Speaker 1: All right, and we have to start. We have to start, um,
Speaker 1: and we'll bring you guys in, but if you want
Speaker 1: to it's like if you come in earlier, then we'll
Speaker 1: just yell at you and that will also be like
Speaker 1: kind of really funny. It's like kind you're kind of
Speaker 1: like showing the theme, so to speak. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a big part of this podcast is um
Speaker 1: talking about it while we're making it. Right. It's a
Speaker 1: clear game Boy of podcasts. You know, you can see
Speaker 1: everything happening inside a gorgeous little for I'm just I've
Speaker 1: been on this called for a half hour already, I know,
Speaker 1: truly just like Gothic. Did we start? Can we start? Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 1: podcast starts now? Okay, podcast SARTs now? Wow, Low Americans
Speaker 1: across America, mostly Americans exclusively, such a good intro. Um
Speaker 1: we today have one of the um, how would you
Speaker 1: describe what already? It's like you're you're scrambling. I can't,
Speaker 1: like you start with a complete sentence, George, I'm freaking frazzled.
Speaker 1: My I'm frazzled to death because because we've been on
Speaker 1: a tech call for a freaking half an hour. And yeah,
Speaker 1: then just be professional and don't like immediately open with like, oh,
Speaker 1: we've been having technical difficulties. Okay, well I'm sorry. You're
Speaker 1: asking me why I'm like being so frazzled, and I'm
Speaker 1: just telling you why I'm It's like an interview question.
Speaker 1: It's like when someone asked you what's your biggest weakness.
Speaker 1: You're not like, well, I have diarrhea. You know, like
Speaker 1: you have to think of something that's like a little
Speaker 1: My diarrhea isn't a weakness. It's a strength, and it's
Speaker 1: a defining factor exactly. Um. I also would say, just
Speaker 1: to be clear, do we hear an echo? Just in
Speaker 1: case I don't hear an echo? Okay, great, Okay, I'm crazy.
Speaker 1: Everyone thinks I'm crazy. Okay. The beautiful mind parentheses two
Speaker 1: thousand one. Um, the beautiful mind, A beautiful mind, A
Speaker 1: beautiful mind. The beautiful mind is a totally different thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Congrats to Jennifer Connelly on that Oscar. Did she win? So?
Speaker 1: I never very like beige dress. I forgot to watch that.
Speaker 1: Well you can, um, you should, you should check it out. Okay, cool, George,
Speaker 1: I mean you immediately attacked me for um sort of
Speaker 1: expressing my true feelings. How how do you feel about
Speaker 1: what is, what has happened, what's about to happen, what
Speaker 1: is currently happening. I have a feeling this one's gonna
Speaker 1: be a doozy. I'll just say that I think so too. Um.
Speaker 1: I almost feel like, you know, um, this is like
Speaker 1: a tough intro because it's like, what's the point? Like
Speaker 1: I'm sort of like like us talking about like what's
Speaker 1: happening in our lives. It's kind of like does it
Speaker 1: even matter? Right? This is the first time in the
Speaker 1: in the five months who've been doing this podcast where
Speaker 1: I have stopped to think does this matter? Yeah, every
Speaker 1: other episode, especially in our intros, I've said this matters
Speaker 1: is whether it has been a direct like the product,
Speaker 1: it's been a direct result of a grant we applied
Speaker 1: to and the deliverable was a podcast episode, whereas this
Speaker 1: one we're doing on SPEC. This one we're doing on
Speaker 1: SPEC to try to sell UM to some psychopath out
Speaker 1: there who wants to hear my rudolf Um. George, we
Speaker 1: talked earlier about development that's happened in your life. Do
Speaker 1: you want to talk about it and not believe you're
Speaker 1: putting me on the spot like this. I just you know,
Speaker 1: we're having it's a it's we have all game in
Speaker 1: on the podcast today. Let me tell you something. So
Speaker 1: anyone who has kept up with my various podcast appearances,
Speaker 1: I would say, stretching back to February, knows stretching interesting word,
Speaker 1: knows that I with having major issues where I could
Speaker 1: not beyond the receiving end of sex for over a year.
Speaker 1: He had whole problems, whole problems. I've got him too.
Speaker 1: Um no, no, no, no, but you got your whole fixed.
Speaker 1: Here's here's my thing. Why are you been keeping your
Speaker 1: boyfriend from me? Well, I just think it's gotten to
Speaker 1: a point where now it's kind of like fun to
Speaker 1: have an air of mystery. It's been like eight months
Speaker 1: and I have not laid in nine months. It has
Speaker 1: been yeah, like nine to ten. I mean that's insane.
Speaker 1: What I know? Like, do you think I'll like suck
Speaker 1: it up or something? Do you think I won't be
Speaker 1: funny or like won't be smart or like sam? You
Speaker 1: come from different worlds, And because I don't write for
Speaker 1: New York magazine, I'll embarrass you. You think I'll embarrassed
Speaker 1: me from your market? Now I feel now. I actually
Speaker 1: think if we were and our guests, they would be
Speaker 1: on my side because they see how bullied I am.
Speaker 1: So I actually think we should bring them in. Okay,
Speaker 1: please welcome to the arena. Stephen and Eric. Wow, we're
Speaker 1: not even giving them last name, last last name, No,
Speaker 1: we said. In fact, we over here pulled us off.
Speaker 1: That's like we liked, we don't like to. There's no
Speaker 1: pump in this podcast. You know, we are barking, Hey,
Speaker 1: you want to be in a pod? Hey, you want
Speaker 1: to be in a pod? No Mike necessary. Eric. In
Speaker 1: my case, I've been holding my breath ever since I
Speaker 1: was called out for rustling around. Eric, you are in
Speaker 1: what I would describe as like, um, how an office
Speaker 1: would be depicted in a dystopian Uh bad at tire. Uh.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of the movie Wanted. Yes, I mean
Speaker 1: I think you can just stop it. Like I'm in
Speaker 1: an office these domestic landscape people of non work experience
Speaker 1: being like, oh my god, you look like you're in
Speaker 1: a movie. It's like me seeing an office. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that looks dystopian. I mean, was the first aid kit
Speaker 1: behind me? The other thing, the other reference I latched
Speaker 1: onto is the scene in the Matrix where Neo is
Speaker 1: like chased down at his office. Yeah, it's definitely the
Speaker 1: opening in the in the Matrix. You're about to get
Speaker 1: a mysterious text message and or email. I don't think
Speaker 1: they had texts yet then, So Eric, as you sit
Speaker 1: there maskless in an office, UM, what's going on? I am?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm technically supposed to be wearing my mask,
Speaker 1: but I thought, like, you know, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be like the kind of service worker of the four
Speaker 1: of us, you know, I don't. I don't want to
Speaker 1: give away my my class standing here that the only
Speaker 1: person who's like and there for your power. You don't
Speaker 1: want to be the waiter just coming over. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: I'm actually kind of tidying up to the studio space
Speaker 1: to allow a limited amount of graduate students um into
Speaker 1: the space, because you know, space can be tight in
Speaker 1: New York, and if the grad students kind of want
Speaker 1: to come in and claim some desk space, it's so
Speaker 1: important when grad students claim space absolutely, you know all
Speaker 1: they know how to do. We've talked on this podcast
Speaker 1: before about like people that I've known for a long
Speaker 1: time that I have no idea what their job is,
Speaker 1: or that they even have a job. Eric, I'm realizing
Speaker 1: you are that person. I'm saying, grad students in office.
