Speaker 1: Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shonda land Audio in
Speaker 1: partnership with I Heart Radio. Hello, and welcome to another
Speaker 1: episode of Criminalia. This season, we're exploring the lives and
Speaker 1: motivations of some of the most notorious stokers throughout history.
Speaker 1: I'm Maria tram Marquis and I'm Holly Fry And today
Speaker 1: we're talking about stalking behavior that's happened in the more
Speaker 1: recent past than some of our other episodes, specifically related
Speaker 1: to the Beatles. Before we get into the specific beatle
Speaker 1: we're going to focus on today, we're also going to
Speaker 1: talk about the Fab Three for just a minute. Yes,
Speaker 1: the Fab Three. So let's start with the legendary founding
Speaker 1: member of the Beatles, John Lennon. So, as most of
Speaker 1: us know, Lennon was assassinated by an obsessed fan named
Speaker 1: Mark David Chapman on December eight. Lennon, who was forty
Speaker 1: years old, was shot four times at close range with
Speaker 1: a thirty eight caliber revolver in the Archway of the Dakota,
Speaker 1: which was his Manhattan address at the time. And Chapman
Speaker 1: had been a fan of the Beatles, but that fandom
Speaker 1: soured when John Lennon commented that the Beatles were and
Speaker 1: we quote and it's a rather famous quote, more popular
Speaker 1: than Jesus. Chapman was very offended by this and allegedly
Speaker 1: started planning to assassinate Lennon three months before he actually
Speaker 1: carried out that act. He had intended to cite J. D.
Speaker 1: Salinger's famous novel The Catcher in the Rye as his manifesto.
Speaker 1: He pleaded guilty to murder after he was taken in
Speaker 1: and he remains incarcerated in upstate New York. He was
Speaker 1: denied parole for the eleventh time. John Lennon is the
Speaker 1: most fantasty stock Beetle, but he certainly wasn't the only
Speaker 1: member of the band who was stopped. So let's look
Speaker 1: at Ringo Star for instance. Now, there are so many
Speaker 1: stories of fans grabbing at him, like just literally at him,
Speaker 1: at his clothing, at his hair, his body. He had
Speaker 1: his hair snipped, he had it actually pulled out, he
Speaker 1: had jewelry stolen, and including is one time when a
Speaker 1: necklace was actually stolen while he was wearing it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just no sense of boundaries or respect at that point.
Speaker 1: And then we have to talk about Paul McCartney. McCartney
Speaker 1: produced a song called Fixing a Hole, which appeared on
Speaker 1: the album Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, and that song,
Speaker 1: of course, was not literally about fixing a hole. According
Speaker 1: to McCartney's own account, it was based on the surge
Speaker 1: in the number of fans who were utterly and scarily
Speaker 1: obsessed with the group since the whole Beatlemania thing began.
Speaker 1: That we know is when fans became so obsessed that
Speaker 1: they started trying to get things such as an item
Speaker 1: of clothing or even a lock of hair from a
Speaker 1: member of a group, or stealing their necklace right off
Speaker 1: of their person, all while screaming that's the Beatlemania thing.
Speaker 1: And every one of these members feared the stalkers that
Speaker 1: he was getting, which were increasing in number as time
Speaker 1: went on. Yeah, And in nineteen sixty seven, Paul McCartney
Speaker 1: was quoted about the song in The London Times where
Speaker 1: he said, it's really about the fans who hang around
Speaker 1: outside your door day and night, and he reflects it
Speaker 1: in the song's lyrics, which include see the people standing there,
Speaker 1: they worry me and never win, and wonder why they
Speaker 1: don't get in my door. So now let's talk about
Speaker 1: George Harrison. No member of the Beatles was safe from stalkers,
Speaker 1: and George had at least two experiences with obsessed fans,
Speaker 1: and specifically, there were two who actually got into his
Speaker 1: home and one of them almost murdered him. George in
Speaker 1: an anthology Beatles Anthology, his quote was, they used us
Speaker 1: an excuse to go mad. The world did it, and
Speaker 1: then they blamed it on us, which I think is
Speaker 1: a great quote when we're talking about stalkers. Yeah, particularly
Speaker 1: when it comes to celebrity. So we're going to take
Speaker 1: a break for a word from our sponsor. Yes, you
Speaker 1: may have gathered this is a little bit of a
Speaker 1: heavier episode than some of them, And when we get back,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about how Kristen Kellerher broke into
Speaker 1: George Harrison's Hawaii home. Welcome back to Criminaliot. I want
Speaker 1: to hear about the woman who drank George Harrison's rout
Speaker 1: here because I know we do. First of all, we
Speaker 1: are going to start with this woman whose name was Kristen.
