Speaker 1: Podcast starts. Now, what's up everyone around the world. This
Speaker 1: is Stradio Lab. It is a cloudy Is it cloudy? Oh?
Speaker 1: It's cloudy as hell. I mean maybe it's my LA
Speaker 1: sensibility where you know, I see a little cloud now
Speaker 1: and I say, oh God, it's cloudy. But I would
Speaker 1: argue it is cloudy outside.
Speaker 2: What do you think of Spring?
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so glad you asked least favorite season by
Speaker 1: far flop loser. I think I think spring is a
Speaker 1: is a prison sentence. Yeah, yeah, I think it's it's
Speaker 1: edging in the worst way. I think you never feel
Speaker 1: joy until May. And I think, you know, I remember
Speaker 1: just looking at the leaves and being like, go faster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, here's my opinion. You know, I, you and I.
Speaker 2: One of the things we have in commedist that we're
Speaker 2: both summer girls. To quote Danielle him and I think,
Speaker 2: and we come alive in the summer. We are both beachy,
Speaker 2: we both love a pool, we both love reading by
Speaker 2: a body of water, and of course that part of
Speaker 2: me is still there.
Speaker 1: You're getting choked up.
Speaker 2: I'm getting choked up just thinking about it. I more
Speaker 2: and more the summer peak tourist season is like peaking
Speaker 2: more than it ever has, to the point where I'm
Speaker 2: afraid to do anything summary in the actual months of
Speaker 2: July and August, and that has actually forced me to
Speaker 2: start valuing late spring and early fall more. I know
Speaker 2: exactly what you mean, and it is confusing to me
Speaker 2: because when I now think of July and August, normally
Speaker 2: my favorite, I'm feeling a sense of entrapment. I am
Speaker 2: feeling a sense of uh, does you know, sort of
Speaker 2: like hope deferred, Like it will never be what it
Speaker 2: once was, and I have to start romanticizing late May,
Speaker 2: early June, and in fact mid September.
Speaker 1: I say yes to mid September. Yeah, late May, early June.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be chilly, Like it's just like you can't
Speaker 1: be at a beach and be comfortable. So I literally think, so, yes,
Speaker 1: sometimes you'll get like the off day. But like I
Speaker 1: have tried for years to be like summer starts June first,
Speaker 1: and I have been burned by being cold so many
Speaker 1: times because it doesn't start June first. It starts like
Speaker 1: June thirtieth, which is my birthday.
Speaker 2: But don't you find that when you are planning something
Speaker 2: for peak summer months. I don't know. Maybe I just
Speaker 2: need to like be more bold and be like, you
Speaker 2: know what, I am going to be one of the
Speaker 2: bodies that is crowding Fire Island.
Speaker 1: George, you cannot be afraid to take up space. Really,
Speaker 1: I think you really have to lean into I hear you.
Speaker 1: You're just your desire to be alt is like, you know,
Speaker 1: pushing over your desire to have fun and be in
Speaker 1: a nice place. But you just have to you know,
Speaker 1: my theory on Mondays? What is it that even if
Speaker 1: you're on vacation on a Monday, it's still a Monday,
Speaker 1: and you can't break free from the Monday feeling.
Speaker 2: And you're saying, even if I'm on vacation in May,
Speaker 2: it's still May, and I can't break free of the
Speaker 2: mail literally. Okay, so you're sort of following a more
Speaker 2: literal approach, a more formalist It's like May is May,
Speaker 2: July is Friday. Men are men, women are women.
Speaker 1: You know that's not what I'm saying, George. You know
Speaker 1: that's not what I'm saying. July is Friday. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you have to be like, well, it's Friday, I'm going
Speaker 1: to the beach. I guess you're not convinced.
Speaker 2: You know. What I'm bumping up against is like, there
Speaker 2: are only so many months, and it really saddens me
Speaker 2: that we'll never get new ones. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I'm not getting what I want out of the existing months,
Speaker 2: and and you and it should. You would think in
Speaker 2: the world we're living in, with so much innovation in
Speaker 2: the fields of science, technology, et cetera, you could invent
Speaker 2: a new month that is perfect and that it's both
Speaker 2: the perfect weather and not crowded.
Speaker 1: George, do you think it exists?
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 1: It's international travel?
Speaker 2: Oh you're saying, okay, go to Australia.
Speaker 1: I'm literally saying, go to Australia, go to South America,
Speaker 1: go to Mexic Like I think, I think. You know.
Speaker 1: This was what I was starting to feel in New York,
Speaker 1: where I was like, I the way that summer I
Speaker 1: need every waking second to be the best second of
Speaker 1: my life was starting to be problematic, right. I couldn't
Speaker 1: sustain that. I was getting disappointed because some seconds were bad.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, wait, wait, what if I
Speaker 1: started taking trips more, which I didn't do, I didn't
Speaker 1: get to live up to that. I unfortunately but it's
Speaker 1: still I have the solution all played out.
Speaker 2: Okay, so it's uh, you got to spending money? Well okay,
Speaker 2: so classically you know you want something, what's the solution
Speaker 2: being able to afford it?
Speaker 1: Quite literally? All right?
Speaker 2: Should we bring out I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do the honors?
Speaker 2: Okay. We are so excited to have him on. You know,
Speaker 2: we haven't had a musician on in so long. What
Speaker 2: was the last one we had on?
Speaker 1: You can't ask me.
Speaker 2: I can't even remember.
Speaker 1: Have we ever had one on?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, the first musician we've ever met, Liam Bensby.
Speaker 3: Hello, how's it going. It's great. I'm so happy to
Speaker 3: be here.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, we are so happy to have you.
Speaker 2: How is What do you think about the months?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: Yeah, while I was listening, I was thinking about, Uh,
Speaker 3: there was like one year where I insisted on going
Speaker 3: to the beach immediately on June first. But it was
Speaker 3: very like I have an eating disorder, I need to
Speaker 3: like bike here every single day, or like I it
Speaker 3: was like very something's going on in my head, like
Speaker 3: I was dealing with something. Yeah, so I haven't done
Speaker 3: that since.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I almost think the disappointment of the first
Speaker 2: beach day is like good to tamper down your expectation.
Speaker 2: It's like it humbles you and then you can enjoy summer.
Speaker 2: It's almost like an initiation richly, where like the first
Speaker 2: beach day has to be a little bit like, oh wait,
Speaker 2: this is what you've been waiting, this is what we've
Speaker 2: been looking forward to, and then the second time you go,
Speaker 2: you're like, all right, I'll bring a book, it'll be fine.
Speaker 1: You know what I did last year that was a
Speaker 1: huge mistake. Which is why I feel so passionate about
Speaker 1: this now, is I did all my little trips in June.
Speaker 1: From June first to June thirtyth I was doing little
Speaker 1: trips and all of them were cloudy and bad, and
Speaker 1: it was like, of course I shouldn't have tried to
Speaker 1: do them all in June. What was I thinking start
Speaker 1: in July.
Speaker 3: Are you the type of person that has something planned
Speaker 3: to do or do you kind of revel in the
Speaker 3: nothing of vacation.
Speaker 1: I revel in the nothing of vacation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's me too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually really stressful to me because now all
Speaker 1: the trips I've ever gone on have been like to
Speaker 1: Fire Island, Oh my.
Speaker 2: God, we're being interrupted. I said, I did not want.
Speaker 1: This to happen. Thank you. Oh wow, this is the
Speaker 1: best day of my life.
Speaker 2: Oh my god to have blue bottle coffee.
Speaker 1: You. Oh my gosh, thank you.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Cheers you guys.
Speaker 1: Cheers. Seriously, you guys.
Speaker 3: Putting the iced coffee in the paper cup is is
Speaker 3: a flex.
Speaker 2: I actually want to know what you think about, because
Speaker 2: this is something I've noticed more and more and I
Speaker 2: can't decide if I find it almost cheek, there is
Speaker 2: something a little like business woman about it, or if
Speaker 2: I find it to be absolutely morally abhorrent, because that
Speaker 2: doesn't go there.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like a school uniform. Yeah, yeah, like
Speaker 3: everybody the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then sometimes they'll put a straw inside the sippy cup.
Speaker 1: Uh huh mmm. I'm kind of anty, you're antie. I
Speaker 1: don't think these cups were made for this, and I
Speaker 1: think it's a poor reflection on the cups. It makes
Speaker 1: me feel like like the cup is doing a bad job,
Speaker 1: when really it's just not made.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm noticing a pattern I think today we'll
Speaker 2: do is that you think things are made for what
Speaker 2: they're made for, and you think there should be no experimentation.
Speaker 2: There should be no innovation. If someone you know goes
Speaker 2: on vacation in May, or if someone puts ice coffee
Speaker 2: in a hot coffee cup, you are calling nine one
Speaker 2: one and you are saying, thank god you are well funded,
Speaker 2: because I need you here today.
Speaker 1: I need you hear asap. I think experimentation can happen,
Speaker 1: you know. I think every coffee place should have a
Speaker 1: sense of play, you know, I think this. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: that being said, once you experiment and you find out like, oh,
Speaker 1: that didn't really work as well as I thought it would,
Speaker 1: then you go back and then you say, Okay, that
Speaker 1: was a fun little journey. I'll never go on vacation
Speaker 1: in June again.
