1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: The volume The Colin Cowherd Podcast brought to you by 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. It's never been easier to play fantasy on 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. Whether you love basketball, golf, soccer, or any 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: fantasy sport, there is a contest for every fan Fan 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. Hi, everybody, and welcome to 6 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: my Wednesday morning podcast. We have over the last couple 7 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: of days pivoted a little bit into more NBA, but 8 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: it is still an NFL world. And my guest today 9 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: as my friend John Middelcoff, who was a former NFL 10 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: scout who I years ago started following on social media 11 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: and he had a lot of information, some of it 12 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,959 Speaker 1: a large percentage of it seemed to kind of align 13 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: with a lot of my sources, and I thought, this 14 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: guy is really well connected because I know how hard 15 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 1: I work on stuff. And then he was a Bay 16 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: Area broadcaster and he became available a couple of years ago, 17 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: so I said, I'm I'm gonna put him on the 18 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: Herd podcast network. We did, and he gets over a 19 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: million lessons a month. He's terrific. He's got a real 20 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: Bay Area understanding, and well beyond that, I want to 21 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: start John with this, so the reality of John Gruden 22 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: last nine years coaching, he didn't have a playoff win. 23 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: The branding of John Gruden is that he's a genius. 24 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: So you're sitting there watching every movie makes their last 25 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: two first round picks look like reaches. They've deteriorated badly 26 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: post Thanksgiving, which is always a concerning sign. Most great 27 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: coaches teams get better after Thanksgiving. They're wildly inconsistent. They 28 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: still haven't really solved their defensive problems. When do we 29 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: look at Gruden and say, you know what, maybe just 30 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,839 Speaker 1: not that good of a coach and maybe this isn't working. Yeah, 31 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 1: I mean I think we say that right now, Colin. 32 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: I think it's been when you factor in the money 33 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: and the hype, and I'm listening, I'm someone that kind 34 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: of bought into the hype. I thought they were getting 35 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: like this Parcelsian offensive guy, and this guy was gonna 36 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: come in with his big personality, owned the room and 37 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: just kind of I wouldn't say owned the league, but 38 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: just kind of had be a big presence in the NFL. 39 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: And it's been the opposite. Right right when he got there, 40 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: he traded a generational player in Khalil Mack traded to 41 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: Marie Cooper. I mean, both those guys are really good 42 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: their picks and really the GM of Gruden. And I 43 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: know technically he's not the GM and Mayok or Mayok 44 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: is right now, but Gruden's the boss and a disaster 45 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: in the draft beside really a couple of players. I mean, 46 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: they have whiffed on guys. And I think the biggest 47 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: issue he has is like, what's his football philosophy? He's 48 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: actually sneaky, really conservative. He kicks field goals a terrible times. 49 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: His defense is his defense last year was like historically poor, right, 50 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: And I give him something. He got Derek Carr playing well, 51 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 1: but Derek, and you've been on this from a long time, 52 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: had played well before. So it's not like Derek came 53 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: out of nowhere. He was competing to win the MVP. 54 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: It's weird he drafts really high character guys and then 55 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: he'll sign like the guy they just got arrested the 56 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: other day was the player from Seattle that snuck the 57 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: girl in wearing a Seattle uniform to the hotel, and 58 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: that that just screams the Raiders, like, John, what are 59 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: you doing? I know, Mayock and definitely I know a 60 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: lot of people that know him really well that is 61 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: not a Mike Mayock type player. That to me is Gruden. 62 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: Now Davis, what are they? It feels like Gruden doesn't 63 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: have a direction and he doesn't have really a core philosophy. 64 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: And I think it all kind of stems back to 65 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: he's very, very impatient. And I think the best coaches, 66 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: and I know, you know, coach read, but even just 67 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: being around Urban or Sabin or Belichick, they have a division, 68 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: a big picture. They can see, you know, a day ahead, 69 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: a six months ahead, three years ahead. It feels like 70 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: Gruden kind of lives, you know, hour to hour, day 71 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: to day, and that that gets you in trouble in 72 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: especially in the modern day NFL. And I think if 73 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: you go back to when he was crushing it with 74 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: the Raiders, when we really became a star right in 75 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: the late nineties, Al Davis hadn't lost it quite yet, 76 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: and Al was the boss. Al was picking the players, 77 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: and I think Al really helped John out. And once 78 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: John got traded for you know, his coach for multiple 79 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: first rounders money, he's been the boss ever since. And 80 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: it is not gone well well. The three coaches with 81 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: the most power right now are Belichick, Pete Carroll since 82 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: Paul Allen died, in John Gruden. I don't think it's 83 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: a coincidence all three draft poorly, Belichick and the Raiders. 84 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: It's not debatable. Seattle has some hits, but a lot 85 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: of missus. And I think Gruden, Belichick, and Pete Carroll 86 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: sometimes go uncontested sometimes. You know, Belichick, I've been told 87 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: by numerous sources in mid January tells everybody, I got 88 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: it from here, I got the draft from here. Pete 89 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: Carroll since Paul Allen died, who contests him? I mean 90 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: John Snyder was going to leave because Detroit was gonna 91 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,239 Speaker 1: give him personnel power. He doesn't have power right now. 92 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: And I think I think the same thing with Gruden. 