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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Let's go. Are you

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Speaker 1: ready for a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah, And so much for that.

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Speaker 1: It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, October sixth, twenty twenty one, season seventeen,

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Speaker 1: episode number thirty five. Welcome to the latest edition of

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Speaker 1: The Break Life from the s WBC Mortgage Studios at

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Speaker 1: the Star. And I have to admit last night I

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Speaker 1: was thinking, Man, I really don't know how we're gonna

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Speaker 1: lead the show today. No, we're gonna talk to Bucky

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Speaker 1: and talk a little bit about the the New York

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Speaker 1: Giants their offense. But I really didn't know what we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about. And then literally literally about thirty minutes later,

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Speaker 1: the news breaks and I'm like, we got our first segment.

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Speaker 1: Here we go first, right, it might actually take a

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Speaker 1: lot more than that. But God, but and again I'm

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Speaker 1: not I am not at all rejoicing in another man sorrow.

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Speaker 1: I never am happy when a player gets released but

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Speaker 1: I do understand the business of football and business football

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Speaker 1: said that this was something that probably needed to happen.

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Speaker 1: Timing was interesting, but Jalen Smith released by the Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys last night. Mike McCarthy said in his press conference

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Speaker 1: a few minutes ago that this was a big picture

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Speaker 1: roster move. He said. He said they felt like this

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Speaker 1: was the best time to do it, and it wasn't

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Speaker 1: an easy decision for them, is what he said. They

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Speaker 1: still owe him. I think what is it, seven million

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Speaker 1: dollars for this season a little over that. So the

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Speaker 1: question for you guys is, and I think these are

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Speaker 1: two different questions, so answer them as such, why and

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Speaker 1: why now? So let's start first with you Nick. Why

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Speaker 1: I think that. I think it is a big picture move.

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Speaker 1: And I've said this before. I said it's on the radio.

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Speaker 1: This is a situation of I'm gonna get you before

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Speaker 1: you get me. That's what I believe. That's why I

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Speaker 1: think it's a why now, playing that he's on the

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Speaker 1: hook for seven million dollars this year, that nothing can

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Speaker 1: change with that next year if he's hurt in any way,

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Speaker 1: and I'm talking about hurt for March fifteenth or whenever

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Speaker 1: the new league. Gear is hurt, can't pass the physical

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Speaker 1: because he had a surgery or something. That's nine million dollars.

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Speaker 1: His agent would be the dumbest agent in the world

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Speaker 1: if they didn't figure out a way to do that.

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Speaker 1: So that's a way that would be. They could get him,

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Speaker 1: they could get the Cowboys. I think this is a

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Speaker 1: way of I'll get you before you get me. We

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Speaker 1: don't feel like you're a good enough player to do

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Speaker 1: this for next year. We've already made our bed this year.

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Speaker 1: You're not playing a whole lot, so you're playing okay,

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Speaker 1: think I think those two things go hand in hand.

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Speaker 1: That's what I stressed to people when we talk about

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Speaker 1: this is like nobody woke up yesterday and there's like

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Speaker 1: a Jalen Sich and they flipped it. You know, nobody

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Speaker 1: this has happened. These are conversations that have been happening

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Speaker 1: probably since February, and then again in March, and then

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Speaker 1: again in April, and then again after you draft Michael Parsons,

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Speaker 1: and then again after you draft Jabril Cox, and then again,

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Speaker 1: like every day during training camp and during the preseason.

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Speaker 1: And this isn't to make us sound smart. We were

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Speaker 1: caught completely off guard, just like the rest of the world.

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Speaker 1: But have we not heard whispers of this being a

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Speaker 1: We can't go public with everything we hear in this job.

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Speaker 1: This is something they've been considering. Jalen has got us

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Speaker 1: And then to nixt point, they say, if anything happens

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Speaker 1: not how it works. It is six months of analysis

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Speaker 1: Like the thing is is, yeah, we could have gotten

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Speaker 1: It's so true because, like I remember in twenty sixteen

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Speaker 1: Life from the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star. We're

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Speaker 1: joined right now by Bucky Brooks of NFL Network and Bucky,

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Speaker 1: I want to start today with the news of the day.

