WEBVTT - "Topic Not Found" w/ Eric Schwartau & Steven Phillips-Horst 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:21.919 All right, and we have to start. We have to start, um, 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:23.560 and we'll bring you guys in, but if you want 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:26.120 to it's like if you come in earlier, then we'll 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:27.440 just yell at you and that will also be like 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:29.680 kind of really funny. It's like kind you're kind of 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:32.440 like showing the theme, so to speak. Yeah, I mean, 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:35.159 this is a big part of this podcast is um 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:37.600 talking about it while we're making it. Right. It's a 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:40.160 clear game Boy of podcasts. You know, you can see 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:50.000 everything happening inside a gorgeous little for I'm just I've 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:52.640 been on this called for a half hour already, I know, 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:56.680 truly just like Gothic. Did we start? Can we start? Yeah? Okay, 0:00:56.680 --> 0:01:01.200 podcast starts now? Okay, podcast SARTs now? Wow, Low Americans 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:07.279 across America, mostly Americans exclusively, such a good intro. Um 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:13.280 we today have one of the um, how would you 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:17.560 describe what already? It's like you're you're scrambling. I can't, 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:21.280 like you start with a complete sentence, George, I'm freaking frazzled. 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:24.880 My I'm frazzled to death because because we've been on 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:28.600 a tech call for a freaking half an hour. And yeah, 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:32.840 then just be professional and don't like immediately open with like, oh, 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:35.560 we've been having technical difficulties. Okay, well I'm sorry. You're 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:37.600 asking me why I'm like being so frazzled, and I'm 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:39.880 just telling you why I'm It's like an interview question. 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:41.679 It's like when someone asked you what's your biggest weakness. 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:44.320 You're not like, well, I have diarrhea. You know, like 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:46.160 you have to think of something that's like a little 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:48.400 My diarrhea isn't a weakness. It's a strength, and it's 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:53.200 a defining factor exactly. Um. I also would say, just 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:56.040 to be clear, do we hear an echo? Just in 0:01:56.120 --> 0:02:00.600 case I don't hear an echo? Okay, great, Okay, I'm crazy. 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:04.080 Everyone thinks I'm crazy. Okay. The beautiful mind parentheses two 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:10.120 thousand one. Um, the beautiful mind, A beautiful mind, A 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:13.480 beautiful mind. The beautiful mind is a totally different thing. Yeah. 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:18.120 Congrats to Jennifer Connelly on that Oscar. Did she win? So? 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:22.359 I never very like beige dress. I forgot to watch that. 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:27.800 Well you can, um, you should, you should check it out. Okay, cool, George, 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:31.119 I mean you immediately attacked me for um sort of 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:35.000 expressing my true feelings. How how do you feel about 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.600 what is, what has happened, what's about to happen, what 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:41.240 is currently happening. I have a feeling this one's gonna 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:46.119 be a doozy. I'll just say that I think so too. Um. 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:50.760 I almost feel like, you know, um, this is like 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:55.079 a tough intro because it's like, what's the point? Like 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:58.200 I'm sort of like like us talking about like what's 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:00.480 happening in our lives. It's kind of like does it 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:03.399 even matter? Right? This is the first time in the 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:05.919 in the five months who've been doing this podcast where 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:09.880 I have stopped to think does this matter? Yeah, every 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:12.920 other episode, especially in our intros, I've said this matters 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:16.160 is whether it has been a direct like the product, 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:18.320 it's been a direct result of a grant we applied 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:21.440 to and the deliverable was a podcast episode, whereas this 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:23.400 one we're doing on SPEC. This one we're doing on 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:28.480 SPEC to try to sell UM to some psychopath out 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:34.680 there who wants to hear my rudolf Um. George, we 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:37.960 talked earlier about development that's happened in your life. Do 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:39.520 you want to talk about it and not believe you're 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:41.680 putting me on the spot like this. I just you know, 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:43.640 we're having it's a it's we have all game in 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:45.440 on the podcast today. Let me tell you something. So 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:50.120 anyone who has kept up with my various podcast appearances, 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:54.360 I would say, stretching back to February, knows stretching interesting word, 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:59.600 knows that I with having major issues where I could 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:04.000 not beyond the receiving end of sex for over a year. 