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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky

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Speaker 1: back again.

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Speaker 2: Buck.

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Speaker 3: How you doing, my friend, man, I'm doing all right,

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Speaker 3: you know, the normal stuff like summertime. Got some little

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Speaker 1: Well projects, What the enlighten me here? What are we

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Speaker 1: what are we working on here at Casa Day Brooks?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's not it's not it's not anything fun. I

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Speaker 1: No, So we have been running ours, man, like we

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Speaker 1: save a few bucks here over the summer. We've got

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Speaker 1: a fun We've got a fun show today. We actually

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Speaker 1: I believe next week we'll have him on. He'll give

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Speaker 1: I thought this would be kind of a fun little

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Speaker 1: So when he was saying this, so many different things,

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Speaker 1: So you just gave me a great idea. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: So Bill, if you're listening, that's a project that's coming

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Speaker 1: playmaking ability, Buck, I mean, that's everything.

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Speaker 3: Like we can go back now and look and say, man,

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Speaker 3: he really didn't play with anybody, but there were moments

438
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Speaker 3: they're down, they're losing in the Iron Bowl, and he

439
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Speaker 3: brings them back, puts them on. We have evidence of

440
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Speaker 3: him putting his team on his back. The clips that

441
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Speaker 3: you talked about with Bryce young Man. They're head full

442
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Speaker 3: of games and this is Alabama. He has to bring

443
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Speaker 3: them back. In the Iron Bowl. We see him bring

444
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Speaker 3: them back and keep the game close against Tennessee. We

445
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Speaker 3: see how they won against Tech. All these other things.

446
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Speaker 3: You want your quarterback to have a resume that has

447
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Speaker 3: enough of those moments. Because the one thing that your

448
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Speaker 3: franchise quarterback is supposed to do, he's supposed to give

449
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Speaker 3: everybody in the building hope if we give the ball

450
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Speaker 3: back to this player, he is going to find a

451
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Speaker 3: way to get it done. We were there in the

452
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Speaker 3: playoff game in the wildcard run like the Chargers and

453
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Speaker 3: the Jaguars, and you can say whatever you want to

454
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Speaker 3: say about Trevor Lawrence, but his ability to hang in

455
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Speaker 3: that moment.

456
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Speaker 2: Oh, his confidence not only.

457
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Speaker 3: For his confidence in his own ability, but the team's

458
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Speaker 3: confidence in him is now at another level once you

459
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Speaker 3: see your quarterback do it. And so it is one

460
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Speaker 3: of the things that you have to add. That guy

461
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Speaker 3: has to have some special playmaking ability, all.

462
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Speaker 1: Right, you just mentioned him, by the way. So if

463
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Speaker 1: you look at Trevor Lawrence toughest on the team footwork

464
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Speaker 1: and finish accuracy, playmaking, he's four for four so far

465
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Speaker 1: as we're going through this list. The fifth one I

466
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Speaker 1: would add as well as X factor. He talked about

467
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Speaker 1: being able to kind of you know anyways X plus

468
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Speaker 1: one equals one. He's like, you're able to be a

469
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Speaker 1: multiplier you're able to get more out of your guys.

470
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Speaker 1: And I was thinking about the previous era that we

471
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Speaker 1: just had in the AFC, which was an incredible run

472
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Speaker 1: when you had Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and I'll put

473
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Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger even in there as well as Cats won

474
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Speaker 1: multiple championships and went on long runs. Those guys literally

475
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Speaker 1: did when you add when you stacked up the roster,

476
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Speaker 1: you're like, okay, well you got to add a couple

477
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Speaker 1: points to all these players, because the quarterback makes all

478
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Speaker 1: these guys better.

479
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Speaker 3: Absolutely. I mean tom Brady's the best example that you see.

480
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Speaker 3: I mean, they put anything around him. He found a

481
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Speaker 3: way to get it done, no excuses, no explanations, like

482
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Speaker 3: hey just just get us to the finish line. And DJ,

483
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Speaker 3: that's one of the things because we always we go

484
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Speaker 3: back and forth with the quarterback, right, so we go

485
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Speaker 3: with the quarterback like, hey man, you got to get

486
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Speaker 3: him some weapons. Well, DJ, Pat Mahomes last year showed

487
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Speaker 3: us what a franchise quarterback is supposed to be able

488
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Speaker 3: to do once you pay him.

489
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Speaker 2: When you pay the quarterback fifty.

490
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Speaker 3: Million dollars, that then prevents you from being able to

491
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Speaker 3: put everything around him to make the offense perfect. You're

492
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Speaker 3: paying him to make everything else right, that's the expectation.

493
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Speaker 3: Otherwise you don't pay the quarterback that much, and so

494
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Speaker 3: that that force multiplier. He has to be able to

495
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Speaker 3: do that. Otherwise why are we paying them. I mean,

496
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Speaker 3: it has to be that he can elevate the play

497
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Speaker 3: of others. And so, yeah, you would like to be

498
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Speaker 3: able to put him with an all pro wide out

499
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Speaker 3: and those things, but the way the money is going,

500
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Speaker 3: he is going to have to be able to do

501
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Speaker 3: the most with the least.