Speaker 2: But isn't sort of punk rock DIY culture kind of
Speaker 2: finding the beauty and the imperfect?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? Literally no, it's not.
Speaker 3: What's the most punk month?
Speaker 1: Oh? Whoa fuck? Wow?
Speaker 2: All right? What is the most punk month?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: I think my brain jumps to a colder month, but
Speaker 1: I do think like October has Halloween, of course, and
Speaker 1: there's sort of the like people put out decorations, decorations,
Speaker 1: destroyers like Avril Levine being punk, Well, I think she's valid.
Speaker 2: Do you think.
Speaker 3: Avrilvin is valid as a punk yeah? Or valid in general?
Speaker 2: I think yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean I was. I was a big head back
Speaker 3: in the day. My stepdad a long time ago worked
Speaker 3: at Good Morning America when I was a kid, and
Speaker 3: he would bring me to like the seven AM concerts,
Speaker 3: so I got to like kind of make signs and
Speaker 3: like meet a lot of my idols at the time,
Speaker 3: and she was one of them, and I got to
Speaker 3: make her a sign. That was really cool.
Speaker 1: That's so cool.
Speaker 2: But here's a question for you, because I also, of course,
Speaker 2: as a young gay kid, loved Avril Levine, but it
Speaker 2: was not allowed to like, like you were not allowed
Speaker 2: to love Avri Levine, so too, it was not it
Speaker 2: was not cool.
Speaker 1: It's like who's conservative now?
Speaker 2: Did you feel like you could openly love ever Levine?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you did.
Speaker 3: Okay, because I felt like I was young enough it
Speaker 3: was like Avril Lavine, Well, it was okay for me
Speaker 3: to do that because I was also like a huge
Speaker 3: psycho obsessed with the Strokes person when I was younger,
Speaker 3: So I had that kind of like tipping the scale
Speaker 3: like altness that I could like I could fall back
Speaker 3: into Avril if I needed.
Speaker 2: To you have every old thing, every real thing you like.
Speaker 2: You collect Avrilavine coins and you can spend on Aril
Speaker 2: fans exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: You do need to have a pillar of genuine cool
Speaker 1: and then you're allowed to be silly.
Speaker 3: That girl can sing.
Speaker 2: Oh I love. I just remember at the time, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, this is because I have foreign parents
Speaker 2: and I don't have older siblings, so like, I don't
Speaker 2: know what, I don't know where to, I have no
Speaker 2: context for anything. And I remember every art musical artist
Speaker 2: I would like, I would then immediately find out they
Speaker 2: were considered lame. I'd be like, I love Simple Plan
Speaker 2: because I saw them on MTV and I like love
Speaker 2: the video where they're like the ceiling is crumbling around them.
Speaker 2: And then people would be like, that's the lamest band.
Speaker 2: That's like the one band you shouldn't like.
Speaker 3: Thoughts, what are they listening to?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think okay, so here's what it was, and
Speaker 2: this is gonna sound insane now. The quol kids were
Speaker 2: listening to Dave Matthews band and it was cool that
Speaker 2: they knew what that was.
Speaker 3: That's so like Big Sister.
Speaker 2: It's literally bragging about having context for America. It's like
Speaker 2: it's being like you're an immigrant. I like Dave Matthews,
Speaker 2: and there were you know, we didn't have Google. I
Speaker 2: mean there was Google, but the idea that I would
Speaker 2: understand what Dave Matthews like, I could not buy myself
Speaker 2: without help understand the significance of Dave Matthew's man.
Speaker 1: Well, one thing that is sort of not talked about
Speaker 1: is that like frat culture did was cool for like
Speaker 1: middle school and high schoolers because you were like, that's
Speaker 1: what college kids like. So there was like a value
Speaker 1: system of being like like it was cool to like
Speaker 1: Dave Matthews and like oaar like like, oh, that would
Speaker 1: be awesome if I like them, and but it didn't
Speaker 1: ever speak to me in a real way.
Speaker 3: It really feels like I'm the camp counselor and you're
Speaker 3: the camper and I like Dave Matthews and totally yeah,
Speaker 3: and then my CD case.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But I do think there were there must have
Speaker 1: been kids in your Jersey school that thought like simple
Speaker 1: plan was cool.
Speaker 2: Not the cool ones.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but that's also because I think cool in
Speaker 1: a place like that is is just rich.
Speaker 2: Can I say something another? No, is the thing I actually,
Speaker 2: like I I wish it was that simple, but it was.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: There was literally a hierarchy of cool and I just
Speaker 2: couldn't crack it. Here's another example. I first time I
Speaker 2: heard my Immortal by a Vanescence, I said, this girl
Speaker 2: has pipes. This is a great band. Come to find
Speaker 2: out that was also illegal at my school.
Speaker 1: I just can't.
Speaker 3: It's like, how care, Yeah you guess what is legal?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Were you at a preppy school?
Speaker 2: I was at a preppy school.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, then that makes sense.
Speaker 2: But but then the old kids were somehow knowledgeable, Like
Speaker 2: even the kids that would have liked Vanessence were somehow
Speaker 2: knowledgeable enough to like Black Sabbath, you know.
Speaker 1: What I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah yeah, And.
Speaker 2: So it was I was like the sort of you know,
Speaker 2: kind of like I was just fed whatever whatever MTV
Speaker 2: was feeding me. I was immediately slopping up, and they
Speaker 2: were like, god, how pedestrian.
Speaker 3: There was this really interesting subculture when I was in
Speaker 3: high school of like kids that dressed like they were
Speaker 3: heavy metal. Like it was it like kind of verged
Speaker 3: into skater territory or punk territory. But it was very
Speaker 3: like David Lee Roth, like like heavy metal like pop
Speaker 3: metal band, but they like all rolled together and like
Speaker 3: had a harem of girls that were just kind of like,
Speaker 3: we're all losing opportunity tonight. And it was so like
Speaker 3: and I don't see that anymore. I know, Like, now,
Speaker 3: what is.
Speaker 2: Are you plugged into youth culture?
Speaker 1: I don't know?
Speaker 3: Asked me a question I have, Like I'm on TikTok.
Speaker 2: I like, yeah, TikTok, but I was I had a
Speaker 2: pretty jarring what is the Dave Matthews band of Now?
Speaker 2: What is the sort of older what is the sort
Speaker 2: of like the thing that your older sibling would introduce
Speaker 2: you to that would make you cool? You know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Because now the Internet is so prominent,
Speaker 1: older siblings don't gatekeep anymore. We need to bring back
Speaker 1: the gate keepers.
Speaker 2: I mean I've said this forever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, God, I don't know.
Speaker 2: You went to a year from New York, right, so you
Speaker 2: were around, Like were you going to shows?
Speaker 3: I was. I was dating a musician when I was
Speaker 3: in high school who is much older than me. Oh,
Speaker 3: I know it's scandalous.
Speaker 2: Is a huge celebrity.
Speaker 3: No, but I would go. I like learned a lot
Speaker 3: about how to be on stage from being like a
Speaker 3: roadie basically for this band, and I would go out
Speaker 3: all night and like do do fun things that I
Speaker 3: wasn't supposed to do?
Speaker 2: Were you doing?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Do you know it's funny that that's just like true,
Speaker 1: like when you grew up in New York. That's just
Speaker 1: like what happens. Is it like embarrassing when like you
Speaker 1: meet like a twenty three year old who just moved here,
Speaker 1: who's like, I want to fucking go out because you're like,
Speaker 1: what are you twelve? Exactly?
Speaker 3: But also like I went to college in Minneapolis, so
Speaker 3: did this kind of like personality one eighty for four
Speaker 3: years and kind of like unlearned everything that I had
Speaker 3: like built up in New York for credibility. And then
Speaker 3: I moved back to New York immediately afterwards and had
Speaker 3: to unlearn my personality one eighty and like and become
Speaker 3: who I was four years prior.
Speaker 2: Did you specifically want to be in a non New
Speaker 2: York environment?
Speaker 3: Yeah, The tuition was super cheap, which was like the
Speaker 3: main reason. But I also was like this is.
Speaker 2: So random of me, Like this is going hunting on
Speaker 2: all of.
Speaker 3: My cool friends. I was doing rebelling against this.
Speaker 2: Much like the idea that Dave Matthew's band is cool.
Speaker 2: There's something about being a New York kid. I've noticed
Speaker 2: that many people who grew up in New York where
Speaker 2: they almost fetishize like middle class suburbia totally because it's
Speaker 2: like something it's their version of someone not from New York.
Speaker 2: Watching you know, Harmony Krin's kids or something. It's like
Speaker 2: it's like, oh my god, they're doing what they're going
Speaker 2: to malls.
Speaker 3: No, totally did feel like a culture shock. Uh yeah.
Speaker 3: But also I was so like head to toe black,
Speaker 3: like like look at my metro card, like kind of
Speaker 3: like you were such a snob about it, Like the first.