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:10.520 He had whole problems, whole problems. I've got him too. 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:16.240 Um no, no, no, no, but you got your whole fixed. 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:20.720 Here's here's my thing. Why are you been keeping your 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:24.479 boyfriend from me? Well, I just think it's gotten to 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:26.400 a point where now it's kind of like fun to 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:28.880 have an air of mystery. It's been like eight months 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:34.080 and I have not laid in nine months. It has 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:39.840 been yeah, like nine to ten. I mean that's insane. 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.640 What I know? Like, do you think I'll like suck 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:44.120 it up or something? Do you think I won't be 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.560 funny or like won't be smart or like sam? You 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:50.000 come from different worlds, And because I don't write for 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:56.160 New York magazine, I'll embarrass you. You think I'll embarrassed 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:59.400 me from your market? Now I feel now. I actually 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:00.760 think if we were and our guests, they would be 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:02.400 on my side because they see how bullied I am. 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:05.240 So I actually think we should bring them in. Okay, 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:11.800 please welcome to the arena. Stephen and Eric. Wow, we're 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:18.720 not even giving them last name, last last name, No, 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:27.559 we said. In fact, we over here pulled us off. 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:31.320 That's like we liked, we don't like to. There's no 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:37.280 pump in this podcast. You know, we are barking, Hey, 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:38.440 you want to be in a pod? Hey, you want 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:45.840 to be in a pod? No Mike necessary. Eric. In 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:49.160 my case, I've been holding my breath ever since I 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:52.640 was called out for rustling around. Eric, you are in 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:56.240 what I would describe as like, um, how an office 0:05:56.240 --> 0:06:01.320 would be depicted in a dystopian Uh bad at tire. Uh. 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:05.760 It reminds me of the movie Wanted. Yes, I mean 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:07.279 I think you can just stop it. Like I'm in 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:14.080 an office these domestic landscape people of non work experience 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:15.600 being like, oh my god, you look like you're in 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:20.600 a movie. It's like me seeing an office. Oh my god, 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:25.480 that looks dystopian. I mean, was the first aid kit 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.680 behind me? The other thing, the other reference I latched 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:31.480 onto is the scene in the Matrix where Neo is 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:33.440 like chased down at his office. Yeah, it's definitely the 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.360 opening in the in the Matrix. You're about to get 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:39.160 a mysterious text message and or email. I don't think 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.640 they had texts yet then, So Eric, as you sit 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:49.000 there maskless in an office, UM, what's going on? I am? 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:50.920 I mean, I'm technically supposed to be wearing my mask, 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.560 but I thought, like, you know, I don't want to 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:56.680 be like the kind of service worker of the four 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:58.240 of us, you know, I don't. I don't want to 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:01.320 give away my my class standing here that the only 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:03.320 person who's like and there for your power. You don't 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:06.120 want to be the waiter just coming over. Yeah. So 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.880 I'm actually kind of tidying up to the studio space 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:13.560 to allow a limited amount of graduate students um into 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:15.880 the space, because you know, space can be tight in 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.040 New York, and if the grad students kind of want 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:21.280 to come in and claim some desk space, it's so 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:26.600 important when grad students claim space absolutely, you know all 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.920 they know how to do. We've talked on this podcast 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:32.720 before about like people that I've known for a long 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.440 time that I have no idea what their job is, 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:37.760 or that they even have a job. Eric, I'm realizing 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:42.560 you are that person. I'm saying, grad students in office. 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.880 What the heck is this double life? Eric and I 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:48.440 both work in academia. We have kind of we have 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:52.120 very similar jobs. You have kind of like this this 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:55.840 fancy or like research fellow or something, senior research fellow, 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:58.200 right right, right, right, Well, I mean I also have 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:02.560 I'm a director technically. Oh, the comedy version of being 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:07.000 like a spy is just working in admin. Like that's 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:12.160 your double life that no one knows about. And I 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:15.120 was just listening to a podcast all about meaningless jobs. 