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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Zaren Elizabeth Zaren.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey listen. How are you

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Speaker 3: doing today?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing pretty well. Don't I look great?

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Speaker 3: Look amazing?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I got my my Mark Twain wig on,

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Speaker 2: my fake mustache. I feel good. The white creak. This

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Speaker 2: is actually just a hoodie.

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Speaker 3: A one giant onesie.

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Speaker 2: That amazing. I alreadered this online.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 2: So Mark Twain hoodie. You know it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I do out Mark Twain hoodie.

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Speaker 2: I do, Elizabeth, I do. I was gonna tell you,

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Speaker 2: but you tell me. I know one a friend of

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Speaker 2: mine when I was a younger man was a bass player.

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Speaker 2: It's probably still is. And he was in a band

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Speaker 2: with an actor named Letto, mister Letto, Jared Letto, right,

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Speaker 2: and then he was like, oh, I think thirty seconds

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Speaker 2: to march right, And so I was like, oh, that's

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Speaker 2: that sucks for you, man. I'm sorry to hear that.

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Speaker 2: How was I was a jerk? I say, anyway, but

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Speaker 2: now I laugh because he left the band. He did

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Speaker 2: other stuff, and I'm happy for him and everything else,

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Speaker 2: but Jared leto is, Now, I didn't know this he's

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Speaker 2: got like a cult.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, he's like a cult leader.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He hosts Mars Islands. They're called Mars Island, and so

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Speaker 2: he has this fan events and he has these fans

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Speaker 2: come out to these islands, private islands, because you got

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Speaker 2: to do this kind of stuff on a private islands.

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Speaker 2: You know, you can't do this anywhere. They have like

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Speaker 2: legal structures, and it's gotta be somewhere. It's like, i'd

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Speaker 2: like to see you are allowed to hook people. So

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Speaker 2: the fans, though, they pay for these immersive experiences, right,

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Speaker 2: and they go and they hang out with Jared Leto

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Speaker 2: and uh yeah, the whole band apparently is there, and

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Speaker 2: they've really leaned into it and said like, oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: we're totally a cult, Like yeah, cute we and uh yeah,

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Speaker 2: so isn't that fun? Jared's the cult and everyone's like

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Speaker 2: teasing about it. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous, and they all

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Speaker 2: wear white and everything.

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Speaker 3: Can send us there and then we can like do

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Speaker 3: a show, record a show.

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Speaker 2: I would love to And he's be like, this is

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Speaker 2: a ridiculous crime waiting to happen. He hasn't got a

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Speaker 2: show yet from the crime perfect. There you go.

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Speaker 3: Okay, right up a proposal. In the meantime, I'm going

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Speaker 3: to tell you what else is ridiculous? Please stealing because

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Speaker 3: it makes your privates tingle. This is a ridiculous crime.

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Speaker 3: A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers heists cons it's

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Speaker 3: always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Period period.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you just told us about some naked people in France.

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Speaker 2: I did. Freak Daddy's totally my friends in France.

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Speaker 3: I've got a mildly freak daddy French guy. It's like,

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Speaker 3: what freaky France sweek?

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Speaker 2: Why do we keep doing this vulcan mind meld?

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Speaker 3: You know what?

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Speaker 2: Because we do not tell each other anything. What we're

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Speaker 2: going to do is we like to surprise each other.

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Speaker 3: And then you're telling me the story. I'm like, oh, brother, listens,

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Speaker 3: wow freak France. Yeah, okay, So you know that art

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Speaker 3: heist are my comfort zone.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I do know that. I know that if I

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Speaker 2: could give you one as a gift, I.

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Speaker 3: Will thank you because you know, sometimes, like most of

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Speaker 3: the time, no one gets hurt. Usually the thief is

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Speaker 3: usually ripping off some wealthy fat cat like money launderers. Anyways,

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 2: There's some level of exploitation that got the art inter right.

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Speaker 3: So what do I care if you can con or

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Speaker 3: rob a billionaire? I say, do it, and do it now.

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Speaker 3: Just don't tell me over again. They deserve it, even

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Speaker 3: Mark Cuban deserves it. Sometimes. I don't think people have

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Speaker 3: a grasp of how much a billion dollars is a lot. Like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: if you're trying to save a billion dollars and you're

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Speaker 3: able to say your money at like a rate of

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Speaker 2: Day, okay, one hundred dollars a day, yeah.

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Speaker 3: One billion divided by one hundred, So the dollars saved

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Speaker 3: per day is ten million days. Okay, ten million days

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Speaker 3: divided by three hundred and sixty five. That's the days

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Speaker 3: per year. Equals twenty seven thousand, three hundred ninety seven

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Speaker 3: point two six years to reach one billion dollars of years,

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Speaker 3: twenty seven thousand years years to reach a billion. And

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Speaker 3: like you, obviously you would never.

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Speaker 2: I'd probably get that in your life, Roberty.

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Speaker 3: Day, but neither would your children, grandchildren or great grandchildren.

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Speaker 2: You might sneak in a couple of Egyptian dynasties.

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Speaker 3: So you could if you and one descendant per generation

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Speaker 3: saved one hundred dollars every day, and each of you

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Speaker 3: lived for ninety years, it would take you and three

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Speaker 3: hundred and four generations of your descendants to save up

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Speaker 3: one billion dollars a lot. A million seconds is eleven days,

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Speaker 3: one billion seconds is thirty one and a half years.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm buried in numbers. Oh my, got it. Everywhere?

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Speaker 3: A billion is one thousand million. So if I if

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Speaker 3: I spend one hundred thousand dollars a day, it would

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Speaker 3: only take me ten days to waste a million dollars.

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Speaker 3: If I spent one hundred thousand dollars a day, it

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Speaker 3: would take me twenty seven years to waste one billion dollars.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot of time, right, It's more than any

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Speaker 3: human being and their family could spend for one billion.