Speaker 2: Card was like like oh it just fell out, Like
Speaker 2: I just have to get around back where I'm from.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I would like I had like a mini
Speaker 3: fridge in my dorm that literally just had ginger ale
Speaker 3: and rum in it, and I would just have my
Speaker 3: friends over and I would like play like pull up
Speaker 3: my iTunes library and like, oh, I bet you entertained.
Speaker 2: So many songs that what was what was on the roster,
Speaker 2: what was on the iTunes library?
Speaker 3: Gosh, I was so obsessed with Animal Collective and Blonde
Speaker 3: Redhead and that kind of stuff. Yeah, so like like
Speaker 3: stoner music kind of yeah.
Speaker 1: God, indie rock and call. I know, I didn't quite
Speaker 1: like it.
Speaker 2: Wait, I almost this is a hard pivot, but I'm
Speaker 2: almost like, before we do our first segment, should we do?
Speaker 2: You want to like promote stuff now so that we
Speaker 2: can like get everyone listening, you know, and then we
Speaker 2: do segments.
Speaker 3: Whatever whatever you think I can do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I put out a record in September called and
Speaker 3: His Splash Band that was so good, Thank you, and
Speaker 3: that was really fun to make, and I toured it
Speaker 3: around and now I'm mostly just writing well and new stuff.
Speaker 3: And I released the Covers EP where I covered some
Speaker 3: of my favorite songs.
Speaker 2: You know, have you listened to the Sabrina Carpenter cover?
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: I covered Sabrina, which I met Sabrina too, which was
Speaker 3: really cool. I played this like Jack Antonov benefit thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's note you guys, please donate, and that's what
Speaker 2: you're here to promote tonight. Please donate, Please donate. Is
Speaker 2: not doing well that album is.
Speaker 1: I can hear the beeping of the hospital right now.
Speaker 3: No, but I remember she was He did a really
Speaker 3: nice thing where he was like, Sabrina like Liam covered
Speaker 3: you and I kind of just usually when I'm kind
Speaker 3: of at a loss for words, I just say like
Speaker 3: it's beautiful, like you know, like I say something like
Speaker 3: really earnest like that I don't necessarily wouldn't have necessarily
Speaker 3: come naturally to me. But she was like, taste is
Speaker 3: beautiful and I was like, yeah, I think it's a
Speaker 3: really beautiful song. She's like, I've never heard that before
Speaker 3: from anyone.
Speaker 1: He's like, so you've never heard it. She's like, so
Speaker 1: you're not listening.
Speaker 3: And then I was like guards and then I pulled
Speaker 3: out no.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was like it sounds like the Doobie Brothers to me,
Speaker 3: and that's what I said to her, I mean, and
Speaker 3: she was like yeah, and we like talked about Michael McDonald.
Speaker 3: It was very weird.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 3: She's really She's really cool.
Speaker 1: I was wondering this actually, like what is your relationship
Speaker 1: to like I feel like the lines between like indie
Speaker 1: and like pop are more blurred these days, and like
Speaker 1: when you like, what how do you view like the
Speaker 1: pop girls?
Speaker 3: I I like the pop girls. I wanna I love
Speaker 3: I love Pink Pantheress I love ethel Caine.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, we love it.
Speaker 3: I love who I consider like. I think Charlie's great,
Speaker 3: I think Sabrina's great. I think they're all cool. I
Speaker 3: like I think that there's like a freak factor drought
Speaker 3: in music right now, like where, which is why I
Speaker 3: like so like the Gaga record, like I love, I
Speaker 3: like it. I love her because of her like talent,
Speaker 3: and I don't even like I wouldn't necessarily like love
Speaker 3: all her music, but ippreciate that she has the gall
Speaker 3: to like be so musical theater with like abrikadabra or something,
Speaker 3: and like no one else really has the gall necessarily,
Speaker 3: and like, I just want a freak so bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough because the Charlie did to an extent,
Speaker 2: the like whole Brat era could have ushered in a
Speaker 2: more freak forward pop landscape, but I actually sort of
Speaker 2: don't think it did. And I think everyone who attempted
Speaker 2: to emulate the Brat thing. I mean, I'm immediately thinking
Speaker 2: of like Katie Perry trying to be Camilla and Camilla
Speaker 2: like it never felt quite authentic.
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, have you heard the new Selena Gomez song that's.
Speaker 3: Like Charlie song. Yeah she wrote it, but it's like
Speaker 3: so good. Yeah, no, I'm I'm glad Charlie is getting
Speaker 3: her flowers. Yeah, like yeah, lots of people have said that.
Speaker 1: I watched like the end of her Coachella thing on
Speaker 1: the internet. Oh yeah, and it was so I was
Speaker 1: still like, I because you think you're gonna get tired
Speaker 1: of it and you're like, no, this is so fun.
Speaker 1: Like it's just like you know, text being like what
Speaker 1: am I doing? I'm should I still be doing? Brat?
Speaker 1: Is this embarrassing?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And it was like I was like, this is great,
Speaker 1: that's cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Catherine was saying she was like, it's good that the
Speaker 2: coolest person is is a millennial. Like that's like, oh wait,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's like, oh and for
Speaker 2: now at least we have we have that totally.
Speaker 1: That's a really good point.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's do it.
Speaker 1: First segment.
Speaker 2: Our first segment is called straight Shooters, and in this segment,
Speaker 2: we ask you a series of rapid fire questions to
Speaker 2: gauge your familiarity with incomplicity and straight culture. You have
Speaker 2: to choose one thing or another thing you have to
Speaker 2: go with your gut and the one rule is you
Speaker 2: can't ask any follow up questions about how the game works,
Speaker 2: and if you do, it will be so.
Speaker 3: Angry with you. I'm gonna try my best, good George, you.
Speaker 2: Go first, though, speaking out or chasing clout, chasing clout,
Speaker 2: sloppy seconds or yester years yester years, subway delays or
Speaker 2: birthday malays, subway delays.
Speaker 1: Living your truth or living in Duluth.
Speaker 3: Uh, living in Duluth.
Speaker 2: St him or my bestie Sium.
Speaker 1: My bestI Sium for sure mind similar coping mechanisms or
Speaker 1: hoping for orgasisms, hoping for orgasisms definitely.
Speaker 2: Breaking up Monopoly power or waking up aboard the Mayflower.
Speaker 3: Wow, breaking up Monopoly.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's try at Coachella Wow. Okay. We rank everyone's
Speaker 2: performance on the scale of zero to one thousand Doves
Speaker 2: of Grass, but now we to zero to one thousand
Speaker 2: Blades of Grass.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if it's catching on yet. I
Speaker 2: guess we'll see no.
Speaker 1: But I like that we're growing and changing.
Speaker 2: It's very iconic to choose the single least discussed song
Speaker 2: on the album Blades of Grass all love to make
Speaker 2: the name of our our segment.
Speaker 1: That's that's really well, yes, what else would we do? Okay,
Speaker 1: zombie boys? Yo.
Speaker 2: I mean there is something about zero one thousand doves
Speaker 2: that really rolled off the tug. But I'm getting used
Speaker 2: to blades of grass. And I also like the idea
Speaker 2: that we would give someone a gift of here you
Speaker 2: seven hundred blades of grass.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some thousand shadows of Yeah, let's.
Speaker 2: Do for this one. Let's do zero to one thousand
Speaker 2: shadows of a man.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm going to go ahead and say seven.
Speaker 3: Shadows of the can Congratulations, okay, And I can't ask why. Okay, Well,
Speaker 3: we bask.
Speaker 2: I thought you did a great job. We rank it
Speaker 2: based on performance.
Speaker 1: It's basically a performance.
Speaker 2: Based I would say, you were so confident and you
Speaker 2: were so like chill about it, and it was like
Speaker 2: you had done it before. I guess I would say
Speaker 2: it was almost like you were chill dambing us in
Speaker 2: the sense that you were like not impressed with and
Speaker 2: yeah you were like okay, yeah, it was sort of
Speaker 2: like you were like, all right, it went too quick. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think you know, sometimes we appreciate a little a
Speaker 2: little like.
Speaker 3: You know, I've been I'm in the practice or in
Speaker 3: the in the occupation of tokenizing myself as gay guys
Speaker 3: surrounded by straight band boys. So you know, I have
Speaker 3: to I have to be the chill do I see?
Speaker 1: That must be.
Speaker 3: Hard, you know, yeah, yeah, what is your what is.
Speaker 2: It is difficult? What is your strategy for being the
Speaker 2: only gay guy in the room?
Speaker 3: Sometimes, well, you I feel like, uh, actually, most recently,
Speaker 3: on this tour that I did in Europe, I was
Speaker 3: touring with this band of straight guys and they were
Speaker 3: all toring together, but I was toying by myself. So
Speaker 3: I truly would not have uttered a word to a
Speaker 3: single person on my travel day to arrive at the venue,
Speaker 3: and then I would get into the green room and
Speaker 3: I would be like, gab, gab, gab, gab, gap, like
Speaker 3: not stop, like clown show. And that's I think where
Speaker 3: I I end up. So you were kind of going,
Speaker 3: like entertainer, I do become diva and I become kind
Speaker 3: of crass and sassy, and and they love it. They
Speaker 3: love to hear it. Yeah, I'm smacking them on the ass.
