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Speaker 1: It is Monday, the ninth of September. Revee Reveley donks

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Speaker 1: because it's time for Morning Combat. My name is Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: I am the host of this program. Next to my

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Speaker 1: co host, you know this man Bryan Campbell from CBS Sports.

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Speaker 1: I'm Brian. Did you miss me?

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I don't know if you noticed that. We

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Speaker 2: almost wally pipped you out in there, the man in

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Speaker 2: the damn hat.

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Speaker 1: I like how the week I'm out, you have more

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Speaker 1: technical difficulties and you can swing it, did Cattie.

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Speaker 2: The show narrow barely got off the off the it

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Speaker 2: was off the rails. We barely got it back on

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Speaker 2: the track. It was more like Morning Combat tape delayed,

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Speaker 2: not really in the morning. Hey, we made the show happen.

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Speaker 1: Actually, technically we don't even know if we're live right now.

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Speaker 1: We're just assuming.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, being wise, we actually don't really know. But we're back.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: Here is the dome, back with the base. A couple

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Speaker 2: weeks after jury, Dudy, how'd you survive there?

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Speaker 1: I managed to tell people how much I didn't want

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Speaker 1: to do it. I won't say quite the terms that

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Speaker 1: I used to get out of it. I got out

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Speaker 1: of it twice. I got selected from Vardier. Then I

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Speaker 1: told them why I couldn't do it. They're like, okay,

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Speaker 1: go back to the quick.

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Speaker 2: Did take them to figure out that you're actually a communist?

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't think communism is outright disqualifying at any event.

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Speaker 1: And then they selected me for a second time in

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Speaker 1: the afternoon. I got out of that one too, so

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Speaker 1: I was pretty excited.

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Speaker 2: Did you take in the show this show while you

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Speaker 2: were sitting there?

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Speaker 1: Well, but you mentioned that. I figured, hey, by my

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Speaker 1: one thirty lunch break, I can go back and I

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Speaker 1: can watch the show. And then there was no show,

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Speaker 1: so I didn't actually watch him.

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Speaker 2: All right, Labor Day weekend is behind us. We're fired up.

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Speaker 2: Go away on the lake story? Is it laborious? Did

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Speaker 2: you knock anybody up?

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Speaker 1: The most important thing in my life right now is

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Speaker 1: to get sleep right because my kid is four months old,

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Speaker 1: and so we finally got a sleep trained. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how long it's gonna last, but right now in

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Speaker 1: Shola got twelve hours a night. So the trick is

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Speaker 1: I found every two hours she got to put her down.

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Speaker 1: And then I got this thing called the sleep suit

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Speaker 1: works like a charm.

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Speaker 2: The sleep suit. Is that like a straight jacket for children?

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Speaker 1: Well, isn't it? Isn't that what a swaddle is? This

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Speaker 1: is a straight jacket for kids, right in a way anyway.

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Speaker 1: So the point being is I didn't go anywhere because

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Speaker 1: most important is keep her on schedule. I did watch

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Speaker 1: UFC two forty two. This is true story at a

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Speaker 1: baby shower. I had to go to a baby shower,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, here's the deal. I'm not going unless

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Speaker 1: there's the fights on. And the person who owned the

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Speaker 1: all of there except the come main and man, I watch.

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Speaker 2: We'll have time later in the show. I'd love to

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Speaker 2: hear parenting tips from a guy who who plays dying

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Speaker 2: animals around the house as the kids just grown up.

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Speaker 1: My daughter's first concert, this is true story in when

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Speaker 1: she was in utero was dying fetus. That is not

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Speaker 1: an exaggeration. I took my pregnant wife to a dying

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Speaker 1: fetus country.

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Speaker 2: She born inside of swimming pool like the cover of Hirvana.

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Speaker 1: Never mind, no, no, all natural sibling memorial. All right,

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Speaker 1: Ready to get this start.

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Speaker 2: Gross, let's talk mixed Martin to get this story I

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Speaker 2: like to I like to tea this week though.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Son shout outs to Jamie Josta from Hate

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Speaker 1: Breed that you can get this on the hate Breed website.

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Speaker 1: People always ask about it. Blood Sport Top five martial

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Speaker 2: You can't not. I wouldn't put it in my personal pace,

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Speaker 2: but you can't. You can't say anything against it.

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Speaker 1: It's too iconic.

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Speaker 2: If it's number one for you, it's so damn iconic

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Speaker 2: and so damn entertaining.

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Speaker 1: You know, I wouldn't put number one, but it's up there.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get it going.

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Speaker 2: You know you're not gonna give me the green light

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Speaker 2: on a pitbull right now. I mean I think that, uh.

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Speaker 1: Look at that. I think that before we get this started,

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Speaker 2: Well, I acquired it. But I think that she's kind

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Speaker 2: of like my spirit animal. She's kind of a mascot

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Speaker 2: for this show in the way she comes into the

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Speaker 2: ring to do two things the cage, right, spit hot,

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Speaker 2: truth and bang. And that's kind of what we do

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Speaker 2: in this show. We're not playing up to any corporate sponsors,

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Speaker 2: we're not protecting anything. We bring the damn truth, right.

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Speaker 2: This is a show with stars who don't need to

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Speaker 2: act like stars. Bro, if you don't want producers in

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Speaker 2: the video, come to Morning Combat. That's what I'm saying

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Speaker 1: If having corporate sponsors meant I got a raise, I

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Speaker 1: would have all the corporate spot I'd be like a

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Speaker 1: NASCAR logo in this bitch.

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Speaker 2: Trying to keep a real on this piece.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get this going. So you c two

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Speaker 1: forty two. Over the weekend, habib Nurmaga made off what

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Speaker 1: do you want to say? Easily defending his UFC lightweight

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Speaker 1: title against now former interim champion Dustin Poire, winning a

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Speaker 1: third round rear naked choke Brian. The question has become

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Speaker 1: at twenty eight to oh who on earth can beat

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Speaker 1: this man? Here's what I was thinking about, and I

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Speaker 1: dove into this when you so rudely interrupted me during

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Speaker 1: Morning Combat dissected, which.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sorry, Professor Salt and Pepper.

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Speaker 1: Just like walks in the room like Michigan J. Frogg

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Speaker 1: strutting down the street, like what are you doing? All right,

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Speaker 1: here's the point, though, the answer is twenty eight have tried,

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Speaker 1: twenty eight have failed. It doesn't mean he's invincible. What

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Speaker 1: it means is you'll know it's the same thing, Brian.

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Speaker 1: They all try to say, I'm gonna resist the takedown,

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Speaker 1: and then when he gets the takedown, I'm gonna try

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Speaker 1: and stand up. And what happens They lose me a wrestling,

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Speaker 1: they get submitted, or they get ground and pound to death.

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Speaker 1: That is not a method that anyone can do. Dustin

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Speaker 1: Pourier couldn't do it, Conor McGregor couldn't do it. How

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Speaker 1: Felo Dosanjos couldn't do it, Michael Johnson couldn't do it,

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Speaker 1: think that that's the way to beat him, it just

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Speaker 1: isn't anymore. Somebody's got to try something different. Now. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if Tony Ferguson's jiu jitsu is the way

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Speaker 1: that's different. Here's what I also KNOWE You've never got

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Speaker 1: He's never even been cut. You mean to tell me

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Speaker 2: Here, all I'm saying Mat Dolly couldn't get him cut.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, The point being is I don't know exactly what

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Speaker 1: The same old game plan that every coach keeps trying

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Speaker 1: to implement, doesn't Poarier. Brian is super talented.

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Speaker 2: That's the whole look at this argument.

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Speaker 1: Last thing I'll say this, I'll toss the botania. I'm

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Speaker 1: just pointing out if someone like doesn't Parier, who said

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Speaker 1: he could come with that game plan, that's a failed

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Speaker 2: I love that you said twenty eight I've tried because

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Speaker 2: it's the Floyd way Mayweather reference, because Habib is sort

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Speaker 2: of entering Mayweather territory in here right, sucking the entertainment

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Speaker 2: out of the fight. But I'm not using that as

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Speaker 2: I go, Luke, maybe SALTMN Pepper professor has to get

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Speaker 2: up right now? How does Habib do the voodoo that

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Speaker 2: predict him to win. It's not that I didn't think

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Speaker 2: against a fighter you just nailed it in Pourier, who

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Speaker 2: has willed himself and evolved to the super elite level.

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Speaker 2: Would I have predicted it went down that way where

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Speaker 2: each round, as soon as the first takedown happened, that

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Speaker 2: in my heart Tony Ferguson's the only one, and we

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Speaker 2: can shelf that discussion for five seconds, I really thought

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Speaker 2: the type of guy who, yeah, he's gonna be taken down,

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Speaker 2: but he's strong enough and big enough to get back up,

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Speaker 2: and then he's gonna make it a fight, right, not

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Speaker 2: I never would have predicted that he'll be. Could could

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Speaker 2: and that's who Pourier kind of became. The last three

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Speaker 2: speaks to it's not that I didn't know Habib was great,

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Speaker 2: but he's getting greater by the day. He's evolving, even

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Speaker 2: way that he sets up his takedowns and maybe he

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Speaker 2: to the point that, yes, we need to have that conversation.

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Speaker 2: Who out there has a shot at doing this right

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Speaker 2: now outside of the typical bad luck that can happen

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Speaker 2: training seriously, he doesn't seem a candidate for that. He

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Speaker 2: seems like an absolute machine. Outside of that, Now that

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Speaker 2: he's figured out this level of prime, it's Tony Ferguson

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Speaker 2: and it's nobody else lives.

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Speaker 1: So here's what I was thinking, about you go back

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Speaker 1: and watch the fight. What was the only time Habib

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Speaker 1: was in any kind of danger, any kind of danger?

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Speaker 1: Two points the guillotines. No, the two punches to open

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Speaker 1: They hurt, but they did.

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Speaker 2: He took steps back in reset and that's not.

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Speaker 1: But that's a boxing consideration on an MMA one.

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Speaker 2: All right, but let's don't act like he wasn't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he got stung, He got got stung. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: he was in danger. Here's the difference when those guillotines

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Speaker 1: were on that that Remember Dustin applied it once twice

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Speaker 1: and then three times. The second of the three was

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Speaker 1: the closest. What did you notice about Habib's behavior? He

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Speaker 1: went to a hip, He actually rolled, He rolled like

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Speaker 1: a fish. Uh, just completely over. My point being is

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Speaker 1: you can't wrestle him that way. But the jiu jitsu application,

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Speaker 1: the guillotine choke made Habib choose to go down that way.