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Speaker 3: Now think about those with multiple billions. I got to

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Speaker 3: be dropping hundreds of billions.

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Speaker 2: They're dropping millions a day just to even it shouldn't.

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Speaker 2: And then also, my money's making more money before I

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Speaker 2: can even spend it all exactly how I'm now in

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Speaker 2: Mackenzie Scott.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she can't get rid of it fast enough. We

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Speaker 3: should feel free to steal whatever we want from them

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Speaker 3: because it makes no difference. So say I, anyway, art

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Speaker 3: you're here, So I've told you so many art theft

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Speaker 3: all exactly when I when I saw this story, I

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Speaker 3: thought maybe I'd already shared it with you.

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Speaker 2: Get that excited it?

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Speaker 3: Well, it has all I was like, I feel like

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Speaker 3: I might have already. It has all the elements, right.

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Speaker 3: So it's a little bit different, and it lines up

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Speaker 3: more with one of our other criminals, the book thief

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Speaker 3: guy John Charles Gilkey. So he was different for a

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Speaker 3: lot of reasons. Modesto California storage facilities notwithstanding, sure, the

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Speaker 3: main thing is that he never sold what he stole,

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Speaker 3: like he cherished the books collected, built this library. He

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Speaker 3: was an appreciator. And that's the kind of art thief

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Speaker 3: I have for you today.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate him.

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Speaker 3: This guy never sold what he stole. He was gentle

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Speaker 3: with the art. He loved it. He wanted to surround

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Speaker 3: himself with beautiful things. Dateline, I'll says France, eighteen seventy one.

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Speaker 2: Nice. So that was when a boy child was born.

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Speaker 3: Stiff on GM funds leak it should be bright Weissa,

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Speaker 3: but Brightweiser. I'll just I'll dumb it down, sure, stiff

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Speaker 3: On Breitweiser. So his dad was high up in management

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Speaker 3: three docs in Zaren threebeth living well. Yeah, they lived

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Speaker 3: in this beautiful home, gorgeous home, antiques art that was

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Speaker 3: was this really famous Alsatian expressionist painter and his works

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Speaker 3: adorned the walls. Little kid Stefan, he he spoke French, German, English,

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Speaker 3: So while he's nerdy, he's also terrible in school. It's

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Speaker 3: be a new young man, refreshed. This feels like a

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Speaker 3: they drop him off, he's meandering around the museum. He

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Speaker 2: But it's very small.

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Speaker 3: So he starts shoplifting, not so much out of necessity

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Speaker 2: It's just like an angry team.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, completely Yeah, And he gets busted and he learns

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Speaker 2: Good lesson to learn. So he drifts around.

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Speaker 3: Then he got a job at a museum and while

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Speaker 3: he was there, he stole a fifteen hundred year old

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see this coming, and he like.

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Speaker 3: He made sure to like rearrange the case so that

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Speaker 2: And then he quit.

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Speaker 3: He's like, what I thought he.

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Speaker 2: Would take a lot more that little odds and ends.

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Speaker 3: That was his first real art.

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Speaker 2: Theft Okay, that now qualifies. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So there's around this time that he met this woman

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Speaker 3: and Catherine and Katherine Kleinkouse. Okay, and quote, I loved

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Speaker 3: her right away, he said. So he's just that she's it.

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Speaker 3: They're this passionate couple. They're like a little bit reckless,

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Speaker 3: and so he sees her as his muse and he

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Speaker 3: their own fail or drop out of their college programs.

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Speaker 3: They had bounced from job to job. So then one

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Speaker 3: There's a museum there, and Steffan he saw something that

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Speaker 3: made his heart race, a flint stock pistol from the

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Speaker 3: seventeen hundreds. And it wasn't like the pistol part that

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Speaker 3: the grip, the silver inlay. Yeah, He's like, I have

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Speaker 2: Off they go nice. They're exhilarated, like.

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Speaker 3: They couldn't believe what they just pulled off. They waited

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Speaker 3: they liberate French art and artifacts from unwinning museums and

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Speaker 2: It's my nickname in Nebraska theft. Mine's anyway art theft.

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Speaker 3: Three years on now, Stiffon and Catherine Bonnie Ekild they

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Speaker 2: Big, it's not big, right, No, it's like.

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Speaker 3: They're living in the attic in the mom's place.

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Speaker 3: Walls, low lit, crammed with art. The mom never goes

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Speaker 2: Don't want to go up to their love.

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Speaker 3: Steffan is said to suffer from Stendhall syndrome. Have you

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Speaker 3: Stendhal syndrome also known as Florence syndrome psychosomatic condition. Those

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Speaker 2: You can literally fall out.

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Speaker 3: And it's named after the nineteenth century French author Stendall,

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Speaker 2: This is what he said.

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Speaker 3: Everything spoke so vividly to my soul. Ah if I

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Speaker 2: So I have a problem with stem dolls. I think

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm with you.

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Speaker 3: You know. Apparently to this day, Santa Maria Nouova Hospital

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Speaker 2: Florence amazing, so incredible.

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Speaker 3: I wonder were you following me?

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Speaker 3: Did you see it there? Wow? Yeah, I saw too.

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Speaker 3: So that's what Steffan says he has, right, but his

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Speaker 3: Well, it's like we talk about serial killers who get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, did we actually do that we talked about I

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Speaker 2: don't remember to those I'm familiar. So he basically has

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Speaker 2: the same effect. But that's a psychosomatic connection. Right. Did

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Speaker 2: his mother like like do something where art became like

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Speaker 3: No he that's what he says. I have this, but

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Speaker 5: But like downstairs, so I'll tell you that.

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Speaker 2: Sorry.

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Speaker 3: By now, the couple had like perfected their methods. They

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Speaker 2: He just love to show him art, like baby, what

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Speaker 3: He's like, no, I want to see a shallice. So

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Speaker 2: They thrifted luxury brands.