Speaker 3: I'm saying show me your cock.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, fun stuff like that.
Speaker 2: We do that at the iHeart Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, totally. That hallway that you walk to get the
Speaker 3: tunnel of hits actually, if I was, if I was hungover, no,
Speaker 3: it hurts, it hurts.
Speaker 2: It's enough to make your turn around and walk back.
Speaker 1: You have to be strong to get through.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, cool.
Speaker 2: Should we get into straight topic?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm very curious what your straight topic?
Speaker 2: What's your straight topic? And what do you think is
Speaker 2: straight about it?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 3: So I think okay, So hobbies like hobbies that you
Speaker 3: uh do in public? I walking the streets of New
Speaker 3: York lately have been seeing a lot of yo yo's
Speaker 3: happening from amongst boys and men, and then and then
Speaker 3: more men more recently stunting on me with ball and cup.
Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1: You know exactly what you're talking about. Like balling cup
Speaker 1: is the old school style game.
Speaker 3: The Depression era wooden toy.
Speaker 1: They try to get a ball on a string into a.
Speaker 3: Cup, into a cup, and they're just kind.
Speaker 2: Of casually like yeah.
Speaker 3: Talking to their friends with the ball and cup.
Speaker 2: And these are how are they? How are they dressed?
Speaker 3: They're dressed like, you know, like wife beater, Yeah, the
Speaker 3: flannel like uh like skater legged pants, white legged pants
Speaker 3: or it's kind of more on like the metro like
Speaker 3: uh espresso, espresso cup, skateboard like uh earing thing.
Speaker 2: Ye, sort of like scene could be located in any
Speaker 2: major American or European city.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like if men's wear. It's like an offshoot
Speaker 3: of like bay Blades, but yeah, right they're listed like, well,
Speaker 3: I don't want to give that yet.
Speaker 1: That's the big thing is that it is like fidgeting
Speaker 1: for the last decade has been huge. Yeah, like bay Blades,
Speaker 1: the fidget spinners. Ye, it's been very cool to have
Speaker 1: a little toy with you. Yeah if you were like twelve,
Speaker 1: ten years ago and now you're twenty two and you're
Speaker 1: like cool, and you're like, well, I still got to
Speaker 1: play with my toy.
Speaker 3: No exactly, I sti't need to play with my toy
Speaker 3: and I can't give you my full attention. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: This is such a rich topic because it's the intersection
Speaker 2: of so much stuff around the crisis and masculinity. So
Speaker 2: on the one hand, we have the return to analog.
Speaker 2: It's a sort of you know, Vinyl Resurgence adjacent type thing, like,
Speaker 2: of course I'm going to play with wooden toys rather
Speaker 2: than an iPhone app, So there's that. Then there is
Speaker 2: a sort of I'm sorry to say this, but a
Speaker 2: sort of performance of autism that I find is like
Speaker 2: conscious among men who almost like want to show you
Speaker 2: how little they care totally, so they're just like it's
Speaker 2: almost an extension of like the businessman having a little
Speaker 2: basketball hoop in his office and doing that while he's
Speaker 2: in a meeting with a woman. Yeah, but it's the
Speaker 2: contemporary skater version of that.
Speaker 1: M M.
Speaker 2: Then there is the kind of semi ironic back to
Speaker 2: baby movement, which is like grown men in their thirties
Speaker 2: dressing and acting like babies almost as a way to
Speaker 2: like reject It's almost like a response to frankly like wokeness.
Speaker 2: It's like, rather than caring about the election, I'm in
Speaker 2: a crib, Like i am literally like I'm wearing clothes
Speaker 2: that do not fit me, and I'm like walking in
Speaker 2: the middle of the street because I just like don't really,
Speaker 2: I'm going to all the sidewalk and I'm playing with
Speaker 2: you know, up toy for babies.
Speaker 3: Do you think that it's about being seen though, like
Speaker 3: about others or is that gay?
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing is like it is it is
Speaker 2: about being seen, but you don't have the courage to
Speaker 2: do something to be a diva. You don't have the
Speaker 2: courage to like walk walk into a room and start belting.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: What would be really gay is if like they were
Speaker 3: just like dragging the ball behind and it wasn't going
Speaker 3: in the cup and their.
Speaker 1: Dad was like play with it. Yeah, like no, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think there's also something where it is like you're
Speaker 1: trying to show that you're part of the group. Like
Speaker 1: that's part of it too, where you're like I remember
Speaker 1: like hacky sack culture and really sort of wanting to
Speaker 1: be like, well, maybe I could be into hacky sack culture,
Speaker 1: Like I could immediately have four friends if I just
Speaker 1: we're into this a little bit, and so it's like
Speaker 1: a quick way into friendship. Yeah, that obviously is a
Speaker 1: little bit sad, but at the same time, you know,
Speaker 1: it's better than no way into friendship.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, baby, performance maybe performance.
Speaker 2: There's also it's like all of it comes down to
Speaker 2: like can you believe I'm doing this?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Okay, I fully I wonder
Speaker 1: how you'll feel about this as someone in uh sort
Speaker 1: of music indie circles where I feel like that's such
Speaker 1: a thing, though, is to like have a thing that
Speaker 1: is like oh, that's like blah blah blah, he blows
Speaker 1: bubbles all the time, like and it's like I remember
Speaker 1: those guys, Like I meet guys that were like, oh
Speaker 1: he like dresses like that, I know, and you like
Speaker 1: have to have a thing.
Speaker 3: It used to be like heroin total it would have
Speaker 3: been like actually cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now it's macha No exactly, No, it does it
Speaker 2: almost It's like the character in the Prince's Diaries, the
Speaker 2: love interest who plays the piano when there's m and
Speaker 2: ms on it, you know what I mean. Or it's
Speaker 2: like Zachary Quipto and Girls where he just has a
Speaker 2: tooth brush in his mouth.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, totally.
Speaker 3: No, totally, huh. I love it. I love that it
Speaker 3: is kind of deeply anti social. Yes, it's deeply anti.
Speaker 2: Social, and it's just like another way. It's like another fuck.
Speaker 2: It's actually like the same as a businessman being on
Speaker 2: his phone doing emails, but you're just doing the old
Speaker 2: version of that.
Speaker 3: No, totally. I talk about this with my therapist a lot,
Speaker 3: where I want to be like more cavalier and kind
Speaker 3: of and I kind of associate like walking around with
Speaker 3: the toothbrush in your mouth to be cavalier. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: kind of eccentric and yeah yeah, and I've always wanted
Speaker 3: to be more of that. No, you like watch like
Speaker 3: old Courtney Love interviews and stuff and be like, well,
Speaker 3: she's like one of the smartest people in the world,
Speaker 3: but like she just like stuff like that and pick
Speaker 3: something that is my thing.
Speaker 1: Totally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I wonder where is the line between when
Speaker 2: you see Corney Love doing that, it's so incredible and
Speaker 2: seems so authentic, and when you see a guy in
Speaker 2: Dimes Square that's like yo yo ing, You're like, I
Speaker 2: want to punch him in the face. Yeah, And what
Speaker 2: is it that, Like, what is the difference? I mean,
Speaker 2: other than you know, whatever one is.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of them are rich kids, and
Speaker 3: I feel like, if you're rich, it's your responsibility to
Speaker 3: flaunt it and be like a dandy, like a fancy guy,
Speaker 3: you know. And if you're not a fancy guy, then
Speaker 3: like then you don't deserve you don't deserve to be
Speaker 3: a fancy guy. Like it's like totally like why are
Speaker 3: you playing with a wooden toy?
Speaker 2: Like right, right, right, right, you should be like in
Speaker 2: a three piece suit and a pipe totally like I
Speaker 2: would be so under tipping away that like weird.
Speaker 3: Like haberdasherie like culture. Like uh, okay, so maybe kind
Speaker 3: of cooler than.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you for bringing a class analysis in no,
Speaker 2: because that is true, because you don't. It is like
Speaker 2: a there is something about those guys where regardless of
Speaker 2: how to shovel they look, they are ultimately weirdly wearing
Speaker 2: like supreme like they are actually wearing expensive clothing.
Speaker 1: Well, this is this is something I'm struggling with in general,
Speaker 1: where the more I'm like around in the world, like
Speaker 1: I kind of thought everybody was on the same page,
Speaker 1: and now I'm like, oh, nobody's on the same.
Speaker 2: Nobody's on the same page. The culture has never been
Speaker 2: more fractured.
Speaker 1: And like literally the price of people's clothes. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: everybody's doing exactly the same as me. And it's like
Speaker 1: not even clothes, like that random T shirt is three
Speaker 1: hundred dollars and like I had no idea and they're like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: like of course, and they think that's normal. It's freaking
Speaker 1: me out.
Speaker 2: Yes, But then there's also like the there's also the
Speaker 2: other side of that, which is almost like bragging about
Speaker 2: how you are wearing how you have a bunch of
Speaker 2: expensive stuff that you didn't pay for because you are
Speaker 2: plugged into communities where that stuff gets passed around. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and actually the ability to know the difference is also
Speaker 2: this in group dynamic of like the contemporary version of
Speaker 2: like woman of like quiet luxury versus is you know,
Speaker 2: loud wealth.