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Speaker 1: No again, this is not me saying jiu jitsu beat Sabib,

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Speaker 1: or even Tony's jiu jitsu bet Sabib. It's me saying, well,

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Speaker 1: that's gotta be a lot better than just trying to

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Speaker 1: Here's what I would say. The reason why the Tony

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Speaker 2: This week, I gotta find out what makes her be

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Speaker 1: So here's the last question about this, and we'll move

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Speaker 1: about Connor McGregor. You know, I'm dead serious when he

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Speaker 1: Let's talk business I don't you ready, I don't where

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Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, Connor, you know it makes a lot

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Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense. The guy lost comprehensively, cleanly, fully,

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Speaker 1: threw one punch in the first round. You know how

431
00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,600
Speaker 1: many punches he landed Habib did in the third run

432
00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,960
Speaker 1: against Partier one. You're gonna tell me that's not part

433
00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,480
Speaker 1: of overall dominant strategy. It's a dumb argument. You can't

434
00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,800
Speaker 1: take it seriously. And I don't I understand he wants

435
00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:50,840
Speaker 1: another crack at it. I'm sure Dustin wants another crack

436
00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,400
Speaker 1: at it. I'm sure Healey and dosan Jos and Johnson,

437
00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,680
Speaker 1: they all want another cracks aedit, but you don't rate

438
00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:57,280
Speaker 1: not right now. So he has to get back in

439
00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,920
Speaker 1: there as far as I'm concerned and get another win. Now,

440
00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,199
Speaker 1: the question is, well against two and I don't know,

441
00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,400
Speaker 1: I don't know the winner of Gaytchee Seroni. Maybe that's

442
00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,040
Speaker 1: something you can do. Here's the point being, here's the

443
00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:08,800
Speaker 1: one I get. I get what the UFC might try

444
00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,560
Speaker 1: to do. They're gonna try to make this fight with

445
00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,680
Speaker 1: Tony whatever that's supposed to mean, low ball not low ball,

446
00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,919
Speaker 1: and if that falls through, oh, they only have a

447
00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,080
Speaker 1: rematch between two now the bigger stars, if not the

448
00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,080
Speaker 1: two biggest stars in the lightweight division, one of the

449
00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,600
Speaker 1: biggest stars in the sport. They're gonna make money either way,

450
00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,240
Speaker 1: so to them, I think the chances of Connor getting

451
00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:26,800
Speaker 1: a rematch are kind of high.

452
00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,080
Speaker 2: But fortunately they are kind of high.

453
00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,960
Speaker 1: But the point is doesn't deserve it, period, No.

454
00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,520
Speaker 2: It does not deserve it. This is a lottery ticket

455
00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,320
Speaker 2: that they need to put in the jar and preserve

456
00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,520
Speaker 2: it right now, because if you run Connor BB two

457
00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,440
Speaker 2: back out, you're doing it for the money, You're doing

458
00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,399
Speaker 2: it for the business, and you're gonna get Caddy shack too.

459
00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,880
Speaker 2: You're gonna get a seql that bombs because I don't

460
00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:45,920
Speaker 2: think you have the same level of fuel and hatred,

461
00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,520
Speaker 2: and that's essentially what you'd be selling. You're not selling

462
00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,400
Speaker 2: the hope of a competitive fight, Luke, You're selling let's

463
00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:55,800
Speaker 2: do part do two, part deh of essentially this hatred.

464
00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,760
Speaker 2: Here's the thing though, how people doesn't want to be

465
00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,879
Speaker 2: that guy anymore. Whether you thought he went over bor

466
00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,920
Speaker 2: or not. On Saturday in Abu Dhabi, he put over

467
00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,959
Speaker 2: a baby face turn like we have never seen in

468
00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,840
Speaker 2: a while, puts on dustin shirt, respect.

469
00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:11,200
Speaker 1: Cog in the audience.

470
00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, I get it, but you know talks about

471
00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:15,600
Speaker 2: I want to fight GSPNX and I want to do

472
00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,640
Speaker 2: in Africa and give away the money. My point is this,

473
00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,480
Speaker 2: if you book the second Habib Connor fight, you are

474
00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,240
Speaker 2: telling Abiba as a promotion. For this fight to really work,

475
00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,040
Speaker 2: we can need you to be foreign villain again. When

476
00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,040
Speaker 2: habibis had the opportunity on Saturday to kind of become

477
00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,879
Speaker 2: global superstar and by the way numbers internally, CBS Sports

478
00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,720
Speaker 2: our coverage of him through the roof for an afternoon fight,

479
00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,920
Speaker 2: Habib got the Connor rub and he's making it happen worldwide.

480
00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,640
Speaker 2: So if you're staying on UFC and even Disney, who's

481
00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,439
Speaker 2: probably at that table when you're talking about the larger picture,

482
00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,680
Speaker 2: keep Connor in that jar and puff him back up.

483
00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,520
Speaker 2: Give him Frankie Edgar in a marketable fight in which

484
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Speaker 2: he can't and which he can and probably should win.

485
00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,840
Speaker 1: And Justin Gatchee going after Connor on Twitter in a

486
00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:01,160
Speaker 1: very ugly way. It's fine Justin to play the ugly

487
00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,240
Speaker 1: game with him. Connor plays an ugly game we all know.

488
00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,600
Speaker 2: Okay, So people that fight either I don't hate that

489
00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:05,920
Speaker 2: fight out.

490
00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:07,640
Speaker 1: Here's my point. You got to give someone who wants

491
00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,240
Speaker 1: to get in the mud with him. Well, Justin Gage's

492
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,639
Speaker 1: that guy you had Habib at the press. Common say,

493
00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,800
Speaker 1: this is a respect sport. You respect the jim, you

494
00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,560
Speaker 1: clean it, you respect your training partners, you respect your coach.

495
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,680
Speaker 1: Whether you want to believe that or not, he does.

496
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,520
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to go back to that anymore. And

497
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,359
Speaker 1: it was ugly. Give him somebody else.

498
00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,480
Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, Tony freaking Ferguson, if UFC runs

499
00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,120
Speaker 2: back Connor in this rematch, you're cashing him out when

500
00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,040
Speaker 2: you have a chance to revive him. You have a

501
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,000
Speaker 2: chance to build him back up. Here's the odd the

502
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,800
Speaker 2: truth there. Unless Habib retires after his next fight, him

503
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,960
Speaker 2: and Connor will fight again in some form because there's

504
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,960
Speaker 2: too much money. It is a lottery ticket sitting in

505
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,359
Speaker 2: a jar, just like the third d as Connor matches.

506
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 2: You gotta repair that and build it back up. It's

507
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,800
Speaker 2: not rocket science. So in the meantime, bad luck has

508
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,720
Speaker 2: become good because if Habib Tony had already happened, and

509
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,720
Speaker 2: I know you could argue maybe it happened two or

510
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,680
Speaker 2: three times already, maybe this is the fourth time they're fighting,

511
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,159
Speaker 2: we'd be this excited. No, we never seen what this

512
00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,600
Speaker 2: looked like. There's been four cases of bad luck. But

513
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,360
Speaker 2: those bad luck have built together a fight that now

514
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 2: matters more than anything. It's now the most hardcore of

515
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 2: hardcore fans fight, and it's for the world title, and

516
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,640
Speaker 2: Habib's still on beaten and Tony's got a twelve fight

517
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 2: win streak. Don't screw that up. Go back to it,

518
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 2: Go back to it all the way, go back to

519
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 2: it hard and firm. And if you're UFC, why not

520
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,360
Speaker 2: roll the dice on what Habib's brand actually is right now.

521
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 2: If he's going this far with respect and I'll donate

522
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 2: the things, then give him the damn GSP fight. Let

523
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 2: him become an absolute headlining, lovable superstar. Yeah, do don't

524
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:32,880
Speaker 2: drop that really out.

525
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 1: Then, So then let's say GSP wins. Then he's already

526
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 1: said explicitly til Robin Black this week or last week. Yeah,

527
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,160
Speaker 1: if they do that, I win. I'm gonna walk away

528
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:41,640
Speaker 1: because that'd be smart. Smart.

529
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,399
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. He wouldn't walk away, he'd fight.

530
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Speaker 1: Make it non title. I'm with you. Make it for

531
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:46,399
Speaker 1: a title, forget it all right. We got to move

532
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 1: along because.

533
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 2: You know, if they did that, then you'd get Connor

534
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,360
Speaker 2: an Tony, which one to beat either a.

535
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Speaker 1: Lot of good options, but the best option is as

536
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 1: you know, Habi versus Tony. All right, here's another great

537
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 1: option that has turned into a reality. Brian Campbell at

538
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 1: MSG on November two, is gonna be the b MF

539
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 1: title on the line, The Bad Mother, Can I say it?

540
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 1: One time? Fucker title is gonna be on the line.

541
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,120
Speaker 1: Nate Diaz is gonna face Jorge Maswittal. I'm assuming at

542
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 1: one seventy they haven't clarified that as far as I

543
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 1: know have that it is okay. So it's gonna be

544
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 1: one seventy. It canna be a Walterway title fight. I'll

545
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,399
Speaker 1: pitch to you here, Brian. Why is this so great?

546
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 2: For every possible reason? But the core, outside of the

547
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 2: glitz and glamour of what it makes it so great

548
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 2: to action fighters, Uh, the most gangster fight ever booked.

549
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 2: The core of what makes it great is because it's

550
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 2: a dramatic shift in disposition and theory from where UFC

551
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 2: was recently. UFC had gone corporate. They'd gone to a

552
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 2: degree anti fan when it comes to the match making,

553
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,679
Speaker 2: more about let's make the biggest business match. If you

554
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 2: gave the keys to any jomoke fan sitting on a

555
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,160
Speaker 2: couch somewhere and we're like, go ahead, MSG, is yours?

556
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:50,119
Speaker 2: What match are your booking?

557
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 1: Yeah?

558
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 2: They're gonna go, Oh, I want that crazy guy with

559
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 2: a three piece and I want Captain Gangster and ATZ

560
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna put them together and I'm gonna bring

561
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 2: a bong and it's gonna be an MSG and it's

562
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 2: gonna headline and a five on main event. Where do

563
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 2: I sign up? This is such a give back to

564
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 2: the fans. This goes against the recent philosophy of we

565
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 2: can't have a main event in which we float out

566
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 2: a belt that doesn't matter. Now I get that they're

567
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 2: kind of floating out a belt that doesn't matter, but

568
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,719
Speaker 2: but the way that they're doing it is so fan friendly.

569
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 2: And I know there's a whole BMF spin off that

570
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 2: I want to have this talk with you, but just

571
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 2: at its core of what this fight is a main

572
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 2: event and for anyone saying, oh, this fight doesn't have

573
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 2: a storyline though there's no hatred, I don't need hatred

574
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 2: in storyline. That is for pro wrestling. I get down

575
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 2: for pro wrestling, all right. I give a shout out

576
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 2: to my brothers on welfare down there, right. PC cares

577
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 2: if no one else cares, even though we can't talk

578
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 2: about it on this show. But my point on that

579
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 2: is this is a super Bowl of being a fan.

580
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 2: This is everything we would want. Thank you, Dana.

581
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 1: I mean, here's what's amazing about it. What is the

582
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,360
Speaker 1: UFC's brand in terms of an MMA promoter. Well, yes,

583
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 1: they're the best, okay, But more than that, their corporate

584
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 1: efficiency meets law and order. That's what they like They

585
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: like the conveyor belt of content constantly churning. They like

586
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: the fighters to say yes, whether it's you're gonna take

587
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 1: this fight in that place for that amount of a mount

588
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: of money, just everyone say yes, let's keep this rolling.

589
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: Everyone gets in line, everyone says, okay, no problem, you

590
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: got well. I would say, Jorge is pretty good about

591
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: doing that kind of thing. But you got you know,

592
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: he can float that brand that he's not. He's the outsider,

593
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: you know, the guy who, like Kimbo Slacks, was fighting

594
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: in the streets, and then you got an ads who

595
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: is the again, the anti law and order candidate, the

596
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: anti hero, as the New York Times called him. Putting

597
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: those two together is everything that the UFC typically is

598
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: not and used to do and he used to do,

599
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: but they have completely gotten away from. But the fan demand, like,

600
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: what is the promoter's responsibility to make the fights that

601
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 1: people want to pay money to see? Well, I got

602
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: good news for you. You can do that. And you can

603
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: also it's not like you're putting on Logan Paul versus KSI.

