WEBVTT - The Science of Beards

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot com. Hey, welcome to stuff to Blow your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb, and I'm Julie Douglas. Julie

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<v Speaker 1>named for me. Your favorite beards. And in the world

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<v Speaker 1>out there of bearded faces, which which one's called you

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<v Speaker 1>the most? You mean the wearer of it? No, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just saying, like beards that you I mean. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it's harder. How do you separate the wearer from the beard?

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<v Speaker 1>How do you separate the beard from the bearded? I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I'm staring at our producer right now, Noel,

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<v Speaker 1>who has a wonderful beard. It's a good beard. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a friendly beard. It's it's a coron. That was an

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<v Speaker 1>awful pronunciation of very current. Um, it's a good it's

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<v Speaker 1>a solid beard. But you know one of my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>beerds of all time, a pretty gray Yes, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the biogere intelligence. Yes, he has a straight, straight up

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<v Speaker 1>wizard beard, a long beer that you look at it

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<v Speaker 1>and you're like, this is a man with with wisdom.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a man um of experience that I can

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<v Speaker 1>trust to help me live forever. Yeah, And you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I kind of had wondered. You know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I made a comment before in another episode when we

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<v Speaker 1>were discussing some of his ideas about living forever um.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there was this idea of, well, if he

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<v Speaker 1>shaved his beard, would he look twenty years old or

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<v Speaker 1>would he look a hundred and twenty. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>there's that much facial hair going on, Yeah enough to

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<v Speaker 1>him my head. I don't know how old he is either,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can't even factor that into it. No, But

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<v Speaker 1>after sort of looking at some of this research, I

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<v Speaker 1>have a new view of Arportugray that I will discuss

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<v Speaker 1>later on in the podcast because I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>give anything away. Okay, UM, it's interesting you sent this

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<v Speaker 1>um this infographic around the trustworthiness of beards that ranks

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<v Speaker 1>all these varying degrees of beards from from the very

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<v Speaker 1>trustworthy to be disastrous. And there's there's like a dozen

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<v Speaker 1>of them on here, and uh, on the far end

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<v Speaker 1>of the very trustworthy scape, we have like to the

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<v Speaker 1>two beards that are closest to the end. One basically

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<v Speaker 1>looks like Noel's beard and the other one looks like

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<v Speaker 1>Aubrey grays beer. If you go on the other end

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<v Speaker 1>of the spectrum, then you have to encounter a Hitler

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<v Speaker 1>mustache and a pencil fin mustache. Say that pencil fan

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<v Speaker 1>always says villain to me or John Water. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think of John Waters as a villain. Well, I think

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<v Speaker 1>a benevolent villain. I think he would would term himself

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<v Speaker 1>at you know, possibly possibly he's a provocateur. But also

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<v Speaker 1>funny on this particular infographic is that the the Hitler

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<v Speaker 1>mustache and the John Waters mustache right below that is

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<v Speaker 1>a full werewolf. So I'm glad that hyperdricosis made the list. Yeah. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll tell you one beerd There's so many great

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<v Speaker 1>beards out there, um, so many great beards from science

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<v Speaker 1>history alone, which I'm hoping we'll do a little gallery

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<v Speaker 1>to go with this online. Now I have to mention

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<v Speaker 1>before we launch into beer and we really look at

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<v Speaker 1>the science be find them. Um that I feel like,

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<v Speaker 1>in part we should owe this episode to your own

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<v Speaker 1>facial hair. Yes, oh the sideburns, burns, You've got nice

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<v Speaker 1>chops there. Yeah, well let's they go from the sideburn

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<v Speaker 1>level to the chocolate which I was I was looking

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<v Speaker 1>at where those rank on this particular trustworthiness of beards

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<v Speaker 1>and certainly the chops that the chops are a little

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<v Speaker 1>more in the neutral zone, whereas the sideburns are are

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<v Speaker 1>a little more towards the trustworthy side. So if I

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<v Speaker 1>can actually, you know, go buy anything that this infograph

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<v Speaker 1>has to say about the matter. Well, just as a

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<v Speaker 1>side note, you have a great photo gallery sideburns of science,

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<v Speaker 1>sideburns of science. See, I'm thinking we'll do one about

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<v Speaker 1>beards as well to go with this episode. One beard

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<v Speaker 1>that I that I am seeing a lot of recently

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm watching, um, the current season of Madman is

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<v Speaker 1>the actor who plays the character Stan j R. Ferguson

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<v Speaker 1>has this huge beard. I don't know if you're up

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<v Speaker 1>to that point. Yeah, And so illustrator yea, the illustrator

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<v Speaker 1>massive beard, and uh, I was looking up I found

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<v Speaker 1>an interview with him and he says that when he

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<v Speaker 1>after he came in, um, you know, ready to do

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<v Speaker 1>the show, grew out this beard that they wanted him

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<v Speaker 1>to have for this season. He said it was actually

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<v Speaker 1>a bit too much. It was like a cross between

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<v Speaker 1>Jeremiah Johnson and Tom hankson Castaway, and they actually had

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<v Speaker 1>to trim it down to its to the state that

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<v Speaker 1>you see it in on that So so virile was

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<v Speaker 1>his beard. Yeah, I had to tame it back. You

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<v Speaker 1>know what's interesting about that, and we'll get into this,

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<v Speaker 1>is that as a character he he usually says some

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<v Speaker 1>pretty loudish things, like loudish like um, you know, he

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<v Speaker 1>says some inappropriate things, sexually charged, now clean shaven, super creepy.

