1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in everybody to the Clay Travis 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton Show on this Wednesday, de Sember eight. 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Appreciate you being with us much to discuss. We have 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: the possibility of a war with Russia and Ukraine on 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: the horizon. We'll have somebody from the ground out there 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: in Ukraine joining us in just about half an hour 8 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: or so to talk about is this really a possibility. 9 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: Could we see a full scale military conflict. Could it 10 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: be a limited incourasion to see some territory? Is it 11 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: a bluff to get concessions. We'll go through all that 12 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: stuff with somebody who's been covering Ukraine and the conflict 13 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: there for years now, Nolan Peterson. We also have the 14 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: possibility of six shots now on the horizon, to be 15 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: fully vaccent the possibility it has not been. Fauci has 16 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: said they're definitely moving fully vaccented to three shots. I mean, 17 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: we've all known that for a while. We'll get to 18 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: this what this means. But also the Fiser CEO says, yeah, well, 19 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: if we have to do a new a look at that, 20 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: isn't that so convenient. We have to do a new 21 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: vaccine for the only Kron variant, and I guess we 22 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: can expect a vaccine every year for whatever the next 23 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: variant is. It will be three additional shots. I can 24 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: do the basic math on this when three plus three 25 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: equals six shots, or else you're a bad person who 26 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: wants old people to die. That's what they will be 27 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: saying if we go in that direction. But I want 28 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: to start today. I mean, Clay and I've been texting 29 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: back and forth and with the team here just about 30 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: the numbers are staggering. To put this in proper context, 31 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: Let's understand that twenty twenty was a terrible year for 32 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: violence in American cities, and it really only happened from June, 33 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: interestingly enough, until the end of that year until the 34 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: November election in December, so only a half a year. 35 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: You had lockdowns, and then you had in June, all 36 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: of a sudden, this explosion of violence that occurred in cities. 37 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, there were more shootings, almost like 38 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: it coincided somewhat with the anti police narrative, the rise 39 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: of BLM and Democrat prosecutors, progressive prosecutors having a much 40 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 1: freer hand to do whatever they want, which means go 41 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 1: soft on criminals. But we have actually seen, now, Clay, 42 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: an increase over that year in a lot of cities, 43 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: such that not only was twenty twenty a bad year, 44 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one already We're only on the eighth of December. 45 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:38,399 Speaker 1: Now twenty twenty one is in fact a year of 46 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: a dozen or so major cities, about twelve so far 47 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 1: major cities have set their all time homicide records all time, folks. 48 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: All right, just to give your sense of some of 49 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: these numbers, and Clay, we got to dive into why 50 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 1: this is happening. Philadelphia, which has one point five million people, 51 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: so less than a quarter of New York City. Philadelphia 52 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: has five hundred and twenty one murders as of this week. 53 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: All Right, New York, which is much largerly has four 54 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: hundred and forty three. You go to other cities, though, 55 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: Chicago has seven hundred and thirty nine homicides as of 56 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: the end of November, which is up three percent from 57 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, which was a very high year from the 58 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: year before that, although actually the highest ever in Chicago 59 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: was nineteen seventy, where there were nine hundred and seventy 60 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: four homicides, back when Libbs thought that crime was a 61 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: social problem and let's not punish people too much. But 62 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: other cities Saint Paul, Minnesota, Portland, Oregon, Tucson, Arizona, Toledo, Ohio, Baton, Rouge, Louisiana, Austin, Texas, Rochester, 63 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: New York, Albuquerque, New Mexico, Clay. This is pandemonium on 64 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: the homicide front. We're on in a lot of these cities. 65 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: Looking at this list, Columbus, Ohio, Indianapolis, Indiana, Philly, as 66 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier, Austin, Texas, Louisville, Kentucky. One of the 67 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: cities where we're number one, Albuquerque, New Mexico. What you're 68 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: seeing is buck All over the nation, we are seeing 69 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: record highs in twenty twenty one. Remember this is still 70 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: with a month left. Effectively in the entire year, we're 71 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: seeing record high murder rates. And what we were told, 72 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: the lie that we were told was that twenty twenty 73 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: was going to be an outlier year because of what COVID, right, 74 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: That's what they tried to sell was. Even as you 75 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: point out, the numbers were actually down quite a bit 76 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: until the Black Lives Matter protests started in the wake 77 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: of the George Floyd case, and then the murder rates 78 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: skyrocketed all over the country. And what's interesting about all 79 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: these cities, Buck, is it's the width and breadth and 80 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: length of the entire United States. You can't point to 81 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: one particular region or one particular city and say, oh, 82 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: the reason why this is going on here, there's a 83 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: unique calculus associated with the murder rate here. No, it's 84 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: skyrocketing all over the country. Remember last year nearly a 85 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: thirty percent increase, the largest single year increase on record 86 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: and recorded FBI history. And now many of these cities 87 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: are going to be up again from next year. And 88 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: the answer is defund the police is the dumbest single 89 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: argument I believe in the twenty first century, and I 90 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: think we have to keep hammering this home. The overwhelming 91 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: number of victims here are minority inner city residents. Black 92 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: Lives Matter has led to the protest and the attack 93 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: on policing in our cities has led to the largest 94 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: number of black lives being lost in a year to 95 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: year and a couple of year year relative to past history, 96 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: of all time. The irony here is staggering. It is uncomfortable, 97 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: and it's so uncomfortable, in fact, buck that almost no 98 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: one will discuss it. People don't want to even have 99 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: a conversation about the reason why the murder rate is up. 100 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: And it's directly connected to Black Lives Matter. It's also 101 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: connected to the progressive prosecutors who have been installed in 102 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: many cities across the country. Black Lives Matter Clay, as 103 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 1: we know, had many effects, negative effects, Let's be honest 104 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: about it, including changing the political climate nationally. And we 105 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: got to be honest Republicans. There was a moment there 106 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: June July, some people on the right, we're even saying, oh, 107 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: maybe we need a little more criminal justice reform or something. 108 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: There was this moment of we're going to appease as 109 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: the mobs are out in the street, as they're tearing 110 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: down statues, as they're breaking things and looting. It right there, 111 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna say it, as much as I love 112 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: President Trump's policies and did so much great stuff, there 113 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: was about a four to six week period where the movement, 114 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: so to speak, was able to go really largely unopposed 115 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: on media. Everyone was running scared and President Trump, I 116 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: think was trying to right the ship, but they gained 117 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: a lot of grounds. So with the progressive prosecutors, for example, 118 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: they were able to continue to push for some of 119 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: the things, some of the bail reform loss staff and 120 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: really just understand it's the day to day prosecutorial decision 121 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: that drives so much to this. Oh, we got a 122 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: guy found with an a legal firearm who's already gotten 123 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: you know, three domestic violence convictions too, you know, two 124 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: robbery convictions and a burglary conviction. But Clay, do we 125 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: really want to throw them in jail for a few 126 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: years for a firearms charge. Let's save that for somebody 127 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: who crosses you know, state lines accidentally with their concealed 128 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: carry permit, you know, who's never had a criminal infraction 129 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: in their life. Right, this is the mentality of the 130 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: left that actually happened to somebody who's a Pennsylvania resident 131 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: crossed over to New Jersey by the way, years ago, 132 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: as a pretty well known case. Those decisions have enormous ramifications. 133 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: The decision to let people out and to not punish 134 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: people strongly for the violations. I mean, they're going below. 135 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: They want to get rid of course, mandatory minimums a 136 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: lot of time. It's another thing. They always attacked Clay. 137 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: They want to have the jug have the discretion. Well, 138 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: prosecutors have even more discretion because they can decide, well, 139 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: we're only going to go for a certain count, right, 140 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: We're not going to go for everything we can. We're 141 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: not going to try to run them consecutively. So these 142 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: are all ways to shape the criminal justice system that 143 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: result in what we are seeing. This is staggering these numbers. 144 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: What should happen? And I know we have a lot 145 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: of people out there who listen, who are working in 146 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: think tanks, who do all sorts of diving into the numbers. 147 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: The analysis that I would love to see here, Buck, 148 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: is how many what percentage of the murders, for instance, 149 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: that are being committed in these cities where the overall 150 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 1: murder rate is skyrocketing, are being committed by people with 151 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: previous violent felony convictions on their record. Because what I 152 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: believe has happened is we are letting, as you're elucidating 153 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: here people who we know are dangerous. Look at what 154 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: happened in Waukesha. The guy who killed all those innocent 155 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: people at the Christmas parade, shouldn't ever been on the streets. 156 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: I would bet seventy five percent. I bet it's seventy 157 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: five percent of the murders that are being committed right 158 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: now in our major cities are by people with previous 159 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: violent felonies on their record, who you can argue should 160 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: have never been out on the streets in the first place. 