604
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: You're putting on two world class athletes, two world class

605
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: fighters who, by the way, in the case of Jorge

606
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: Massoud all ranked near the top of that division. It

607
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: can get sticky and complicated if you lean on this

608
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: as your business practice before a one off, and they're

609
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: gonna make it to court of out for it. This

610
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: is the UFC for once, for once getting out of

611
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: their own way, yes, and listening to what the fans

612
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 1: demand and realizing you can have a little fun and

613
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't damage you.

614
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 2: When you heard the news, Luke, when you heard the

615
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 2: news is the equivalent of finding out mom and dad

616
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 2: get high and they watch faces of Death two. I mean, like,

617
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 2: is it really like it's like, oh, we can party now,

618
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 2: Like what's going on here?

619
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 1: I thought for sure because during the week you had

620
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: that interview with Bretto Komoto and Dana White and he

621
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: was like, I don't even know where Nate Diaz fits

622
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: in the big picture. We've got be three more years.

623
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: When you hear from h I'm like, uh not if you

624
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 1: give him the masket ball.

625
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 2: Fight, this ain't UFC Saskatoon. They're giving him the keys

626
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 2: of the world's most famous arena at MSG where they

627
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 2: fought four years to get in that building, and once

628
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 2: they did, they set records. Every time they have a

629
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 2: show there they're giving Nate Diaz the ball and they

630
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 2: are transitioning to the BMF, creating essentially this badass gangster

631
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 2: world Wrestling title that I actually hope they go the

632
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 2: distance and actually create a belt to put on, just like, is.

633
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: This MMA's turnover chain, you know, the turnover chain.

634
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: I don't know this.

635
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. You watch for wrestling. You don't know anything

636
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 1: about college football.

637
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 2: Uh No, I don't know what a turnover chain is.

638
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you know what? Literally you sick in me, like,

639
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: like legitimately sick in me. I don't know what turnover

640
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: chain is. If you can score a turnover, you go

641
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: back to the sidelines, right, let's see you pick six

642
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: or whatever. These divisional programs will give you this giant, gaudy,

643
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: ghost face killer kind of chain you get to wear,

644
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: and then you get on Sports Center and everyone says

645
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: you're a legend. You put on Instagram and then you

646
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: haven't seen this chain. Everyone here knows.

647
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 2: In a small bubble. But this BMF title, it kind

648
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 2: of feels like the UFC Super Fight Belt, which I

649
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 2: used to love the crap out of it was okay.

650
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 1: Back in the day.

651
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do tournaments but you know what, let's make

652
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 2: really fun fights that people want to see. So let's

653
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 2: rematch Shamrock and Gracie and put this super fight belt up.

654
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 2: So here's my hope for the BMF thing. I hope

655
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 2: it's a tongue in cheek joke, but to get serious

656
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 2: for a second, I hope it is a title luke

657
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 2: where it can be open weight and it can be

658
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 2: as long as you get two crazy mfors in there,

659
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 2: and the guy who has it at the moment is

660
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,199
Speaker 2: willing to fight another crazy mf for close enough in

661
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 2: his weight class that it's just a fan super bowl

662
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: every single time. Data And it's no different than when

663
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 2: we used to say, Hey, who cares what weight class

664
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 2: Connor is, and let's create a Connor pay per view bell.

665
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: He's a paper view champ and let's just match him

666
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: up with the biggest star. It's kind of like that,

667
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 2: but you're gonna end up having your one sixty five

668
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 2: division without actually having it, because it turns out that

669
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 2: most of these fights are going to be between lightweight

670
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 2: and walterweight. But I love the creativity that you can

671
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 2: have anything that makes you feel the old early UFC

672
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: Semophore vibes. I'm down for that.

673
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: Two fights in the row. Diaz has booked his own fight.

674
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 1: Kind of interesting to know here, very QUI quickly because

675
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: we have to move along.

676
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 2: What's it gonna look like? We can't move along that quick, No,

677
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 2: we have to What should the BMF look like?

678
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't told much about it all right,

679
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 1: by the way, shouts to boss Logic had a mock

680
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: up of his way. He's aught. They looks a lottle like. Actually,

681
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. This fight, though, is going to take

682
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: place the same day as Canelo versus Covidleb November second.

683
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: I think it's happened on the other side of the country, Vegas.

684
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: Here's what interesting it's if you want it to be

685
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: a cynical fan Brian, you could you could frame it

686
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: as UFC's for volity versus boxing attempting something legitimately serious

687
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,719
Speaker 1: in terms of historic greatness. That would not be a

688
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: fair framing. Do you think the boxing world's gonna try

689
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: to do that? What's gonna be the bigger fight? And

690
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: is there gonna be antipathy between the worlds or is

691
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: it just two segmented populations of this it's.

692
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 2: Gonna end up being two segmented population. There's a cross

693
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: over there because there's so much celebrity involved in Nate

694
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 2: Diaz and Canelo Alvarez. I hate this. I get where

695
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 2: we're at with so many people having TV deals and

696
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: big fights in both sports, there's naturally you're gonna see

697
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 2: cross promote promoting against each other. We see that a lot.

698
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 2: Big UFC card going up against a pretty good boxing match,

699
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 2: but this is arguably the biggest boxing pay per view

700
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: of the year from the idea of like potential buys,

701
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 2: although it would be on his own so there's no

702
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: paper view bys. You get my point, though, Canello's name

703
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 2: is that big, and I don't care if you thinkolee

704
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: lev is washed at thirty six, and yes he's a

705
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 2: bit washy, but Canelo would be moving up two weight divisions.

706
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 2: Look like this is like stop traffic. There to be

707
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: great ish that. I need to see what happens next.

708
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: But in short order it's the Canel to take it.

709
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: But the whole idea that I hate when the very

710
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 2: top of the sports compete against each other. I hate that.

711
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: You know, UFC going to MSG is always your second

712
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: biggest pay per view card of the year in importance,

713
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: and now it's essentially going up against the one or

714
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 2: two biggest boxing card of the year. That sucks. That

715
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 2: makes us choose as fans, It makes us choose a journalists,

716
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: which one we're going to cover in the end, your

717
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: question of which one is actually bigger though barely the

718
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 2: Canelo thing, Because here's the thing. Canelo, as a singular.

719
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: Entity move he is the biggest of the four. So

720
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: between Diaz, Masvidalklev and Canelo is by four of the biggest.

721
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: And this is a rare sequence where somebody is taking

722
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: a giant gamble for no other reason than greatness. They

723
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 2: want to add another division. I mean, look, dude, Canello's

724
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: got balls. Can can you comment publicly on this? Can you?

725
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 2: Can you speak of the man Satchel like this is

726
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 2: insane what he's doing right here. I know the guy's

727
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: a little bit older than Washy. He's moving up two

728
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,959
Speaker 2: way class, He's moving up fifteen pounds to take this

729
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 2: guy out washed Oh, this is this is fantastic in

730
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,959
Speaker 2: having to put that up against this gangster super Bowl man.

731
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: It's very quickly to speak. Honest, dude, I'm telling you,

732
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: we got to move along. It's just how it goes.

733
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: Speaking of boxing, Tyson Fury is going to be back

734
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: this week with what do you want to call it?

735
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: Another tune up fight? Sis second in a row. Here's interesting.

736
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: I actually had him in studio at Sirius XM and

737
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: I asked him, how do you pronounce the last name

738
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: of your opponent? He actually didn't know. He goes, I

739
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: have no idea, asked the promoter. I'm just here to

740
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: wash this bum and collect a check and then we'll

741
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: see what happens with Wilder in twenty twenty. So I'm

742
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: sitting here thinking to myself, it's like, well, Tyson, you're

743
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: an interesting person. I do like watching you compete, and

744
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: maybe maybe this is a situation like Ruiz and Joshua.

745
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: We're all discounting one gentleman and outo.

746
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: We hope it wouldn't because this could ruin all the

747
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: big business.

748
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: Well I'm not saying I would wish for it, but

749
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: maybe this could happen and we're all just discounting it.

750
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: But I'm like, tell me, why, tell me why I'm

751
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: supposed to care? And I get it's gonna be an

752
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: ESPN plus again, right, tell me why I'm supposed to

753
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: care if Tyson you don't even know how to pronounce

754
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: the last name of your opponent. And I get what

755
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: his explanation was if you look around the division. He

756
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: didn't say it was the best available choice, but he

757
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: did make a credible case that there were a lot

758
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: of people who are already booked for other fights or blah.

759
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: And again you can argue with that a little bit.

760
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: There is some marriage too argued against that.

761
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: Oh, so there's some merit to it. But the point

762
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: being is if asking do we care, I'll be honest

763
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: with you. I care enough to see after the fact

764
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: how quickly Tyson Fury gets it done. This is the

765
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: very opposite of appointment viewing. They're just making us wait

766
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: for the fights we really care about. December seventh, will,

767
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: I guess'll be the first one when Ruiz fight's Joshua again.

768
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: If you want to watch Tyson Fury knock yourself out,

769
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait and see what happens on Sports.

770
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just for the shits and giggles of the

771
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: show and to see what happens. But ultimately this is odd.

772
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: It's heavyweight boxing, which means we finally have stars. We

773
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 2: finally have viable contenders. We just had Wilder Fury in

774
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: December soul of good pay per view numbers. Was insane

775
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: to watch, and now we're kind of stretching out and

776
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: slow moving it.

777
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: Here.

778
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 2: From ESPN's perspective, you signed Tyson Fury. I get why

779
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: they want to put him in two fights first to

780
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 2: sort of set him up as a potential pay per

781
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 2: view brand when you do the scheduled Wilder rematch next February.

782
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: But they're putting him twice on ESPN plus. I get

783
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: it builds their their subscriptions potentially, but wouldn't you put

784
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: him on regular ESPN if you're potentially building him into.

785
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: The paper the Heisman Trophy scenarios and that always did

786
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: well for.

787
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 2: The number two. Here's the deal. Tyson Fury had two

788
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: gimme fights last year when he finally came back. Then

789
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: he went against Wilder and you know what, he beat him.

790
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 2: He didn't get to win, but he beat him. The

791
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:37,959
Speaker 2: fact that we have to go back and see him

792
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: fight the Schwaws a couple of months ago, you know,

793
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 2: maybe the Swartz to be with you on that one,

794
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: and now against Otto Valen, who maybe someone he's six

795
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: y six south. Paul's got a you know, Olympic amateur background,

796
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 2: but like doesn't scream that it's going to be a

797
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: competitive matchup. And you know what, I almost don't want

798
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: it to be a competitive matchup because we want the

799
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 2: big fights to come. I just hope that the power,

800
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,719
Speaker 2: the powers that be here at heavyweight don't screw this

801
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: whole thing up. And the problem is that there's too

802
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: many powers that be. There's too many networks and promotions

803
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 2: all sort of going, hey, heavy weight back, this works again,

804
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: let's all try to play together. I want to get

805
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: to Wilder Fury too, but we got to get through

806
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: this fight. We got to get through in November. When

807
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 2: Deontay Wilder has a very tough matchup against Louis Ortiz

808
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: the second time around, Lew.

