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Speaker 1: Swine Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hi Ben, so happy that you're back in Nashville.

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Speaker 3: It feels oddly like come home a bit. Yeah, guys only,

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Speaker 3: And it's weird because you know, I grew up. I

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Speaker 3: grew up in Canada, but like which part again, Ontario,

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Speaker 3: So if you were to go straight north, that's where

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Speaker 3: we are. So a lot of the like feeling of

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Speaker 3: the rolling hills, the lush greenery, the nice people, it's

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Speaker 3: all very similar to where I grew up. So I

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Speaker 3: really yeah, I mean, I'm kind of talking about morning

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Speaker 3: and place down here.

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Speaker 2: Well I might know that because you might be using

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Speaker 2: our real chorm.

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Speaker 4: And I may know that because I may run into

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Speaker 4: your way with the nail salon.

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Speaker 2: Where I just have to say, and I mean, I

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Speaker 2: love you, You're you're great. But I love your wife so much,

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Speaker 2: like she's just she's amazing. And so we've obviously been

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Speaker 2: texting a lot, and so I told her to go

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Speaker 2: to Spring Nails. She's like, wish I my nails down,

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Speaker 2: Like I'll Spring Nails, and you know this is who

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Speaker 2: you need to go see. But yeah, I mean I've

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Speaker 2: been working hardcore to be like because she really wants

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Speaker 2: to too, and I'm like, listen, so I've like sent

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Speaker 2: a few houses. Then I'm like, here's my realtor.

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Speaker 1: You know, we have a jam packed row.

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Speaker 2: That's what Nick was saying.

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Speaker 1: Houses, So it'll be nice, it's gonna be great.

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Speaker 4: But I went through your checklist and I was like,

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Speaker 4: this one looks awfully good to me. It's down the street.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But I think there's something the fact that you

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Speaker 2: felt that, because I remember when I was still living

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Speaker 2: in Los Angeles and I was doing One Tree Hill

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Speaker 2: and I was flying from Wilmington to Nashville, was before

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Speaker 2: I ever bought a house here. I remember that feeling

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Speaker 2: going like just this the anxiety washed away almost right

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Speaker 2: when I landed, and it just all it always felt

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Speaker 2: like home before it was home, right, So it's interesting

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Speaker 2: that you had that same It's a connection. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: just and you know, maybe it's because you know, you

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Speaker 2: spent what a month here with with your family while

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Speaker 2: we filmed the movie. But it was very warm when

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Speaker 2: we were filming the movies, so I'm like, no, this

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Speaker 2: isn't this isn't like it like this all the time.

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Speaker 2: So that's where I'm glad that you guys are back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's part I think also the people,

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Speaker 3: because in Canada we're very friendly reputation for that and

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Speaker 3: Tennessee I've found the exact same. It's the people are

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Speaker 3: so warm, so welcoming, authentic, they're real set versions of themselves,

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Speaker 3: which you don't get in La.

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Speaker 1: You just don't.

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Speaker 3: And so yeah, there's a lot of things, there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of boxes that are being checked.

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Speaker 2: Very exciting. I would be so happy. And we know, Ben,

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Speaker 2: you're most recognizable from your role that you play in

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Speaker 2: Virgin River. Do you watch Virgin River? Kristin you know?

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Speaker 4: Okay, so funny. I started to watch it because I've

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Speaker 4: been told I look like one of the girls on

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Speaker 4: Virgin River.

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Speaker 2: His girlfriend his on site on side.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, yes, He's like, well, we don't need those rumors.

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Speaker 4: A wonderful woman hands no girlfriends.

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Speaker 1: Now, I'm looking at you. You do you? Yes? And

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Speaker 1: I go Zibby Allen is the actress and Brie is

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Speaker 1: the character on the show.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, they're like, you're Brie And I was like,

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Speaker 4: I don't know, and I never I don't. I'll say this,

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Speaker 4: you guys probably don't go through this, but like, I

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Speaker 4: don't get compared to anybody that's like overly stunning usually,

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Speaker 4: So I was like, let's see about this character. You know,

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Speaker 4: like it's never like a beautiful no she and she

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Speaker 4: seems very real, which I liked about it.