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Speaker 2: That's just what it is. That's what great quarterbacks are

503
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Speaker 2: able to do.

504
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't agree with you more. I mean that

505
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Speaker 1: that is exactly the example last year of seeing somebody

506
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Speaker 1: who who grew and evolved into being somebody that man.

507
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Speaker 1: Look at all the weapons he has, Andy Reid, all

508
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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, and then yeah, well that was used.

509
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Speaker 1: That was his that was his training. You know, that

510
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Speaker 1: trained him up, got him ready to go. And now okay,

511
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Speaker 1: now you're off on your own. You're ready to go.

512
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Speaker 1: We trained you up. Now you can you can lift

513
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Speaker 1: everybody else up with you, which is exactly what Patrick

514
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Speaker 1: Mahomes did. So interesting. I wanted to have that chat

515
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Speaker 1: with you here. We went about twenty minutes on it, Buck,

516
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Speaker 1: just because it's so fascinating to me when you hear

517
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Speaker 1: different versions of what you look for in the quarterback position,

518
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Speaker 1: and you know, I think a lot of people have similarities.

519
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Speaker 1: I think you'll see accuracy on every list. Any any

520
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Speaker 1: coach you ever talked to about what he you know,

521
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Speaker 1: wants and admires and quarterbacks, accuracy is always going to

522
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Speaker 1: be on the list. I feel like, you know, that's

523
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Speaker 1: the one constant. And I would say, now, after having

524
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Speaker 1: asked so many people about this, I would say the

525
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Speaker 1: number two attribute that would that would show up. And

526
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Speaker 1: it's not poise, which I've long been a fan of.

527
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Speaker 1: You know, you talk about pocket presence or different things,

528
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Speaker 1: different aspects of the position. I would say toughness is

529
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Speaker 1: the word. I don't know where you are, but I

530
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Speaker 1: feel like that is the That is the word that's

531
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Speaker 1: come up more and more and more with guys we

532
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Speaker 1: talked to about that position. I don't think maybe the

533
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Speaker 1: average person realizes how important that is.

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Speaker 2: Oh I think is everything.

535
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Speaker 3: And I think toughness physical and mental, because both of

536
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Speaker 3: them are there dj the guys that we admire at quarterback.

537
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Speaker 3: Are the guys that show up for all seventeen games.

538
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Speaker 3: I mean, like you sit there and said it justin

539
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 3: Herbert man he got craped. Bless you guys would have

540
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 3: sat out. But your franchise quarterback is expected to show

541
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Speaker 3: up and take the ball every week, fair or not.

542
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Speaker 3: That's the expectation you saw with Philip Rivers. We've seen

543
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Speaker 3: it with Peyton Manning, we saw with Tom Brady. Those

544
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Speaker 3: guys are franchise guys, Ben ROTHI Erber because they.

545
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Speaker 2: Showed up each and every week.

546
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Speaker 3: You know when you fill out the lineup card that

547
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Speaker 3: guy's in at QB one. There's something to be said

548
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Speaker 3: for that part of it. Your guy has to be

549
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Speaker 3: tough enough to play with some stuff, and even when

550
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Speaker 3: he's playing with stuff, he still has to play at

551
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 3: a high level. So people can take shots at Dak Prescott.

552
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 3: Da Prescott broke his stumb, but he still showed up

553
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Speaker 3: in play, So I can deal with that. The toughness

554
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Speaker 3: part of it, from a mental standpoint is can you

555
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Speaker 3: bounce back poor performances, bad throws, poor season?

556
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Speaker 2: How do you bounce back?

557
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Speaker 3: And so for me, I'm kind of excited to see

558
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Speaker 3: what Russell Wilson does because look, a guy who has

559
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Speaker 3: played at the level that he's played at for so long,

560
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Speaker 3: there's a pride that you have that you're not going

561
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Speaker 3: to go out like you just went out a season ago,

562
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Speaker 3: and so I'm excited to see that. But yeah, the toughness,

563
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 3: to bounce back ability, all of those things are critical

564
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Speaker 3: to be able to be a successful quarterback.

565
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Speaker 1: Now I won't go I won't, you know, spend the

566
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Speaker 1: time to go over all the names if we but

567
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Speaker 1: just think about them in your head and we won't

568
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Speaker 1: go through them. We'll leave you with this thought. But

569
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Speaker 1: if you think about the guys first round picks, particularly

570
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Speaker 1: top ten picks, that have not worked out at the

571
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Speaker 1: quarterback position, and just run them all through a mental

572
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Speaker 1: toughness checklist and see how many of those guys passed it.

573
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Speaker 3: Not many, so then so then that would bring me

574
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Speaker 3: to this part of it. Do we need to look

575
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Speaker 3: at quarterbacks that maybe not playing for the greatest teams,

576
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Speaker 3: but they're having to do.