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.200 I don't know David Graper R. I p oh my god, 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:21.920 that's right, bullshit jobs. Yeah, was he on a podcast posthumously? 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:26.280 People are on podcasts randomly sometimes I wasn't posthumously. I 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:28.840 mean I actually didn't look at the date, so so 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:31.000 it might have actually been put back death. I'm not 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:34.560 sure he didn't mention it. And there we are actual 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:39.760 well I'm dead, but more of the wise, I mean, 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:42.199 as you're seen, a podcast isn't mortal. And yeah, that's 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:45.800 why we're doing this right well, and please, Roundtable Discussion 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:55.679 is a podcast art. Go fuck. Oh, I mean it 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:59.720 can be if you if you try, right, Okay, this 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:02.360 pod cast art. Okay, so let's assume we're not trying. 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.840 Can it still be art? I don't think so. Yeah. 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:10.760 It's really you care more about intent than um. There's 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:14.600 no like multiple interpretations of this podcast. It's just like 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:17.280 people talking. I highly beg to differ. I think literally, 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:19.959 you can interpret it in so many ways. You can 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:22.920 interpret it as good, you can interpret it as um bad, 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:25.920 you can interpret it as funny. You can at least 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.440 said one of our many listeners wrote in the review 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:34.040 bouts of what was it? Sam Bouts of Wit? Sparks 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.679 of wit? But I feel like I it's an inside joke. 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:41.880 I'm not privy to M that'unds like interpretation. That's art 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:45.600 because it has that exclusivity, right, artist boundaries. It's about 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:48.959 not getting it. It's about writing a special translator, a 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:51.920 guy book, a hammock, understand like what the intent of 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:54.240 the artist was, right, I mean so much contemporary art 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:59.480 is an inside joke, uh create created by people with 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:03.000 no sense of humor. M And that's how what how 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:07.400 you see your podcasts? Is that what you're going for? Well, 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:11.839 we're disrupting that by having a sense of humor. Yeah. Oh, 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:16.480 the joker becomes the joke, so to speak. Yeah, this 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:20.120 it's mostly a podcast about the joker. Um, so guys, 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:24.640 how are you and be honest, Well, we're okay, I'm 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:32.160 I'm not booming. Um. Well, you you famously have uh 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:36.680 a boyfriend penis that you that you speak publicly about 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.679 a lot. I do speak publicly about my penis. I 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:42.800 think that. I mean, listen, I'll talk about my bank account, 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:44.800 I'll talk about my dick. You know, there's so many 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:46.840 things that we shield from the public and that we 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:49.240 think are suprecious. But you know, I think that you know, 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:53.440 in this strive right for for justice and equality in 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:55.840 the world, Like honesty is one of the main tools 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.600 we have, and so you have to put yourself out there. 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:00.959 And um, and I leave. It was with Ruth Bader 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.240 Ginsberg who said you must show your whole to the 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:08.720 world and so makes you rest in power along with 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:14.560 Barbara Bush um two giants of the stage, um and 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:17.920 silver screen. But uh, yeah, you know, I haven't been bought, 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.360 I mean for quite some time because that's sort of 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:23.439 my boyfriend's role. And we just have a very binary relationship, 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:28.439 and you know it's it's something that I sometimes miss. Um, 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:33.200 you know, to get you have a binary relationship, Well 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:38.080 we don't. We just barely bottom like in general, like 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:42.679 I'm in my dreams, I would be bottoming all the time, 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.440 but I'm bad at it and it's very hard for me, 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:49.760 so I don't do it very much. And your partner 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:52.800 does not also bottom. He doesn't really like it, but 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:54.640 he can do it very easily. So every once in 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:59.400 a while he will, but it's mostly a side story. Yeah, 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:05.199 he's kind of got a bucket of a hole. Don't 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:07.040 know what. I don't know what that means to me easily. 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:10.360 I mean, I I'm not. I don't want to make 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:15.199 any assumptions. Eric, are you in a relationship? I am. 