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Speaker 3: They were super charming. They'd scot places out and they'd

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Speaker 3: Got to uh, he used that for everything. He'd use

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: They hit the Rubens house in Antwerp, Belgium. Oh yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: Not a modest man, no, And.

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Speaker 3: So Stefan he's like he he has to find something

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Speaker 2: Rubens might kill him.

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Speaker 3: I mean, your head might explode. But so he there

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Speaker 3: he sees an ivory carving of Adam and Eve.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's more his speed from.

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Speaker 3: Sixteen twenty seven that a friend of Rubens had done.

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Speaker 3: So there's this carving under a plexiglass dome. He pulls

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Speaker 2: Old screws haven't moved in a long time.

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00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 3: Twenty minutes to get that's a long time. But he

439
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 3: managed to get the dome off, get the carving, shoved

440
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 3: it into his waistband kind of like a gun like

441
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 3: in the back. So he and Anne Catherine they like

442
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 3: breezily leave. They hop in the car head back to France.

443
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 3: And it was a normal heightst that they pulled over

444
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 3: and over and over again. That was just like one

445
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 3: of many art fair and Zurich they stole a filigree

446
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 3: and like gold sixteenth century goblet and an art fair

447
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 3: in Holland a sixteen oh two landscape of a pond

448
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,479
Speaker 3: with swans and a seventeenth century seascape painted on copper

449
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 3: nice at an auction presale in Paris. They got a

450
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 3: painting from the school of Peter Brugel the Elder and

451
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 3: Peter Brugle the younger.

452
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 2: Both elder and the elder like hit him up, Hello, junior, Senior.

453
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 3: They went in Belgium again, a tableau of a rural

454
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 3: market and a painting of housecats and hedgehogs.

455
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 2: Who got the hedgehogs and the housecats? Buddy, do you

456
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 2: got a fan?

457
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 3: In Lele they got a Renaissance oil painting. Yeah, at

458
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 3: this point, never been. At this point, we're almost at

459
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 3: three hundred pieces.

460
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 2: Oh man, and.

461
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 3: So again the attic. The most valuable work of art

462
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 3: that he'd stolen at this point was Sabille Princess of

463
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 3: Cleaves by Lucas Kronik the Elder. He grabbed that from

464
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 3: a castle in Bond and Bondon in nineteen ninety five.

465
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 3: The Guardian newspaper estimated in two thousand and three that

466
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 3: its value at auction would be more than five million pounds.

467
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 3: That's like ten and a half million dollars today. Damn,

468
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 3: so's he's stealing expensive stuff too. They hit up an

469
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 3: art fair in the Netherlands in Mastrik. They walk up

470
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 3: to this booth and it's run by this flashy London

471
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 3: art dealer named Richard Green, and they'd spoken with him

472
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 3: before and they found him super dismissive and another.

473
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: Fairly he was just rude.

474
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, Stefan later told journalist Michael Finkel, quote Richard Green

475
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 3: and his Monte Cristo cigars and his Rolex too, like

476
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 3: that's some tupac.

477
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 2: Like yes, totally. A lot more hit him.

478
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 3: So it was at this booth though, that Stefan and

479
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 3: and Catherine they saw something that lit them up. It

480
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 3: was a still life by Jan van Kessel the Elder

481
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 3: from sixteen fifty two.

482
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 2: They had to excuse himself a new moment.

483
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 3: He was like, he had to hold his backpack in

484
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 3: front of him. It was. It's this richly toned still

485
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:48,479
Speaker 3: life of tulips, lily's snowdrops, dahlia's irises, cabbage all manner

486
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 3: of showy almost blousy flowers at peak blossom.

487
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: It is hitting you too, in.

488
00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 3: A glass hobnail vase and like their pollen and over

489
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 3: ripe sugars attracting delicate butterflies.

490
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: And there's a.

491
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 3: Tiny ladybug crawling up a wilted and torn leaf. Hint

492
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 3: a hint of spent petals.

493
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 2: We're going to get scattered almost out of view on

494
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: the tabletop. There's a lizard mid stride.

495
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 3: And the shade of the arrangement have dragonfly hovering off

496
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,719
Speaker 3: to the right. It's all elegantly painted onto a thin

497
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 3: sheet of copper. So there you go. It's a fantastic, lush,

498
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 3: sensual piece and st He got that racing heart, that dizziness,

499
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 3: that buzzing inside, and that nufty Richard Green had it.

500
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 3: So this fair wasn't really the spot for theft though, right,

501
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 3: tons of people tons off. You had to show paperwork

502
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 3: when you left with a purchase, like they would scan

503
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 3: it to sure it wasn't something you could just roll

504
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 3: up and shoving your pants or your backpack copper too.

505
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 3: It's not like you can get roll it. Yeah, but

506
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 3: he was still captivated, sure zaren I want you to

507
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 3: picture this. You are a still life painting by Yon

508
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 3: van Kessel the Elder. Your technical title is a still

509
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 3: life of tulips, a crown, imperial snow drops, lilies, irises,

510
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 3: roses and other flowers in a glass of oase with

511
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 3: a lizard, butterfly and dragonflies and other insects. Not the

512
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 3: catchiest title, but you're magnificent. Almost three hundred and fifty

513
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: years ago. You started as a sheet of copper. Then

514
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 3: you were placed in front of a genius, such an

515
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 3: honor he drew on you, and from you a lush

516
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 3: portrait of a bouquet just past its peak, not yet spent,

517
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 3: but not full of life, just cresting the hill, and

518
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: now looking out on a downward slope. For nearly three

519
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,479
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty years, people have stood before you, taking

520
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: you in, sometimes in awe, almost always with appreciation, although

521
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 3: occasional boredom. You've hung on walls and the elegant homes

522
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 3: of Belgian merchants. You've done some time in the gallery.