577
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Speaker 2: A lot of stuff with guys that aren't the high

578
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Speaker 2: level stuff.

579
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Speaker 3: So you remember the conversation with Josh Alvin at Wyoming

580
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Speaker 3: ay Man, he didn't have a lot of maybe NFL

581
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Speaker 3: players around him.

582
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Speaker 2: But look at what he did, you know, look at

583
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Speaker 2: how he played with that, how he raised their level.

584
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Speaker 2: Some of that I do want it. It's hard.

585
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Speaker 3: It's hard to know how tough someone is unless you're

586
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 3: in the huddle or on the sideline. But one of

587
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 3: the things that we were always tasked with when we

588
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 3: were scouts, you need to go see him live, And

589
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 3: I would suggest you need to see him live multiple times.

590
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Speaker 3: And one of those games needs to be one of

591
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Speaker 3: those big moment games, rivalry game, Conference championship game, playoff game.

592
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Speaker 3: You need to see him when all the chips are

593
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Speaker 3: pushed into the center of the table. How do they

594
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 3: perform in those environments? Good, bad, or indifferent? How do

595
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 3: they do that? Watching justin fields against Trevor Lawrence in

596
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 3: the Bowl game, being able to see how you responded

597
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 3: to that, all of those things matter.

598
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Speaker 4: Now.

599
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Speaker 3: I don't know if he's gonna try to be a

600
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Speaker 3: great player, but he's shown some toughness, he's owned some

601
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 3: potential and promise in Chicago. Well, some of that for me,

602
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,479
Speaker 3: in terms of my confidence in him, had to do

603
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 3: it watching him go toe to toe with Trevor Lawrence

604
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Speaker 3: in a big game where everyone was doubting what he

605
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Speaker 3: and what the buck Eyes could do.

606
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Speaker 1: Yep. And I know some people are gonna listen to

607
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: this and say, what about a guy like Joe Burrow.

608
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: He played with all those stud receivers and they won

609
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Speaker 1: a national championship and he had everything around the year

610
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: before they did not the year before they did not.

611
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Speaker 1: And talk to anybody down there about the toughness he displayed.

612
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: I can't remember the game who it was me, he

613
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: was Kentucky. He got absolutely stroked and ended up coming

614
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: back in that game. The adversity he went through, you know,

615
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: from Ohio State to there. Remember all the videos of

616
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Speaker 1: him and the Matt drills and all that stuff, like

617
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: toughness was never a question mental orphice.

618
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Speaker 3: Not only did DJ because I got Bruce Feldman has

619
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Speaker 3: chronicled it when he went to LSU and how those

620
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 3: guys talked trash to him every day.

621
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Speaker 2: I think it was Devin White. Was Devin White dead?

622
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: I think?

623
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Speaker 3: So he had to go back and forth and all

624
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 3: of that other stuff. And so when we talk about

625
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 3: scouting in digging deeper, part of the reasons you need

626
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,959
Speaker 3: to go around, man, you got to have those conversations,

627
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 3: so people can tell you what the toughness is like.

628
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 3: And it ain't from the coaches. It's from the players,

629
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Speaker 3: because the players always tell you where they got is.

630
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Speaker 1: Tough enough one hundred percent. All right, we're gonna take

631
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: a quick break. When we come back. We're gonna have

632
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: a little fun Big ten versus SEC. We're gonna go

633
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: twenty two players each, starting eleven on each side of

634
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Speaker 1: the ball. Which conference has more guys. We'll get into

635
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: that right after this. All right, Buck, I thought this

636
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: would be a fun exercise, and the Bill has done

637
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: some homework for us. He's done some research and then

638
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: we're able to kind of make some adjustments and tweaks

639
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: to it. But I thought we would go through and

640
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: why don't we just start with the offense first. I'll

641
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: go Big ten, you go SEC. I'll give you the players,

642
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: and then maybe afterwards we can have a discussion of

643
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: where we think the more talented team is. Again, the

644
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: way we did this is current Big ten and SEC team.

645
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: So an example, if you were played at Missouri, you

646
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: were technically in the Big twelve, but we're going to

647
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: count Missouri as an SEC school, so that's where they

648
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: where these teams are now just kind of get a

649
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: sense of the program and where the development is taking place.

650
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: You rate a roll. Let's do it man, all right,

651
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: let's go Big ten offense. You know, one of the

652
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: things about the Big Ten that's kind of challenging is

653
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Speaker 1: that in one year you lose Tom Brady, who I

654
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Speaker 1: would you know, would have been the quarterback. You lose

655
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: JJ Watt, who would have been you know, defensive tackle

656
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: for you. You lose Devin mccordy, you know, with records being

657
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: a Big Ten team would have been in safety. So

658
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: the a lot three, three really good players have moved on.