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<v Speaker 1>The beard I actually think softens that a bit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're right. Yeah, because yeah, he's he's a

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<v Speaker 1>far more levable character with the beard. Well, also you

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<v Speaker 1>see a little bit more character development of him my

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<v Speaker 1>fields the show progresses, so you know him a little

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<v Speaker 1>better about it than me as the beard. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like earlier on you're like, who is this this guy's

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<v Speaker 1>guy's kind of awful, and now you're like, this is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the better gentlemen in the office. Yeah, you're right,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy's got personality. Yeah, and he I guess it's

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<v Speaker 1>the only I can't think of any of other characters

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<v Speaker 1>that current that are currently on the show that have

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<v Speaker 1>a beard. So no, but there is a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>facial hair going on for sure. No, let's look back

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<v Speaker 1>here in the time machine at ancient Greece, where the

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<v Speaker 1>beard was big, right, It was a sign of virility,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was an advertisement that you were not a Unich. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>because presumably or this was the thought actually that if

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<v Speaker 1>you were a Unich, you wouldn't have the ability, would

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<v Speaker 1>not have the hormones to produce that the massive glorious

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<v Speaker 1>beards on your wisdom. And certainly in olden days various

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<v Speaker 1>societies this was there were enough Unix around that this

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<v Speaker 1>was actually something to think about. There actually a fair

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<v Speaker 1>number of Unix plays, varying roles in society, sometimes very

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<v Speaker 1>important roles. Um. Which reminds me we do need to

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<v Speaker 1>do an episode on Unix. Was that because the history

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<v Speaker 1>of Unix and some of the science of Unix is

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<v Speaker 1>is really, um, really fascinating. Um. But yeah, yeah, go

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<v Speaker 1>back to the Greeks. The Greeks loved them, at least

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<v Speaker 1>until Alexander the Great came along and he said, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't need beards. We need to shave these beards

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<v Speaker 1>off if we're going into combat, because somebody could grab

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<v Speaker 1>me by my beard and start slicing at my face exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And I imagine that at some point too, if you

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<v Speaker 1>are in a situation where you don't have access to

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<v Speaker 1>clean water and so on and so forth, that that

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<v Speaker 1>little beard could get quite contestive. Yeah, and certainly we've

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<v Speaker 1>been shaving beards for a while. Um, I mean we

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<v Speaker 1>well before we were shaving beards, presumably we're you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there were situations where one would pluck out the facial hair,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if you if you weren't stay capable of growing

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<v Speaker 1>like a full beard anyway, maybe you just decided to

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<v Speaker 1>go clean cut on it, and you would be you

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<v Speaker 1>would have to to plug at the hairs or find

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<v Speaker 1>out some of their methods. But we have found archaeological

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<v Speaker 1>evidence dating back to one thousand BC of into dual

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<v Speaker 1>shaving their beards clearly with some sort of flint instruments,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the first razors if you will. Indeed, um,

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<v Speaker 1>it should not go unnoted that bearded ladies make appearances

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<v Speaker 1>throughout history, yes, right. Um. I wanted to point out

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<v Speaker 1>that some of this is due to something called hair sudism,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a variant of hypertrichosis, also known as the

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<v Speaker 1>werewolf syndrome, when there's an abnormal amount of hair growth

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<v Speaker 1>on the body. Uh. Though with hair sudism, it's usually

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<v Speaker 1>due to increased levels of androgens. Or male hormones. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>bearded ladies would show up in sideshow acts in the circus, right,

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<v Speaker 1>or freak shows as they were called. Most of the time,

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<v Speaker 1>those weren't actually ladies. They were just dudes to put

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<v Speaker 1>on a little with beards that put on a little

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<v Speaker 1>makeup and address. Yeah, but that's been going on since

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<v Speaker 1>Shakespeare's time, right, no ladies on the stage. Um. I

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<v Speaker 1>also want to point out the cultural significance of the

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<v Speaker 1>term beard, which is also slang for um, a person

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<v Speaker 1>who is a cover for a gay friend or a partner. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and apparently sometimes too, it would be a cover for

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<v Speaker 1>somebody who's having an affair in a nixed gender situation

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Yeah. Yeah, although I would say that the

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<v Speaker 1>actually i've heard it more used as a way to

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<v Speaker 1>sort of negate someone's homosexuality. Public feel like that's the

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<v Speaker 1>usage that sticks with us more these days. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of this idea that you could give this heteronorm

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<v Speaker 1>appearance of a couple knowing that one of them was

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<v Speaker 1>gay the other was not. Um, But I do I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's fascinating because the term, again, when you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about heteronorms, you talk about masculinity. And in the instance

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<v Speaker 1>where there is a male who is gay who is

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<v Speaker 1>with a woman, she the beard gives him masculinity. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not saying that she gives him real masculinity. I'm saying

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<v Speaker 1>that from society's perspective, she's imbuing him with this power.

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<v Speaker 1>But it always makes me anytime I hear of the

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<v Speaker 1>term beard used in those scenarios, it makes me think

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<v Speaker 1>of money. Python's the Life of Brian where there's a

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<v Speaker 1>scene where someone someone's going to be stoned to death

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<v Speaker 1>and punishment for some sort of infraction. And and only

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<v Speaker 1>the men are allowed to come and witness this, but

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<v Speaker 1>only the women are really interested in attending it. So

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<v Speaker 1>they're all buying these fake beards from a vendor outside

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<v Speaker 1>the stoning area, and uh, and they're all, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there to participate. I love that bit because on so

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<v Speaker 1>many different levels, I think it's a commentary society is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's some wonderful commentary throwne in to what is still

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<v Speaker 1>a very silly sketch. But that's Python for you. All Right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk a bit about the evolution of the beard

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<v Speaker 1>and this sort of powers I said that is imbued

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<v Speaker 1>by this mass official hair. So needless to say, the

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<v Speaker 1>beard grows on the face. And it's really interesting when

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<v Speaker 1>you start thinking about the face, what is the human face, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Because certainly it is a bunch of skull meat. It

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<v Speaker 1>is uh, it's a place where we keep our eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>in our nose, in our mouth. So it's it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of this uh, front loaded sensory array that allows us

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<v Speaker 1>to take in the sense world around us. But then

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<v Speaker 1>it is also something a bit more too, It is

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<v Speaker 1>also a communications array. Now, all this is complicated by

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that, of course we end up thinking of

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<v Speaker 1>our face as ourselves, right, like I am my face

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<v Speaker 1>to a certain extent, or at least my face is

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<v Speaker 1>an expression of who I am. Or you're saying that

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<v Speaker 1>some people allow how they look to color their personality. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>people end up augmenting their face and to varying degrees.