Speaker 1: In mid October of twenty seven year old woman Kristen
Speaker 1: Kellerher began obsessing over George Harrison and on December twenty three,
Speaker 1: of that year, Kristen broke into Harrison's sixty one acre
Speaker 1: estate near Hanna on the island of Mao. And those
Speaker 1: sixty one acres were full of trees and bushes very
Speaker 1: very intentionally meant to discourage paparazzi and fans like Kristen
Speaker 1: from reaching the family's mansion. But somehow Kristen did reach
Speaker 1: the mansion. And she walked through an open sliding glass door.
Speaker 1: And I think back to The Boy Jones, and it's
Speaker 1: always how did the boy Jones get into the into
Speaker 1: the palace? Oh, through an open window like and just
Speaker 1: walk right in, just straight in. So, uh, the circumstance
Speaker 1: of what Kristen did while she was there is actually
Speaker 1: kind of more interesting than how she got inside. So
Speaker 1: while she was there, she cooked a frozen pizza, she
Speaker 1: drank root here from the family's refrigerator, did some of
Speaker 1: her own personal laundry, and then called her mother a
Speaker 1: long distance in Long Branch, New Jersey. And this is
Speaker 1: all according to the police. And although she was obsessed
Speaker 1: to the point of delusion, Kristen admitted authorities that there
Speaker 1: was actually really no particular motive or reason for her visit.
Speaker 1: I have so many questions like did she bring dirty
Speaker 1: laundry with her so I think she could play house.
Speaker 1: Did she just take off what she had worn, wash
Speaker 1: it and then put it back on. I'm very fascinated
Speaker 1: by the laundry in particular. In my mind, she actually
Speaker 1: has like a pillow ka stack of laundry that she
Speaker 1: took with her. But that's very like Sullivan's travels. So
Speaker 1: she was discovered an hour later by in house security,
Speaker 1: who proceeded, to, of course, called the police. Don Carroll,
Speaker 1: who was the caretaker and manager of the estate, stated
Speaker 1: at her hearing that she did not have any permission
Speaker 1: to be in the house, and he also added that
Speaker 1: Kristen had approached him a few months earlier, in October
Speaker 1: of that year, to tell him that she was hoping
Speaker 1: that she would run into the Quiet Beetle. It wasn't
Speaker 1: just Dawn who reported Chris didn't as an obsessed fan.
Speaker 1: There's a written statement that was sent to the court,
Speaker 1: and it was reported that Kristen had previously visited the
Speaker 1: home of Harrison's brother in law asking to see the singer,
Speaker 1: and she was quoted saying, I thought I had a
Speaker 1: psychic connection with George. So after this break in, Kristen
Speaker 1: was arrested, as you might suspect since we've been mentioning
Speaker 1: the hearing, and she was taken to the Maui Community
Speaker 1: Correctional Facility that was at four thirty am on Christmas Eve,
Speaker 1: and the charge was actually burglary and theft, plus she
Speaker 1: also pleaded no contest to trespassing inside the estate, and
Speaker 1: Kristen was held on five thousand dollars fail or possibly
Speaker 1: three thousand. We came across both numbers in her records,
Speaker 1: but that's not really a super important detail, so we
Speaker 1: didn't really dwell on it. Ultimately, she served four months
Speaker 1: in jail for entering the house without permission and of
Speaker 1: course for the theft of eating frozen pizza and drinking
Speaker 1: root and probably that long distance phone call as well.
Speaker 1: But upon her release from jail, a few more years
Speaker 1: of probation were added to her sentence, and as it
Speaker 1: turns out, in a bit of good fortune, the Harrison
Speaker 1: family was not actually at their Hawaiian home when Kristen
Speaker 1: broke in, at least according to the Maui Police. It
Speaker 1: was reported in the London Times that Kristen was dangerous
Speaker 1: and that she would have tried to attack the Harrison's
Speaker 1: had they been at home. Maui police, though, replied that
Speaker 1: they and we quote wouldn't go so far as to
Speaker 1: call her a danger to the Harrison's. Those investigators believed
Speaker 1: that she was homeless and looking for a place to
Speaker 1: do her laundry and get a pizza and some root beer,
Speaker 1: writing a little snack while it was in the dryer.
