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Speaker 1: Hey want to welcome in up Degli and you have

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Speaker 1: downloaded all ball. Uh. This is um continued conversation in

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Speaker 1: part two, and I give you some of my other

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Speaker 1: some unbelievable first half of the season storylines, if you will, like,

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Speaker 1: There's also more commentary I'd like to make on the

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Speaker 1: When we last talked with a Golden who was of

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Speaker 1: and now he finally gets his chance to be a

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Speaker 1: and he wasn't the first choice of his own alma mater. Right,

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Speaker 1: Take a listen. This is Joe Golden, the head coach

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Speaker 1: then and then ultimately leaving and getting a UTEP that

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Speaker 1: this is all part of an amazing, amazing journey. Here's

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Speaker 1: part two. So you get the job, Yeah? Is that

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Speaker 1: your alwal water? It's pretty cool? Were they? Were? They

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Speaker 1: what do you have? But Grant have been there two months?

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Speaker 1: What do you have coming? So Grant recruited some players right,

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Speaker 1: I coached Grant's team, UM that first year. Didn't have

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Speaker 1: know Brian Burton. He's done a little social media stuff. Now,

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Speaker 1: I don't know Brian assistant. Yeah, So I'm Brian Burton

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Speaker 1: How much are you making now? So now I'm making

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Speaker 1: about sixty sixty sixty five and you and and you

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Speaker 1: let your wife buy a house, and so we buy

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Speaker 1: this time, man, we're done, right, Doug for UH for

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Speaker 1: fifty or forty years and we're retiring, raising our family.

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Speaker 1: We've made it. She did her job as when when

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Speaker 1: did did you know? They were going to Vision one?

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Speaker 1: So I had always heard about it, um, over that

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Speaker 1: it's the first time the school was ran by a

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Speaker 1: can coach damn good coach. Uh, but we're gonna play

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Speaker 1: Avelene Christian I said, yesterday, and I am. And she said, well,

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Speaker 1: no question, Um what is it? The next the next year,

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Speaker 1: And uh, you know, obviously making the n State Tournament

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00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,399
Speaker 1: was huge, but what normally happens is at that level,

424
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 1: you make the turn, you turn around a program, you're

425
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 1: out right yeah, uh what what what were the jobs

426
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 1: that you turned out? You know what, I really didn't

427
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 1: turn anything down that year. Um, I didn't get involved.

428
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 1: Really nobody knew who the hell we were, Doug, you know,

429
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 1: I mean, we've been so far off, We've never been

430
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,199
Speaker 1: Division one, never else. One just kind of came out

431
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,479
Speaker 1: of left field, right and then my, my, my, what

432
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 1: do you call your career record? I gave up amount

433
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 1: a long time ago. Right, when you go from transition

434
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 1: from from D one or D two to D one,

435
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna get your butt kicks. So, uh, you know,

436
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: my my record at the time was career record was

437
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,880
Speaker 1: probably got awful. You know, it's still ain't great, even

438
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 1: though we've won twenty games like five or six years

439
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 1: in a row. Um, we just got our butt kicks.

440
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 1: For so long. I got involved a little bit with

441
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: the lipscom job in Nashville. Um um, I talked to

442
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: them a little bit from a memory SearchMan correctly. And

443
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 1: then there was one other. I can't think with the

444
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 1: other there might have been a couple, but I didn't

445
00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,119
Speaker 1: really get get get involved in anything. Um so oh

446
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 1: um won a whole lot of movement. I didn't have

447
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 1: a whole lot of movement. Then, so the your last

448
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: team there, Okay, your your last team there? Yeah? Special

449
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: so yes, but the again, first you go to the tournament.

450
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 1: What's that like? Coming back? You know, coming back to

451
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 1: the league, come back, trying to do it again? You

452
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 1: know again. Most coaches lead because it's so you get

453
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 1: more money, but it's so hard to go back and

454
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 1: they made it. What was it like that next year? Yeah?

455
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: It was hard coaching learning Another lesson the coaching ladder

456
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: or learning, uh, coaching one on one is how do

457
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,360
Speaker 1: you coach a team now that's had success, it's never

458
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: had success right now? Now now you're the hunted right

459
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 1: not the hunter you know? And um so so how

460
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: do you coach that? How do you react that we

461
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,479
Speaker 1: lost that core group of seniors that had taken us

462
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: from dead last to the insate termament. They graduated. We

463
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: had a few guys back, um, but they were also different,

464
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,080
Speaker 1: you know, role players at the time. And then and

465
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, we had some guys that we have been

466
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 1: developing that we that we're gonna have to step in.

467
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: And so we actually came back that next year and

468
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: had a hell of a year. We finished in second place,

469
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: uh to Stephen F. Austin. And that was the COVID year.

470
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: So we got down to the tournament and COVID hits. Um,

471
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: so you can't play anything, you know, and then um,

472
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 1: you know you come back to that team you're talking about. Um.

473
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: You know, we had a bunch of guys back. We

474
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,959
Speaker 1: lost Peyton Ricks, who was was probably our best player

475
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: the COVID year, our leading score out of Kansas. Hell

476
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: of a player. Um, we lost him, but we pretty

477
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 1: much brought everybody else back, if my memory serves me correctly.

478
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: So we had a bunch back. We just had lost him, um,

479
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: and we just had a group at that point, Doug.

480
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,719
Speaker 1: We we had the program where we wanted it right.

481
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: It was kind of running itself. You know. We had

482
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: a great culture. Um. You know, our guys defended at

483
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: a high level. They got along, We had great relationships

484
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: with them. They knew how we how we were gonna

485
00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 1: win games. They believe we could win games. Um was

486
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,479
Speaker 1: a huge car. We had completely flipped the program around, right, Um,

487
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: from a program that never thought that would go the

488
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: instate tournament to a program that expects to go the

489
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: instate tournament. Right Um? And that group of special man

490
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: that that group was Yeah, not just because the Texas

491
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: win just all year. I think if you go back

492
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: to the stats, somebody told me a year or two ago, Um,

493
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: right after the season. Um, I mean our margin of

494
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: victory was like twenty something, right bro, Listen, listen, le

495
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: let me just for for people who don't like who

496
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 1: just parachuted in and saw you beat Texas and then

497
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 1: lose to u c l A. Right that I when

498
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: I when I knew you were gonna come on. I

499
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: something recalled by memory, like you won your conference tournament

500
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: championship game by like thirty Yeah. Every other conference tournament

501
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: championship at that level is a you know, ball in

502
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: the air. Anybody can win, right. How many times I

503
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: see Murray State and fucking Belmont, you know, playing double

504
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,479
Speaker 1: and triple overtime. And the worst thing is usually the

505
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: team that doesn't deserve to win wins, you know, or

506
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: the team that doesn't have as good a season. You

507
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: guys won, I mean you you crushed him, Yeah, crushed him. Yeah.

508
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: The other part two, which is interesting is and you

509
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: mentioned Jay Sutin, what a good job he's done, like

510
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: the rise of Abilene Christian is in the same league

511
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: as Hooton has done. He's got a really good team

512
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: this year. And Stephen f was the same time, right

513
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: with Brad, Like this is all going at the same time.