Speaker 1: What the heck is this double life? Eric and I
Speaker 1: both work in academia. We have kind of we have
Speaker 1: very similar jobs. You have kind of like this this
Speaker 1: fancy or like research fellow or something, senior research fellow,
Speaker 1: right right, right, right, Well, I mean I also have
Speaker 1: I'm a director technically. Oh, the comedy version of being
Speaker 1: like a spy is just working in admin. Like that's
Speaker 1: your double life that no one knows about. And I
Speaker 1: was just listening to a podcast all about meaningless jobs.
Speaker 1: I don't know David Graper R. I p oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's right, bullshit jobs. Yeah, was he on a podcast posthumously?
Speaker 1: People are on podcasts randomly sometimes I wasn't posthumously. I
Speaker 1: mean I actually didn't look at the date, so so
Speaker 1: it might have actually been put back death. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure he didn't mention it. And there we are actual
Speaker 1: well I'm dead, but more of the wise, I mean,
Speaker 1: as you're seen, a podcast isn't mortal. And yeah, that's
Speaker 1: why we're doing this right well, and please, Roundtable Discussion
Speaker 1: is a podcast art. Go fuck. Oh, I mean it
Speaker 1: can be if you if you try, right, Okay, this
Speaker 1: pod cast art. Okay, so let's assume we're not trying.
Speaker 1: Can it still be art? I don't think so. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's really you care more about intent than um. There's
Speaker 1: no like multiple interpretations of this podcast. It's just like
Speaker 1: people talking. I highly beg to differ. I think literally,
Speaker 1: you can interpret it in so many ways. You can
Speaker 1: interpret it as good, you can interpret it as um bad,
Speaker 1: you can interpret it as funny. You can at least
Speaker 1: said one of our many listeners wrote in the review
Speaker 1: bouts of what was it? Sam Bouts of Wit? Sparks
Speaker 1: of wit? But I feel like I it's an inside joke.
Speaker 1: I'm not privy to M that'unds like interpretation. That's art
Speaker 1: because it has that exclusivity, right, artist boundaries. It's about
Speaker 1: not getting it. It's about writing a special translator, a
Speaker 1: guy book, a hammock, understand like what the intent of
Speaker 1: the artist was, right, I mean so much contemporary art
Speaker 1: is an inside joke, uh create created by people with
Speaker 1: no sense of humor. M And that's how what how
Speaker 1: you see your podcasts? Is that what you're going for? Well,
Speaker 1: we're disrupting that by having a sense of humor. Yeah. Oh,
Speaker 1: the joker becomes the joke, so to speak. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: it's mostly a podcast about the joker. Um, so guys,
Speaker 1: how are you and be honest, Well, we're okay, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm not booming. Um. Well, you you famously have uh
Speaker 1: a boyfriend penis that you that you speak publicly about
Speaker 1: a lot. I do speak publicly about my penis. I
Speaker 1: think that. I mean, listen, I'll talk about my bank account,
Speaker 1: I'll talk about my dick. You know, there's so many
Speaker 1: things that we shield from the public and that we
Speaker 1: think are suprecious. But you know, I think that you know,
Speaker 1: in this strive right for for justice and equality in
Speaker 1: the world, Like honesty is one of the main tools
Speaker 1: we have, and so you have to put yourself out there.
Speaker 1: And um, and I leave. It was with Ruth Bader
Speaker 1: Ginsberg who said you must show your whole to the
Speaker 1: world and so makes you rest in power along with
Speaker 1: Barbara Bush um two giants of the stage, um and
Speaker 1: silver screen. But uh, yeah, you know, I haven't been bought,
Speaker 1: I mean for quite some time because that's sort of
Speaker 1: my boyfriend's role. And we just have a very binary relationship,
Speaker 1: and you know it's it's something that I sometimes miss. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, to get you have a binary relationship, Well
Speaker 1: we don't. We just barely bottom like in general, like
Speaker 1: I'm in my dreams, I would be bottoming all the time,
Speaker 1: but I'm bad at it and it's very hard for me,
Speaker 1: so I don't do it very much. And your partner
Speaker 1: does not also bottom. He doesn't really like it, but
Speaker 1: he can do it very easily. So every once in
Speaker 1: a while he will, but it's mostly a side story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's kind of got a bucket of a hole. Don't
Speaker 1: know what. I don't know what that means to me easily.
Speaker 1: I mean, I I'm not. I don't want to make
Speaker 1: any assumptions. Eric, are you in a relationship? I am.
Speaker 1: I have a Canadian boyfriend? Wait? How long have you
Speaker 1: had this Canadian boyfriend? Um? When I met him in
Speaker 1: December and then we kind of did like a long
Speaker 1: distance core together, which can really bring people together. Can
Speaker 1: I just say something? Can I really know I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say I'm not. I won't talk about your like,
Speaker 1: Can I just say can I just say something like?
Speaker 1: I know this is no offense to you or no
Speaker 1: offense to you, Eric, but like I don't know if
Speaker 1: we can be counting Core as like you were going
Speaker 1: to say this like when everyone's like, actually we've been
Speaker 1: dating for ten months, and it's just like, well you
Speaker 1: were in Core together for like six months, which is
Speaker 1: just like kind of time collapsed. Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: I feel like you're basically been dating for four and
Speaker 1: a half months. I'm actually on this one. Weirdly is
Speaker 1: the thing, And Eric, let me know what you think.
Speaker 1: I think it goes both way. I think it go
Speaker 1: either way, and that like, yes, it's time collapses and
Speaker 1: you don't have various normal experiences. On the other hand,
Speaker 1: for a full six months, he was the only person
Speaker 1: I saw in person, So then it feels like you're
Speaker 1: fast tracking the relationship. In a way, you're fast tracking it,
Speaker 1: but in a way it's kind of like like Core
Speaker 1: is like bad vacation, where it's like not real life,
Speaker 1: Like he hasn't felt that experience of you being like
Speaker 1: I can't do anything this week because I have bullshit
Speaker 1: bar shows all night, like you know, like that's what
Speaker 1: really tries a relationship like this is very much you're
Speaker 1: projecting your own experience which tries a relationship is when
Speaker 1: you have a lot of bullshit bar shows. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean you would have those shows and it would be
Speaker 1: I I it would come up. It comes up, you know,
Speaker 1: it does come up. Like if I had been dating
Speaker 1: someone and he had a bunch of quote bullshit bar shows,
Speaker 1: I might have pulled the plug at some point. I
Speaker 1: don't understand how any one could be on the other
Speaker 1: end of this. Yeah, I think that, Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's almost it's a pause, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So, yes, you're getting intimate, but it's
Speaker 1: it's like it's it's a it's a comfort, it's a dependency.
Speaker 1: It's not actually, you're not like running into them on
Speaker 1: this street. You're not like taking them out to meet
Speaker 1: other people. You're not you're not like you're not building
Speaker 1: there's no like tension. There's not there's not enough tension.
Speaker 1: There's it's the suspension of tension, is what it is.
Speaker 1: Uh huh huh. Let me tell you something. There's plenty
Speaker 1: of tension. Oh h no, I I guess well. First
Speaker 1: of all, okay, quarantine in the sense that it's like
Speaker 1: fully locked down, was only until whatever you know, May,
Speaker 1: I don't know when did people when did the first protest? May? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And to May yeah? Um. And then since then he's
Speaker 1: met a lot of my friends. I've met a lot
Speaker 1: of his friends. We've like, huh, you're probably what. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he has not meant you. He's meeting you tonight, that's true.