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Speaker 3: She's a fantastic actress. We you know, it's it's it's

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Speaker 3: one of those things. And I think, I know we

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Speaker 3: had it on this show, on this movie that Jane

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Speaker 3: and I just shot the Christmas ring in the six

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Speaker 3: plugging this all interview. But when you get to have

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Speaker 3: an actor that you work with who has this natural rapport,

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Speaker 3: who's talented, who has this easy connection, and you're able

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Speaker 3: and elevate them, and it becomes fun and it's kind

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Speaker 3: it's so precious and it always translates onto screen. It's

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Speaker 3: And yeah, so we have that with Zibby, but Jane

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Speaker 3: and I I think also really early on Yeah, clicked, and.

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Speaker 4: Now I was wondering if you're the common denominator here, Ben,

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Speaker 4: because this is the same thing that Karen said about

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Speaker 4: you and Jana on set and the Christmas range said

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Speaker 4: it was very special that there was such a good

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Speaker 4: chemistry and that it was such a mutual respect between

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Speaker 4: you two that she noticed that most of anything on set.

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Speaker 3: It really helped. Jenna invited my whole family. So I

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Speaker 3: have three kids who are wonderfully crazy.

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Speaker 4: They're outstanding.

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Speaker 3: Little Layman's nine, seven and five now she just turned

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Speaker 3: five coming away, Gatsby and Jennifer, So we're a full crew,

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Speaker 3: and I try and bring them wherever I film as

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Speaker 3: much as possible, just because there's such a they're Also

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Speaker 3: it's a bit because I don't want them to feel

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Speaker 3: like they're missing, like dad just goes up and missing

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Speaker 3: for a month. But also I just need them and

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Speaker 3: it really helps me. This role on the Christmas Ring

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Speaker 3: in November in theaters and remember sixth this role was

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Speaker 3: not so heavy, but there are roles where you play

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Speaker 3: where it is heavy, and it's hard to take that

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Speaker 3: people ask like, what's your trick? My trick is to

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Speaker 3: I instantly know what role I'm playing, and I instantly

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Speaker 3: know who I am again. And so but anyway to

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Speaker 3: get back to it, we're a handful. We were all

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Speaker 3: here and Janna invited us over for a barbecue before

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Speaker 3: we started shooting, and it was amazing, Like our families

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was just that way we could all

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Speaker 2: just be comfortable, you know, because I know the first

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, that's unique.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it I loved it because I got to,

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Speaker 2: because we have to go in the next day and

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Speaker 2: pretend we're in love, yes, you know, and so to

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Speaker 2: like it's like we've been friends for so long too,

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Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know, there was something that was was,

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Speaker 2: I mean truly, like so so so talented, and it

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Speaker 2: I did get to I did get to see pieces

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Speaker 2: was pretty cool because I'm like, yeah, we did that,

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Speaker 2: we changed that, we made it our own, and you

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Speaker 2: really helped bring that. You made me look better. Thanks,

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you.

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Speaker 3: And likewise, you're fantastic actress and it was an honor

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Speaker 3: and looking forward to going work is elevating every scene,

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Speaker 3: that thing in the morning, you lose them and those

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Speaker 1: They're invested, like.

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Speaker 3: Literally totally in on the movie and whether the movie

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Speaker 3: if we offer an entertainment experience where you go to

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Speaker 3: the movie theaters November sixth for the Christmas Ring where

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Speaker 3: Christmas spirit or you can get in whatever world you

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Speaker 3: are creating, then we've done our jobs.

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Speaker 1: That for me is like okay, good, Then the magic

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Speaker 4: Did Baby Ben taking you back to Baby Ben before

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Speaker 4: we get to you know, the Christmas Ring out November

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Speaker 4: six When Baby Ben was a baby Ben? What was

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Speaker 4: to go into acting? Did you love entertaining? What were

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Speaker 3: You know, the more I watched my oldest son, Hemingway,

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Speaker 4: My brother Dony was a million characters.

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Speaker 3: And it's it's awesome because that early on make believe

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Speaker 3: feels it's probably obviously it's a bit of therapy, you know,

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Speaker 3: But there's a bit of a path for me. I

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Speaker 3: then my dad was also kind of doing community theater.

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Speaker 2: But I just couldn't. I was so disconnected and I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't look like you've been crying too before

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00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,399
Speaker 3: you've been anyway that was and so she's giving me

438
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 3: everything and I get it on the last one, and

439
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 3: I'm happy because we just we had versions that weren't

440
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,120
Speaker 3: They were okay, but they weren't it. And and then

441
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 3: they've got to switch around, and poor Jana like just

442
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,919
Speaker 3: I want where but she there's a there, There is

443
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 3: a very She.