523
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 3: You were, for a short moment on the wall of

524
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,479
Speaker 3: a study, and now you're on a pedestal and a

525
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 3: Dutch art fair. People stroll by, chatting, laughing. Some look

526
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 3: upon the art with eyes searching for a deal. Some

527
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 3: are there just to see and bc to mingle a network.

528
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 3: And then there's the predator before you, a young man

529
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 3: with brown hair and a broadcloth shirt and wirerimed glasses.

530
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,479
Speaker 3: Stares at you with nothing short of lust. His eyes

531
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 3: burrow into your oils. You feel uncomfortable.

532
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 2: This isn't natural.

533
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 3: He eyes you like a creep would eye a beautiful

534
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 3: woman from across a crowded bar. It's unsettling. Suddenly there's

535
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 3: a commotion. Thief. Someone yells, oh, dear, so many of

536
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 3: your compatriots have been spirited away over the years by

537
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 3: the greedy, the desperate, the Nazis. Stop thief. The man

538
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 3: staring a hole into.

539
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 2: You turns white.

540
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 3: His eyes grow large. There's a thud and a and

541
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 3: he turns to his left. Down the aisle of booths,

542
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 3: a group of security guards tackle a man. All of

543
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 3: the booth proprietors pop their heads out like prairie dogs

544
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 3: to catch the action. Customers stand with their mouths agape.

545
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 3: Who would ever suspect something like that happening at a

546
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 3: place like this the creepwood. He looks quickly at the

547
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 3: woman behind him. She cuts a fine figure and vientedge

548
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 3: chanel and delicate features. She nods and he reaches out

549
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 3: to you. In an instant, you are in his sweaty paws,

550
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 3: and then shoved under his arm inside his blazer. It's

551
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 3: hot and musty. Under there, you feel his heart pound

552
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 3: against you. He and the woman make fast strides toward

553
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 3: the door, heading away from the set to with security.

554
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 3: Everyone there continues to watch the scrum while you're whisked

555
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 3: towards the exit. The gentleman at the door, who should

556
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 3: be asking to see a receipt for you, is too

557
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 3: busy rubbernecking about the cottief to notice the one's speed

558
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 3: walking by him. The man holding you picks up the

559
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 3: paste to a quick trot out in the gravel parking area.

560
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 3: He and the woman jump in a car, gently setting

561
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 3: you in the back seat. He throws his jacket over you,

562
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 3: and the engine roars to life. Back in the fair,

563
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 3: Richard Green returns to his booth. As he gets settled

564
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 3: in on the director's chair he's set up in the corner.

565
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 3: Something looks off. He realizes it immediately. The pedestal containing

566
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 3: that still life is gone fave, he yells out. In

567
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 3: the car. You think to yourself, Richard Green and his

568
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 3: Monte Cristo cigars and his Rolex two. So that that

569
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 3: was their most brazen theft until it wasn't. By this time,

570
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 3: it's like two thousand year two thousand. Huh, Stefan and

571
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 3: on on Catherine and Catherine they hit up a gallery

572
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 3: in Lucerne, Switzerland, and she wasn't feeling this one from

573
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 3: the jump, like something wasn't right. And it was really

574
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 3: warm out so they couldn't wear coats to conceal the loot.

575
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 3: And the gallery was right across the street from a

576
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 3: police station.

577
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: Always a tough a criminal. You're, hey, guys, at this place,

578
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: where are we going to? Ends across the street from

579
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: the police station and just be cool, be cool.

580
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 3: No one else was in the gallery at all, and

581
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 3: so they were like the full focus.

582
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: Of the stat and also tough.

583
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 3: But still Steffan saw something that got them all worked

584
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 3: up and he had no choice. Okay, it was a

585
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 3: painting by Villain van Elst like us, how.

586
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: Could you not stiff get some water?

587
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 3: He looks around, take a moment, He reaches out, takes

588
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 3: the painting off the wall just like, tucks it under

589
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 3: his arm, and strolls out. Just okay, Well, the attempted

590
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 3: to stroll out because apparently he didn't act enough like

591
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 3: he knew. A gallery employee grabs him because they're like, wait,

592
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 3: this man's just walking out.

593
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: Sorry, you can't do this way. And also, why is

594
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: any Catherine not doing some kind of like falling down

595
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: and having a seizure.

596
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 3: You know, they're getting two brazens. Well, she was too,

597
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 3: she was too enraptured.

598
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: He has it. I don't know, she's just like I'm tired.

599
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 3: She was not having Yeah, so a gallery and play

600
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 3: grass him drags him across the street to the cops

601
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 3: and he tells them this sob story. But I've never

602
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 3: done anything like this before. I don't know what came

603
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 3: over me.

604
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 2: At boy, I'll.

605
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 3: Never do it again. Oh yeah, and they're like all right,

606
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 3: So they give him this eight month suspended sentence and

607
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 3: they ban him from entering Switzerland until the eight months

608
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 3: is over.

609
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: I really like it, and I'm not I'm not being

610
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: critical when I say this, but Europe's response to crime

611
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: is always, as an American just like that's so.

612
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 3: Cute, because yeah, it's like.

613
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm not recommending our way. I'm just

614
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 2: saying I'm so when I hear if you do what

615
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: for the most it's so cute. It's not for violent

616
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: I prefer.

617
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 3: Crimes. They're just like, you know, people are people exactly.

618
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: Stupid recognition of the fact we're all human as opposed

619
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 2: to like anyway, don't see what they're trying to profit

620
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: off their criminals.

621
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 3: Well yeah, but you know what they did. They got

622
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 3: the prince, they get his prince, and so this is

623
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 3: sort of a sign of things to come, like the

624
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 3: sloppiness Yea and Catherine, she's like starting to question their future.