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<v Speaker 1>And the varying degrees may include, um, growing a beard,

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<v Speaker 1>it may mean wearing makeup, It may mean piercings, it

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<v Speaker 1>may mean tattoos, it may mean cosmetic surgery. All of

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<v Speaker 1>these things are done because we see the faces an

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<v Speaker 1>expression of who we are. But then the but then

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<v Speaker 1>it's also tied in with the fact that the faces

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<v Speaker 1>a means of communicating. Um. Obviously, we make expressions. There

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<v Speaker 1>seven primary expressions and then various um micro expressions that

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<v Speaker 1>appear for just you know, fractions of a second and

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<v Speaker 1>some of the best, Yeah, that allow you to get

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<v Speaker 1>gains an insight into what's going on, what emotions are

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<v Speaker 1>we feeling, what emotions are recovering. And there's actually a

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eight check study that found that facial

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<v Speaker 1>expressions alone can speak a thousand words. So we get

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<v Speaker 1>into this idea of the face is not just you

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<v Speaker 1>know who we are, but but a means of communicating

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<v Speaker 1>with other members of our society. And uh. And so

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<v Speaker 1>there was another study that I found that plays into

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<v Speaker 1>this sin. This is the two thousand and twelve study

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<v Speaker 1>from a team of U. C. L a biologist, and

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<v Speaker 1>they started thinking about the evolution of the human face

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<v Speaker 1>and the evolution of the primate face and and how

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<v Speaker 1>does facial diversity UM factor into all of this. So

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<v Speaker 1>they looked at a hundred and twenty nine different adult

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<v Speaker 1>male primates from Central and South America, and the study

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<v Speaker 1>included this great wheel that that graph that had all

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<v Speaker 1>these different to monkey faces on and they arranged uh,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty wildly there's you know, there there are some very

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<v Speaker 1>conservative looking monkey faces that it is just like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>well that is that is a monkey. If you saw

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<v Speaker 1>a picture of you be like, well look at that

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<v Speaker 1>monkey there is. And then others are you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>crazy must red faced, mustachioed, you know, crazy eyebrow like

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<v Speaker 1>you know crazy monkey pictures. Yeah, like very like punk

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<v Speaker 1>rock monk monkeys. And so you would look at these

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<v Speaker 1>and if you look at these thinking, um, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>some of these monkeys are gonna be more solitary than others,

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<v Speaker 1>and some are gonna be a little more society driven,

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<v Speaker 1>a little more you know, social and prone to live

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<v Speaker 1>in in packs and small groups. Um. And so what

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<v Speaker 1>is the correlation between facial complexity uh and uh and

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<v Speaker 1>and social activity? As it turns out, the crazier the

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<v Speaker 1>face on the primates in the study, the more solitary

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<v Speaker 1>the monkey, whereas the planer faced monkeys were more likely

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<v Speaker 1>to live in in some sort of a close knit

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<v Speaker 1>society and in a group of some courts sort. And

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<v Speaker 1>so the theory here is that since our face is

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<v Speaker 1>the communications of race, since our face is a means

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<v Speaker 1>of communicating with other members of our species, the plane

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<v Speaker 1>or the faces, the better the communication system. It's in

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<v Speaker 1>a large community, Yeah, it's like, you know, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the poster that I'm going to use, or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the billboard I'm going to use to communicate

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<v Speaker 1>with people, And the more graffiti I have on it,

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, I have drapes up on it and

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of crazy stuff. It's it's getting in the

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<v Speaker 1>way of my ability to use that to communicate the clearest.

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<v Speaker 1>So the crazy faces they're standing out on their own

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<v Speaker 1>because they don't have to use this. But the planer

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<v Speaker 1>faced monkeys, they're using this as a communication system. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a like a satellite dish. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>to pick up a signal, you want to have it

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<v Speaker 1>cleaned off. You don't want to have a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>brush on it and drying clothes and what have you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it makes total sense because if you are in a

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<v Speaker 1>large community and you've got to read each other's facial expressions,

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<v Speaker 1>than the plane or the face the easier to read.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you are just hanging out with one or

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<v Speaker 1>two people, not a big deal to put on as

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<v Speaker 1>much of the the makeup exactly nature's makeup as possible. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think it's really interesting in the human context

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<v Speaker 1>because conservative estimates say that um communication is perceived by

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<v Speaker 1>up I think upboards of six of nonverbal cues. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so it would make sense that whatever is crossing your

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<v Speaker 1>face is really going to inform another person about how

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<v Speaker 1>you feel, and particularly when you blush. I just looked

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<v Speaker 1>at some research on blushing, and it turns out that

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<v Speaker 1>the way that our vision is constructed, the cones in

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<v Speaker 1>our eyes they think. Uh. Scientists and researchers think that

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<v Speaker 1>it was constructed in a way that we could really

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<v Speaker 1>see the variances in skin color and humans, so that

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<v Speaker 1>we could perceive things like blushing as a subtle way

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<v Speaker 1>of saying, oh this, you know, the person um across

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<v Speaker 1>from me feels ashamed about this or regretful for doing something.

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<v Speaker 1>And again this plays into this idea of nonverbal cues

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<v Speaker 1>letting us know what is truly going on between humans.

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<v Speaker 1>So what does allays have to with facial hair? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>if you dress up this canvas that you display your emotions,

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<v Speaker 1>you are certainly trying to say something with your beard,

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<v Speaker 1>or rather there are some subconscious things going on with

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<v Speaker 1>the beard. Well, to a certain extent, you're growing a mask.

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<v Speaker 1>You're growing this thing out of your face that covers

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<v Speaker 1>up you know, at least like half your face. It's

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<v Speaker 1>so it's it's it can be used as a means

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<v Speaker 1>of masking what you're actually feeling. Well, and I like

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<v Speaker 1>this idea of uh putting on a mask of power

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<v Speaker 1>to right. And if you look at the writings of

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<v Speaker 1>Barnaby J. Dixon, he's a postdoctoral researcher in the Evolution

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<v Speaker 1>and Ecology Research Center at the University of New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 1>He has a lot to say on this topic. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>He has a couple of different studies out right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And in fact, if you go to his website, he's

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<v Speaker 1>at Dixon with an S by the way, d I

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<v Speaker 1>X S O N. Does he himself of a beard. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>if you go to his website, not only will you

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<v Speaker 1>see his glorious beard, which is um, you're not with

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<v Speaker 1>a mustache, by the way, you will also be able

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<v Speaker 1>to participate in a couple of online studies and see

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<v Speaker 1>some images of people with beards or men with beards

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<v Speaker 1>and then without beards, and go through the process of

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<v Speaker 1>rating them on their attractiveness. So let me get back

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<v Speaker 1>to Barnaby, though uh In the paper published in Behavioral