93 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: He's lost his way. Let's get character guys, and then 94 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: he gets Richie Incognito. Yeah, And I you know, I 95 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: think the thing with Gruden, and you see this a lot. 96 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: I think his brand. I think he's a magnetic personality, 97 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: and I think he's likable and I think that matters, 98 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: and I think it's a lot. I think it's easy 99 00:05:55,400 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: to be you know, there's that you know, I wouldn't 100 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 1: say Trumpian, but they're magnetism. He's got something, he's got 101 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: a special quality to him, and he's great at it. 102 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: I mean, he's one of the more unique personalities I'd 103 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: say in my sporting lifetime. That's why he transitioned to 104 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: broadcasting so well. But I think there are a lot 105 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: of guys in the NFL, like I think we've talked 106 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: about Tomlin forever that could make the transition. And we 107 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: can nitpick Tomlin all we want, but he'd run circles 108 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: around John just in terms of running an operation, being 109 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: able to handle the big and small picture. I think 110 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: Sean Payton's a guy that's a pretty big personality now 111 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: big ego that balances out pretty well. I also think 112 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: it's it's hard when you he didn't coach for a decade, 113 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: and I thought you were wrong on your take of 114 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: no one leaves an industry for a decade that's that 115 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 1: competitive and comes back and just hits the ground running. 116 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: And he nailed that one. He got paid one hundred 117 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: million dollars and he was gone ten years. You know, 118 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: there gets to a level of why would he not believe? 119 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: And I'm sure we'll talk about Carson Wentz. Why would 120 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz not believe he just checks his bank account. 121 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: Gruden just checks his bank account. But no one's making 122 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: that type of money. He's been making huge money for 123 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: twenty years. Why why would he not think he's smarter 124 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: than everyone else. I'm not saying money should define that, 125 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: but we're all humans. He sees this. He had people 126 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: begging him right for basically half that decade, at least, 127 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: all the top college programs, NFL programs, right. Remember, the 128 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: cults were trying to get them and he was constantly 129 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: turning them down. So why would he not believe in 130 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: his heart of hearts that he's smarter than everyone else? Yeah, 131 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: and I've been told it's really that's not his deal. 132 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: He's not some intellectual like Belichick. He's a hard worker 133 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: like the reason and Andy would tell you the same 134 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: thing about him. The reason they get there at the 135 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: crack of dawn is because, in a weird way, they're 136 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: like insecured about their intelligence relative others. So they got 137 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: outwork them and outwork them, outwork them. But I think 138 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: Andy is a great example of someone that can really 139 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: kind of put his ego at the backburner, and he's 140 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: done that in Kansas City and had a lot of 141 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: success because he lets other people pick the players. Where 142 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: with the Raiders, I'd say Gruden's ego is leading the 143 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: charge at basically everything they do. Let's stay in the 144 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: Bay Area with San Francisco. Listen. I would be petrified 145 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: of Jimmy Garoppolo's health too, but this organization is stunk 146 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: when he doesn't start. And I have a hard time 147 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: believing Kyle Shanahan wants to go in a division with Stafford, 148 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and Kyler Murray with a rookie, I just 149 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: can't buy it. I think there's a reason the stories 150 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: are leaking, the anti Garoppolo stories are leaking. Either they 151 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: want him to work harder the rehab. He's not as 152 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: intense as they'd like. I just think Kyle Shanahan's too 153 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: smart to think he can win with a rookie. That's 154 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: my takeaway. What's yours, Well, I think it's never been 155 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: easier to win with a rookie, and we've learned that. 156 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: I'd say the last several years of guys just the 157 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: way the offenses and the way quarterbacks are treated in 158 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: terms you can't hit them. Guys wide receivers are wide open, 159 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: so I think Kyle would be open minded to that. Now. 160 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: His offense is notoriously very very difficult, you know, to learn, 161 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: and it takes time. I think we're there at right now. 162 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: And the stories you're hearing are more based on you know, 163 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: they didn't land Stafford. They probably don't think they can 164 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: get to Shaun Wattson the Darnold, you might as well 165 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: just keep Jimmy instead of going after Darnold. I mean, 166 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: what's the difference. I mean, Jimmy's already proven way more 167 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: so you might as well prop Jimmy up in case 168 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: you've got to go into the draft and you're not 169 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: in control of the draft right you're drafting twelve. Who 170 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: knows if the guy that Kyle really wants they can 171 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: get up in the top five or top six to 172 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: get so you just kind of come to grips with 173 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo might be the quarterback. I had heard things 174 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: that every guy in the Niners last year. I mean, 175 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: we know they had just an injury riddle team right there, 176 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: I'd say the part and soul of the team is 177 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: George Kittle. He had a broken foot in the middle 178 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: of the year after he got injured the first game 179 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: because Jimmy overthrew him, but he was begging to come back, 180 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: and they got kicked out of the state of California. 