444
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely killed it, like to the.

445
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 3: Point where I was watching and I got to just

446
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 3: be a spectator to it and just watched, you know,

447
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 3: someone at the top of their game doing great, great

448
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 3: work and servicing not only being a team player but

449
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,239
Speaker 3: a team leader, which is also hard to do as

450
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 3: a number one because you've been working for two three

451
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 3: straight weeks a NonStop, and to finish it off, it's

452
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 3: like seeing someone run a marathon and then break into

453
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 3: a full sprint at the end. You know, you're just

454
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 3: like so so so rare to see And she killed it,

455
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:41,679
Speaker 3: and I can't wait for people to see it.

456
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 1: It's going to be sweet in theaters.

457
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 2: You're sweet, yeah, But I think there was. It was

458
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,880
Speaker 2: once it did get on my side. It was kind

459
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,880
Speaker 2: of that emotion too, of it being the last scene too,

460
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 2: where it was and then just acting with you was.

461
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,400
Speaker 2: It was wonderful. So let's hear your worst day that

462
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 2: that wasn't the worst day, thank god.

463
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, no, my worst day was when I was

464
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 3: twenty three, so young too. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, young too.

465
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 4: I think a lot of us are worst days. I

466
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 4: like to say, I'm not an actor, but.

467
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, make a lot of mistakes. Yeah. I was shooting

468
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,479
Speaker 1: in New York in Coffin Studios, which is like the

469
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 1: oldest the oldest studios in North America's were like Charlie

470
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 1: Chapman shot in in Queens and it was just like

471
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: a dream job I was. I was.

472
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Speaker 3: It was a show called The Beautiful Life. Ashton Culture

473
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 3: produced it. I was playing a young Ashton Culture in

474
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 3: the in the TV series for the CW anyway, living

475
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 3: on top.

476
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: Of the world, living in Manhattan Reach. Yeah, Misha Barton

477
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: was in it.

478
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 3: Uh g Gall Goado was in it as well, who

479
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 3: that was like her first thing in North America. It

480
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 3: had a great cast and but anyway, you know, I

481
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 3: was driving to work and there was like eighty foot

482
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 3: billboards of myself, you know, half naked and saying, you know,

483
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 3: the Beautiful Life.

484
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: And I was literally you know, we were hanging out.

485
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 3: With the gospel girl gossip girl people, and living as

486
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 3: big as you could live in New York at a

487
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 3: twenty three year old level.

488
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, massive massive.

489
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 3: So head was very large, and and until about halfway

490
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 3: through the day, it was close to Halloween, and so

491
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 3: it was like, you know, dress up for Halloween Day

492
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 3: and our our third a D like kind of the

493
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 3: trailer a D comes in and she is in a

494
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 3: tinker Bell outfit and bless her, she is like, you know,

495
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 3: a full bodied but a bigger tinker Bell and she

496
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 3: had Misscara like fully and I was like, at first,

497
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 3: I was like, is this part of the it's like

498
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 3: your your sad tinker Bell like it's kind of cool,

499
00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 3: like but we didn't see that. Yeah, it's a good choice.

500
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 3: But then there was real tears and she's like, Ben,

501
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 3: we're done, And I was like, what done for the day,

502
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 3: Like we're only halfway through, you know, No, no, the

503
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 3: show's done. And I was like, this show's done. We're

504
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 3: only shoot, we're only episode seven. We're twenty two, you know,

505
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 3: seven out of twenty two.

506
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 4: I'm still having naked on a billboard. Yeah, we're not done.

507
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, And they're like we have thirty minutes to

508
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 3: leave the studio. I'm like thirty I've been living in

509
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 3: this in this dressing room. Is the dressing room has

510
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 3: been signed by de Niro and Paul Newman and Denzel

511
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 3: Washington and like this is these are the greats have

512
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 3: been in this dressing room and I have to leave now,

513
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 3: like within thirty minutes, and like this is as much

514
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 3: as the rug getting pulled out from underneath you as

515
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 3: you can get. And two episodes that aired. It was

516
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 3: in the middle of the the two thousand and eight

517
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 3: stock crash and the housing crisis, and advertisers were pulling

518
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 3: out of anything that wasn't doing well. And it wasn't

519
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 3: that we weren't doing well, just we had Glee was

520
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 3: in our time slot on was ABC, Fox the Fox,

521
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 3: and it was like you could watch Glee when you

