaven Collins. Two inside linebackers that are really gonna be

440
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Speaker 1: long that can clog up that two round passing lane,

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Speaker 1: as you well know. But talk to me a little

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Speaker 1: bit about Rondelle Moore and your your thoughts on Rondale

443
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Speaker 1: Moore as the second round pick for the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: You know, well, if I watch a lot of Big

445
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Speaker 1: ten football, a lot a lot of my Spartans, and

446
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Speaker 1: then a few years ago, Rondel Moore was absolutely destroying

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Speaker 1: the Big Ten. I mean he was honestly in the

448
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Speaker 1: Heisman talk and he destroyed Ohio State. Now he's had

449
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Speaker 1: some j's the last couple of years, and he hasn't

450
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Speaker 1: he hasn't seen the field a lot, so that's obviously

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Speaker 1: a concern. But just from a talent standpoint, yeah, he's

452
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Speaker 1: not the tallest guy in the world, but I'm telling

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Speaker 1: you he is a quick one of the quickest players

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Speaker 1: you'll ever see, and once he gets the ball, he

455
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Speaker 1: knows what to do with it. Very exciting football player.

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Speaker 1: I hope he can stay healthy. That's you know, that's

457
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Speaker 1: that's gonna be the big knock on Wood. But Rondel Moore,

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Speaker 1: you know, if this guy stayed healthy, he would have

459
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Speaker 1: been a first round pick. Do you think he evolves

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Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury's offense? Meaning there's gonna be some wrinkles we've

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Speaker 1: never seen before because they now have a Rondel Moore.

462
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Speaker 1: Or is this the piece that completes Cliff Kingsbury's offense

463
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Speaker 1: and the guy he's been looking for all along. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if I'm speaking honestly here, I don't want to see

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Speaker 1: a bunch of whole new wrinkles. Honestly, I actually want

466
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Speaker 1: to see this offense gain an identity. And I think

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Speaker 1: personally it starts with the running game. I want I

468
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Speaker 1: want to see more downhill running. I want to see

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Speaker 1: more under center. But that's just me personally, that's I

470
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Speaker 1: just think there's so many more things. Yeah, I just

471
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Speaker 1: think there's so many more things you can do when

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Speaker 1: you're under center, and it doesn't have to be all

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Speaker 1: the time. But yeah, exactly, you know, maybe twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: fifteen snaps a game. Let's let's do some things where

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Speaker 1: that running game really starts to establish things, and then

476
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Speaker 1: you're gonna see guys like Rondel Moore really exploit things

477
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Speaker 1: coming out of play action over the middle. Oh my goodness, Becker,

478
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Speaker 1: do you really think that might happen? For me? It's

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Speaker 1: the biggest question mark going into the season, It really is.

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Speaker 1: It's not the defense. It's the offense. Ironically enough, it's

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Speaker 1: the offense. And how much will this offense change? I

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Speaker 1: you know, is there going to be a blending of

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Speaker 1: the old and more traditional offenses with the new I

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Speaker 1: don't know, but that to me is the biggest question mark. Yeah. Well, well,

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Speaker 1: if I remember last year, you and I were talking,

486
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Speaker 1: yeah before before the game, and we were we were

487
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 1: just pleading for something like that to happen, and and

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Speaker 1: they did. Cliff. Cliff started getting Kyler under center. They

489
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Speaker 1: were doing some bootlegs, some play action and moving DeAndre

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Speaker 1: Hopkins around. I don't think it's good to have him

491
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Speaker 1: stagnant over on the left side. Let's move him around

492
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Speaker 1: a little bit. It was working. And so I think

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Speaker 1: when when when in the off season, when they go

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Speaker 1: back and self scout and self evaluate the season and

495
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Speaker 1: watch the film and they see some of those plays that,

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Speaker 1: you know what, there's some things that we can build

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Speaker 1: off of that. Um, I think they're gonna implement it.

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Speaker 1: I really do so. Rob. If we went back and

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Speaker 1: looked at what Rondel Moore did to your Michigan State

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Speaker 1: sparts in twenty eighteen, you conveniently left out the stats.