161 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: Because it's one thing to say, hey, we're going to 162 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: defund the police, and that is a failure, and it 163 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: seems like everybody's trying to walk back that idea. But 164 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: the police are arresting these guys, putting them into prison, 165 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: sometimes getting them convicted, and then they're right back out 166 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: on the streets. So what percentage I would love to 167 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 1: know of the murders, let's say, in New York City, 168 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia where they just set a record, of those 169 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: murders are being committed by people who have previously had 170 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: convictions for violent felonies and should have otherwise not been 171 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: out on the streets, because those are lives that are 172 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: being directly taken by our going too soft on crime. Remember, Clay, 173 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: there was this period in America in cinema. Right, you 174 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: and I are both both children, so to speak of 175 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: the late eighties early nineties, and we celebrate similar movies 176 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: before that, though, if you go back into the seventy 177 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: to the late seventies, remember the Charles Bronson eras and 178 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 1: the Death Wish movies and all these. The rise of 179 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: the vigilante move was also rise of urban dystopia movies 180 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,839 Speaker 1: about you know, rival gangs and all of this, and 181 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: that resonated with the American people because cities felt like 182 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: we had this term the inner city right that they 183 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,599 Speaker 1: had been abandoned to the criminals. And right now we 184 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: have our cities that feel like they're going in that 185 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: direction very rapidly, and the best the Democrats can do 186 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: is either try to ignore it, which is not going 187 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: to work. Part of this is because we have video now, right. 188 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: Everyone carries around video cameras so that we see when 189 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: AOC says something like, oh, a lot of this stuff 190 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: doesn't pan out with the retail theft. Actually, we see 191 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: all the videos of an AOC, right, So it's harder 192 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: for them to suppress it than it would have been 193 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: even twenty years ago. And people are fed up with 194 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: it because there are perception issues right there are how 195 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: do you feel on the street knowing that the store 196 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: two blocks away just got ransacked and one hundred thousand 197 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: dollars of stuff was stolen. Do you want to set 198 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: up your business, Do you want to resign your lease? 199 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: Or do you want to sell your home if you 200 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: own one. This is what is going on, and it 201 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: is directly, directly attributable to stupid ideas from democrats. I mean, 202 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: that's really the the end result of all that has 203 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: to be people realize what's going on. To build on 204 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: your point about the nineteen seventies, remember what the nineteen 205 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: eighties had was cop movies with real stars Mel Gibson, 206 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: Danny Glover, the Lethal Weapon franchise. Cops became pop culture 207 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: stars that people hope to become. I think you're starting 208 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: to see that with a show like Yellowstone, where they 209 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: have people who are in positions cop like positions and 210 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: they're just absolutely levying their own form of justice because 211 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: people feel like the criminal justice system is not doing it. 212 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see not only are cops gonna 213 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: get more funded, I think we're gonna see a rapid 214 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: swing back to cops are real heroes. I think that's 215 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: where we're heading. Who could have thought that wildlife regulators 216 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: would be such a bunch of badass. 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We're going to be 250 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: joined by Nolan Peterson here in a moment at the 251 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: bottom of the hour. He is the senior editor of 252 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: Coffee or Die magazine, and he is on the border 253 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: right now in Ukraine, which could be a really terrifying 254 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: place to be frankly, before all is said and done 255 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: here in the near future, based on what Vladimir Putin 256 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: may have in store there. But we were talking about 257 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: the overall crime rate that is going on right now 258 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: in the country, and certainly murder is a focal point 259 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: as new records are being set all over the country 260 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one after an all time high in 261 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: twenty twenty But when you actually break down what is 262 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: going on, Democrats are recognizing that they have a problem, 263 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: but they're now blaming the retailers for not doing enough 264 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: to fight organized theft, at least Chicago. Mary may More 265 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: Lightfoot is Here is her analysis of what exactly has 266 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: gone wrong in Chicago. Some of the retailers downtown in 267 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: Michigan Avenue, I will tell you I'm disappointed that they're 268 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: not doing more to take safety and make it a priority. 