181 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: It was a disaster. There was no reason to come back. 182 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: But as Kyle said, like how could I mean, I've 183 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 1: set this tone with all these guys on the team. 184 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo had an injury that multiple guys on the 185 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: team came back from with an angle sprain, and Jimmy's 186 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: up there taking notes and it was just, you know, 187 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if they love the hole, not just 188 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 1: the optics of it, but the reality of the situation, 189 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: like he's not now there wasn't anything to play for. 190 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: And Richard Truman, for example, like he didn't come back, 191 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: but everyone understood he's gonna be a free agent. But like, Jimmy, 192 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: are you the guy here? Because George Kittle, he doesn't care, 193 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: Like you know, he came storming back. Jimmy's not a 194 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: dependable player when he's healthy. If you told me next 195 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: year Jimmy Garoppolo gives him sixteen games, I'll be like 196 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: they're a lock to be in the playoffs. Kyle is 197 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: too good, right, he's had two of his last three years, 198 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: he's missed seventy percent of the games. Colin. I mean, 199 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: if if Seattle of Tampa Green Bay, your team's done right, 200 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 1: you have no shot. If your quarterback's missing that you're 201 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: usually out of the playoffs. Of your quarterback miss a month, 202 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: let alone seventy percent of the games and combined two seasons. 203 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: So I have a hard time just depending on the player. 204 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: And I'm not say I think he's a tough guy, 205 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: but I don't think for whatever reason, and you know, 206 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 1: you've been falling sports longer than me, some guys get hurt, 207 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: some guys don't. Yeah, he got He got hurt in 208 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: New England. Remember second start when Tom was suspended. He 209 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: hurt pretty quickly with the Niners a second year, and 210 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: then he got hurt again this year multiple times. So 211 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: I just I have a hard time with just depending 212 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: on the player. Well, I love your story about an 213 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: injury he could have come back from. That's really interesting 214 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: because there is a certain there were rumblings just that 215 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: it's just you know, it's just because George. George was begging, right, 216 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: It's why people love George because they know, like there's 217 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: no right, he's all in. It's a badge of honor 218 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: to play hurt in the NFL. 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Let me throw this out to 243 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: you on a scout's perspective, because John Middlecoff's our guest 244 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: and he's a former NFL scout. Cultures change all the time. 245 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: In the NFL, it's much more of a wide receiver 246 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: league than a running back league. It feels like that 247 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: much more than the seventies eighties. Everybody always has wanted 248 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: pass rushers. It's more quarterback wide receiver, pass rusher driven. 249 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: One of these quarterbacks will bust. That's the way it works. 250 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: It doesn't. Probably probably multiple of them. That's right, two 251 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: of the four of them. So Josh Rosen, Johnny manziel 252 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: ej Manuel Paxton Lynch like it happens. Yeah, do you trust? 253 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: I said this a couple days ago. Matt Jones leads 254 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: every game, plays with a lead, plays with a great 255 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: running game, throws to wide open receivers, always has the 256 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: better coach. There is no reason for me to believe 257 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: that if two of the Golden Child appears to be 258 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: a little bit of a whip in Miami, wouldn't you 259 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: be at least concerned that the life Mac Jones leads 260 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: at Alabama is not an NFL life. There's nothing, nothing, 261 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: That's why most of these NFL quarterbacks went to cal 262 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 1: Nz State, Miami of Ohio, Boston College. Like, there are 263 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: so many red flags on Mac Jones that he's literally 264 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: playing at a high school football power, and eight of 265 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: the nine games he's got significantly better talent. I think 266 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: it's fair to say that he might have been playing 267 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: on an All Star team. Yeah. I think if you 268 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: reverse it, If you reversed it to Tua, his team 269 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: was dramatically better two as was because you had four 270 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: wide receivers, the two this year and then the two 271 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: last year. I have to do a deep study here, 272 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: but it might be the only program in NFL history 273 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: to have a back to back season where two guys 274 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: get drafted in the top fifteen both years at wide receiver. 275 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: Four wide receivers top fifteen picks two have played at 276 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: all four of them. This guy played with two of 277 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: them and really half the year played with one of 278 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: them because Waddle got hurt, right. I actually I'm kind 279 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: of coming around on mac Jones. I mean, you see 280 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: these statements. I had a buddy in the SEC that 281 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: whenever I ask them about players, I mean just the 282 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: scout and me always ask sometimes about the person, like 283 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: what do they say about the guy? And DeVante Smith, 284 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: all four of those guys, Rugs, Waddle, Judy and Smith 285 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: were all really high football They're all really highly well 286 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: liked and would be considered like high character guys in 287 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: the NFL. DeVante Smith was the cream of the crop 288 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: of the group. And that comment that came out with 289 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: Albert Berg's article that he immediately saved mac Jones. And 290 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: you can say all you want, like, oh, recency bias. 291 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: He played two years with Tua. He spent more time 292 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: with Tuah than he did Mac, and I think there's 293 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: something to that, and you start listen. The league is 294 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: changing more athletic, right because the offensive lineman coming to 295 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: the league at the same time are not coming in 296 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: at the same speed as the defensive lineman. So there's 297 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: a supply and demand. There's more defensive lineman, the more 298 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: offensive Lineman. It's just you got to be able to 299 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: move because to avoid the pass rush. But I still 300 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: think if you're a great pocket quarterback, you can succeed 301 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: in the NFL. And what if I told you that 302 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: if mac Jones had been at like part of like 303 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: looking back, like Matt Ryan right was at Boston College, 304 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: they weren't any good and it was clear like this 305 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: guy's pretty good. Would Mac Jones have look like that? 306 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: I think that's what all these teams right now in 307 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: these meetings that they're having throughout the league or asking 308 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: themselves because it needs to be Like at Alabama, we 309 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: know he's playing with two top fifteen wide receivers and 310 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: Naji Harris, who kind of elevated his stock probably you know, 311 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: fivefold this year. Is not gonna be a borderline first 312 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: round pick. It's hard to evaluate because he's throwing to 313 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: get their kicking everyone's butt. They got the best coach. 314 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: I think he's pretty good, Colin. And then to me, 315 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: when you factor in the character and these players on 316 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: the team just singing his praises, that that means something. 317 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: I know it means something to me, but I know 318 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: what it means to the GM and the coaches, it 319 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: means a lot. I think there's a chance that he's 320 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: going to be highly more highly viewed than not. He's 321 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: not gonna get drafted higher than tah but I think 322 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: now with MMQB us able to kind of look back 323 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: hindsight at Tua, it might benefit mac Jones in a 324 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: weird way. Yeah, it was funny. I was a toa 325 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: guy and then right before he played, I went on 326 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: the I did about a ten minute segment. I said, 327 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: I have huge concerns and my concerns. I'd thought a 328 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: lot about this, and I'd see practice footage and I 329 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 1: had read reports, and I said, there's no it there. 330 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: You know, he had a very controlling father, a very 331 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: controlling high school football coach, a very controlling college football coach. 332 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: And I thought, and now he's got a defensive coach 333 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: in the NFL, And I kept going back to he's 334 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: never really been allowed to let it loose. You can't 335 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: really let it loose for the first time in the NFL. 336 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: He You know, when I watch him, John Tua looks controlled. 337 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: That's his DNA, that's what his dad, the high school, 338 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: the college, he has got ten years of that in 339 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 1: his ear. He plays it overly safe. He feels he 340 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: feels like he plays not to make a mistake, which 341 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: is kind of the opposite of Burrow, who was really 342 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: a let it rip kid. And I look at Tuah today, John, 343 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: and I think, I don't think it works. I don't 344 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: think it does well. And think about this year the 345 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: two times, like the evidence is in, right, you can 346 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: we have any opinion we want. Any fan can have 347 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: any opinion they want. Miami Dolphins were paid to get 348 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: it right, and they got it wrong. They drafted. If 349 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: they could do it over, every team in the league, 350 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: including them, would have taken Herbert over to it right. 351 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: The information's in, But what they have is when they 352 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: actually had him on the field. Twice, Fitzpatrick came in 353 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: because the offense didn't move. And what it's Ryan Fitzpatrick 354 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: known for. He's kind of a gunslip. Yeah, I remember 355 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: after he beat Gruden. Gruden's like he thinks his talent 356 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: is actually better than it is. And when he's on 357 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: it works, and he came in, he starts slinging it 358 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: around and because Tuah won't unleash the ball, and Jilford 359 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: keeps saying that he's got this great arm like Marino. 360 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 1: But if you can have you know, you can throw 361 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: one hundred miles an hour. But if you can't throw 362 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: a strike, who cares. He's not throwing the ball. And 363 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick came in and let it lose. They benched him twice. 364 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: Now I get it they were trying to make the playoff, 365 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 1: but this year was an utter disaster for to it. Now. 366 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,239 Speaker 1: He was coming off an injury. But I met him 367 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: at the when we were at the Super Bowl. He's 368 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: not very big anyone that's been around these NFL quarterbacks. 369 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: Last year, I went to Pebble Beach, the at and 370 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: t pro am and Matt right when I came in, 371 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: Matt Ryan. And I've seen Matt Ryan playlive, but I've 372 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: never stood next to him. And I was walking in 373 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: his group was walking by me, and I remember thinking, 374 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: Matt Ryan is massive, absolutely massive. And anyone I've stood 375 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: next to, Philip Rivers huge and to his arm is 376 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: never gonna be Rogers or whatever. So if you don't 377 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: have a great arm, you're gonna have to be really accurate. Well, 378 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 1: most of like the Rivers and the Matt Ryan's, they 379 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: can see over everybody. This kid can't see and then, 380 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: like you said, if how do you shake the robotic 381 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: nature when at the core of the operation the coach 382 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: is not a defensive guy. So you don't have really 383 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: and Andy and Peyton, Kyle Shanahan really living and dying 384 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 1: with you every day. I mean they've already gone through 385 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: what different coordinators and offensive personnel, and the talent is 386 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: you know, he's it's a down grade talent. Yeah, I'm 387 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: with you. I would bet again. I would short to 388 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: as a stock right now for sure. So there have 389 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: been some success stories of college guys going pro. Pete Carroll, Um, 390 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: Jim Harball had success initially. Um, so did Chip Kelly 391 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 1: for a couple of years. My guess is Urban Meyers fortunate. Um, 392 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: he's gonna have some personnel say he gets a great quarterback. 