514
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 1: And I know there's a ton of players in the

515
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: state of Texas. I get it. You know that. That's

516
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: probably one of the things that speaks to that's really

517
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 1: hard to be super competitive consistently in the league when

518
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: other programs got it going on. Yeah, no doubt. And

519
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: I remember the first year we went to Vision, when

520
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: you looked at Sam Houston, right, you looked at Saving

521
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: he said, there's no way we could ever get to

522
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: that level, right, no chance? Uh to five? Fast forward

523
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: four or five six years later, Man, we were beating

524
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: those guys consistently, right, um and and and not confessions

525
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: say consistently. I mean, they were beating us too, but

526
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: we were in the games, right, we were beating them

527
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: so um and we were in the games. And it's

528
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: just people, don't. I wish people understood and could live

529
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: a year at the low major life right and understood

530
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: the pressure. Reality show the pressure, no question, it would

531
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 1: be a hell of a reality show. It's just a pressure.

532
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: You played all year for three days in March, right,

533
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: your whole season to and to your point, the best

534
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: team doesn't know most of the time doesn't win, you know,

535
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: like it's just that go by and look, I know

536
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: you won that year you beat and for people, you

537
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: beat Lamar by two, you beat Nicols State in the

538
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: championship game by thirty four. Goddamn, take it easy. But

539
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: the the double bike And sometimes I used to like

540
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: Big twelve Tournament. The year we had to buy. We

541
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: lost the Texas the first game as Pender's last win,

542
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: and then the next two years we had the we

543
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: we didn't have the buy. I like the better because

544
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: you get a game against the shitty team, usually Baylor,

545
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: right man, And I was back with Baylor sh but

546
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: you gotta you got a game kind of under your belt.

547
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: And it wasn't until Sunday if you got we got

548
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: one year, we got the Sunday right that that you

549
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: were tired. But outside that, like bro one game, you know,

550
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: one game against Baylor that's not killing you better than practice.

551
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: And so so you guys did the double bias. That's

552
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: really really so okay? So what what were you like

553
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: as a coach then? And maybe even in the now?

554
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: Really changed? Right, completely changed with that group. Uh years

555
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: before um and and I started coaching on relationships, right,

556
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: I started building real relationships these guys, spending time with him,

557
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: getting to know him off the floor, UM, loving on them,

558
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: having them over to the house. I'm a high energy guy. UM.

559
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: I coached with enthusiasm energy. UM, I don't necessarily mother.

560
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't mother fl them, you know, and

561
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: getting their face and threaten them with their life and

562
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: their scholarship. And that I build relationships. I you know,

563
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: we have a saying we coach you hard in between

564
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: the lines and love you harder outside the lines. Uh,

565
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: just just really built relationships. Got them to build relationships

566
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: with each other, care about each other. UM. You know

567
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: a stat that always used to coach shields used to

568
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: always tell us that like seventy something percent of college

569
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: basketball games and won in the last four minutes or whatever. Um,

570
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: And that always stuck with me in the sense said, Okay,

571
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: so now you're in a one or two or three

572
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: possession game with four minutes to go, who wins that game? Well,

573
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: to me, the easy answer is a team with the

574
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: best players, right, or a team a point guard you

575
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: put the ball in his hands and go win your game.

576
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: But to me, it's always been now a team that

577
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: that has real relationships and believes in each other, right, Like,

578
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: so when you're in that media time out with four

579
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: minutes to go and I'm looking at you, Doug, and

580
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: you and I we got a real relationship, right, it

581
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: means something. We're gonna have a hell of a lot

582
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: better chance to win that game than the other team,

583
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: who you know, they could give two ships about their teammate.

584
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: They just want to know how many points they score, right,

585
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: or how many shots for getting And so we really

586
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: spent time on building the culture and that we also

587
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: had an idea of defense. Um, what was your what

588
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: was your techno? What's your technique for building relations and ship? Kid?

589
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: At the time with him and I meet with him

590
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: in then at nights in the morning at practice. UM,

591
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: I make sure our gas communicate with me, our strength coach,

592
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: to our trainers who they spend time with, what's going

593
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: on in their lives, so I can stay on top

594
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: of it as well. Um, and uh, I've learned this. Man,

595
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: when guys are going through injuries, you know, they're by themselves,

596
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: they're lonely. That's always always a great time to go

597
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: show them, you know that you care about them, not

598
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: just when they're playing the just different times like that,

599
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: just just truly, um, you know, trying to show them

600
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: that I care about them more than basketball. We we

601
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: started doing stuff on road trips when we would take

602
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: him to the beach, uh, you know, or we would

603
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: go have fun, right, or we go do things. UM

604
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: got creative on how we would do basketball stuff. But

605
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: we work hard, duck. I mean you know how we

606
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: played defensively, right, it ain't easy. We get after it. Um,

607
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: we fly around, so we demand a lot on the

608
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: floor from them. Um. But at the same time, UM,

609
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: we just spend a lot of time, a lot of

610
00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: a lot of time on that relationship piece. Man. Um.

611
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: The Texas game, Okay, So it's COVID year. But they

612
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: just came off a big twelve championship, right, and they're good.

613
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: You know they're good. They got pros and they're good.

614
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: And the other part to it that one would think

615
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: would be, uh that of all guys that would know

616
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: that would understand, what's how you guys were playing, it

617
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: would be Shaka, right, it would be undersized guys. Guys

618
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: to get after it really tenacious, Like you would think, like, man,

619
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: that's this is a layup for them, because that's the

620
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: style that he knows. It's not not the Havoc style,

621
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,479
Speaker 1: but in terms of smaller players getting after defensively up

622
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: the line. And yet they just they could never get

623
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: in a rhythm. That was the thing that could. They

624
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: could just never get even when the game was close

625
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: and they probably felt like they should, they would never

626
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: really looked like a well oiled machine. What what do

627
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: you remember about the prep for the game? Yeah? I

628
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: remember getting there, um, and then we we thought we

629
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: thought we were gonna be a thirteen seat honestly, and

630
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: we thought we were gonna draw Oakland State. Um. And

631
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: then we get the fourteen and get Texas, and I

632
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: knew right away the way. Our guys now it was

633
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: COVID were at the hotel. I get it. It It was

634
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: different than being there the first time and had a

635
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: pep rally right in front of like three people, four

636
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: or whatever. It was an avalan the first time. We

637
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: made it. We're in there by ourselves in the ballroom. Um,

638
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: you've been there, man, I mean like, you get it. Man,

639
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: Like Kansas has double ballrooms, triple ballrooms, arkansass across. We're

640
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: in this small little closet. I wouldn't call it a

641
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: damn ballroom. Um. We got our chairs lined up. They

642
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: introduced Texas, and our guys didn't go crazy, right. It

643
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: wasn't a celebration or going nuts or had like. It

644
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: was like business like right. It was like, okay, it's Texas, man,

645
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: let's go Um. I knew. Um. We we introduced our

646
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: our Texas to our players. The next day, I think

647
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: we had a twenty four hour COVID break. After that,

648
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: we couldn't see anybody. We were locked in our rooms

649
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: for twenty four hours. And then we got out. And

650
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: when we got out, when we had the game plan

651
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: obviously at that point ready we convinced our guys that

652
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: Texas Tech had beat him twice and we we had Tech.