659
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: So quarterback. You know, it's interesting, you know, we used

660
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: to have all the Michigan guys and and I think

661
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: the Big Ten you know, has some Ohio State players

662
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: as well. But right now this decision really kind of

663
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: comes down to Kirk Cousins versus Russell Wilson. You know,

664
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: you've got justin fields as well, but I think, you know,

665
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: you based off of last year, I have to take

666
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins as the guy in Michigan State's Kirk Cousins, what.

667
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: Is he a three or four time pro bowler?

668
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been at the top of charts statistically, even

669
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 3: though he's a fourth round pick.

670
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: Look, man, he started.

671
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 3: He's played pretty well for two franchises, first to Washington franchise,

672
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 3: then he goes to Minnesota and we can talk about

673
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 3: a is he a primetime player or whatever, but coming

674
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 3: from wheree look, and I remember watching him in that

675
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: championship game.

676
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins.

677
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: I never thought that he would be what he's been.

678
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 3: But man to be a starting quarterback in the league

679
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 3: for over a decade. Hass off to Kirk Cousins.

680
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: All right, So then we go the skill positions here.

681
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: Running backs are great with the Big Ten. I ended

682
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: up going sa Kwon Barkley over Jonathan Taylor. No wrong

683
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: answer there with those guys. Receiver wise, you get Stefan

684
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: Diggs from Maryland big time, and you can go any

685
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: Ohio State kid you want to go with. But I

686
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: went with McLaurin, Terry McLaurin, then Garrett Wilson coming off

687
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: a monster year, and then at tight end, George Kittle

688
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: was an easy one out of Iowa. I feel really

689
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: good about the backs and receivers the Big Ten's given me.

690
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 2: I mean, just think about some of the guys that

691
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: you left off.

692
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 3: You left Michael Thomas off the list, and thinking about

693
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 3: when Michael Thomas was in his best how you said

694
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 3: catch records and all that other stuff, and DJ Moore

695
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 3: Chris Godwin like there's I mean, they're I mean, they're

696
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 3: absolutely news.

697
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 2: And so the Big Ten certainly, yeah, they've they've they've

698
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: held their.

699
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 3: Own when it comes to producing skill guys, particularly skill

700
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Speaker 3: guys that can impact the passing it.

701
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: Yep, uh so again, and I was going to give

702
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: you a ton of tight ends. George Kittle will be

703
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: the choice there. Tackles offensive line wise, I love the

704
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: offensive line. You get Tristan Wurf's and Rashawn Slater is

705
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: the two tackles. The interior guys you get Brandon Shurf

706
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: from Iowa and Kevin Zeitler from Wisconsin, two veterans who've

707
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: played well for a long time. And then at center,

708
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: I had a couple options there. I ended up going

709
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Speaker 1: with Linderbaum. Tyler Linderbaum coming off a really, really good year,

710
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: young player just I think's got a chance to be

711
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: the best center in the league for a long time.

712
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: But Corey Linsley from Ohio State would have been another

713
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: good option as well. So that's that's the offense right there.

714
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: Your thoughts.

715
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I mean it's a pretty good offense.

716
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 3: Uh. When I when I look up front, it is

717
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 3: hard to beat what they have I do. I will

718
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 3: say this, The Iowa Hawkeys are well represented.

719
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Speaker 1: How about that? How about that guys?

720
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Speaker 3: I mean, if you include the tight end, who is

721
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 3: half five of the six guys, I mean, my goodness,

722
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 3: Kurt Parents, and what those guys have done. The Hawkeys,

723
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 3: they've done a really good job of producing guys up front.

724
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 3: And we've seen it normally. If it's not Iowa, we're

725
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 3: always talking about Wisconsin guys. And so in the Big

726
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 3: Ten they have a reputation for producing the big uglies,

727
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 3: the guys that can control and kind of deal with

728
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 3: the people in the trenches, the hog mollies, I think

729
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 3: is how they were referenced. Uh, they do a really

730
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 3: good job up front.

731
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 2: All right.

732
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: So that I've made the case there, that's the Big

733
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: Ten group. Now you get to, uh, you get to

734
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Speaker 1: step up to the plate, and I think you've got

735
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: some tough decisions to make here with the SEC.

736
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Speaker 2: I do have some.

737
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 3: Tough decisions, but it's a lot easier when we start

738
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 3: at quarterback, because I'm gonna go with Joe Burrow. Joe

739
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 3: Burrow had the splendid run obviously at LSU. We've seen

740
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 3: what he's been able to do in Cincinnati. All those

741
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 3: things that we talked about earlier in the episode in

742
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 3: terms of being able to be a force multiplier, we've

743
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Speaker 3: seen that happen in real time with the Cincinnati Bengals.

744
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: And so Joe Burrow to me, was the easy selection.

745
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: All right, let's I can't argue with that. Now we

746
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: get to some decisions to make it to the skill guys,

747
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: you got the this is running back, the receivers and

748
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: the tight end who you got?

749
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 3: Okay, So at running back, I'm just gonna take Alabama.