Speaker 3: Do you still see people in your orbit ever like
Speaker 3: fit like thank a brand for giving them anything, you know,
Speaker 3: like they bought it that I've never considered.
Speaker 2: I think, I think, do you think people are doing that?
Speaker 2: But even though they bought it, know that they can
Speaker 2: get more.
Speaker 1: I have to say, no, one that we know.
Speaker 2: Okay, I've always wanted to do I've always wanted to
Speaker 2: do that as a bit and I'm literally terrified that
Speaker 2: some people will take it seriously. Like I'm trying to think,
Speaker 2: what I like buying something that you would like even
Speaker 2: just like Starbucks or you know, something stupid and then
Speaker 2: and then being like thank you Starbucks. But I'm just
Speaker 2: like terrified at this point that one person would think
Speaker 2: I was serious.
Speaker 1: Well do you want to try it for blue bottle?
Speaker 1: Thanks Blue bottle without you, I couldn't podcast.
Speaker 2: What brand would you like to send you free stuff? Yeah,
Speaker 2: like a like a nice sunscreen okay, you got a.
Speaker 1: High yeah, uh, I'm seeing it head to toe. Gucci?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Gucci Gucci.
Speaker 2: Okay, great Gucci. So either sunscreen or Gucci ideally both,
Speaker 2: you know, or like coffee, actually coffee, I mean I do.
Speaker 2: I've always fetishized the concept of a lifetime supply of something.
Speaker 1: Of course, well I have to, but I have always
Speaker 1: gotten caught up in sort of what that means legally.
Speaker 2: Sure. Well, also then the way it's tax I don't
Speaker 2: even want to lie. They said that you're actually like
Speaker 2: more poor than you've ever read, and also being sued
Speaker 2: by four people.
Speaker 3: Did you ever watch a celebrity Big Brother UK with
Speaker 3: Pete Burns and Dennis Rodman?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: No, then it's it's like high art. It's like incredible,
Speaker 3: And there's this they like make you rat your food
Speaker 3: on that show, like you have to like win challenges
Speaker 3: in order to like get bed.
Speaker 1: In this way.
Speaker 3: It's really dark. But they all as a house decided
Speaker 3: that they wanted to forfeit the food in exchange for
Speaker 3: coffee and cigarettes, and that was like the coolest thing
Speaker 3: I've ever seen on TV. And it's like them in
Speaker 3: the interview room being like all we want is coffee
Speaker 3: and cigarettes, like get rid of everything else. That's what
Speaker 3: I want my lifetime to supply.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I bump up against this idea that reality TV
Speaker 2: is high art because it's like such a classic thing
Speaker 2: where people like Real Housewives is Shakespeare and I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: it's not. And then you hear things like that and
Speaker 2: you're like it is.
Speaker 3: But those seasons they have, like there was like a
Speaker 3: member of Parliament on it, and they're like, it's like
Speaker 3: there's like an old person, a young person, d D
Speaker 3: D like it. It feels very like surreal and weird.
Speaker 1: I want to go back to the idea of having
Speaker 1: a thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, have you ever had a thing?
Speaker 3: Oh? A thing?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: I used to imitate Mariah Carey for money in my
Speaker 3: after school program.
Speaker 2: When I was a kid when you say for before
Speaker 2: my voice had change, but in the affter.
Speaker 3: School, so what was like, like I would just I
Speaker 3: would fully do the like head voice like and I
Speaker 3: was good, I could do it. Whoa and uh I
Speaker 3: would they would They would give me like fifty cents
Speaker 3: it was like bust.
Speaker 2: It was during the depression.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh, but I don't know a thing.
Speaker 1: Like a passive thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to think.
Speaker 1: I feel like in college, I kept trying to have
Speaker 1: a thing.
Speaker 2: Like what were the things you tried?
Speaker 1: Well, I like I had these like insane bright red shoes,
Speaker 1: and I was like, that's my thing, isn't the guy
Speaker 1: with red shoes?
Speaker 2: Well you went through a phase which I'm noticing is
Speaker 2: less so now where you were really leading into cowboy
Speaker 2: look and that was your thing.
Speaker 1: Ran. Yeah, I mean I'm still I'm still I'm finding
Speaker 1: a happy medium with the cowboy thing.
Speaker 2: This is the most like twenty tens American apparel thing.
Speaker 2: But when I was in college, I want I was like,
Speaker 2: my thing will be like bright colored cords like corduroys,
Speaker 2: and like I will have like a bright blue one
Speaker 2: of like sort of like burgundy one, a bright red one,
Speaker 2: a bright yellow one, and I bought a bunch and
Speaker 2: then like a month later, I was.
Speaker 1: Like, what the fuck are you doing?
Speaker 2: Like I can't I can't commit to this, Like I
Speaker 2: was just like I don't have and I would. I
Speaker 2: bumped into the fact that it would be then very
Speaker 2: difficult to style them with anything totally. So I was
Speaker 2: like I looked like completely insane in those worlds.
Speaker 3: Well know, the great thing about like loud pants is
Speaker 3: that everything else can be.
Speaker 2: I know, but I like didn't plan for that. So
Speaker 2: I just had like T shirts that were like from
Speaker 2: you know, urban outfitters and they said like pugs not drugs.
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, talk about Minneapolis.
Speaker 1: I know. I definitely wanted to be like, my thing
Speaker 1: is that every day I have a funny T shirt.
Speaker 1: Yeah that was like high school totally, but that's that's normal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2: I remember when I was in middle school and still
Speaker 2: in New Jersey, I was obsessed with I didn't have
Speaker 2: the courage to do this, but I was like I
Speaker 2: wish I could pull up a bandana like boy band style.
Speaker 2: Like I was just like, what if I just can
Speaker 2: put on a white bandana or like a green bandana
Speaker 2: and come to school?
Speaker 3: You could have just done it. Yeah, it's hard, but
Speaker 3: it again difficult to style well everything else. That's the thing.
Speaker 3: It's like you pick one, I know, and then everything
Speaker 3: else can be drab.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: What you also forget when you're a kid is like
Speaker 2: because you don't have control of like how you're getting
Speaker 2: places and and you don't have your own money. It's
Speaker 2: like what you're saying, like, oh yeah, just buy a
Speaker 2: bunch of basics. It's like that's a month long problem.
Speaker 2: That is like multiple trips to the mall, like asking
Speaker 2: your parents be like really, wow with I really want
Speaker 2: you're going to wear?
Speaker 1: And maybe like.
Speaker 3: I feel like I was very like cross body bag
Speaker 3: before it was like before it was a thing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And I was also victim to like chunky heel like
Speaker 3: you know, like chunky heel shoe like but like keep
Speaker 3: it leisure thing. I was like very much like all
Speaker 3: my shoes are gonna look like that like sketchers like thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but have you ever tried to pull off like
Speaker 2: a like overalls?
Speaker 1: Of course you don't remember my overall? Oh you do?
Speaker 2: You you could pull them up. See that's exactly how
Speaker 2: I think I could never pull.
Speaker 1: Off or like see the thing is having a thing
Speaker 1: is so much easier in New York. Yeah. I could
Speaker 1: try so many things here and you would be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's trying a thing in LA. If you try to think,
Speaker 1: people are like what does this say about you? They're
Speaker 1: like why why would you do that. And that's so.
Speaker 2: Funny because in LA, my image of like walking around
Speaker 2: Silver Leg is like you see a couple and the
Speaker 2: man is like fifty years old and wearing Vans and
Speaker 2: the woman is full rockabilly and like twenty five, and
Speaker 2: you just like can't question it.
Speaker 3: It's crazy how the like Bomian like Safari desert thing
Speaker 3: has still not died. No, No, it's so it's so Hardashery.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. New York versus LA is one
Speaker 2: of our favorite topics. But essentially what this podcast the
Speaker 2: same with LA is like, on the one hand, it
Speaker 2: is you would think on the cutting edge of culture,
Speaker 2: since they are producing all the culture that everyone else consuming.
Speaker 2: On the other hand, you go there and it's so
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven.
Speaker 3: No, fully, yeah, big hat, Yeah, the big books are everywhere.
Speaker 1: It's well, that's because New York is trying to impress
Speaker 1: New York. LA is trying to impress the Midwest. Wow,
Speaker 1: so they came to Edgy or they'll.
Speaker 2: These that's true. Heleen hit the base.
Speaker 3: No, that's so so true.
Speaker 1: I find it very upsetting even because yeah, here when
Speaker 1: you see someone who's dressed like really normal, you're like, well,
Speaker 1: they're doing that on purpose. There's like a knowledge there
Speaker 1: and they're You're like they don't know, they just they
Speaker 1: just don't know. God, it's nice to be here and
Speaker 1: just be able to ship talk. Yeah, thank god.
Speaker 2: Okay yo yo's okay, okay.
Speaker 3: Fidgeting, Yeah, figeting?
Speaker 2: Are you a fidget for sure?
Speaker 3: I'm like a nail bier. Oh yeah, until or like
Speaker 3: I recently was like really really trying not to, but
Speaker 3: I recently relapsed.