Speaker 1: Are you guys up to come? Oh? Cool? Okay, you're
Speaker 1: just gonna hang outside. And I cannot just say something here,
Speaker 1: just saying that the longer you're in a relationship, the
Speaker 1: more likely you are to like break up. That's what
Speaker 1: I think, Like, well, statistically, so what's going on? Does
Speaker 1: your true boyfriend live in Canada? He lives in Canada.
Speaker 1: That actually is really hot. He did live in Berlin
Speaker 1: before quarantine, and that's what I fled to Montreal. Oh
Speaker 1: then I think maybe I did know about him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I've circulated some information. But and now he came
Speaker 1: here for six weeks, but then he went back to
Speaker 1: Montreal to kind of pull his you know whatever life. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: we live at twenty five minute walk away and have
Speaker 1: so this whole time. So I do think it's slightly different. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's very different. But also the steaks are so much
Speaker 1: higher with international It's it's so romantic, you know, sports,
Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm getting stopped at the border and ugling
Speaker 1: each other in big suitcases. I mean, I mean that's listen,
Speaker 1: that's part of the fun. Scream Um. I don't want
Speaker 1: to bring this up, and it's not ruting it up.
Speaker 1: But remember Taylor slips big suitcase when there was a
Speaker 1: rumor that she was being smuggled out of her apartment
Speaker 1: in a big suitcase. I do not remember that. This
Speaker 1: is an iconic all though. I mean, you really have
Speaker 1: to crammer in there. But she's legend, flexible, skinny, flexible, legend.
Speaker 1: I don't know how flexible she is. Just trust just
Speaker 1: that she looks quite stiff, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: She looks very stiff, very stiff, very stiff. That's true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: her like twenty one questions or whatever. So she's just
Speaker 1: be like, this is my coffee maker. It's a little weird.
Speaker 1: I do see what you were saying. No, sorry, just
Speaker 1: there's two things I want to circle back to, super
Speaker 1: super prictly if I may so. One was you Sam
Speaker 1: being I think a little anxious about the fact that
Speaker 1: George hadn't introduced him to his boyfriend. Yeah. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, are we from different worlds? And you know
Speaker 1: it's not totally off. I mean from what I know
Speaker 1: about your boyfriend, and I guess I can't reveal of
Speaker 1: information about him. I think it's he wants to be.
Speaker 1: He wants to be. I think it's fun if if
Speaker 1: I think it's fun if for whatever reason, he's a
Speaker 1: he's a fashion nick. He's a fashion he sticks, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. He he is. He is in
Speaker 1: a world of of of glamour and suiting and fabric
Speaker 1: and journalism and media, and it's just it's a lot
Speaker 1: of flashbulbs, you know what I mean. Um, And you know,
Speaker 1: Sam is one of the most you know, just down
Speaker 1: to earth people you'll ever meet. Salt of the earth,
Speaker 1: you know, Maldens Sea salt kind of exam. I have
Speaker 1: to I have to marinate him every week. Actually, then
Speaker 1: every week I have to go over and put him
Speaker 1: in a giant ziploc bag and marinate him in sea salt,
Speaker 1: in various other spaces, marinate him and culture. It's something
Speaker 1: I never get things for. Man. I actually randomly saw
Speaker 1: you on the street today today speaking of salt of
Speaker 1: the earth way to like bury the lead there. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: I guess I was walking Gizmo. Where was I getting coffee?
Speaker 1: Getting coffee? I didn't see a dog. I love. I
Speaker 1: love that there's only two options. I was like, I
Speaker 1: literally have not been outside today, and I was like twice.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's very the l a vacation of
Speaker 1: New York. You leave your house to walk your dog
Speaker 1: and get coffee, and walk your coffee and get your
Speaker 1: dog to my coffee and then drop off my dog.
Speaker 1: I was also walking my coffee, so my charge room. Okay,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Well, Eric, why didn't you say anything
Speaker 1: I saw? I kind of like, does he see me?
Speaker 1: I mean see when your masks And it wasn't like
Speaker 1: we like walked right by each other, and it's kind
Speaker 1: of like he's busy, because you know, we do run
Speaker 1: into each other a lot, because we did right around
Speaker 1: the corner. So usually that's kind of this like crossing
Speaker 1: of cats and we can stop and chat. So um,
Speaker 1: this just felt a little bit more like we're on
Speaker 1: other ends of the earth. Yeah. Yeah, Eric and I
Speaker 1: used to see each other all the time at milk
Speaker 1: and poll milk and pole milk and pull pole, Like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, is that literally about like milking cows milk?
Speaker 1: And I mean, or it could be taken in US
Speaker 1: where we still on coffee. Anything we're on We're still
Speaker 1: on coffee. Okay, while we're circling back to things, I
Speaker 1: think this would be a funny thing to circle back to.
Speaker 1: Um my intro. I obviously didn't say your last names,
Speaker 1: And if I can be completely honest, it is because
Speaker 1: I am not sure if Eric is Eric Alan Schwartow
Speaker 1: or Eric Swartow. Okay, I had that like I felt
Speaker 1: like to be successful, I had to have three names. Wait,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you used to have three names only normous?
Speaker 1: What's the second one? Alan? So, I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: my middle name? He would like, oh my godmos Baker.
Speaker 1: It's even Philip Porth, like Allison became Patrick Harris, Neil
Speaker 1: Patrick Allison, Sarah Jessica Parker. Did we say her already? No,
Speaker 1: we did. We missed her. Phoebe Waller Bridgege's just like
Speaker 1: a little oh j um Mary Elizabeth Winstead. So what
Speaker 1: made you decide to change back to two names? It's
Speaker 1: just it's too much work to the sun Also, I
Speaker 1: will say, like I think, when our names are often
Speaker 1: together seem Philip Swords and Eric Allen's warked, how way
Speaker 1: too much, too much? And I can't fly here it's
Speaker 1: too long, you know not you know, the flyers are
Speaker 1: kind of dead these days. It don't matter anymore. God,
Speaker 1: I'm so used to saying your names together that I
Speaker 1: like the I know, the whole song. It's like sort
Speaker 1: of like spelling Mississippi. It's like, yeah, for like the
Speaker 1: normal person, it's hard, but like for someone that's like
Speaker 1: memorized it, it like all is one word. Steven Phillips Worst,
Speaker 1: Eric Collin shorts out, stevehen Phillips Pirson, and Eric Allen
Speaker 1: sports out. Um, I have a question for you. Were
Speaker 1: Are you offended we asked you to do the podcast
Speaker 1: together and not individually. Yes? Yes, Okay, Well let's unpack that.
Speaker 1: Because you present as as a as an unbreakable duo,
Speaker 1: you present as you know, you're branding yourselves as a duo.
Speaker 1: We feel like we're trying to help you guys by
Speaker 1: putting you together. Well, I guess I would have thought
Speaker 1: that because we're so often together and we have this,
Speaker 1: you know, one of the most widely read columns um
Speaker 1: in the Country magazine Interview magazine that you would you
Speaker 1: would relish the opportunity to get one of us alone.
Speaker 1: You know that it would be such a coup for
Speaker 1: you and that you wouldn't pass that up up. And
Speaker 1: so when I when I think about you guys getting
Speaker 1: together and your little booking meetings that you have probably
Speaker 1: multiple times a week where you've just a day the
Speaker 1: head shots on a wall and you're constantly moving them
Speaker 1: from yes to maybe yes, that you would have thought,
Speaker 1: damn if we can, if we can get them get
Speaker 1: them alone? Oh my god, you know the ratings. So
Speaker 1: the fact that that wasn't part of the conversation is
Speaker 1: disappointing to me. Um, but maybe that just shews a
Speaker 1: lack of first Yeah, Eric, your response, I mean there's
Speaker 1: a lot to unpack here. I mean, when you're a duo,
Speaker 1: you know, you're constantly you know, you love working with Stephen.