750
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna take the University of Alabama. If you

751
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,239
Speaker 3: gotta pick one, I can take. I can take all

752
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 3: of them.

753
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: But like right now, let's go in together with the

754
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: leading Russia last year. Let's go with Josh Jacobs.

755
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Speaker 3: And I know, look, man, it's hard because I got

756
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 3: Derrick Henry who was there.

757
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: I got Nick.

758
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 3: Chubb who is on Twitter squad, and six hundred and

759
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 3: seventy five pounds. Just watching that make my back, not up.

760
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 3: I don't know why you want to put that much

761
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 3: on your back, but hey, go for Nick Chub. But

762
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 3: Josh Jacobs is the representative at wide receiver though, man

763
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, Who about this Smith? I mean,

764
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 3: we have those guys, and so those are the three

765
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Speaker 3: that I'm going with.

766
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Speaker 2: But in doing it, I left off A J. Brown.

767
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: You can't take I love Davonte Smith, but you can't

768
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: take him over A J. Brown. They are on the

769
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Speaker 1: same team and AJ's I mean, I mean, I guess,

770
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: but I mean, are you gonna get grief for that?

771
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: Let me save you from the grief You're gonna get

772
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: for that. Ole miss fans are gonna get after if

773
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 1: you don't.

774
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 3: Make that okay, So Hugh Freeze's old people will come

775
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 3: out and I'll say A J.

776
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 2: Brown, A J. Brown goes over.

777
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 3: But like I still got DK Metcalf, I still have

778
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 3: others that I left off. Like it's really hard riches.

779
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 3: I mean, like just so many guys in the SEC.

780
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 3: But if you think about it, let's go a J. Brown,

781
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 3: Jamar ch Is, Justin Jefferson, Monti Smith, and DK Metcalf

782
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 3: coming off the bench.

783
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 2: Look that's a that's a nice trio. And then we

784
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 2: can throw in Dawson Knox.

785
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 3: And even though Dawson Knox hasn't been like a I

786
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 3: would say, high level.

787
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,720
Speaker 2: Pro bowler, all that other stuff, he's a really good player.

788
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 2: What if what if?

789
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: What if I tell you that you get seventeen games

790
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: out of Kyle.

791
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 2: Pitts, I mean, then he would be there. But am

792
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 2: I am I still gonna really count him as a.

793
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm not gonna argue with you, but I'm just

794
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: saying like, that's that's the sec though, the fact that

795
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: you've got somebody like Kyle Pitt's about Evan could be

796
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: the best tight end in the league if he's if

797
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: he runs out there.

798
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: How about Evan Ingram being able to catch passes? I

799
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 2: mean they have a lot of guys.

800
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 3: Uh, Hayden Hurst is mentioned in the group, but uh,

801
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 3: you're right, Kyle Pitz has the potential to be that guy.

802
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: But we'll go with Dason Kox right now?

803
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: All right, Uh, this is it is a stupid exercise.

804
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I love my Big ten team, but I mean,

805
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: as you can see as we're going through this, I'm here,

806
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: all right, go go to your offensive line. This might

807
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: be there. Maybe I can get you with the offensive

808
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: line because I love my Big ten offensive line.

809
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 3: No, your Big ten offensive line is spectacular. But I'm

810
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 3: gonna go with Laramie Tossel and one tackle. I can

811
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 3: have Brayden Smith play the other tackle. I got Elton Jenkins,

812
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 3: Tray Smith playing inside at the guards, and then you

813
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 3: know as center, Frank Ragnow has been really good coming

814
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 3: out of Arkansas.

815
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 2: But you know, I can throw David Andrews in there.

816
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 2: I mean a couple of guys, a couple of different

817
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: ways I can go. I kind of feel like you

818
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 2: may have me up front.

819
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: Well, can I give you one? Can I give you

820
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: one that you can change there? Because you can go, uh,

821
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas. Because I went with two left tackles. You're

822
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: trying to do it by the book and do a

823
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: left tackle right tackle thing.

824
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: It's certainly better Andrew Thomas.

825
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: So you're gonna go. So you go Tunsil and Andrew Thomas.

826
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's some good options you got here. And

827
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: rag Now so Tray Smith. That's a good group.

828
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 3: Man.

829
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Larry Tunslill be the best best

830
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: tackle in the league. If we're gonna know with Trent

831
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 1: Williams is in that discussion obviously.

832
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 3: Oh you know what, Hold on, wait minute, are we

833
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 3: count we count Oklahoma yet?

834
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: Oklahoma's not not yet, not yet, they're not out Texas,

835
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: Texas and Oklahoma not.

836
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: Yet, because then that changes, because because he certainly would be.

837
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I like like, I like my whiteouts, but

838
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: i'd give you the edge on the white outs. You've

839
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: got the edge at quarterback. I may be Big ten.

840
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: It's a fair fight. When we're talking about the top

841
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: two running backs you have. The SEC has more depth.