Speaker 1: But Okay, I'm joking right now, but this actually becomes
Speaker 1: way more tragic when you look at Christian's life after this.
Speaker 1: On December nineteenth, two thousand and six, that puts Christen
Speaker 1: at about age thirty four, and that puts us about
Speaker 1: seven years to her visit to the Harrison home, she
Speaker 1: was found dead as the result of a murder suicide,
Speaker 1: and she had been fatally shot in the head outside
Speaker 1: of a Toyota Forerunner. According to the Nevada State Deputies
Speaker 1: on the scene, a man named Stanley Merchant, who was
Speaker 1: seated in the car had shot himself in the head
Speaker 1: as well. Both her shot with a twelve gage shotgun,
Speaker 1: and to this day, there is still no answer as
Speaker 1: to why this happened. I am not George Harrison and
Speaker 1: can't imagine what it would have been like. But I
Speaker 1: would imagine this was all rather unsettling, I bet. However,
Speaker 1: Kristen's story is not the end of his stalker experiences. Strangely,
Speaker 1: she was one of two cases that actually happened very
Speaker 1: close together on the timeline. She was arrested just one
Speaker 1: week before Harrison encountered another intruder. That was a man
Speaker 1: named Michael Abram at Friar Park, which is George's estate
Speaker 1: in Henley on Tham's, oxford Shire. So we are going
Speaker 1: to take a break for a word from our sponsor
Speaker 1: right now, and when we're back, what motivates one man
Speaker 1: to scale a brick wall that's topped with barbed wire
Speaker 1: just to get to a member of the Beatles, we'll
Speaker 1: talk about it. Welcome back to Criminalia. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: the night George Harrison was stomped. Okay, So over the
Speaker 1: years there have been a variety of burglary attempts at
Speaker 1: the Friar Park estate. It's about twenty five miles outside
Speaker 1: of London. There was a reported arson attempt in and
Speaker 1: George also received a number of written death threats over
Speaker 1: his decades as a member of the Beatles in response
Speaker 1: he had installed some pretty serious security. It had powerful
Speaker 1: lights and security cameras, electronically controlled gates, and the grounds
Speaker 1: were protected by a high brick wall which was topped
Speaker 1: with barbed wire, and there was a team of security
Speaker 1: guards as well, and they had guard dogs and all
Speaker 1: of this was on a premiss. George was the first
Speaker 1: Beatle who decided to retreat from the limelight and he
Speaker 1: moved to this protected country mansion. The grounds there were
Speaker 1: where Harrison fell in love with gardening, but they were
Speaker 1: also known for a network of caves amaze, as well
Speaker 1: as vast underground and underwater features. Oh and charmingly, Harrison
Speaker 1: salvaged more than one gnome as he was tending to
Speaker 1: the overgrown landscaping. He unearthed them and he always kept them.
Speaker 1: He kept everyone. That's a great little detail. And I
Speaker 1: actually encouraged you to go look at this firepark estate
Speaker 1: because the previous owner from the Harrison's they're the ones
Speaker 1: who did this like underground water system and underground cave network,
Speaker 1: and they did kind of some creepy photography there too,
Speaker 1: so it's all very There are a lot of pictures
Speaker 1: of it available on Yeah. Yeah, I highly encour despite
Speaker 1: all the security measures that are in place. On December
Speaker 1: thirty three, year old Michael Abram, who was a native
Speaker 1: of Liverpool, entered their estate. And I tell you it
Speaker 1: was not to make their pizza. No, Michael somehow scaled
Speaker 1: that wall with the barbed wire on top and entered
Speaker 1: the Harrison's mansion. This was an approximately three thirty am
Speaker 1: and he got in because he broke a window with
Speaker 1: a statue and climbed through. And as you might expect
Speaker 1: when the statue comes through your window, it woke up
Speaker 1: the family. He would think. It actually makes me wonder
Speaker 1: if the family wasn't staying at the Hawaiian estate at
Speaker 1: the time, why was the sliding glass door open. Let's
Speaker 1: ask Don that question next time he's around the manager
Speaker 1: of the state. I've always been curious. I'm like, why
Speaker 1: is that open? I always wonder if open just means
Speaker 1: it wasn't locked. Maybe, but come on down on. George's wife, Olivia,
Speaker 1: is actually the first who heard the noise, and when
Speaker 1: she heard it, she thought it actually wasn't an intruder.