Speaker 1: I love I can use my home. Yeah, like you're
Speaker 1: already distancing yourself. You want you want to obviously have
Speaker 1: your own kind of identity. And we I think we
Speaker 1: both have a lot of things to say. We're gay,
Speaker 1: We talked, you know, quite which I think is really cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean actually were I mean I was also just thinking, like, okay,
Speaker 1: four gay guys in a room. By the end, they're
Speaker 1: all going to be like they're going to sound the
Speaker 1: exact same, like talking about the exact same case. So
Speaker 1: interesting that you say that because Steven said that exact
Speaker 1: same thing. In fact, before you joined we also talked.
Speaker 1: But I feel like, okay, anyway, I'm not gonna say
Speaker 1: Stephen stole that from me, but I well, anyway, wild
Speaker 1: the original thought. But I mean, I think, but I
Speaker 1: think it speaks to the central anime and anxiety of
Speaker 1: this four way gay pod, which is just like and
Speaker 1: I think you spoke to this in the very beginning
Speaker 1: of the of the episode you said, does this matter?
Speaker 1: Are we necessary? And when you know two gay guys,
Speaker 1: you start the audience starts to question like, oh maybe
Speaker 1: gay people, maybe gays are fine, Like maybe I like this,
Speaker 1: But once you get four you're like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: why why do would I ever need four? Right? Like
Speaker 1: then it's also like we already are so primed to
Speaker 1: compare ourselves to one another, but then you have two
Speaker 1: duos comparing themselves to each other as pairs but actually,
Speaker 1: do you mind if I just dial into that for
Speaker 1: a second, because I actually another thing that was linked
Speaker 1: in my mind early with how Eric is constantly talking
Speaker 1: about the close friendship that you guys have and that
Speaker 1: that me and Erica. Yea, yeah, that you and Eric
Speaker 1: have these really similar lives and your lives have taken
Speaker 1: really similar you know, directions, and we have a standing
Speaker 1: data at Julius where we did pre corps once a quarter.
Speaker 1: But I actually think we'll to check in on the earnings. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that in the still zero got it? Um? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that George, that you're actually the me of
Speaker 1: your duo. Huh wow, that is so interesting. What do
Speaker 1: you think? What do you think? No, I actually think
Speaker 1: that makes sense in a weird waking I think, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Eric, I would never call you like the
Speaker 1: silly one, but you know, if there is a silly
Speaker 1: one in your duo, you're the silly one. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't take things seriously. I don't take my you know, success,
Speaker 1: my career. You know, I don't need to be getting
Speaker 1: you know, I don't need to have twenty k followers
Speaker 1: like ten ks fine for right now? You know, I
Speaker 1: don't need. I don't need to compete, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: just getting coffee walking my non existent dog. You know.
Speaker 1: And you both live in like, you know, really classic
Speaker 1: Bushwick also, you know, and there's a slower piz and
Speaker 1: I think George and I are just much more like
Speaker 1: type A the MICUs out and we're sort of screaming
Speaker 1: at our partners to get everything, not be dead in Bushwick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I do. I'm moving to Crown Heights though, Stephen,
Speaker 1: You're in Ridgewood right in vibes, Um, I am in Ridgewood. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's basically, but it's a world of different. Is the
Speaker 1: lesbian Bushwick is Crown Heights lesbian? Now it's honey, it's
Speaker 1: been okay, okay, I mean that's not a slurf out
Speaker 1: of nowhere. I found myself living in Park Slope for
Speaker 1: two years, which is not where imagine my life going.
Speaker 1: And I'm so out of tune with even being around
Speaker 1: anyone my own age or anyone that might be gay,
Speaker 1: and just to be in somewhere where there are people
Speaker 1: that I can relate to as a blessing, even if
Speaker 1: they are lesbians. Right, A lesbian will do. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: you know, you got more space out there, you can
Speaker 1: really stretch out. I'm excited for more space. Yes, you're
Speaker 1: now you're not moving in with your boyfriend? Is just
Speaker 1: I'm not moving in with Matthew. No. Um, But I
Speaker 1: have a point. What's your point? I have a freaking point,
Speaker 1: And like I don't want to talk more about like
Speaker 1: Brooklyn neighborhoods, like well, like Brooklyn neighbors is like the
Speaker 1: most boring anywhere about it. That's literally at my point,
Speaker 1: that's just like the intro to my point, which is
Speaker 1: talking more about it. My point is also if we're
Speaker 1: talking about us as pairs and similarities between George and
Speaker 1: to Stephen and me and Eric, it's I feel like
Speaker 1: George and Steven are more likely to be intimidating to
Speaker 1: people that don't know them. Tell me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: Do you think I definitely see that with Steven? Do
Speaker 1: you think I'm intimidating? I don't think. I think you
Speaker 1: could be. I think if I'm in a bad movie, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can be intimidating, I guess, But then I can
Speaker 1: also be like the opposite of that, where I want
Speaker 1: to be so accommodating that I come off as a
Speaker 1: giant door mat. I think that I think the difference
Speaker 1: between you two is more stark because you know, I mean, Sam,
Speaker 1: you just radiate friendliness and and you have with the
Speaker 1: shigy hair, and then you know George, especially right now
Speaker 1: with this buzz cut. I mean, you know it's it's
Speaker 1: it's and you're piercing dark guys or are they light?
Speaker 1: Actually they're light, they're blow brain. I've never been able
Speaker 1: to tell anyone's eye caller An, it doesn't actually can
Speaker 1: put piercing before any kind you have a specific color
Speaker 1: blindness just for eyes. But yeah, I think just like
Speaker 1: in a more classic way, someone might be like, oh,
Speaker 1: a little bit more um scared, But I just think
Speaker 1: Eric is more um. I just want to say, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm a little offended that Sam, you don't find me intimidating, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I don't. I think it's like you're always like
Speaker 1: you're like putting yourself out there, you know, like you're
Speaker 1: like being like kind of warm and like weird way.
Speaker 1: It's like I'm a Sweetheart's like, do you think that
Speaker 1: it takes a while to understand that Eric's a sweetheart.
Speaker 1: I think our first two times going to our quarterly
Speaker 1: date at Julius. I was like, is he mocking me? Thank?
Speaker 1: You know, That's what I was gonna say. I think
Speaker 1: people leave an interact the form of the first and direction.
Speaker 1: Eric like, I think that guy like hates me was
Speaker 1: like totally making fun of me, and like it's like
Speaker 1: literally that it was making fun of me like I was.
Speaker 1: I remember one time we were there and I went
Speaker 1: to order and I was like, what do you want?
Speaker 1: And he and Eric was just kind of like, I'll
Speaker 1: have a martini. You know what I'm making. You know,
Speaker 1: I love that we're talking about me, obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: it's more I'm making fun of this situation, like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, what are we getting? Like Martini's Obviously I'm
Speaker 1: not making it's myself more than like anyone else around me.
Speaker 1: So we'll see. Okay, let me know if I just
Speaker 1: saw this truly. Right before we started recording, Guy Brandam
Speaker 1: said something along the lines of camp is pretending to
Speaker 1: do something while you're actually doing it, And I feel
Speaker 1: like that's you ordering a martini. Yeah. I mean I
Speaker 1: think that we all can be campy or martini. I
Speaker 1: think that Eric, it's like, is Eric is actually quite authentic?