653
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: That was the year you and I talked about earlier, Right,

654
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: We had Tech beat Um and so we knew we

655
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,959
Speaker 1: could play with him. Um. You know, we convinced our

656
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: guys and that I thought it was good. In the

657
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: Texas stroying team, we had a few, but not many.

658
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: And that was a good thing too, right, because they

659
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: didn't know who the hell Texas was, right, we can

660
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: we're both because like I remember Decimation used to do,

661
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: he fucking hated Texas. He hated everything about Texas and

662
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: he made himself work. Now, we never won in Austin

663
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: and he would just he to this day like he

664
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: fucking hates it, like you can't talk to him about it. Right, So,

665
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: but some kids are like fuck Texas. You know, I

666
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: grew up in Texas. They don't recruit me. I just

667
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: didn't know if you had any of that. No, we

668
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: might have had a couple trying to think, but it

669
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: wasn't uh uh. It was more our staff right, like

670
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: chip on our shoulder, right, like to what we were

671
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: talking about earlier. Man, this was our opportunity and we

672
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: knew when we put in the first tape to play

673
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: with Texas. We did. Man, Uh, the way they ran

674
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: the ball screens, we knew that they would they would

675
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: move the basketball, but we would fly around, you know,

676
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: on that and that's the kind of game we want.

677
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: We we couldn't have him. I saw us um got

678
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: coming off the Big Twelve championship game. They'd want it.

679
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: That was that That helped us, right, Um with that,

680
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: Um one of the biggest keys was Coleman, their point guard.

681
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: He was obviously really, really good. He got m VP

682
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: of the Big Twelve tournament. His memory Servesman correctly, and

683
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: he but he was an unselfish kid, right. He liked

684
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: to get to everybody involved. He didn't like You could

685
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: tell he didn't like all the attention. So we knew

686
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: earlier he would come out and try to share the

687
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: basketball bunch, right. We thought if he when he ever

688
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: decided to take over and just I saw us in

689
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: the middle of floor one on one, we'd we'd be

690
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: in trouble. And he didn't do that really until about

691
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: the last four or five minutes, you know, Um, and

692
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: we knew as long as they were moving the ball,

693
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: we could fly around and rotate. The question was how

694
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: the hell score, right, Lincoln size until we score enough points. Um.

695
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: You know, we we felt like we could guard it.

696
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 1: Two two was score enough until we rebound the baths ball. Um,

697
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: and then we go down at halftime. Um, but we

698
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: believe huh what say? Yeah? I just said, Hey, the

699
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: games at we wanted we were down like three or four,

700
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: right was right there. I said, Man, we just gotta

701
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: have to eat some shots. Um, you know, we we

702
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: gotta continue to take care of the basketball. This tone

703
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: of voice or more animated. Uh, I was playing more animated. Yeah,

704
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: I mean I again, you know, just trying to get

705
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: them they believed at that point and that they believed

706
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: they could win. But we were all animated and that

707
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 1: we didn't make a whole lot of adjustments. The game

708
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: plan was going to kind of the way we wanted it. Um.

709
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: We got them out that they pressed us early. We

710
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: got them out. We had a plan to attack their press,

711
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: and we aggressive on it. Um, and we got them

712
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: out of the press. Um. So now it became a

713
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: half court game. Um. And you know here some people

714
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: get on us offensively, or they've gotten on me over

715
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: my time. Um, you know about offensively, you know, challenging

716
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: at times and running two games with different So but

717
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: here's what people are when you when you don't have

718
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 1: the players that they have right in the talent NBA,

719
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: you got us slow the game down. Right. Uh, If

720
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: I'm the head coach of Texas one day and I'm

721
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: coaching all Americans and McDonald, I'm gonna run into you

722
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: want to play? This has been like this has honestly

723
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: been my thing with coaching with like Syracuse, right is

724
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: how they play defensively, playing a two three zone. It

725
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: allows the other team to determine the pace of the game.

726
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: Hold the ball against his own you can not hold

727
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: the whatever you want. And they point is that I've

728
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 1: tried to talk to like I tried to talk to

729
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: Church Baham like he has a good press and he's

730
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: at times he's had a good team, not this year,

731
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, but he had a good

732
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: team for pressing. But the only panic press when they're

733
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: down like fifteen late, right, Like, hey man, you need

734
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: to force your will put play some And it's the

735
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: same idea from the better of the team. The more

736
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: possessions you want because you've got better players, the more

737
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: stronger like that, that that is a winning The worst of team.

738
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: The slower you play, you control the game, you know,

739
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: you make them think about it. And that's really what happened,

740
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: is that you've got into it. You got him into

741
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: a dog fight, and they want to know. Part where

742
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: your guys are like this is when did you when

743
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: did you know? You remember? Looking up again? I knew

744
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: right when we put in the game tage or that

745
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: we could play with him. I knew about the the

746
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: ten minute mark of the game in the second half

747
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: and we had to lead. Um, I don't remember, Doug,

748
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: it's say six seven, you know. We we had stressed

749
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: that maybe memory Seargeman correctly up to eight. At one

750
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: time I called, I told our guys, we gotta get

751
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: to the four minute mark, right, If we get to

752
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: the four minute TV time out, all the pressure will

753
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: be on them, um, you know. And then were and

754
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: then we're gonna go. We're gonna play. But I we

755
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: went to our delay game about the ten minute mark

756
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: just to get to the four minute mark, right, Um,

757
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: And we probably went to the delay game too quick, right. Um.

758
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: That's one of regret I have a little bit on

759
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: it is we probably should should have kind of continued

760
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: on a little bit that's out old Texas High School

761
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: of Basketball, no shot clock bullshit you were trying to do.

762
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: At this point, I was like, man, we're gonna get

763
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: to the four minute market, a chance to beat Texas, right, um.

764
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: And so the delay game and we quit scoring. Um,

765
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: and so they get back in and but we still

766
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: had to lead. We're still controlling it, um, and we

767
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: believe know and uh at the four minute market and

768
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: we told we'd be told a story back the day

769
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: about me being at the casino with Brett Tanner, our assistant,

770
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: and I like to have a few cocktails at the

771
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: casino and that get helps by gambling, right, courageous gambler. Uh.

772
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: And I've I've got my butt kicked a few times.

773
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: And so I got my butt kicked on the roulette

774
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 1: table crafts table. I try to go get my button

775
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: money at the roulette table back and uh, you always

776
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: been on black, right. So I gave my money. The

777
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: Brett had been holding like two hundred dollars for me

778
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: to make sure I had enough money to get home.

779
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,959
Speaker 1: And I said, hey, you put all that money on black,

780
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn around and walk around. I'm not gonna

781
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: watch it. And and Tanner didn't. Man, Tanner only put

782
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: half my money on black and it hit Black, right,

783
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: So I gave Tanner. I was pissed about Tresa. You

784
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: should have bet two hundred bucks. You only bet a hundred.

785
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: Then you didn't have confidence, you didn't believe. So the

786
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: whole week we're telling them the story. So at the

787
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: four minute media, I said, boys, we're putting it all

788
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: on Black now. Man, screw Brett Tanner right and all everybody.