Speaker 1: She thought that maybe chandelier had fallen, which I mean,
Speaker 1: to be honest, that's always my first thought when I
Speaker 1: hear a big noise in my house. It must be
Speaker 1: a chandelier. But she quickly realized that someone was actually
Speaker 1: in their house, and she called security, and she called
Speaker 1: the police. And while she was doing that, George put
Speaker 1: on a jacket over his pajamas and pulled on a
Speaker 1: pair of boots to go downstairs and check things out,
Speaker 1: which to me seems like it would have been quite
Speaker 1: a sight in his boots. And but that's where the
Speaker 1: fun part ends, because when he went downstairs, Michael stabbed
Speaker 1: George several times in the torso with a seven inch knife,
Speaker 1: and in the process he punctured his right lung. George,
Speaker 1: in a written statement to the court, said, when we
Speaker 1: quote there were times during the violent struggle, I truly
Speaker 1: believed I was dying. He said that he chanted Hari Krishna,
Speaker 1: his attacker, in an effort to distract him, but this
Speaker 1: just confused Michael. The struggle led the three Michael, George,
Speaker 1: and Olivia through three rooms of the mansion, and that
Speaker 1: didn't stop until Olivia struck Michael with a lamp. That
Speaker 1: finally was the act that caused him to drop his weapon. However,
Speaker 1: when he attacked Olivia and attempted to strangle her with
Speaker 1: the lamp cord. She finally escaped that and she escaped
Speaker 1: with minor injuries and bruises. Unlike George, she didn't require hospitalization.
Speaker 1: Despite their injuries, the pair were able to overpower the
Speaker 1: intruder until authorities arrived. I have to say, if you
Speaker 1: didn't already just respect George Harrison for his musical genius,
Speaker 1: you have to have mad respect for him with a
Speaker 1: punctured lung, working together with his wife to subdue someone
Speaker 1: who is clearly not in their right place and violent.
Speaker 1: As it turns out, the police station was just shy
Speaker 1: of a quarter of a mile down the road, So
Speaker 1: the police were at the estate quickly, just in a
Speaker 1: blink of an eye, and when they arrived they found
Speaker 1: this bloody scene, and they arrested Michael, the couple's twenty
Speaker 1: one year old son, and Olivia's mother, it's reported, were
Speaker 1: at home during the attack, but neither of them were injured.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine hearing that if you were in the
Speaker 1: other part of the house, It's terrifying. It would be
Speaker 1: very terrifying. Yeah. So, when questioned about Michael Abram, his
Speaker 1: family and his friends, his neighbors gave that common and
Speaker 1: ever so clichee answer, and we all know he was
Speaker 1: mild mannered. Family later said that Michael had recently developed
Speaker 1: an obsession with the Beatles, and he was already released
Speaker 1: on bail for allegedly criminally damaging a Beatles advertising billboard
Speaker 1: in Liverpool. Investigators believed George was likely specifically targeted by
Speaker 1: Michael when he attacked Harrison. He stated that he believed
Speaker 1: he had been sent by God to murder him. Michael
Speaker 1: also believed all of the Beatles were witches and that
Speaker 1: George specifically was trying to possess him. And this is
Speaker 1: really not where it ends. According to psychiatrist Philip Joseph,
Speaker 1: Michael's mental stability began to significantly deteriorate after the Eclipse
Speaker 1: of August, interestingly enough, and that is when Michael believed
Speaker 1: that the world would come to an end. And at
Speaker 1: that time, Michael also began to believe that Madonna could
Speaker 1: read his mind. He thought that the Oasis song wonder
Speaker 1: Wall was actually about the walls of his own apartment,
Speaker 1: and perhaps most interesting is that he also believed that
Speaker 1: he was the fifth Beatle. Before his Oxford Crown Court trial,
Speaker 1: Michael was admitted to a psychiatric unit for observation. Michael
Speaker 1: had reportedly been in and out of psychiatric hospitals over
Speaker 1: the years, and just six weeks before this attack, he
Speaker 1: was released from the psychiatric unit at Whiston Hospital because
Speaker 1: he was by the staff not to have any psychiatric illness,
Speaker 1: but they were obviously wrong. During observation, three psychiatrists unanimously
Speaker 1: diagnosed him with a complex delusional disorder. So although this
Speaker 1: didn't really happen all that long ago, today's experts probably
Speaker 1: would more likely have said that he was suffering from
