WEBVTT - "Yo-Yos" w/ Liam Benzvi

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<v Speaker 1>Podcast starts. Now, what's up everyone around the world. This

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<v Speaker 1>is Stradio Lab. It is a cloudy Is it cloudy? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>It's cloudy as hell. I mean maybe it's my LA

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<v Speaker 1>sensibility where you know, I see a little cloud now

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<v Speaker 1>and I say, oh God, it's cloudy. But I would

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<v Speaker 1>argue it is cloudy outside.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think of Spring?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm so glad you asked least favorite season by

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<v Speaker 1>far flop loser. I think I think spring is a

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<v Speaker 1>is a prison sentence. Yeah, yeah, I think it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>edging in the worst way. I think you never feel

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<v Speaker 1>joy until May. And I think, you know, I remember

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<v Speaker 1>just looking at the leaves and being like, go faster.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, here's my opinion. You know, I, you and I.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things we have in commedist that we're

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<v Speaker 2>both summer girls. To quote Danielle him and I think,

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<v Speaker 2>and we come alive in the summer. We are both beachy,

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<v Speaker 2>we both love a pool, we both love reading by

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<v Speaker 2>a body of water, and of course that part of

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<v Speaker 2>me is still there.

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<v Speaker 1>You're getting choked up.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting choked up just thinking about it. I more

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<v Speaker 2>and more the summer peak tourist season is like peaking

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<v Speaker 2>more than it ever has, to the point where I'm

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<v Speaker 2>afraid to do anything summary in the actual months of

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<v Speaker 2>July and August, and that has actually forced me to

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<v Speaker 2>start valuing late spring and early fall more. I know

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what you mean, and it is confusing to me

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<v Speaker 2>because when I now think of July and August, normally

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite, I'm feeling a sense of entrapment. I am

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<v Speaker 2>feeling a sense of uh, does you know, sort of

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<v Speaker 2>like hope deferred, Like it will never be what it

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<v Speaker 2>once was, and I have to start romanticizing late May,

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<v Speaker 2>early June, and in fact mid September.

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<v Speaker 1>I say yes to mid September. Yeah, late May, early June.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be chilly, Like it's just like you can't

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<v Speaker 1>be at a beach and be comfortable. So I literally think, so, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes you'll get like the off day. But like I

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<v Speaker 1>have tried for years to be like summer starts June first,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have been burned by being cold so many

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<v Speaker 1>times because it doesn't start June first. It starts like

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<v Speaker 1>June thirtieth, which is my birthday.

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<v Speaker 2>But don't you find that when you are planning something

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<v Speaker 2>for peak summer months. I don't know. Maybe I just

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<v Speaker 2>need to like be more bold and be like, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, I am going to be one of the

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<v Speaker 2>bodies that is crowding Fire Island.

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<v Speaker 1>George, you cannot be afraid to take up space. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you really have to lean into I hear you.

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<v Speaker 1>You're just your desire to be alt is like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>pushing over your desire to have fun and be in

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<v Speaker 1>a nice place. But you just have to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>my theory on Mondays? What is it that even if

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<v Speaker 1>you're on vacation on a Monday, it's still a Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can't break free from the Monday feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're saying, even if I'm on vacation in May,

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<v Speaker 2>it's still May, and I can't break free of the

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<v Speaker 2>mail literally. Okay, so you're sort of following a more

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<v Speaker 2>literal approach, a more formalist It's like May is May,

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<v Speaker 2>July is Friday. Men are men, women are women.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that's not what I'm saying, George. You know

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<v Speaker 1>that's not what I'm saying. July is Friday. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>you have to be like, well, it's Friday, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to the beach. I guess you're not convinced.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. What I'm bumping up against is like, there

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<v Speaker 2>are only so many months, and it really saddens me

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<v Speaker 2>that we'll never get new ones. You know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not getting what I want out of the existing months,

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<v Speaker 2>and and you and it should. You would think in

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<v Speaker 2>the world we're living in, with so much innovation in

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<v Speaker 2>the fields of science, technology, et cetera, you could invent

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<v Speaker 2>a new month that is perfect and that it's both

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<v Speaker 2>the perfect weather and not crowded.

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<v Speaker 1>George, do you think it exists?

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<v Speaker 2>What is it?

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<v Speaker 1>It's international travel?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you're saying, okay, go to Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm literally saying, go to Australia, go to South America,

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<v Speaker 1>go to Mexic Like I think, I think. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>This was what I was starting to feel in New York,

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<v Speaker 1>where I was like, I the way that summer I

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<v Speaker 1>need every waking second to be the best second of

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<v Speaker 1>my life was starting to be problematic, right. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>sustain that. I was getting disappointed because some seconds were bad.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I was like, wait, wait, what if I

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<v Speaker 1>started taking trips more, which I didn't do, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get to live up to that. I unfortunately but it's

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<v Speaker 1>still I have the solution all played out.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it's uh, you got to spending money? Well okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so classically you know you want something, what's the solution

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<v Speaker 2>being able to afford it?

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<v Speaker 1>Quite literally? All right?

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<v Speaker 2>Should we bring out I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, do the honors?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. We are so excited to have him on. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we haven't had a musician on in so long. What

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<v Speaker 2>was the last one we had on?

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<v Speaker 1>You can't ask me.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even remember.

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<v Speaker 1>Have we ever had one on?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, the first musician we've ever met, Liam Bensby.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello, how's it going. It's great. I'm so happy to

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<v Speaker 3>be here.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, we are so happy to have you.

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<v Speaker 2>How is What do you think about the months?

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<v Speaker 1>Well?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, while I was listening, I was thinking about, Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>there was like one year where I insisted on going

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<v Speaker 3>to the beach immediately on June first. But it was

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<v Speaker 3>very like I have an eating disorder, I need to

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<v Speaker 3>like bike here every single day, or like I it

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<v Speaker 3>was like very something's going on in my head, like

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<v Speaker 3>I was dealing with something. Yeah, so I haven't done

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<v Speaker 3>that since.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I almost think the disappointment of the first

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<v Speaker 2>beach day is like good to tamper down your expectation.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like it humbles you and then you can enjoy summer.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost like an initiation richly, where like the first

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<v Speaker 2>beach day has to be a little bit like, oh wait,

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<v Speaker 2>this is what you've been waiting, this is what we've

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<v Speaker 2>been looking forward to, and then the second time you go,

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, all right, I'll bring a book, it'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I did last year that was a

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<v Speaker 1>huge mistake. Which is why I feel so passionate about

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<v Speaker 1>this now, is I did all my little trips in June.

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<v Speaker 1>From June first to June thirtyth I was doing little

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<v Speaker 1>trips and all of them were cloudy and bad, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was like, of course I shouldn't have tried to

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<v Speaker 1>do them all in June. What was I thinking start

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<v Speaker 1>in July.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you the type of person that has something planned

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<v Speaker 3>to do or do you kind of revel in the

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<v Speaker 3>nothing of vacation.

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<v Speaker 1>I revel in the nothing of vacation.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's me too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's actually really stressful to me because now all

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<v Speaker 1>the trips I've ever gone on have been like to

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<v Speaker 1>Fire Island, Oh my.

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<v Speaker 2>God, we're being interrupted. I said, I did not want.

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<v Speaker 1>This to happen. Thank you. Oh wow, this is the

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<v Speaker 1>best day of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god to have blue bottle coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>You. Oh my gosh, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. Cheers you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Cheers. Seriously, you guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Putting the iced coffee in the paper cup is is

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<v Speaker 3>a flex.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually want to know what you think about, because

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<v Speaker 2>this is something I've noticed more and more and I

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<v Speaker 2>can't decide if I find it almost cheek, there is

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<v Speaker 2>something a little like business woman about it, or if

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<v Speaker 2>I find it to be absolutely morally abhorrent, because that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't go there.

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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of like a school uniform. Yeah, yeah, like

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<v Speaker 3>everybody the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then sometimes they'll put a straw inside the sippy cup.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh huh mmm. I'm kind of anty, you're antie. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think these cups were made for this, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's a poor reflection on the cups. It makes

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<v Speaker 1>me feel like like the cup is doing a bad job,

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<v Speaker 1>when really it's just not made.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I'm noticing a pattern I think today we'll

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<v Speaker 2>do is that you think things are made for what

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<v Speaker 2>they're made for, and you think there should be no experimentation.

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<v Speaker 2>There should be no innovation. If someone you know goes

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<v Speaker 2>on vacation in May, or if someone puts ice coffee

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<v Speaker 2>in a hot coffee cup, you are calling nine one

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<v Speaker 2>one and you are saying, thank god you are well funded,

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<v Speaker 2>because I need you here today.

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<v Speaker 1>I need you hear asap. I think experimentation can happen,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I think every coffee place should have a

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<v Speaker 1>sense of play, you know, I think this. Yeah, But

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<v Speaker 1>that being said, once you experiment and you find out like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that didn't really work as well as I thought it would,

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<v Speaker 1>then you go back and then you say, Okay, that

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<v Speaker 1>was a fun little journey. I'll never go on vacation

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<v Speaker 1>in June again.

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<v Speaker 2>But isn't sort of punk rock DIY culture kind of

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<v Speaker 2>finding the beauty and the imperfect?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god? Literally no, it's not.

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<v Speaker 3>What's the most punk month?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Whoa fuck? Wow?

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<v Speaker 2>All right? What is the most punk month?

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<v Speaker 3>Well?

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<v Speaker 1>I think my brain jumps to a colder month, but

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<v Speaker 1>I do think like October has Halloween, of course, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's sort of the like people put out decorations, decorations,

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<v Speaker 1>destroyers like Avril Levine being punk, Well, I think she's valid.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think.

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<v Speaker 3>Avrilvin is valid as a punk yeah? Or valid in general?

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<v Speaker 2>I think yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I was. I was a big head back

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<v Speaker 3>in the day. My stepdad a long time ago worked

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<v Speaker 3>at Good Morning America when I was a kid, and

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<v Speaker 3>he would bring me to like the seven AM concerts,

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<v Speaker 3>so I got to like kind of make signs and

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<v Speaker 3>like meet a lot of my idols at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>and she was one of them, and I got to

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<v Speaker 3>make her a sign. That was really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so cool.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's a question for you, because I also, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>as a young gay kid, loved Avril Levine, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was not allowed to like, like you were not allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to love Avri Levine, so too, it was not it

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<v Speaker 2>was not cool.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like who's conservative now?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you feel like you could openly love ever Levine?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you did.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, because I felt like I was young enough it

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<v Speaker 3>was like Avril Lavine, Well, it was okay for me

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<v Speaker 3>to do that because I was also like a huge

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<v Speaker 3>psycho obsessed with the Strokes person when I was younger,

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<v Speaker 3>So I had that kind of like tipping the scale

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<v Speaker 3>like altness that I could like I could fall back

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<v Speaker 3>into Avril if I needed.

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<v Speaker 2>To you have every old thing, every real thing you like.

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<v Speaker 2>You collect Avrilavine coins and you can spend on Aril

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<v Speaker 2>fans exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>You do need to have a pillar of genuine cool

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<v Speaker 1>and then you're allowed to be silly.

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<v Speaker 3>That girl can sing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I love. I just remember at the time, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, this is because I have foreign parents

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't have older siblings, so like, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what, I don't know where to, I have no

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<v Speaker 2>context for anything. And I remember every art musical artist

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<v Speaker 2>I would like, I would then immediately find out they

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<v Speaker 2>were considered lame. I'd be like, I love Simple Plan

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<v Speaker 2>because I saw them on MTV and I like love

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<v Speaker 2>the video where they're like the ceiling is crumbling around them.

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<v Speaker 2>And then people would be like, that's the lamest band.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like the one band you shouldn't like.

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<v Speaker 3>Thoughts, what are they listening to?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think okay, so here's what it was, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is gonna sound insane now. The quol kids were

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<v Speaker 2>listening to Dave Matthews band and it was cool that

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<v Speaker 2>they knew what that was.

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<v Speaker 3>That's so like Big Sister.