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<v Speaker 1>Ecology quote beards augment perceptions of men's age, social status,

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<v Speaker 1>and aggressiveness, but not attractiveness. Dixon and Paul L. Vacy

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<v Speaker 1>take a look at the power and structure of vis

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<v Speaker 1>via beard and an abstract. He says, or they say,

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<v Speaker 1>Darwin positive that beards evolved in human ancestors via female

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<v Speaker 1>choice is a highly attractive masculine adornment. This is Darwin's theory. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>this is they're saying. You know, Darwin put this out there,

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<v Speaker 1>who himself had a big beard later in life after

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<v Speaker 1>earlier in life having glorious beard. But they go on

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<v Speaker 1>to say that they think it's not necessarily um an

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<v Speaker 1>element of attractiveness. Here is more of power. And he

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<v Speaker 1>said that they show that women from two very different

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<v Speaker 1>ethnic groups a group of women um that are Europeans

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<v Speaker 1>from New Zealand and Polynesian women from Samoa, they don't

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<v Speaker 1>rate bearded faces as more attractive than clean shaven faces.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, women from both of those groups judge bearded

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<v Speaker 1>faces to be older and ascribe them higher social status

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<v Speaker 1>than men who are clean shaven. Yeah. I mean, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things with all this, you have to

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<v Speaker 1>take into account all the human complexity of any of this.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if you're in a society where the beard

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<v Speaker 1>is more important and more established, and you know, that's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna that's gonna weigh weigh in other things. Uh. But

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<v Speaker 1>but most of the the studies that we were looking

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<v Speaker 1>at here, they were we were seeing that the beard

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<v Speaker 1>has a stronger role in intra sexual signaling than in

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<v Speaker 1>any kind of female mate preferences. In other words, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>you're growing that beard because you have something to say

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<v Speaker 1>to the other guys, not because or you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>may you may think otherwise, but ultimately your beard is

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<v Speaker 1>speaking to the other men. Well, and what's interesting about

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<v Speaker 1>the Polynesian women and the women from New Zealand is

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<v Speaker 1>that they then saw that men who were acting aggressively

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<v Speaker 1>with beards were deemed to be more aggressive than the

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<v Speaker 1>clean shaven brethren. So there's this idea again that it's

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<v Speaker 1>a sort of sort of suiting up a manning up

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<v Speaker 1>and again assuming a power roll. And if you look

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<v Speaker 1>at a paper by D. Caroline Blanchard which was published

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<v Speaker 1>in Behavioral Neuroscience, UM, they begin to see the animal

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<v Speaker 1>world being pulled in in the form of lions and

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<v Speaker 1>their means. Yeah, yeah, you know, this was an interesting

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<v Speaker 1>study that you came across. And the idea here, the

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<v Speaker 1>theory here is that all right, So why does the

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<v Speaker 1>lion have a main because it looks cool because it's

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<v Speaker 1>since the signal? Or does the lion have the main

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<v Speaker 1>because all of this extra hair protects some some some

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<v Speaker 1>very important parts of the neck and face. True, and

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<v Speaker 1>she says that lions with prominent means are like men

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<v Speaker 1>with beards, with the ideas that both began to grow

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<v Speaker 1>facial hair at puberty. Both the main and the beard

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<v Speaker 1>helped the single out gender in a crowd. And um, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the beard, like the main, would give the wear a

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<v Speaker 1>more imposing silhouette and serve to blunt any attacks. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Because one thing you have to to think about here too,

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<v Speaker 1>if this theory holds up, you have to think about

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<v Speaker 1>the way humans have it have evolved. Um, what are

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<v Speaker 1>natural weapons? Are natural weapons? Are fists? The first things

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<v Speaker 1>we're using to hurt each other, you know, aside from

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the the odd bite and maybe you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, at some point someone realizes, hey, we can

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<v Speaker 1>kick things too, But for the most part, we our

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<v Speaker 1>hands have evolved to punch people in the face. I

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<v Speaker 1>did a blog in a video about this a while back,

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<v Speaker 1>and the idea is that when you make a fist,

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<v Speaker 1>and and certainly we are the only species that makes

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<v Speaker 1>fists and punches other members of our species, or if

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<v Speaker 1>you're lion nissa, maybe a wolf with your with your fist,

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<v Speaker 1>when you make a fist, it's uh, you know, certainly

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<v Speaker 1>you can hurt your hand still when you, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>make contact, but it's structured so that you're actually protecting

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the more fragile parts of the hand,

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<v Speaker 1>the moans and muscles when when you ball up. So

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<v Speaker 1>the idea here is that that we have we have

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<v Speaker 1>evolved over time to use these as weapons. So in

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<v Speaker 1>the course of evolution to it makes a certain amount

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<v Speaker 1>of sense that we might also develop some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>protective feature against people punching us in the face. And

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<v Speaker 1>then later in early developments, clearly some of our first

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<v Speaker 1>weapons are going to be blunt instrument weapons as well,

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<v Speaker 1>before we eventually get to where we're creating spears and

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<v Speaker 1>swords and axes and you know, on up to our

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<v Speaker 1>modern weaponry. Okay, so a lion who is being attacked

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<v Speaker 1>the other lion who was attacking the line with a

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<v Speaker 1>magnificent main would get a mouthful of hair, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>it would be a little bit harder to get to

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<v Speaker 1>the throat region. So if you're talking about humans then

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<v Speaker 1>striking each other on the chin, then you've got the

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<v Speaker 1>beard that kind of buffers the impact of that, right right.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course they don't really go into a mention

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<v Speaker 1>in the study, but humans today are not above biting

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<v Speaker 1>into the foe, son or an ear. Yeah, so I

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<v Speaker 1>can only imagine that that would have played apart as well, indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure. And naturally Blanchard brings up something called the

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<v Speaker 1>glass chin phenomenon. She says it's well known in boxing

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<v Speaker 1>and direct blows to the front and sides of the

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<v Speaker 1>neck as well as the area just under the nose,

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<v Speaker 1>can be particularly lethal, and that both are particular targets

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<v Speaker 1>of attack and unarmed combat techniques, and that this is

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<v Speaker 1>a protective feature of human beards, and that this is interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>The technical and competition rules of the International Amateur Boxing

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<v Speaker 1>Association prohibit beards and boxing matches. So I'm assuming that's