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Speaker 1: I mean, did he have like a dozen catches for

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Speaker 1: two fifty and three touchdowns and upump return taken to

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Speaker 1: the house and he come on, now, he must have

504
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 1: torched your sparties. He certainly did. But you know, look,

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Speaker 1: I'm just glad he's on our team now. I'm tired

506
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: of watching him beat up on my spartans. I saw

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Speaker 1: it was a few years ago where on the road,

508
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Speaker 1: and I guess it was the pleasure. It was a

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Speaker 1: spectacle watching Rob watch the Michigan Michigan State game. And

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Speaker 1: let's just say I kept a good distance from Rob

511
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: because he was re enacting a lot of the physicality

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Speaker 1: of the game and from his seat at the bar,

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Speaker 1: let's put it that way. So yeah, well you know what,

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Speaker 1: we won that game, Paul, So I didn't have to

515
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Speaker 1: beat you up or anything back. You're the best man.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, brother, Really appreciate your time this evening, baby

517
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: guys Misia and can't wait to see you again. Okay, buddy,

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Speaker 1: we continue with a big red rage right after this.

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Speaker 1: Don't be don't be right here, Hey, you don't need

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00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: to run. Played a homer off the right side across

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Speaker 1: the forty five. He gets leveled at the forty seven

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Speaker 1: yard line, food A Baker came flying in there with

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Speaker 1: a head dropped down by Baker. At the thirty five

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Speaker 1: ye hard line, Booda Baker on the safety blitz. Something

525
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: gets hit and slammed to the ground by Buddha Baker

526
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Speaker 1: like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield over

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Speaker 1: the middle, picked off, intercepted by Baker. At the fifteen

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00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: gets up a run pass near side, picked off by Baker.

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Speaker 1: The five running left to the ten of the twenty

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Speaker 1: fit chases on Booda Baker, redded jumped into one a day,

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Speaker 1: Buddha Baker. They all pro safety Buddha Baker and Wolf

532
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Speaker 1: who can forgive what he told us earlier this month

533
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Speaker 1: in person on the Big Red Rage presented by Santan

534
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Speaker 1: Ford in Gilbert Buddha Baker. Remember we were talking about Seattle,

535
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Speaker 1: his hometown, going back to Seattle, the guy who heckles

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Speaker 1: all the players, and he made a comment about Buddha

537
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Speaker 1: and his size, fine diminutive American and that what was

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Speaker 1: Buddha's response, Well, you know, I just proceeded to knock

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Speaker 1: out two or three of the running backs, right That

540
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Speaker 1: was That was the mentality and don't all the great

541
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Speaker 1: ones have that? Yes, they have that fire, that need

542
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Speaker 1: to compete and prove themselves on an almost down by

543
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,479
Speaker 1: down basis, no doubt about it. I think of Tyrone Matthew.

544
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: Of course, the Badger had the exact same thing. Paulie

545
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: run into the darkness right as pants. Joseph loves to

546
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: say it was one of the greatest things I ever

547
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Speaker 1: heard of any coach say about a player that Buddha

548
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: Baker will run into the darkness and you watch him play,

549
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: he comes down out of that secondary like a bad

550
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: bad man, no doubt about it. Well, it's great to

551
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: visit with Rob Frederickson, former Cardinals linebacker, former first round

552
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: pick of the Raiders, current member of our broadcast team.

553
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: So he had the cameo Cardinals Flight Planner Reminders, Season four,

554
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: episode two, available right now in the Cardinals YouTube channel,

555
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: right all access behind the scenes of the draft, you

556
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: get into the war room, rookie minicamp, some great stuff

557
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: YouTube dot Com, slash Asy Cardinals. So it was interesting

558
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: to hear both you guys say that you actually have

559
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: more folk right now on the offense versus the defense. Nationally, Obviously,

560
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: the focus is on the defense and whether the defense

561
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Speaker 1: can measure up and propel the Cardinals that next step

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Speaker 1: into the postseason. And I think most people will look

563
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Speaker 1: at the secondary, not the safety position, but the cornerback position,

564
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Speaker 1: and just tell me where you are right here, right

565
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Speaker 1: now on that. And if you expect, for example, a

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Speaker 1: time time sign between now and August. Yeah, you know, Polly,

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Speaker 1: I do believe that we could see a veteran corner

568
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: being brought in here, no doubt about it. But you

569
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Speaker 1: have to say, what veteran corners are walking around out

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Speaker 1: there right now. It's not like there's a bunch of