789
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: And they loved it. They started laughing and kind of

790
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: broke could broke it up a little bit. And the

791
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 1: pressure and um, we we we played it perfect, man

792
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: to the bone. We turned it over twice. We got

793
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: a five second count, and we turned it over late

794
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: in the backcourt, which allowed them to get back in it.

795
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: And then and then it's like Andrew Jones hits the three,

796
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: and then like it, it hits you in your mind. Man,

797
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, dude, like Texas is gonna beat us.

798
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: Andrew Jones hit the three. He deserves you, right, he

799
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: just beat cancer for God's sake. Right, It's the hell

800
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: of a story, dude, Like you know, I mean, that's

801
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 1: that's shot supposed to go in right, I mean, and

802
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: and you're almost somewhat happy for him, right, like for

803
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: all the what the kids been through. Um, And then

804
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: it's our ball. So now we're down one for the

805
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: first time and literally probably twelve minutes. Right, we've been

806
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 1: controlling the game. You would think the team would say, Okay,

807
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: it's over, right, I mean, we had it and we

808
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: screwed it up. And UM, we've been working on this

809
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 1: play and I think we called Kansas for pistol. We've

810
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: been working on it all year, UM as a late

811
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: game play, UM, and how much time? So there's like

812
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: I want to say, ten ten seconds twelves from there.

813
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: So we had to play put in. UM. But it

814
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: was the wrong play to run against Texas because they

815
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: bought some ball screens and some crackbacks, so we knew

816
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: they would switch everything right, Uh, and we had a

817
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: small point guard and it wasn't gonna work, and so

818
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: we drew up another play. And then the guys looked

819
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: at me the time out like I was crazy. They're like,

820
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: coach Man, we've been working on Kansas or pistol. I

821
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: think it's pistol. We've been working on pistol all year.

822
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna run pistol. And so you know, something goes back.

823
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: And you learned this in coaching and way back in

824
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: the day. You trust your players, right at some point

825
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: in time, right, Um, And so I was like, you,

826
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: damn right, We're gonna run pistol. What the hell was

827
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: I thinking? Right, We've been working on all year for

828
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: this moment, let's go run pistol. And uh again, wrong

829
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: play for probably the that moment that we run pistol,

830
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: they switch everything. We can't throw it back on the

831
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: crack back and Reggie Miller, our point guards stuck on

832
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: a lottery pick, you know, on the lottery picks seven

833
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: foot tall. Reggie's like five ten. Um goes in there

834
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: and throws it up on the rim and Joe Pleasant

835
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: goes and gets the rebound and gets foul. Right, so

836
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: the play worked. You know, don't believe belief in your

837
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: players and and and having your players belief in something,

838
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: and um, you know we're no different than how you

839
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: were coaching. You know, you get a shut up on

840
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: a ram and you sitting five guys to glass right

841
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: at that point, Um, any any shutting one oh one

842
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: hers shot doesn't beat you. The second shot always does

843
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: and and and you hear it and you coach it,

844
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: and it happened. And then you got Joe. And Joe

845
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: was like a low sixties free throw shooter. Um, but

846
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: I knew those were going in right. And wait, so

847
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: you're sick you're standing there? Okay, it's an empty, empty arena, right, Um?

848
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: You remember you do you think you're praying, you're saying

849
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: something of yourself? Are you looking? You're not looking to

850
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: our point? Earlier? The ref called it and I was actually,

851
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it was a foul, right, it

852
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: was a foul, And I was glad the ref called

853
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: it because they didn't call it at Uh we played

854
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: tech right offensive at Techi offensive. Yeah, those ships, no doubt.

855
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: But and then I really knew he was gonna make him. Man,

856
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: Joe Pleastant was a heart, heart working, one of the

857
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: hardest working, if not one of the the hardest working guy.

858
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: So he came from Blue Valley Northwest High School in Kansas,

859
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: unbelievable powerhouse. Um had a hell of a high school coach. Um,

860
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 1: damn good high school coach. Was coach really really well

861
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: and again nobody was a creem evaluation man. And then

862
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: Joe just developed man, and and Joe came from his

863
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: freshman year. We didn't play a bunch to a software year,

864
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 1: played a little bit to a first team All League

865
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: player as a senior. And um, I just knew how

866
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: much how hard he worked. Um he spent time on

867
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: his craft. I just knew those were going in, you know,

868
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: I knew him. And uh, he made the first one,

869
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: and then and then the second one goes in, and

870
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: obviously they called time out and they got the ball

871
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: full court. Um, and they throw it in and we

872
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: win the game, and of course we go we lose her.

873
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: My funny, great, great story. And I lose my mind

874
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 1: for like five seconds time. I mean, you know, Beard

875
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: beat Per new he wouldn't kiss the n c A logo.

876
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 1: I didn't go that crazy. I jumped up and down

877
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: and hugged on in her and I was running over

878
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: to see my wife and the fans up in the

879
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: we played the football stateup so held their way up

880
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: there right, um, And I lose my mind for like

881
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: five seconds, and then I realized, damn, I gotta go

882
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: shake Shock his hand right a little freaking respect. And

883
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: I'll say this, man, I'll never will forget this and

884
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: the lesson I learned because it will happen to all

885
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: of us, have we coach long enough. Uh, Shack has

886
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: stayed around. He was waiting for me at half court,

887
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,720
Speaker 1: and he shook my hand and told me as the shockun,

888
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry man, I lost my mind and said, no,

889
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: you should lose your mind. I lost my mind about

890
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: six years ago at VCU. Right. Enjoy the moment, man,

891
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: It's an unbelievable story. I've been there, I lived it.

892
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: I wish you the best of luck. Man. You guys

893
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: deserve to win. And I what what the ultimate compliment

894
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: and respect for a coach? Right well, probably one of

895
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: his toughest defeats of his career, it would have been

896
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: easy for him to follow his team to the locker room,

897
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: right Uh. And he stayed around, uh to say those things,

898
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: and he shaked my hand and I don't know, shock up.

899
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 1: We haven't spoken since that game, um, but I've got

900
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: the utmost respect for him. And I learned a lot

901
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: about coaching use because again, if we're gonna coach long enough,

902
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: that's going to happened to me someday, right, And I

903
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: hope I learned a lesson from Shaka and I'm there

904
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: to congratulate, you know, a young coach on on a

905
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: career win like that. Beard goes to Texas And I'm

906
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: sure you've thought about this in the past couple of

907
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: the past week because Algie goes with him. He was

908
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: a head coach, right, all those guys were head coaches. Yeah,

909
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 1: I'm sure he asked you. What was the conversation, like, yeah,

910
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: tough time in my career, right, because you've got a

911
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: lot going on. Do you know, do you go to Texas?

912
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: Do you know, as an assistant again, which you haven't

913
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: been an assistant a long time. Do you, um, stay

914
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: at Avelen Christian a program you've built so much, you know,

915
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: equity in and blood, sweat and tears building it to

916
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: that point, um? Or do you get involved in the

917
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: job market a little bit? I I actually switched agents

918
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: that night of the wind um. I uh, you know

919
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: obviously got to know Brad Underwood really well, and oh yeah,

920
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: that's amazing. You get back to Hotell, you like you're fired, Brent,

921
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: just contract act. She was up with my other agent

922
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: and so and then that was hard for me because

923
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm a loyal person and that agent had been with

924
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: me when I was nobody right, Um, but my contract

925
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: had actually expired and so, um, I was really didn't

926
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: have an agent. Um and uh, but I did call

927
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: him and told him that I was gonna switch. I

928
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: don't yeah, I don't know who. The guy has just managed.