842
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: Tight end, I'll take my tight end. Offensive line is

843
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: probably a tie, but maybe you could squeak that out.

844
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: So I mean, even if I'm being if I'm being

845
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 1: overly generous to the big ten, I give the big

846
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: ten running backs and I give the Big ten tight end,

847
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: and maybe O line you'd have quarterback receiver. I mean

848
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: I'm being I mean, I'm being overly generous, but I

849
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: think once we get to the other side of the ball,

850
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 1: maybe maybe it even slants even more towards the SEC.

851
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: Are you ready to go?

852
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 4: Yeah?

853
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm ready. Here we go, So we go. We're

854
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: going on.

855
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 1: I'll start us off here. I'll start us off with defense. Now,

856
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: this defensive front for the Big Ten is no joke,

857
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: especially with edge rushers. Now, I could have fudged it

858
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: just to mess with you, and I could have put

859
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons at the linebacker. But if you know the

860
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: drama that took place the last time we had this,

861
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: Mike up, I mean there's no.

862
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: Because I'm surprised that you didn't put him.

863
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: I didn't flip it. I didn't flip on you.

864
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: That would have created an opportunity for you to put

865
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 2: another guy in. That is probably it.

866
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: Would have because think about this, I've got I've got

867
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: Nick Bosa and Micah Parsons is the edge rushers. Now,

868
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: keep in mind, I still had t J.

869
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: Watt to choose.

870
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: I still had Joey Bosa to choose from. Like that,

871
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: it's an it's a good group of edge rushers. So anyways,

872
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: even with with Nick Bosa, Michael Parsons elede elite, you

873
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: go with the DT's I gotta go to Ohio State

874
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: for that. With Cam Hayward uh and Draymont Jones who

875
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: just got some money, a good player, A lot of

876
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: Ohio State linebackers. I gotta go Vets. I'm gonna go

877
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: with Levonte David and Devondre Campbell, and then we get

878
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: to the secondary again, a lot of Ohio State, Denzel Ward,

879
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: Marshawn Lattimore, and then I will go with Antoine Winfield

880
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: Junior kind of is my third, you know, he could

881
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: be my nickel. And then that's safety. I'll go with

882
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: Brisker from Penn State, young player, and I'll go with

883
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: von Bell, who I've always been a good player in

884
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: this league out of Ohio State. Just got paid again.

885
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: So that's the defense. I love the defensive front, no

886
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: question this front.

887
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: I would have made it. I would have made that move.

888
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 3: I would have designated Michael Parsons as a linebacker because

889
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 3: then I would have been able to put another.

890
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: Juice up a little bit.

891
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, give you a little more juice on the front line.

892
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 3: And you know, maybe I removed either line DeVante David

893
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 3: or Devondre Campbe because Michael Parsons is a superior, more

894
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 3: accomplished player. It would upgrade it. But yeah, j you

895
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 3: have a tough time with the SEC. You have a

896
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 3: tough time matching up with It's gonna be a tough one.

897
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a tough one here. I can't wait

898
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 3: see the decisions you gotta make here. Well, for me

899
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 3: at edge, I think it's pretty easy, even though there's

900
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 3: some worthy candidate. So we go Miles Garrett on one side,

901
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 3: Von Miller on the other side. Guys that were in

902
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 3: the conversation and under consideration, uh danil Hunter from LSU, who.

903
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: Meant quietly, you look at his sac numbers, they're ridiculous.

904
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 3: Montes Witt and Josh all those guys are worth the

905
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 3: candidates outside of the edge. Inside though, this is where

906
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 3: you have problems because you got for you, you have

907
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 3: Chris Jones and Quinn Williams. But if I didn't want

908
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 3: Quinn Williams, I could add Jeffrey Simmons. I mean, you

909
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 3: got Jonathan Allen, you got Deryn Paine, you got Derek Brown.

910
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 3: I mean, there are a lot of options on the

911
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 3: interior where you can get it done and just kind

912
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 3: of like play four man front linebacker Rokwan Smith is

913
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 3: in trench Man. These are two really intriguing names, Nick

914
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 3: Bolton or Drake Greenlaw. And you could you could pick

915
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 3: your I mean you could pick your poison. Both have

916
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 3: been very productive. Both are dominant players uh in the secondary.

917
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 3: And this this would be interesting because I got pastor

918
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 3: ten at one corner. I have the options of Darius Slay,

919
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 3: Stefan Gilmore, j C. Horn, Marlon Humphrey, tr Davius White

920
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 3: to play the other corner.

921
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: Man, I think you gotta go Slay, you go, you

922
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: go with Slave.

923
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 3: But I'm sitting here thinking, man, you got a defensive

924
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 3: Player of the Year former and Stephanie Gilmore. You have

925
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 3: Jase Horn, who man is the best that never's really

926
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 3: played a full year. Moreland Humphrey's played at a high level,

927
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 3: with your Davis White's play at high level.

928
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 2: All those guys are good. CJ.