571
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Speaker 1: veteran corners walking around on the street. I know. Stephen Nelson,

572
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Speaker 1: of course, was a subject matter earlier in the week,

573
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Speaker 1: talking about the possibility of going out and signing a

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Speaker 1: guy that played for the Steelers, a guy that has

575
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Speaker 1: been paid, a guy that is impressive when it comes

576
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Speaker 1: to the kind of salary that he garnished, a kind

577
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Speaker 1: of contract he actually signed Pauli. So that it's a possibility.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, honestly, and they got lucky last

579
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Speaker 1: year at trade Kirkpatrick. Obviously they asked him late. Yes, absolutely, Paully,

580
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Speaker 1: But to me, once again, I think the corners they

581
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Speaker 1: have now, as long as they stay healthy, the corners

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Speaker 1: they have now, I'm okay with it. I am Robert Alfred,

583
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: of course, is the guy you think of very first.

584
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Speaker 1: Do you think of him? And the fact he has

585
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: not been able to stay healthy. We all understand that.

586
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: But it really has been freak injuries that have happened

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00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: to Robert Alfred over the last two seasons. And you

588
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: know it as well as I do. He's a very

589
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: capable guy. But you got Malcolm Butler. I am really

590
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: jacked up about Malcolm Butler because of the dog that

591
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: he is. Byron Murphy, I think is only going to

592
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Speaker 1: get better. And you have to remember, it's not like

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Speaker 1: this secondary stunk last year. They did not, Paul, No,

594
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Speaker 1: they did not. They were number ten overall and passing

595
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: yards per game, number seven overall and passing yards per play.

596
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Speaker 1: By the way, they were fifth in sacks per attempt.

597
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: That was without Chandler Jones. And now you've got Chandler Jones,

598
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: you got j. J. Watt, you got a healthy Jordan Phillips.

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00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: Hopefully the pass rush is going to help a guy

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00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: like Malcolm Butler out a lot because if you got

601
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Speaker 1: guys that we'll be able to walk up over wide

602
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: receivers and jam them on the line with an expectation

603
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: I only have to hold up on that press man

604
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: cover for a few seconds before we're going to get

605
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: home on that quarterback man. That really fills those dbs,

606
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: especially the corners, with a lot of confidence. And speaking

607
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: of Malcolm Butler, remember what he said in the media

608
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Speaker 1: after signing on the line that has dotted his intro

609
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: press conference with the Airs on a Cardinals and he

610
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: was asked, how bullish is he on a Cardinals team

611
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: making the postseason, ending the five year drought. Here's Butler

612
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: almost definitely think we can make him push guys get

613
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Speaker 1: old and things like that. But if you're doing the

614
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: right thing, which overbody, you staying focused, you committed to

615
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: the game, you commit it to one goal, and that's

616
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Speaker 1: just winning, you know what I mean. If everyone had

617
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: the same mindset that's what we're gonna do, then oh,

618
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: ball harder this year. You know, I was floy had

619
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Speaker 1: my best year at the age of thirty age and

620
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Speaker 1: number the number here, you know, will be thirty one

621
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Speaker 1: this year during the season, and look, here's the guy

622
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Speaker 1: who had over a hundred tackles as a cornerback, So

623
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Speaker 1: he plays hard. There's no question about that. My question

624
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Speaker 1: within the question when it comes to the cornerbacks both

625
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: is whether Vance Joseph is going to be able to

626
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Speaker 1: play the way he wants to. Yeah, Deally takes those

627
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Speaker 1: two corners, puts him on an island. Then he dials

628
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Speaker 1: up the other nine guys. But the second half of

629
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Speaker 1: last season they got away from that. Primarily Pat P

630
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: really wasn't employed the way traditionally was and traveling season

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Speaker 1: for that, Polly right, and that might have been more

632
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: on pat P, let's be honest and so, but as

633
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Speaker 1: Malcolm bothered that guy, Yeah, especially at age thirty one. Yeah,

634
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Speaker 1: that remains to be seen right now, PAULI. But so

635
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: once again, I know a lot of people will say, hey,

636
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Speaker 1: Wolf number ten in passing defense and number number seven

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Speaker 1: in passing yards per play. You know that was with

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Speaker 1: pat P. And there's no doubt about that. I'm not

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Speaker 1: trying to minimize Pat P in any way, shape or form.