929
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: The guys guys watching the game, going yes, we're gonna

930
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: get paid finally, finally been I've been on this mule

931
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: damn years. And the next guys like, way to go,

932
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: can you guys says I'm gonna call this school, and yeah,

933
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: I listen, we got to talk. One of the one

934
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: of the hardest things I ever had to do was

935
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: called called my my path. The agent had been with me.

936
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: Um it was hard, you know, phone with all are

937
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: like that are never fun um awful, but but but

938
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 1: you know, um so so I mean, how how much

939
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: did you think about the beard thing? Yeah? Not much, honestly.

940
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 1: I mean we just felt like, uh, you know the time,

941
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: it wasn't right now, and and I I convinced myself

942
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: at this time I wanted to be a head coach,

943
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: right and I wanted to climb the ladder and I

944
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: could do it, and um, you know, to be really honest,

945
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: with you. I want to go out right to kick beards.

946
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: But you know, uh, you know beside your wife's like,

947
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: we're an that believe Christian were good. When moving, wife

948
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: like was like, yeah, let's stay here. We can coach

949
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: here forever. And you know there are a lot of

950
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: momentum athlete Chris. At that time, we just built are

951
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: they just built a fifty sixty million dollar brand new

952
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: basketball here here. I mean, here's the story. Six You know,

953
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: they didn't care about basketball, and then six years later

954
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: they're building a sixty million dollar arena. Right. Um, so

955
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: they're building a new back basketball arena, a new practice facility. Um. Unbelievable.

956
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: President Um that that cared about basketball, was gonna take

957
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: care of my family, myself, my staff, that they were

958
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 1: gonna give us an incredible deal there at Avelene Christian

959
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: to State. Um. But then the job market head and

960
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 1: some jobs opened up. And obviously when when he took Rodney, Um,

961
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: you know this job, I knew it was gonna open up. Um.

962
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: You know I kind of knew Rodney was leaving before

963
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people, you know, with my relationship of

964
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: Beard and and being involved in it, and um, it

965
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: just made a lot of sense, man, you know, I mean,

966
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: I'm from Texas. You tap at the time. Man. If

967
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: people people don't know you tap, people have forgotten about it. Man.

968
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: But you know, there was a point in time where

969
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: Billy Gillespie, Doc Sather, and Tony Barbie, uh came through

970
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: here and it was one of the best mid major

971
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: jobs in the program, you know. I mean when when

972
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: he had Philly Rivera. I did a bunch of their games.

973
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: They were they were damn good, really really good, damn

974
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: good and good good basketball fans, you know, greats. They

975
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 1: care about batball. Uh. You know Tim Floyd came after Barbie.

976
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: You don't just uh it's a basketball Um that they care.

977
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 1: They care about basketball. I mean we still put eight

978
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: or nine thousand in our games right now, you know. Um,

979
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: and we're not winning at the level that we you know,

980
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: to to have that, to be honest with you, we're

981
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: building this program back. But um that they care, they

982
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: love basketball, and UM. You know, there was obviously a

983
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: lot of good candidates for the job, but we were

984
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: fortunate and lucky to get offered the job. And then

985
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: I've never done this before, Doug, you know, because you

986
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: go back to the first time with the h U job,

987
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: I was the second guy. And then you know they

988
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 1: hired Grant first and no president and here we are, uh,

989
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, we get the job offering. You gotta make

990
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: a decision quickly, right, Um do you state Abilene or

991
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: or do you get on the jet? And the next

992
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: morning and had to to El Paso and and become

993
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: the head coach at you TEP and so UM, you

994
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: know a lot of conversations with my wife and I

995
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: and and um you know, obviously our kids. We got

996
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: them involved a little bit they were young, but um,

997
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: and then just made a family decision that we were

998
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: gonna chase the dream, right Um. UTEP was a great

999
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: basketball job, and we wanted to coach at a place

1000
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: that cared about basketball, and we thought it was a

1001
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: great opportunity to build a program back. Um and just

1002
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: uh you know, decided that it was time to leave Abilene,

1003
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: get out of our comfort zone a little bit and

1004
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: and try to climb the ladder. What should like to

1005
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: tell the kids? Tell the players? Uh, the hardest thing

1006
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: was telling the players. It was hard. Jeff Goodman and

1007
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: and UM a couple others. I think we're close to

1008
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: breaking it and I knew it and and but we

1009
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: hadn't signed. Again. I've never been through this man. But

1010
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: like they offered me the the the years and the job. Uh. Um.

1011
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: I was ready to sign right, but then lawyers get involved,

1012
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: right and agents get involved, and it takes time. Um

1013
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 1: and and I didn't want it to get out without

1014
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: my players knowing, so I said, screw it, man I

1015
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: I I knew it was about to get out. So

1016
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: I went and met with our president and just thanked him. Um.

1017
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: And of course it wasn't a fun conversation. He continued

1018
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: to work on me to stay there, but I knew

1019
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: it was time to go. Um. I went and told

1020
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 1: my a d and then I called a team meeting

1021
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: and a lot of tears. Man. You know, to be

1022
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: quite honest with you man, very very emotional. Um. But

1023
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: also challenged them and to to get Brett Tayner the

1024
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: head job who was our assistant coach. Um. I stuck

1025
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 1: to my word, man, I I we had a heart

1026
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: to heart, We cried, we laughed. Um. I told him

1027
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: to to you know, support Brett for the job. And

1028
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: then I told him I wasn't taking any of them

1029
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: with me in the portal. You know, they were they

1030
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: were all gonna stay here with Brett because I wanted

1031
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: Brett to have success right year one. I didn't want

1032
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: to take the whole team and make Brett start over. Um,

1033
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: And so just made it non negotiable right then that

1034
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: we weren't gonna have any conversations about they were gonna

1035
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: stay at Abilene and I was gonna move on. And UM,

1036
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: it was tough, man, really really hard um to tell them. Um,

1037
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: you know that in the COVID deal, we're probably the

1038
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: two toughest times in coaching. Right. The COVID year was

1039
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 1: tough because those seniors couldn't put on the jersey. You know,

1040
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: usually you lose the game, right your last time with

1041
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 1: the jersey on, and it's it's it's it's okay, you lost, right, Um,

1042
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: you get you at least got to play the game.

1043
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: But the COVID year, we didn't get to play a game, right.

1044
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: Those senior season was just over without a game. And

1045
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: that was really really hard, that team meeting, um, and

1046
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: then this one when I left to go to Utah.

