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Speaker 1: It's a tough sports not for everybody. You gotta be

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Speaker 1: some Welcome to NFL Daily where yes we're just a

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Speaker 1: bunch of sickos. I'm Greg Rosenthal and for the first

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Speaker 1: time breaking boundaries here on NFL Daily as a member

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Speaker 1: of the NFL Daily family, I want to welcome in

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Speaker 1: Ali Connolly. Ali, I've been trying to hire you on

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Speaker 1: this show for like a year and a half and

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Speaker 1: we actually did it. We're going to have you every

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Speaker 2: For ciccos we did it. Look at us, who'd have thought.

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Speaker 1: You're kind of joining us? You know, we're we're like

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Speaker 1: a winning organization. We have a lot of good players.

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Speaker 1: We can create open receivers. But we're putting you in

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Speaker 1: a spot that we think is gonna work. But it's

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Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on you. It's a lot like

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Speaker 1: the JJ McCarthy situation in Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's brutal to throw me in with JJ. I

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Speaker 2: hoping maybe like a Brandon Graham, like you bring a

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Speaker 2: guy and can you bring the last drops out of

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Speaker 2: someone for championship run.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a better comp and you know, maybe JJ

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Speaker 1: can turn around. We saw the Minnesota Vikings in person

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Speaker 1: Ali and I. If you're not familiar with Ali's work,

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Speaker 1: you know he's done some great work at The Guardian.

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Speaker 1: Obviously you should check out his sub stack where you

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Speaker 1: can catch him in John Ledyard podcasting and in also

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Speaker 1: Ali writing. But we wanted to get you in Ali

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Speaker 1: in the door. At least for now. We're going to

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Speaker 1: be doing Saturdays and kind of taking like a step back,

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Speaker 1: So we decided today we're gonna talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: about the International Series at the back end and just

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Speaker 1: our impressions from it and yours covering some of the

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Speaker 1: games for Talk Sport. But we're gonna start by looking

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Speaker 1: at the content in the NFC. I can't remember a

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Speaker 1: the one thing that gets in the way the biggest

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Speaker 1: problem for each of the NFC contenders. And I'll have

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Speaker 1: you get us going with the Los Angeles Rams, right

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Speaker 1: now the number two seed. Losing that tiebreaker with the Eagles.

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Speaker 2: The Rams one is hard. I think the special team

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Speaker 2: situation is obvious, but I do think hiding under the

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Speaker 2: best of the best competition. I'm not sure the interior

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Speaker 2: They are such a complete team. They've played well above

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Speaker 2: the expectation. I think that interior. But when you go

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Speaker 2: fel played out like an NFC title game preview with

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Speaker 2: how good those two teams are, that it's not quite

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you're not buying like a Steve Avula resurgence

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Speaker 1: he's kind of been mowing down people to my untrained

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Speaker 2: I love Steve Avila. I think he could be the

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Speaker 2: They choose not to. They still play him out left guard.

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Speaker 2: I think he's incredibly explosive, But when you get them

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the downfall for Seattle is just so

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Speaker 2: Who can cover that up? For as I, it's not perfect.

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Speaker 1: See, this is just like inject it straight into my veins.

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Speaker 1: This is why I've gotten cold turkey off the Read

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Speaker 1: what I'm up with next. I had this whole thing prepared,

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Speaker 1: what America is interested in on ESPN right now, is

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts not concerned with the criticism that's happening inside

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Speaker 1: his own building, And it was mystifying to watch that film,

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Speaker 2: like that's still in play. The defense is absolutely dominant,

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Speaker 2: The main takeaway when you watch them is just it

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. I don't think specially enough.

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Speaker 2: And you saw it in the Eagles game when they

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Speaker 2: face a team that is just more them in the

435
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Speaker 2: trenches where you just starving to bring bodies in and

436
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Speaker 2: you're just hoping you can get through with numbers, and

437
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Speaker 2: all of a sudden you become a really static offense

438
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Speaker 2: where it's all outside the numbers, one on one shots,

439
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Speaker 2: looking like the Eagles offense frankly at times, and that's

440
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Speaker 2: just not who they've ever been and not the way

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Speaker 2: I think Jared Goff wants to play. He needs as

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Speaker 2: many options available as quickly as possible, and he will

443
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Speaker 2: just decode you on the fly. That's his superpower is

444
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Speaker 2: winning from the neck up. And so if you start

445
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Speaker 2: drawing extra bodies into try and cover up for errors

446
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Speaker 2: everywhere else, it kind of, you know, tilts the whole

447
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Speaker 2: thing downwards. I think the impact in the run game

448
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Speaker 2: is probably the most understated part of the lines. I