269 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: For example, we still have retailers that won't institute plans 270 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: like having security officers understore, locking up their merchandise at night, 271 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: chaining high end bags these purses seem to be something 272 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: that is attracting a lot of attention on these organized 273 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: retail of theft units. This is crazy. Clay Okay, yes, 274 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: this is truly blaming the victims in this case. And 275 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: can I just say I've brought this up before, even 276 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: in the little drug store on my corner, right next 277 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: to where I live, and I live in Midtown Manhattan, 278 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: which is the most crowded corridor of the entire city, 279 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: one of the most crowded places you could live in 280 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: the world. Everything you want to buy is under lock 281 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: and key, and you have to think about it. What 282 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: if somebody wants to steal, who is going to stomp them? 283 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: The security guard, even they're security guards here sometimes in 284 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: drug stores, Okay, if somebody is going to steal something, 285 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: the security guard may say hold it, or I'm going 286 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: to call the police. If you're committed to stealing, you 287 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: know they're not going to lay hands on you. They're 288 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: not going to affect some kind of a citizen's arrest 289 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: or anything else. Because in New York, I'm sure this 290 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: is true in a lot of Democrat jurisdictions. If you 291 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: get into a wrestling match with somebody who's stealing, you 292 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: may be the one that actually ends up getting prosecuted, 293 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: right all you I wasn't stealing. I was on my 294 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: way to the register. He just tackled me outside the store. 295 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: But we've profiled me. I'm a minority and he saw 296 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: me and he immediately tackled me, and he's racist. And 297 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: now I'm gonna sue and all the security guards know 298 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: what exactly he's going to go on, because, by the 299 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: way you were talking about phones earlier, oftentimes we don't 300 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: see how these altercations begin. Somebody just comes up and 301 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: starts filming twenty or thirty of seconds or a minute 302 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: into what otherwise might be going on, and the narrative 303 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: that gets put out there is that this is a 304 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: violent or racist attack that's being perpetrated by insert whatever 305 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 1: story you have here. What has happened is you saw 306 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: what happened all over Chicago where people were just walking 307 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: up for months buck and just breaking huge glass windows, 308 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: going in, looting, pillaging everything in some of the Miracle 309 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: Mile and some of the places that are the most 310 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: sought after real estate in all of Chicago. And the 311 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: police and all of law enforcement were called back and 312 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: they were told not to enforce the law. And now 313 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: Lorie Lightfoot wants to blame the retailers for being the 314 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 1: victims of this mass chaos that she's created. This is 315 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: the state having monopoly on force and turn around and 316 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: saying we're not doing our job, so you need to 317 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: do more. But that's not how it works. Actually, what 318 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: needs to happen, Senor Democrats. I know we're not going 319 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: to get Republicans in these cities anytime soon, but Senor Democrat, look, 320 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: no one's going to do this for you. It's something 321 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: you do for yourself. 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D. 340 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 1: We still do not believe that President Prutin has made 341 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: a decision. What President Biden did today was layout very 342 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: clearly the consequences if he chooses to move. He also 343 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: laid out an alternative path, an alternative path that is 344 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: fundamentally in keeping with the basic principles and propositions that 345 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: have guided America in the euro Atlantic area for the 346 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: past seventy years. And ultimately we will see in the 347 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: days ahead, through actions, not through words, what course of 348 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: action Russia chooses. Sitting I'm sure Vladimir Putin is terrified 349 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: of whatever memorandum Jake Sullivan, the National Security advisor there 350 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: for the Biden administration, is drafting up some serious sat 351 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: words going into that letter. Putin is shaken in his boots. 352 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: Is Russia going to invade Ukraine? This is going to 353 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: have big implications for a whole range of things that 354 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: will certainly affect the region and could affect us here 355 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: at home. We've got somebody who can actually answer this 356 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: question with expertise because he's out there and he's been 357 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: covering this for years on the front lines in fact, 358 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: of the conflict between Russian backed separatists in eastern Ukraine 359 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: and the Ukrainian central government. He's in Ukraine right now 360 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: with us, Nolan Peterson. He is a senior editor at 361 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: Coffee or Dime magazine and his most recent video of 362 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: volunteers were coming together with whatever gear, whatever hunting rifles 363 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: that they can on the ground in Ukraine. It's up 364 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: at clanbuck dot com. If it's an amazing video, Nolan's 365 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: got there, so go to klanbuck dot com and check 366 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: that out. Nolan, thanks for being with us, Thanks for 367 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: having me on. I appreciate it. So you've been covering 368 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: Ukraine for years, and I know this. I've been following 369 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 1: your work and the conflict there, which Russia has already 370 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: taken off Crimea. They've already bitten off that chunk, so 371 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: to speak. They've taken parts control of parts of eastern Ukraine. 