Speaker 1: Oh no, how'd that go for you?
Speaker 3: I was watching a movie and I just suddenly they
Speaker 3: were gone and it was a real nail blighter.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, great thing you can do about that be
Speaker 2: on your phone as well. Yeah, and then you won't
Speaker 2: be better.
Speaker 1: Well, this is where I'm when it comes to back
Speaker 1: to Gabee straight of course, is that straight guys are
Speaker 1: playing Wooden Cup game whereas gay guys are looking for
Speaker 1: sex on their phone.
Speaker 2: But I actually like think the Wooden Cup game is better.
Speaker 2: Like I would love to reclaim Wooden Cup Game and
Speaker 2: yoyo in a different context.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, the progremis of this podcast isn't that
Speaker 1: gay is better than straight? Of course, Sometimes it's that
Speaker 1: straight is better than gay. I actually would love to
Speaker 1: play Wooden cup Game rather than be on sniffy is
Speaker 1: looking at random dicks. Definitely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we need to invent a new fidgeting
Speaker 2: thing that's sort of like specifically targeted towards gay guys
Speaker 2: and maybe even the entire LGBTQ plus community. And I
Speaker 2: wonder what that would be.
Speaker 1: Imagine if so, whenever we go out of town for
Speaker 1: a show, Imagine if instead of sitting in the hotel
Speaker 1: room for three hours looking at the various apps, we
Speaker 1: were playing cup game. We would be so good at
Speaker 1: cup Game.
Speaker 3: What about like de stressor like the like the balls
Speaker 3: with the bells in them where you like you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, or the or like a.
Speaker 2: Squeezer or one of those things that's like full of
Speaker 2: blue liquid and little dolphins.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm actually the most It's like we're
Speaker 1: not on Snippy's but we're just doing this.
Speaker 2: It was jerking off a dolphin.
Speaker 1: That's actually an amazing idea and talk about a thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if that was my thing.
Speaker 2: Oh, people would be yeah you that is definitely the
Speaker 2: gay version of having a yo yoga is just having
Speaker 2: those like the gayest glittery or like leaking, just like
Speaker 2: glittery blue liquid and little like beach balls and dolphins
Speaker 2: flying everywhere.
Speaker 1: That would be so great. Oh my god, I've actually recently.
Speaker 3: When it's vapes, Oh it's babes.
Speaker 2: It's definitely vabes. And also for a certain subset. I
Speaker 2: know this is also on the phone, but for a
Speaker 2: certain subset, it's like New York Times games, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. It's like it's word or it's crossword puzzle.
Speaker 2: That's a big yeah.
Speaker 1: In many ways, it's it's reading a book.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm like, instead of three hours on an app,
Speaker 1: I could just read a book and like get pretty far.
Speaker 1: That realization has only hit me the last year.
Speaker 2: I know. It's sort of crazy that all you have
Speaker 2: to do is put your phone in a different room
Speaker 2: and you could read a book.
Speaker 1: You would read a whole book and you'll feel better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm jealous of you for and
Speaker 2: people that are like artists that are not writers or
Speaker 2: I mean, I know you're also a writer, but like
Speaker 2: ours that are not like primarily like writing in a
Speaker 2: Google doc.
Speaker 1: You know. I love about No.
Speaker 2: No, it's like because I know friends who aren't like
Speaker 2: to be a musician, to be a painter, to be
Speaker 2: a sculptor, you literally have to use your hands for
Speaker 2: what you are doing. Totally, and can you imagine if
Speaker 2: we had that luxury, like to wake up every day
Speaker 2: and be a painter and be like I literally cannot
Speaker 2: pick up my phone.
Speaker 1: No, that would be nice.
Speaker 2: Or I'm I'm in the studio, as I know there's
Speaker 2: some downtime, but like I'm in the studio recording, and
Speaker 2: so I have to have my guitar on mem you.
Speaker 1: Essentially, it's like how I feel when I eat a burrito.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well all we have is eating a burrito.
Speaker 1: Do you understand, like at least I can't be touching my.
Speaker 3: Friend minute, Yeah exactly. Yeah, it's nice. But also like
Speaker 3: most of my time is spent like like head in
Speaker 3: the clouds, like walking around like writing in my head.
Speaker 2: Do you ban yourself from like do you take walks
Speaker 2: that are like no tech?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Sometimes I think that's a big thing. Totally.
Speaker 2: We should maybe try out at some point, I should
Speaker 2: try it out, you know. James Cherry, Yeah, he recently
Speaker 2: put he recently posted like he bought a laptop and
Speaker 2: he was like it's crazy to like you guys are
Speaker 2: not gonna believe this, but this is sort of the
Speaker 2: first laptop I've ever bought, because he was just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I am an artist that works with my hands. I
Speaker 2: when I went to college, I went to art school. Presumably,
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not sure. It's like he's the default
Speaker 2: of like you wake up, you're on a laptop has
Speaker 2: never existed.
Speaker 1: For him, right because also like if he needs an email,
Speaker 1: he can use his phone exactly. That's interesting, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, just let me think about did you ever
Speaker 2: have like the little phone, like when people kind of
Speaker 2: were regressing on purpose and getting like dumb little Nokia,
Speaker 2: Like that's the thing. It's like I don't have the
Speaker 2: much like the not having the courage to wear a bandon.
Speaker 3: That I'm like, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I exist in the state of desire for
Speaker 2: the better thing, but I'm but I would never actually
Speaker 2: take the step to get there. Would you ever get
Speaker 2: a dumb phone?
Speaker 1: No? No way. I also like the convenience of just
Speaker 1: like a map is.
Speaker 3: Yea, no, totally, that's like so much of it.
Speaker 2: But they have that's the thing. There's phones that have
Speaker 2: texting and.
Speaker 1: Map I'm not buying it. I've never seen one of
Speaker 1: these phes in my damn wife. It's like it's too hard.
Speaker 1: I mean, I actually think it's bad for you. This
Speaker 1: is my Okay, here's a hot take. I think it's
Speaker 1: bad when people are like, I'm checking out of everything
Speaker 1: and I'm living this life like I'm like like when
Speaker 1: the Lord was like, I don't use social media anymore.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, well, you're gonna lose touch with what
Speaker 1: society is. I don't think she has. I think she
Speaker 1: did lose touch, and I think she's back and she's
Speaker 1: in touch again.
Speaker 2: You think she lost touch with solar power.
Speaker 1: Well as a solar power stand, yes, I think she
Speaker 1: lost touch, and I think it was an important part
Speaker 1: of her journey. But I think she lost touch.
Speaker 2: I see what you're saying. You're saying her commentary on
Speaker 2: you know, sort of like Pilates and being California Sober
Speaker 2: did not feel of its time.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: Everybody's line about that record is it will age. Well,
Speaker 3: that's what I hear every gig I say, But it
Speaker 3: will I think it will understand on it. I think
Speaker 3: I kind of agree.
Speaker 2: I agree too, because I think that the issue was
Speaker 2: at the time, no one wanted that kind of social
Speaker 2: commentary because that's not quote unquote where we were at.
Speaker 2: But at some point that just becomes universal, Like it
Speaker 2: just becomes like a general those themes, Like those themes
Speaker 2: exist in and out of culture forever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like.
Speaker 2: Ray of Light happened to come out at the exact
Speaker 2: right time for that to resonate. But what if Ray
Speaker 2: of Light had come out in twenty two thousand and
Speaker 2: three post nine to eleven. I don't think that would
Speaker 2: have worked well.
Speaker 1: For the record, I've always supported solar power. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just think I do think she would just disconnect. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: and that maybe was great for her individually, but as
Speaker 1: someone trying to comment on society, it's complicated. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: so have you met Lord or I have? Was it? Was?
Speaker 1: She nicer?
Speaker 3: She's great? So nice?
Speaker 1: Did you was it pre your post solar power post?
Speaker 1: What you and did you say? H? Well, you know what.
Speaker 3: I said that to her and she said, thank you
Speaker 3: for saying that to me. You did that.
Speaker 1: That's nice. That's nice.
Speaker 2: I do love that. That's the wait, that's you start.
Speaker 1: You met her at the Jack at Jack Antonov's Hospital.
Speaker 2: Hospital bed she's in tears. She's like, Jack, well, should
Speaker 2: we do our final segment?
Speaker 1: Is it time?
Speaker 2: We don't have to?
Speaker 1: No, we can. Well. I feel like it's that thing
Speaker 1: of like when you say you're having so much fun.
Speaker 2: I know I'm having a lot of fun. I also
Speaker 2: want to like gossip in.
Speaker 1: A way that we can't. We can't.
Speaker 2: I keep wanting to ask you things that I know
Speaker 2: I shouldn't.
Speaker 1: Oh try, No, come on, he told us about Lord. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's down to spills.
Speaker 3: Hold us Jack sick?
Speaker 1: Okay, keeping that tight?
Speaker 2: Okay, give us all the music industry gossip. Oh my,
Speaker 2: when's the sky for our album coming?
Speaker 3: I have no idea. I don't, honestly, I don't know
Speaker 3: that much gossip. Yeah about it. I wish that I
Speaker 3: knew more.