809
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: Why it's very tough the second time around? I subsequently

810
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: I have not Okay, So the first Ortiz fight was competitive, Yes,

811
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: what has happened since that fight to let you believe

812
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: the second one would also be competitive?

813
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 2: Because Deontay Wilder is still the same guy he was

814
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: in the first fight, So what does that mean? He's

815
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 2: got historically great power, he's incredibly exciting. Not a great boxer,

816
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 2: not a great technical fighter, allows other fighters to have success.

817
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: And what we saw in that first fight was Ortiz,

818
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 2: who does have the Cuban background and is also big

819
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: and tough, also old, but also big and tough and

820
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 2: has power. Had Wilder on the verge of being knocked

821
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 2: down and out midway through that fight, had him hurt,

822
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 2: was knocking him from pillar to post, and we saw

823
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: Wilder dig deep, and we saw him pull that fight

824
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: out or tease fatigue late, which happens in a lot

825
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: of Wilder fights, and Wilder put him away second time around.

826
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 2: It's a sexy matchup where the same thing can happen

827
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 2: over again, essentially, or she's getting a second chance at

828
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: this because he fought so well. I love that fight.

829
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: I want to see that fight. I want to be

830
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: front road for that fight. I also want to get

831
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: to fury Wilder in one piece though at the same time,

832
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: and that fight was so good in December, we wait

833
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 2: in another year to do that a second time.

834
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: I just the signal to noise ratio in boxing, where

835
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: how much nonsense you have to put up with to

836
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: get the sweet stuff is extraordinary. It's one thing I'll

837
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: give benefit to in mixed martial arts, there's a signal

838
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 1: to noise ratio in that I did see ufc Uruguay.

839
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: I can tell you there's a whole lot of it.

840
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: But on the other side of things, there's just a

841
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: it's just a little bit more bang for your buck

842
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: in terms of consistent matchups between ranked guys, And of

843
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: course that's from a function of a bad business model

844
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: for the fighters. I'm just saying, as a fan, Jesus

845
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: christ Man, the boxing world asks so much from you. Sometimes, Oh,

846
00:34:58,760 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: kick you in the stick constantly.

847
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: I ha Tyson Fury on my State of Combat podcast

848
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: and CBS hey hung up on me. He was off

849
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: the rails. It was m Effer's left and right, no

850
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 2: real tangible questions. But when I asked him all these

851
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 2: promotional business questions, why are we doing this? Why are

852
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: we scheduling two fights in between? I mean, he just

853
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 2: gives them go talk to f and Bob Aarram. It's

854
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 2: you know, what, do you look like? I just come

855
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 2: in here and knock them other effers out, which he

856
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 2: doesn't actually come in there to do. But that's okay.

857
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: But my point is, what do you think about the

858
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,479
Speaker 2: developments of Deontay Wilder doing a public interview and saying, hey,

859
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 2: maybe Tyson Fury steps aside, coming up and I fight

860
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 2: the winner of Ruiz and Joshua, so that Wilder, if

861
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 2: he beats Ortiz next, has a chance finally to be

862
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 2: that undisputed four belt champion.

863
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't take it very seriously, to

864
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: be honest with you. I mean, look, is there a

865
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: possibility that's true? I suppose, but I don't. Look, They've

866
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: already done a deal with Fury. They have history, they

867
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: have historical connectivity. There was a lack of a resolution

868
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: over the result in certainly some controversy. They have both

869
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: the mechanism and the means and the reason to run

870
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: that one again. Now they have reason to make a

871
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: fight with the winner Ruiz or Joshua, but they don't

872
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: have any of the same. They'd be starting from scratch

873
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: to a degree with just the well, this fight should

874
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: happen kind of push rather than a sense of no, no,

875
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: we have historical issues unresolved. We have we have history

876
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: between you and I. That's a much weightier push to

877
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: getting fights made. And also, like if what if Ruiz

878
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: wins again? I don't know that he will. We'll talk

879
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: about his party.

880
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 2: He wants to win, because Ruiz, if you look at

881
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 2: how people are aligned, is a PBC al Hayman fight right,

882
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: So it would be easier to make a.

883
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: Will, but it wouldn't be the fight that people want

884
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: to see historic. I don't want to see, Joshua.

885
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: I'll ask you that with an angle though, because as

886
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 2: much as I want to see Fury and Wilder, and

887
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 2: I just complained and told you how bad I want

888
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 2: to see it today.

889
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

890
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 2: What would it mean though, to actually have a four

891
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 2: belt champion and have one champion one division, one name,

892
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 2: which is Ben Deontay Wilder's wish and goal all along,

893
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 2: which at the core as a fan would be our wish.

894
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: We want it to be the old days where we

895
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: remember what it was like to have all the belts

896
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 2: in one house and Mike Tyson to Douglas to Holyfield

897
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: to on and on and on. Would you rather have

898
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: that and not so much worry about the drama as

899
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: of is this guy gonna fight this guy? When's this

900
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 2: fight gonna happen? Is this fight going to screw it up?

901
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: Would you give it all up to get that chance

902
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: to have to.

903
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: Be honest, I don't even really think much about it.

904
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: I would rather just see the various permutations in play.

905
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: I would just rather see Wilder fight Fury a second time.

906
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: I'd rather I'd like to see Fury fight Joshua, or

907
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 1: Joshua fight Wilder, or Ruiz to fight any of those.

908
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: To me, I'm not saying that belt considerations are irrelevant.

909
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: They matter to it to some extent. In the historical

910
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: relevancy you're pointing out I take seriously. But in the end,

911
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: is that the reason why you want to see these fights? Like?

912
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: Not really, If you're a fight fan, that's the man.

913
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: I want to see those belts unified. That's a nice

914
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: little like side action to it. The real hustle, the

915
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: real mechanism of this whole thing is that you want

916
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: to see who is truly if you're a fight fan,

917
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: If you're a fight fan, who is truly the greatest?

918
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: What would really happen? What kind of action? We we

919
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: really get? So much nonsense, so much palm, so much circumstance.

920
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: Let's distill it down to that blue crystal that old

921
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: Heisenberg used to ship out to Albuquerque. I want that

922
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: blue crystal. You could put throw whatever wrapping on it

923
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: you put on it.

924
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, real quickly On Joshua R. Reiz, which will be

925
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 2: December seventh, looking forward to that rematch, they do the

926
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 2: press tour around the world. They go to Saudi's little

927
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 2: bubbly around the belly hair.

928
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: So I actually looked this up. If you guys didn't

929
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: know this, here's the issue with this Ruiz At a

930
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: birthday recently, yeah, thirtieth, thirtieth birthday, handsome celebrations beyond that,

931
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: and there were pictures that came out video as well

932
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: of like let's see waitresses in lingerie. He had an

933
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: ice luge with his own name and logo on it.

934
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: There was a naked naked girl as a sushi. I

935
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: actually looked this up. Do you know how much the

936
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: naked sushi girl calls?

937
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: So she's her body is a plate, her.

938
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: Body is a plate, and she's covered strategically with sushi,

939
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: although eventually that that strategy fails as people eat more

940
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: of their you know, salmon row or whatever. Do you

941
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: know much that costs?

942
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 2: No?

943
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: I looked this up. The most basic, the most basic

944
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: of those, and I don't think he got one of those.

945
00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: I think he had the one of the grander ones.

946
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: They start at twelve grand, twelve grand.

947
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:03,959
Speaker 2: Well, he bought a Rolls Royce, he bought a Mancha.

948
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: I'm not telling the guy how to live his life.

949
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 2: I want to see him come in more trim than

950
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 2: the first one.

951
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: He was ill photos back to you. We talked about

952
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: Habib like why he's great and now, look, anybody who

953
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: doesn't want to train for any reason will find one.

954
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: But because of his devout faith, he doesn't engage in

955
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: any kind of hardcore party and certainly not any consumption

956
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: of alcohol that we're aware of. It kind of keeps

957
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 1: him to a degree in terms of his athy abibe. Yes, yes,

958
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: in terms of in terms of his athletic demands. It

959
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: keeps him on the straight and narrow. Joshua was going

960
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 1: to be ruiz. I'm not here to question his faith,

961
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: but rather it doesn't define his life that way. And

962
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: here he is on the biggest fight of his life.

963
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: He's already spent what seems like, and I'll put it

964
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: this way, imprudent financial investment amount of money. And he

965
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,720
Speaker 1: did look a little bit big heading into that press

966
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 1: conference that they had out in December. Forth to the

967
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: December seven fight. Are you worried he's gonna blow this

968
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: whole thing?

969
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 2: I'm nervous. And the whole point is like he was

970
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 2: fat the first fight, and that's what made the whole story.

971
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 2: That's what made it viral. Yeah, and the thickest thing,

972
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 2: goo chubby guy who people didn't realize that is such

973
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 2: a good fighter underneath. But he's got three months to

974
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: do it. I know his trainer, Manny Roe Blace, wants

975
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: him to come in even I think it was fifteen

976
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 2: to twenty pounds lighter than he was the first time around.

977
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 2: Not everybody's the same. I'm giving him a chance for

978
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 2: his moment. He's the heavyweight champion of the world right now,

979
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: He's got three of the four major belts. He may

980
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 2: not have it again after December seventh, So if he

981
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 2: wants to live it up and buy everything, that's cool.

982
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: But I also would have loved that guy knowing he

983
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 2: signed for the rematch after he won the first one,

984
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 2: to kind of be in the gym every single day

985
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 2: and say him to himself, I'm going to come into

986
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 2: this second fight, no excuses, the best I could ever be.

987
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 2: You know why that Dustin Poorier interview hurts so badly

988
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 2: watching it after the hebbi bloss Yeah, when he's crying,

989
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 2: breaking out because he knows there's no excuses. At age thirty,

990
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: he is at the mountaintop of how great he could

991
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 2: be in that Frime peak, that was his peak. A

992
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 2: lot of guys go to the grave saying, man, I

993
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: wonder if I would have tried to become pro, or

994
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: if I wonder if I would have tried to become

995
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 2: a rock star, or I wonder if I would have

996
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: given my best when it was my moment, right mom, spaghetti,

997
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: all that good stuff. Poory eight. He got to that

998
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: moment and he found out he just wasn't good enough.

999
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 2: And it's heartbreakingly sad that he's got an all timer

1000
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: and have been in front of him, but he found

1001
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: out he's just not good enough at that very elite level.

1002
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're treating it with such delicacy.

1003
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: But you get what I'm saying. That's the core of

1004
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: what his heartbreak was, not saying he can't have a

1005
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: Bispink comeback. But I just want Ruiz to uh find

1006
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 2: out the very greatness that's inside of him. I know

1007
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 2: he can do it in three months.

1008
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: I'll just say this last week, so we got to

1009
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: move along again. They're kill him back there.

1010
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 2: But but whoever is in your ear?

1011
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you know who's in my ear? You know

1012
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: who's in my EARA.

1013
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: I mean you know it's a blues riff and B

1014
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 2: Why try to keep up?

1015
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, the point being is ruiz if it's one thing

1016
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: to gradually get better and accumulate titles and money, and

1017
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: then everything's slowly crescendos to the top, not super slow,

1018
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: but you know it's a steady progress versus overnight you

1019
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: have three titles, all this money. He simply doesn't know

1020
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: how to navigate the space effectively. And you're seeing it now.