Speaker 1: And so his campiness is like authentically felt, and so
Speaker 1: it doesn't come up as obviously camp where when I
Speaker 1: were or tiny, I think I do like a big
Speaker 1: song and dance, and I'm super schlocky and fake. I'm
Speaker 1: a Gemini. I am very tri So I would just
Speaker 1: be like, hey, barking, can I get one of those
Speaker 1: martinis extra dry, sweetheart? And I'll be all one thing.
Speaker 1: I love to say that I'm embarrassed at it, but
Speaker 1: like I'll always say, um, it's like, oh, would you
Speaker 1: like a dry? And I go, oh, oh no, do
Speaker 1: you like a dirty? And I say pornographic sweetheart. So
Speaker 1: it's just like and then everyone knows that you're doing
Speaker 1: a bit, and so I'm very like, you know, always
Speaker 1: trying to make it really clear that I'm like so
Speaker 1: then it's clear that you're joking that I'm joking. On
Speaker 1: the other hand, if you're always doing a bit, then
Speaker 1: you and then you're even less approachable because then it's like, well,
Speaker 1: how can I get anywhere near you? Yeah? No, I
Speaker 1: think that could explain a lot of my relationships. How
Speaker 1: could I get anywhere near you? Is an interesting way
Speaker 1: to vote that. Yeah. So basically for the listeners at home.
Speaker 1: This is how you can tell the difference with it
Speaker 1: between I also think I also think Stephen and I
Speaker 1: comparatively are just meaner online. Well yeah, but that's a choice.
Speaker 1: I don't want to offend anyone. Eric is just a
Speaker 1: terrified of offending someone. I'm like terributy get canceled and
Speaker 1: like it's like still voting for Hillary and it's just
Speaker 1: like that sort of Eric literally voted for Hillary in
Speaker 1: the Today. Oh my god, that's really cool. He's actually
Speaker 1: there at the office now printing out flyers, like a
Speaker 1: homemade flyers that stay still with her. Wait, should we
Speaker 1: do our first segment? I actually think we should do
Speaker 1: our first second? Yeah, so, umti, did you guys prepare
Speaker 1: for the first segments? Prepare or okay? So you each
Speaker 1: have twenty minutes and we can just start now, opening arguments,
Speaker 1: start now, opening arguments, starting now. Okay, in our first
Speaker 1: segment called straight Shooters. Oh my god, the sun is
Speaker 1: right in my eyes. You close your blind I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: are you poor thing? You have gorgeous light? Yea, I
Speaker 1: have hold on. Okay, um there we go. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: called straight Shooters, and uh we it is the segment
Speaker 1: in which we test your knowledge of straight culture by
Speaker 1: asking you a series of rapid fire questions where we
Speaker 1: give you two or more options and you have to
Speaker 1: just pick one and you're not allowed to ask anything else.
Speaker 1: At how the game works? Okay, Okay, ready, I'm ready,
Speaker 1: I've got it, and and both of you can answer
Speaker 1: at any time. Dirtbag left or old Town Road? Old
Speaker 1: Town Road? Okay, you're a closet team. Do you join
Speaker 1: the cross country team, join the swim team, or join
Speaker 1: the wrestling team? Across country wrestling Hot Travis Scott Burger
Speaker 1: at McDonald's or the Charlie Demilio coldbrew at Dunkin Donuts,
Speaker 1: Colber riding a jet ski with Wayne Gretzky or riding
Speaker 1: a jeep with Meryl Streep. I mean, obviously you don't
Speaker 1: have to agree picturing her getting really jostled in that jeep.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I like the sound of that.
Speaker 1: Am I driving? I would have to drive? Okay. Reese
Speaker 1: Witherspoon as an actress, Reese Witherspoon as a producer, or
Speaker 1: Reese Witherspoon is a relatable queen on social media? Is
Speaker 1: draper James here? I guess that's the social media one.
Speaker 1: Oh we can do. And Reese Witherspoon as as a
Speaker 1: she eo of Draper James. I choose she eo re ceo. Okay,
Speaker 1: why is Draper James her? It's her line. It's her
Speaker 1: line of like Gingham Dresses for being, which we've actually
Speaker 1: talked about on this podcast. Before she sells, Oven mits
Speaker 1: that say, y'all, okay, I did just start watching that
Speaker 1: thing you were telling me to watch the Get and
Speaker 1: Reese is on the first episode that looks so bad.
Speaker 1: It's psychotic. It's it's essential viewing. I mean, I'm obsessed
Speaker 1: with that. It's like forty five minutes of someone organizing
Speaker 1: Rachel's O closet. Well, but it's like but then they
Speaker 1: organize it, and then it doesn't even look good. It's
Speaker 1: just like does container store? It barely looks that different.
Speaker 1: They go to the container store and they got a
Speaker 1: ton of product, as they always say, and there's always
Speaker 1: this like this completely imaginary deadline and like there's just
Speaker 1: totally made up stakes and they're just like it's down
Speaker 1: to the wire, just like we needed to divide and conquered.
Speaker 1: Give me product, give me products, and they're just bins
Speaker 1: and putting labels on them, and it's like it's also
Speaker 1: like it's only made for extremely wealthy people because by
Speaker 1: necessity you have to be well. So each episode they
Speaker 1: do a regular person and this lab Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's like Tom shoes, but for organizing, yes, because Tom's
Speaker 1: like given the pair to an unchewed person. Um. So
Speaker 1: then they organized the like regular folk com and it's
Speaker 1: I mean it's like a little more like of a
Speaker 1: meaningful difference, but it's still just putting things in bins. Right,
Speaker 1: So your answer, my answer was food in the Home meta. Okay,
Speaker 1: So as a as a reality TV personality, yeah, we're gravitated.
Speaker 1: You're so okay, Um, thinking you're smart because you're pointing
Speaker 1: out problematic things from eighties movies, or thinking you're smart
Speaker 1: because you're politically smarter than a mother of three in
Speaker 1: the Midwest. But mother, well, I think that I don't
Speaker 1: know what I'm supposed to say. I think the the
Speaker 1: eighties is straighter, okay, Um, okay. The Drew Barrymore Show,
Speaker 1: the Queen Latifa Show, the Megan Moali Show, the Ricky
Speaker 1: Lake Show, the Bonnie Hunt Show, the Bethany Frankel Show
Speaker 1: or The fran Gesture Show. These are all talk shows
Speaker 1: that had one season. Um, well, Ricky Lake didn't have
Speaker 1: one season. She had too. Oh you mean like post
Speaker 1: Ricky she had another show? I think so wait, hold on.
Speaker 1: Ricky Lake was like a famous show in the Knights.
Speaker 1: It was on for many years. It was like a
Speaker 1: connect George if you were spreading misinformation on our podcast,
Speaker 1: like some sort of reboot that was like short lived.
Speaker 1: I think she did no in you know, not Ricky Lake.
Speaker 1: But one time my cousin was at a stoplight and
Speaker 1: Connie Wilson was in the car next to her. Wait,
Speaker 1: it was called Ricky Colin. Then you Ricky Lake Show
Speaker 1: is a reboot Ricky Collin. So I'm gonna go with
Speaker 1: Ricky Colin. Okay, at it checked, ladies, if you're over
Speaker 1: fifty every year, Okay, a towel, a moist towelette or
Speaker 1: a wet taliana a moist towel at Yeah, that's okay.