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<v Speaker 1>to level the playing field, right, I guess, because then

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Otherwise someone with a particularly great beard is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be that much more protective. Now, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>see those rules if I'm not mistaken in mixed martial arts,

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<v Speaker 1>because you do see bearded individuals partaking in combat there.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I mainly thinking of I only know older dudes,

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<v Speaker 1>but like like Dan Severn, he had an awesome mustache.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that wasn't really protecting the jaw and neck,

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<v Speaker 1>but but it seems like there are a few other

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<v Speaker 1>bearded guys that were thrown down. Well, no, I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about Abraham Lincoln. Abraham Lincoln of course describe the wrestler,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had the beard going on for sure, macho man,

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<v Speaker 1>Randy Savage, professional wrestler, but that he had a great beard, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And it also ties in kind of interestingly

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<v Speaker 1>with some other studies we're looking at where the theory

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<v Speaker 1>was to that a large beard and also large eyebrows

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<v Speaker 1>contribute to the way that the face is perceived and

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<v Speaker 1>they make the jaw look stronger and more intimidating. Um

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<v Speaker 1>and uh. And when you couple that with a brow,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't help but think, like what you have. Peter Gallagher,

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<v Speaker 1>the actor who already had like amazing eyebrows. What if

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<v Speaker 1>he had ever grown a beard, because I did a

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<v Speaker 1>quick Google search and I never found an image of

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<v Speaker 1>him with a beard, So I think missed opportunity. He

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<v Speaker 1>could have been the ultimate alpha male. Well, but maybe

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<v Speaker 1>he's doing that just for everybody's benefit. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>bet that every time he furrows his brow that the

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<v Speaker 1>earth trembles. Right, So if he were to grow a beard,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be catastrophe. It could be someone set him

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<v Speaker 1>down once said Peter, you have amazing eyebrows, and that

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<v Speaker 1>you must promise himust swear a blood oath and never

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<v Speaker 1>to grow a beard. All right, let's take a break

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<v Speaker 1>and when we get back, we are going to discuss

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<v Speaker 1>why Billy nays Is beard made him the success that

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<v Speaker 1>you are. All right, We're back, and uh, we said,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about Billy Mays, the infomercial superstar,

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<v Speaker 1>the Pitchman. Pitchman. Yeah, um, a huge beard, I mean,

0:23:45.040 --> 0:23:49.000
<v Speaker 1>glossy black beard, the fullest beard I think I've ever

0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:51.720
<v Speaker 1>seen in my life. Not wizardy really, not like long,

0:23:51.880 --> 0:23:54.960
<v Speaker 1>but very very thick and prominent. Right. Yeah, yeah, he

0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:58.800
<v Speaker 1>was a pitchman for a bunch of different household cleaners,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that his beard contributed to his success.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is why A two thousand intense study in

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<v Speaker 1>the Journal of Marketing Communications found that men with beards

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<v Speaker 1>were deemed more credible than those who were clean shaven,

0:24:11.560 --> 0:24:15.359
<v Speaker 1>and the study showed participant pictures of men endorsing certain products. Now,

0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:17.399
<v Speaker 1>the products were kind of key to whether or not

0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:21.440
<v Speaker 1>there was any correlation of increased trust. So it turns

0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:23.920
<v Speaker 1>out that and then with beards had great We're seen

0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:27.399
<v Speaker 1>as having greater expertise and more trustworthy when they were

0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:32.480
<v Speaker 1>hawking things like cell phones and toothpaste. Okay, so they

0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:35.399
<v Speaker 1>were doing much better than the clean shaving guys in

0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:41.040
<v Speaker 1>that area, but not tidy Whitey's huh. Okay uh. Participants

0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:44.720
<v Speaker 1>preferred clean shaven. Then when it came to underwear, I

0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:48.040
<v Speaker 1>was thinking, perhaps it's subconscious the association of you know,

0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:50.439
<v Speaker 1>a lot of hair with underwear. And I know we're

0:24:50.480 --> 0:24:54.359
<v Speaker 1>getting into mercan territory here, but that might have something

0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:56.800
<v Speaker 1>to do with it. And I've never thought about this before,

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<v Speaker 1>about who do I prefer selling the underwear? U. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess I would prefer someone without a beard, um, but

0:25:02.960 --> 0:25:04.840
<v Speaker 1>but not so much. I mean, I guess it comes

0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:07.280
<v Speaker 1>down to if are you talking about an underwear model

0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:11.760
<v Speaker 1>or just an underwear pitchman, and is the pitchman wearing Um,

0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:14.280
<v Speaker 1>I think that they were talking about the pitchman as

0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:17.280
<v Speaker 1>the model. Okay, well I would, I guess, or maybe

0:25:17.320 --> 0:25:19.400
<v Speaker 1>that's a good question, that's a very good question. Well

0:25:19.960 --> 0:25:22.359
<v Speaker 1>maybe I'm just more attractive to beardless guys, because I

0:25:22.400 --> 0:25:24.719
<v Speaker 1>would I would want to be sold by underwear by

0:25:24.920 --> 0:25:29.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, they beardless underwear model, but a man with

0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:31.960
<v Speaker 1>a beard who is selling the underwear. But on the

0:25:32.040 --> 0:25:35.359
<v Speaker 1>package there was a clean shaven man. And now remember

0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:37.440
<v Speaker 1>the why is the bearded man there at all? Is

0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:41.040
<v Speaker 1>he the other underwear models fathers in a department store.

0:25:41.520 --> 0:25:45.720
<v Speaker 1>He has a stack of underwear, and he is next

0:25:45.760 --> 0:25:48.800
<v Speaker 1>to the clean shaven pitchman. They're both trying to sell

0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:52.560
<v Speaker 1>you underwear. I don't know that. Now, that's just a

0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:55.280
<v Speaker 1>tough decision. I'm going to go with a clean shaven

0:25:55.320 --> 0:25:57.280
<v Speaker 1>because I still stand by that. I think it's something

0:25:57.359 --> 0:26:03.199
<v Speaker 1>subconscious about a lot of hair and underwear. And then

0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:06.760
<v Speaker 1>other regions you may have something there. Somebody needs to

0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:10.679
<v Speaker 1>do a study. Clearly, there are enough people researching beards

0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:12.840
<v Speaker 1>and what beards mean. There's got to be room out

0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:15.040
<v Speaker 1>there and some available funding. Let's get out of this

0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:19.040
<v Speaker 1>uncomfortable territory and into beards and how they can contribute

0:26:19.040 --> 0:26:21.760
<v Speaker 1>to one's health. Yes, now this is pretty awesome. This uh,

0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:25.440
<v Speaker 1>this is some relatively new uh info that we have

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<v Speaker 1>to work with here two thousand twelve study, UH French study.