1021
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: He's treating it like rather than slowly building wealth through

1022
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: like real estate investments over the course of ten fifteen

1023
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: years he won the lottery, he's treating it like he

1024
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: won the lottery. And he's spending money like he didn't

1025
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: know what to do with money now that it's all

1026
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 1: all of a sudden in front of him. All right,

1027
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: Bellatore was over the weekend Belltour two twenty six. I'm

1028
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: not even gonna talk about that main event. What a

1029
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: disaster I can't believe how bad that was.

1030
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: Nobody even got kicked in this time, and it was great.

1031
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: I just I can't even dignify what happened there. And

1032
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: I think Ryan bat is right. I cannot see the

1033
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 1: ipoke there at all. I don't know what they're talking about,

1034
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: but okay, here's the good news. That featherweight tournament that

1035
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: they're putting on. I absolutely love the first round of it,

1036
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 1: so to speak, was what happened on Saturday. The next

1037
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: one will be the twenty eighth of this month. Right,

1038
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: so they had the first four matchups. To me, I'll

1039
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: tell you who my stand up was. I would love

1040
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: to know who yours is. I'm gonna go with Adam

1041
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: Borisch defeating Pack Cards. I gotta tell you, man, this

1042
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: guy went out there and beat through adversity a little bit.

1043
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: Aaron Pico, he's undefeated. He comes from Hungary. Tell me

1044
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: what Hungary top team? I mean, who the hell is

1045
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: out there competing in Hungary? I don't even know. Certainly

1046
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: the Europeans have a better kickboxing background, which he does

1047
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: have one. But he is turning out you can see.

1048
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 1: I think, yes, that's him there. I believe, No, that's

1049
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Sanchez. Point being is he had a good night too.

1050
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: Point being is the guy has slowly gotten better and

1051
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: better and better. Bellator's Featherway division is for real. It's

1052
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 1: very good. It's why that they can have this tournament

1053
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: to begin with. And then he keeps landing this flying

1054
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: double switch knee. People have no idea what to do

1055
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: with it. Pat Curran is a very tested veteran and

1056
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: he's not been competing as a pro, and only a pro.

1057
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: He's been a pro, but he's been like, here's a

1058
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: Joe job Now, nothing wrong with I'm just saying he's not.

1059
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: He's not one hundred percent in the gym. So it's

1060
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,919
Speaker 1: still to me a developmental win for this guy.

1061
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: But when you finish someone at that level.

1062
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: Would you finish the one at that level with those

1063
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: kinds of steaks? When if he was the one, by

1064
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: the way, it was kind of evenish on the feet,

1065
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: and then who took a risk that guy did, and

1066
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: he took the risk and finished him off. He's got

1067
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: great finishing instincts. I have my eye on Adam Borch.

1068
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a double back on that and just

1069
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 2: and put it right down. Borsch made the news with Pico.

1070
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 2: I've got Rushad Evans on my State of Combat podcast

1071
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 2: every week. Who's in the gym at Hard Knocks three

1072
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 2: sixty five with with Adam Bordgin is telling you. I'm

1073
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 2: telling you this guy's gonna win the tournament from day one.

1074
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: I think he's certainly making that early announcement that he's

1075
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 2: the wild card, that he's the potential star. And the

1076
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: thing I love about tournaments, and this is a sixteen

1077
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 2: man one that Beltzer is doing at featherweight, so it's

1078
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 2: even more entertainment. But the point of these tournaments at

1079
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: its core is a lot of times a star can

1080
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: be born. Remember Andre Ward in the super six super

1081
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: middleweight tournament that was on Showtime. Remember this Heavyweight Grand

1082
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: Prix that we're looking at names like fad Or in Chail,

1083
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 2: but it's Ryan Bader who surprises us and goes from

1084
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 2: being sort of an average name fighter to must see

1085
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: two division champion. This sports might be the guy that

1086
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 2: comes out of here and really puts that stamp on

1087
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,439
Speaker 2: him that he's next in their brand, in the bell

1088
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: tore bracket, in that division and maybe overall in the sport.

1089
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: He seems to have a plus side ceiling that's above

1090
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 2: even some of the other guys who had impressive wins on.

1091
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: SARA And good news for European MM. They finally have

1092
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: another guy who's out there slowly getting done and not

1093
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: from an MMA hotbed, although he has now moved to

1094
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: a place where he can get elite modern best practices.

1095
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's good for the development of the

1096
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: sport worldwide.

1097
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: I can't let you roll off a belitoy without I

1098
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,439
Speaker 2: mean Rampage coming in and pushing Beator and now Ryan

1099
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 2: bab was it Fador Betor or Fader Batter that that's

1100
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: neither of those? Okay? Does that? Does that do anything?

1101
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 2: Bata already says, Okay, was that more cringe than when

1102
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: uh Stephan Bonner brought out the guy in the mask

1103
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 2: and uh.

1104
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: Stephan Bonner Justin McCully. Yeah, the Justin mccullay bit is

1105
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: truly lo mayhorr as they would say in Spanish, for

1106
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 1: the all time cringingest thing.

1107
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, when Rampage gets a heavyweight titles shot here

1108
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: against Ryan Bator, are you gonna you're gonna care?

1109
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: I'll watch because it's my job. And by the way,

1110
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: the second round of the featherweight tournament. When you've got

1111
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: guys like Darian Caldwell moving up to featherweight and you've

1112
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 1: got the title fight and Lambton Pricio and Wan at Letta,

1113
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a hell of a show in the

1114
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: twenty eighth So be sure to check that out right

1115
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: before we get out of here. For the major topics

1116
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: that we're going to hit today, do Zone and uh

1117
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 1: Eddie hearn Well, they're all behind it. To YouTube, zilch

1118
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: is cosplaying as boxers also known as kus I and

1119
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: Low and Paul. They are going to fight, dude, it's

1120
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: gonna be at the Staple Center's let me finish this

1121
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: Staple Center. It's gonna be on Dizonne. You have a

1122
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: whether you like them or hate him, a real deal

1123
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 1: promoter in boxing getting behind this. Folks have said how

1124
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: should fight fans feel about it? I'm gonna tell you

1125
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: how you should feel about it. There is too much

1126
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: money to be made for any organization or promoter in

1127
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: boxing where the standards are as low. I mean they

1128
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: literally have to pass laws to maintain standards. If they

1129
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: could have somebody fight a dead body like weekend at

1130
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 1: Bernie's in this business, they would. Okay. So the point

1131
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: being is, if you're Eddie Hearn and knowing that Eddie

1132
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: Hearn's going to Saudi Arabia, I mean, trust me, he

1133
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: has no problem taking questionable amounts of money and from

1134
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: questionable sources. He's gonna look at this. He's gonna say

1135
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: no thanks, guys, I've got standards to maintain. The point

1136
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: being is they're just gonna do it and you have

1137
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: no ability to stop it. You can belly ache all

1138
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: you want, it's still gonna go forward. You can make

1139
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: an argument that de Zone needs it for the younger audience,

1140
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 1: for forms of growth, and at the end of the day,

1141
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: all you have to do is not watch it. I

1142
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: think it's dumb, obviously. I think these two have you know,

1143
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you ever seen that movie with all Schwarzenegger

1144
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: and Danny DeVito called Twins, Well, we're Schwarzenegger apparently the

1145
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: premier all right, for folks who have seen that the premises,

1146
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: Schwarzenegger in the Womb got all the genetic gifts from

1147
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,760
Speaker 1: intellect to Braun and Danny DeVito got quote the leftover crap.

1148
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: These two are the leftover genetic crap. I don't know

1149
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: who their twins would be, but that that's what you

1150
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: have here. It doesn't matter what you think of them,

1151
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what I think of them. It's gonna

1152
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: make money. It's gonna make money for the sources involved.

1153
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: You can't stop people in that circumstance from just doing

1154
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do. Just ignore it.

1155
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,919
Speaker 2: They're putting real fights like Billy Joe Saunders, the former

1156
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 2: middleweight title holders. It's gonna be in the Cole main

1157
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 2: event here. It's super smart at his own because they

1158
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:50,959
Speaker 2: got to make things happen. We thought we were gonna

1159
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 2: get all these big name fights, Triple G, Canelo three

1160
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 2: not happening. This is more to smart from a financial

1161
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 2: standpoint of them and her. And let's not forget the

1162
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 2: first fight between KSI and Logan Paul, which had headgear on.

1163
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 2: It was an amateur fight, was presented as a real

1164
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: pay per view in England but for less money and

1165
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: around the world. I think it was ten fifteen dollars.

1166
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 2: It sold over a million pay per views did and

1167
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen post Mayweather Pacchiou pay per view era

1168
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: where it's harder to reach that threshold because people are

1169
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: sort of worn out by it. To have any two

1170
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 2: people get in a ring and move a million is

1171
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 2: big business, so you can't be mad at it. But

1172
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 2: combat sports, which is the red light district of regular

1173
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 2: sports where Sugar was right, it's the only place where

1174
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 2: it could happen, Luke, and we know this, so it

1175
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 2: doesn't really you're wasting your time getting upset at it.

1176
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: It's really no different than Sampunk getting a chance in

1177
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 2: the UFC or that Kimbo sliced Dot.

1178
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: It's categorically different, but not a five.

1179
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 2: Thousand heart attack match. It's really the same type of crap.

1180
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 2: I mean, the NBA. You know you're not gonna see

1181
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 2: the Globe Trotters be entered into the NBA playoffs. You

1182
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 2: can't see that type of thing where you don't earn

1183
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 2: it to get to that point. I don't hate that

1184
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 2: a real promoter and a real network would get involved.

1185
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily want to see it on a regular

1186
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 2: basis though. I don't want to see an escalation of it.

1187
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 2: I don't want to see a combination like do you

1188
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 2: remember the one of the low moments in boxing pay

1189
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 2: per view history, Luke, Oh, Jesus, right around two thousand

1190
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 2: and eight or nine, when Mike Tyson had officially retired,

1191
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 2: but he was doing a world tour of sparring and

1192
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 2: he went in there against Cory t Rex Sanders with

1193
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 2: the big gut, who wore a sleeveless T shirt, and

1194
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 2: they put on a pay per view card in Cincinnati

1195
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 2: that had real fights lead it up to the main event,

1196
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 2: which was Tyson and a fat guy in a T

1197
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 2: shirt sparring for three rounds, and that bombs so badly

1198
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 2: and came off in such bad taste that they canceled

1199
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 2: the subsequent world tour that they were going to do

1200
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 2: with it, which was a good thing. If these type

1201
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 2: of one offs are fine, but like, look, if Lebron

1202
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 2: Tomorrow got in an argument with Antonio Brown and they

1203
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 2: wanted to settle in a ring, we'd be fired the

1204
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 2: hell up. That this was a boxing match with two

1205
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 2: giant celebrities, that's fine. I just don't want to see

1206
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 2: the hoaring out of regular combat sports promoters and networks

1207
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: become a I almost like to keep this thing separate. Like,

1208
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 2: if you're going to do that, then give me some

1209
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: other slop with it, give me some celebrity boxing.

1210
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: It's amazing though, what YouTube popularity allows you to do

1211
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: and being kind of serious. These guys are known for

1212
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: whatever they're known for Logan Paul for I mean for what,

1213
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 1: having the world's doucheus attitude and watching people hang themselves

1214
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: in Japan and KSI couldn't name one song he did,

1215
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: but I looked at his numbers. He has twenty million

1216
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: subscribers on you.