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Speaker 1: Give me your thoughts when you first start the news

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Speaker 1: that Jalen Smith is no longer with the Cowboys. I

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Speaker 1: know you had mentioned I think it was last week

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Speaker 1: or week before, and you thought he actually was playing

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Speaker 1: better this year. What were your thoughts when you first

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Speaker 1: heard the Cowboys made to move, just maybe surprised by

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Speaker 1: the time, and I thought if this move was going

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Speaker 1: to be made, it would have made doing training camp.

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Speaker 1: So all you have to do is followed the t leaves.

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Speaker 1: Teams typically give you bird dropping and then let you

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Speaker 1: know what they're thinking. When the Cowboys draft two linebackers

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Speaker 1: relatively high in the draft and telling me that they

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Speaker 1: have an issue at linebacker that they wanted to resolve

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Speaker 1: when they signed another veteran in Keanunel, who was a safety,

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Speaker 1: that they're moving the linebacker. It tells you that they

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Speaker 1: don't believe in the linebackers that they currently had, And

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Speaker 1: so when I looked at the situation coming out of

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Speaker 1: training camp, I expect him to be one of the

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Speaker 1: guys that might have been let go at the end

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Speaker 1: of camp because normally, when you have a surplus, you

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Speaker 1: make the move in then you're not necessarily tied into

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Speaker 1: some of the money dependent upon how the deal was

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Speaker 1: worked out, particularly when money guarantees for rookie for veterans.

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Speaker 1: After the first week, when new that he made the

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Speaker 1: team and you're now you're on the hook for the

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Speaker 1: seven point two million dollars, I'm kind of thinking, well,

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Speaker 1: maybe he's going to be around, because, look, the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: thing had been working. The defense had been playing well.

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Speaker 1: Even though he wasn't starting, he was coming in and

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Speaker 1: he was doing a good job in the role that

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Speaker 1: he was assigned to do. Look, I'm not saying that

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Speaker 1: he was playing at a Pro Bowl level, but he

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Speaker 1: certainly wasn't awful when he was on the field, and

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Speaker 1: because the team was winning. Typically you try not to

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Speaker 1: mess with the culture of the locker room when things

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Speaker 1: are going well, that's it. The league has now evolved

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Speaker 1: into where you're seeing more of these teams play with

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Speaker 1: two linebackers extensively, and then that other guy is a safety, hybrid,

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Speaker 1: a nickel, somebody else. Because you have to be fast, athletic,

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Speaker 1: and you have to be able to do things in coverage.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Smith certainly can't do that. But in listening to

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Speaker 1: your guy's points in terms of where he may wind up,

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Speaker 1: I would expect him to see him in the league,

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Speaker 1: and I think what you have to do is look

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Speaker 1: at the coaches that followed that he coached, that coached

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Speaker 1: him before, they tend to still see those older players glowingly.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised to see Jamei Smith make his

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Speaker 1: way to the Raiders, just because when you think about

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Speaker 1: the Raiders and their defensive roles, he could potentially be

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Speaker 1: a fit there because Rob Mary Nelly could maybe bless

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Speaker 1: him and endorse him. That might be a place because

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Speaker 1: the Raiders have a tradition of trying to take retreads

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Speaker 1: in miscasts and giving them an opportunity to find regain

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Speaker 1: their career, rebuild their career. Yeah, for all the jokes

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Speaker 1: we make about the Giants, that a lot of cowboys

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Speaker 1: have wound up in Vegas since Rod got there. For sure,

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Speaker 1: when he when he first said that, Bucky, I thought

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Speaker 1: my first thought was Eberflus. Was Eberflus even here? When

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Speaker 1: I think he was? It was yeah for a little while. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So and he's still yeah, that's not on the schedule,

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Speaker 1: that's not as good. Yeah, everything that he screams Raiders

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Speaker 1: with him. So if that that happens, that would make

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Speaker 1: a lot of sense. And let me ask you this, Bucky,

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Speaker 1: you talked about those safeties that now kind of have

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Speaker 1: that role in the nickel. What player do you think

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Speaker 1: plays the most now with him no longer on the roster.