625
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 3: They're not selling any of this and they just keep

626
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 3: cramming it into the attic. They don't even have their

627
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 3: own place, and he's the ing bigger and bigger stuff.

628
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 3: So they don't have their own place. They're living in

629
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: the mom's attic.

630
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: He doesn't really work.

631
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 3: She's got a gig as a CNA certified nursing assistant.

632
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 3: But they like barely covers the Billings bedpants. Yeah, is

633
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 3: this forever? Is what she's wondering. Are we ever going

634
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 3: to get married? We're gonna have kids? Am I just

635
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 3: looking down the road of decades of these heightsts until

636
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 3: we can't even personally fit into the area.

637
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: One day we get to sleep downstairs because your mom

638
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: passed exactly.

639
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 3: And so it comes to a head and Stefan broke

640
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 3: it to her. He's like, I am never going to stop.

641
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 3: This is who I am. She's shattered, but she stays

642
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 3: all right, I'll say, but you have to promise that

643
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 3: you're going to start wearing gloves because they got your

644
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 3: prints this time. And so he's like, yeah, yeah, sure.

645
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: Babe, Yeah right, no, probably I love gloves, yeah babe,

646
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 2: and then glove whatever you want, whatever you want, yeah sure.

647
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 3: And so then one day in November of two thousand

648
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 3: and one, he shows up in the attic with a

649
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 3: new item. He's got this bugle from fifteen eighty four.

650
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 3: It's worth forty five thousand pounds from the Richard Wagner

651
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 3: Museum in Lucerne, Switzerland.

652
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 2: And he knows there's like a whole like he had

653
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: like a moment with you. He comes in, he's like,

654
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 2: did you did you do your things?

655
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 3: Oh my god, there are only three like it on

656
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 3: the planet. Like he's losing it. She's like, did you

657
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 3: wear gloves?

658
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: He's like she should, honestly, she's going to stay with him,

659
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 2: iron off his fingerprints, just take your wear protection.

660
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 3: He's like, no, no, exactly, it was too good.

661
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: You got it. I'm saying, you gotta make it.

662
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 3: Loses it. She loses it. When he finds out he

663
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 3: didn't wear gloves, like, how could you do this?

664
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: Protection? You're praying everything.

665
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 3: She's like, I gotta make it right. You left your

666
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 3: fingerprints in a museum where the bugle used to be

667
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 3: in Switzerland, where they took your prints. We have to

668
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 3: go back, and not to return it, but to wipe

669
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 3: down the prints.

670
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 2: Oh that's a double bad idea too, So don't return

671
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 2: to the scene of the crime.

672
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 3: Off they go.

673
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 2: So we're going to make it right.

674
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Catherine, she went in to like clean up

675
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 3: while Steffan he wandered around in a park across the street.

676
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 3: There's this journalist who just happened to be walking his

677
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 3: dog on the museum grounds and he looks over received

678
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 3: stuff on and Some's just like not right.

679
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 2: He's like, this is weird. She's acting odd.

680
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 3: And he knew about the bugle theft, and so you know, Zaren,

681
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 3: if you see something, say something.

682
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: Or I'm split between I mean not just to myself,

683
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 2: like mutter to myself.

684
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 3: Usual what I Half the time I'm like, MI dro business.

685
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,919
Speaker 3: The other half the time I'm like, if you see something,

686
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 3: say something, like.

687
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 2: I see something. I try to make myself laugh about

688
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 2: what I see.

689
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 3: That's good. That's a good way. That should be on

690
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 3: a way like public information board. If you see something,

691
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 3: just tell it to yourself.

692
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 2: You can keep it to yourself and have a laugh.

693
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 3: So he saw something, he said something. He goes in

694
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: and he tells the secure guard like there's a suspicious

695
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 3: guy outside. And Catherine hears this, and she's like this.

696
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 3: She makes a break for it. She comes running out

697
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 3: of the building just as the guards make their way

698
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 3: to Stefan and arrest him and Lucern police they gave

699
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 3: the dog a lifetime supply of food in appreciation for

700
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 3: his help.

701
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: Good dog, way to go.

702
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 3: So meanwhile, Steffan, he's in the clink break time.

703
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 2: She just keeps walking. She's like, she's like, oh, I.

704
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 3: Just was looking for my boyfriend. Yeah, let's take a break.

705
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 3: When we return, I'm going to tell you about the cops,

706
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 3: Stiffan and the bugle.

707
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, Stefan bite Visa.

708
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 3: Yeah that's what I said. He stole him.

709
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 2: Abuse, Yeah he did.

710
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would write a folk song about it.

711
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: Told him a bugle. He was only thirty five.

712
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 3: I've told you my thing about killed.

713
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: Him, made his joints field.

714
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 3: I think it was my brother. Who there's that Davy

715
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 3: Crockett killed him a bear him the bar. He thought

716
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 3: it was killed in a bar when he was only three.

717
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 2: This his life rough.

718
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 3: Davy Crockett did all that.

719
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 2: In three years. So went out the way you lived.

720
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 3: So the cops they held him for days. He told

721
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 3: the cops, look, I was just trying to get like

722
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 3: a really nice Christmas present for my mom, but I

723
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 3: don't have any money, and she loves bugles, so I

724
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 3: just grabbed the bugle, Like who among us hasn't done that?

725
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 3: And all he really wanted to do was keep the

726
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 3: cops out of the attic. Yeah, of course, and to

727
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 3: my house, Rince, he'd done it before. So they like

728
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 3: they connected, Okay, this is your first time. I'm gonna

729
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 3: guess you have a hideout, like a little stash. He's

730
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 3: like no. They reach out to the cops in France,

731
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 3: they get a search warrant for the mom's place, but

732
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 3: it took like a month between the arrest and when

733
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 3: they can execute the search warrant. Ah, because it was

734
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 3: just like you know, cross border right, It's.