1217
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 2: They have more subscribers on their social media channels than

1218
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 2: there are in many world nations.

1219
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: So this this is the point I'm trying to raise.

1220
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 1: It's like, if you can generate enough of your own audience,

1221
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: they become attached to you. Once they become attached to you,

1222
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: you can basically go and do whatever you want. Not

1223
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: whatever you want, but I mean you you kind of

1224
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: sell it to them a little bit. But the point

1225
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: is it allows for this creative and I frankly, this

1226
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: freedom of identity to go and be something else that

1227
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: you're not really they're not. I mean, they're gonna be

1228
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: pro boxers and not really pro boxers. So YouTube allows

1229
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: this kind of true and it brings in an audience

1230
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: that's sorry if they're not bringing in boxing fans, but

1231
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: they're bringing an audience that ordinarily would never watch boxing.

1232
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: The reason why I even though I don't want to

1233
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 2: necessarily see this long term because I think it it

1234
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,240
Speaker 2: really puts a water down stain on the true elite

1235
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 2: level of boxing or MMA. Whenever you do stuff like this,

1236
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 2: right you put.

1237
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: Yes, I wouldn't want to stay in the uh.

1238
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying though, But the.

1239
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: Upstated behavior of Dillian White.

1240
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 2: I think the difference in this case is I watched

1241
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 2: that first KSI Paul bout, Jesus Christ?

1242
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: Did you?

1243
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 2: And you know what wrong with you? They respectfully respected

1244
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 2: the sport, They took training camp seriously, and they fought

1245
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 2: in a celebrity bout as if they were trying to

1246
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 2: be actual boxers. And we've seen garbage plate celebrity boxing

1247
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 2: in the past. Remember Fox had that series that was

1248
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 2: Musty TV. You had to sit down here high break

1249
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 2: from It had Todd Bridges. I mean, it was just

1250
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 2: it was, you know the kind of stuff I eat

1251
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 2: when I when I built the car, it was that

1252
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 2: like reccoon. Uh, but that's slop, that's barstool sports, hot

1253
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: and heavy, rough and routy whatever they call it. Yeah,

1254
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 2: Cassi and Logan Paul are taking this super serious. So

1255
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 2: I can actually respect that. I can respect seem I

1256
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 2: can respect see him punk to a certain degree. Not

1257
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 2: the matchmaking.

1258
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: Respect anybody who take the martial arts seriously, but that

1259
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: doesn't mean they belong in the ultiplying Championship. One thing

1260
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: I'll say about this, did you okay? So here's how

1261
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,760
Speaker 1: it worked, and then we'll move on to dms from donks.

1262
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: Did you see the videos that they each had to

1263
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: put out after the announcement?

1264
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:12,240
Speaker 2: No, I don't get into the building.

1265
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: Okay, So hold on. Here's how I found it because

1266
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: I was checking trending on YouTube and had ald trending videos.

1267
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: They had to do one of the same things. They

1268
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: both had to have the same thumbnail, which was the

1269
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: fight poster, and then they both had to have that

1270
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: ad they had made like this time no headgear. They

1271
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: both had to have that as the pre roll, and

1272
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: then they got to do whatever they want. KSI decided

1273
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: to make like a interview where he's sitting in the

1274
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: boxing room and it's all black and he's getting interviewed.

1275
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 1: It did quite well, Okay. Then Loogan Paul made one

1276
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: where he's like, here's twelve reasons why I'm gonna win,

1277
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: and then it's he has his friends with him for

1278
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: every all the twelve and the reasons are flimsy. He's like,

1279
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: I've got big dick energy. Oh snap, And next one

1280
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: he's like, I like to wear my hat backwards. Oh.

1281
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: I was sticking to myself. He got super downvoted, like

1282
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: fifty thousand down votes. I was sticking to myself. This

1283
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: is the worst thing I've ever seen. And if some

1284
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: when an MMA did this, I'd have to hear from

1285
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: the MMA media how creative it was. That was the

1286
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: first thing I thought about, Like, this is literally.

1287
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: This is thin p D should be legalized.

1288
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: I don't think D should be legalized.

1289
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 2: Animals.

1290
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd rather have ebola shot in my face than

1291
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: watch that ad again. And I guarantee you there's never

1292
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: the MA media being.

1293
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 2: Like bra woa is. How do you compare this though?

1294
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 2: To Maywehi McGregor.

1295
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: People have asked me that the answer is this, whatever

1296
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: else you want to say about that match, which was

1297
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,760
Speaker 1: it Was it a money grab? Yes? Was it uneven

1298
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: from the get go? Yes? In the end, man, you

1299
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 1: had two like legitimately decorated combat athletes yes, and you

1300
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: kind of knew what it was about. I mean, okay,

1301
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: there was a Donks who didn't, but for the most part,

1302
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: like everyone in the media was like, hey, they're just

1303
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: Connor's gonna get rich, Flod's gonna get rich. It's just

1304
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: kind of a curiosity thing in that sense. I didn't

1305
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: find it nearly as bad and the scale was bigger,

1306
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: but like in the end, it's like, okay, fine.

1307
00:53:58,120 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 2: I think because it wasn't a slaughter in the end,

1308
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 2: would which was our fear. And even though it was

1309
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 2: one sided in the end, I think the fact that

1310
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 2: it looked like somewhat too competitive fighters to a certain

1311
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,720
Speaker 2: degree and a degree and I think so are Logan

1312
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 2: and Paul and Ks either are kind of on the.

1313
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 1: Same permission is going to have to regulate it.

1314
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 2: It's kind of the same thing in a weird way.

1315
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 2: And I and I don't hate either one. I just

1316
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 2: I don't want to live in the space. I don't

1317
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 2: want this to become the new reality. But look, it

1318
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 2: can only happen to combat sports. Lucas, all right, it's

1319
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 2: the man you are. You got to you got a

1320
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 2: hot date.

1321
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: Yes, I have another job. I got bills to pay

1322
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: Brian Campbell, all right, let's do this now, time for

1323
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: DMS with donks. It's where we take your questions and

1324
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: uh the love the production team in the back has

1325
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: sent me theirs. So let's get going here. Let's see

1326
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: what the first one asks, like, I make sure that

1327
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: it coheres with what I have. Put that up on

1328
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: the screen for me.

1329
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 2: We're live, guys, We're live.

1330
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: While I'm still good looking. Please. My draw instructor used

1331
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: to say that Toms, toms, uh go get me that

1332
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: while I'm still good looking at I used to be

1333
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: like shut though. All right, this comes up from mindless Floyd.

1334
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 1: Should Habib retire tomorrow, would he be considered the greatest

1335
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,720
Speaker 1: Russian mixed martial artist over Fad.

1336
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 2: Or no why uh fade or larger body of work

1337
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 2: touched the heart strings on a on a foundational and

1338
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: nostalgic level with fans from back then to today, and

1339
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 2: the greatest heavyweight of all time by the way lost

1340
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 2: in our debates in for recent episodes of like steep

1341
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 2: Ay versus The Ghost of Randy Katour or steep A versus DC,

1342
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 2: I want to establish that Fador is the greatest heavyweight

1343
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 2: of all time. We were just having a discussion right

1344
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:36,439
Speaker 2: on as well.

1345
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: Also, I had fad Or in the studio once and

1346
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: I was like, what's your favorite movie? Because he would

1347
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 1: not even yeah, well, let's tell He was like Fader

1348
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: was like the worst interview at the time. And I

1349
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: was like, I was like, all right, what's your favorite

1350
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: I mean, let me just I gotta get something out

1351
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: of this guy's like pulling blood from stone. And I

1352
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: was like, all right, what's your favorite movie? He's like,

1353
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: any Russian movie. I'm like, okay, yeah, can I tell

1354
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 1: that what's your favorite book? Any Russian book?

1355
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 2: I tried for I don't know, three years to get

1356
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 2: an in person interview with Or because I believe that

1357
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 2: I could be the man who could pull the sword

1358
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 2: from the stone. I believe that I could have been.

1359
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 2: And I had one scheduled in New York City that day,

1360
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 2: and there was this donk who had an interview like

1361
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 2: ninety minutes before me, who sucked the life out of

1362
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 2: Fade Door, and he and his team canceled the rest

1363
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 2: of the interviews for the day. Right that Donk's name

1364
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 2: Luke Thomas.

1365
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know what if he came in with

1366
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: life he was life support.

1367
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 2: Let me tell you thanks for ruining him by asking

1368
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 2: him his favorite book to read.

1369
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: I mean, well, he didn't answer any of the question.

1370
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: What am I supposed to do? The thing?

1371
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 2: Why don't you ask him about suicide rock or anything

1372
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 2: like that?

1373
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: Or you know what? I would have been the next

1374
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: one if I'd had more time? All right, all right,

1375
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: let's go.

1376
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 2: To otion metal anything.

1377
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 1: I like how you listened to. You listened to the

1378
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: kind of thing people living in a van down by

1379
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: the river listened to. And you have the tamerity to

1380
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 1: come on here and lecture me about my music choices.

1381
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: Unbelievable to marry?

1382
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 2: Is that more like? What's that word you? What was

1383
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 2: that other word you tried to teach me?

1384
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, I don't remember. Uh NIKU, Underscore,

1385
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: mac RN, Yuke fuck come names. Is Dustin Parier carrying

1386
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 1: with him a huge increase in fan base from this loss.

1387
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: His post fight press conference views on YouTube are higher

1388
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: than Habib's MMA Fighting has one million for Partier versus

1389
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: verses two hundred ten for k for Habib. True Jim,

1390
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: a Russian YouTube channel with two point seven million followers,

1391
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: has one point seven million views for Habib's postfight press conference,

1392
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: but five point eight for Dustin's. I don't know how

1393
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: many followers Poario had on Instagram before, but he almost

1394
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: hits one million. Now, what do you think.

1395
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 2: I try not to This sounds like a big pile

1396
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 2: of nerd. You got a response to this?

1397
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: You seriously don't have a response to the question. Did

1398
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: Dustin Parier gain fans through the gracefulness by which he

1399
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: handled the loss?

1400
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 2: Yes? I didn't hear that question the first time.

1401
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: You read it simply what he's asking.

1402
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did that. There was and I touched on

1403
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 2: that earlier. It was touching, touching the way I mean

1404
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 2: he showed you that. Like I said, there's no excuses.

1405
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 2: He gave every ounce of himself to this fight, to

1406
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 2: this resurgence his career, to that moment, and he just

1407
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 2: came up short. And the way that he handled himself

1408
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 2: was it was equally heartbreaking and inspiring at the same time.

1409
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, when you watch sports, you learn

1410
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: a lot of things, one of which is how to win.

1411
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: Dustin Poarier taught you how to lose. Now, I know

1412
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: that that's not a thing he wants to be known for.

1413
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: I don't think he should in general, But what I

1414
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 1: mean is the context you're setting is correct. Dude, this

1415
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: is Dustin Poarier. I didn't think he was going to

1416
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: beat Max Holloway, and then he beat the brakes off

1417
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: of him. And he came in there beating Anthony Pettis.

1418
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: He stopped, just engaged he with strikes. He got revenge

1419
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: on Eddie Alvarez. He beat Max Alloway. He had forty

1420
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: fights under his belt. He was a black belt in

1421
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu. He was ready for that moment. He's not

1422
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: shot worn either. You know, he had a great training kid, He.

1423
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 2: Had a nine great education. Like what he's done with

1424
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 2: his life.