Speaker 1: Barack Obama signing an overall deal with Netflix or Hillary
Speaker 1: Clinton launching a podcast called You and Me both, Umama, Okay,
Speaker 1: men are canonically straighter than women. I think it's what
Speaker 1: we're saying here. I had one more but I couldn't
Speaker 1: crack it, and it was egg house lata or egging
Speaker 1: a house later. No, no, George came to a house
Speaker 1: and then later you decide to egg it. So I
Speaker 1: George and I saw each other last weekend and he
Speaker 1: came in in a gorgeous shirt. It was a long
Speaker 1: sleeved kind of T shirt and he goes, it's a
Speaker 1: cow slata and then my boyfriend was like, it costs
Speaker 1: a lot of Like it took a long time for
Speaker 1: it to like still be like what eck house. It's
Speaker 1: like it's a brand. It costs a lot of that's
Speaker 1: pretty good. That's some good slata. Or it costs a
Speaker 1: latta is better than egging a house later, Yeah, cost
Speaker 1: lata is really good. And also it's kind of its alien,
Speaker 1: So that's definitely straight vibes. This is my daughter egg
Speaker 1: house lata. I mean, that's like the kind of that's
Speaker 1: the classic, like a whole foods you mean, a whole paycheck,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's funny. That was really funny.
Speaker 1: Down the other I was like visiting my parents the
Speaker 1: other one, and my mom said, like said, you know,
Speaker 1: tar j but said it in a way where truly
Speaker 1: it was like she had thought of it for the
Speaker 1: first time ever. And yeah, I mean that's kind of clever.
Speaker 1: I think that speaks to the homosexualization of the world
Speaker 1: that just like even moms are kind of like with language. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But also one of our ones, previous ones, was speaking
Speaker 1: of moms being playful with language. Is but first coffee
Speaker 1: or rose all day? I mean those are synonyms, and
Speaker 1: I agree really interesting because to me, it's like, but
Speaker 1: first coffee, like you know, it's like you're type A whatever.
Speaker 1: Rose all day it's like you're drunk. I got both
Speaker 1: of the same thing. Those are just things on a
Speaker 1: T shirt. That's just being compulsive in different ways. Yeah,
Speaker 1: different side of the same coin. Okay, So normally we
Speaker 1: give like a score M George what they get. I
Speaker 1: think they should rate each other. I think we should
Speaker 1: get individual valuations from you. I am here to be
Speaker 1: told that I am better than someone. Um, oh, you
Speaker 1: exactly did better? Thank you. Why did you think you
Speaker 1: did better? I can't remember, but I just I felt
Speaker 1: like I was sort of in my own about it.
Speaker 1: And you know, I have to say I think Eric
Speaker 1: and I both have an understanding of maybe straight suburbia
Speaker 1: in this way a lot of them. I mean there's
Speaker 1: a lot of sort of regionalism in the questions as well,
Speaker 1: which is an interesting through line. Here's what I will say. Well,
Speaker 1: I have two things to say. First of all, Eric
Speaker 1: definitely seemed more confused. I just feel like I didn't
Speaker 1: listen to what like the terms of the well, right,
Speaker 1: we never gave you terms, and that's kind of something
Speaker 1: we like to do, to have to play with the expectations.
Speaker 1: But no, but you have to make your own rules.
Speaker 1: And I think this comes back to the whole diconomy
Speaker 1: between the two of us thing. It's just like you
Speaker 1: were waiting to be told what the precepts were, and I,
Speaker 1: you know, I was basically like, you give me two things,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you what I think about them.
Speaker 1: And you know, I love to create opinions about things
Speaker 1: that I have no experience. And oh, I mean it's
Speaker 1: a great tradition. I mean, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: were like that kind of confident. We were all just
Speaker 1: I think bulldoz through like Barack Obama at the two
Speaker 1: thousand four d n C in Boston. I mean I
Speaker 1: brought the house. I don't know what happened at the
Speaker 1: d n C in Boston. Well in two thousand four,
Speaker 1: that was like Obama's like, you know, canonical speech that
Speaker 1: you're saying you were like his riot um to prominence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you were like that. Thank you. I do
Speaker 1: think I do understand Eric what you're saying, like you
Speaker 1: need to know the rules in order to break them.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like you need to know what you're
Speaker 1: satirizing in order to make a to make commentary about it.
Speaker 1: Now you don't feel like but then again you don't answer. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, you can do whatever you want, you know. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: I think you're both on my mask on. Okay, Eric's
Speaker 1: putting his mask on, mask up and white top. Well,
Speaker 1: I think you both tied, and I think you both
Speaker 1: got disqualified. Yeah, you both started. You answered like a
Speaker 1: little too early, Willem. You know, justice for me, right.
Speaker 1: We don't want to be on All Stars. We don't care.
Speaker 1: Do you think who of all of us has the
Speaker 1: gayest and least gay voice? My first, my gut reaction
Speaker 1: is to say that Sam has the least gay voice.
Speaker 1: I would say I would agree I agree. I think
Speaker 1: I have the gayest voice. But I think it's because,
Speaker 1: like I feel like everyone hates the sound of their
Speaker 1: own voice a little bit and think, well, your voice
Speaker 1: sounds gay now because you like you don't have a
Speaker 1: microphone right when you are speaking into the microphone immediately
Speaker 1: make it makes it sound even thinner, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, even less supported by the diaphragm, because gays
Speaker 1: love to talk like in the front of their mouth
Speaker 1: or whatever, and we don't. We don't, you know, we
Speaker 1: don't support it with the rust um like the French do.
Speaker 1: But I think, yeah, that kind of tracks. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm my voice. I will say this,
Speaker 1: my voice is about to get straighter because I'm getting
Speaker 1: needsle surgery in a few weeks. Why we have chronic
Speaker 1: Chinese conditions. Um, And they are not going to change
Speaker 1: the outside, Okay, I want them a little. It's actually
Speaker 1: a gut renovation. There's going to be a couch. They're
Speaker 1: putting in a new back splash. But wait, are you
Speaker 1: do you want me to change the outside? Sam, do
Speaker 1: you have a problem with the way might No? No,
Speaker 1: I just feel like you know when in Rome, like
Speaker 1: if they're going in there, they might as well get
Speaker 1: a few beautiful. That's not what I would if I
Speaker 1: could get to anything, I would make them make my
Speaker 1: ears stick out more. I mean, and I understand that
Speaker 1: I respect that so much. I think that's so hard
Speaker 1: what I would do in my face? I mean, I
Speaker 1: would change so many things about my body. No, not
Speaker 1: to brag, but I don't know if I would change
Speaker 1: anything about my face. Let's see, let me take a sure,
Speaker 1: let's take a look at that, like the old mug.
Speaker 1: I don't think I would, well, I guess I would.
Speaker 1: I would be okay with having like more defined, like
Speaker 1: a more defined I want to I want a Kibella
Speaker 1: injection right here to just kill some of this fat
Speaker 1: and give me a little bit more about I do
Speaker 1: have fat under my chin? Yeah? Um, which is do
Speaker 1: you want me to send blueprints or anything? Done? I
Speaker 1: put on the zoom touch up face filter just now
Speaker 1: you see him a little uncanny valley. But I just
Speaker 1: felt like the overhead lighting was oh I read that
Speaker 1: you look like a woman, and what he's saying I
Speaker 1: was it was such a page turner. I was completely obsessed. Okay.