Speaker 1: untreated schizophrenia with paranoia and may have been having delusions
Speaker 1: as well. Olivia, George's wife, described Michael as quote crazed
Speaker 1: and frenzied on the night of the attack, that his
Speaker 1: hair was long and unkempt, and that he wore a
Speaker 1: black leather jacket. She also said, this is so creepy
Speaker 1: to me that throughout the attack he was silent. He
Speaker 1: did not say a word, which she describes as and
Speaker 1: we're quoting her odd. An investigation into the attack determined
Speaker 1: that it wasn't a burglary gone wrong, that it was
Speaker 1: a planned attack on George, and Michael was charged with
Speaker 1: attempted murder. When he appeared in court, Michael had short
Speaker 1: blonde hair. He wore a black pinstripe suit, a white shirt,
Speaker 1: a pink tie, and round spectacles. He showed no emotion
Speaker 1: at the reading of the statement that George had given
Speaker 1: to the police after the attack, and he stated that
Speaker 1: he was grateful to his family and to his lawyers,
Speaker 1: who all continued to support him, and he said quote,
Speaker 1: if I could turn back the clock, I would give
Speaker 1: anything not to have done what I did in attacking
Speaker 1: George Harrison. But looking back on it now, I have
Speaker 1: come to understand that I was at the time not
Speaker 1: in control of my actions. I can only hope the
Speaker 1: Harrison family might somehow find it in their hearts to
Speaker 1: accept my apologies. In addition, at the close of the trial,
Speaker 1: he gave another statement apologizing to the Harrison's for his actions,
Speaker 1: and it was read aloud in court by his attorney
Speaker 1: and we quote here, I'm writing this letter in the
Speaker 1: hope that it would be passed on to Mr and
Speaker 1: Mrs Harrison. I wish to say how sorry I am
Speaker 1: for the alarm, distress and injury that I have caused
Speaker 1: while I was ill. I have seen many doctors prior
Speaker 1: to the attack, and I was never told I was
Speaker 1: suffering from schizophrenia or any mental illness. I thought my
Speaker 1: delusions were real and everything that I was experiencing was
Speaker 1: some kind of witchcraft. I know that Mr and Mrs
Speaker 1: Harrison fought for their lives and that they must have
Speaker 1: been terrified by the lunatic in their house. The jury
Speaker 1: took just over an hour to return its verdict. Michael
Speaker 1: was found not guilty by reason of insanity and he
Speaker 1: was sentenced to Scott Clinic that's a medium security mental
Speaker 1: health unit without time restriction. He was released from that
Speaker 1: facility in two thousand two. George, who was originally taken
Speaker 1: to the Royal Berkshire Hospital, was moved to the Thoracic
Speaker 1: unit at Hairfield Heart Hospital where he could be treated
Speaker 1: by specialists. He did not attend the trial because he
Speaker 1: was still recovering from his injuries. And George was it
Speaker 1: was once quoted as saying, and this wasn't immediately after
Speaker 1: this attack, and this was just in general. He was
Speaker 1: saying that the whole magnitude of our fame made me nervous,
Speaker 1: which actually really becomes clear in these two weeks of
Speaker 1: his life. Yeah, across the world she attacks is very scary.
Speaker 1: The chief executive of the Royal Berkshire, who was a
Speaker 1: man named Mark Gritten, was quoted at the time saying
Speaker 1: that although Harrison was shocked by the incident, he had
Speaker 1: not lost his sense of humor. He shared that George
Speaker 1: had told him we quote, the man wasn't a burglar,
Speaker 1: but he certainly wasn't auditioning for the Traveling Wilburies. That
Speaker 1: was great that he get still laugh about it, and
Speaker 1: that's funny. Um. So, while we remember George as the
Speaker 1: Beatles guitarist who wrote and sang songs including Here Comes
Speaker 1: the Sun and while my Guitar gently weeps, he did
Speaker 1: die of cancer in two thousand and one at the
Speaker 1: age of fifty eight, and that was just one year
Speaker 1: before Michael Abrams is released. Upon his death, Paul McCartney
Speaker 1: told reporters of Harrison quote, he was a lovely guy
Speaker 1: and a very brave man and had a wonderful sense
Speaker 1: of humor. He is really just my baby brother. And
Speaker 1: Ringo Starr said, and this is also a quote. We
Speaker 1: will miss George for his sense of love, his sense
Speaker 1: of music, and his sense of laughter and There's also
Speaker 1: one more quote from the former Beatles producer Sir George Martin,
Speaker 1: who described Harrison as a quote very peaceful person who
Speaker 1: hates violence of any kind. So that is George Harrison.