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<v Speaker 2>It's literally bragging about having context for America. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>it's being like you're an immigrant. I like Dave Matthews,

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<v Speaker 2>and there were you know, we didn't have Google. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean there was Google, but the idea that I would

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<v Speaker 2>understand what Dave Matthews like, I could not buy myself

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<v Speaker 2>without help understand the significance of Dave Matthew's man.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, one thing that is sort of not talked about

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<v Speaker 1>is that like frat culture did was cool for like

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<v Speaker 1>middle school and high schoolers because you were like, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what college kids like. So there was like a value

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<v Speaker 1>system of being like like it was cool to like

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<v Speaker 1>Dave Matthews and like oaar like like, oh, that would

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<v Speaker 1>be awesome if I like them, and but it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>ever speak to me in a real way.

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<v Speaker 3>It really feels like I'm the camp counselor and you're

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<v Speaker 3>the camper and I like Dave Matthews and totally yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and then my CD case.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But I do think there were there must have

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<v Speaker 1>been kids in your Jersey school that thought like simple

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<v Speaker 1>plan was cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Not the cool ones.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, but that's also because I think cool in

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<v Speaker 1>a place like that is is just rich.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I say something another? No, is the thing I actually,

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<v Speaker 2>like I I wish it was that simple, but it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was.

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<v Speaker 2>There was literally a hierarchy of cool and I just

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't crack it. Here's another example. I first time I

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<v Speaker 2>heard my Immortal by a Vanescence, I said, this girl

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<v Speaker 2>has pipes. This is a great band. Come to find

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<v Speaker 2>out that was also illegal at my school.

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<v Speaker 1>I just can't.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, how care, Yeah you guess what is legal?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Were you at a preppy school?

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<v Speaker 2>I was at a preppy school.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, then that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>But but then the old kids were somehow knowledgeable, Like

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<v Speaker 2>even the kids that would have liked Vanessence were somehow

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<v Speaker 2>knowledgeable enough to like Black Sabbath, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>What I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah yeah, And.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was I was like the sort of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like I was just fed whatever whatever MTV

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<v Speaker 2>was feeding me. I was immediately slopping up, and they

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<v Speaker 2>were like, god, how pedestrian.

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<v Speaker 3>There was this really interesting subculture when I was in

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<v Speaker 3>high school of like kids that dressed like they were

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<v Speaker 3>heavy metal. Like it was it like kind of verged

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<v Speaker 3>into skater territory or punk territory. But it was very

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<v Speaker 3>like David Lee Roth, like like heavy metal like pop

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<v Speaker 3>metal band, but they like all rolled together and like

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<v Speaker 3>had a harem of girls that were just kind of like,

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<v Speaker 3>we're all losing opportunity tonight. And it was so like

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't see that anymore. I know, Like, now,

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<v Speaker 3>what is.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you plugged into youth culture?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know?

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<v Speaker 3>Asked me a question I have, Like I'm on TikTok.

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<v Speaker 2>I like, yeah, TikTok, but I was I had a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty jarring what is the Dave Matthews band of Now?

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<v Speaker 2>What is the sort of older what is the sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like the thing that your older sibling would introduce

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<v Speaker 2>you to that would make you cool? You know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Because now the Internet is so prominent,

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<v Speaker 1>older siblings don't gatekeep anymore. We need to bring back

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<v Speaker 1>the gate keepers.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I've said this forever.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, God, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>You went to a year from New York, right, so you

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<v Speaker 2>were around, Like were you going to shows?

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<v Speaker 3>I was. I was dating a musician when I was

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<v Speaker 3>in high school who is much older than me. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I know it's scandalous.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a huge celebrity.

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<v Speaker 3>No, but I would go. I like learned a lot

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<v Speaker 3>about how to be on stage from being like a

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<v Speaker 3>roadie basically for this band, and I would go out

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<v Speaker 3>all night and like do do fun things that I

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't supposed to do?

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<v Speaker 2>Were you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know it's funny that that's just like true,

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<v Speaker 1>like when you grew up in New York. That's just

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<v Speaker 1>like what happens. Is it like embarrassing when like you

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<v Speaker 1>meet like a twenty three year old who just moved here,

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<v Speaker 1>who's like, I want to fucking go out because you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you twelve? Exactly?

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<v Speaker 3>But also like I went to college in Minneapolis, so

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<v Speaker 3>did this kind of like personality one eighty for four

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<v Speaker 3>years and kind of like unlearned everything that I had

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<v Speaker 3>like built up in New York for credibility. And then

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<v Speaker 3>I moved back to New York immediately afterwards and had

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<v Speaker 3>to unlearn my personality one eighty and like and become

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<v Speaker 3>who I was four years prior.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you specifically want to be in a non New

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<v Speaker 2>York environment?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, The tuition was super cheap, which was like the

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<v Speaker 3>main reason. But I also was like this is.

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<v Speaker 2>So random of me, Like this is going hunting on

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<v Speaker 2>all of.

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<v Speaker 3>My cool friends. I was doing rebelling against this.

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<v Speaker 2>Much like the idea that Dave Matthew's band is cool.

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<v Speaker 2>There's something about being a New York kid. I've noticed

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<v Speaker 2>that many people who grew up in New York where

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<v Speaker 2>they almost fetishize like middle class suburbia totally because it's

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<v Speaker 2>like something it's their version of someone not from New York.

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<v Speaker 2>Watching you know, Harmony Krin's kids or something. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, oh my god, they're doing what they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to malls.

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<v Speaker 3>No, totally did feel like a culture shock. Uh yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>But also I was so like head to toe black,

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<v Speaker 3>like like look at my metro card, like kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like you were such a snob about it, Like the first.

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<v Speaker 2>Card was like like oh it just fell out, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I just have to get around back where I'm from.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I would like I had like a mini

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<v Speaker 3>fridge in my dorm that literally just had ginger ale

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<v Speaker 3>and rum in it, and I would just have my

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<v Speaker 3>friends over and I would like play like pull up

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<v Speaker 3>my iTunes library and like, oh, I bet you entertained.

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<v Speaker 2>So many songs that what was what was on the roster,

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<v Speaker 2>what was on the iTunes library?

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<v Speaker 3>Gosh, I was so obsessed with Animal Collective and Blonde

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<v Speaker 3>Redhead and that kind of stuff. Yeah, so like like

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<v Speaker 3>stoner music kind of yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>God, indie rock and call. I know, I didn't quite

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<v Speaker 1>like it.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, I almost this is a hard pivot, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>almost like, before we do our first segment, should we do?

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<v Speaker 2>You want to like promote stuff now so that we

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<v Speaker 2>can like get everyone listening, you know, and then we

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<v Speaker 2>do segments.

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever whatever you think I can do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I put out a record in September called and

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<v Speaker 3>His Splash Band that was so good, Thank you, and

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<v Speaker 3>that was really fun to make, and I toured it

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<v Speaker 3>around and now I'm mostly just writing well and new stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>And I released the Covers EP where I covered some

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<v Speaker 3>of my favorite songs.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, have you listened to the Sabrina Carpenter cover?

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 3>I covered Sabrina, which I met Sabrina too, which was

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<v Speaker 3>really cool. I played this like Jack Antonov benefit thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's note you guys, please donate, and that's what

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<v Speaker 2>you're here to promote tonight. Please donate, Please donate. Is

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<v Speaker 2>not doing well that album is.

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<v Speaker 1>I can hear the beeping of the hospital right now.

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<v Speaker 3>No, but I remember she was He did a really

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<v Speaker 3>nice thing where he was like, Sabrina like Liam covered

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<v Speaker 3>you and I kind of just usually when I'm kind

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<v Speaker 3>of at a loss for words, I just say like

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<v Speaker 3>it's beautiful, like you know, like I say something like

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<v Speaker 3>really earnest like that I don't necessarily wouldn't have necessarily

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<v Speaker 3>come naturally to me. But she was like, taste is

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<v Speaker 3>beautiful and I was like, yeah, I think it's a

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<v Speaker 3>really beautiful song. She's like, I've never heard that before

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<v Speaker 3>from anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, so you've never heard it. She's like, so

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<v Speaker 1>you're not listening.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I was like guards and then I pulled

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<v Speaker 3>out no.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like it sounds like the Doobie Brothers to me,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's what I said to her, I mean, and

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<v Speaker 3>she was like yeah, and we like talked about Michael McDonald.

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<v Speaker 3>It was very weird.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool.

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<v Speaker 3>She's really She's really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I was wondering this actually, like what is your relationship

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<v Speaker 1>to like I feel like the lines between like indie

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<v Speaker 1>and like pop are more blurred these days, and like

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<v Speaker 1>when you like, what how do you view like the

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<v Speaker 1>pop girls?

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<v Speaker 3>I I like the pop girls. I wanna I love

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<v Speaker 3>I love Pink Pantheress I love ethel Caine.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, we love it.

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<v Speaker 3>I love who I consider like. I think Charlie's great,

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<v Speaker 3>I think Sabrina's great. I think they're all cool. I

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<v Speaker 3>like I think that there's like a freak factor drought

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<v Speaker 3>in music right now, like where, which is why I

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<v Speaker 3>like so like the Gaga record, like I love, I

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<v Speaker 3>like it. I love her because of her like talent,

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't even like I wouldn't necessarily like love

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<v Speaker 3>all her music, but ippreciate that she has the gall

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<v Speaker 3>to like be so musical theater with like abrikadabra or something,

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<v Speaker 3>and like no one else really has the gall necessarily,

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<v Speaker 3>and like, I just want a freak so bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's tough because the Charlie did to an extent,

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<v Speaker 2>the like whole Brat era could have ushered in a

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<v Speaker 2>more freak forward pop landscape, but I actually sort of

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<v Speaker 2>don't think it did. And I think everyone who attempted

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<v Speaker 2>to emulate the Brat thing. I mean, I'm immediately thinking

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<v Speaker 2>of like Katie Perry trying to be Camilla and Camilla

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<v Speaker 2>like it never felt quite authentic.

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<v Speaker 1>No, Yeah, have you heard the new Selena Gomez song that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Like Charlie song. Yeah she wrote it, but it's like

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<v Speaker 3>so good. Yeah, no, I'm I'm glad Charlie is getting

0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:58.600
<v Speaker 3>her flowers. Yeah, like yeah, lots of people have said that.

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<v Speaker 1>I watched like the end of her Coachella thing on

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<v Speaker 1>the internet. Oh yeah, and it was so I was

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<v Speaker 1>still like, I because you think you're gonna get tired

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<v Speaker 1>of it and you're like, no, this is so fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's just like you know, text being like what

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<v Speaker 1>am I doing? I'm should I still be doing? Brat?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this embarrassing?

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<v Speaker 3>Really?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? And it was like I was like, this is great,

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<v Speaker 1>that's cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Catherine was saying she was like, it's good that the

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<v Speaker 2>coolest person is is a millennial. Like that's like, oh wait,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. It's like, oh and for

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<v Speaker 2>now at least we have we have that totally.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a really good point.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>First segment.

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<v Speaker 2>Our first segment is called straight Shooters, and in this segment,

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<v Speaker 2>we ask you a series of rapid fire questions to

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<v Speaker 2>gauge your familiarity with incomplicity and straight culture. You have

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<v Speaker 2>to choose one thing or another thing you have to

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<v Speaker 2>go with your gut and the one rule is you

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<v Speaker 2>can't ask any follow up questions about how the game works,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you do, it will be so.

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<v Speaker 3>Angry with you. I'm gonna try my best, good George, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Go first, though, speaking out or chasing clout, chasing clout,

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<v Speaker 2>sloppy seconds or yester years yester years, subway delays or

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<v Speaker 2>birthday malays, subway delays.

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<v Speaker 1>Living your truth or living in Duluth.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, living in Duluth.

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<v Speaker 2>St him or my bestie Sium.

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<v Speaker 1>My bestI Sium for sure mind similar coping mechanisms or

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<v Speaker 1>hoping for orgasisms, hoping for orgasisms definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>Breaking up Monopoly power or waking up aboard the Mayflower.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, breaking up Monopoly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's try at Coachella Wow. Okay. We rank everyone's

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<v Speaker 2>performance on the scale of zero to one thousand Doves

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<v Speaker 2>of Grass, but now we to zero to one thousand

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<v Speaker 2>Blades of Grass.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know if it's catching on yet. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess we'll see no.