522
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 3: could watch our show, and Glee was just popping off

523
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 3: and we couldn't compete, and instead of them giving us

524
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 3: a new time slot, they pulled us and everything came

525
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 3: crashing down. I remember vividly walking out into the hallway

526
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 3: and everyone had this stuck their heads out of their

527
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 3: dressing rooms because we were in dress rooms. We were

528
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 3: on the studio so didn't have trailers, and everyone had

529
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 3: the same look of orror on the face. And I

530
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 3: remember going to the bathroom and just demolishing it. This

531
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 3: is a young twenty three year old taking out every

532
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 3: aggression they could ever have. And after that happened, then

533
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 3: I put all my stuff in a garbage bag. We

534
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 3: all went to the local Queen's pub and all got angry,

535
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 3: angry drunk, And you know, I woke up the next

536
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 3: day on my kitchen floor and had a knock on

537
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 3: the door. I had just purchased like sixty thousand dollars

538
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 3: of furniture for my apartment. I mean, also, I didn't

539
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 3: need to do that.

540
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: But he's twenty three and he's making money the first time.

541
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 3: Yes, so that was what it was. Then, Yeah, I

542
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 3: needed to fill out the apartment. So as I'm doing that,

543
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 3: waking up a little dog Stella at the time she

544
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 3: needed to go to the bathroom. They I'm like, you

545
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 3: have to send all this back. I can't afford. I

546
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: just lost my job and I'll pay whatever restocking fee.

547
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 3: I just can't do it. And then I take my

548
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 3: blackberries BlackBerry days. I had no charge, and of course

549
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 3: it's been blowing up with people being like, what's going on?

550
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 3: And so I need to go get a charger for

551
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 3: it because I left it in the studio because I'm

552
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 3: thirty minutes get out of there. And so I leave

553
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 3: my apartment. And I'd been paparazzi before, usually in the

554
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 3: group of people or on set or like around town shooting.

555
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 3: I'd never had someone come to my residence and wait outside.

556
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 3: And of course there's these guys and they're just wanting

557
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 3: to get like a photo of me looking sad sad.

558
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, looking like you just got time and you.

559
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 3: Know, how do you feel about the beautiful life getting canceled?

560
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 3: And I'm just like, I feel like punching you in

561
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 3: the face. Really really had.

562
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: No I did.

563
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 3: I was just like, get out of here, and he's

564
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 3: like they followed me because I had to get the Broadway.

565
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 3: I'm in Alida. It's like a four block walk. They

566
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 3: followed me and my dog.

567
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: They wanted you to they wanted me looking.

568
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 3: And they got it and I and I went in

569
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 3: and they followed me all the way back to my place.

570
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 3: And it's cool. It's cool because of this. I have

571
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 3: a picture in my office. I bought one of their

572
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 3: photos and it's me looking despaired and like I had

573
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 3: the worst day of my life, which I had, and

574
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 3: I'm walking my dog and in the background of the

575
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 3: photo is this delicatestent called trust and well, yeah right,

576
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 3: And to me then it meant nothing. I was just

577
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 3: like all I could see is the photos and it

578
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 3: was just like it ran in some of the you know, magazines,

579
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 3: and it was just like this is this is horrible.

580
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 3: But now having been fifteen plus years since doing that

581
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 3: and having the absolute so lucky to have the career

582
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 3: that I've had since then, you know, I went a

583
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 3: year without working after that because not because I didn't

584
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 3: have options. I was in for like Marvel movies and

585
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 3: you know, big, big opportunities. Every room I went in,

586
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 3: everyone was like, I'm so sorry about your show, because

587
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 3: not many shows get canceled after two episodes.

588
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: It was a big thing.

589
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 3: And I'm like, that's not how I want to start this, Like,

590
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 3: can we can try it. I want to start with

591
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 3: this opportunity. And it just followed me everywhere. And I

592
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 3: also then put it on myself being twenty three, having

593
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 3: no idea of the real reason that got canceled and

594
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 3: I bared the weight of it, and like I said,

595
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 3: ninety nine point nine percent of the job is getting

596
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 3: up off the floor and being resilient and realizing.

597
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: It's not you.

598
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 3: And that took a full year for me, but I

599
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 3: did it and I got back up and then I

600
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 3: started working again, and I started and I'm lucky I

601
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 3: haven't stopped so.

602
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 2: And Virgin Rivers, how many years now you've been on?