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Speaker 1: But once again, um, it wasn't like pat P was

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Speaker 1: locked down. I think we'd all admit he was not

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Speaker 1: the lockdown corner that we've seen from him in the

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Speaker 1: past last year. Now going up to Minnesota, I expect

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Speaker 1: pat P to have a great year. I really do,

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Speaker 1: because I think the change of scenery is going to

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Speaker 1: do him a lot of good. But I true or false?

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Speaker 1: Was Pat P's still the Cardinal's best cornerback last year? Yes?

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Speaker 1: He was? Yeah? To me he was. Yeah. His biggest problem,

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00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: honestly was penalties. He led. That was his biggest problem,

650
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: exactly right. He was just consistently getting flagged up. So

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Speaker 1: it's the one thing, Paul, you got to remember too.

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Speaker 1: Defensive quarterback rating is really an important number. It is

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Speaker 1: for a defense to look at defensive quarterback rating. Quarterback rating, Paul,

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of people throw stones at it,

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Speaker 1: but Gino I like it because year after year after

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Speaker 1: year in the top ten. Guess what, there's the best

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the NFL. For whatever reason, there they are.

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Speaker 1: So it must be a decent indicator of how a

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Speaker 1: human being is playing the quarterback position. Flip it over

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Speaker 1: and go defensive quarterback rating. The Arizona Cardinals improved from

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Speaker 1: dead last in the league in twenty nineteen with one

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Speaker 1: hundred and nine point nine quarterback rating defensive quarterback rating

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Speaker 1: one hundred and nine point nine Paulli. That was dead

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Speaker 1: last in the National Football League. They improved to number

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Speaker 1: fourteen in the top half of defensive quarterback rating. That

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Speaker 1: was with Pad p having certain struggles, that was with

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Speaker 1: not having a Chandler Jones. It was really an incredible

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Speaker 1: accomplishment and I think this is something that the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: can build off going forward, and it starts with that

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00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: secondary Paulli and the players will dictate the scheme. We

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Speaker 1: know that we had Greg Williams on the cornerbacks coach

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Speaker 1: recently on the Big Red Rage, and when we asked

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Speaker 1: him about Malcolm Butler and his versatility, Here's Greg Williams.

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Speaker 1: He's had a chance to be in multiple schemes, so

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Speaker 1: I think he can adapt to whatever we want him

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Speaker 1: to do and whatever will help the team win. To

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Speaker 1: stay right, stay left, or travel. He's done it all

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Speaker 1: and he's more than willing to do that in this

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00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: game as well. So what is Malcolm Butler going to

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Speaker 1: show these coaches in training camp? Is Robert Alford gonna

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Speaker 1: be Romerd Alfred circa twenty seventeen before all the flurry

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Speaker 1: of injuries and the guy we saw in training camp

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Speaker 1: as recently as last year. What about Marco Wilson and

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Speaker 1: Tay Gowen, two guys with size and athleticism, how quickly

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Speaker 1: can they navigate the rookie learning curve? If you have

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Speaker 1: a guy like Marco Wilson who could also play inside

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Speaker 1: as Byron Murphy, maybe a candidate to kick outside at times.

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Speaker 1: These are a lot of questions in that secondary that

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Speaker 1: are spirling right now. Those are good points, Pauli, and

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Speaker 1: keep in mind right now this is just my belief,

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Speaker 1: but if you wanted to get a rookie to actually

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Speaker 1: make an impact, plane corner is a great position to

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Speaker 1: actually try to have that happen. You know what's so

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Speaker 1: physically related, it's just your talent taking over. Go out

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Speaker 1: and you cover that guy. And if I was a

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Speaker 1: rookie corner in the NFL right now, there's no better

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Speaker 1: team than the Arizona Cardinals to come in and make

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Speaker 1: a name for yourself. We continue with the Big Red

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Speaker 1: Rage presented by Santan Board and Gilbert. We are Santan

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Speaker 1: fourd case Edmonds in the backbod with Murray third down

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Speaker 1: in one of the twenty nine four receivers set shotgun

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Speaker 1: snap it's a run play right side, big Whole Edmonds

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Speaker 1: twenty five ten five touchdown the inside zone being run

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Speaker 1: and Chase Edmonds follow the whole baby twenty nine yard

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Speaker 1: touchdown run on third down and one for Chase Edmonds.