0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:32.359
<v Speaker 1>And they had an interesting theory here. All right, so

0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:35.200
<v Speaker 1>we're growing these beards, and we've talked about how the beard,

0:26:35.240 --> 0:26:39.919
<v Speaker 1>of course may provide some amount of protection against punches

0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:44.480
<v Speaker 1>to the face, how the beard may mask our ability

0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:49.200
<v Speaker 1>to communicate via our our facial features with the members

0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:52.119
<v Speaker 1>of our species make us a little more aggressive than

0:26:52.200 --> 0:26:55.240
<v Speaker 1>we actually maybe, but then to what if, to what

0:26:55.400 --> 0:26:58.840
<v Speaker 1>degree could they possibly be shielding us from horrible U

0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:01.760
<v Speaker 1>V ray? So this study decided to test it out.

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<v Speaker 1>So what they what do they do? They went and

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<v Speaker 1>they bought three mannequin heads, put them out in the sun.

0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:08.879
<v Speaker 1>On one of them they just left it beardless. On

0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:11.760
<v Speaker 1>the other they gave it a short beard, you know,

0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:14.200
<v Speaker 1>mild beard. And then the other one they gave it

0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:18.600
<v Speaker 1>long beard, big, long, thick beard. To see how these

0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:22.480
<v Speaker 1>mannequins are affected by the u V rays based on

0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:25.880
<v Speaker 1>their level of facial hair, and they found that beards

0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:31.600
<v Speaker 1>block of uv UV rays. Yes, okay, so of course

0:27:31.640 --> 0:27:35.360
<v Speaker 1>that would reduce your exposure to those rays and decrease

0:27:35.400 --> 0:27:39.960
<v Speaker 1>your chances of having skin cancer. Yeah, so a huge

0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:42.760
<v Speaker 1>health benefit, right, Yeah, And certainly it brings me back

0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:45.440
<v Speaker 1>to the you know, Tom hankson Castaway and he's getting

0:27:45.560 --> 0:27:48.040
<v Speaker 1>baked by the sun and growing that beard was probably

0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:50.440
<v Speaker 1>his only real choice at the time, but he you know,

0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:52.280
<v Speaker 1>it worked out for the best because it probably gave

0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:54.720
<v Speaker 1>him just a leg a little leg up on avoiding

0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:57.520
<v Speaker 1>skin cancer. Yeah. So, I mean you can see how

0:27:57.560 --> 0:28:00.240
<v Speaker 1>this would be a protective cover throughout the ages, right. Yeah.

0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:02.720
<v Speaker 1>If you're you're making your your life on the beach

0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:05.120
<v Speaker 1>out in the sun, maybe you should grow a beard.

0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:07.600
<v Speaker 1>Maybe that would help because you think about it that

0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:10.000
<v Speaker 1>you think of like a picture you've seen of particularly

0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:13.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking of like snowboard borders and the like. You know,

0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:16.560
<v Speaker 1>they'll have have the big beard and then they'll have

0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:18.959
<v Speaker 1>the big goggles and then the hat and that's basically

0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:20.640
<v Speaker 1>yet all you have to do is worry about the nose.

0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:22.320
<v Speaker 1>And if you were to wear say a pair of

0:28:22.560 --> 0:28:25.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, gradual Marx glasses or humpy hump glasses. On

0:28:25.160 --> 0:28:28.760
<v Speaker 1>top of that, you would have complete coverage and while

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:31.720
<v Speaker 1>what image you would be projecting, Yeah, pretty faculty, especially

0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:34.960
<v Speaker 1>if you went with the humpy hump up nose and

0:28:35.280 --> 0:28:37.960
<v Speaker 1>you know glasses instead. You know, I was thinking about

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:40.080
<v Speaker 1>the study in the mannequin heads, and I was thinking

0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:44.120
<v Speaker 1>about them in a field, and I immediately began to

0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:48.160
<v Speaker 1>imagine instead of body farms, we would have these mannequin

0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:53.400
<v Speaker 1>head farms, various growth patterns of facial hair on them,

0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:55.880
<v Speaker 1>and how disturbing that might be to walk up upon

0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:59.040
<v Speaker 1>and say, oh, well, you know, I've been I've been

0:28:59.120 --> 0:29:03.920
<v Speaker 1>watching the new Hannibal Electric TV show, which there are

0:29:03.920 --> 0:29:06.320
<v Speaker 1>things I really like about it. Um. I think that

0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:07.840
<v Speaker 1>the acting is great. I think the look of the

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:10.880
<v Speaker 1>show is great. I'm I'm less into some of the

0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 1>writing and the monster of the week scenario that they have.

0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:17.280
<v Speaker 1>So each episode seems to have to have a new

0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:20.840
<v Speaker 1>crazy invented serial killer. Yeah, they're gonna eventually start running

0:29:20.880 --> 0:29:22.880
<v Speaker 1>to start running out of ideas though, So I think

0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:25.800
<v Speaker 1>this could be one a killer who's who is inspired

0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:29.560
<v Speaker 1>by this survey. I mean, this study and finds the

0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:33.840
<v Speaker 1>heads of clean shaved, mildly bearded, and super bearded men

0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:35.680
<v Speaker 1>and then cut their heads off and leaves them out

0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:37.800
<v Speaker 1>in the field. Oh, like a researcher who was like,

0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:40.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's not enough to see what you know,

0:29:41.240 --> 0:29:46.600
<v Speaker 1>chemically based substance would absorb in terms of the sun's

0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:49.040
<v Speaker 1>UV rays. I want the real thing. Yeah, I don't

0:29:49.040 --> 0:29:53.120
<v Speaker 1>want any polymer in the subject. And so therefore I'm

0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:56.640
<v Speaker 1>going to take this study to the you know, the

0:29:56.800 --> 0:30:00.960
<v Speaker 1>inst degree in terms of I was going to the integrity. Yeah.