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Speaker 1: He was fourth on the team and tackles Jalen Smith.

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Speaker 1: So which player you think kind of takes a little

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Speaker 1: bit more of the bulk of his snaps? Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think the two players the Nashal Gonna, my Keyan O'Neil,

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Speaker 1: the Jibril Cox. I think you got to get those

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Speaker 1: guys into the mix and get him into rotation. I

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Speaker 1: think Kneil. I think I think Keian O'Neil gets the

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Speaker 1: first by the apple, just because of the familiarity with

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Speaker 1: the system, the trust that dan Quinn already has in him,

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Speaker 1: and his ability justin watching how he played, in training him,

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Speaker 1: his ability to potentially come down over the tight end,

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Speaker 1: his ability to be in the box and be comfortable.

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Speaker 1: I think he is the one that probably is first up.

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Speaker 1: But if Jabril Cox gets a chance to get on

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Speaker 1: the field and shows the team that he's ready to play,

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Speaker 1: I think he certainly would get more playing time. He

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Speaker 1: was drafted for a reason. He was drafted to occupy

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Speaker 1: this role. They've wanted to get younger. And I think

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Speaker 1: the bigger surprise is Lady vander Esch playing well and

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Speaker 1: DQ fallen in love with what es could bring to

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Speaker 1: the table. Could make it a situation with a linebacker

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Speaker 1: who has lve Michael Parson is on one side, Jabril

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Speaker 1: Cox on the other. So you have the veteran with

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Speaker 1: two young, dynamic athletes playing and now you just kind

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Speaker 1: of get after it because the goal of the defense

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Speaker 1: to be faster and more athletic. So buck my goal.

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Speaker 1: Last night, I was planning on having like a quiet night.

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Speaker 1: I was going to have the baseball game on in

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Speaker 1: the background and watch the Giant Saints game on my laptop.

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Speaker 1: And that just got completely nuked at like seven and

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Speaker 1: probably six forty five. So I haven't seen it, Um,

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Speaker 1: I have, I've I've been convinced for a long time

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Speaker 1: that Daniel Jones is not a good quarterback and then

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Speaker 1: he goes into the Superdome and drops four hundred yards

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Speaker 1: on the Saints. So what happened? And it is it

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Speaker 1: the sign of him turning a corner? Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: what are we talking about here? Is he good now? No?

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Speaker 1: I mean he's beginning to turn to the corner. He's

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Speaker 1: beginning to make plays. And second game that we've seen

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Speaker 1: this year one was the watching football team. He played

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Speaker 1: pretty well in that game, even though they came up

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Speaker 1: short parsonally because they jumped off sides on the field goal.

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Speaker 1: It's him. And then he played really well against the Saints.

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Speaker 1: And I hate to be the very bad news for

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Ay, this dude is pretty athletic. He's pretty good,

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Speaker 1: and they're doing some things that fit his wheelhouse. They're

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Speaker 1: using his talents. He can throw the ball and push

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Speaker 1: it outside. But he is a very athletic and borderline

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Speaker 1: dynamic athlete who can make things happen when he's running

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Speaker 1: the ball. So you will see quarterback draws, you will

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Speaker 1: see the occasional read option stuff to keep the defense honest,

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Speaker 1: and he'll take off and run. And so as he's

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Speaker 1: beginning to get more comfortable working under Jason Gett, we're

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Speaker 1: beginning to see some of the things that led the

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Speaker 1: Giants take him when he was playing. Good dude, he

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Speaker 1: is not a Slaus. Now he's I'm not quite ready

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Speaker 1: to say hey he's elite, but he's playing pretty well

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Speaker 1: and he could be problematic if you don't give him

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Speaker 1: the proper respect and attention that he's coming into this game.

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Speaker 1: They played that game at New Orleans without Sterling Shepherd

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Speaker 1: or Darius slay H and they had their best, obviously

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Speaker 1: the best offensive performance. I'm sorry Darres Slayton, so sorry.