393 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: It's a goofy division. There's no when you say all 394 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: the personnel say yeah, he's gonna get it and so, 395 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: and I think for two or three years that'll be 396 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: really an advantage. It's a winnable division. And I actually 397 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: think they have some interesting offensive weapons. The offensive line's 398 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: not a wreck, it's it's fixable. Um, I kind of 399 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: think Urban's gonna work. He's already had a misstep with 400 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: a strength and conditioning coach. It does feel like some 401 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: people in the NFL are rooting against him, though, what 402 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: do you what's your intel on that. I'd say that's 403 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: the natural inclination whenever a college coach comes. I mean, 404 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: that definitely happened with Chip, it happened with Harbab, But 405 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: Harball felt kind of like a hybrid because he had 406 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: played in the NFL for a while. I would say 407 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: Urban is dramatically more successful than both those two guys 408 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: combining in college. Right, he was closer to he was 409 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: better in Pete Carroll, but he was more than that. 410 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: Like he had won national championships, he had dominated. I 411 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: think Urban's gonna have success, I pushed back. I think 412 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: the division's kind of hard. I mean, what Ballard and 413 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 1: Frank are doing, all right? I mean they got they 414 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: got a squad. Mike vrabel is, you know, basically the 415 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan Shaan McVay of defensive coaches. Right, if we 416 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: did a coaching draft, he'd go really high. John Robinson. 417 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: Their GM's good. Now they're getting this player who's viewed 418 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: as next to Andrew Luck with kind of longer hair, right, 419 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 1: so he gets a quarterback. I just think he's too 420 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: good of a coach, like I expect him to be 421 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: competitive now. His standard has been at Florida and Ohio 422 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: State is to win the whole thing and compete for 423 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: the whole ring a national championship. I have a hard 424 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: time seeing him be a super Bowl coach in Jacksonville. 425 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: But I do just think he's too good to not have, 426 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: you know, maybe a ten win season within a couple 427 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: of years, But I do I see him just taking 428 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: the league by storm like Harball. Harball inherited a pretty 429 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 1: good roster yea, and Hardball looking back, I mean Vic 430 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: Fangio was his defensive coordinator and their defense was unstoppable. Yeah, 431 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: and they inherited an offense that was really good, like 432 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 1: it was kind of ready to kick butt. And even 433 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: the team chip inherited was Shady McCoy to Sean Jackson, 434 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: Prince Ellak, Jason Peters, Jason Kelsey, a lot of talent 435 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: this first year. I don't expect that much, Like if 436 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: you told me they five six wins, but you know, 437 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 1: make some strides towards the end of the year. That's 438 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 1: realistic to me. It'll be the second year, where that's 439 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,479 Speaker 1: when urban usually kind of pedal to the medal. Right, 440 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: can he win nine ten games to sneak in as 441 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: a seventh seed? That would be successful for me, you know. 442 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's never coached in the NFL. So 443 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: let's think of all the players that are like over 444 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: thirty years old. He does know their strengths and weaknesses. 445 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: Think of like Vic Fangio or just some of these 446 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: coordinators around the league, Like he doesn't know their tendencies. 447 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: There's not a guy that Sean Payton, Belichick, even Kyle Shanahan, 448 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: Sean mcvayh They've scouted all these players. They know every 449 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: coach's tendencies. Think of the disadvantage he's at where once 450 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: you're in a conference for a while, whether it's the 451 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,959 Speaker 1: SEC or the Big Ten, you just like any business, right, 452 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: you just become accustomed to what you're dealing with, your competition, 453 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: what you're dealing with internally. There is a big learning 454 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: curve when your talent on your roster is not there. 455 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: For a guy that has legitimately never coached in the NFL, 456 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: it's interesting you bring up Harball and I'll segue to 457 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: Jim He lost another quarterback this past week. Milton is 458 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: I think the sixth quarterback that's either transferred. You know. 459 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: I have heard this from two people that have worked 460 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: with Jim. He's different. He doesn't quite prepare like other coaches. 461 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: He can be very emotional. It's a little it's a 462 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: little off center the coaches that I've talked to, It's 463 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 1: not like other coaches. He's very intense. He can wear 464 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: people out. I mean, I look at Michigan and I think, 465 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: to myself, it's always been a little overvalued as a program. 