1425
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: He's look. Look, he looked to be in great physical

1426
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: condition and he lost at the moment he thought he

1427
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: was going to have it all. It was all taken

1428
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: from him. And look at the grace that he showed.

1429
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: I'm sure that has been excruciatingly painful for him to

1430
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: deal with. He taught people, I mean this absolutely as

1431
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: a compliment. He taught people how to lose with grace

1432
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: and humility. Uh on the on, not just a tough

1433
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: stage in his life, but professionally, maybe the very toughest.

1434
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: So if he doesn't get fans from that, if you

1435
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: if you didn't like the Gatechee knockout, maybe this is

1436
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: more for you. I don't know, all right, Uh I

1437
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: can never pronounce these Irish names. Ocean ocean Uh. Apple

1438
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: Sauce says, is there any chance of Diaz versus Mass

1439
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:32,959
Speaker 1: with all out selling Diaz versus McGregor. No, The answer

1440
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: is no.

1441
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 2: The answer is no. But that is an interesting question.

1442
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: Someone asked me this. Let me let me pick it

1443
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: back up, picture right back to you. Can it Can

1444
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: it beat a million buys?

1445
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 2: That's that's the ques. That's the right question right here

1446
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 2: to ask. We're gonna assume, based on Dana's words and

1447
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 2: based on the MSG history, that it will be a

1448
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 2: loaded card from the standpoint of Fights Week. You know,

1449
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 2: we really want to see in recognizable names it cannot

1450
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 2: reach a million because ultimately, in the grand scheme, Nay

1451
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 2: Diaz is is like the greatest B side from a promotional.

1452
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: Paide you on this show and just I mean you,

1453
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: I mean you just take someone's career and you.

1454
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 2: What I do is I don't sit in the pile

1455
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 2: of feelings. I'm telling you the truth.

1456
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: Here, all right.

1457
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,919
Speaker 2: I want Nate ds to essentially become an A side,

1458
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 2: which is getting the chance to in this fight, right, Yeah,

1459
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 2: I think he has that potentially. Historically though, he's like

1460
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 2: the greatest marketing B side, and that's not a slant.

1461
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 2: He played a villain up to that point, an anti

1462
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 2: hero opposite Connor, so he was the perfect B side.

1463
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 2: So because he hasn't had an establishment yet as a

1464
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 2: consistent A side, I think this will dry a lot

1465
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 2: of interest. I think it'll do very big business for them.

1466
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 2: But in twenty nineteen, to get to that one million

1467
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 2: pay per view by number in boxing outside of the

1468
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 2: Glovekin Canela fights, no one has done that back since

1469
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 2: Mayweather in Pacia or Mayweather and McGregor. It's not something

1470
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 2: you can consistently do. And UFC unless it's what Luke,

1471
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 2: unless it's Connor or Brock or a couple times Prime Rousey,

1472
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 2: it barely ever happens. So I don't think we get there.

1473
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,439
Speaker 2: But I love what this fight can do for both

1474
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 2: of the brands.

1475
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: The point to the point is this, it doesn't need

1476
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: to hit a million to be outrageously successful, exactly. I

1477
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: guess the seven hundred and fifty thousand, which I do

1478
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: think is doable.

1479
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 2: And one thing you asked me in the beginning was

1480
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 2: what I love about this fight. I love that both

1481
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 2: guys are getting a chance to become a star. There

1482
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 2: can't be a loser in this fight. Somebody's only going

1483
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 2: to lose momentum whoever loses it. This is a sort

1484
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 2: of like, let's prop up both guys at the same

1485
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 2: time and find out what they can be. But no,

1486
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 2: to answer to the question, I cannot out do what

1487
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 2: McGregor and deistic.

1488
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 1: Okay, so this comes to us from Purple Smurf fifteen

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Speaker 1: to ten. It's a real name. What are you guys?

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Speaker 1: Thoughts on scorecards getting shown after every round? Combat sports

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Speaker 1: are the only sports with the competitors don't know for

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Speaker 1: sure if they are winning or losing. So this is

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Speaker 1: a caught question I get fairly often, Brian. I have

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Speaker 1: the same answer every time, which is, if you ask

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Speaker 1: people who are four, it's called open scoring. Basically, if

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Speaker 1: you are four open scoring, here's the argument you'll get. Hey, man,

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Speaker 1: if you're down two rounds or four rounds, whatever the

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Speaker 1: nature of the fight is, and you see you're down

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Speaker 1: fifth rounds coming up it'll drive you to win, and

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Speaker 1: then to beeople who don't like open scoring will suggest, well,

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Speaker 1: here's the other part. What if you're up two rounds,

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Speaker 1: you'll look up and say, O money. Oh, I'll just

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Speaker 1: coast right. So in other words, both sides seem to

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Speaker 1: casually ignore that they're that the that the opposite scenario

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Speaker 1: of which they use to offer their arguments for their

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Speaker 1: cause end up undercutting their own argument. I guess my

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Speaker 1: answer would be as follows. I'm open to just about anything,

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Speaker 1: but the problem is we don't have enough data to

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Speaker 1: really know exactly how it's going to go. We've seen

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Speaker 1: it worked in were used in kickboxing to mixed results.

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Speaker 1: We've seen it using MMA in certain cases to mixed results.

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Speaker 1: I would be willing to try it if the UFC

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Speaker 1: wanted to innovate when they went overseas and they can

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Speaker 1: self regulate, i'd be I'd be interested in seeing them

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Speaker 1: try it there and then get a larger body of

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Speaker 1: information to make a call about it. But here's what

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Speaker 1: I want to say. If this is yours, I'm not

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Speaker 1: suggesting that the person asking this is saying this, but

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Speaker 1: a lot of people think, oh, here's a problem with

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Speaker 1: the ten point must system. Let's put in open scoring.

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Speaker 1: That will fix it. If you think that the way

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Speaker 1: to fix open ten point must system is with open scoring,

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Speaker 1: you are going to be very much let down. It

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Speaker 1: is an interesting feature if you think you might get

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Speaker 1: better fights. In the end, I tend to think you

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Speaker 1: probably it's a wash in the end. I don't really know,

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Speaker 1: but that's my hunch. But what I know for Shore Brian,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't fix the problems with the tempoints system even

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Speaker 1: a little bit.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't fix any scoring problems. I don't like it

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Speaker 2: for entertainment purposes. I don't even like it for the

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Speaker 2: reasons you mentioned for the fighters. Boxing has tried this

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Speaker 2: at times. The WBC has an open scoring policy that

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Speaker 2: sometimes in random spots. It's negotiated into the deal in

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Speaker 2: some states, and it happens the last big fight I

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Speaker 2: can really remember what it happened. I don't have remember

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Speaker 2: twenty thirteen in the Alamo Dome when Canela overs had

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Speaker 2: that one fifty four pound unification pot without Austin trout

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Speaker 2: and it was a fight where at the eight round mark.

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Speaker 2: So how the WBC does is they announced it. I

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Speaker 2: believe at the fourth and eighth rounds of the two

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Speaker 2: times right in a fight where they announce it publicly,

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Speaker 2: and at the eighth round. I had that fight for

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Speaker 2: four It was close, and I think one judge had

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Speaker 2: eight nothing Canelo. A second judge had it like seven

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01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 2: to one. So if you're Austin Trout at that point,

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Speaker 2: this is just that specific fight guy, not a lot

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Speaker 2: of power, not a finish her, more of a technical guy.

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Speaker 2: You pretty much lost that fight. Knockout Canelo, You're not.

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Speaker 2: And I know he fought more offensive down the.

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Speaker 1: Stretch, but do you think he get knocked down after that?

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Speaker 2: Though he did have he was knocked down and that

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01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 2: was a big part of him losing what I thought

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01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 2: was a close fight. But what makes combat sports is

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Speaker 2: unique are a lot of things. But one of those

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Speaker 2: is that you don't have that. One of those is

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Speaker 2: that there's that subject to do, and you have it

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Speaker 2: in jiu jitsu well and at boxing MMA, at least

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Speaker 2: in this in this prize fighting sense, it's part of

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Speaker 2: the mystery and the element of a fight. And I

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Speaker 2: know that. Look, it's not fun when you watch a

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Speaker 2: fight that you know in your heart was super close,

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Speaker 2: and then the scorecards are read and it's completely right

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Speaker 2: wide one way, and you're like, man, what a croc.

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Speaker 2: We just wasted all those rounds just for this robbery.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think it helps the sport in any

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Speaker 2: circumstance enough to even consider making it part of it.

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Speaker 1: It's just to me, I think in the end, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't really It's not clear to me what it does

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Speaker 1: to a fight to meaningfully improve it, other than transparency

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Speaker 1: for judging malfeisons, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, the bottom line of this is not competition.

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Speaker 2: The bottom line of this is a business and fans

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Speaker 2: Luke and I don't think it helps your viewing experience

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Speaker 2: when you know that, because some of the things in

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Speaker 2: boxing that make boxing fun are the bad parts, the stains,

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Speaker 2: the fact that, oh, that was a pretty good fight,

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Speaker 2: but watch this guy's probably gonna get screwed. Let's go

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Speaker 2: to the scorecards. We don't like that the guy get screwed,

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Speaker 2: but the fact that we anticipate that every time is

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Speaker 2: part of the viewing experience. I think waiting that reveal

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Speaker 2: is always Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The reveal is big. The reveal is certainly big. And

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Speaker 1: also if your sport is dictated by points, so in

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Speaker 1: the sense of wrestling. Two for a takedown that kind

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Speaker 1: of a thing. Then I think it makes sense to

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Speaker 1: have a running tally. But there are only points in

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Speaker 1: so far as ten nine ad judged for a round,

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Speaker 1: not for a punch off, for a kick before they

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Speaker 1: tiked on or whatever. It gives a boxing obviously different

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Speaker 1: kinds of punches. So if you're not gonna tally punches,

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Speaker 1: why do I need to see the running tally? So

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Speaker 1: to speak of the scores ins far as that's true. Okay, Last,

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Speaker 1: but not least, how do you eat your steak? There's

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Speaker 1: only one answer to this, maybe one and a half

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Speaker 1: answers to this. Please tell me you eat your steak

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Speaker 1: like a refined human being, not some kind of barbarian

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Speaker 1: like Romulus and Riema's style. What do you think I

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Speaker 1: was a.

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Speaker 2: Uncultured person for most of my life.

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Speaker 1: Luke, I can't believe it.

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Speaker 2: If you can tell that I grew up in a

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Speaker 2: in a hard factory town with an urban edge to it,

1604
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 2: did I you know? It made me who I am today?

1605
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 2: This this hard worker who can eat?

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01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 1: Did you Eminem from eight mile who can.

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Speaker 2: Eat out of a convenience store? At any time?

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Speaker 1: Did you pop a dog.

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Speaker 2: I've learned in recent years what real what what men do?

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Speaker 2: What real life is that? That is a bloody ass thing.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: How do you have a cooked I like to carve

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Speaker 2: off what I want and ride the rest home.

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Speaker 1: Good.

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Speaker 2: It's a dense Larry joke.

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Speaker 1: You hate its Larry.

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Speaker 2: That's no cure for cancer, right, Yeah, that's my favorite

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01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 2: moment of comedy.

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Speaker 1: Dude, you are stuck in the nineties and a sort

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Speaker 1: of alarming kind of.

