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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class from how

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Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Tracy V. Wilson and I'm Holly Frying. And they

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Speaker 1: were going to talk about Charlie park First, he was

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Speaker 1: a stagecoach whip who spent almost twenty years handling teams

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Speaker 1: of horses over treacherous to reign at very high speeds.

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Speaker 1: And then after his death in eighteen seventy nine, his

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Speaker 1: friends who came to lay out his body discovered that

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Speaker 1: he was anatomically female. And a note about the pronouns,

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Speaker 1: because Charlie presented himself for his whole life as a man,

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Speaker 1: were going to use masculine pronouns when talking about him.

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Speaker 1: That seems fair to me. Yes. Charlie was born in Lebanon,

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Speaker 1: New Hampshire, in eighteen twelve and was probably named Charlotte

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Speaker 1: Darky Parkhurst. This is almost universally cited as true, but

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Speaker 1: that name isn't really documented anywhere. It's also not clear

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Speaker 1: what happened to Charlie's family, but he lived in an orphanage,

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Speaker 1: probably either in New Hampshire or Massachusetts, until escaping dressed

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Speaker 1: as a boy at age ten. It probably would not

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Speaker 1: have taken much to make this work at the time,

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Speaker 1: especially in that kind of institutional setting. Boys and girls

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Speaker 1: would have been wearing similar clothing, probably overalls, and everyone's

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Speaker 1: hair probably would have been cut short for the sake

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Speaker 1: of both maintenance and louse control. Charlie's work with horses

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Speaker 1: started right away. He got a job as a stable

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Speaker 1: boy for a man named ebenee'z or Balch in Worcester, Massachusetts.

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Speaker 1: In in addition to mucking out the stalls, feeding and

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Speaker 1: grooming the horses, he started to learn how to handle

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Speaker 1: teams of horses, and when Ebene's removed to Providence, Charlie

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Speaker 1: went with him. Charlie's training as a driver started with

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Speaker 1: the one horse buggy, and he worked his way up

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Speaker 1: to handling teams at six horses, which is a little

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Speaker 1: difficult actually. That is a lot of animal to be

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Speaker 1: in control of, and horses are very large and they

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Speaker 1: don't always realize how large and powerful they are, so

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Speaker 1: handling it a team of six required a lot of

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Speaker 1: that was known at the time as a whip uh

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Speaker 1: and in Providence he became a very popular driver to

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Speaker 1: carry people to balls and other social events. But after

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Speaker 1: a while Charlie moved south and he worked in a

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Speaker 1: number of other states, including Georgia and Iowa. But all

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Speaker 1: the while continuing is a stage coach whip. So let's

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about stage coach life for a minute,

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Speaker 1: all right. So the stage coach made its debut in

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Speaker 1: England in the mid seventeenth century. By the nineteenth century,

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Speaker 1: stage coaches were the primary way to travel long distances

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Speaker 1: in the United States and parts of Europe. They continued

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Speaker 1: a long distance until they were gradually overtaken by rail roads.

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Speaker 1: And while the railroads were being built, stage coaches would

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Speaker 1: still carry people from the end of the line to

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Speaker 1: the less accessible areas. And as we said, driving a

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Speaker 1: stage coach was really, you know, quite a job. It

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Speaker 1: was very demanding. Stagecoach drivers had to be able to

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Speaker 1: deal with both the horses and the coaches, along with passengers, mail,

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Speaker 1: any other cargo they were carrying, and all of the

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Speaker 1: myriad of threats that would reveal themselves, including wild animals

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Speaker 1: and outlaws and everything in between. So if you think

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Speaker 1: of those things you've seen in westerns or on Little

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Speaker 1: attacks from people of all sorts, those things all really

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Speaker 1: Um stage coach driving was also physically grueling. One of

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Speaker 1: Even on coaches that were outfitted with springs and suspensions,

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Speaker 1: his time as a whip, including Mountain, cock eyed, and

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Speaker 1: He was kicked in the face by a horse he

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Speaker 1: account by major A and Judd, reported in the Santa

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Speaker 1: stage coach for ben Holiday of Council Bluffs, Iowa, where

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Speaker 1: Judd made this report long after Charlie's death and the

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Speaker 1: discovery of his biological sex. There were perhaps fifty applicants

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Speaker 1: It may be somewhat apocryphal, but Charlie worked that job

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Speaker 1: Charlie as a heat. In eighteen fifty one, Charlie moved

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Speaker 1: There there are two astonishing things about this, uh, this

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Speaker 1: This was a lifelong living as a gender different from

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Speaker 1: Historical Association, quote Charlie Darky Parkhurst eighteen twelve to eighteen

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