1047
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: But I wanted them to hear from me. I didn't

1048
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: want them to hear on on Twitter or here on

1049
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: the internet. I wanted them to hear from me, And

1050
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: of course my agent was told me not to do it,

1051
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: um and saying, you can't do that, you can't but

1052
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: uh in the in the a d here at Utah

1053
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 1: really didn't want me to do that, but I wasn't

1054
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: gonna have it any other way. Right, those guys were

1055
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: family and we built real relationships, and they were gonna

1056
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 1: hear from me. But I also think they were happy

1057
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 1: for me, right at the same time, they knew what

1058
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: we've gone through and what we've built there, and so

1059
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 1: I think they were happy for me to have the

1060
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: opportunities go in the same league. You know, it's not

1061
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: like it's definitely not a lateral move. A very different,

1062
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: very different job though, right, I mean to go to

1063
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: completely different, small private school to go into a gigantic

1064
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: public institution that is borders Mexico. And you know, English

1065
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: is the second language in many parts of El Paso,

1066
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: and I like El Paso. I dig I dig h

1067
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: and age car wash and the whole vibe of the

1068
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: place school, but it is a gig I mean, you're

1069
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: you're going to a completely different So for them it

1070
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: had to be you know, obviously there's a financial aspect

1071
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: to it and just a different league, so they you know,

1072
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: they can't really see it and feel it. Um what

1073
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: what now? You've You've done this a bunch in terms

1074
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 1: of moving and changing and um, what is it like though?

1075
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: To leave Abilene a third time? It feels like that's

1076
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: the last last. Yeah, So it was hard, you know,

1077
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: and I haven't been back, um and and uh a

1078
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: little bit. I just had to separate from it, right. Um.

1079
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: You know, they had all the twities to go back

1080
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: and see some friends, and there's time when you can.

1081
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: But my family almost went back the other night when

1082
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: you were driving. When I did go through, actually I

1083
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: went through Avelen. Yeah, I went through up the highway,

1084
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: but I didn't stop. Um, And even that's gotta be weird.

1085
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 1: Al it's weird. Yeah, I drove through and I looked

1086
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: around and there's different buildings, right, even since I've been

1087
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: gone on almost a year and a half. There was

1088
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: a couple of new hotels and but yeah, I was

1089
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: weird driving through. And uh. The irony of it is

1090
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: when you turn off to go to our house on

1091
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: the Loop and Aveline, there's a sign that says al

1092
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: Passo right there. So I drove past that sign for

1093
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: ten years, right and never even thought about it, right

1094
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: and then here and then this time when I drove

1095
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: past it, I thought about it, right, like we're going

1096
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 1: to We're going back to our new home. But um, yeah,

1097
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 1: it's been I've had to completely separate myself. I love

1098
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: Avelen Christian, right, I mean I was there to your

1099
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: point three times. I spent Avilen Christian took me from

1100
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: a little boy to a man man, to be quite

1101
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: honest with you, right, I got through an eighteen and

1102
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: left when I was forty forty five, forty you know,

1103
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: forty five, So um, you know it raised me. I

1104
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 1: will always love Avid and Christian. I'm forever in debt

1105
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: to Avling Christian and the opportunity that gave me. Um,

1106
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: I'm proud of what we did there. There'll be a

1107
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: time to go back, you know, one day and and um,

1108
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: you know, celebrate all that. We got a lot of

1109
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 1: great players that will get put in the Hall of Fame. Um,

1110
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun to go back, um and tell

1111
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: those stories. But I just had to completely separate myself,

1112
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: right and and and get away from it because otherwise

1113
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: it would be too difficult. How did your team this year?

1114
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: I like our team, man, you know, we we lost

1115
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: ten guys off the portal. Um. You know, Sue A.

1116
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: Boom is a savior now really really yeah, Kante Emphis

1117
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: Titus is at Northwestern um JB being and our point

1118
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: guard went pro. So we we we we lost some

1119
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: really good players. We started completely over. But you know

1120
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: we're eight and four. We lost a tough game to

1121
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: Kent State the other night at one point game. Kent

1122
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 1: State is really good in state. They win a game.

1123
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: So we're getting better, man, we're getting tougher. Um, we're

1124
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 1: starting to figure each other out. We just played the conference.

1125
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: Roo say, Doug might it's a really good league. It

1126
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:07,919
Speaker 1: might be as good as it's ever been. They say,

1127
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: you know, it's just it's just really really good basketball

1128
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: teams here, and the good teams are leaving to go

1129
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: to the American you know which they're they're loading up. Um,

1130
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,919
Speaker 1: what is what is it like? Like Beard, when I've

1131
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: talked to him about it, he's like, look, I did

1132
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: I was in the a B A I played in

1133
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: the a BA, so I know what he's talking about.

1134
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: He's like minor league basketball, really you know, prepares you

1135
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: for this in terms of in terms of your your

1136
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: roster turnover. Yeah, but what's that like for you to

1137
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: have a roster turnover where you got ten new dudes. Yeah,

1138
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: it's really different from me because I didn't really spend

1139
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: a whole lot of time in Ico like those guys did.

1140
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: Um and I didn't have the roster turn we built

1141
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 1: habling Christian development players. Right, can you can you still

1142
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 1: do it? I'm gonna say yes, you know, but but

1143
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: but uh it's difficult, doug right, Like, and I think

1144
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 1: it's like I think there's gonna be some coaches out

1145
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: there now. They're gonna get branded when they're when their

1146
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: guys leave, and they're gonna be like, well, he didn't

1147
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: have a relationship with him right here, he he they

1148
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: didn't like him, And then you're gonna have guys that, uh,

1149
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: you know, you have relationships like sue a boom uh

1150
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: sul boom. And I became really really close last year. Man.

1151
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: His car was in my parking lot for two months, uh,

1152
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: in my in in my driveway because it quit working

1153
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: when he was at his avier, right, I mean I

1154
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: was taking care of him. Right, we still talk. Uh

1155
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: we still it was probably that's probably DNS a violation too,

1156
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: but um, you know we we we talked life and

1157
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: I'm so I'm happy for him, Doug. Right, like he

1158
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: graduated from you temp, he had a hell of a

1159
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: career here. He helped me in year one win twenty games.

1160
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: I would like to think we helped him a little bit,

1161
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: you know, defensively and made him tougher. Um, but he

1162
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to go make some and I owe money,

1163
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: go play in the Big East, and go play on

1164
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: national television every night, and go prove himself against the best. Right. Um.

1165
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: I supported that a right. Um. I was proud for him.

1166
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: I'm happy for him, and so some other people outside

1167
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: I think, oh, well sul Boom didn't want to play

1168
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: for Joe, But that had nothing to do with it,

1169
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 1: right uh. Um, we have a real relationship. I care

1170
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: for the kid. He had a great opportunity not supporting

1171
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: you know, um, And so that that's what's tough at

1172
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,240
Speaker 1: this level is I think, you know, we're gonna develop

1173
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: kids and then they're gonna have opportunities because at the

1174
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: end of the day, Um, we're gonna have some n

1175
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: I O money here at you Tap. We've got some

1176
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: great boosters and donors and and some great companies here

1177
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 1: in town that want to help our kids. Um. And

1178
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: and so we're gonna have some opportunities. Um uh we

1179
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: just started some things, but we're never gonna have power five, right.