Speaker 1: I just feel like, if you finish a book fast,
Speaker 1: it means it was good, right, Yeah, And I felt
Speaker 1: like I finished that book so fast. That's why Gone
Speaker 1: Girl is my favorite book. I've seen the movie. So
Speaker 1: just to play Devil's advocate, you know, you could also
Speaker 1: argue that the slower you read a book, that means
Speaker 1: you're just savoring every single sentence. When I go through
Speaker 1: Michelin Star restaurant, I I save that every bint of
Speaker 1: every little the chef sends out because he puts so
Speaker 1: much effort into it. Um, and it's important to respect
Speaker 1: that work, right and not just your favor um. In
Speaker 1: our last episode, there was a point at which we
Speaker 1: imagine what it would be like if Hannah Gatsby said
Speaker 1: the sentence I just drank a bunch of come? Can
Speaker 1: you say that sentence in the Australian accent as Hannah Gatsby? Okay, um,
Speaker 1: let me think for a seeking Okay, so she's the
Speaker 1: slaved bean's kind of sorry or just drawing a bucket
Speaker 1: of come? How no bucket? That was a good That
Speaker 1: was a good improv r Wow, look at the because
Speaker 1: I'm going out of the pack right, more important things, um,
Speaker 1: such as not drinking come. Um Okay, so what's our topic?
Speaker 1: I thank you. So we have various topic options. Let
Speaker 1: me pull them up. Actually they were sent by Eric.
Speaker 1: I want to give credit work credits due, okay, I
Speaker 1: also have to go in thirty minutes. Okay, but seein
Speaker 1: you had to take the reins you know. No, no,
Speaker 1: we should will be done spoil solo my solo app
Speaker 1: by having that. Yeah, we're gonna do solo epps at
Speaker 1: some point. People in the order we ask you in
Speaker 1: as the order in which we like you. So you
Speaker 1: have that to look forward to. Okay. Our options are
Speaker 1: micro breweries, craft culture, van life, upstate, and God. I
Speaker 1: think what we should do is each go around. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna pick one of these and then we can each
Speaker 1: go around saying one sentence how we feel about it.
Speaker 1: I love that. Okay, micro breweries, I'll go first. Micro
Speaker 1: breweries more like micro penish. That was a straight shooter
Speaker 1: of mine one time, so beef um I would say
Speaker 1: about micro breweries, Um, you know two thousand one call
Speaker 1: they want their culture back. M hmm, all never forget
Speaker 1: nine eleven. Okay, I'm sort of this segment is kind
Speaker 1: of like come up with a one liner about a
Speaker 1: micro normal never done this. We're just trying to run
Speaker 1: through and talk about it. But but now I wanted
Speaker 1: to sim's it's just if something comes to you, say
Speaker 1: it right, Okay? Micro breweries. I mean I'm drawing a
Speaker 1: blank and I think that's everything. Okay, A couple sitting
Speaker 1: with ice cold pints of beer. Beautiful view, completely silent, okay,
Speaker 1: William Carlos Williams called stops feeling for what you want.
Speaker 1: Isn't this a great view? And do you know what's
Speaker 1: devastating is like when you overhear a couple trying to
Speaker 1: start some kind of a conversation. Nothing is coming naturally,
Speaker 1: and I feel like a micro brewery is a perfect
Speaker 1: setting for that. Can I think at least can I answer? Okay,
Speaker 1: one at a time? Okay, My answer is just a
Speaker 1: just an infinity scarf, yes, okay, micro breweries are the
Speaker 1: infinity scarf of men. I mean, I think there's women
Speaker 1: at the brewery. I think it's like, but it's the
Speaker 1: men's decision to a wide couple is wide man um. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I also just like I don't like that kind of beer.
Speaker 1: I like a like a European light piss beer, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And I think berries tend to
Speaker 1: be heavy, bittery. I p a kind of hoppy, hoppy, hoppy.
Speaker 1: I hate the word hoppy. I hate the word hoppy.
Speaker 1: I think this is cool. I think it's so um.
Speaker 1: It's so we so often erase gay men drinking beer
Speaker 1: for the joke, for the for the image and apple
Speaker 1: t Yeah, and I think it's so important to say, hey,
Speaker 1: we we exist and in droves, we just like a
Speaker 1: different kind. And yet I'm randomly only drinking hard now?
Speaker 1: Is that true? Fun? Yeah? June? That Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that was good, it's good. How much alcohol does it have?
Speaker 1: It's like six? Yeah? Yeah? And what has activated charcoal
Speaker 1: in it? If you like tip the can upside down,
Speaker 1: which I thought was insane. But also no one has
Speaker 1: ever explained to me what that is activated charcoal? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so obviously you're familiar. I just mean, like, it's in toothpaste,
Speaker 1: it's in gum, it's in food. Yeah. I don't get
Speaker 1: why everyone thinks it's good. To me, it seems like
Speaker 1: something that we shouldn't be ingesting, right, I mean, can
Speaker 1: you think of anything more sinister sounding than activated in
Speaker 1: the charcoal toothpaste? It's always just like it makes your
Speaker 1: tooth pressure black and I'm just like, this doesn't look right,
Speaker 1: Like this is horrible mold. It looks like Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just I think the bathroom is not a space where
Speaker 1: you want just like all this like black liquid. Mm hmm,
Speaker 1: I would agree. Okay, um, craft culture like arts and craft.
Speaker 1: I think you meant what you were doing, well, that
Speaker 1: was I meant just like like maker craft culture, but
Speaker 1: it was kind of just play off the micro You
Speaker 1: think maker craft culture is like violently straight. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I'm notting like a shelf that's made out of
Speaker 1: like a plank of wood that you like a splinter
Speaker 1: on if you like rub your hand across. But also,
Speaker 1: gay people are really bad at stuff, so like they
Speaker 1: make a lot of shitty ship you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And so I think that that there's a lot of
Speaker 1: gay craft out there. I mean every fucking queer exchange
Speaker 1: book is full of just like, um, I made this
Speaker 1: like dildos shelf and there's like nail sticking out of
Speaker 1: it and it's like not turned on. Yeah, craft culture
Speaker 1: is also it resides in I want to say, the
Speaker 1: Northeast almost exclusively and the Southwest almost exclusively, those two
Speaker 1: corners of America or where craft culture and supreme I
Speaker 1: mean like Arizona. Yeah, well that you're talking about like
Speaker 1: o g craft Seattle because I think that, but like
Speaker 1: the pinterest explosion has turned I think most of Middle
Speaker 1: America into graft land. Right, wow, I'm just saying about
Speaker 1: like like home pickling, like kind of like cottage corey
Speaker 1: stuff too. Cottage core is very different than like a
Speaker 1: popsicle stick, you know, Christmas ornament that you're getting off.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think because most women in Iowa like
Speaker 1: have a room in their house that's called the crafting room,
Speaker 1: and there's like full of pipe cleaners and all this
Speaker 1: ship and like they go in there and they scrap
Speaker 1: book and they do all this ship and like that's
Speaker 1: not I think the kind of culture we're referred to
Speaker 1: when we talk about the Northeast and Southwest and turquoise
Speaker 1: jewelry and and you know, all these artisans if you will, right,
Speaker 1: right right, that's a good point. Your portrail of my
Speaker 1: Marvor Mead found actually studied um at the do you
Speaker 1: at the University of Verage. So wow, congrats, I heard
Speaker 1: that program is really good and costs five million dollars yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: It's five mal um. But you got um, you got
Speaker 1: one meal a week your parents, Yes, five million of
Speaker 1: your parents money. That's like part of the deal. Um
Speaker 1: school parents love to spend. Well, wait, we actually do
Speaker 1: need to do a fine. Wait, hold on van life.