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:18.480 I have a Canadian boyfriend? Wait? How long have you 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:21.200 had this Canadian boyfriend? Um? When I met him in 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:23.840 December and then we kind of did like a long 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:26.800 distance core together, which can really bring people together. Can 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:30.480 I just say something? Can I really know I'm not 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:32.319 gonna say I'm not. I won't talk about your like, 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:35.040 Can I just say can I just say something like? 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.400 I know this is no offense to you or no 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:41.000 offense to you, Eric, but like I don't know if 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:44.040 we can be counting Core as like you were going 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:46.480 to say this like when everyone's like, actually we've been 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:48.959 dating for ten months, and it's just like, well you 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:51.480 were in Core together for like six months, which is 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:53.960 just like kind of time collapsed. Like I don't know, 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:56.000 I feel like you're basically been dating for four and 0:12:56.040 --> 0:13:00.120 a half months. I'm actually on this one. Weirdly is 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:01.520 the thing, And Eric, let me know what you think. 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:03.400 I think it goes both way. I think it go 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:08.920 either way, and that like, yes, it's time collapses and 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:11.040 you don't have various normal experiences. On the other hand, 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:14.240 for a full six months, he was the only person 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.800 I saw in person, So then it feels like you're 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:19.679 fast tracking the relationship. In a way, you're fast tracking it, 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:22.480 but in a way it's kind of like like Core 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:25.200 is like bad vacation, where it's like not real life, 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:27.920 Like he hasn't felt that experience of you being like 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:30.600 I can't do anything this week because I have bullshit 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:33.560 bar shows all night, like you know, like that's what 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:40.120 really tries a relationship like this is very much you're 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:42.959 projecting your own experience which tries a relationship is when 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:45.559 you have a lot of bullshit bar shows. Well, I 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:47.640 mean you would have those shows and it would be 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:50.440 I I it would come up. It comes up, you know, 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:53.319 it does come up. Like if I had been dating 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:56.480 someone and he had a bunch of quote bullshit bar shows, 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:59.000 I might have pulled the plug at some point. I 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:01.160 don't understand how any one could be on the other 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:05.040 end of this. Yeah, I think that, Yeah, I think 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.200 it's it's it's it's almost it's a pause, you know 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:09.480 what I mean. So, yes, you're getting intimate, but it's 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:12.840 it's like it's it's a it's a comfort, it's a dependency. 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:15.240 It's not actually, you're not like running into them on 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:16.800 this street. You're not like taking them out to meet 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.680 other people. You're not you're not like you're not building 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:22.760 there's no like tension. There's not there's not enough tension. 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.080 There's it's the suspension of tension, is what it is. 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:28.640 Uh huh huh. Let me tell you something. There's plenty 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:36.320 of tension. Oh h no, I I guess well. First 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:38.800 of all, okay, quarantine in the sense that it's like 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:43.400 fully locked down, was only until whatever you know, May, 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.680 I don't know when did people when did the first protest? May? Yeah? 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:51.320 And to May yeah? Um. And then since then he's 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:52.600 met a lot of my friends. I've met a lot 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:57.760 of his friends. We've like, huh, you're probably what. Yeah, 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:00.240 he has not meant you. He's meeting you tonight, that's true. 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:04.720 Are you guys up to come? Oh? Cool? Okay, you're 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:07.040 just gonna hang outside. And I cannot just say something here, 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:10.040 just saying that the longer you're in a relationship, the 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.680 more likely you are to like break up. That's what 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:17.800 I think, Like, well, statistically, so what's going on? Does 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:22.120 your true boyfriend live in Canada? He lives in Canada. 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:25.360 That actually is really hot. He did live in Berlin 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:30.240 before quarantine, and that's what I fled to Montreal. Oh 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:33.400 then I think maybe I did know about him. Yeah, 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:38.200 it's I've circulated some information. But and now he came 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:39.960 here for six weeks, but then he went back to 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:43.600 Montreal to kind of pull his you know whatever life. Okay, Well, 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:45.640 we live at twenty five minute walk away and have 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:48.960 so this whole time. So I do think it's slightly different. Oh, 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:51.120 it's very different. But also the steaks are so much 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:55.600 higher with international It's it's so romantic, you know, sports, 0:15:55.760 --> 0:16:00.320 And yeah, I'm getting stopped at the border and ugling 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:04.760 each other in big suitcases. I mean, I mean that's listen, 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:11.040 that's part of the fun. Scream Um. I don't want 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:12.680 to bring this up, and it's not ruting it up. 