466 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: I mean, bo Schembeckler was winning nine games a year 467 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: and losing Rose Bowls and losing to Ohio State. I 468 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: think he's been disappointing. I don't think he's failed. I 469 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: think he's been disappointing, not because he loses to the Buckeyes, 470 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: but I think they've been I think at times they've 471 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: felt chaotic at the most important position. How do you 472 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: view and your sources view Harbaugh's Michigan run. Yeah, I'm 473 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: with you there. I do think it's been underwhelming given 474 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: the expectations. Right, the expectations were that he was going 475 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: to come in and at least make the playoffs. And 476 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: really they haven't sniffed the playoffs because they get destroyed 477 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: by Ohio State. And I would say the last couple 478 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: of years, people think it's like kind of tiort, Yes, right, 479 00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: I mean you look up in the TV and you're 480 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: their playing was consin they're down twenty one nothing or 481 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: oh my god, they're losing to Iowa. It's one thing 482 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: to lose to Ohio State, like you said, they're not 483 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 1: Ohio State. Well, when you're losing to Wisconsin and then 484 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: you take a step back, well you go, maybe Chris 485 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: and Jim Leonard the defense, they're just better than Jim, Right, 486 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: Maybe Kirk Ferentz and James Franklin, like those guys are 487 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: just better than Jim. Maybe just maybe that's just a fact. 488 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: Those guys are just better. And that conference really with 489 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: Urban brought some of those guys there, brought better coordinators, 490 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: brought more money to the conference. The one thing Jim 491 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: really had at Stanford and definitely the forty nine ers, 492 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: his coaching staff was elite. And the one thing that 493 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: Saban does a great job of is he can just 494 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: rotate through guys and it doesn't matter. Jim has not 495 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: done well with the rotation at different coordinators, at position coaches, 496 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: and like you said, at the quarterback position. He just 497 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: I mean, he hasn't landed a guy. That's I mean, 498 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: how can he not find just a second or third 499 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: round draft pick, let alone a top ten pick. Just 500 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: find me a guy that a team wants to take 501 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 1: with the top ninety pick. Is you're you're Jim Harbaugh, 502 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: You've coached some of these famous guys, You're a quarterback. 503 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: He whiffs on guys like the Milton kid is transfer 504 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: isn't any good? So I was like, whatever, but why 505 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,959 Speaker 1: can't they find Zach Wilson whoever? Like, isn't that supposed 506 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: to be kind of his calling card? Yeah? And I 507 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: think when you talk to some people that know him, 508 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: they'd be like, well, actually, even though he's a former quarterback, 509 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: he's really wired more like an offensive lineman. Yeah. You know, 510 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: it's not like he's a great evaluator of like quarterbacks 511 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: and wide receivers. Right, he's a tough guy. He's a 512 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: tough guy, yeah, which is rare for quarterbacks. They're usually 513 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: cerebral guys. Right. Yeah, you know it's Brian Kelly at 514 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: Notre Dame. He had a pretty rough stretch with quarterbacks too. 515 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: He can wear them out. I think Brian's had a 516 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: really good last two to three years. Are you surprised 517 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: Brian Kelly never gets mentioned for an NFL job ever? 518 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: I think it maybe it ran it, he was in 519 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: the mix. I felt probably after twenty twelve to like 520 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: twenty and fifteen, twenty and sixteen. I think they're just 521 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: been the storm of kind of a younger vibe, young 522 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,479 Speaker 1: offensive coaches, some with Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVay sexy 523 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: underlings or kind of pass them. I had a guy 524 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: DM me a couple months ago and he said, you know, 525 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: I played for Brian Kelly at Grand Valley State and 526 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: we just started DM and back and forth. I didn't 527 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: even know this guy, and he said, you knew this 528 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: guy was just on a fast pass. And I remember 529 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: being a GA at Fresno State when a Cincinnati team 530 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: that went undefeated the year that he ended up taking. 531 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: Remember he went to Notre Dame and Cincinnati was so 532 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: devastated because he left him right before their big bowl game. 533 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: I think they were playing Florida, and you know how 534 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: he turned down Notre Dame from Cincinnati. He's just an 535 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: elite coach, and you could argue just stay at Notre Dame. 536 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: Doing what he's doing. It's really remarkable, and he's turning 537 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: them into an NFL factory. He's really doing what I 538 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: think people thought Harbaugh would do at Stars everywhere even 539 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: and he doesn't even have an NFL quarterback, but he's 540 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: got offensive defensive linemen, linebackers, wide receivers. They kind of 541 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: became Michigan, right, I mean, really, I think what people 542 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: thought Harbor I was going to do with Michigan. Yeah, no, 543 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think Brian I think I 544 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: think there's an I think there's an agism a little 545 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: bit when you're in college for a while. And he's 546 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: not quite Urban Meyer, right, he's never if he had 547 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: won a national championship or two, maybe, but it's probably 548 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: it's probably passed him by. I think he's big time. Like, 549 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: I mean, you put him at an SEC school that 550 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: can really like, you know, push the envelope and maybe 551 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: you know, cheat a little bit, it'd be open. His 552 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: academic requirements, Oh, they're brutal. Like it's listen, I listen. 553 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: I've talked to coaches about this. It's like listen to 554 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 1: if you take you know, Nick and SEC coaches and 555 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: your Oklahoma's can get about thirty percent more players into school. 