603
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: Gosh, Virgin Rivers.

604
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 3: We've shot seven seasons and we're picked up for eight,

605
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 3: which officially makes us the longest running series of Netflix.

606
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 2: Amazing, incredible.

607
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's wild, It's wild. Yeah.

608
00:30:59,160 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 4: Wow.

609
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 2: It's such a good reminder too to just keep going

610
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: and trust. Yeah, and I think especially this business is

611
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: like you said, it's grueling and it's hard and it

612
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: just tears you apart. And it's like I've talked about

613
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: this before, where we have all the people that will

614
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: talk negative things, but like we are, we're our own,

615
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: our biggest negative voice in our head because of the

616
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: amount of rejection. But also we have to just keep

617
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: going because this is what we love to do. And

618
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: you know, I've spoke to you about my frustrations and

619
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: but you know it'll come if you keep showing up.

620
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 3: And trust and trust, trust in yourself, trusting God, trust

621
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 3: in your talent, trust that there's a lot of no's

622
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 3: that lead to the right. Yes, yeah, you know, even

623
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 3: Virgin River there was I was testing. I tested, which

624
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 3: is everyone out there? This is essentially the last step.

625
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 3: You know how much you're going to make. You know everything.

626
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 3: You've signed a contract already, but so as two or

627
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 3: three other actors and the studio and all the people

628
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 3: who wear suits show up, and you have to show

629
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 3: them in a room, sometimes this office, sometimes like a

630
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 3: conference room. Sometimes it's on a stage. You have to

631
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 3: show them that you're worth the number on the page.

632
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 3: And it's crushing when you don't get it, crushing because

633
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 3: you in your mind you're like, this is going to change.

634
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 3: I am going to make this this, this is going

635
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 3: to change everything. It's with this actor and this team,

636
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 3: and it's going to be amazing. And I went through

637
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 3: four of those within one week and didn't get any

638
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 3: of them, like.

639
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: Zero, and so I was just like ugh.

640
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 3: And then Virgin River came along and had I gotten

641
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 3: one of those shows? Every one of those shows was

642
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 3: one and done. Some didn't even get picked up past

643
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 3: the pilot. And so it's just about trusting and having

644
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 3: faith and knowing that there's so many no's that lead

645
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 3: to the best yeses. And if it wasn't for those nos,

646
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 3: you know, you wouldn't be we all wouldn't be what

647
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 3: the partners were with because at some point we ran

648
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 3: into knows, sometimes multiple nos, and that led us to

649
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 3: who we're with now.

650
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: And let us do where we are now. And if

651
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: you believe that you are in the right space, then

652
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: that's because a lot of nose turned into yes's.

653
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 2: Amen to that Ben Church with Ben so good.

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Speaker 4: Hey, friends, tell us where we can see you on

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Speaker 4: November six?

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Speaker 2: What do you love most about Braiding? And what do

657
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 2: you not love about Brady?

658
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: Oh? Gosh.

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Speaker 3: I love that he is misunderstood. I love that he

660
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 3: has a redemption arc. I love that he's opening himself

661
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 3: up from this shut down outsider and navigating love really

662
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 3: for the first time at what thirty you know whatever. However,

663
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 3: I'm not sure how old Brady. I'm gonna say thirty. Yeah, listen,

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Speaker 3: I'll cut ten years out and listen. Well arrested, Well,

665
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 3: can we have a pool anyway?

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Speaker 1: Back? To Brady, who's.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's sometimes your characters you play someone who

668
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 3: doesn't grow, and that's hard because you're playing the same note,

669
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 3: and especially over seven seasons, that's like really hard to find.

670
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 3: They to find the nuance throughout seven seasons. But lucky

671
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 3: for me, I knew pretty early on that the character

672
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 3: was going to have redemption arc. And along the way

673
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 3: he stumbles, and along the way he makes mistakes. But

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Speaker 3: what makes him relatable and so far what I've seen is,

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00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 3: you know, fand favorite is it. He is not perfect

676
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 3: and in this perfect place, in this perfect love story

677
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 3: that between melon Jack, the two leads, and this idyllic town,

678
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 3: that there's this one person who really makes mistakes, but

679
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 3: he has a good heart and people can see that

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00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 3: even when he's making mistakes, he's trying to do the

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00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 3: right thing. And for me, that's all of us.

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00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:15,479
Speaker 2: That's right.