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<v Speaker 1>But I like that we're growing and changing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very iconic to choose the single least discussed song

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<v Speaker 2>on the album Blades of Grass all love to make

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<v Speaker 2>the name of our our segment.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's really well, yes, what else would we do? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>zombie boys? Yo.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean there is something about zero one thousand doves

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<v Speaker 2>that really rolled off the tug. But I'm getting used

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<v Speaker 2>to blades of grass. And I also like the idea

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<v Speaker 2>that we would give someone a gift of here you

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<v Speaker 2>seven hundred blades of grass.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's some thousand shadows of Yeah, let's.

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<v Speaker 2>Do for this one. Let's do zero to one thousand

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<v Speaker 2>shadows of a man.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I'm going to go ahead and say seven.

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<v Speaker 3>Shadows of the can Congratulations, okay, And I can't ask why. Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>we bask.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought you did a great job. We rank it

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<v Speaker 2>based on performance.

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<v Speaker 1>It's basically a performance.

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<v Speaker 2>Based I would say, you were so confident and you

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<v Speaker 2>were so like chill about it, and it was like

0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:16.639
<v Speaker 2>you had done it before. I guess I would say

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<v Speaker 2>it was almost like you were chill dambing us in

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<v Speaker 2>the sense that you were like not impressed with and

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<v Speaker 2>yeah you were like okay, yeah, it was sort of

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<v Speaker 2>like you were like, all right, it went too quick. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you know, sometimes we appreciate a little a

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<v Speaker 2>little like.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I've been I'm in the practice or in

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<v Speaker 3>the in the occupation of tokenizing myself as gay guys

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<v Speaker 3>surrounded by straight band boys. So you know, I have

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<v Speaker 3>to I have to be the chill do I see?

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<v Speaker 1>That must be.

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<v Speaker 3>Hard, you know, yeah, yeah, what is your what is.

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<v Speaker 2>It is difficult? What is your strategy for being the

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<v Speaker 2>only gay guy in the room?

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes, well, you I feel like, uh, actually, most recently,

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<v Speaker 3>on this tour that I did in Europe, I was

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<v Speaker 3>touring with this band of straight guys and they were

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<v Speaker 3>all toring together, but I was toying by myself. So

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<v Speaker 3>I truly would not have uttered a word to a

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<v Speaker 3>single person on my travel day to arrive at the venue,

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<v Speaker 3>and then I would get into the green room and

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<v Speaker 3>I would be like, gab, gab, gab, gab, gap, like

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<v Speaker 3>not stop, like clown show. And that's I think where

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<v Speaker 3>I I end up. So you were kind of going,

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<v Speaker 3>like entertainer, I do become diva and I become kind

0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:52.080
<v Speaker 3>of crass and sassy, and and they love it. They

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<v Speaker 3>love to hear it. Yeah, I'm smacking them on the ass.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying show me your cock.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, fun stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>We do that at the iHeart Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>No, totally. That hallway that you walk to get the

0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:13.880
<v Speaker 3>tunnel of hits actually, if I was, if I was hungover, no,

0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:14.960
<v Speaker 3>it hurts, it hurts.

0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:16.760
<v Speaker 2>It's enough to make your turn around and walk back.

0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:19.360
<v Speaker 1>You have to be strong to get through.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, cool.

0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:22.800
<v Speaker 2>Should we get into straight topic?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm very curious what your straight topic?

0:27:26.160 --> 0:27:27.720
<v Speaker 2>What's your straight topic? And what do you think is

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<v Speaker 2>straight about it?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>So I think okay, So hobbies like hobbies that you

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<v Speaker 3>uh do in public? I walking the streets of New

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<v Speaker 3>York lately have been seeing a lot of yo yo's

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<v Speaker 3>happening from amongst boys and men, and then and then

0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:56.600
<v Speaker 3>more men more recently stunting on me with ball and cup.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know what I'm talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>You know exactly what you're talking about. Like balling cup

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<v Speaker 1>is the old school style game.

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<v Speaker 3>The Depression era wooden toy.

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<v Speaker 1>They try to get a ball on a string into a.

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<v Speaker 3>Cup, into a cup, and they're just kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of casually like yeah.

0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:14.200
<v Speaker 3>Talking to their friends with the ball and cup.

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<v Speaker 2>And these are how are they? How are they dressed?

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<v Speaker 3>They're dressed like, you know, like wife beater, Yeah, the

0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:29.160
<v Speaker 3>flannel like uh like skater legged pants, white legged pants

0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:31.960
<v Speaker 3>or it's kind of more on like the metro like

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<v Speaker 3>uh espresso, espresso cup, skateboard like uh earing thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye, sort of like scene could be located in any

0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:48.600
<v Speaker 2>major American or European city.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like if men's wear. It's like an offshoot

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:59.080
<v Speaker 3>of like bay Blades, but yeah, right they're listed like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to give that yet.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the big thing is that it is like fidgeting

0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:07.200
<v Speaker 1>for the last decade has been huge. Yeah, like bay Blades,

0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:10.840
<v Speaker 1>the fidget spinners. Ye, it's been very cool to have

0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:13.520
<v Speaker 1>a little toy with you. Yeah if you were like twelve,

0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:17.440
<v Speaker 1>ten years ago and now you're twenty two and you're

0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:19.480
<v Speaker 1>like cool, and you're like, well, I still got to

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<v Speaker 1>play with my toy.

0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:22.760
<v Speaker 3>No exactly, I sti't need to play with my toy

0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:24.600
<v Speaker 3>and I can't give you my full attention. Yeah.

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:25.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:27.800
<v Speaker 2>This is such a rich topic because it's the intersection

0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:33.480
<v Speaker 2>of so much stuff around the crisis and masculinity. So

0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:36.560
<v Speaker 2>on the one hand, we have the return to analog.

0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:41.520
<v Speaker 2>It's a sort of you know, Vinyl Resurgence adjacent type thing, like,

0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:43.560
<v Speaker 2>of course I'm going to play with wooden toys rather

0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:47.240
<v Speaker 2>than an iPhone app, So there's that. Then there is

0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:50.920
<v Speaker 2>a sort of I'm sorry to say this, but a

0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:54.160
<v Speaker 2>sort of performance of autism that I find is like

0:29:54.440 --> 0:29:56.920
<v Speaker 2>conscious among men who almost like want to show you

0:29:57.000 --> 0:30:00.920
<v Speaker 2>how little they care totally, so they're just like it's

0:30:00.920 --> 0:30:04.360
<v Speaker 2>almost an extension of like the businessman having a little

0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:07.240
<v Speaker 2>basketball hoop in his office and doing that while he's

0:30:07.240 --> 0:30:10.480
<v Speaker 2>in a meeting with a woman. Yeah, but it's the

0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:12.240
<v Speaker 2>contemporary skater version of that.

0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:12.840
<v Speaker 1>M M.

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<v Speaker 2>Then there is the kind of semi ironic back to

0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:23.200
<v Speaker 2>baby movement, which is like grown men in their thirties

0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:27.080
<v Speaker 2>dressing and acting like babies almost as a way to

0:30:27.160 --> 0:30:31.880
<v Speaker 2>like reject It's almost like a response to frankly like wokeness.

0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:35.440
<v Speaker 2>It's like, rather than caring about the election, I'm in

0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 2>a crib, Like i am literally like I'm wearing clothes

0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 2>that do not fit me, and I'm like walking in

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:47.320
<v Speaker 2>the middle of the street because I just like don't really,

0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:50.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to all the sidewalk and I'm playing with

0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:53.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, up toy for babies.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think that it's about being seen though, like

0:30:57.080 --> 0:30:58.680
<v Speaker 3>about others or is that gay?

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's the thing is like it is it is

0:31:02.240 --> 0:31:04.600
<v Speaker 2>about being seen, but you don't have the courage to

0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:06.920
<v Speaker 2>do something to be a diva. You don't have the

0:31:06.960 --> 0:31:10.880
<v Speaker 2>courage to like walk walk into a room and start belting.

0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:11.520
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:13.960
<v Speaker 3>What would be really gay is if like they were

0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:17.080
<v Speaker 3>just like dragging the ball behind and it wasn't going

0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:18.160
<v Speaker 3>in the cup and their.

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:21.280
<v Speaker 1>Dad was like play with it. Yeah, like no, Yeah.

0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:25.760
<v Speaker 1>I think there's also something where it is like you're

0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:28.479
<v Speaker 1>trying to show that you're part of the group. Like

0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 1>that's part of it too, where you're like I remember

0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:33.920
<v Speaker 1>like hacky sack culture and really sort of wanting to

0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 1>be like, well, maybe I could be into hacky sack culture,

0:31:36.680 --> 0:31:39.080
<v Speaker 1>Like I could immediately have four friends if I just

0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:42.040
<v Speaker 1>we're into this a little bit, and so it's like

0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:46.120
<v Speaker 1>a quick way into friendship. Yeah, that obviously is a

0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:49.800
<v Speaker 1>little bit sad, but at the same time, you know,

0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:51.320
<v Speaker 1>it's better than no way into friendship.

0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:57.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, baby, performance maybe performance.

0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:00.280
<v Speaker 2>There's also it's like all of it comes down to

0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:01.520
<v Speaker 2>like can you believe I'm doing this?

0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:06.680
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? Okay, I fully I wonder

0:32:06.720 --> 0:32:09.480
<v Speaker 1>how you'll feel about this as someone in uh sort

0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:13.160
<v Speaker 1>of music indie circles where I feel like that's such

0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 1>a thing, though, is to like have a thing that

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:18.760
<v Speaker 1>is like oh, that's like blah blah blah, he blows

0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:21.880
<v Speaker 1>bubbles all the time, like and it's like I remember

0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:24.320
<v Speaker 1>those guys, Like I meet guys that were like, oh

0:32:24.400 --> 0:32:27.640
<v Speaker 1>he like dresses like that, I know, and you like

0:32:27.720 --> 0:32:28.520
<v Speaker 1>have to have a thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It used to be like heroin total it would have

0:32:31.400 --> 0:32:32.840
<v Speaker 3>been like actually cool.

0:32:32.840 --> 0:32:36.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now it's macha No exactly, No, it does it

0:32:36.320 --> 0:32:39.640
<v Speaker 2>almost It's like the character in the Prince's Diaries, the

0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:41.640
<v Speaker 2>love interest who plays the piano when there's m and

0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:44.600
<v Speaker 2>ms on it, you know what I mean. Or it's

0:32:44.600 --> 0:32:46.720
<v Speaker 2>like Zachary Quipto and Girls where he just has a

0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:47.760
<v Speaker 2>tooth brush in his mouth.

0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:50.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, totally.

0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:53.640
<v Speaker 3>No, totally, huh. I love it. I love that it

0:32:53.720 --> 0:32:56.520
<v Speaker 3>is kind of deeply anti social. Yes, it's deeply anti.

0:32:56.360 --> 0:32:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Social, and it's just like another way. It's like another fuck.

0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:04.480
<v Speaker 2>It's actually like the same as a businessman being on

0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:07.200
<v Speaker 2>his phone doing emails, but you're just doing the old

0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:07.760
<v Speaker 2>version of that.

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<v Speaker 3>No, totally. I talk about this with my therapist a lot,

0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:14.320
<v Speaker 3>where I want to be like more cavalier and kind

0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:16.640
<v Speaker 3>of and I kind of associate like walking around with

0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:19.440
<v Speaker 3>the toothbrush in your mouth to be cavalier. Yeah, and

0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 3>kind of eccentric and yeah yeah, and I've always wanted

0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:27.600
<v Speaker 3>to be more of that. No, you like watch like

0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:30.400
<v Speaker 3>old Courtney Love interviews and stuff and be like, well,

0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:32.160
<v Speaker 3>she's like one of the smartest people in the world,

0:33:32.200 --> 0:33:35.560
<v Speaker 3>but like she just like stuff like that and pick

0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:37.040
<v Speaker 3>something that is my thing.