Speaker 1: And honestly that was maybe my favorite because it's like
Speaker 1: it's like so embarrassing. Well, let's talk about van life
Speaker 1: for a moment and then we can so that one.
Speaker 1: What is that? Like, what are we talking about? Do
Speaker 1: we mean living in a van living? I think we
Speaker 1: mean I think it means Instagram culture hashtag where it's
Speaker 1: like kind of artisanal refurbished vans that are like kind
Speaker 1: of cool in theory and like look great in pictures.
Speaker 1: It's also like we sold our house, like we don't
Speaker 1: want to mortgage, Like we just like we want to
Speaker 1: be free, we want to have some of the you
Speaker 1: try to recreate. It's like people who have never had
Speaker 1: access to culture then being like, well, I guess I'll
Speaker 1: live in a van. It's like just see a play.
Speaker 1: Here's what I think about van life. I think it's
Speaker 1: kind of like a like it's like a straight way
Speaker 1: to be queer. Like you're like you're a straight, monogamous
Speaker 1: couple and you're like, okay, like, but look, we have
Speaker 1: a van and yeah, but you know, hey, we live
Speaker 1: in you know, a desperate, sad world where there's nothing
Speaker 1: to do and no one has anything of value that
Speaker 1: they can contribute to the economy, and so they're like,
Speaker 1: what do we do? Well? Some people are have these
Speaker 1: Instagram accounts of followers where they like get an airstream
Speaker 1: trailer and take some wide angle lends shots and I
Speaker 1: guess we'll do that, you know, And I don't know
Speaker 1: if they necessarily are so cynical and their choice to
Speaker 1: do that. They're more just sort of on the track
Speaker 1: and they go for it because they can't think of
Speaker 1: anything else. I mean, to me, it just felt like
Speaker 1: so straight culture, you know, like only like like couple
Speaker 1: who kind of had like nothing just talk about anymore,
Speaker 1: but like set out on this adventure where they just
Speaker 1: sit next to each other. Like what am I saying?
Speaker 1: You're not wrong? You're not wrong, But here's why you're
Speaker 1: not wrong. It's not the way that you think that
Speaker 1: you are correct. Okay, straight, it's straight culture because straight
Speaker 1: people have closed relationships and gay people are more open
Speaker 1: and they need to see other gay people, and they
Speaker 1: need to like interact with other gay people, and people
Speaker 1: can be quite literally in this moving coffin and they're
Speaker 1: fine with that. And I don't mean I don't think
Speaker 1: gay people would be able to sort of stomach that
Speaker 1: in the same way. Wait, that's genius, that actually makes
Speaker 1: much sense. I mean I don't think that was necessarily
Speaker 1: like negating what I was saying. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: just there's like a martyrdom to like a monogamous straight relationship.
Speaker 1: And I think like this idea of like you basically
Speaker 1: become this like pilgrim, but it's like as a couple,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean it goes back to like camping
Speaker 1: and things like that, like limiting your own resources are
Speaker 1: like limiting your own like access to civilization, like modern
Speaker 1: civilization as a way to like have fun or make
Speaker 1: a point. Well, it's a it's I mean, it is.
Speaker 1: It's about limits. Yes, it's like we're limited resources. But
Speaker 1: I think you know you on the other hand, you
Speaker 1: could say that gay people with our death drive and
Speaker 1: are like and our need to just consume every possible
Speaker 1: like should we stas experience and every possible drug and
Speaker 1: every possible club and every possible party. We always have
Speaker 1: to go to the next apartment of seven other games.
Speaker 1: It's like that is also a disease, you know, the
Speaker 1: lack of totally Yeah, you're like so many as we
Speaker 1: weave between strollers, on your on your way to pick
Speaker 1: up your dog from coffee. Straight people like to consume ghasoly,
Speaker 1: you know. That's that's what they like to consume, Katamie.
Speaker 1: Big difference, that's I haven't done well, never mine, I've
Speaker 1: never done six years. Okay, okay, the way which I
Speaker 1: don't know what to do with that information. The four
Speaker 1: the four of us, let's all get together and let's
Speaker 1: do it right, let's set the date. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I'll do a bump like, yeah, I just to me,
Speaker 1: it's a little too as someone who likes to be
Speaker 1: in control, it's a little bit too like where are
Speaker 1: we going with us? And it would be good for you, Steven.
Speaker 1: I think it could help. I think it would help
Speaker 1: you be more like me. I don't think I think
Speaker 1: you're the you, you know what I mean? I think
Speaker 1: you're enough you for the both of us. Sweetheart, super
Speaker 1: hard out in three minutes. Yeah, okay, So here's the thing.
Speaker 1: We have to very quickly to our final segment in
Speaker 1: two minutes, in which we each give a radio shout
Speaker 1: out to something we are living for in the style
Speaker 1: of like MTVS TRL or like a kind of call
Speaker 1: in radio show. So we'll go first, and you never
Speaker 1: follow what I'm saying. I can go, Okay, what's up, listeners, Um,
Speaker 1: I just want to give a quick shout out to
Speaker 1: the place where I bit my lip on Saturday. It
Speaker 1: has hurt for the whole week and it's only gotten worse.
Speaker 1: And I swear to God, I only been at one time.
Speaker 1: It wasn't even that thing where I been it over
Speaker 1: and over. I been at once. Nevertheless, she persisted, it
Speaker 1: hurts so bad. I've been trying to figure out how
Speaker 1: to heal my lip, but nothing will fix it. And
Speaker 1: it is painful to eat, it is painful to talk,
Speaker 1: and it is just a lip. You never know how
Speaker 1: much you use your lips until one is damaged. And
Speaker 1: I have such a different perspective on life. And when
Speaker 1: this is all over, I would be so grateful to eat,
Speaker 1: always so grateful to drink, and always so grateful to
Speaker 1: laugh laugh laugh, ha ha ha. Much love to all
Speaker 1: my friends, x O x O Sam. Hey, what's up, listeners.
Speaker 1: I want to give a quick shout out to my
Speaker 1: co host Sam Taggard for everything he just said and
Speaker 1: deciding that he would give a shout out to the
Speaker 1: concept of biting his lip and then having it hurt.
Speaker 1: It really played with the form in a way that um,
Speaker 1: you know, Arca found dead and I am very aware
Speaker 1: of the time, and so I'm gonna act if I
Speaker 1: give space to more queer men that have gayer voices
Speaker 1: than I do. As a form of preparations. Who um, hey, y'all,
Speaker 1: thanks so much for taking my call. I just want
Speaker 1: to give a quick shout out to Prila Sack, which
Speaker 1: I am on a fourteen day round up, because my
Speaker 1: dad said that all of the things that I thought
Speaker 1: were me having possibly stomach cancer, possibly something called an angina,
Speaker 1: possibly something called the Chet's disease was actually just acid
Speaker 1: read blox um, and that I should just go on
Speaker 1: a fourteen day period of prilosax. So we're working through that.
Speaker 1: We're not on coffee, we're reducing acids um from our diet,
Speaker 1: and I think it's working. You know, I have been there,
Speaker 1: and you'll get to the other side, excited Eric have
Speaker 1: literally Hey listeners, I just wanted to give a huge
Speaker 1: shout out to my four pm fart out. It really
Speaker 1: gets me out of having to continue this conversation, and um,
Speaker 1: it really speaks to kind of having things to do
Speaker 1: in schedules and calendars, etcetera. On having things to do. Okay,
Speaker 1: well it is four pm, so I have to go
Speaker 1: and with Hi, thank you for doing the pod. Thanks
Speaker 1: so much for having us, so much for having us