735
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 2: Like I guess, yeah, you got multiple countries. You're also

736
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 2: both Europeans. So you're kind of lacks about crime anyway.

737
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 3: Exactly European Union. But it's so they get there the

738
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 3: mom's home, and she's like, I don't know anything about it.

739
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 2: I don't even have a sign. Oh I have a.

740
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 3: They I don't go into the attic, she says, I've

741
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 3: never gone up there. That's his place up the stairs.

742
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 3: The cops go slowly, they turn, step by step, inch

743
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 3: by they throw open the attic door and there it

744
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 3: was nothing, absolutely bed and bare wall. I bet there

745
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 3: wasn't even dust monastic even. Yeah. So around the same time,

746
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 3: there's a man he's on a stroll nearby and he

747
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 3: sees something shiny in a canal and he wades in

748
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 3: and he pulls out a silver chalice. Oh god, and

749
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 3: he's like, man, this thing's gotta be like four hundred

750
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 3: years old.

751
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 2: Shaziam like la.

752
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 3: Score right, and then la he sees something else, a gobblet,

753
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 3: and then more silver work.

754
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 2: Homie threw the metal in the river.

755
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 3: Hah no, not bien, right, he called the cops. He's like,

756
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 3: no much, this pubbian way too much. So the police arrive.

757
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 3: They fish out almost one hundred and fifty pieces. What

758
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 3: the hell man and they gather everything up. They take

759
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 3: pictures of each item.

760
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 2: So if you can't have it, no one can.

761
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 3: Well you'll find out. Then they send the stuff off

762
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 3: to this museum to be like restored. Identified Stefan. He

763
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 3: hadn't been able to talk to his mom or Anne

764
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 3: Catherine this whole time, like he could have brief calls,

765
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 3: but he's still locked up. She's he doesn't say anything unusual,

766
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 3: doesn't write any In the interrogation room, a detective meets

767
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 3: with him right comes in, puts down a photo of

768
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 3: a metal on the table, and it's one that he

769
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 3: had stolen, like not too long before. He picked up

770
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 3: the bugle a recent high recent. But the metal looks

771
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 3: all rusty and dirty, and that's not how he found

772
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 3: it or left it, so he's all confused. Then the

773
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 3: cop puts down another picture. It's this golden snuff box

774
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 3: that also looks pretty rough. And then finally the detective

775
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 3: spreads out a stack of one hundred and forty photos

776
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 3: on the table. It's everything that Stefan had stolen, painting

777
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 3: that wasn't a painting, eight years of stuff, right down

778
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 3: to the pistol item number one. He sees this confesses

779
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 3: to stealing everything. Oh, I bet and then he says

780
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 3: to the cop, but what about the paintings, and the

781
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 3: cops like paintings. He has no idea what he's talking about.

782
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 2: So here's how he's.

783
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 3: Here's what went down. So Stefan gets arrested, and Catherine

784
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 3: and the mom never spoke publicly about it. Now, Stefan

785
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 3: he talked to Michael Finkel, the journalist, and there's a

786
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 3: whole book about him. But the other ladies didn't say anything,

787
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 3: and they never told Stefan anything. So this is all

788
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 3: like everyone trying to piece together what they think happened.

789
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 3: So it looks like Stefan gets arrested and Catherine, she

790
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 3: drives home. She tells the mom what happened, and then

791
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 3: it's like, let me show you.

792
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 2: This attic your mind.

793
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 3: So they know the cops obviously are going to be coming,

794
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 3: and the mom's like, I have to save my son.

795
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 3: And so they load all the small stuff into the

796
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 3: car and they drive to the ron Ryan Canal not

797
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 3: far from the house. They dump every non painting object

798
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 3: into it. This is the stuff that the guy found

799
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 3: and handed over. Then they go they go home and

800
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 3: they do another load and this time because probably like

801
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 3: in a little citrum, this time it's the big stuff.

802
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 3: I'm sure, the charming sa sculptures, the crossbow, there's this

803
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 3: enormous one hundred and fifty pound Madonna and child statue.

804
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 3: Then his mom like she's super religious, and so first

805
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,439
Speaker 3: of all, I don't know how he carted that out

806
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 3: from somewhere, but he stole it whatever, like did like

807
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 3: the firefighter carry for it. So the mom is like,

808
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 3: I can't, I can't just dish this in the dirt.

809
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 3: Like she goes and she finds a chapel in a

810
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 3: forest and like leaves it there. She didn't want to

811
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 3: offend the blessed Virgin. Okay, so the rest of it

812
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 3: they left.

813
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: The is she hoping like the priest who finds it,

814
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: it's America. I'm not saying anything, So just come back

815
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 2: and you take it back. Yeah.

816
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 3: So the rest of the stuff they leave in places

817
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 3: where it would eventually be discovered, like purposefully they're hiding.

818
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, like someone will find this and leaving a baby

819
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: on a doorsteps exactly.

820
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 3: And then there's the paintings, like that's the last batch.

821
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 3: So what do they do with those? Well, some of

822
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 3: them the mom cut up with scissors and shoved in

823
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 3: the garbage disposal on canvas. She just like crumpled up

824
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 3: and put in the trash. Oh I know. And then

825
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 3: all the ones that are on like wooden panels, and

826
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 3: Catherine to the mom. They load him into the car,

827
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 3: they go into the fire. They make a huge stack

828
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 3: and they set them all on fire, a giant funeral

829
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 3: pyre of priceless, incredible. I forget the forget the cost

830
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 3: of it. I don't care how much these are worth.

831
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 3: The beauty and the like human achievement to create something

832
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 3: like that.

833
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: The fact that we wanted to keep them ashes ashes.

834
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 3: And so Stefan finds out and he's heartbroken. I only

835
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 3: imagine these are his loves, his treasures, and like.

836
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 2: You'll never get to see them, touch them.