Speaker 1: I don't know who is.
Speaker 2: The biggest bitch in music?
Speaker 1: And you can't say Katie Perry. No.
Speaker 3: I I love that she's saying, what a wonderful world
Speaker 3: in space.
Speaker 2: And not what a woman's world?
Speaker 3: That's deeply anti social behavior.
Speaker 2: It is crazy. Do you find that the space thing
Speaker 2: is like so so many players of evil that you like,
Speaker 2: can't even wrap your minds. I can't say, I can't
Speaker 2: even say a sentence that like could wrap up my feelings.
Speaker 3: No about it. It's so like gratuitous every way, so gratuitous.
Speaker 1: I like feel bad for the people involved. I feel
Speaker 1: even though they like willingly, I'm just like, this is
Speaker 1: all horrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even the gratuitousness seems almost like the point,
Speaker 2: it's almost like they all know it is and they're
Speaker 2: skipping the part where they pretend it isn't It.
Speaker 3: Would have been better if they were up there for longer.
Speaker 3: I know, it was like a.
Speaker 2: Day, nine months or yeah, several months mission. All you'd
Speaker 2: have to do is like add a little charity element,
Speaker 2: just be like and exactly. And we're bringing a make
Speaker 2: a Wish kid. We're bringing Jack Antono, who's dying. His
Speaker 2: final wish was to go to space with Katie Pear women. Yeah, he'said,
Speaker 2: oh my god, that is so Jack ansenov to be like,
Speaker 2: I love women and women women artists like Katy Perry,
Speaker 2: and I want to go to space with Gail King
Speaker 2: and Katy Perry. This is my final wish. I am
Speaker 2: dying of, you know, synthesizer disease, and it is time
Speaker 2: for me to have my.
Speaker 1: Final wish that would have been so amazing and we
Speaker 1: could have saved him.
Speaker 2: And we could have saved him. Yeah, it could have
Speaker 2: been an interstellar. He comes back and he's twelve years old.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't it's so funny.
Speaker 2: Okay, we have to tell you about Lozzo's Pass. Lozzo's
Speaker 2: Pass is a concept Sam came up with where when
Speaker 2: an up and coming musical artist is at the pass
Speaker 2: where she has to decide between going Pitchfork and going Target.
Speaker 2: So it's named after Lizzo, who chose Target. She was
Speaker 2: an up and coming art as people forget, she was
Speaker 2: very cool, like super, like a boring during a SLA
Speaker 2: she chose Target. Chaperone is currently at the pass and
Speaker 2: she's delay making a decision, but we support what We're scared,
Speaker 2: but she and I would support either one. Heim chose Pitchfork,
Speaker 2: Twigs chose Pitchfork, Lord chose Lord chose Pitchfork. Who's someone
Speaker 2: who chose target?
Speaker 3: Hmmm, Tate McCrae.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's like wish she ever she was never
Speaker 2: at the Yes, she's never at the past anyway. The
Speaker 2: point is if I mean.
Speaker 1: She's never even been to the past.
Speaker 2: Oh, Tate McCray, do you feel like do you feel
Speaker 2: like you're at the past? Do you feel like you've
Speaker 2: been at the past or do you think it's coming.
Speaker 3: Are you scared of the past? I've been at the
Speaker 3: past about No, I've not been at the past. I've
Speaker 3: just like I feel I don't know this. This sounds
Speaker 3: kind of like trite because there's lots of things going
Speaker 3: on in the world horrible.
Speaker 1: I can't think of anything.
Speaker 3: I still think there's a lot of homophobia and music
Speaker 3: in a way where like gay guys don't want to
Speaker 3: see other gay guys succeed, and there's a lot of
Speaker 3: gatekeeping in this funny kind of way where like I've
Speaker 3: been doing this for a long time, and uh, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna keep doing it because it's like lifeblood. But I
Speaker 3: feel like I don't know, like it's yeah, I get
Speaker 3: like I talk about this with like a lot of
Speaker 3: my like gay guy musician friends where we're all kind
Speaker 3: of in this like funny situation where we're like doing
Speaker 3: like these like songwritery things or whatever. But then you
Speaker 3: still just have like Alex g and like m J.
Speaker 3: Linderman and they just like dominate the like genius boy thing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and like that's cool, like they're great, They're really good,
Speaker 3: but uh yeah, we wanna we want to throw it
Speaker 3: back for some gay guy one day.
Speaker 2: So it's like I never considered that gay guys have
Speaker 2: to choose pitch Forks exactly.
Speaker 1: This is forced upon them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean, who was the last gay guy
Speaker 2: to choose Target? Elton John Adam Lambert, Adam Lamb.
Speaker 1: Adam Lambert Adam chose Target, And even then Target kind
Speaker 1: of was like you can go in the clear and style.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, they're not putting him right in the
Speaker 2: front with the Oprah's book Club selection.
Speaker 1: No, the Taylor swop CD is on tail choice.
Speaker 2: Evon is kind of Oh that's interesting.
Speaker 1: He's getting close. But I think in our bubble still,
Speaker 1: like I feel like in our bubble he's a big
Speaker 1: pop star. But in like like does my mom know
Speaker 1: who choy Sevon is?
Speaker 2: Sam Smith, Sam Smith, Sam shows Target chose Target?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sam said.
Speaker 2: Chose So that's just that perfume genius chose pitch Fork.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but in an.
Speaker 2: Empowered way, yes, absolutely. But I I think it's interesting.
Speaker 2: The gatekeeping of it always interesting. What you're saying. It's
Speaker 2: like there you're you can be as a gig guy
Speaker 2: at the pass and you can see pitchwork on one end,
Speaker 2: you can see Target on the other end. But there
Speaker 2: is this like music exec guy that is in front
Speaker 2: of the Target, and it's like do you have your
Speaker 2: do you have your idea? And then sort of like
Speaker 2: you're in a dream where you can't find your idea anywhere.
Speaker 2: It's like not in any of your pockets. Wow.
Speaker 1: Wow, I would hate to be at Lizzo's Pass and
Speaker 1: not have my idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Lizzo's Pass is so funny.
Speaker 2: We yesterday we our guest yesterday and Durian and Saint
Speaker 2: Felix was saying that potentially there's a world in which
Speaker 2: you could visit Target but then be like, all right,
Speaker 2: I have like like Kim, yes, that's a great example.
Speaker 2: And then I go back and be like and now,
Speaker 2: all right, that was fun. I visited Target time to
Speaker 2: go pitch for her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm excited. I'm very excited for what she does next.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 3: I have friends that have been working with her.
Speaker 2: She always keeps us.
Speaker 1: On her chose and I think people really want to
Speaker 1: discount her.
Speaker 2: They really do. People are actually so cruel to her. Yeah,
Speaker 2: for no reason. Well, but I'm on her side is
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I will follow her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will follow her as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah what if York chose target, then it'd be really good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Almost when she wrote the Madonna song, that was like
Speaker 2: the most target she could possibly get, but it was
Speaker 2: like yeah, that time stories, but that was still I know.
Speaker 3: I think the most target she went was doing you
Speaker 3: know no, no, no, no, the you boy It's so
Speaker 3: quiet yeah yeah yeah, but that was like it was
Speaker 3: like that was pretty Yeah, that was so like Christmas time.
Speaker 2: But I think that was like a commentary on a
Speaker 2: show tune.
Speaker 3: It was like, well it's her being like freaky dey yes,
Speaker 3: like yes, but still it's like I remember when that
Speaker 3: was like the ad for like Sex and the City. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and like Sara Disca Parker's like with the big like
Speaker 3: the red balloons and stuff.
Speaker 1: Speaking of I think you know who really was at
Speaker 1: Pitchwork and Chows target is Jesse Ware Oh yeah, because
Speaker 1: that that one album that I'm pigting the name of
Speaker 1: the Distance one. Yeah, that was so Pitchwork was like
Speaker 1: this is so fun. And then the follow up.
Speaker 3: But then she was like I have a tortoise out yea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a podcast was then like Pearls was like
Speaker 1: this and just like that song and it was like.
Speaker 3: That was that was sad.
Speaker 1: That was a bummer.
Speaker 3: And now she's just like she has like a mommy podcast.
Speaker 3: Yes it's literally like what it's like, like what it's
Speaker 3: like being a mommy.
Speaker 2: But it's her and her mom and the premise is
Speaker 2: that they're eating dinner and with a guest. Do you
Speaker 2: get to hear all the like, yeah, there was.
Speaker 1: No, Well that's kind of funny.
Speaker 3: Oh god.
Speaker 1: I saw her Coachella twenty twelve.
Speaker 3: How was it?
Speaker 2: She was great. She's I was front row because no
Speaker 2: one else knew about it.
Speaker 1: Now she is great. I went to one of the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two shows whatever and she.
Speaker 2: Was great and she was being so British. It was
Speaker 2: just like, I mean, it was obviously at two pm
Speaker 2: because she was not like one of the headliners at
Speaker 2: the time, and it was just like her. And there
Speaker 2: was a stool that had a mug of tea on it,
Speaker 2: like you could see the tea bag. That's cool, and
Speaker 2: she was just like take a sip of tea and
Speaker 2: then do you.