0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:37.800
<v Speaker 1>Totally.

0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But I wonder where is the line between when

0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:45.480
<v Speaker 2>you see Corney Love doing that, it's so incredible and

0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:47.840
<v Speaker 2>seems so authentic, and when you see a guy in

0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Dimes Square that's like yo yo ing, You're like, I

0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:54.000
<v Speaker 2>want to punch him in the face. Yeah, And what

0:33:54.200 --> 0:33:58.240
<v Speaker 2>is it that, Like, what is the difference? I mean,

0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:00.280
<v Speaker 2>other than you know, whatever one is.

0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:02.400
<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of them are rich kids, and

0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:05.720
<v Speaker 3>I feel like, if you're rich, it's your responsibility to

0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:10.320
<v Speaker 3>flaunt it and be like a dandy, like a fancy guy,

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:14.040
<v Speaker 3>you know. And if you're not a fancy guy, then

0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:17.480
<v Speaker 3>like then you don't deserve you don't deserve to be

0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:21.880
<v Speaker 3>a fancy guy. Like it's like totally like why are

0:34:21.920 --> 0:34:23.240
<v Speaker 3>you playing with a wooden toy?

0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:27.319
<v Speaker 2>Like right, right, right, right, you should be like in

0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:31.120
<v Speaker 2>a three piece suit and a pipe totally like I

0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:33.759
<v Speaker 2>would be so under tipping away that like weird.

0:34:33.560 --> 0:34:38.640
<v Speaker 3>Like haberdasherie like culture. Like uh, okay, so maybe kind

0:34:38.640 --> 0:34:39.640
<v Speaker 3>of cooler than.

0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, thank you for bringing a class analysis in no,

0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:47.880
<v Speaker 2>because that is true, because you don't. It is like

0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:52.880
<v Speaker 2>a there is something about those guys where regardless of

0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:55.400
<v Speaker 2>how to shovel they look, they are ultimately weirdly wearing

0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:59.760
<v Speaker 2>like supreme like they are actually wearing expensive clothing.

0:35:01.000 --> 0:35:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, this is this is something I'm struggling with in general,

0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:06.040
<v Speaker 1>where the more I'm like around in the world, like

0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:07.760
<v Speaker 1>I kind of thought everybody was on the same page,

0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:09.920
<v Speaker 1>and now I'm like, oh, nobody's on the same.

0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Nobody's on the same page. The culture has never been

0:35:12.400 --> 0:35:13.000
<v Speaker 2>more fractured.

0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:16.799
<v Speaker 1>And like literally the price of people's clothes. I was like, oh,

0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:19.279
<v Speaker 1>everybody's doing exactly the same as me. And it's like

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:23.160
<v Speaker 1>not even clothes, like that random T shirt is three

0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:28.480
<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars and like I had no idea and they're like, well, yeah,

0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 1>like of course, and they think that's normal. It's freaking

0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:32.680
<v Speaker 1>me out.

0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:39.120
<v Speaker 2>Yes, But then there's also like the there's also the

0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:41.800
<v Speaker 2>other side of that, which is almost like bragging about

0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:44.000
<v Speaker 2>how you are wearing how you have a bunch of

0:35:44.000 --> 0:35:45.799
<v Speaker 2>expensive stuff that you didn't pay for because you are

0:35:45.800 --> 0:35:49.759
<v Speaker 2>plugged into communities where that stuff gets passed around. Yeah,

0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:53.600
<v Speaker 2>and actually the ability to know the difference is also

0:35:53.680 --> 0:35:57.200
<v Speaker 2>this in group dynamic of like the contemporary version of

0:35:57.280 --> 0:36:00.680
<v Speaker 2>like woman of like quiet luxury versus is you know,

0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:01.720
<v Speaker 2>loud wealth.

0:36:03.440 --> 0:36:08.080
<v Speaker 3>Do you still see people in your orbit ever like

0:36:07.800 --> 0:36:11.799
<v Speaker 3>fit like thank a brand for giving them anything, you know,

0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:15.800
<v Speaker 3>like they bought it that I've never considered.

0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:19.200
<v Speaker 2>I think, I think, do you think people are doing that?

0:36:19.280 --> 0:36:21.279
<v Speaker 2>But even though they bought it, know that they can

0:36:21.320 --> 0:36:21.719
<v Speaker 2>get more.

0:36:22.320 --> 0:36:24.000
<v Speaker 1>I have to say, no, one that we know.

0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I've always wanted to do I've always wanted to

0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:30.640
<v Speaker 2>do that as a bit and I'm literally terrified that

0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:33.879
<v Speaker 2>some people will take it seriously. Like I'm trying to think,

0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:37.640
<v Speaker 2>what I like buying something that you would like even

0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:40.239
<v Speaker 2>just like Starbucks or you know, something stupid and then

0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:44.799
<v Speaker 2>and then being like thank you Starbucks. But I'm just

0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:46.960
<v Speaker 2>like terrified at this point that one person would think

0:36:46.960 --> 0:36:47.520
<v Speaker 2>I was serious.

0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:49.319
<v Speaker 1>Well do you want to try it for blue bottle?

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 1>Thanks Blue bottle without you, I couldn't podcast.

0:36:57.440 --> 0:37:01.560
<v Speaker 2>What brand would you like to send you free stuff? Yeah,

0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:06.920
<v Speaker 2>like a like a nice sunscreen okay, you got a.

0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:15.520
<v Speaker 1>High yeah, uh, I'm seeing it head to toe. Gucci?

0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:17.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Gucci Gucci.

0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:22.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, great Gucci. So either sunscreen or Gucci ideally both,

0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:27.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, or like coffee, actually coffee, I mean I do.

0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:31.120
<v Speaker 2>I've always fetishized the concept of a lifetime supply of something.

0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Of course, well I have to, but I have always

0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:36.640
<v Speaker 1>gotten caught up in sort of what that means legally.

0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Sure. Well, also then the way it's tax I don't

0:37:39.040 --> 0:37:43.319
<v Speaker 2>even want to lie. They said that you're actually like

0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:46.000
<v Speaker 2>more poor than you've ever read, and also being sued

0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:46.600
<v Speaker 2>by four people.

0:37:47.320 --> 0:37:51.319
<v Speaker 3>Did you ever watch a celebrity Big Brother UK with

0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:53.200
<v Speaker 3>Pete Burns and Dennis Rodman?

0:37:53.440 --> 0:37:53.960
<v Speaker 1>No?

0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:57.719
<v Speaker 3>No, then it's it's like high art. It's like incredible,

0:37:57.840 --> 0:38:01.320
<v Speaker 3>And there's this they like make you rat your food

0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:04.520
<v Speaker 3>on that show, like you have to like win challenges

0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:06.719
<v Speaker 3>in order to like get bed.

0:38:06.760 --> 0:38:07.319
<v Speaker 1>In this way.

0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:11.080
<v Speaker 3>It's really dark. But they all as a house decided

0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:14.200
<v Speaker 3>that they wanted to forfeit the food in exchange for

0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:18.120
<v Speaker 3>coffee and cigarettes, and that was like the coolest thing

0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:20.799
<v Speaker 3>I've ever seen on TV. And it's like them in

0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:23.840
<v Speaker 3>the interview room being like all we want is coffee

0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:27.560
<v Speaker 3>and cigarettes, like get rid of everything else. That's what

0:38:27.600 --> 0:38:28.920
<v Speaker 3>I want my lifetime to supply.

0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:33.560
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I bump up against this idea that reality TV

0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:35.239
<v Speaker 2>is high art because it's like such a classic thing

0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:37.799
<v Speaker 2>where people like Real Housewives is Shakespeare and I'm like, no,

0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:39.080
<v Speaker 2>it's not. And then you hear things like that and

0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:39.879
<v Speaker 2>you're like it is.

0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:43.759
<v Speaker 3>But those seasons they have, like there was like a

0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:46.719
<v Speaker 3>member of Parliament on it, and they're like, it's like

0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:49.200
<v Speaker 3>there's like an old person, a young person, d D

0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:54.280
<v Speaker 3>D like it. It feels very like surreal and weird.

0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:56.440
<v Speaker 1>I want to go back to the idea of having

0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:56.759
<v Speaker 1>a thing.

0:38:56.880 --> 0:38:58.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, have you ever had a thing?

0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:01.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh? A thing?

0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:04.279
<v Speaker 2>Uh?

0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:08.719
<v Speaker 3>I used to imitate Mariah Carey for money in my

0:39:08.760 --> 0:39:10.200
<v Speaker 3>after school program.

0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:14.160
<v Speaker 2>When I was a kid when you say for before

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:15.920
<v Speaker 2>my voice had change, but in the affter.

0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:19.600
<v Speaker 3>School, so what was like, like I would just I

0:39:19.600 --> 0:39:22.319
<v Speaker 3>would fully do the like head voice like and I

0:39:22.400 --> 0:39:25.840
<v Speaker 3>was good, I could do it. Whoa and uh I

0:39:25.840 --> 0:39:28.920
<v Speaker 3>would they would They would give me like fifty cents

0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:30.560
<v Speaker 3>it was like bust.

0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:31.560
<v Speaker 2>It was during the depression.

0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:36.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Uh, but I don't know a thing.

0:39:36.719 --> 0:39:37.799
<v Speaker 1>Like a passive thing.

0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:39.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm trying to think.

0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:43.520
<v Speaker 1>I feel like in college, I kept trying to have

0:39:43.560 --> 0:39:44.080
<v Speaker 1>a thing.

0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:45.760
<v Speaker 2>Like what were the things you tried?

0:39:45.880 --> 0:39:49.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, I like I had these like insane bright red shoes,

0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:51.759
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, that's my thing, isn't the guy

0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:52.680
<v Speaker 1>with red shoes?

0:39:52.719 --> 0:39:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Well you went through a phase which I'm noticing is

0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:57.440
<v Speaker 2>less so now where you were really leading into cowboy

0:39:57.520 --> 0:39:58.520
<v Speaker 2>look and that was your thing.

0:39:59.760 --> 0:40:03.040
<v Speaker 1>Ran. Yeah, I mean I'm still I'm still I'm finding

0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:04.680
<v Speaker 1>a happy medium with the cowboy thing.

0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:09.919
<v Speaker 2>This is the most like twenty tens American apparel thing.

0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:12.279
<v Speaker 2>But when I was in college, I want I was like,

0:40:12.360 --> 0:40:17.080
<v Speaker 2>my thing will be like bright colored cords like corduroys,

0:40:17.480 --> 0:40:19.759
<v Speaker 2>and like I will have like a bright blue one

0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:22.279
<v Speaker 2>of like sort of like burgundy one, a bright red one,

0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:24.920
<v Speaker 2>a bright yellow one, and I bought a bunch and

0:40:24.960 --> 0:40:26.319
<v Speaker 2>then like a month later, I was.

0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:27.439
<v Speaker 1>Like, what the fuck are you doing?

0:40:27.560 --> 0:40:29.480
<v Speaker 2>Like I can't I can't commit to this, Like I

0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:31.839
<v Speaker 2>was just like I don't have and I would. I

0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:33.680
<v Speaker 2>bumped into the fact that it would be then very

0:40:33.680 --> 0:40:36.000
<v Speaker 2>difficult to style them with anything totally. So I was

0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:38.319
<v Speaker 2>like I looked like completely insane in those worlds.

0:40:38.360 --> 0:40:41.279
<v Speaker 3>Well know, the great thing about like loud pants is

0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:42.600
<v Speaker 3>that everything else can be.

0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:44.880
<v Speaker 2>I know, but I like didn't plan for that. So

0:40:44.920 --> 0:40:47.240
<v Speaker 2>I just had like T shirts that were like from

0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:50.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, urban outfitters and they said like pugs not drugs.

0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh god, yeah, talk about Minneapolis.

0:40:55.719 --> 0:40:58.239
<v Speaker 1>I know. I definitely wanted to be like, my thing

0:40:58.280 --> 0:40:59.920
<v Speaker 1>is that every day I have a funny T shirt.