929
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 3: Gardner Johnson playing the nickel, but DJ, I think the

930
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 3: guy that people sleep on her Mike Hilton, who played

931
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 3: at Ole Miss.

932
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: I didn't know he played at Miss.

933
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 3: He's a really good player, one of the best blitzing

934
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 3: slot corners that you will find. And then in safety,

935
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 3: Mika Fitzpatrick, the honey Badger. I mean, there are other

936
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 3: guys you can throw in there, but man, just having

937
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 3: Minka and the Honey Badger, you just talk about being

938
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:40,479
Speaker 3: able to get it done.

939
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 2: That's a lot.

940
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a tough one to compete with. Man, I

941
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: can say even like the ends, I would say is

942
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: a draw. I would say the ends could be a

943
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: draw for the Big Ten. You've got defensive tackle, You've

944
00:41:55,320 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: got linebacker, corner. Yeah, I mean that's that's close. I

945
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: mean that's a competition worth having. Safety. You get the

946
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: edge there as well. The difference, too, I think, is

947
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: that I don't have as many options in the Big Ten,

948
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: you know, depth wise, like you had decisions to make

949
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: where you could go list of four or five six guys.

950
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 1: The defensive tackle lists you just put out there just ridiculous.

951
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:21,479
Speaker 1: Where all those dudes are.

952
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: Well, that's the difference.

953
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 3: And I think DJ a couple of things like inside

954
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 3: information in terms of like the scouting world. A lot

955
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 3: of times what teams do is they put their best

956
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 3: scout in the South, in the Southeast so they can

957
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 3: cover the SEC. If you think about the lay of

958
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 3: the land and the way the pecking order rates when

959
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 3: it comes to producing draft talent, the SEC is number one,

960
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 3: and so you want your best eyes to take a

961
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 3: look at the best players when you're making the decisions

962
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 3: on those players that ultimately come from that conference. The

963
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 3: Big Ten, though, has certainly closed the gap and they've

964
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,439
Speaker 3: been intriguing. I think the thing that I would love

965
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 3: to see is looking at the ACC in comparison to

966
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 3: the Big Ten because of Lake. The a CEC has

967
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 3: certainly produced some talented prospects, but being able to stack

968
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 3: that up.

969
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 2: But what you're seeing is, man, look it's the.

970
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 3: SEC and then it's the others and we can poke

971
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 3: fund and people get mad about they talk about the

972
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 3: SEC and the SEC and the football playoff. But the

973
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 3: best players are kind of coming from that LT. I

974
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 3: mean they're coming from that area. I mean, that's that's ultimately,

975
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 3: that's where they're coming from. Just can't find them, particularly

976
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 3: on the defenside of the ball in the trenches.

977
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially interior defensive tackles. You got to go shopping

978
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: in the SEC if you want a big time d tackle.

979
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: That's just where they are.

980
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 3: Mean that that's where they are. You just don't you know,

981
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 3: that's always been the difference. When we go back to college.

982
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 3: They just don't make the kind of people that walk

983
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 3: the earth. They don't make them everywhere. They happen to

984
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 3: find a bunch of them down in the SEC.

985
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: Well, the good thing is that with the Big ten.

986
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: Do a lot of your shopping at two places at

987
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: Ohio State and Iowa. Iowa for your offensive lineman and

988
00:43:55,560 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: tight end. Ohio State for your receivers, your corners, your

989
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: your edge rushers. You know, really it's it's you can

990
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,959
Speaker 1: get legit they have, you know, look at Ohio State.

991
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: It's not like I'm telling somebody that something they don't know.

992
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: But good, good groups there. But again, interior defensive lineman tough,

993
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: that's gonna be tough. I mean, Cam Hayward is a

994
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: really good player. Draymond Jones a really good player. You

995
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: just had six, you had six to eight guys though,

996
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: to list there in the SEC like, it's just different, different.

997
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 2: Deal, just just a very different deal.

998
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: All right. That was fun exercise, man, anything else you

999
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 1: want to jump into before we get out of here?

1000
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 3: Buck, No, it's fun having a conversation on quarterbacks. Frank

1001
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 3: Frank Wright gave us some interesting stuff to chat on.

1002
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 3: It's something that I certainly would use that. It's always insightful,

1003
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 3: and I love when teams give us a little access

1004
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 3: like that, even though we know a lot of.

1005
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: These coaches and their friends and those things.

1006
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 3: It's great to hear them talk about what they're looking for.

1007
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: MHM. One update before we leave here on the pond.

1008
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: On the pond, I took some pictures of some of

1009
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: the ones that we caught. Now I was told that

1010
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: these were all small mouth bass. It turns out that's

1011
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: not the case. We've got some different, oh different fish

1012
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, somebody. I sent it to a friend,

1013
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: my buddy in the south, and he wrote back and said, oh,

1014
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: you've got a perch. You got some perch. Oh, And

1015
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here going, well, there's a little bridge, like

1016
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: this little bridge that goes over this little baby pond.