Speaker 1: Know we'll talk about having a thing.
Speaker 2: That's another Yeah, she love to have like a ooh
Speaker 2: musicians up to have it like in your rider, yeah, or.
Speaker 1: Like even like the guy from the National always has
Speaker 1: a glass of red wine on stage or like you know,
Speaker 1: like there's like all.
Speaker 3: That thing that is some straight shit that I cannot
Speaker 3: deal with.
Speaker 1: The like yeah, keep going, keep going.
Speaker 3: I mean I'm just like I don't I don't know
Speaker 3: why you saying the National.
Speaker 4: It was just like triggering, Like I mean there were
Speaker 4: natal triggering uh in regards even if you are a
Speaker 4: fan of the National, which I think they have some
Speaker 4: great songs, they hear about the Nationalist triggering.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it implies a culture.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's just like I think it's because I
Speaker 3: see like how men age in music, like where how
Speaker 3: all of them kind of just go to like blazer town,
Speaker 3: Like they all kind of just like suddenly it's just
Speaker 3: like I have to own a blazer and I have
Speaker 3: to wear it on stage, and I have to like
Speaker 3: not shave as much. Although I mean like sometimes that's cool,
Speaker 3: like in a surge Gainsborgie kind of way where you're
Speaker 3: like uncamped and it's a part of it.
Speaker 1: But like.
Speaker 3: But he's kind of like an honor I mean well,
Speaker 3: he's French, so it doesn't it's changes, it's completely different.
Speaker 3: But I do want this is actually.
Speaker 2: A great idea for just like a long magazine feature
Speaker 2: that's just like checking in on all the men of
Speaker 2: the twenty twelve Pitchfork era, like.
Speaker 3: Like like yeah, and like yeah dirty projector.
Speaker 2: Dirty Projectors, even like Bonie Vere, like just like where
Speaker 2: are they? What did they look like then? And what
Speaker 2: do they look like now? Because that is sort of
Speaker 2: there's a Pitchfork versus Target of Fashion.
Speaker 1: Well it's.
Speaker 2: It's Blazer Town or there's or hype Blazer or hype Beast.
Speaker 2: I think are the two options. Don't you think.
Speaker 3: Who's hype Beast? That's I do think.
Speaker 2: Boni ver I was I recently video of him where
Speaker 2: he's wearing like a bright orange hoodie.
Speaker 1: That's like in a Wisconsin way Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 3: And he's also really really rich and that's like that's
Speaker 3: like rich Man drag where you're like, uh, hoodie, sweatpant
Speaker 3: like leisure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: For some reason, I'm standing boniv right now.
Speaker 2: I know everyone is defending I haven't listened to the news.
Speaker 2: Everyone says it's great, it's age really well age really really.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, when what year is gonna what year will
Speaker 3: need solar power? Really bad?
Speaker 2: That's a good that's a good question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this summer is solar power. It's solar power summer.
Speaker 1: I'm cold, it's not it's not.
Speaker 3: But like it'll make a comeback like fruit fruit Yeah,
Speaker 3: like murder on the dance Floor. Oh yeah, where it's
Speaker 3: in a movie.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, by the way, I think you know, it
Speaker 2: should make a comeback. Allah, Murder on the dance floor
Speaker 2: is feels so good by sunik?
Speaker 3: Is that not bad?
Speaker 1: I feel like that it did it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not on TikTok.
Speaker 3: No, it's not even TikTok. Just like it's like you
Speaker 3: hear hear it.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, as long as you're hearing it, my work
Speaker 2: is done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Okay, now I think we can do fine, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's okay. So I find it's like it's called shout outs,
Speaker 1: and in this segment we pay homage to the grand
Speaker 1: straight tradition of the radio shout out, shouting out to
Speaker 1: anything that we enjoy. People place these things ideas.
Speaker 2: When we think of them on the spot. Why we're
Speaker 2: both contemplating, which is why we are.
Speaker 1: Both contemplate, Oh God, what will it be? I And
Speaker 1: what I'm struggling with is like I wish I had
Speaker 1: a good one.
Speaker 2: I know, Oh right, totally. Yeah, That's definitely what I'm
Speaker 2: struggling with as well.
Speaker 1: Because you know, sometimes I'm okay with being like whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, no, no, no, I want, I want,
Speaker 1: I want to, I want, I want the bank substance.
Speaker 1: I know I want substance too, and and yet I
Speaker 1: don't have it.
Speaker 2: What's up, freaks of losers? I want to give a
Speaker 2: shout out to substance. That's right, saying something and having
Speaker 2: it have gravity, have it have meaning, and having it
Speaker 2: have lasting power, much like Lord's solar power. Saying something
Speaker 2: that will age well because it's not directly commenting on
Speaker 2: the culture of the time. It's not a response to something,
Speaker 2: and it's not reactive. It is something that is a
Speaker 2: fully formed idea that is going that is ahead of
Speaker 2: its time, and that is going to at some point
Speaker 2: create a paradigm shift that will then lead to more substance.
Speaker 2: And in that sense, it's also generative. So shout out
Speaker 2: to if you open your mouth, try to say something
Speaker 2: with substance rather than substance.
Speaker 1: Who wow, Wow, that's awesome. Yeah, okay, I got one. Okay,
Speaker 1: what's ups and perfects around the globe. I want to
Speaker 1: give a huge shout out to my physical therapist. I
Speaker 1: have been doing physcal therapy for my back and this
Speaker 1: woman knows my body more than anyone on earth. I'm
Speaker 1: learning stretches that you wouldn't even believe, and guess what,
Speaker 1: they are effective, and I'm saying, why.
Speaker 2: Aren't we taught this goals?
Speaker 1: We need to learn how to stretch properly. Did you
Speaker 1: know I've been when you bend down to reach your toes.
Speaker 1: I've been doing it wrong my whole life and You're like,
Speaker 1: how can you bend down wrong? It's possible. I was
Speaker 1: bending from my back and not from my pelvis, and
Speaker 1: guess what, I've never been able to touch my toes
Speaker 1: and that's why. Isn't that crazy? Anyway? I think when
Speaker 1: we are more in touch with our bodies, we will
Speaker 1: finally be free and living in Lord's solar power universe.
Speaker 1: So shout to my physical therapist. I love you, xoxo.
Speaker 3: Say who high freaks. I want to shout out the
Speaker 3: auto play feature on television streaming because I need. I
Speaker 3: need to just leave the TV on for my dog
Speaker 3: when I leave so that he doesn't have a panic attack.
Speaker 3: And then wait, and then one other thing. This is
Speaker 3: truly in a moment, as you can tell, or it's dull.
Speaker 3: But speaking of physical therapy, I want to shout out
Speaker 3: to the guy in my yoga class that left in
Speaker 3: the middle and said this is too hard to the
Speaker 3: class because bravery. Yeah, that's that's like freak behavior. That's
Speaker 3: really cool. Shout out yeah, with the gear straight straight see,
Speaker 3: I love.
Speaker 2: That being able to defeat.
Speaker 1: Was it hot yoga?
Speaker 3: Hot yoga?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Sometimes they turn it way. Sometimes there's a panic there,
Speaker 3: there's panic. I don't know if it's actually healthy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I questioned it as well, but I've definitely wanted
Speaker 1: to run out before. What did the teacher came out?
Speaker 1: I feel they always say like and whatever you do,
Speaker 1: don't let don't leave the room if you're you know,
Speaker 1: lie down. Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, she didn't comment on it.
Speaker 1: Wow, I know, hello police.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she and she was pregnant.
Speaker 2: The teacher was pregnant.
Speaker 3: The teacher was pregnant. Baby gonna baby gonna be hot?
Speaker 2: Is that safe for not to police pregnant women's bodies,
Speaker 2: but get out of there.
Speaker 3: No yoga yoga worms is like a different thing entirely. Yeah,
Speaker 3: shout out yoga worms.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yoga worm.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You guys did that.
Speaker 1: You did that? You ate you ate well, thanks so
Speaker 1: much for doing this, Thanks, thank you.
Speaker 3: For having me, and once again, please tell people, Yeah,
Speaker 3: listen to my record and his splash band and I'm
Speaker 3: I'm I'm cooking right now, so stay tuned. Ok just cooking.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you're at Jackas Hospital, bub Bye bye bye.
Speaker 2: Podcast and now want more? Subscribe to our Patreon for
Speaker 2: two extra episodes a month, discord access and more by
Speaker 2: heading to patreon dot com. Slash Stradio Lab and.
Speaker 1: For all our visual earners, free full length video episodes
Speaker 1: are available on our YouTube now Get back to work.
Speaker 1: Stradia Lab is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money
Speaker 1: Players Network and iHeart Podcasts.
Speaker 2: Created and hosted by George Severs and Sam Taggart.
Speaker 1: Executive produced by Will Ferrell, Hans Sonny and Olivia Aguilar.
Speaker 2: Co produced by Bai Wang, Edited and engineered by adam Able.
Speaker 2: Artwork by Michael Philes and Matt Gruff.
Speaker 1: Theme music by Ben Kling