0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that was like high school totally, but that's that's normal.

0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:04.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, of course.

0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:06.279
<v Speaker 2>I remember when I was in middle school and still

0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:09.920
<v Speaker 2>in New Jersey, I was obsessed with I didn't have

0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:11.279
<v Speaker 2>the courage to do this, but I was like I

0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:13.840
<v Speaker 2>wish I could pull up a bandana like boy band style.

0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:15.640
<v Speaker 2>Like I was just like, what if I just can

0:41:15.800 --> 0:41:19.560
<v Speaker 2>put on a white bandana or like a green bandana

0:41:19.560 --> 0:41:20.240
<v Speaker 2>and come to school?

0:41:20.360 --> 0:41:23.520
<v Speaker 3>You could have just done it. Yeah, it's hard, but

0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:27.480
<v Speaker 3>it again difficult to style well everything else. That's the thing.

0:41:27.520 --> 0:41:30.680
<v Speaker 3>It's like you pick one, I know, and then everything

0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:31.560
<v Speaker 3>else can be drab.

0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:32.120
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:41:32.160 --> 0:41:33.880
<v Speaker 2>What you also forget when you're a kid is like

0:41:34.120 --> 0:41:36.240
<v Speaker 2>because you don't have control of like how you're getting

0:41:36.280 --> 0:41:38.799
<v Speaker 2>places and and you don't have your own money. It's

0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:40.360
<v Speaker 2>like what you're saying, like, oh yeah, just buy a

0:41:40.400 --> 0:41:42.720
<v Speaker 2>bunch of basics. It's like that's a month long problem.

0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:46.160
<v Speaker 2>That is like multiple trips to the mall, like asking

0:41:46.200 --> 0:41:49.040
<v Speaker 2>your parents be like really, wow with I really want

0:41:49.600 --> 0:41:50.120
<v Speaker 2>you're going to wear?

0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:52.480
<v Speaker 1>And maybe like.

0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:57.680
<v Speaker 3>I feel like I was very like cross body bag

0:41:57.920 --> 0:42:03.280
<v Speaker 3>before it was like before it was a thing. Yeah,

0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:06.839
<v Speaker 3>And I was also victim to like chunky heel like

0:42:06.880 --> 0:42:11.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, like chunky heel shoe like but like keep

0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:14.759
<v Speaker 3>it leisure thing. I was like very much like all

0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:18.960
<v Speaker 3>my shoes are gonna look like that like sketchers like thing.

0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:22.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but have you ever tried to pull off like

0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:23.560
<v Speaker 2>a like overalls?

0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:26.279
<v Speaker 1>Of course you don't remember my overall? Oh you do?

0:42:26.440 --> 0:42:28.440
<v Speaker 2>You you could pull them up. See that's exactly how

0:42:28.480 --> 0:42:29.520
<v Speaker 2>I think I could never pull.

0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Off or like see the thing is having a thing

0:42:32.360 --> 0:42:35.439
<v Speaker 1>is so much easier in New York. Yeah. I could

0:42:35.440 --> 0:42:37.680
<v Speaker 1>try so many things here and you would be like, yeah,

0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:39.960
<v Speaker 1>he's trying a thing in LA. If you try to think,

0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:42.040
<v Speaker 1>people are like what does this say about you? They're

0:42:42.040 --> 0:42:44.279
<v Speaker 1>like why why would you do that. And that's so.

0:42:44.239 --> 0:42:46.640
<v Speaker 2>Funny because in LA, my image of like walking around

0:42:46.640 --> 0:42:48.360
<v Speaker 2>Silver Leg is like you see a couple and the

0:42:48.480 --> 0:42:52.759
<v Speaker 2>man is like fifty years old and wearing Vans and

0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:56.200
<v Speaker 2>the woman is full rockabilly and like twenty five, and

0:42:56.239 --> 0:42:58.160
<v Speaker 2>you just like can't question it.

0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:05.080
<v Speaker 3>It's crazy how the like Bomian like Safari desert thing

0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:11.000
<v Speaker 3>has still not died. No, No, it's so it's so Hardashery.

0:43:11.800 --> 0:43:14.600
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's the thing. New York versus LA is one

0:43:14.600 --> 0:43:16.840
<v Speaker 2>of our favorite topics. But essentially what this podcast the

0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:19.160
<v Speaker 2>same with LA is like, on the one hand, it

0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:21.040
<v Speaker 2>is you would think on the cutting edge of culture,

0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:23.920
<v Speaker 2>since they are producing all the culture that everyone else consuming.

0:43:24.120 --> 0:43:25.320
<v Speaker 2>On the other hand, you go there and it's so

0:43:25.440 --> 0:43:26.160
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and seven.

0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:30.840
<v Speaker 3>No, fully, yeah, big hat, Yeah, the big books are everywhere.

0:43:31.440 --> 0:43:34.920
<v Speaker 1>It's well, that's because New York is trying to impress

0:43:34.960 --> 0:43:37.240
<v Speaker 1>New York. LA is trying to impress the Midwest. Wow,

0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:40.560
<v Speaker 1>so they came to Edgy or they'll.

0:43:41.000 --> 0:43:43.040
<v Speaker 2>These that's true. Heleen hit the base.

0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:45.840
<v Speaker 3>No, that's so so true.

0:43:47.000 --> 0:43:50.759
<v Speaker 1>I find it very upsetting even because yeah, here when

0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:52.920
<v Speaker 1>you see someone who's dressed like really normal, you're like, well,

0:43:52.920 --> 0:43:55.360
<v Speaker 1>they're doing that on purpose. There's like a knowledge there

0:43:55.880 --> 0:43:58.040
<v Speaker 1>and they're You're like they don't know, they just they

0:43:58.080 --> 0:44:02.480
<v Speaker 1>just don't know. God, it's nice to be here and

0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:04.920
<v Speaker 1>just be able to ship talk. Yeah, thank god.

0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:10.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay yo yo's okay, okay.

0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:12.920
<v Speaker 3>Fidgeting, Yeah, figeting?

0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:14.399
<v Speaker 2>Are you a fidget for sure?

0:44:14.880 --> 0:44:19.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm like a nail bier. Oh yeah, until or like

0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:24.080
<v Speaker 3>I recently was like really really trying not to, but

0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:25.320
<v Speaker 3>I recently relapsed.

0:44:25.840 --> 0:44:27.279
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, how'd that go for you?

0:44:28.200 --> 0:44:31.680
<v Speaker 3>I was watching a movie and I just suddenly they

0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:33.200
<v Speaker 3>were gone and it was a real nail blighter.

0:44:33.560 --> 0:44:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, great thing you can do about that be

0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:37.759
<v Speaker 2>on your phone as well. Yeah, and then you won't

0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:38.080
<v Speaker 2>be better.

0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, this is where I'm when it comes to back

0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:43.640
<v Speaker 1>to Gabee straight of course, is that straight guys are

0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:46.360
<v Speaker 1>playing Wooden Cup game whereas gay guys are looking for

0:44:46.400 --> 0:44:47.360
<v Speaker 1>sex on their phone.

0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:50.160
<v Speaker 2>But I actually like think the Wooden Cup game is better.

0:44:50.239 --> 0:44:53.040
<v Speaker 2>Like I would love to reclaim Wooden Cup Game and

0:44:53.160 --> 0:44:56.400
<v Speaker 2>yoyo in a different context.

0:44:56.640 --> 0:45:00.320
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, the progremis of this podcast isn't that

0:45:00.360 --> 0:45:02.680
<v Speaker 1>gay is better than straight? Of course, Sometimes it's that

0:45:02.840 --> 0:45:05.960
<v Speaker 1>straight is better than gay. I actually would love to

0:45:06.040 --> 0:45:09.360
<v Speaker 1>play Wooden cup Game rather than be on sniffy is

0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:11.000
<v Speaker 1>looking at random dicks. Definitely.

0:45:11.080 --> 0:45:13.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think we need to invent a new fidgeting

0:45:13.560 --> 0:45:17.040
<v Speaker 2>thing that's sort of like specifically targeted towards gay guys

0:45:17.080 --> 0:45:20.480
<v Speaker 2>and maybe even the entire LGBTQ plus community. And I

0:45:20.760 --> 0:45:22.000
<v Speaker 2>wonder what that would be.

0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:25.120
<v Speaker 1>Imagine if so, whenever we go out of town for

0:45:25.160 --> 0:45:27.720
<v Speaker 1>a show, Imagine if instead of sitting in the hotel

0:45:27.760 --> 0:45:30.399
<v Speaker 1>room for three hours looking at the various apps, we

0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:32.960
<v Speaker 1>were playing cup game. We would be so good at

0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:33.359
<v Speaker 1>cup Game.

0:45:33.400 --> 0:45:36.040
<v Speaker 3>What about like de stressor like the like the balls

0:45:36.040 --> 0:45:37.960
<v Speaker 3>with the bells in them where you like you know

0:45:38.000 --> 0:45:41.600
<v Speaker 3>what I mean, or the or like a.

0:45:40.840 --> 0:45:43.360
<v Speaker 2>Squeezer or one of those things that's like full of

0:45:43.360 --> 0:45:44.760
<v Speaker 2>blue liquid and little dolphins.

0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:49.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm actually the most It's like we're

0:45:49.920 --> 0:45:51.319
<v Speaker 1>not on Snippy's but we're just doing this.

0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:53.920
<v Speaker 2>It was jerking off a dolphin.

0:45:57.000 --> 0:45:59.680
<v Speaker 1>That's actually an amazing idea and talk about a thing. Yeah,

0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:01.240
<v Speaker 1>if that was my thing.

0:46:01.320 --> 0:46:05.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh, people would be yeah you that is definitely the

0:46:05.480 --> 0:46:08.800
<v Speaker 2>gay version of having a yo yoga is just having

0:46:08.840 --> 0:46:12.239
<v Speaker 2>those like the gayest glittery or like leaking, just like

0:46:12.320 --> 0:46:15.440
<v Speaker 2>glittery blue liquid and little like beach balls and dolphins

0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:16.160
<v Speaker 2>flying everywhere.

0:46:16.760 --> 0:46:22.160
<v Speaker 1>That would be so great. Oh my god, I've actually recently.

0:46:22.080 --> 0:46:24.920
<v Speaker 3>When it's vapes, Oh it's babes.

0:46:25.080 --> 0:46:28.239
<v Speaker 2>It's definitely vabes. And also for a certain subset. I

0:46:28.239 --> 0:46:29.480
<v Speaker 2>know this is also on the phone, but for a

0:46:29.520 --> 0:46:31.880
<v Speaker 2>certain subset, it's like New York Times games, you know

0:46:31.920 --> 0:46:35.360
<v Speaker 2>what I mean. It's like it's word or it's crossword puzzle.

0:46:36.000 --> 0:46:38.040
<v Speaker 2>That's a big yeah.

0:46:38.120 --> 0:46:41.200
<v Speaker 1>In many ways, it's it's reading a book.

0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:42.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:46:43.200 --> 0:46:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I'm like, instead of three hours on an app,

0:46:47.000 --> 0:46:50.160
<v Speaker 1>I could just read a book and like get pretty far.

0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:53.839
<v Speaker 1>That realization has only hit me the last year.

0:46:54.200 --> 0:46:56.279
<v Speaker 2>I know. It's sort of crazy that all you have

0:46:56.320 --> 0:46:57.799
<v Speaker 2>to do is put your phone in a different room

0:46:57.800 --> 0:46:58.680
<v Speaker 2>and you could read a book.

0:46:58.719 --> 0:47:01.880
<v Speaker 1>You would read a whole book and you'll feel better.

0:47:02.400 --> 0:47:07.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know what I'm jealous of you for and

0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:12.920
<v Speaker 2>people that are like artists that are not writers or

0:47:12.920 --> 0:47:14.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know you're also a writer, but like

0:47:14.320 --> 0:47:16.759
<v Speaker 2>ours that are not like primarily like writing in a

0:47:16.800 --> 0:47:17.359
<v Speaker 2>Google doc.