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Speaker 1: Who filled those roles and what challenges do they present

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Speaker 1: that are different from the starters? Well, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think the one thing with like Sterling Shepherd is a

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Speaker 1: nice like number two, number three option. I think his

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Speaker 1: best stuff is when he gets in the slot and

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Speaker 1: he's able to work. He's one of the cleanest route

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Speaker 1: runners that you'll find, so he can twist and turn

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Speaker 1: and get your dbs all in a tizzy with his

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Speaker 1: route run ability. Kenny gollade is the guy that they

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Speaker 1: brought over to be the number one receiver. He is

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Speaker 1: supposed to anchor the passing game. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it's the right role for his skill set, but he's

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Speaker 1: playing their role. So when you didn't have Shephard, what

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Speaker 1: happened is Kadarius Tony, their first round pick, got more

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Speaker 1: opportunities to play in more balls win in his direction.

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Speaker 1: Kenny Galladey got more balls hit in his direction, and

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Speaker 1: then say, Kuon Barkley emerged, and we know if you

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Speaker 1: have three dynamic playmakers on an offense, you can make

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Speaker 1: that thing work. And so now they have some confidence

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Speaker 1: because they moved the ball down the fields the most

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Speaker 1: explosive that we've seen. So if you're Jason Garrett and

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Speaker 1: you're the Giants, you now try and figure out, Okay,

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Speaker 1: how can we build upon the effort that we put

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Speaker 1: together against a really solid New Orleans Saints defense. I

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Speaker 1: think they come with a lot of confidence and I

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Speaker 1: think they try and find a way to pick up

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Speaker 1: where they left off against the Saint All right, but

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Speaker 1: when the Giants have the ball taking on the Cowboys defense,

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Speaker 1: who is the best player from Penn State on the

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Speaker 1: field right then? Is it going to be the best

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Speaker 1: player on the field from Penn State. Yeah, Look, Michael

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Speaker 1: Parsons is playing great, but sae Quon Barkley is a

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Speaker 1: difference maker and he is showing no ill effects right

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Speaker 1: now from the knee. And so what we saw in

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Speaker 1: the last game, we saw the big playability right now,

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Speaker 1: he is not this guy that I'm gonna say you,

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Speaker 1: but his production kind of goes like this guy goes.

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Speaker 1: So when back in the day when I was playing

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Speaker 1: Barry Sands was the thing where you see negative run

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Speaker 1: to yard game, five year game, fifty yard game. That's

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Speaker 1: how sae quon Barkley's production. And so you have to

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Speaker 1: give him enough touches to live through some of the

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Speaker 1: bad moments so you can be explosive. See the explosive

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Speaker 1: pop when they give him the ball twenty to twenty

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Speaker 1: five times. At some point he is going to pop

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Speaker 1: because he's just too good, too dynamic, too versa as

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Speaker 1: a runner and a receiver. To make things happen. It's

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Speaker 1: really important that all odds are on twenty six. He

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Speaker 1: is the guy that you have to throw a blanket

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Speaker 1: on make those other guys win the game. You can't

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Speaker 1: let him get loose because when he gives certainly can win.

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Speaker 1: That's like that old heavyweight fighter that he may may

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Speaker 1: you out. Well, no, he's not like that. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying that he's watched up. I think up. But yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you gotta watch him because he can explode it anytime,

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Speaker 1: and he may go through a lull in a game

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Speaker 1: where you see ten carries where he doesn't really scratch

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Speaker 1: but only eleventh. It's a thirty five yard game, and

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Speaker 1: then you look at the end of the game. He

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Speaker 1: might have a hundred yard day, but it's one of

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Speaker 1: those where it's not a steady drip, it is flood,

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Speaker 1: then a famine like it's it's it's really different in

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Speaker 1: terms of watching his production. But that going all the

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Speaker 1: way back to Penn State, that's how he was productive.

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Speaker 1: He's not like the steady Eddy grinded that Ezekiel Ellie

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Speaker 1: comes to his production. So the Giants caught a lot

642
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Speaker 1: of grief last year because they took Andrew Thomas first

643
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Speaker 1: in that amazing tackle class and he was the worst

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Speaker 1: of the group last year. But I feel like I'm

645
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Speaker 1: seeing things, reading things that his level of play is

646
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Speaker 1: improving or am I wrong about that? How's he holding

647
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648
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Speaker 1: I mean he's doing better. And there was a lot

649
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650
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651
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652
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653
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654
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656
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657
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658
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662
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Speaker 1: guys like the second year is really when you see

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Speaker 1: the jump from how they played their first yet and

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Speaker 1: the second year we have seen a bit of a jump.