Speaker 1: So Holly, please tell me that you named this drint
Speaker 1: eleanor whiskey. I didn't, but it does have whiskey because
Speaker 1: I love you, because you love me. So I briefly
Speaker 1: thought about something with root beer because of the first entry,
Speaker 1: but I shied away from that um. And then, of course,
Speaker 1: like the obvious thing is to figure out a drink
Speaker 1: called a Sergeant Pepper. But if you do a quick
Speaker 1: Internet search, you discover that a jillion people have done
Speaker 1: a Sergeant Pepper. And I mean, Mr Mustard is probably
Speaker 1: going to go a weird direction in a drink, right,
Speaker 1: But I still really liked the idea of something with
Speaker 1: pepper in it. So I decided on a drink that
Speaker 1: I am calling the Peppery Sergeants, And it starts with
Speaker 1: two ounces of whiskey, and into that whiskey you're gonna
Speaker 1: put a table spoon of hallopeeno jam I would do
Speaker 1: at this point the whiskey neat, I wouldn't add any
Speaker 1: ice at this point, and you let the jam and
Speaker 1: the whiskey sit together just a little bit and then
Speaker 1: give it a stir so that your sugar can dissolve
Speaker 1: into the whiskey, and then you pop your ice into
Speaker 1: your glass on top of it, and then you just
Speaker 1: top it off with club soda. Oh that's really easy.
Speaker 1: It's really easy, and it's really interesting and fun, and
Speaker 1: it's quite light. Like one of my problems with whiskey
Speaker 1: is that the taste of it to my palate is
Speaker 1: very hard and heavy. Because you're diluting the whole thing.
Speaker 1: You just end up with kind of a light, crisp tasting,
Speaker 1: really surprisingly refreshing beverage. So hallepeen your jam where it's at. Also,
Speaker 1: for anybody that just is similarly struggles with whiskey, you
Speaker 1: can put any jam in whiskey. You can do the
Speaker 1: same exact thing with like a fake jam. You can
Speaker 1: do like an apricot jam, which is also very yum.
Speaker 1: The The key is that you have to just be
Speaker 1: ready for the fact that, depending on the nature of
Speaker 1: your jam. Mine was a homemade halle peen your jam,
Speaker 1: so it had definitely like chunks of chopped up hallepeen
Speaker 1: you in it. So you just have to know that
Speaker 1: there's going to be some texture to your cocktail. And
Speaker 1: if you're not into that, you could strain it after
Speaker 1: you dissolve the jam into the whiskey. But I actually
Speaker 1: like that extra little kick that you get from, like, oh,
Speaker 1: a piece of hallopeen. You just hit my tongue. That's
Speaker 1: the peppery, sergeant. It's like a little surprise surprised. Well,
Speaker 1: that's excellent whiskey drink. I never thought it would happen
Speaker 1: like a jammy whiskey drink. I've done others. I've done others.
Speaker 1: I'm forever trying to figure out ways I can mend
Speaker 1: my relationship with whiskey. We never had a falling out.
Speaker 1: We just we circle each other. We have a lot
Speaker 1: of friends in common, but we never really have quite
Speaker 1: hit it off. That's my relationship with whiskey. But it's
Speaker 1: getting better. We're working on it. We're trying to set
Speaker 1: up some outing seeing each other often, just hang out,
Speaker 1: find our commonalities. We do it. That's how you make
Speaker 1: friends with the spirit that you don't normally drink. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you do start experimenting with jam in your whiskey
Speaker 1: drink responsibly. We also want to thank you for hanging
Speaker 1: out with us and listening to our stories and our
Speaker 1: nutty drink recipes. Can't wait to see you back here
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