0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:19.200
<v Speaker 1>You know. I love about No.

0:47:18.920 --> 0:47:21.680
<v Speaker 2>No, it's like because I know friends who aren't like

0:47:21.960 --> 0:47:23.640
<v Speaker 2>to be a musician, to be a painter, to be

0:47:23.680 --> 0:47:26.719
<v Speaker 2>a sculptor, you literally have to use your hands for

0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:30.080
<v Speaker 2>what you are doing. Totally, and can you imagine if

0:47:30.120 --> 0:47:32.520
<v Speaker 2>we had that luxury, like to wake up every day

0:47:32.520 --> 0:47:34.480
<v Speaker 2>and be a painter and be like I literally cannot

0:47:34.520 --> 0:47:35.400
<v Speaker 2>pick up my phone.

0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:36.320
<v Speaker 1>No, that would be nice.

0:47:36.520 --> 0:47:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Or I'm I'm in the studio, as I know there's

0:47:39.000 --> 0:47:41.520
<v Speaker 2>some downtime, but like I'm in the studio recording, and

0:47:41.560 --> 0:47:44.880
<v Speaker 2>so I have to have my guitar on mem you.

0:47:45.080 --> 0:47:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Essentially, it's like how I feel when I eat a burrito.

0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:50.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, well all we have is eating a burrito.

0:47:50.520 --> 0:47:53.120
<v Speaker 1>Do you understand, like at least I can't be touching my.

0:47:53.040 --> 0:47:59.040
<v Speaker 3>Friend minute, Yeah exactly. Yeah, it's nice. But also like

0:47:59.200 --> 0:48:02.480
<v Speaker 3>most of my time is spent like like head in

0:48:02.520 --> 0:48:06.120
<v Speaker 3>the clouds, like walking around like writing in my head.

0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:10.840
<v Speaker 2>Do you ban yourself from like do you take walks

0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:11.719
<v Speaker 2>that are like no tech?

0:48:12.440 --> 0:48:14.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Sometimes I think that's a big thing. Totally.

0:48:14.880 --> 0:48:17.000
<v Speaker 2>We should maybe try out at some point, I should

0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:19.840
<v Speaker 2>try it out, you know. James Cherry, Yeah, he recently

0:48:19.840 --> 0:48:22.680
<v Speaker 2>put he recently posted like he bought a laptop and

0:48:22.680 --> 0:48:25.560
<v Speaker 2>he was like it's crazy to like you guys are

0:48:25.600 --> 0:48:26.960
<v Speaker 2>not gonna believe this, but this is sort of the

0:48:27.000 --> 0:48:30.080
<v Speaker 2>first laptop I've ever bought, because he was just like, yeah,

0:48:30.120 --> 0:48:32.880
<v Speaker 2>I am an artist that works with my hands. I

0:48:32.920 --> 0:48:35.720
<v Speaker 2>when I went to college, I went to art school. Presumably,

0:48:35.719 --> 0:48:39.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm not. I'm not sure. It's like he's the default

0:48:39.400 --> 0:48:41.319
<v Speaker 2>of like you wake up, you're on a laptop has

0:48:41.360 --> 0:48:42.440
<v Speaker 2>never existed.

0:48:42.040 --> 0:48:44.240
<v Speaker 1>For him, right because also like if he needs an email,

0:48:44.280 --> 0:48:47.880
<v Speaker 1>he can use his phone exactly. That's interesting, that's awesome.

0:48:48.120 --> 0:48:51.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, just let me think about did you ever

0:48:51.680 --> 0:48:53.640
<v Speaker 2>have like the little phone, like when people kind of

0:48:53.680 --> 0:48:56.960
<v Speaker 2>were regressing on purpose and getting like dumb little Nokia,

0:48:57.280 --> 0:48:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Like that's the thing. It's like I don't have the

0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:04.239
<v Speaker 2>much like the not having the courage to wear a bandon.

0:49:04.080 --> 0:49:06.640
<v Speaker 3>That I'm like, that's the thing.

0:49:06.719 --> 0:49:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like I exist in the state of desire for

0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:11.680
<v Speaker 2>the better thing, but I'm but I would never actually

0:49:11.719 --> 0:49:13.839
<v Speaker 2>take the step to get there. Would you ever get

0:49:13.840 --> 0:49:14.399
<v Speaker 2>a dumb phone?

0:49:14.480 --> 0:49:19.120
<v Speaker 1>No? No way. I also like the convenience of just

0:49:19.200 --> 0:49:20.440
<v Speaker 1>like a map is.

0:49:20.480 --> 0:49:23.440
<v Speaker 3>Yea, no, totally, that's like so much of it.

0:49:23.560 --> 0:49:26.160
<v Speaker 2>But they have that's the thing. There's phones that have

0:49:26.400 --> 0:49:27.399
<v Speaker 2>texting and.

0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Map I'm not buying it. I've never seen one of

0:49:30.440 --> 0:49:34.920
<v Speaker 1>these phes in my damn wife. It's like it's too hard.

0:49:34.960 --> 0:49:38.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I actually think it's bad for you. This

0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:40.319
<v Speaker 1>is my Okay, here's a hot take. I think it's

0:49:40.360 --> 0:49:42.360
<v Speaker 1>bad when people are like, I'm checking out of everything

0:49:42.400 --> 0:49:45.239
<v Speaker 1>and I'm living this life like I'm like like when

0:49:45.239 --> 0:49:47.440
<v Speaker 1>the Lord was like, I don't use social media anymore.

0:49:47.640 --> 0:49:51.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, Okay, well, you're gonna lose touch with what

0:49:51.160 --> 0:49:54.400
<v Speaker 1>society is. I don't think she has. I think she

0:49:54.480 --> 0:49:56.080
<v Speaker 1>did lose touch, and I think she's back and she's

0:49:56.080 --> 0:49:56.640
<v Speaker 1>in touch again.

0:49:56.680 --> 0:49:58.520
<v Speaker 2>You think she lost touch with solar power.

0:49:58.560 --> 0:50:00.840
<v Speaker 1>Well as a solar power stand, yes, I think she

0:50:00.880 --> 0:50:03.160
<v Speaker 1>lost touch, and I think it was an important part

0:50:03.200 --> 0:50:05.000
<v Speaker 1>of her journey. But I think she lost touch.

0:50:05.320 --> 0:50:07.880
<v Speaker 2>I see what you're saying. You're saying her commentary on

0:50:08.719 --> 0:50:11.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, sort of like Pilates and being California Sober

0:50:11.480 --> 0:50:12.680
<v Speaker 2>did not feel of its time.

0:50:13.040 --> 0:50:13.279
<v Speaker 1>No.

0:50:13.480 --> 0:50:16.120
<v Speaker 3>Everybody's line about that record is it will age. Well,

0:50:16.960 --> 0:50:19.920
<v Speaker 3>that's what I hear every gig I say, But it

0:50:19.960 --> 0:50:22.359
<v Speaker 3>will I think it will understand on it. I think

0:50:22.440 --> 0:50:23.200
<v Speaker 3>I kind of agree.

0:50:23.320 --> 0:50:25.400
<v Speaker 2>I agree too, because I think that the issue was

0:50:25.520 --> 0:50:28.160
<v Speaker 2>at the time, no one wanted that kind of social

0:50:28.200 --> 0:50:30.480
<v Speaker 2>commentary because that's not quote unquote where we were at.

0:50:30.960 --> 0:50:33.920
<v Speaker 2>But at some point that just becomes universal, Like it

0:50:34.040 --> 0:50:37.680
<v Speaker 2>just becomes like a general those themes, Like those themes

0:50:37.800 --> 0:50:39.720
<v Speaker 2>exist in and out of culture forever.

0:50:40.200 --> 0:50:40.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like.

0:50:42.160 --> 0:50:44.240
<v Speaker 2>Ray of Light happened to come out at the exact

0:50:44.280 --> 0:50:46.400
<v Speaker 2>right time for that to resonate. But what if Ray

0:50:46.440 --> 0:50:48.279
<v Speaker 2>of Light had come out in twenty two thousand and

0:50:48.480 --> 0:50:51.439
<v Speaker 2>three post nine to eleven. I don't think that would

0:50:51.480 --> 0:50:52.800
<v Speaker 2>have worked well.

0:50:52.840 --> 0:50:56.200
<v Speaker 1>For the record, I've always supported solar power. Yeah, I

0:50:56.320 --> 0:51:01.120
<v Speaker 1>just think I do think she would just disconnect. Yeah, Like,

0:51:01.280 --> 0:51:03.799
<v Speaker 1>and that maybe was great for her individually, but as

0:51:03.840 --> 0:51:10.759
<v Speaker 1>someone trying to comment on society, it's complicated. Yeah. I mean,

0:51:11.920 --> 0:51:17.000
<v Speaker 1>so have you met Lord or I have? Was it? Was?

0:51:17.000 --> 0:51:17.640
<v Speaker 1>She nicer?

0:51:18.080 --> 0:51:19.440
<v Speaker 3>She's great? So nice?

0:51:19.840 --> 0:51:22.360
<v Speaker 1>Did you was it pre your post solar power post?

0:51:22.800 --> 0:51:27.480
<v Speaker 1>What you and did you say? H? Well, you know what.

0:51:27.640 --> 0:51:30.440
<v Speaker 3>I said that to her and she said, thank you

0:51:30.520 --> 0:51:33.320
<v Speaker 3>for saying that to me. You did that.

0:51:33.320 --> 0:51:35.200
<v Speaker 1>That's nice. That's nice.

0:51:35.239 --> 0:51:37.799
<v Speaker 2>I do love that. That's the wait, that's you start.

0:51:37.920 --> 0:51:40.160
<v Speaker 1>You met her at the Jack at Jack Antonov's Hospital.

0:51:40.440 --> 0:51:52.240
<v Speaker 2>Hospital bed she's in tears. She's like, Jack, well, should

0:51:52.239 --> 0:51:53.200
<v Speaker 2>we do our final segment?

0:51:54.760 --> 0:51:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Is it time?

0:51:56.160 --> 0:51:56.799
<v Speaker 2>We don't have to?

0:51:56.960 --> 0:51:58.799
<v Speaker 1>No, we can. Well. I feel like it's that thing

0:51:58.800 --> 0:52:01.239
<v Speaker 1>of like when you say you're having so much fun.

0:52:01.280 --> 0:52:03.719
<v Speaker 2>I know I'm having a lot of fun. I also

0:52:03.760 --> 0:52:05.040
<v Speaker 2>want to like gossip in.

0:52:05.040 --> 0:52:06.360
<v Speaker 1>A way that we can't. We can't.

0:52:06.920 --> 0:52:08.440
<v Speaker 2>I keep wanting to ask you things that I know

0:52:08.480 --> 0:52:08.960
<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't.

0:52:09.080 --> 0:52:19.240
<v Speaker 1>Oh try, No, come on, he told us about Lord. Yeah,

0:52:19.440 --> 0:52:20.320
<v Speaker 1>she's down to spills.

0:52:20.400 --> 0:52:21.400
<v Speaker 3>Hold us Jack sick?

0:52:21.560 --> 0:52:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay, keeping that tight?

0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:28.279
<v Speaker 2>Okay, give us all the music industry gossip. Oh my,

0:52:28.320 --> 0:52:29.840
<v Speaker 2>when's the sky for our album coming?

0:52:30.800 --> 0:52:33.960
<v Speaker 3>I have no idea. I don't, honestly, I don't know

0:52:34.040 --> 0:52:36.880
<v Speaker 3>that much gossip. Yeah about it. I wish that I

0:52:36.920 --> 0:52:37.520
<v Speaker 3>knew more.

0:52:37.920 --> 0:52:38.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know who is.

0:52:38.560 --> 0:52:40.000
<v Speaker 2>The biggest bitch in music?

0:52:42.040 --> 0:52:44.640
<v Speaker 1>And you can't say Katie Perry. No.

0:52:44.800 --> 0:52:48.240
<v Speaker 3>I I love that she's saying, what a wonderful world

0:52:48.280 --> 0:52:49.200
<v Speaker 3>in space.