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Speaker 1: It hasn't been all star caliber, but it's certainly been

666
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Speaker 1: officeive line for years. All right, Bucky, appreciate the time.

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Speaker 1: We'll have you back tomorrow. We'll talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: at the Star again the News of the Day Jalen Smith,

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Speaker 1: released by the Dallas Cowboys. I had a question for

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Speaker 1: you guys. It's changed a little bit. I was going

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Speaker 1: to ask you guys in this final segment about Michael Parsons,

723
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Speaker 1: and we saw, you know, he's he's kind of moved

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Speaker 1: around in different games, playing defensive end, playing linebacker. Last week,

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Speaker 1: it seemed like to me, just without looking at numbers,

726
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Speaker 1: seemed like he played a lot more linebacker than defensive

727
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Speaker 1: end last week. How much do you do you think

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Speaker 1: what first of all, what do you think they're going

729
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Speaker 1: to do with him this week? And how much do

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Speaker 1: you think, if at all, Jayala no longer being on

731
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Speaker 1: the team affects that. I think it can only be

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Speaker 1: a positive thing. And I wrote about this. I wrote

733
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Speaker 1: a story kind of just thinking forward, what might what

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Speaker 1: it might look like. And I'll just pull out my

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Speaker 1: old cliche from a couple of years ago. Three to

736
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Speaker 1: play two. That's what you got now, at least in

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Speaker 1: your in your nickel. And I just I think of

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Speaker 1: Layton vander Esh as my well. I think of Layton

739
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: Vanderesh and Michael Parsons platooning the mic job with Kean

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Speaker 1: O'Neill as your primary will maybe Jabril Cox is part

741
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: of that eventually, and just and the number of snaps

742
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: Latent plays just depends on what else dan quin Quinn

743
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: wants him to do. Um. I think he'll play more

744
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: linebacker as the season goes. But again, you say, we're

745
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: thinking we want you I for eighteen snaps down and end,

746
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: and then we can get you forty eight lineback. I

747
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: don't know however the math works out whatever, but so

748
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: you can swap those two guys in and out. You know,

749
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: it's like when you when you do another part of

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Speaker 1: this whole thing that I actually was talking to our

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Speaker 1: producer Chris Beam last night, who brought this up, and

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like when you get some loans, you know,

753
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Speaker 1: at some point you gotta pay it back. Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: they had five or six guys they oh, we could

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Speaker 1: put put these guys on IR. Just put them on

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Speaker 1: IR and then when they come back, they'll they'll come

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Speaker 1: back later on in the season. And well, here we are,

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Speaker 1: and some of these guys are starting to come back,

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Speaker 1: and you gotta take somebody's roster spot. And you know,

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Speaker 1: and you think about the the younger guys that are

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Speaker 1: being inactive, the mcquomus of the world, where they don't

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Speaker 1: want to cut those guys, I mean, they want to

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Speaker 1: hang onto them. So something's got to happen. They got

764
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Speaker 1: to pay the piper here. And that's where the Jalen

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Speaker 1: Smiths and I'm not saying there's gonna be more of those,

766
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Speaker 1: but there's gotta be more guys getting cut. There will

767
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: be more guys getting released. And so that's where a

768
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: lot of this kind of goes into play. Let's let's

769
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Speaker 1: not forget that part of it too, is they had

770
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Speaker 1: some roster decisions to make. You can't just say, hey,

771
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Speaker 1: getting real close on Michael Gallop coming back, which he's not.

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Speaker 1: He's actually a few weeks away. But you know, the

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Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph's really close, and Neville Gallimore was a lot

774
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: of guys. Yeah, yeah, there could be a bloodletting when

775
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: the bye week's over. Honestly, there are two games away,

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Speaker 1: so I mean, you know, we'll see what happens in

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Speaker 1: these two games. But then on the other side of

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Speaker 1: the bye week, there's probably at least three or four

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Speaker 1: guys that could be Like I think Gallup's probably aiming

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Speaker 1: to come back after the bye I don't know about Gallimore.