837
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,919
Speaker 3: They had to place him on watch in jail because

838
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,479
Speaker 3: they were worried her assumed he did. So he goes

839
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 3: on trial, sentenced to four years. It is s tomate

840
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 3: it that he stole over the years, two billion dollars.

841
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 2: Worth of art.

842
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 3: He had two billion dollars, and we now know how

843
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 3: much a billion really is. In the attic, they're on

844
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 3: government assistance, and she's you know he's anyway. His mom

845
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 3: goes to court for destroying the works. She's found guilty,

846
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 3: but only spent a few months in jail. And she

847
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 3: said in court that she thought it was quote, just

848
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,959
Speaker 3: a bunch of junk, and that until her son's arrest,

849
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 3: she had no clue he'd been sealed.

850
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 2: She was like a sitcom mother, you know, the one

851
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 2: you never see is hear the voice of and Catherine.

852
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 3: She gets arrested and she tells the cops she doesn't

853
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 3: know anything about anything. She thought that he was just

854
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 3: a hoarder with great taste, like what is.

855
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: This garage sales? How do you take a stone from?

856
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 3: She refused to testify against her. He refused to say

857
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 3: anything the court. Well, the court buys her story. She

858
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 3: walks free. She doesn't even if the cops by the story.

859
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 3: She didn't go to courton. Yes, she spent one night

860
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 3: in jail. That was it. Right after he got busted,

861
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 3: she left him for another guy. He still refused to

862
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 3: contradict her statement. And then she went and got pregnant

863
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 3: with this new guy, and he was like, I never

864
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 3: want to talk to her again. But this point he's convicted.

865
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: It's like she'd waited all that time for him to

866
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: like make it official, yeah, exactly, and then he didn't.

867
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 2: So she's like, well he will, uh huh. Yeah.

868
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,479
Speaker 3: So he gets out of jail when he's thirty three.

869
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 3: It's two thousand and five. Life is no longer exciting

870
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: as a result of his crimes. He's barred from going

871
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 3: into a museum or any other place showing art.

872
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 2: So like, there's a lot of public art. How do

873
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: you even enforce that? And in Europe?

874
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, you kidding me. But it still calls to him.

875
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 3: So he goes to an antiques face.

876
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 2: You don't want to have him over to your house

877
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 2: for a party. You'd be like, oh, you can't work,

878
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 2: you can't got art. I have art, you can't come over. Sorry,

879
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 2: you know how it is. Yeah, but there's this siren call.

880
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 3: He has to Belgium antiques Fair. It's there that he

881
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 3: sees a painting by Peter Brugle the Younger, This winter Land.

882
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 3: It gives him the buzzies. He feels that tingle before

883
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 3: he knows that he has stolen the painting in his outfit.

884
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 2: Before he looks down.

885
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 3: And so he takes his home, hangs it on the wall,

886
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 3: It makes him feel absolutely electric. He has a new

887
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 3: girlfriend by this point, of course, and she's like, where

888
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 3: where'd you get that? He's honest, he's like, I stole it,

889
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 3: but it's just one. I'm like, I'm not going to

890
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 3: do another one, don't worry.

891
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: And he knows who he is, Yeah, the past.

892
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 3: He's like, babe, babee, Okay, did you wear protection? He's like,

893
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 3: I were gloves. We're all good, and she's totally fine

894
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 3: with it. But then they break up and she's like,

895
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 3: I'm going to the cops.

896
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's she you can't really have a partner who

897
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: knows about that because of this reason for them.

898
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 3: If they they break up, there it goes. And so

899
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 3: she goes to the cop. He goes to jail. He

900
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 3: got out in twenty thirteen, forty one years old. He

901
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 3: came up with this idea that he was going to

902
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 3: become a museum security consultant, like a white oh.

903
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 2: Heist, Yeah, sure, why not?

904
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 3: I like that there are no takers.

905
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 2: There's no such thing, and it's not like hacking, where

906
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 2: there's actually people constantly trying to do this. It's like, oh,

907
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: we need someone to protect us. This is not a

908
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 2: our museum every night we have so my brain.

909
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 3: This is also like kind of pervy thing where he's like,

910
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 3: let me just get in there and then look, I'll

911
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 3: let me see what you gott.

912
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 2: Be close to the arc, just want to look near it,

913
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 2: look at it. He's a glance at this point.

914
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 3: He's just like hanging out with his mom every day,

915
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 3: just touch the frames. They go for walks in the woods.

916
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 3: He's on government assistance. He's like, got this little small

917
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 3: place near his grandparents farmhouse in i'l Sace, and he

918
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 3: stayed true to himself. He started stealing it.

919
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 2: Naturally, you got to live a little bit.

920
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 3: But see that's the thing you got to live. And

921
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 3: so this time he's doing it for profit. No, so

922
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 3: he got caught trying to sell stolen stuff on eBay.

923
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ibey was trying to sell stolen stuff on eBay.

924
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 3: Roman coins and like other little things, and he'd stolen

925
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 3: from museums in France, Germany. He went to trial April

926
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. He got sentenced to house arrest and

927
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 3: now he has to wear an ankle monitor until twenty

928
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 3: thirty one, when he'll be sixty years old. That sucks, right,

929
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 3: Zaren what is your ridiculous takeaway is was.

930
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 2: There like a documentary about this guy or like some

931
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 2: kind of like I think maybe because I feel like

932
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 2: I've seen that when you're describing the uh there was

933
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: going to be an addict with the artwork. Either I've

934
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 2: just been you know, I've read a lot about crime

935
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 2: in my life, so I maybe have just seen this

936
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: story from at some point in twenty something. But I

937
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 2: have some strong imagery of that addict is chocolate block

938
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 2: filled with art, you know, just all leaned in and

939
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 2: all that.

940
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 3: So there's supposed to be this movie, The Sleeping Shepherd,

941
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 3: it's in development that is like inspired by him with

942
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 3: Michael Pitt that he was on like Boardwalk Empire.