556 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: Now there's a lot of crossover, but then there's some 557 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: non crossover, and you know, you don't think, well, it's 558 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: only like six or seven kids a year, but over 559 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: the course of three or four years, that's eighteen or 560 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: twenty four players that are often NFL players. So and 561 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: I think that's the difference. Listen, Notre Dame played Georgia 562 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: close twice. Those were both winnable games. Well, in fairness 563 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: to him, could you say he's like a little Phil 564 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: Mickelson to Tiger Woods, Like he ran into Alabama twice 565 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: in big games and the playoffs in the National Championship 566 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: back in the day. Like who's beating Alabama? No One 567 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: this year? No One back then in twenty twelve. Maybe 568 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: he runs into a Clemson, Maybe he runs into Ohio State. 569 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: Maybe he's hoisting the trophy. You just run into Nick 570 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: when he's at the peak of his powers. You're gonna 571 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: lose John Middlecoff forber NFL Scout on the Wednesday podcast. 572 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: So you're the Jets, GM, Joe Douglas, you're the Jets 573 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: and I thought about this the other day. So it's 574 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: the best defensive coach division in football. Belichick, Sean McDermott, 575 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: and Brian Flores. So if I get rid of Sam Darnold, 576 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask, right, that's pretty good. I'm Mountain West 577 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: quarterback with a bad old line to face Belichick twice, 578 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: Flores twice, and McDermott twice, And I think to myself, oh, 579 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: so we don't even know if Robert slickon coach. So 580 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: I would bet any amount of money within reason. They're 581 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: a fourth place team for the next two years with 582 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: Kyle Wilson, or I can keep Sam Donald get at 583 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: least a couple of ones and a couple of twos. 584 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: They have huge cap space and feel like, okay, I 585 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: can compete now today. I don't think it's a slam dunk. 586 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: I know everybody else does. But I've talked to a 587 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: gym about this and he said, listen, it's a fifty 588 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: fifty proposition with first round quarterbacks. You know, there's stuff 589 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: about Wilson. He's not a big arm. He struggled against 590 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: better teams at BYU. He weighs two hundred pounds. There's 591 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: some warning signs here, you're the GM, what do you do? 592 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: I keep Sam Donald and I know the Jets thought 593 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: there was a Grand Canyon gap between Trevor Lawrence and 594 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: everyone else during the season. I can't see what changes. 595 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: And Sam. If Kyle Shanahan like Sam Darnold, well, why 596 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't Lafleur, who's a Kyle Shanahan guy. He's gonna run 597 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: the same offense McVeigh Kyle his brother in Green Bay. 598 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: Wouldn't Sam Darnold have success in that offense? And there 599 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: are so many pieces away to me, Like you said, 600 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: could you trade from two to four, get maybe an 601 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: extra second round pick? You got multiple first round picks 602 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: for the next couple of years and build this thing around. 603 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: And really, Sam is once you pick up his fifth 604 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: year option, he's two years, thirty million dollars, fifteen million 605 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: dollars the next two years, You're not tying yourself to him. Now. 606 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: The one move I think you'd have to consider if 607 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,719 Speaker 1: you're them is the Deshaun Watson because you bring him 608 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: in immediately, and you got the Caps base and you 609 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: could build around. And that's a place with the Texans 610 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: if they'd ever because you got the second overall pick 611 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: and then maybe you can get rid of it. Sam Donald. 612 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: I'm not getting rid of Sam Darnold, four, Trey Lance 613 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: he's played one season, or Zach Wilson the ways two 614 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: hundred pounds, like, do you know what the Bills would 615 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: do that guy? And I think there's Wilson thing. I 616 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: think the Internet likes him a little bit. I'm not 617 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: saying the teams don't like him, because clearly it's but 618 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: there is a lot of holes in just this guy's 619 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: gonna go number two overall. Yeah, I mean the first 620 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: time I saw him, John, my first takeaway is he 621 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: needs to put on weight. I saw him two years 622 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: ago and now I watched him and I think he 623 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: still needs to put on weight. There are two hundred 624 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: pound he's two hundred pounds. There's not the smallest NFL 625 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,719 Speaker 1: quarterbacks like Kyler Murray who's five nine, who weighs two 626 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: hundred and ten, is really built like a block of muscle, 627 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: right right, So you're talking about a kid that we 628 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: may have a situation where John he's not gonna gain weight. 629 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: You know, ty detn Detmer never got thick, you know, 630 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: Like I look at him and I think the bodies 631 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: aren't built for it. They're not He's you know, it's 632 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: not like BYU doesn't have a nutrition program. It's it's 633 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: no I look at it produce an NFL guy. Yeah, 634 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: you're working out, and I'm so. I look at him 635 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: and I think to myself, you're looking at a two 636 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: hundred and seven pound quarterback. I did see a video 637 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: of Trey Lance, and I mean, like most people you 638 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: don't watch North Dakota State, he does look like a 639 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,239 Speaker 1: big oh oh no, he is question if he had 640 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: played this year and just Corona had never existed and 641 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: had a big season at that level, I think he 642 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: would be viewed as the block number two guy. He 643 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: because I saw a video of him throwing with a 644 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: shirt off and went, whoa man, this guy. If there 645 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: was a combine, and I think it was supposed to 646 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: go on this year, he I would have been surprised 647 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: if he wasn't kind of the talk of the combine 648 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: because Lawrence his combine would have been irrelevant. That guy 649 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: would have been the guy because he would have You 650 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: just stand him next to Zack Wilson, right, you know 651 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: the way those guys walk into the room to interview 652 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: with the team. Well, Zach Wilson walks in one guy, 653 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: the next guy's Trey Lance, You're gonna be like, oh, 654 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: I mean that's four inch difference, you know, thirty five 655 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: pound difference. That's a big deal. And that matters because 656 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: we see the size of these The Bosa Brothers, the 657 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: Max the Donalds. Guys are big and strong and they 658 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: slam me to the ground. Yeah. I mean Alex Smith 659 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: has had injury issues. Teddy Bridgewater, they both have always 660 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: felt a little slight. Alex feels thin, Teddy has always 661 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: felt a little thin in the legs. I think it's something. 