1180
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: I mean that that it is what it is. And

1181
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: so UM, I think you can develop them. I think

1182
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: there's certain kids that will stay at this level and

1183
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: continue to have success. I think there's other kids that

1184
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: want to go chase it and go to go to

1185
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: a higher level. I think every story, every kid is

1186
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,439
Speaker 1: gonna be different. It's definitely gonna be tougher to build

1187
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 1: teams like that. Um. The one part that I it's

1188
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: exhausting for me is um, you know again we're relationship builders, right,

1189
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: and so you like to have five or six guys

1190
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: because sometimes we coach these kids on the relationship piece

1191
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: and they're like coach, they don't believe it's the first

1192
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: couple of months, right, they think you're fake, right, you're

1193
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: full ship, you're just doing it, you know, Uh, play

1194
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: a game with them. But then they realize it's real

1195
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: when you have five or six or seven or eight

1196
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: guys back, they can tell those other guys that it's real, right,

1197
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: But when you don't have got ten new guys, it

1198
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: makes it really difficult to do. So the relationship piece

1199
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: is hard, um because you know, you gotta build it

1200
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: quick over the summer and the fall. Um. That's so

1201
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: I think we're all having to adjust to that. And

1202
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: then uh, you know, just taking a team of of

1203
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: guys and and and molding them, you know, into a

1204
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: team really really quickly. Um is challenging as well. How's

1205
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: your Spanish? It's game better, getting better. I'll tell you

1206
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: what though, man, I mean, there's Doug. I say this

1207
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: all the time, and they ain't no bullshit, man Like,

1208
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: I love this place, man Like, they're they're the nicest

1209
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: people out here right Like Like it's because they're out

1210
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: here and they want people to love this place, right

1211
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: because they want you to leave one day people not

1212
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: just I'm talking about me as a coach, but residents

1213
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: and to leaving and talk good about this place. Right

1214
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: So that unbelievably well, to mean, the food is great,

1215
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: they sport basketball, They support my family. It is funny

1216
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: though that I'm sure growing up in Texas you thought Texas.

1217
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: Mex was Mexican food forever. Then then you get them

1218
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: passed like, yeah, no, that's not at all how we

1219
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: do it. Oh and I thought I grew up in

1220
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: West Texas, right, because I grew up in Midland. We

1221
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: call West Texas. If you grew up in Middland, you're

1222
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: from West Texas. Even in Avle and we said, we're

1223
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: in West Texas, and people out here like, bullshit, this

1224
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,479
Speaker 1: is West Texas, right, This is as far as west

1225
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: as you get. So now I'm truly in West Texas

1226
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: right now, man. And um, it's just great people. Man

1227
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: that they they uh again, the supports unbelievable. Uh. That

1228
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: they love defense out here, right they the coach Haskins sale,

1229
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: the toughness, that's how these people are out here. They

1230
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: have a chip on their shoulder. And and we're getting

1231
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: a team like that. They they're really starting to like

1232
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: watch play and support and they know good basketball. It's

1233
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: kind of a Coach Sutton teams o Clova State. They

1234
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: knew when y'all, when y'all played good, They knew when

1235
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: you played that, right, I mean they get they get

1236
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: back basketball, and um, it's fun to be in a

1237
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: place like that. Um. Okay, last couple of things. I

1238
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: you've been incredible with your time our Southland players because

1239
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: you're close with all those coaches. Are they off limiting

1240
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: the portal to you portal? Yeah? Yeah, the honeymoon's over now. Man,

1241
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: it's uh. Um favorite random Jim arena that you've coached him.

1242
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: Oh wow. Virgin Islands the exhibition tour. That's prettiest place

1243
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: I've ever been, Man, Virgin Islands. Uh, horrible basketball, but

1244
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 1: incredible place. Uh, I like it. We played the Dow

1245
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: Little We played at the Doolittle Rex Center when we

1246
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: were D two at h U. When you go back

1247
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: to Vegas one day, man, go by the doo little

1248
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: Rex Center. Man, you got a swimming pool on one

1249
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: side and the Rex Center. And that was one of

1250
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: the best D two tournaments in the country because you

1251
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: could go to Vegas all you guys. You guys were

1252
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: playing in the MGM back of the day. We were

1253
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: playing the doo Little Rex Center. Man. Didn't who played

1254
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 1: at the rec Center when they're redoing their gym was

1255
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: the TCU. I think they played Bablin Christian. We played

1256
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: in the tennis courts to take tennis courts the last

1257
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: three years, whether they were doing our gym Oh yeah, bro,

1258
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: when you guys went to the Nst Turn and b Texas,

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Speaker 1: ye're playing? We played. We played in the indoor tennis

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Speaker 1: court that we put down a floor in the indoor

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Speaker 1: tennis court. That's where we played our home games last

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Speaker 1: two years. As true story, man, that's amazing. It's said

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Speaker 1: like eight people. I think, Uh, do you take a

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01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: difer during the games? No, but I will get one

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Speaker 1: at half time, A quick ye at half time. Man,

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Speaker 1: I'll get me a quick year at halftime. Um, but no,

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Speaker 1: I don't wants to go to Copenhagen stuff. Man, Unfortunately,

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01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: what did you do? Like, I gotta think your life.

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01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever asked bear at this. You

1270
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: guys are such ball guys. What do you do during COVID?

1271
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Speaker 1: We took a road trip. Deer Noggie and I um

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01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: went down to the Frio River um and and spend

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01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: a week. Um so so we did that. My wife

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Speaker 1: and I h what was that? What was the concerts? Bathe?

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01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: Casey Donna Hue, a Texas country singwriter, did some uh

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01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: he did some YouTube concerts that we would all have

1277
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: a couple of booze in the backyard, and um did dad, Um,

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01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: I went stir crazy. To be honest with you, I know,

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01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: I don't know how. I don't know how, you guys,

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01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: I went crazy. But the positive looking back was I

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Speaker 1: try to be intentional and I'm sure your dad was

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01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: with you. Um you learn, like you know with the kids.

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01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: I know how you are as a dad. You're a

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01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 1: great dad. And you know I talked about it, but uh, yeah,

1285
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: I got to spend some time right with the wife

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01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: and kids. But wife, it honestly helped me because after all,

1287
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: my wife's like, go back and coach basketball. I'm tired

1288
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: of you being at home all the time. Right, Like,

1289
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: did you ever tell you you were right for taking

1290
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: that job in Juco to make no money? She ever said, Hey, no,

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01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: she'll never They can't ever let you have that. He'll

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01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: never go back. That's part. That's part of the they

1293
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: can't ever let you have that. They can't ever go like,

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01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 1: hey remember that time, like you were right, this is

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01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: a good life. I was, I'll never she'll never let

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Speaker 1: me go. Yeah, she'll never let me win that one. Nope.

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01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: Uh what is the you tap like hand gesture? Because

1298
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: and you can't go like this. That's hal that's the

1299
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: road runners. Yes, we're we're we turned it the other way.

1300
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like Tanglus turned the other way. Yeah, yeah,

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01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 1: I guess it's a maybe if I might be wrong

1302
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: on that, but uh, we're the miners, so it's the

1303
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 1: pick acts. I don't know. I hope I'm right on

1304
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: that bit here. A year and a half now, I

1305
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 1: don't know that. Um, all right, Uh, very last thing.

1306
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: In ten years, Joe Gold will be where doing what.

1307
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: I hope I'm coaching somewhere right um, because I love coaching.

1308
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: I love being around kids. Um, I love competing. Um.