0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:03.240
<v Speaker 1>And also not really, this would be a great mad

0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:05.560
<v Speaker 1>scientist too, because we're used to models of mad scientists

0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:09.600
<v Speaker 1>where they get into morally ambiguous territory. They or they

0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:13.680
<v Speaker 1>start using human test subjects. But but generally they're trying

0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:15.960
<v Speaker 1>to go for something big. But you know, this would

0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:18.040
<v Speaker 1>be a great one because it's this is some low

0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:20.640
<v Speaker 1>hanging fruit. There's really no reason to go cutting the

0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:22.800
<v Speaker 1>heads off of people for it. But hey, they're mad,

0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:25.360
<v Speaker 1>that's what they do. Yeah. And if you for some reason,

0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:27.440
<v Speaker 1>if maybe you skipped ahead in the podcast and you

0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:31.400
<v Speaker 1>just got to this part doing that, why are you

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 1>listening to podcasts that way? That's not you're not going

0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:37.160
<v Speaker 1>to get a full spectrum there of information. Uh but yeah,

0:30:37.200 --> 0:30:40.400
<v Speaker 1>this this is just an a marriage imaginary circumstance here. Yeah,

0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:43.360
<v Speaker 1>but nobody is cutting off heads to really see what

0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:46.280
<v Speaker 1>the UV absorption example is. But if you if you

0:30:46.320 --> 0:30:48.000
<v Speaker 1>look up any of the articles about this study, you

0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:49.800
<v Speaker 1>do get to see a picture of these three mannequin

0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:52.160
<v Speaker 1>heads with their beards out in the middle of the

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:55.800
<v Speaker 1>sunny field, and it's, uh, it's a little creepy. Alright. Well,

0:30:55.960 --> 0:30:58.160
<v Speaker 1>researchers barn and B. J. Dickson, our friend that we

0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:01.880
<v Speaker 1>mentioned before, and Robert C. Brooks photographed ten men at

0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:04.760
<v Speaker 1>four stages of beard growth. We're talking about clean shaven,

0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:08.600
<v Speaker 1>five day light stubble, ten day heavy stubble, and then

0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:12.400
<v Speaker 1>fully bearded. Okay. Then they took three hundred and fifty

0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:15.800
<v Speaker 1>one women and one hundred and seventy seven men, had

0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:21.680
<v Speaker 1>them view photos and rate each face for attractiveness, masculinity, health,

0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:27.440
<v Speaker 1>and parenting ability. Here's the deal. Women ranked heavily stubbled

0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:30.760
<v Speaker 1>faces as the most attractive. Really, so that just that

0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:33.480
<v Speaker 1>just that level of I'm sort of growing a beard.

0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 1>I think they think it's really sexy, but they don't

0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:39.640
<v Speaker 1>know how itchy it actually is. I think maybe it's

0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:43.840
<v Speaker 1>where it's it's full enough, not quite a full grown beard,

0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:46.680
<v Speaker 1>but uh, grown out enough where it starts to soften.

0:31:47.360 --> 0:31:49.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna guess because that didn't that also, yeah, because

0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:53.480
<v Speaker 1>also isn't like really scratchy. It's like a burliopath. It's

0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:55.880
<v Speaker 1>the worst. It seems like it's bad for everyone. It's

0:31:55.920 --> 0:31:59.640
<v Speaker 1>gonna scratch the woman's face and then the man is

0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:01.840
<v Speaker 1>itching like crazy and thinking, why am I trying to

0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:04.160
<v Speaker 1>grow a beard again? This is why I shaved every

0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:06.360
<v Speaker 1>couple of days, although I'm sure for women there there

0:32:06.360 --> 0:32:12.000
<v Speaker 1>are some exfoliation benefits. Um. Okay, So participants said that

0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:14.920
<v Speaker 1>the clean shaven men the participants meaning the men and

0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:17.920
<v Speaker 1>the women, thought the clean shoven men looked about as

0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:21.040
<v Speaker 1>healthy and attractive as those with a full beard, but

0:32:21.360 --> 0:32:25.360
<v Speaker 1>they raided the bearded men higher for perceived parenting skills.

0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:31.880
<v Speaker 1>That was fascinating. Light stubble got the shaft, like, yeah,

0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:35.320
<v Speaker 1>just in general, so if you've got some white stubble, um,

0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:37.240
<v Speaker 1>you got the short of the step. Here. When I

0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:39.840
<v Speaker 1>say light stubble, that's that five day growth not quite

0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 1>there kind of spotty. Yeah, uh yeah, low scores exactly

0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:48.880
<v Speaker 1>like are you hungover? Are you what are you doing here?

0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:53.320
<v Speaker 1>Is there your homeless Well, although homeless beards can grow

0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:56.720
<v Speaker 1>to a great volume. So anyway, those are the results

0:32:57.000 --> 0:33:01.280
<v Speaker 1>of that particular study. Interesting. Um, yeah, And it's one

0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:03.400
<v Speaker 1>of those things where it gets so complicated when you

0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:06.560
<v Speaker 1>start thinking of beards, as you know, from from a

0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:10.480
<v Speaker 1>purely biological standpoint, and then from a cultural standpoint, and

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:12.320
<v Speaker 1>then when we factor other things on top of it,

0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:15.960
<v Speaker 1>because sometimes people will grow a beard. Is again part

0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:17.960
<v Speaker 1>of that idea that I am changing or I want

0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:20.880
<v Speaker 1>to change who I am, and I'm going to make

0:33:21.000 --> 0:33:23.720
<v Speaker 1>an outward show of this, uh and somehow tell the

0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:28.040
<v Speaker 1>world that I'm doing something, you know, like because somebody

0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:30.320
<v Speaker 1>will go through uh, you know, like a bad breakup

0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:32.160
<v Speaker 1>and then maybe they'll shave their head or they'll grow

0:33:32.200 --> 0:33:34.680
<v Speaker 1>out of beard, you know that that kind of thing. Um. So,

0:33:34.880 --> 0:33:37.479
<v Speaker 1>so it gets complicated with humans. Well, it's just Sampson

0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:42.560
<v Speaker 1>And although right didn't right when when he was clean shaven,

0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:44.840
<v Speaker 1>it was gone. Well then that goes into some very

0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:46.440
<v Speaker 1>old ideas. I was looking. I was reading in the