0:52:49.280 --> 0:52:51.000
<v Speaker 2>And not what a woman's world?

0:52:51.640 --> 0:52:53.360
<v Speaker 3>That's deeply anti social behavior.

0:52:53.719 --> 0:52:57.319
<v Speaker 2>It is crazy. Do you find that the space thing

0:52:57.400 --> 0:53:01.759
<v Speaker 2>is like so so many players of evil that you like,

0:53:01.800 --> 0:53:04.600
<v Speaker 2>can't even wrap your minds. I can't say, I can't

0:53:04.640 --> 0:53:07.600
<v Speaker 2>even say a sentence that like could wrap up my feelings.

0:53:07.760 --> 0:53:11.680
<v Speaker 3>No about it. It's so like gratuitous every way, so gratuitous.

0:53:11.719 --> 0:53:14.440
<v Speaker 1>I like feel bad for the people involved. I feel

0:53:14.560 --> 0:53:16.759
<v Speaker 1>even though they like willingly, I'm just like, this is

0:53:16.840 --> 0:53:17.640
<v Speaker 1>all horrible.

0:53:18.200 --> 0:53:21.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and even the gratuitousness seems almost like the point,

0:53:21.440 --> 0:53:24.480
<v Speaker 2>it's almost like they all know it is and they're

0:53:24.520 --> 0:53:27.279
<v Speaker 2>skipping the part where they pretend it isn't It.

0:53:27.239 --> 0:53:29.200
<v Speaker 3>Would have been better if they were up there for longer.

0:53:29.360 --> 0:53:30.279
<v Speaker 3>I know, it was like a.

0:53:30.320 --> 0:53:35.200
<v Speaker 2>Day, nine months or yeah, several months mission. All you'd

0:53:35.239 --> 0:53:37.280
<v Speaker 2>have to do is like add a little charity element,

0:53:37.400 --> 0:53:40.799
<v Speaker 2>just be like and exactly. And we're bringing a make

0:53:40.840 --> 0:53:44.120
<v Speaker 2>a Wish kid. We're bringing Jack Antono, who's dying. His

0:53:44.239 --> 0:53:47.880
<v Speaker 2>final wish was to go to space with Katie Pear women. Yeah, he'said,

0:53:48.000 --> 0:53:50.120
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, that is so Jack ansenov to be like,

0:53:50.520 --> 0:53:53.360
<v Speaker 2>I love women and women women artists like Katy Perry,

0:53:53.680 --> 0:53:55.319
<v Speaker 2>and I want to go to space with Gail King

0:53:55.360 --> 0:53:57.680
<v Speaker 2>and Katy Perry. This is my final wish. I am

0:53:57.760 --> 0:54:02.839
<v Speaker 2>dying of, you know, synthesizer disease, and it is time

0:54:02.880 --> 0:54:03.560
<v Speaker 2>for me to have my.

0:54:03.520 --> 0:54:06.719
<v Speaker 1>Final wish that would have been so amazing and we

0:54:06.719 --> 0:54:07.600
<v Speaker 1>could have saved him.

0:54:07.480 --> 0:54:09.759
<v Speaker 2>And we could have saved him. Yeah, it could have

0:54:09.760 --> 0:54:12.480
<v Speaker 2>been an interstellar. He comes back and he's twelve years old.

0:54:12.520 --> 0:54:14.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I can't it's so funny.

0:54:15.400 --> 0:54:19.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, we have to tell you about Lozzo's Pass. Lozzo's

0:54:19.719 --> 0:54:22.120
<v Speaker 2>Pass is a concept Sam came up with where when

0:54:22.160 --> 0:54:26.400
<v Speaker 2>an up and coming musical artist is at the pass

0:54:26.440 --> 0:54:29.520
<v Speaker 2>where she has to decide between going Pitchfork and going Target.

0:54:29.680 --> 0:54:33.080
<v Speaker 2>So it's named after Lizzo, who chose Target. She was

0:54:33.120 --> 0:54:35.160
<v Speaker 2>an up and coming art as people forget, she was

0:54:35.400 --> 0:54:40.399
<v Speaker 2>very cool, like super, like a boring during a SLA

0:54:40.440 --> 0:54:43.200
<v Speaker 2>she chose Target. Chaperone is currently at the pass and

0:54:43.200 --> 0:54:46.680
<v Speaker 2>she's delay making a decision, but we support what We're scared,

0:54:46.719 --> 0:54:53.200
<v Speaker 2>but she and I would support either one. Heim chose Pitchfork,

0:54:54.760 --> 0:55:00.600
<v Speaker 2>Twigs chose Pitchfork, Lord chose Lord chose Pitchfork. Who's someone

0:55:00.600 --> 0:55:01.400
<v Speaker 2>who chose target?

0:55:04.520 --> 0:55:07.400
<v Speaker 3>Hmmm, Tate McCrae.

0:55:08.440 --> 0:55:10.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it's like wish she ever she was never

0:55:10.239 --> 0:55:14.480
<v Speaker 2>at the Yes, she's never at the past anyway. The

0:55:14.480 --> 0:55:16.239
<v Speaker 2>point is if I mean.

0:55:16.239 --> 0:55:17.600
<v Speaker 1>She's never even been to the past.

0:55:18.000 --> 0:55:22.439
<v Speaker 2>Oh, Tate McCray, do you feel like do you feel

0:55:22.440 --> 0:55:24.239
<v Speaker 2>like you're at the past? Do you feel like you've

0:55:24.239 --> 0:55:25.799
<v Speaker 2>been at the past or do you think it's coming.

0:55:26.280 --> 0:55:27.840
<v Speaker 3>Are you scared of the past? I've been at the

0:55:27.880 --> 0:55:30.759
<v Speaker 3>past about No, I've not been at the past. I've

0:55:30.840 --> 0:55:36.480
<v Speaker 3>just like I feel I don't know this. This sounds

0:55:36.560 --> 0:55:40.560
<v Speaker 3>kind of like trite because there's lots of things going

0:55:40.560 --> 0:55:42.160
<v Speaker 3>on in the world horrible.

0:55:42.640 --> 0:55:43.640
<v Speaker 1>I can't think of anything.

0:55:44.000 --> 0:55:46.000
<v Speaker 3>I still think there's a lot of homophobia and music

0:55:46.280 --> 0:55:48.520
<v Speaker 3>in a way where like gay guys don't want to

0:55:48.520 --> 0:55:52.400
<v Speaker 3>see other gay guys succeed, and there's a lot of

0:55:52.440 --> 0:55:57.160
<v Speaker 3>gatekeeping in this funny kind of way where like I've

0:55:57.200 --> 0:56:00.160
<v Speaker 3>been doing this for a long time, and uh, I'm

0:56:00.160 --> 0:56:03.080
<v Speaker 3>gonna keep doing it because it's like lifeblood. But I

0:56:03.120 --> 0:56:06.680
<v Speaker 3>feel like I don't know, like it's yeah, I get

0:56:06.760 --> 0:56:08.160
<v Speaker 3>like I talk about this with like a lot of

0:56:08.160 --> 0:56:10.839
<v Speaker 3>my like gay guy musician friends where we're all kind

0:56:10.840 --> 0:56:14.200
<v Speaker 3>of in this like funny situation where we're like doing

0:56:14.440 --> 0:56:17.920
<v Speaker 3>like these like songwritery things or whatever. But then you

0:56:18.000 --> 0:56:20.680
<v Speaker 3>still just have like Alex g and like m J.

0:56:20.840 --> 0:56:26.200
<v Speaker 3>Linderman and they just like dominate the like genius boy thing. Yeah,

0:56:26.800 --> 0:56:29.759
<v Speaker 3>and like that's cool, like they're great, They're really good,

0:56:29.840 --> 0:56:32.560
<v Speaker 3>but uh yeah, we wanna we want to throw it

0:56:32.640 --> 0:56:35.600
<v Speaker 3>back for some gay guy one day.

0:56:35.760 --> 0:56:38.279
<v Speaker 2>So it's like I never considered that gay guys have

0:56:38.320 --> 0:56:39.560
<v Speaker 2>to choose pitch Forks exactly.

0:56:39.920 --> 0:56:41.880
<v Speaker 1>This is forced upon them.

0:56:42.239 --> 0:56:44.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I mean, who was the last gay guy

0:56:44.440 --> 0:56:47.280
<v Speaker 2>to choose Target? Elton John Adam Lambert, Adam Lamb.

0:56:47.120 --> 0:56:50.359
<v Speaker 1>Adam Lambert Adam chose Target, And even then Target kind

0:56:50.360 --> 0:56:52.000
<v Speaker 1>of was like you can go in the clear and style.

0:56:52.280 --> 0:56:55.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, they're not putting him right in the

0:56:55.560 --> 0:56:58.000
<v Speaker 2>front with the Oprah's book Club selection.

0:56:58.160 --> 0:57:00.520
<v Speaker 1>No, the Taylor swop CD is on tail choice.

0:57:00.520 --> 0:57:03.360
<v Speaker 2>Evon is kind of Oh that's interesting.

0:57:03.400 --> 0:57:06.920
<v Speaker 1>He's getting close. But I think in our bubble still,

0:57:06.960 --> 0:57:09.399
<v Speaker 1>like I feel like in our bubble he's a big

0:57:09.440 --> 0:57:11.400
<v Speaker 1>pop star. But in like like does my mom know

0:57:11.480 --> 0:57:12.440
<v Speaker 1>who choy Sevon is?

0:57:13.280 --> 0:57:17.440
<v Speaker 2>Sam Smith, Sam Smith, Sam shows Target chose Target?

0:57:17.480 --> 0:57:18.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Sam said.

0:57:18.080 --> 0:57:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Chose So that's just that perfume genius chose pitch Fork.

0:57:22.280 --> 0:57:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but in an.

0:57:23.080 --> 0:57:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Empowered way, yes, absolutely. But I I think it's interesting.

0:57:28.760 --> 0:57:30.720
<v Speaker 2>The gatekeeping of it always interesting. What you're saying. It's

0:57:30.760 --> 0:57:33.439
<v Speaker 2>like there you're you can be as a gig guy

0:57:33.480 --> 0:57:35.800
<v Speaker 2>at the pass and you can see pitchwork on one end,

0:57:35.800 --> 0:57:37.439
<v Speaker 2>you can see Target on the other end. But there

0:57:37.600 --> 0:57:41.520
<v Speaker 2>is this like music exec guy that is in front

0:57:41.520 --> 0:57:43.600
<v Speaker 2>of the Target, and it's like do you have your

0:57:43.920 --> 0:57:46.440
<v Speaker 2>do you have your idea? And then sort of like

0:57:46.440 --> 0:57:48.520
<v Speaker 2>you're in a dream where you can't find your idea anywhere.

0:57:48.560 --> 0:57:50.120
<v Speaker 2>It's like not in any of your pockets. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I would hate to be at Lizzo's Pass and

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<v Speaker 1>not have my idea.

0:57:53.480 --> 0:57:56.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Lizzo's Pass is so funny.

0:57:57.800 --> 0:58:02.720
<v Speaker 2>We yesterday we our guest yesterday and Durian and Saint

0:58:02.760 --> 0:58:05.800
<v Speaker 2>Felix was saying that potentially there's a world in which

0:58:05.800 --> 0:58:08.840
<v Speaker 2>you could visit Target but then be like, all right,

0:58:08.960 --> 0:58:13.040
<v Speaker 2>I have like like Kim, yes, that's a great example.

0:58:13.040 --> 0:58:14.640
<v Speaker 2>And then I go back and be like and now,

0:58:14.760 --> 0:58:17.400
<v Speaker 2>all right, that was fun. I visited Target time to

0:58:17.440 --> 0:58:18.080
<v Speaker 2>go pitch for her.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm excited. I'm very excited for what she does next.

0:58:20.440 --> 0:58:20.880
<v Speaker 1>I agree.

0:58:20.960 --> 0:58:22.440
<v Speaker 3>I have friends that have been working with her.

0:58:24.920 --> 0:58:25.959
<v Speaker 2>She always keeps us.