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:15.640 But remember Taylor slips big suitcase when there was a 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:17.520 rumor that she was being smuggled out of her apartment 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:21.320 in a big suitcase. I do not remember that. This 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:24.040 is an iconic all though. I mean, you really have 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:31.640 to crammer in there. But she's legend, flexible, skinny, flexible, legend. 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:34.600 I don't know how flexible she is. Just trust just 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:39.960 that she looks quite stiff, you know what I mean. 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:45.760 She looks very stiff, very stiff, very stiff. That's true. Yeah, 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:49.240 her like twenty one questions or whatever. So she's just 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:53.680 be like, this is my coffee maker. It's a little weird. 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:57.160 I do see what you were saying. No, sorry, just 0:16:57.280 --> 0:16:59.040 there's two things I want to circle back to, super 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:01.800 super prictly if I may so. One was you Sam 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:04.439 being I think a little anxious about the fact that 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:08.840 George hadn't introduced him to his boyfriend. Yeah. I was like, oh, 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:11.080 you know, are we from different worlds? And you know 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:14.679 it's not totally off. I mean from what I know 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:17.280 about your boyfriend, and I guess I can't reveal of 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:21.040 information about him. I think it's he wants to be. 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.600 He wants to be. I think it's fun if if 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.119 I think it's fun if for whatever reason, he's a 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:30.320 he's a fashion nick. He's a fashion he sticks, you 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:33.359 know what I mean. He he is. He is in 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:37.680 a world of of of glamour and suiting and fabric 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:41.440 and journalism and media, and it's just it's a lot 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.959 of flashbulbs, you know what I mean. Um, And you know, 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:47.520 Sam is one of the most you know, just down 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:50.160 to earth people you'll ever meet. Salt of the earth, 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:55.520 you know, Maldens Sea salt kind of exam. I have 0:17:55.600 --> 0:18:00.320 to I have to marinate him every week. Actually, then 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:02.400 every week I have to go over and put him 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:04.920 in a giant ziploc bag and marinate him in sea salt, 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:10.480 in various other spaces, marinate him and culture. It's something 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:13.600 I never get things for. Man. I actually randomly saw 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:17.480 you on the street today today speaking of salt of 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:21.520 the earth way to like bury the lead there. That's crazy. 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:24.240 I guess I was walking Gizmo. Where was I getting coffee? 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:27.520 Getting coffee? I didn't see a dog. I love. I 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:30.239 love that there's only two options. I was like, I 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:33.280 literally have not been outside today, and I was like twice. 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:36.439 I mean, that's that's very the l a vacation of 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:38.320 New York. You leave your house to walk your dog 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:40.560 and get coffee, and walk your coffee and get your 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:43.480 dog to my coffee and then drop off my dog. 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:49.560 I was also walking my coffee, so my charge room. Okay, 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:53.240 oh my god, Well, Eric, why didn't you say anything 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:57.040 I saw? I kind of like, does he see me? 0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:59.199 I mean see when your masks And it wasn't like 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:01.640 we like walked right by each other, and it's kind 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:04.520 of like he's busy, because you know, we do run 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:06.360 into each other a lot, because we did right around 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:10.480 the corner. So usually that's kind of this like crossing 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:14.320 of cats and we can stop and chat. So um, 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:16.280 this just felt a little bit more like we're on 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:21.399 other ends of the earth. Yeah. Yeah, Eric and I 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:23.360 used to see each other all the time at milk 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:29.479 and poll milk and pole milk and pull pole, Like, 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:34.800 oh my god, is that literally about like milking cows milk? 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:38.040 And I mean, or it could be taken in US 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:42.080 where we still on coffee. Anything we're on We're still 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:44.879 on coffee. Okay, while we're circling back to things, I 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:46.560 think this would be a funny thing to circle back to. 