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Speaker 2: Luke, once I went, uh pink, I mean R Smith

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Speaker 2: wrote a song about how great it is. Right once

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Speaker 2: I I mean, you can't go back, Luke, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean. Once you once you just get in there.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna get us fired with the ship. The answer

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Speaker 1: is the answer is uh medium, rare and rare are

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Speaker 1: the only two acceptable answers. If you get your steak medium,

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Speaker 1: you'll or a visa goth if you get it medium

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01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: well or well done. And I want to be clear

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01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 1: that I'm you deserve to be killed in front of

1631
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Speaker 1: your loved ones. That is how awful you are. You

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Speaker 1: have the palette of a toddler, and you are ruining America.

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Speaker 2: Look, so you would be fully against using a one

1634
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Speaker 2: or ketchup at eight point.

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Speaker 1: Understand I'm being serious. For what do you understand how

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Speaker 1: the flavor works to the extent you cook it right,

1637
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 1: you cook out the flavor past a certain point. So

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Speaker 1: the reason why you're putting on a one is because.

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Speaker 2: You don't have a book steak everything all right? Then

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Speaker 2: let me let me do this.

1641
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Speaker 1: Okay, I imagine cooking something to be like yo, all

1642
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 1: that ship that makes it tasty. Let's cook it out

1643
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 1: and then put a one on top of you. You

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Speaker 1: don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm a ketchup fiend, and I am, and I'm a

1646
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Speaker 2: condiment fiend. I'll dip anything inside of that. But the

1647
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Speaker 2: point I'm really trying to go with this is I

1648
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:54,919
Speaker 2: agree with you on steak. When a steak is great,

1649
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Speaker 2: don't don't even put anything even salt, pepper oil. Don't

1650
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 2: give me a play. In fact, I like go in

1651
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 2: those places where it cooks in front of you on

1652
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 2: that square, like I'll go, you know whatever, No, it

1653
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 2: cooks in front of you on that little heating square.

1654
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 1: The hibachis thing.

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01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you ever go like a Portugese restaurant they

1656
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,439
Speaker 2: got that they'll put the steak on the hot ass

1657
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 2: square in front of you, and then when it gets

1658
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 2: to the level that you you start cutting it, when

1659
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 2: it gets to the cook level that you want. But

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Speaker 2: when you get really good steak, like let's say we

1661
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 2: go out most use let's say the showtime bosses are

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01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:24,639
Speaker 2: taking out the credit card and we get really good steak,

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01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 2: I think you'll know that the sides around it become

1664
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 2: the best you've ever had. Right, that's the best mashed potatoes,

1665
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 2: corn asparagus I've ever had. Because I'm at this steakhouse

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Speaker 2: that's ridiculously expensive. I take a piece of steak and

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Speaker 2: dip it into the insanely good mashed potatoes because it's like,

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Speaker 2: it's no no, But do you do you look at

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01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:48,759
Speaker 2: that as as big of an offense as putting ketchup

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01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:50,799
Speaker 2: or a one on it. I think that's the melding

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01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:51,679
Speaker 2: of two different worlds.

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Speaker 1: If you have to say Garsan, bring over the Hines

1673
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 1: fifty seven.

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01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 2: Then you're an asshole.

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01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 1: You're a complete asshole. Yeah. But if they have creamed

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01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,080
Speaker 1: spinach on the table.

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Speaker 2: It's like two chicks at the same time off the space,

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01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 2: and that's.

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01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 1: That's Andy Ruiz is sushi girl. Yeah, I mean, yes,

1680
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: you know, you might get some salmon row, you might

1681
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 1: get some eel. You're just the two mix.

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01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:10,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll eat that without my pants on, Like

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01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 2: that's fantastic.

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01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I can live with that. I can live

1685
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 1: with that. I don't think that's so outrageous, Paul. I'll

1686
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 1: tell you this. When I went to Columbia, there's this

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01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 1: place that they called Elu middle the thing it's called

1688
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 1: the oven, I think that's what it means. And what

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01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: they did was was run by all Argentinians, and they

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01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 1: have these grates and the grates would be on chains,

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01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 1: and they have this like things you rotate and then

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01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:32,799
Speaker 1: the grates would come down, and so it was just meet.

1693
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 2: You watching the animal die in front of you.

1694
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 1: No, no, no, But they did their own butchering too.

1695
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 1: But the point being is so you watched the meat

1696
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 1: get cooked on these grates and they would raise and

1697
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 1: lower the grade depending when you were cooking whatever. They

1698
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: bring you all the meat. First, you eat all the meat,

1699
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,679
Speaker 1: and then afterwards they bring you the sides. You don't

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01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 1: get to combined.

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01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I.

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01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 1: Wasn't sure how I felt about until I had the

1703
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:52,640
Speaker 1: sides and they were slamming so I was like, all right,

1704
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 1: you can have your.

1705
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 2: Hoss and eat it too. I've creeped out many of

1706
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 2: women in my life. I don't know if you can

1707
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 2: guess that, but I can't believe but what I do

1708
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 2: with these matresses, And as I asked a legitimate question, they're.

1709
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 1: The only guy who like, like like preferred to go

1710
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 1: to prom stag.

1711
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 2: I basically ask them, how soon can I eat the steak? Like,

1712
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 2: how soon from the level of butchering? Is it a

1713
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 2: safety eat the steak? Because I would assume that it

1714
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 2: would taste the best as soon as you could possibly

1715
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 2: eat it. I don't know what the answer is, like,

1716
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 2: if I could have it same day? Is that possible?

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01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 1: He's saying, Oh, they say in the back you should

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01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 1: age a stak. Yeah, and there's two kinds of aging,

1719
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 1: dry age and wet age too, which gets a whole

1720
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 1: another thing. Yeah. All right.

1721
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:31,639
Speaker 2: By the way, did you ever see that OTL special

1722
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 2: on ESPN about ten years ago where they talked about

1723
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 2: in Japan, there's this side business that's getting under fire

1724
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 2: and that they buy old successful race horses and then

1725
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,600
Speaker 2: sell the meat as a delicacy in elite steakhouses to

1726
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 2: like the super postyle. So I would never like go

1727
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 2: out of my way to eat horse, right, But if

1728
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 2: I'm in Japan on vacation or whatever, and I'm at

1729
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 2: this restaurant and I have a chance to basically eat

1730
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 2: that guy was third in the Belmont Steaks in ninety nine,

1731
01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:58,799
Speaker 2: You're going out of your way to eat.

1732
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 1: That, right, I will eat a race winner. No, I

1733
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 1: wouldn't think of it that way. Last thing before we go,

1734
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: have you had any of the new uh like impossible

1735
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 1: foods like the impossible Whopper and stuff like that? Are

1736
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 1: you too good for you? You know?

1737
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 2: You know what's impossible for me trying to go to

1738
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:14,720
Speaker 2: the restroom after I eat out a Cumbland farms. That's

1739
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 2: that's enough impossible in my life.

1740
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 1: Well, on that note again, if this is our last show, showtime. Thanks,

1741
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 1: it's been fun. We really appreciated all these sexual and

1742
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 1: diarrhea innuendo notwithstanding. All right, so as always bro oh yeah,

1743
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 1: odds and ends very quickly? What's your odds and ends?

1744
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 2: I don't really like to put myself over that often.

1745
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 2: But do you watch this little vehicle called PBC face

1746
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 2: to face on Fox? We did you know what you are?

1747
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 1: Not? Shy about telling the world about it, so in

1748
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 1: fact I did.

1749
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 2: We had an episode with Erol Spence and Sean Porter.

1750
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 2: You know they're gonna unify world titles welterweight titles in

1751
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 2: September twenty eighth. But this episode got fiery. It was

1752
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,720
Speaker 2: the best one we've done so far. Spence was and

1753
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 2: people are talking about it because of this. In this format,

1754
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 2: in this sort of thing, We've seen it before. Max

1755
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 2: Colorman had a great show back in the day. You

1756
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 2: can get some fake pro wrestling stuff, or you can

1757
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 2: get the people being really respectful. What we had was

1758
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 2: girl Spence being a straight gangster saying Sean, look, we're

1759
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 2: friends or whatever. That's fine, but I'm faster than you,

1760
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:07,760
Speaker 2: I'm stronger than you, I got more dog than you.

1761
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna walk you down. I'm gonna knock your ass out.

1762
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 2: And it was just real. It was in your face

1763
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 2: and I had a little bit of chills on the

1764
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:16,600
Speaker 2: set and it kind of fuels the overall storyline in

1765
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 2: this fight is Sean Port is super elite, but Spence

1766
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 2: may actually be better than him.

1767
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 1: In every single let mass a question, so the camera

1768
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:24,720
Speaker 1: stops rolling, do they have to be how did they

1769
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: How did it when the lights came on? How did

1770
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 1: the set? Like? What happened?

1771
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:30,719
Speaker 2: We take pictures afterwards and some episodes it's still pretty chilly,

1772
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 2: if you know what I mean.

1773
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 1: So I'm saying like they didn't they didn't have to

1774
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 1: be separatedor anything.

1775
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:36,840
Speaker 2: No, not those two. We Uh, we've had let's just say,

1776
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 2: we've called security a couple of times, a couple of

1777
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 2: times in advance. There's this episode that hit the floor there,

1778
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 2: Tony Harrison episode the fight got canceled. I never saw

1779
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 2: the light to day.

1780
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 1: That was some. Uh, there was some last but not least.

1781
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 1: I'll end in a semi positive note. U S. Dana White,

1782
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 1: the UC President. Danna White told Breda Kamona that same

1783
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 1: interview aforementioned that Dana, excuse me, that BJ Penn would

1784
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 1: no longer be fighting in the UFC. Now, he didn't

1785
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 1: say exactly in the words that the UFC had cut him.

1786
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 1: He just said he wouldn't get another fight. Uh. He

1787
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 1: has said that since twenty thirteen. It's hard to know

1788
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 1: if that's real. It's course, following the two street fight

1789
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:13,639
Speaker 1: videos that have come out, one incident with two different

1790
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 1: periods of the same incident. But in any event, it's

1791
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 1: the only call because you cannot be ethically co opted

1792
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 1: by somebody who's got some Look, it's not about being

1793
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 1: antibj Penn. It's about the guy needs some help, and

1794
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:25,679
Speaker 1: until he can get that kind of help, I don't

1795
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 1: think they put him in the octagon is probably.

1796
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 2: About being anti CTE. It's basically it.

1797
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:30,839
Speaker 1: Well, I can't make medical diagnoses.

1798
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 2: You get what I'm saying. Yes, but bizarre World. By

1799
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 2: the way, in the same week, Dana finally come around

1800
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:37,560
Speaker 2: BJ and we're getting a gangster main event in that.

1801
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:39,600
Speaker 1: Make sure that he's trying to do some of the

1802
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 1: right things.

1803
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 2: All right, Lu's got to go off the radio. We

1804
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 2: got Chuck Minnenhall coming in for the rest of the show.

1805
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 1: We got to go, all right, So appreciate you guys

1806
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 1: watching as always. Like the video, subscribe to the channel

1807
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 1: and hey, tell folks about it. We are on your

1808
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 1: podcast platforms, so go have a listen in the air

1809
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 1: bad podcast. The answer is right, it's on podcast. Okay,

1810
01:13:57,479 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 1: all right for Brian Campbell, I'm Luke Thomas. Until next time,

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Speaker 1: all of your gains, be loyal