0:58:25.840 --> 0:58:28.360
<v Speaker 1>On her chose and I think people really want to

0:58:28.400 --> 0:58:29.000
<v Speaker 1>discount her.

0:58:29.480 --> 0:58:31.919
<v Speaker 2>They really do. People are actually so cruel to her. Yeah,

0:58:31.960 --> 0:58:40.560
<v Speaker 2>for no reason. Well, but I'm on her side is

0:58:40.560 --> 0:58:42.200
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying. I will follow her.

0:58:43.080 --> 0:58:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I will follow her as well.

0:58:44.640 --> 0:58:50.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah what if York chose target, then it'd be really good.

0:58:50.840 --> 0:58:51.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:58:52.160 --> 0:58:55.400
<v Speaker 2>Almost when she wrote the Madonna song, that was like

0:58:55.560 --> 0:58:58.160
<v Speaker 2>the most target she could possibly get, but it was

0:58:58.200 --> 0:59:02.200
<v Speaker 2>like yeah, that time stories, but that was still I know.

0:59:02.280 --> 0:59:05.760
<v Speaker 3>I think the most target she went was doing you

0:59:05.800 --> 0:59:13.720
<v Speaker 3>know no, no, no, no, the you boy It's so

0:59:13.840 --> 0:59:17.480
<v Speaker 3>quiet yeah yeah yeah, but that was like it was

0:59:17.520 --> 0:59:21.440
<v Speaker 3>like that was pretty Yeah, that was so like Christmas time.

0:59:21.440 --> 0:59:23.160
<v Speaker 2>But I think that was like a commentary on a

0:59:23.200 --> 0:59:23.720
<v Speaker 2>show tune.

0:59:23.760 --> 0:59:27.200
<v Speaker 3>It was like, well it's her being like freaky dey yes,

0:59:27.360 --> 0:59:31.040
<v Speaker 3>like yes, but still it's like I remember when that

0:59:31.160 --> 0:59:33.800
<v Speaker 3>was like the ad for like Sex and the City. Yeah,

0:59:35.040 --> 0:59:38.040
<v Speaker 3>and like Sara Disca Parker's like with the big like

0:59:38.080 --> 0:59:39.760
<v Speaker 3>the red balloons and stuff.

0:59:40.480 --> 0:59:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of I think you know who really was at

0:59:44.000 --> 0:59:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Pitchwork and Chows target is Jesse Ware Oh yeah, because

0:59:48.480 --> 0:59:51.400
<v Speaker 1>that that one album that I'm pigting the name of

0:59:51.440 --> 0:59:54.120
<v Speaker 1>the Distance one. Yeah, that was so Pitchwork was like

0:59:54.120 --> 0:59:56.560
<v Speaker 1>this is so fun. And then the follow up.

0:59:56.440 --> 0:59:58.400
<v Speaker 3>But then she was like I have a tortoise out yea.

0:59:58.360 --> 1:00:00.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and a podcast was then like Pearls was like

1:00:00.840 --> 1:00:03.400
<v Speaker 1>this and just like that song and it was like.

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<v Speaker 3>That was that was sad.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a bummer.

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<v Speaker 3>And now she's just like she has like a mommy podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes it's literally like what it's like, like what it's

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<v Speaker 3>like being a mommy.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's her and her mom and the premise is

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<v Speaker 2>that they're eating dinner and with a guest. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>get to hear all the like, yeah, there was.

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<v Speaker 1>No, Well that's kind of funny.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh god.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw her Coachella twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 3>How was it?

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<v Speaker 2>She was great. She's I was front row because no

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<v Speaker 2>one else knew about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now she is great. I went to one of the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty two shows whatever and she.

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<v Speaker 2>Was great and she was being so British. It was

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<v Speaker 2>just like, I mean, it was obviously at two pm

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<v Speaker 2>because she was not like one of the headliners at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, and it was just like her. And there

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<v Speaker 2>was a stool that had a mug of tea on it,

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<v Speaker 2>like you could see the tea bag. That's cool, and

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<v Speaker 2>she was just like take a sip of tea and

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<v Speaker 2>then do you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know we'll talk about having a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's another Yeah, she love to have like a ooh

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<v Speaker 2>musicians up to have it like in your rider, yeah, or.

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<v Speaker 1>Like even like the guy from the National always has

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<v Speaker 1>a glass of red wine on stage or like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like there's like all.

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<v Speaker 3>That thing that is some straight shit that I cannot

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<v Speaker 3>deal with.

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<v Speaker 1>The like yeah, keep going, keep going.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I'm just like I don't I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>why you saying the National.

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<v Speaker 4>It was just like triggering, Like I mean there were

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<v Speaker 4>natal triggering uh in regards even if you are a

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<v Speaker 4>fan of the National, which I think they have some

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<v Speaker 4>great songs, they hear about the Nationalist triggering.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it implies a culture.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's just like I think it's because I

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<v Speaker 3>see like how men age in music, like where how

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<v Speaker 3>all of them kind of just go to like blazer town,

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<v Speaker 3>Like they all kind of just like suddenly it's just

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<v Speaker 3>like I have to own a blazer and I have

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<v Speaker 3>to wear it on stage, and I have to like

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<v Speaker 3>not shave as much. Although I mean like sometimes that's cool,

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<v Speaker 3>like in a surge Gainsborgie kind of way where you're

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<v Speaker 3>like uncamped and it's a part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But like.

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<v Speaker 3>But he's kind of like an honor I mean well,

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<v Speaker 3>he's French, so it doesn't it's changes, it's completely different.

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<v Speaker 3>But I do want this is actually.

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<v Speaker 2>A great idea for just like a long magazine feature

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<v Speaker 2>that's just like checking in on all the men of

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty twelve Pitchfork era, like.

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<v Speaker 3>Like like yeah, and like yeah dirty projector.

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<v Speaker 2>Dirty Projectors, even like Bonie Vere, like just like where

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<v Speaker 2>are they? What did they look like then? And what

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<v Speaker 2>do they look like now? Because that is sort of

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<v Speaker 2>there's a Pitchfork versus Target of Fashion.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it's.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Blazer Town or there's or hype Blazer or hype Beast.

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<v Speaker 2>I think are the two options. Don't you think.

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<v Speaker 3>Who's hype Beast? That's I do think.

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<v Speaker 2>Boni ver I was I recently video of him where

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<v Speaker 2>he's wearing like a bright orange hoodie.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like in a Wisconsin way Okay, okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's also really really rich and that's like that's

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<v Speaker 3>like rich Man drag where you're like, uh, hoodie, sweatpant

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<v Speaker 3>like leisure. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>For some reason, I'm standing boniv right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I know everyone is defending I haven't listened to the news.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone says it's great, it's age really well age really really.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, when what year is gonna what year will

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<v Speaker 3>need solar power? Really bad?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good that's a good question.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this summer is solar power. It's solar power summer.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm cold, it's not it's not.

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<v Speaker 3>But like it'll make a comeback like fruit fruit Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>like murder on the dance Floor. Oh yeah, where it's

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<v Speaker 3>in a movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly, by the way, I think you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>should make a comeback. Allah, Murder on the dance floor

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<v Speaker 2>is feels so good by sunik?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that not bad?

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that it did it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not on TikTok.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's not even TikTok. Just like it's like you

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<v Speaker 3>hear hear it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, as long as you're hearing it, my work

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<v Speaker 2>is done.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, Okay, now I think we can do fine, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's okay. So I find it's like it's called shout outs,

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<v Speaker 1>and in this segment we pay homage to the grand

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<v Speaker 1>straight tradition of the radio shout out, shouting out to

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<v Speaker 1>anything that we enjoy. People place these things ideas.

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<v Speaker 2>When we think of them on the spot. Why we're

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<v Speaker 2>both contemplating, which is why we are.

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<v Speaker 1>Both contemplate, Oh God, what will it be? I And

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm struggling with is like I wish I had

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<v Speaker 1>a good one.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, Oh right, totally. Yeah, That's definitely what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>struggling with as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Because you know, sometimes I'm okay with being like whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just thinking, no, no, no, I want, I want,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to, I want, I want the bank substance.

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<v Speaker 1>I know I want substance too, and and yet I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have it.

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<v Speaker 2>What's up, freaks of losers? I want to give a

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<v Speaker 2>shout out to substance. That's right, saying something and having

1:04:58.760 --> 1:05:01.280
<v Speaker 2>it have gravity, have it have meaning, and having it

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<v Speaker 2>have lasting power, much like Lord's solar power. Saying something

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<v Speaker 2>that will age well because it's not directly commenting on

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<v Speaker 2>the culture of the time. It's not a response to something,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not reactive. It is something that is a

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<v Speaker 2>fully formed idea that is going that is ahead of

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<v Speaker 2>its time, and that is going to at some point

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<v Speaker 2>create a paradigm shift that will then lead to more substance.

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<v Speaker 2>And in that sense, it's also generative. So shout out

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<v Speaker 2>to if you open your mouth, try to say something

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<v Speaker 2>with substance rather than substance.

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<v Speaker 1>Who wow, Wow, that's awesome. Yeah, okay, I got one. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what's ups and perfects around the globe. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>give a huge shout out to my physical therapist. I

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<v Speaker 1>have been doing physcal therapy for my back and this

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<v Speaker 1>woman knows my body more than anyone on earth. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>learning stretches that you wouldn't even believe, and guess what,

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<v Speaker 1>they are effective, and I'm saying, why.

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<v Speaker 2>Aren't we taught this goals?

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<v Speaker 1>We need to learn how to stretch properly. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>know I've been when you bend down to reach your toes.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been doing it wrong my whole life and You're like,

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<v Speaker 1>how can you bend down wrong? It's possible. I was

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<v Speaker 1>bending from my back and not from my pelvis, and

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<v Speaker 1>guess what, I've never been able to touch my toes

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<v Speaker 1>and that's why. Isn't that crazy? Anyway? I think when

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<v Speaker 1>we are more in touch with our bodies, we will

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<v Speaker 1>finally be free and living in Lord's solar power universe.

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<v Speaker 1>So shout to my physical therapist. I love you, xoxo.

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<v Speaker 3>Say who high freaks. I want to shout out the

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<v Speaker 3>auto play feature on television streaming because I need. I

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<v Speaker 3>need to just leave the TV on for my dog

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<v Speaker 3>when I leave so that he doesn't have a panic attack.

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<v Speaker 3>And then wait, and then one other thing. This is

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<v Speaker 3>truly in a moment, as you can tell, or it's dull.

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<v Speaker 3>But speaking of physical therapy, I want to shout out

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<v Speaker 3>to the guy in my yoga class that left in

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<v Speaker 3>the middle and said this is too hard to the

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<v Speaker 3>class because bravery. Yeah, that's that's like freak behavior. That's

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<v Speaker 3>really cool. Shout out yeah, with the gear straight straight see,

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<v Speaker 3>I love.

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<v Speaker 2>That being able to defeat.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it hot yoga?

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<v Speaker 3>Hot yoga?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes they turn it way. Sometimes there's a panic there,

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<v Speaker 3>there's panic. I don't know if it's actually healthy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I questioned it as well, but I've definitely wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to run out before. What did the teacher came out?

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<v Speaker 1>I feel they always say like and whatever you do,

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<v Speaker 1>don't let don't leave the room if you're you know,

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<v Speaker 1>lie down. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>No, she didn't comment on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I know, hello police.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and she and she was pregnant.

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<v Speaker 2>The teacher was pregnant.

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<v Speaker 3>The teacher was pregnant. Baby gonna baby gonna be hot?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that safe for not to police pregnant women's bodies,

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<v Speaker 2>but get out of there.

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<v Speaker 3>No yoga yoga worms is like a different thing entirely. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>shout out yoga worms.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yoga worm.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys did that.

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<v Speaker 1>You did that? You ate you ate well, thanks so

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<v Speaker 1>much for doing this, Thanks, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>For having me, and once again, please tell people, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>listen to my record and his splash band and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>I'm I'm cooking right now, so stay tuned. Ok just cooking.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So you're at Jackas Hospital, bub Bye bye bye.

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