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Speaker 2: Did you played against Bird too? Now? Yes? Why I

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Speaker 3: That was my daddy favorite player. My daddy favorite player

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Speaker 1: Like so I tell everybody the best players name magic

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Speaker 1: Like Isaiah told his story, he was like put.

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Speaker 2: He said, you put this white dude on me.

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Speaker 1: He goes, You're going to offend me like that, like

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Speaker 2: Even like him, like he's the blackest white dude.

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Speaker 1: They want to see they can get you a taxi,

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Speaker 1: but then they get in the car and speak like

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Speaker 3: I was snook, you need friends like that.

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Speaker 1: Those but he would Larry was when I watch it

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Speaker 1: he never missed. I've never seen a miss.

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Speaker 2: Larry.

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Speaker 3: But he stopped shooting. Stop he shot Listen, every time

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Speaker 3: I think he had a bullets. He pulled out another ki, I'm.

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Speaker 2: A shooter, shoot shooter, shoot shooter. Shoot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm gonna say Larr Bird was one of

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Speaker 1: And because he was like, let me get these guys ready,

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Speaker 2: But Larry. I thought I was gonna be Larry's teammate.

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Speaker 1: And I walked in, man, and everything was iced at

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Speaker 1: that we consider to be menial, but it means so

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Speaker 2: Like I wouldn't. I wasn't even rookie.

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Speaker 4: I had year six.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, I got a d still call

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Speaker 2: And I like, I getting up for real, I don't go. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And then the Lakers, I love it. You sweep the

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Speaker 1: On the bus, bat Fan, we kicked the windows out

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Speaker 3: So listen, y'all really are the bad boys were talking.

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Speaker 4: So you guys go bad boys Jordan Rules, win championships

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and and you don't have to be So this

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Speaker 1: I still play good defense. I still with its. When

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Speaker 3: So when you got there, you Mike had to go

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Speaker 2: Y'all got going on clean it up. Because he walked

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Speaker 3: Left us to the fucking office. And we sat there

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Speaker 3: to talk this ship. I was just competitive out for ship.

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Speaker 3: It ain't had nothing personal against each other, but you

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Speaker 3: just know, motherfuckers just keep bumping heads every time you

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Speaker 2: No, so we frat brothers Omega si FI incorporated. Okay

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Speaker 2: and uh and and you can't do that?

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Speaker 4: You do?

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Speaker 2: What do it? That ship? One room roots.

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Speaker 1: But I was always MJ's man anyway, so you know it.

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Speaker 1: I'm like you before the game, you know, like this,

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Speaker 1: After the game, I want to, hey, where are we going?

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Speaker 1: And he was like, We're not going anywhere. You you

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Speaker 1: He used to I would he was a cheap shot

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Speaker 1: know how you play. I'm gonna play the same way.

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Speaker 2: Would you. I try to get him to come on

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Speaker 1: I don't talk, but that's is that the mentality is

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Speaker 1: when I'm playing, you know, I'm I'm doing what's legal.

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Speaker 1: I'm not really cheap shotting you. Uh, if you're going

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Speaker 2: And block your shot. So MJ. He wasn't.

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Speaker 1: He didn't come at me any kind of way. Scottie

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Speaker 1: knew I was. The funniest thing is Ron Harpo literally

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Speaker 1: I was like, shut the what are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: Go study somewhere else anyway. Damn, my cousin Mike is

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Speaker 1: If I got that smiley, that's study. We pick on

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Speaker 2: I know what we let you to do. I changed something,

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Speaker 4: So going through it now you play with the Rodmins,

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Speaker 4: in my opinion, what I want to hear about is

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Speaker 4: like the Isaiah Jordan's Kobe shack, Like what difference in mentalities?

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Speaker 4: Because years go by, right, like those guys are obviously

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Speaker 3: Mentalities changed with the errasts do you think do you?

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Speaker 3: I'm asking you, do you think something? The mentality is changed.

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Speaker 2: With the arras.

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Speaker 1: No, Isaiah wanted you dead, Michael wanted you dead, Kobe

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Speaker 1: wanted you dead period period and then one of resurrect.

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Speaker 2: You and kill you again. So that was it, like

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Speaker 2: you're not taking me.

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Speaker 1: It was funny because when Phil would take m J

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Speaker 1: Javis sits okay. He would sit there and I was like,

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Speaker 1: what it just happened? Like he's at he's he has

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Speaker 1: forty six pull him out the game. The real difference

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Speaker 1: guys take days off now. I mean Michael was talking

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Speaker 2: Played sixty five games a year. Of course he's gonna

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Speaker 2: be fresh.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: He was always on him that way. But there's no

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Speaker 1: way you wasn't you were going to get Kobe not

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Speaker 1: to play a game, Michael not to play a game,

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Speaker 1: or Isaiah them not giving up these minutes. So when

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Speaker 1: I see guys talk about load, I don't understand because

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Speaker 1: to play and a back to back You gotta get

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Speaker 1: up at five, the flights at seven. They had to

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Speaker 4: That's a full time job, full time arrange.

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Speaker 2: It's true, so he had arrange different. It's just it

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Speaker 1: They loved the game so much that they were not

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Speaker 1: going to take a night off. Isaiah took a night

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Speaker 4: M J.

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Speaker 1: I have never and you can check MJ didn't have any.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember him ever having days off where he

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Speaker 2: You had to tear it. Being hurt is a difference

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