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Speaker 1: All four of Chase Edmonds touchdowns at Medlife twenty yards

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Speaker 1: are longer. Dave bashed the voice of the Cardinals on

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Speaker 1: top of that staff because the year before the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: had gone to the New York Giants and he had

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Speaker 1: three touchdown runs of twenty yards or more in the

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Speaker 1: same game. So, yes, Cardinals go to the Big Apple

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Speaker 1: and they always get big games that at Chase Edmonds

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Speaker 1: a twenty nine yards score. They're part of the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Week five win thirty to ten of the Jets last season.

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Speaker 1: This season, though, Ron Wolfley, you can now call Chase

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Speaker 1: Edmonds Deuce. He has changed his number. He is now

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Speaker 1: number two. Yes, in college, the Fordham guy was twenty two,

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Speaker 1: and he says he was known as Deuce and he said,

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Speaker 1: among other things, to our Kyle to Guard this week

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Speaker 1: on Acy Cardinals dot Com, he said, look now I'm

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Speaker 1: going back to two. Hopefully I can change my life.

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Speaker 1: And he had a lot of really good quotes to

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Speaker 1: Kyle to guard. Look, we know as Edmunds well do

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Speaker 1: we not? Will highly intelligent guy, really well spoken, very

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Speaker 1: passionate about everything he does. Only just a great football player.

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Speaker 1: And and you know what, he would take that as

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Speaker 1: the ultimate complement what he football player? Football player, PAULI,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy you could stick out

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Speaker 1: as a gunner. If you wanted a two on punt

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00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: pro you could put him anywhere. I kid you, not

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Speaker 1: special teams, he could play anywhere. This is a tough

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Speaker 1: human being. He's just a great football player. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying he's going to the Pro Bowl. I'm not saying, Paul,

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Speaker 1: that he's gonna win the MVP. I'm just saying, when

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Speaker 1: you talk about the body, soul, in spirit of a

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Speaker 1: human being being a great player, think of Chase Edmonds,

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Speaker 1: because he's got it all. You know what, Chase the

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Speaker 1: same it's now or never quote end quote. He said,

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Speaker 1: I'm ready to run through a damn wall. Another quote

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Speaker 1: that I'm going to ball out this year, among other things.

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Speaker 1: What he said his contract year, his fourth year in

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Speaker 1: the league, twenty eighteen, fourth round pick. And as for

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Speaker 1: those people out there side, come on, now at his

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Speaker 1: size five nine, two hundred pounds or so, can he

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Speaker 1: really be a work workhorse, bell cow type of back.

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Speaker 1: And you know, one of us around here might decided

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Speaker 1: the Miami game a year ago when he got the

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Speaker 1: twenty five carries and only had seventy yards rushing. It

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Speaker 1: gets a pretty good stout Miami Dolphins defense. I think

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Speaker 1: we would all agree. And he told our Kyler Guard,

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Speaker 1: you know what I read it all, bro is what

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00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: he says. He reads everything, and everything motivates him. And

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Speaker 1: he's coming to play this year and try and win

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Speaker 1: as many reps in touches as he can at running back.

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Speaker 1: It's so fascinating, BALI really is. Because James Connor again

756
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Speaker 1: is also a guy. He's more of a traditional offense

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00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: running back inside zone, good power scheme guy, good and blitz,

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Speaker 1: pick up after play action, catch the ball coming out

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Speaker 1: of the backfield. Mike Tomlin called him his bell cow.

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Speaker 1: When you had James Connor rolling with the Pittsburgh Steelers,

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Speaker 1: he was truly a three down guy. Chase Edmunds more

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Speaker 1: of a new offense, a new age offense type of

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Speaker 1: running back, zone reads and rpls more of a back

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Speaker 1: coming out of the backfield and catching the ball. A

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Speaker 1: guy you could line up, I think in the slot

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Speaker 1: and have him work against a cornerback running a choice route,

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Speaker 1: which is a go anywhere route for the most part.

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Speaker 1: So I look at that, Paulie, I think it's going

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Speaker 1: to be a perfect blend between Chase Edmonds and James Connor. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up, because here's a flashback

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Speaker 1: to what James Connor said his intro press conference as

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Speaker 1: a cardinal on working with Chase Edmonds. I just think explosive.