943
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 2: I was thinking that very.

944
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, he's close. But you know Immageen Poots which

945
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 3: like God bless that she's imas and Catherine's an actress. Yeah,

946
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 3: I don't know isabelle Bert.

947
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 2: French actress? Young kid? Right? I think he's got a

948
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 2: bright feature.

949
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 3: It was back in twenty sixteen though when you go

950
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 3: to when you go to IMDb, the Sleeping Shepherd is

951
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 3: categorized as in development.

952
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 2: I don't think that's happening.

953
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 3: That's not happening. So anyway, it's it's an incredible story.

954
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 3: There are a bunch of like little mini docs that

955
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,760
Speaker 3: I've seen, But the big thing is that Michael Finkle

956
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 3: book The Art Thief, which is interesting because he also

957
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 3: did the story of the Hermit in the Woods. He

958
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 3: wrote a book on that, and he has this weird

959
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 3: redemption story where he got busted for it's escaping you

960
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 3: know what what uh publication he wrote for. But he

961
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 3: he got in trouble for creating.

962
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 2: Like characters oh false.

963
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 3: It was like a composite yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you

964
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 3: like make up a person, right, So they had to issue,

965
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 3: you know, a retraction and he lost his job. And

966
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 3: so then now he does these books about It's fascinating.

967
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 3: He's a he's a great writer.

968
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 2: Anyway, Apparently the art Fabulous apparently.

969
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 3: Tell spins a great tale. Zaren, what does your ridiculous

970
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 3: take away?

971
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 2: My ridiculous take away, Elizabeth, thank you for asking.

972
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 3: You're so welcome, so quick.

973
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 2: Art thieves are really fun because it's like, uh, almost

974
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 2: like you could steal a hymn, you know, like it's

975
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 2: like nobody's really hurt by the fact you've stolen this beauty.

976
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 2: We still have it, but at the same time it's gone.

977
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, it's just an interesting thing, and

978
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 2: also about why we prize some things over others. And

979
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 2: then the part though about getting all heated by the artwork.

980
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 2: Imagine trying to explain that to someone with a straight face,

981
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 2: like who's like you're trying to get romantically involved with

982
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, nervous, like, look, there's something I

983
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: need to tell you, and you're like, what is it?

984
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 2: And they make that face like you're about to say

985
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 2: something weird and you're like, no, I know it's it's

986
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 2: gonna sound weird, but it's past that.

987
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 3: Are you used to seeing that face? Oh?

988
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 2: Most of my ideas people give me that face. I'm like, look,

989
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 2: I got an idea. They're like, I don't know, maybe

990
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 2: I heard your ideas. I'm going to walk away now

991
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 2: before I have to hire a lawyer. So yeah, that's it.

992
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 2: It's just basically that intimate moment having to tell a partner,

993
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 2: you know, it really gets to heat it up. Sharing

994
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 2: a king, well what turns you on? You know? So

995
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 2: there you go. What about you, Elizabeth?

996
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 3: I think that I don't I don't suffer from that condition,

997
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 3: and certainly not in the manner.

998
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 2: That he does.

999
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 3: But I mean, you do have these moments that are

1000
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 3: sort of transcendent when you see pieces of art.

1001
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I thought. I thought, if you've.

1002
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 3: Already seen them, if you've admired something and you've only

1003
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 3: seen it in print or digital on a screen, and

1004
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 3: then you see it in person, the power of it. Yeah,

1005
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 3: and especially a lot of times it's just like the

1006
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 3: scope of the canvas or the scope of the item.

1007
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 2: Like David, it's huge, it's tall. You look up at him,

1008
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 2: you're like.

1009
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 3: Man, yeah, or like you know, Birth of Venus. Yes, so,

1010
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 3: but you see these these pieces and or even if

1011
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 3: it's not something you've seen before, you know, I've been

1012
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 3: in museums or galleries where you just have to have

1013
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 3: the wind taken out of you because something is so impressive.

1014
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 3: And so I can see that. I feel bad for

1015
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 3: this dude that he had all this loss in his life,

1016
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 3: and I think was sort of pre programmed to to

1017
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 3: you know, morose behavior anyway, and you know it gets

1018
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 3: connected through the art. So he has this salvation, but

1019
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 3: it's also his undoing. And we we need art as salvation.

1020
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 3: We need music and visual art and you know, all

1021
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 3: of these things literature. I don't want to call us art,

1022
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 3: but like doing shows like this, you know, or it

1023
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 3: saves us, and I hate when that then becomes someone's undoing.

1024
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 2: That's my takeaway. Solid you should you should do this professionally.

1025
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 3: I should thank you so much. That's a really great compliment, Dave.

1026
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 3: I need to talk back.

1027
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I went get.

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00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 6: Hi producer die Zaren and Elizabeth. This is Marta. I

1029
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 6: wanted to tell you. I was at a restaurant with

1030
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 6: a friend this past weekend. A server, not the table server,

1031
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 6: came by, threw some butter pets on our table and said.

1032
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 3: Now you're part of the crime.

1033
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 6: I just tole some you have to. I thought, that's ridiculous.

1034
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 6: And then before we left, he threw two more butter

1035
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 6: pats down, said see, remember, don't turn me in. Thank

1036
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 6: you so much for all you do.

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00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 2: Wait, it be in a ridiculous criminal in the real world,

1038
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 2: winning ridiculous creme. But the attitude that she went with it.

1039
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 2: He didn't snitch to the manager. She's like, no, I'll

1040
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 2: play it cool.

1041
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 3: You take the butter with me. What a restaurant sounds like?

1042
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:10,959
Speaker 3: A zoo.

1043
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: art fetishist Dave Cousten, starring Annalice Rutgers. Research is by

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Speaker 3: producers are Noted Alsatian Art detectives Ben Boleen and Noel Brown.

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