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:51.439 Um my intro. I obviously didn't say your last names, 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:53.920 And if I can be completely honest, it is because 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:57.840 I am not sure if Eric is Eric Alan Schwartow 0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:00.760 or Eric Swartow. Okay, I had that like I felt 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:03.239 like to be successful, I had to have three names. Wait, 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:06.119 I'm sorry, you used to have three names only normous? 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:09.840 What's the second one? Alan? So, I mean, it's just 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:14.560 my middle name? He would like, oh my godmos Baker. 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:21.960 It's even Philip Porth, like Allison became Patrick Harris, Neil 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:25.480 Patrick Allison, Sarah Jessica Parker. Did we say her already? No, 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:32.000 we did. We missed her. Phoebe Waller Bridgege's just like 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:41.639 a little oh j um Mary Elizabeth Winstead. So what 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:44.440 made you decide to change back to two names? It's 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:48.320 just it's too much work to the sun Also, I 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:51.080 will say, like I think, when our names are often 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:53.919 together seem Philip Swords and Eric Allen's warked, how way 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:56.800 too much, too much? And I can't fly here it's 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:58.919 too long, you know not you know, the flyers are 0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:02.120 kind of dead these days. It don't matter anymore. God, 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:05.240 I'm so used to saying your names together that I 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:08.160 like the I know, the whole song. It's like sort 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:10.760 of like spelling Mississippi. It's like, yeah, for like the 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:12.919 normal person, it's hard, but like for someone that's like 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:18.320 memorized it, it like all is one word. Steven Phillips Worst, 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:21.480 Eric Collin shorts out, stevehen Phillips Pirson, and Eric Allen 0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:23.760 sports out. Um, I have a question for you. Were 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:26.840 Are you offended we asked you to do the podcast 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:32.760 together and not individually. Yes? Yes, Okay, Well let's unpack that. 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:35.520 Because you present as as a as an unbreakable duo, 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:39.040 you present as you know, you're branding yourselves as a duo. 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:41.360 We feel like we're trying to help you guys by 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:43.680 putting you together. Well, I guess I would have thought 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:46.240 that because we're so often together and we have this, 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:49.440 you know, one of the most widely read columns um 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:53.600 in the Country magazine Interview magazine that you would you 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:56.600 would relish the opportunity to get one of us alone. 0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:58.520 You know that it would be such a coup for 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:00.679 you and that you wouldn't pass that up up. And 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:02.919 so when I when I think about you guys getting 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:06.680 together and your little booking meetings that you have probably 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:09.560 multiple times a week where you've just a day the 0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:12.680 head shots on a wall and you're constantly moving them 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:15.920 from yes to maybe yes, that you would have thought, 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:18.560 damn if we can, if we can get them get 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:21.840 them alone? Oh my god, you know the ratings. So 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:24.560 the fact that that wasn't part of the conversation is 0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:27.359 disappointing to me. Um, but maybe that just shews a 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:31.440 lack of first Yeah, Eric, your response, I mean there's 0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:34.000 a lot to unpack here. I mean, when you're a duo, 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:37.240 you know, you're constantly you know, you love working with Stephen. 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:40.560 I love I can use my home. Yeah, like you're 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:46.520 already distancing yourself. You want you want to obviously have 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:48.920 your own kind of identity. And we I think we 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:50.960 both have a lot of things to say. We're gay, 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:55.040 We talked, you know, quite which I think is really cool. Yeah, 0:22:55.280 --> 0:22:58.040 I mean actually were I mean I was also just thinking, like, okay, 0:22:58.160 --> 0:22:59.680 four gay guys in a room. By the end, they're 0:22:59.680 --> 0:23:01.399 all going to be like they're going to sound the 0:23:01.400 --> 0:23:04.399 exact same, like talking about the exact same case. So 0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:06.600 interesting that you say that because Steven said that exact 0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:10.720 same thing. In fact, before you joined we also talked. 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:13.480 But I feel like, okay, anyway, I'm not gonna say 0:23:13.640 --> 0:23:18.200 Stephen stole that from me, but I well, anyway, wild 0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:19.800 the original thought. But I mean, I think, but I 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:22.840 think it speaks to the central anime and anxiety of 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:25.320 this four way gay pod, which is just like and 0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:26.879 I think you spoke to this in the very beginning 0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:30.159