372 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: But now there's concerned with a hundred thousand plus soldiers 373 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: that there could be in the weeks ahead a full 374 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: scale invasion. What do you think about this? How seriously 375 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: is it being taken by the Ukrainians You've been talking 376 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 1: to in recent days? Well, I think the Ukrainians were 377 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: probably initially skeptical about the about the possibility of a 378 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: major invasion, but I have seen in the last week, 379 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: week and a half a change in their opinion where 380 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: they are now seriously concerned that the ongoing war in 381 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: the eastern Old Bass region could escalate into a countrywide 382 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: cultigration a major invasion by Russia. I have to say, 383 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: you know, my previous profession before I was a journalist, 384 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: was as a an Air Force special operations pilot, and 385 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: I spent the lion's share of my twenties, you know, 386 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: preparing to go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan or 387 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: spending time in those countries in combat. And I always 388 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: associated war with the Middle East or some third world country. 389 00:21:55,960 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: When you walk around here in Kiev again, McDonald's restaurant, Nike, 390 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: town stores and malls just had their Black Friday sales, 391 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: even though they don't celebrate Thanksgiving here. The Christmas decorations 392 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: are growing, going up, and it feels like I'm in 393 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: the opening scenes of some World War two movie on 394 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: the eve of the Nazi invasion of Warsaw or something, 395 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 1: and it's just really hard to appreciate or contemplate the 396 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: fact that in the twenty first century worth thinking about 397 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: a major armored invasion of a European country, About the 398 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: fact that tanks might be rolling down the streets here 399 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: in Kieva, that might be air strikes in the city. 400 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: They're stalking the bomb shelters in preparations for, you know, 401 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: what could be a countrywide offensive. So it's it is serious, 402 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: and I think it's somebody who's seen many wars in 403 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: my time, you know, just the notion of being here 404 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: in a European city and contemplating a World War two 405 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 1: style invasion. It really drives home the precariousness of the 406 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 1: moment we're in and the stakes that, you know, we 407 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: need to get this right, We need to prevent this 408 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: from happening, because if Russia does invade with the full 409 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: forces it has to bear, I don't think the war 410 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: will be quarantined to Ukraine, and it could very well 411 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: spark a general war in Eastern Europe, and I think 412 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 1: that would be a war that our country would probably 413 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: no longer have the luxury of ignoring or staying out 414 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: of no. That was a really well said and descriptive 415 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: example of what it's like on the ground right now 416 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: in Ukraine. What sense and I know you interviewed people 417 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: about their willingness to fight in the event Russia invades. 418 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: What sort of resistance can Ukraine put up against Russia? 419 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: How many people in Ukraine might welcome a Russian invasion. 420 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: Give us a sense for how the nation of Ukraine 421 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: would respond in your experience or expectation to a Russian invasion. 422 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: That's a great question. So Ukraine's regular military comprises about 423 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty thousand active duty soldiers, and they've 424 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: got about nine hundred thousand reservists from which they can 425 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: draw to augment those forces in time of war, and 426 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: they have not as of now mobilize those reservists. That's 427 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: not to say that Ukraine doesn't take the credit seriously, 428 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: it's just mobilizing the reserves is a massive undertaking in 429 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: terms of the costs and also the political capital that 430 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: the Ukrainian government would have to expel not to call 431 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 1: up that many people into active duty service. Russia has 432 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: the ability likely according to recent reports of mobilizing about 433 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy five thousand troops. However, Russia's long distance, 434 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: long range fires capability massively outpowers Ukraine. So we're talking 435 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: about missiles, multiple launch rocket systems, obviously the air force, airstrikes, 436 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: and so an initial Russian attack would you know, the 437 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: predominant thinking about among many experts and also here in 438 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: Ukraine among the military officials, is that a Russian attack 439 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: would likely start off with sort of a shock and 440 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: al campaign, as you want to compare it to something 441 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 1: America does, to eliminate as much of Ukraine's regular military 442 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 1: as possible, you know, start right off the bat with 443 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: missile strikes, lunge fires, like I said, airstrikes, and then 444 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 1: after that's sort of a guessing game. What comes next 445 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: is you are the Russian forces going to try and 446 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: actually move in Ukraine with an armored invasion to take 447 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,239 Speaker 1: ground or will they just try to effectively kill as 448 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: many Ukrainian soldiers as possible to force a political capitulation 449 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: from the Ukraine government to you know, basically bring Ukraine 450 00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 1: back under Russia's fold political fold. If Russia were to 451 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: actually try to hold ground in Ukraine. I really I'm 452 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: very fearful of that possibility, because after being here for 453 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: seven and a half years, I can tell you said 454 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: the Ukrainian people are resolutely against Russia. Nolan, Can we 455 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: can we keep it? Because I want to. I want 456 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: to explore a little more with you here a few things. 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Call for detail. 495 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 1: Welcome back again, Clay Travis buck Sex to show. Let's 496 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 1: go right back to Ukraine. We are talking to Nolan Peterson, 497 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: who is on the ground there, giving us a sense 498 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,919 Speaker 1: for what that country is like right now erie times, 499 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: as potentially Russia prepares to invade Ukraine. We've got a 500 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: lot of people out there listening to us, Nolan, a 501 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: lot of military veterans, a lot of people who are 502 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: currently in the military, but also tons of civilians. Why 503 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: should Americans care about what happens between Russia and Ukraine? 504 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: Paint the picture all right. We'll give you two answers 505 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: to that question. The first is related to what I 506 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: witnessed thought the year as a report on this war, 507 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: and that is, in twenty fourteen, I saw for myself 508 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: a tank battle outside the city of Mariouble, a tank 509 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: battle in twenty fourteen, in our time, in a European country, 510 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: and it really impressed upon me the fact that, you know, 511 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: the idea that world wars are over is a fiction, 512 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: and we're a naive to think that it cannot happen again. 513 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: And so I would say that we have to be 514 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: vigilant to not let this war escalate to the point 515 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: that it sparks a general war in Eastern Europe which 516 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: could spread throughout the continent and then draws the United 517 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: States and eventually in a conflict with Russia. The war 518 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: should end here, it should end in Ukraine, and we 519 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: do everything we can to stop it from escalating to 520 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: a conflict that spreads throughout the review Nolan, what does that? 521 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: What does that look like? I mean, just on the 522 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: ground there from your perspective, what would you want to 523 00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: see the Biden administration right now? Do? Okay? Well, the 524 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: second thing is Ukrainians are willing to fight for their freedom, 525 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: unlike the people in Afghanistan and Iraq, who we sort 526 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: of forced the idea of democracy and freedom upon. I worry, however, 527 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: that you know, this war has been going on for 528 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: seven and a half years now. In fourteen, Russian forces 529 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: invaded Ukrainemia and they invaded in an unconventional invasion of 530 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: Ukraine's eastern don Boss region. And so for seven and 531 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: a half years we've you know, we've very sort of 532 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: temptedly given Ukraine military aid. And it was under President 533 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: Trump that Unite States finally gave lethal weapons to javel 534 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: and anti tank messals to Ukraine. But I fear that 535 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: the time has already passed for the United States to 536 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: give Ukraine the kind of aid it would need to 537 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: deter a full scale invasion. Right, we've helped them the 538 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: war that don't boss is a trench war, snipers, artillery, 539 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: drone attacks. No, we've given them things that help in 540 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: that war, counter battery radars, the ability to fire back 541 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: against daily shelling and whatnot. But the ability to defend 542 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: against the major Russian invasion includes things like surfaced air missile, 543 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: defensive surfaced air missiles and things like that to deter 544 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: or to deter to defend against you know, long range fires, 545 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: missile strikes, air strikes, that sort of thing. So at 546 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: this point, you know, I think that we should just 547 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: be hopeful that the current crisis passes, move forward on 548 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: giving Ukraine things that it can use to defend itself, 549 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: not attack, but defend itself from a major Russian attack, 550 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: and then for now just make it as clear as 551 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: possible that obviously it is not an America's interest. I mean, 552 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: it's clear that we're not going to send ground truths 553 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: to Ukraine to defend Ukraine. But we should make it 554 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: clear that we will do leverage every economic tool we 555 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: have to punish Russia. I think that it is worries 556 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: somehowever that you know, you know, yesterday they're talking about 557 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: all these new sanctions they're going to put on Russia 558 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: and whatnot