0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:50.080
<v Speaker 1>Brewer's Dictionary phrase and fable about the beards, and um,

0:33:50.240 --> 0:33:52.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, various cultures, there are all sorts of sayings

0:33:52.360 --> 0:33:54.880
<v Speaker 1>about like you know, if you take grab somebody about

0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:57.520
<v Speaker 1>a beard, it's like the ultimate insult. And it certainly

0:33:57.560 --> 0:33:59.520
<v Speaker 1>if you if you cut someone's beard, then it's just

0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:05.040
<v Speaker 1>the just an enormous upfront in in varying beard heavy cultures. Yeah, alright,

0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:08.920
<v Speaker 1>So just as as a little mental abstract here, think

0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:13.600
<v Speaker 1>about Zach galifin Nakis if he were to shave his beard,

0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:17.759
<v Speaker 1>how would you perceive some of his characters who have

0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:22.800
<v Speaker 1>been childlike? Uh, would get into creepy territory? Or is it?

0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:25.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, does the beard kind of helped him negate

0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:27.960
<v Speaker 1>some of the weirdness of those characters. I mean, it's

0:34:27.960 --> 0:34:29.839
<v Speaker 1>such a part of his look. It's it's I don't

0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:31.360
<v Speaker 1>know that I've ever seen a picture of him without it.

0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:33.960
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking that too, Yeah, but but I think

0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:36.759
<v Speaker 1>maybe it does. It does contribute to the act um

0:34:37.400 --> 0:34:39.480
<v Speaker 1>fear to shave his beard off. I don't know how

0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:42.120
<v Speaker 1>I would take it. I mean, also some you know,

0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:44.640
<v Speaker 1>some faces just work better with a beard. I think

0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:47.840
<v Speaker 1>that's it goes without saying true. Um, this is one

0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:49.800
<v Speaker 1>of the little tidbit that I found. I thought was

0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:53.560
<v Speaker 1>really interesting, and it is that some men who grow

0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:57.719
<v Speaker 1>out a beard or a mustache are surprised that their

0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:01.560
<v Speaker 1>facial hair is ginger colored. Oh, they're surprised if they're

0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:05.279
<v Speaker 1>not red headed, right, And that is because facial hair

0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:08.520
<v Speaker 1>allows expression of the normally recessive jeans for red hair

0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:11.480
<v Speaker 1>and very red skin. Interesting son pop up in those

0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:13.839
<v Speaker 1>areas of your face, but not on your head. Well,

0:35:13.920 --> 0:35:15.840
<v Speaker 1>and then of course it's a lot of times it

0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:19.520
<v Speaker 1>will grow out gray when you don't. Isn't really doing that,

0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:22.520
<v Speaker 1>and we'll reveal your secrets. And then the rare individual

0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:25.759
<v Speaker 1>will have the blonde beard, which I've always found kind

0:35:25.760 --> 0:35:29.400
<v Speaker 1>of fascinating because in a in a way it's almost invisible.

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<v Speaker 1>At first, I think of that as a very California beard. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a dude in my high school. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>remember his name, but this is a high school, and

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<v Speaker 1>he had like a full blonde beard. It was very impressive,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure. Yeah. Alright, so here's some interesting research for

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<v Speaker 1>you guys to ponder out there. But just to be clear,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not a free pass to grow a Gangs

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<v Speaker 1>of New York style handlebar mustache. Well, you know, that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's gonna be pretty treby in some areas. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>walk into Brooklyn with that and gets the right in.

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<v Speaker 1>I just feel like that's best left to Daniel day Lewis. Well, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you're right some people. I you know, I'm sorry, I

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<v Speaker 1>should probably not uh tell someone not to do that. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the thing about just a very specific choice. Well, the

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<v Speaker 1>mustache isn't is an interesting bit of facial hair because

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<v Speaker 1>it really almost seems like there's you got to take

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<v Speaker 1>it out a case by case situation. There are people

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<v Speaker 1>who grow a mustache and you're like, that was absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>the right call. Or they shave off their mustache and

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, that is wrong. Grow it back, um, Jimmy Buffett,

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<v Speaker 1>because you just don't look right without it. Um. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really gotta be a case by case It's true.

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps it's just my association with Bill the Butcher, Like

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<v Speaker 1>if I see that mustache, I think there's a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a menace to it. Yeah, it's a menacing mustache

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. Um alright, so there you go. Um. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't help but think though about some animals with facial hair,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was thinking that Grumpy Cat would totally sport

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<v Speaker 1>whole Cogan. You think the whole Cogan beard, which which mustache?

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<v Speaker 1>The mustache he for a while and maybe he still

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<v Speaker 1>has this. He had the blonde mustache, and then but

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<v Speaker 1>then he had stubble, a stubble beard that was dyed black.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was it was, you know, the combo diabolical. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>there's also an older image I found of him once

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<v Speaker 1>where he in this when he had a different moniker.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, but um, he had he was not waxing

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<v Speaker 1>his chest and he but he did have a heart

0:37:24.960 --> 0:37:27.960
<v Speaker 1>shaved into this chest. So hairy chest except for the

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<v Speaker 1>shape of a That is the ultimate act of hyper

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<v Speaker 1>masculinity right there, right like I have such a hairy

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<v Speaker 1>chest that I can now actually assume some femininity here

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<v Speaker 1>in my expression of emotions. He a heart? Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of There are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>interesting manscaping choices in the world of pro wrestling. I

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<v Speaker 1>tell you a beard we didn't mention. Have you seen

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<v Speaker 1>the Hunger Games movie? I have you know the West

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<v Speaker 1>Bentley beard that he has in that with all the

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<v Speaker 1>flames and that one is that one's one to think about.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure where I stand on that. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it's the future. So all right, well, there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a little insight into the science of the beard. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of cool studies out there, and

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<v Speaker 1>we highlighted some of the more interesting ones we think.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you've come across anything, let us know. There's

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<v Speaker 1>always new science brewing, uh, growing to the surface and uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And also we'd love to hear your thoughts about beards

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<v Speaker 1>in your life, your own beard, if you have one,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you feel it alters the value proposition of

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<v Speaker 1>of you the human? How does it alter your interactions

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<v Speaker 1>with those around you? Or if you are you're not bearded,

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<v Speaker 1>or even if you are, then then then how do

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