1017
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: Like is he talking about like a perch? Like you

1018
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: look out over the pond. Come to find out perch.

1019
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 1: I guess it's a fish. I've never heard of this before.

1020
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: What the heck is a perch?

1021
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,439
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you know, you know, your boy,

1022
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 2: I'm out of my element. I have perch.

1023
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what even know what that is. But

1024
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: h I've got better at the hook thing. I got

1025
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: better at getting the hook out, So I've improved in

1026
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 1: that department. True story, we ran out of worms because

1027
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: we were using worms to catch them. So I sent

1028
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: my son he's fifteen. I go, hey, and you got

1029
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: to go up to the house man. We got to

1030
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: get some other bait to catch them with because we

1031
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 1: were we have some fruit trees and stuff. I tried

1032
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: like attaching, like a little grapefruit. I tried a little

1033
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: orange no interest to fish in. They weren't biting. So

1034
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: you know what he comes down with, buck A little

1035
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 1: left over, A little leftover Chick fil A chicken nugs.

1036
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: I got two fish. I got two fish with chicken nuggets.

1037
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 1: Everybody loves Chick fil A. That's the whole point. That's

1038
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You can literally Chick fil A is

1039
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 1: not just a human things.

1040
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: It almost sounds like a sponsorship deal.

1041
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: Oh I would, I would take it. I got this

1042
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: is no no, no, no Chick fil A gift cards

1043
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: have come my way yet. But if we could, if

1044
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: we could get that.

1045
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: The fact that you're there's something about that it works.

1046
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: I think I've stumbled on. I think I'm making some inroads.

1047
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: I'm some innovative stuff going on here in the backyard

1048
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: in the pond right now.

1049
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 2: And if you told me that you hit them with

1050
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 2: the Chick fil A sauce on the nugget and they

1051
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 2: went for it. Then I'd be like, oh my god,

1052
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 2: the fish.

1053
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: No, no, yeah, maybe that's the next step. But I

1054
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: all also think about that, like the fish, like, think

1055
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: about how disappointing it would be. Like how you you know,

1056
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: you always had coaches who always say, like, how you

1057
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 1: want to go out, how you want to fish? These

1058
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: other fish went out with the worm, Like that's just

1059
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: like that's not even a good meal. Like this guy

1060
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: went out like this was like death go last meal. Like, hey,

1061
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: I've always wanted a Chick fil a, I'm going out.

1062
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: That's like, that's like file foh. I thought about I

1063
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: thought about when I was catching these things too. You know,

1064
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: you open the mouth, get the hook out. I thought

1065
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: about trying to look in there and see if I

1066
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: could see those my my coyfish. Whoever ate those things,

1067
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: You're going to see who the guilty party was there.

1068
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: I still got those catfish. They're just skimming along the bottom.

1069
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: They want nothing to do with the worms. They have

1070
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: no interest in the chicken nuggets. I don't know how

1071
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get those things out. I have no idea.

1072
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: They don't know what they eat.

1073
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to go. You're gonna have to go

1074
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 2: on there. You have to find a way.

1075
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 1: And everybody's told me now that these catfish that the whiskers, uh,

1076
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: that they can like they're like stingya, like you could

1077
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: get you could get messed up by the catfish. Wist,

1078
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,240
Speaker 1: unless somebody's messing with me. I think this is truil information.

1079
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know anything. The only thing I know about.

1080
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: Cat Buddy Dave. My buddy Dave's a fisherman, and he

1081
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Speaker 1: sent me, hey, be careful you catch that catfish. Be

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Speaker 1: careful with those whiskers, Like what I thought whiskers were soft?

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Speaker 1: Like what's going on here?

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Speaker 3: The only thing I know about catfish or when I

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Speaker 3: was coming up, there was a minor league baseball team

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Speaker 3: called the Carolina my Cats.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, they.

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Speaker 3: Used to be they used to be the Pittsburgh Pirates

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Speaker 3: affiliates and they had a nice little logo of a catfish.

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Speaker 2: And all that other stuff. But I know nothing beyond it.

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Speaker 1: I've had I ate a lot of catfish. When I

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Speaker 1: was in Louisiana at Northeast Louisiana, they had a little

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Speaker 1: spot there, little catfish sandwich, good stuff. I'm not eating

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Speaker 1: the catfish out of my pond. I can tell you

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Speaker 1: that much. No chance that thing's been eating food from

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Speaker 1: pet Goo. You think I'm gonna throw that thing on

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Speaker 1: my plate, No chance?

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But hey, if you're listening, go go get yourself some

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Speaker 1: chicken nugs. Throw that thing up on the hook. See

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Speaker 1: what you can catch.

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Speaker 2: Here's something in you made above.

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Speaker 1: All right. Uh, that's your fishing update for the day.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be back next week again. Chris Peterson will

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Speaker 1: be with us on Monday. It should be a fun episode.

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Speaker 1: Hope you join us. We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 2: Right here on Move the Stays