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Speaker 1: Joseph is another one. She still haven't heard from, Sean

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Speaker 1: mccun Josh Ball as well. I mean, okay, so here's

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Speaker 1: the interesting part. If you guys think you can give

784
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Speaker 1: me some names of some guys that you're looking at

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Speaker 1: my firing people here on the air, and no, no no, no,

786
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Speaker 1: and and by the way, let's let's put caveats on this,

787
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: like there's no there's no obviously no guarantee here, but

788
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Speaker 1: they do have to make some moves. Who are some

789
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Speaker 1: of the guys that you look at and you're like,

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Speaker 1: because of all the things factored in the money, the contract,

791
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Speaker 1: how they're playing, the other depth that they have in

792
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: the position, who are some of those guys Tian Secky

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean Lyle Collins comes back from from

794
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: didn't even mention Lyle. Yeah, but he should come back

795
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Speaker 1: in a couple two more games. Um, you know, then

796
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: you feel like Steel will be the you know, swing

797
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 1: tackle for sure, Josh Balls coming back. I just don't

798
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Speaker 1: see the point five for Taney. I mean I was

799
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: gonna say Brandon Knight for similar reasons. Maybe Yeah. Um,

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00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: I mean you know, you look at some of these

801
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: receivers you've got. You have you know, Fijoko and you

802
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: have Malique Turner now, so you don't need to keep

803
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 1: those of them when gallops back. So I mean now

804
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: they needed some more linebackers, though, I do think they

805
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: need to add line I mean I think at one

806
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: point Francis Bernard's another I R guy or he might

807
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: be pup. Yeah. I mean they only had six linebackers

808
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: with Jalen Smith like when they entered the season, and

809
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: and that that's not even on I mean that's the

810
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: whole team practice squad and everything. That's who they have

811
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Speaker 1: to practice every week is six and now they only

812
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Speaker 1: have five. And you know they had five when Keane

813
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Speaker 1: O'Neill was out, So they need a little bit of

814
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: depth there. But they don't have anybody on the practice squad,

815
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Speaker 1: I think, so what about the secondary? Is there anybody

816
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: that needs to hanging in there that they Maurice Kennedy,

817
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Speaker 1: that's possible, That's which I don't mind talking about it,

818
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,439
Speaker 1: but that's there's a lot of moving parts and there's

819
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Speaker 1: just no real way to know. So we're just kind

820
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: of throwing out names of guys who don't have a

821
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: clearly defined role. That's basically what we do. Is actually

822
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Speaker 1: what we what we're trying to get to is like

823
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Speaker 1: what a that? Who is that list of guys that

824
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: could be on a list that the Cowboys would have,

825
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: But these are the guys that you may have to

826
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Speaker 1: part ways with. Bradley and I I mean, it's a

827
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Speaker 1: player that's you know, he comes back from COVID, but

828
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I don't know what his role

829
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: is exactly. And and Kamara's kind of in there too.

830
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: I mean Kamara for Suremars the guy definitely and that's

831
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Speaker 1: that's one that you would you would think that they

832
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Speaker 1: would hope, hopefully they would think, you know, if we

833
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: got to cut him, maybe we can get him back

834
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Speaker 1: to our practice squad if nobody's gonna claim him, right yeah,

835
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Speaker 1: But I mean it's it can get interesting and defensive tackle.

836
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Speaker 1: If Galimore comes back, Watkins comes back, Tristan Hill, Yeah,

837
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: I mean, they gotta figure something out there. And we

838
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: said that from the whole offseason, like there's just too

839
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: many guys. Something will shake out, and it kind of did.

840
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: But now if it gets back into the mix, well

841
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: the other thing too. And not to sit on the

842
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: fence too much, but it's the most violent sport. There's

843
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: two more games. The odds, i mean, the odds that

844
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Speaker 1: they make it through two games with nothing happening are slim.

845
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Speaker 1: So some of these decisions will be made easy for

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Speaker 1: him because something will happen. And I'm not trying to

847
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 1: cop out, but that's just the reality of the sport,

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