if Russia invades. But the EU gets fifty 559 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: percent of its natural gas from Russia, and we're going 560 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: into the dead of winter, and I personally have doubts 561 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: about the resolve of the EU to levy very harsh 562 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: new sanctions against Russia, knowing that you know, they have 563 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: an energy crisis ongoing in Europe right now. Will Europe 564 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: be willing or have the courage to stand by America 565 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: to enact those tough sanctions should Russia and they That's 566 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: an unknown and that brings I think us to this 567 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: potential of a wider war, and that is there's a 568 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: cleave east west in Europe, within NATO and the EU, 569 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: between the Baltic states, in Poland, countries that have living 570 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: memories of Soviet oppression, you know, decades of you know, 571 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: the KGB and mass murders and vote words they take 572 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: the Russian threat as an existential threat to their sovereignty, 573 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: their freedom, and their way of life, their democratic way 574 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: of life. And so I fear that if there is 575 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: a major Russian invasion of Ukraine, those NATO and EU 576 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: countries in this region may not wait for orders from 577 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: Washington or Brussels or Berlin or Paris to intervene and 578 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: what they might see as an existential threat against their countries. 579 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: And if that happens, if you do see countries deciding 580 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: that they need to get involved, then you know you're 581 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: talking about forgive sort of the corny expression, but that 582 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: Fronz Ferdinand moment that sort of starts a cascading series 583 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: of events that we cannot arrest and that could lead 584 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,719 Speaker 1: to catastrophe. We're speaking to Nolan Peterson, senior editor at 585 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: Coffee or Die magazine and a veteran himself, who is 586 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: in Ukraine right now. So if you hear a delay 587 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: for a second, folks, because he is on the the 588 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: other side of the world and he's been covering Ukraine 589 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: four years. And Nolan, you mentioned some of the other 590 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: countries in the region, Poland, the Baltic States, places that 591 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: have all too clear a history and a memory of 592 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,239 Speaker 1: what it was like under the Soviet era. What are 593 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: they doing and what will they call for? You think 594 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: if there is even a limited Russian incursion into Ukraine, 595 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: well you're already seeing just today Lithuania sent shipments of 596 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: ballistic body armor and whatnot to Ukraine to I think 597 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: more of a sign of solidarity than anything. Ukraine produces 598 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: plenty of weapons and military gear, but I think they're 599 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: demonstrating their support. But you know, I think when you 600 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: look at the for example of the recent Belarus border crisis, right, 601 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: you see a militarization of NATO's eastern frontier along the 602 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: borders with Belarus in Poland, Labvia Lithuania. That is really 603 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: unprecedented for our time. And by the way, you had 604 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,320 Speaker 1: Russian nuclear capable war planes flying near that border region 605 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 1: at the same time, so their tensions are extraordinarily high. 606 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: And I obviously if you have one hundred and seventy 607 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,320 Speaker 1: five thousand Russian troops pouring in Ukraine which borders Poland, 608 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that's that's that is that 609 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 1: that question mark because like I said, that from Certinam scenario, 610 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 1: and it's up to those those countries may perceive it's 611 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: in their best interest to do something about it, whether 612 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,399 Speaker 1: that's sending massive amounts of hardware Ukraine. Maybe there will 613 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 1: be civilian volunteer fighters, which I highly suspect will be 614 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: a possibility. You'll probably see civilian volunteers coming from those 615 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: countries to support Ukraine. One of those countries will send 616 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: sposial operations forces on it. It's all speculation at this point, 617 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: but I think the overarching message should be that should 618 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: Russia invade, you're kickstarting a series of events that are 619 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: out of everybody's control. Seconds. Here're sorry to cut you off, 620 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 1: but what's the time frame when will this happen? In 621 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 1: your mind, this invasion, if it's going to happen, for 622 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: Russia has the forces in place to execute immediately if 623 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: they so choose. I suspect that if the Kremlin has 624 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,439 Speaker 1: decided that they are going to invade, it will most 625 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 1: likely happen this winter. I say January February. The reason 626 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,800 Speaker 1: being that during the winter is when Russia has the 627 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,399 Speaker 1: most leverage over the EU. The EU as far as 628 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: gas supplies Russia. Like I said, the EU gets about 629 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: half the natural gas from Russia. If Russia the EU 630 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: wants to put sanctions on Russi. Russia to stay all right. 631 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: We turned the gas off and suddenly you get people 632 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: freezing in their apartments in Paris. Look man, stay safe. 633 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 1: We'll have you back to talk more about this as 634 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: it gets closer. Thank you for joining us. 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