662 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: I don't think it's everything, but I think it's something. 663 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: John Middlecoff, former NFL scout. By the way, they did 664 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: cancel the live portion of the combine, what was the 665 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: reasoning with that and how does it sit with scouts. 666 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: I think they expected it to be all, you know, canceled. 667 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: I heard someone someone told me that you're only allowed 668 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: to have three members at a pro day. I think 669 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: that the one thing is these the NFL personnel, the coaches, 670 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 1: since the when everything stopped a year ago, they were 671 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 1: forced to pivot and be open minded with things and 672 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 1: do stuff on Zoo right. You know, remember last year 673 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,320 Speaker 1: with the draft, the combine did get to happen, but 674 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: the interviews happened over zoom, right. I think they understand it, 675 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,760 Speaker 1: and I would imagine the season for all the gms 676 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: and the head coaches in a weird way. Makes the 677 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: number to this because like most human beings, it's not 678 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: easy to have something that you depend on just canceled. 679 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: But when you're used to things getting canceled or changed, 680 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: I don't think it faces anybody now. It makes it 681 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: more difficult, right, because part of the reason you test them, 682 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: and the main thing that the combine is used for 683 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: is the medical You know, in the NBA, for example, 684 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: I don't have to give my medical to any team. 685 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to. In the NFL, everyone, all the 686 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: good players, they go to the combine, they all get 687 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: medical checks. Everyone's got their information. It's not you're not 688 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 1: hiding anything. And that that's a big deal in a 689 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,840 Speaker 1: sport that injuries happen a lot and a lot of guys, 690 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: you know, have a lot of wear and tear just 691 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: even out of college, right knees and elbows, and that 692 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: information is going to be I would say a lot 693 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: more difficult to obtain that. That's the part that but 694 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: I think they've been preparing for it. So you just 695 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 1: got to figure out a way. There's a will, there's 696 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:57,720 Speaker 1: a way. Colin all right time. Finally for rapid fire. 697 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 1: I asked quick questions. You give me very quick answers. 698 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 1: The second best quarterback in the draft John is justin fields. 699 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: The Carson Wentz Colts era will be a success. Belichick 700 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: wins how many more Super Bowls? Zero? Brady wins how 701 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: many more Super Bowls? I'm gonna go zero, but it's 702 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: hard to say zero. The best fit for JJ Watt 703 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: is Kansas City. The NFL prospect nobody's talking about but 704 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 1: should be is that's a good one. I'd go to 705 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:52,399 Speaker 1: Parsons from Penn State, the linebacker. And the most dysfunctional 706 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: franchise in the NFL is now the Texas. Isn't it amazing? 707 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: It's like Joel Osteen with cleats is running it. It's 708 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 1: like it's like got a cult feel to it. When 709 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: trust is lost and you don't have football people and 710 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 1: you have an owner that's over his head, I mean, 711 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 1: it's easy to understand how things can get away from 712 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: them fast, right. I mean the thing with the NFL, 713 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,399 Speaker 1: when an owner dies, they just passes their kid. There's 714 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 1: no guarantee the kid. That's what he's doing, right, right, 715 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: that's that just that in itself, you just passes your kid. 716 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,760 Speaker 1: Most billion dollar companies, right or public run by boards. 717 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 1: That's not the way the world works. When the NFL, 718 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: the kid just takes over. Well, Paul, and that's not 719 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 1: going well. Yeah, I mean, Paul Allen hands it over 720 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: to his sister who doesn't like sports. And Paul was meticulous. 721 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 1: He hovered over the franchise and so and by the way, 722 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 1: Al Davis similarly did, Mark didn't. And also generationally, when 723 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,360 Speaker 1: dad is rich, you know, son doesn't grow up with 724 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,440 Speaker 1: the same sort of passion and sort of work integrity 725 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 1: that Ad did. So I do think Seattle's facing a 726 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: little bit of this reality, like nobody's monitoring Pete. I 727 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: think Houston Denver. Denver is a good example. Since he 728 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 1: passed away, it's been a disaster. Yeah, No, it's all real. 729 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 1: John Middlecough haven't talked in a while. Great seeing y'all 730 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: love your information, buddy, and I appreciate it all right, folks. 731 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 1: You can follow us on Twitter at the Volume Sports Instagram, 732 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: The Volume, Sports Rate Review Subscribe. We love to hear 733 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 1: your thoughts. John is about as well connected as you're 734 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: going to get a former NFL scout that he really 735 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: has I think really interesting information, keeps it very current, 736 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 1: and I've loved having him on the Herd Podcast Network. 737 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,840 Speaker 1: And I hope you enjoyed it. Have yourself a great Wednesday. 738 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: The Volume