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Speaker 1: I mean just the weapons that that we have, Chase

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Speaker 1: doing a sting already, and so you know, watching film,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, man, just do he can He can ball?

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Speaker 1: And I want to, you know, learn from him and

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Speaker 1: be a part of it and just get to work

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Speaker 1: with him. With Chase and so you know, I ain't

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00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: no telling I can't predict nothing, but I know what

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Speaker 1: I can guarantee. I'm going to come in here and

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Speaker 1: work day in and day out, put my down and grind,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I'm in for a long cost so

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Speaker 1: seventeen game season, I'm looking forward to it. Paula. I

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Speaker 1: think of offensive lineman when I listened to that right there.

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Speaker 1: James Connor. Of course, he knows he's going to be

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Speaker 1: able to learn from Chase Edmonds. But I think of

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman too that love the block for a guy

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Speaker 1: who's gonna stoke it. That is James Connor. And by

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00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: the way, that's Chase Edmonds as well. Yeah, and Chase said, look,

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Speaker 1: he's realistic. He knows when it's the four men an

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Speaker 1: offense and you're trying to grind down the opponent and

792
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: try and move the sticks late in the game and

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Speaker 1: run the clock, James Connor will probably be that guy.

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00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: He's that big back or maybe in the red zone

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Speaker 1: near the goal line. Guess what, James Connor might be

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Speaker 1: the guy that comes in and gets a lot of

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Speaker 1: the touchdown runs. You know, he's so Chase is realistic

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Speaker 1: about that. How about this comment from G. J. Humphreys

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Speaker 1: a year ago on the Big Red Rage when we

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Speaker 1: asked about Chase Edmonds just in general, and he went

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Speaker 1: all the way back to Chase's rookie year, big energy, Jesse,

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Speaker 1: We all me and justin always look around you hear

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Speaker 1: Chase before you see him. Every time you're gonna hear

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Speaker 1: him before you see him. My god, though, man, he's

805
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 1: always been a guy at football matter most to him

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00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: as well. On the first day I've realized about him

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Speaker 1: as a rookie, you know, you could tell that he

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00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: takes his game serious as officer alive. You see a

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00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: rookie running back coming in, He's just as focusing on

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Speaker 1: picking up the blisses as he is fighting the hole.

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Speaker 1: He found a special place in our heart. Quickly, Paulie,

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Speaker 1: what do you say all the time? Players know players right? Yep,

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Speaker 1: dogs no dogs as well, and DJ Humphries is a

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Speaker 1: dog and appreciates that in Chase Edmonds and the fact that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds is not a big guy, but man, he

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00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: plays much bigger than his body, much bigger than his frame.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's one of the reasons why I'm

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Speaker 1: bullish on this offense becoming more physical, just the way

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Speaker 1: that Steve Kim says he wants this team to be

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00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: more physical. Better leadership in the all season, create that culture,

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Speaker 1: create that identity. We're gonna line up and we're just

822
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: gonna be better than you in certain situations. Not all

823
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 1: the time, but we're gonna line up and sometimes just

824
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Speaker 1: beat you as opposed to trying to trick you, Chase

825
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: saying this week, among other things, I believe if I

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Speaker 1: have twenty touches in a game, I can make some

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Speaker 1: special things happen. And even if that's fifteen rushes in

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Speaker 1: five catches, you know, just he has ability to make

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Speaker 1: that first guy miss. So we'll see the one two

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Speaker 1: punch in the Cardinals backfield. Speaking of a one two punch,

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Speaker 1: two guys, we will not see around the facility anymore.

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Speaker 1: How about congratulations on a well earned, well deserved retirement

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00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: for former Cardinals receiver Anthony Edwards, who has been so

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Speaker 1: indispensable in so many roles for the Cardinals over the

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Speaker 1: last two decades. Congratulations Anthony and assistant equipment manager Stein, Well,

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Speaker 1: I did you really nickname Stein? I call the mind

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Speaker 1: Stein out there because we're working the ball machine, and

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00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: that machine actually said hey Stein. He picked it up

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Speaker 1: from that point Stein, Love you, buddy. Congratulations, congrats, special

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Speaker 1: thanks Jim or a chopped art. This has been the

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