1309
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 1: But so I hope I'm coaching it somewhere. And obviously

1310
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: the ultimate goal is to play for national championship, right

1311
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: to play on the Monday night. Um. That that's the dream,

1312
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: and that's the gold and and and uh um, you know,

1313
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: and it's obviously tough to do with Avelan Christian. It's

1314
01:02:58,280 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: tough to do in today's world at you tap, but

1315
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 1: we're to continue to try to try to you know, um,

1316
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: try to get there. That's been all a goal, you know,

1317
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: Beard and I had that on a napkin Doug years

1318
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: ago man Um in an old dive bar. Man we

1319
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: put down some life goals in a napkin, and think

1320
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: beer still has a napkin. But one was to play

1321
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: on the last Monday night, and you know, we had

1322
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: the opportunity to watch him do it at Texas Tech

1323
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: and and one of the hard another hard night of

1324
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: mine was when they lost and we stayed up all

1325
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: night with him Um and obviously what a tough game

1326
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: right against Virginia and over time you're so close, but

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01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: he got you know, he played on Monday night, and

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01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: I would I would love the opportunity to play on

1329
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: Monday night as well. What was the dive bar? I

1330
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: think it was the Poodle Lounge in Austin, Texas, and

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01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 1: it's called the Poodle Lounge. They had free rice and

1332
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: beans on Sunday. We used to work at camp and

1333
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 1: round Rock and we were always looking for free meals

1334
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: and there was it was a rooster ship Sunday. It

1335
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 1: was with Jenny's Jenny's Saloon or Jenny's Lounge, and there

1336
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: they had they they every Sunday. They'd have live music,

1337
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: usually was Dale Watson and they would put a cover

1338
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: over the pool table of hundred numbers, a hundred squares

1339
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: with a cage on top of everybody been on a

1340
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: square for a buck. They put the rooster in there

1341
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 1: and whatever numbers, you know, you get money you bet

1342
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: on a number. So we would play that for like

1343
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 1: three or four hours, and then we would go across

1344
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: the street down the block or two to the Poodle

1345
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: Lounge and eat rice and beans and uh have a

1346
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: That was our Sunday at Round Rock, all right. Actually

1347
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: I love to have one more. Alright. So Austin used

1348
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: to be the coolest place in Texas, right and I agree,

1349
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 1: I mean it's and it's still cool, but there's so

1350
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: many California racings like myself moving in there. It ain't

1351
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: in corporate. It's stiff, it ain't. It ain't like it

1352
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: used to be. It ain't the same Austin. Okay, So

1353
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 1: give me the give me the place that only Texas

1354
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: guys know, like you gotta do this. This is a

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01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: great place in Austin, Texas. In Texas Frio Rivers obviously,

1356
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, close to my heart. We always took the

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01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 1: river trips um you know, and and beer started that

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01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 1: years ago with a bunch of people. But there's a

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01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:00,439
Speaker 1: small group of us that started go on the Frio

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01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: River on Labor Day and then and then it involved

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01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: to a bunch of coaches and it turned into a big, big,

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01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 1: big deal, which is where we built a lot of

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01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: relationships and networked. Uh. So the Frio River has always

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01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: been there. Um. Wait, so when you go to the

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01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: Frio River, you go like you camp in a motel

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01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: and what do you do? We camp? We camp intense,

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01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: We don't we don't shower. Uh. It's three day basically retreat. Uh.

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01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 1: We were drink some cold beer. Um, and we get

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01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,919
Speaker 1: around a campfire. Cliff Carroll, who's the coach at Mary

1370
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,959
Speaker 1: Harden Baylor was that was a manager for Beer to Tech.

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01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 1: He does all the cooking for us. Um. And we

1372
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: hang around and we you just hang out and fisher

1373
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 1: and that's it. In the morning, we get up and

1374
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: eat breakfast and then we we we go get our

1375
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: inner tubes and we float the river all day and

1376
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: drink some beer and tell stories and catch up. And

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01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 1: then we we have some rat bologna sandwiches that we

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01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: eat halfway down the river. Um. And then when we

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01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 1: get back to the camp side at night. Uh uh,

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01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 1: we Uh, Cliff, Carol, what have dinner ready for us?

1381
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 1: And we eat dinner and then we we we tell

1382
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: some stories and the Gary P. Nunn always plays on

1383
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 1: Labor Day, so we always go to the Gary p

1384
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 1: Nun concert. But Aggie got us kicked out of the

1385
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: camp ground our last year there. Uh and that shouldn't

1386
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:21,919
Speaker 1: surprise you. Um and so hell if I know, man,

1387
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: he did something and pissed the guy off that ran it.

1388
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: Um and and funny story as um. The guy's name

1389
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 1: was Andy Beard and he's actually become a b took

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01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: care of us for five years, our five or six years,

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01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 1: and then uh we we uh we we end up

1392
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 1: going back about two years ago, two or three years ago.

1393
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 1: I guess we all had a reunion. And of course

1394
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 1: this time now bears hit it right. So now we're

1395
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 1: all in full scholarship beards paying for everything, right. And

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01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 1: so um Beard got us a house, so we were

1397
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 1: living the five star lives. Man. We we actually had

1398
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 1: a house for the first time, not a camp side.

1399
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: But we went we went back to Andy Beard's place,

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01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: uh and said hello to him and it was great

1401
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: and we laughed and told stories and um, you know,

1402
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: he laughed about kicking us out, and uh it was great.

1403
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: He said, you guys are more than welcome, you know,

1404
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: to come stay here again. We said no, no, no,

1405
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 1: you know you kicked us out man once where we're

1406
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 1: not coming back. But you know, as you know, life

1407
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: always comes full circle, man, no question, no question. Well

1408
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 1: you've been great for your time. I know you got

1409
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 1: a road game. I gotta take on Andy Kennedy. That

1410
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 1: little point guard is tough. It's probably good. He's really good.

1411
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 1: He's a lot better than I did. I love, I

1412
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: appreciate your time, man. I enjoyed this summer catching up

1413
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 1: with you. Man. Learn a lot about your family and

1414
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 1: your story. And then I'm proud of you and what

1415
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 1: you're doing. And who knows what the future olds for

1416
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 1: both of us, man, but I'm a fan of you. Man.

1417
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 1: You can keep grinding, man, like what likewise I might.

1418
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: I might invite myself in that Threo River trip this year.

1419
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: Do you ever get down here too? Man, come by

1420
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 1: a practice show man coming out? I will. I appreciate you.

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01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 1: Travel safe to Birmingham, and thanks for joining me, all right,

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01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 1: see Doug, Yeah, my thanks to Joe Goldman. Thinks still

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01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 1: you for listening, man, We've got great stuff in the hopper.

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Speaker 1: If you'd like this, I'll listen any of our catalog

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Speaker 1: of of stories of interviews here on the All Ball

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Speaker 1: think you really like it now. That's just all sports,

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Speaker 1: not just essentially focused on basketball, all sports, but um

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Speaker 1: kind of more same personal commentary, same level of interviews

1432
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Speaker 1: and depth, just not the same depth and length obviously. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: in the Bonus is the pod. The Doug Outlip Show

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Speaker 1: is the show. Of course, you can download all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Just be a psycho fan. That'd be cool. Anyway. Thanks

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