683
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 3: All of us make mistakes, all of us are trying

684
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 3: to do the right thing. And that's why I think

685
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 3: when audience members see that, they go him, root for him,

686
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 3: because I relate in this way, in this way, in

687
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 3: this way, and they may not say it to themselves consciously,

688
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 3: but when you see someone struggle, you automatically root for

689
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 3: them as an underdog. Why the underdogs so compelling?

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00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 2: You know, we're all just doing our best, yeah, showing up.

691
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: And we are all underdogs.

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00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 3: We know, all of us, literally, every single one of us,

693
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 3: every single one of us. You know, even the CEOs

694
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 3: of the biggest businesses have one point been an underdog.

695
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 3: And they you know a lot of the A list

696
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 3: actors you know will not tell you, but they have

697
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 3: a minute multiple points in their career have had rejection

698
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 3: and have been the underdog and had to fight and

699
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 3: still carry that with them.

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00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 1: So that's just super relatable and I love that about them.

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00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 3: And it's fun that he's kind of the badass of

702
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 3: the show and that he's you know that he's that

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00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 3: he's kind of a rebel. And because I am, in

704
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 3: my own version of myself, Nila will tell you I'm

705
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 3: a bit of a I'm a bit.

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Speaker 1: Of a rebel.

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00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 2: Rebel, Ben Well, I feel very motivated. I love motivation, Ben, Ben,

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00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: I love trust Ben. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean this has really been insightful. This has been

710
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 4: It's also fun for I think it's fun for people

711
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 4: that listen and people like myself that aren't in your industry.

712
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 4: To get to know the people behind the characters. That's

713
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 4: always so fascinating to me. And the depth in which

714
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 4: you all pull from and it's really special and it's

715
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 4: such a gift and a talent.

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Speaker 2: You should be really proud of yourself.

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00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 4: Specifically on November six, y.

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00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: What it is the biggest takeaway to wrap this up

719
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: with the Christmas ring that you want people just to

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00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 2: take with them when they watch the no November six.

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00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 3: On November six, when people leave the theaters. You know,

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00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 3: I think there's something extremely timeless about our show, about

723
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 3: this movie. I think it makes it. It's one of

724
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 3: those warm, fuzzy but also it's not glazed over. There's

725
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 3: real there's real, complex stories and and and questions that

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00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 3: each character has to struggle with.

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00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: But you don't.

728
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 3: You don't leave there feeling it all demoralized or at

729
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 3: all like you've gone through something, but you have and

730
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 3: the fact to do it with It runs themes that

731
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 3: kind of span generations. You can take your grandmother or

732
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 3: your grandpa to this. You can take young kids to this.

733
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 3: Both our kids we're in this movie, but you can

734
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: do you can. It does a lot because it's a

735
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 3: communal experience, and this is definitely one of those things

736
00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 3: that going with people is I think so many there's

737
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 3: so many niche movies anymore, like you superhero movie, Well

738
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 3: it's only really people like Superrio. There's like the rom

739
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 3: com which is just so rom coming. It's hard to

740
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 3: bring your boyfriend to. This is something that like everyone

741
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 3: can enjoy, especially if you're into Christmas movies. You know,

742
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 3: might as well watch the first, might as well watch

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00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 3: the best one first and a November sixth you can

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00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 3: come do that.

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00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: Well, Ben, it has been you know, I've said this

746
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: to you at the end, but you have been my

747
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 2: favorite scene partner to work with. It was just so much,

748
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 2: you know, the best working with you. And I'm excited

749
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: for you to move here. Yes, and we're doing our

750
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 2: couples vacations and all the things since we all get along.

751
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 2: And yeah, so it's great.

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00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 3: Well, thanks for Gemina, You've been an absolute pleasure to

753
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 3: work with.

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00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: And breath of fresh air.

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00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 2: Well he won't say it, but he did write it

756
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 2: in my card that I was his favorite to.

757
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: Getting to that I was supposed to be.

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00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 3: No, I absolutely, it's just been absolute dream and I

759
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of times you work with people

760
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 3: and you have a good rapport, but you don't. You

761
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 3: don't really, you know you have. That's that and it

762
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 3: goes on here into your next thing. But I really

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00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 3: think we're going to be Bessie's for life, right yeah, yeah, all.

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00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 4: Right, all right, well I love you guys. I can't

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Speaker 4: wait to see you and everyone else. November six, Christmas,

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Speaker 4: Thanks Benjamin, thank you,