449
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Speaker 2: think just because the area of Dan Campbell's like, well,

450
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Speaker 2: they'll always have a physical dominant run game, but they're

451
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Speaker 2: really siloed now and how they can get after. They

452
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Speaker 2: used to be the most They had the deepest menu

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Speaker 2: of run plays in the league. And it was not

454
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Speaker 2: just that Ben Johnson was hanging around there and was

455
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Speaker 2: really smart. It was that the talent of the players

456
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Speaker 2: was everyone was available to do anything you could ever

457
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Speaker 2: dream up or drow up on a napkin. And now

458
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Speaker 2: they've just got these moles where it's all vertically based,

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Speaker 2: and it's the same in past, where these guys play

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Speaker 2: on like a linear plane. They don't really have to

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Speaker 2: speed or the g to move and pull and play

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Speaker 2: out in space, and it's really narrowed down what they're

463
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Speaker 2: able to get to, and it has had a big

464
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Speaker 2: knock on effect on some of the play action stuff

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Speaker 2: they can do. Even if you look at some of

466
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Speaker 2: their numbers rushing outside the tackles. They have the most

467
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Speaker 2: electric back in the NFL, probably the single best pound

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Speaker 2: for pound player in the NFL and Jamie Gibbs, and

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Speaker 2: they have a thirty six percent rush success rate, which

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Speaker 2: is one of the worst marks in the NFL. That

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Speaker 2: should not be allowed to happen. But it's because these

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Speaker 2: guys play really well. When it's all the combo blocks,

473
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Speaker 2: it's like mass on mass and just who wants to

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Speaker 2: fight for it and wants it more and who can

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Speaker 2: play with leverage. They can bully people when you've got

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Speaker 2: to try and be more intricate and have more of

477
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Speaker 2: a pin pull and guys out in space field to

478
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Speaker 2: the offense, things fall apart and has a real knock

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Speaker 2: on effect on the play action game, which, as you said,

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Speaker 2: is where they're at the best.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to go back to what you just said.

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Speaker 1: You think Jamir Gibbs is potentially the best all around

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Speaker 1: player in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: I think pound for pound, if you're putting people on

485
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Speaker 2: the podium, you'd have what Parsons, Garret Bijean, Jamir Would

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Speaker 2: that be a fair top four?

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Speaker 1: That's a good one. I tried to make the case

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Speaker 1: in our show the other week that like, as great

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Speaker 1: as Bizon is, I don't know, just as a pure runner,

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Speaker 1: like Jamir Gibbs is my guy. And Patrick, you know,

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Speaker 1: Claybaugh and and Jordan were like, oh, you don't have

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Speaker 1: to always compare him. I was like, well, but you can.

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Speaker 1: That's I think I would take Gibbs. I'm glad you agree,

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Speaker 1: or maybe you don't. I don't know. You have Bizon

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Speaker 1: on the podium too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just on the lines just so I get

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Speaker 2: this correct for the listeners. Mike consume with them the

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Speaker 2: offensive line, Robin just the talent is they don't have

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Speaker 2: any horizontal element in the offense anymore. Over then Jimmy

500
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Speaker 2: being special in space, that's like the only like advantage

501
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Speaker 2: edition they have is when just funnel the ball to

502
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Speaker 2: Jamarian space, he'll figure out and it's all the jet

503
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Speaker 2: sweeps and the motions and things like that. It's a

504
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Speaker 2: little bit more gimmickified than traditional Lions Ben Jonson's style offense.

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Speaker 2: And so now you have to play really vertically, and

506
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Speaker 2: that's where those guys are best in their past sets too.

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Speaker 2: It's just like straight drop back vertical play.

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Speaker 1: Action game.

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Speaker 2: They can't roll the pocket with Gared Goff because he

510
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Speaker 2: doesn't move. He's not a scrambler, so he just puts

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Speaker 2: them in this siloed style of offense, and they are

512
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Speaker 2: not a bombs away outside the numbers offense. So they

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Speaker 2: probably should be with Jamison Williams and rolling Teslaura in

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Speaker 2: there for a certain number of reps.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say they could be, couldn't they? I

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Speaker 1: mean Golf can make those yeah, bros. Maybe it's not

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Speaker 1: what he majors in, but he certainly can make those throws.

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Speaker 1: Get our guys to slaw in the mix like they

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Speaker 1: could be. Do you think they could potentially adjust a

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Speaker 1: little bit down the stretch?

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Speaker 2: I think they should do. It would come down to

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Speaker 2: stuff we'd never know, communication between Campbell and Gough of

523
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Speaker 2: a willingness to say we're good with you throwing four

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Speaker 2: down there and then taking one away. We'll just live

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Speaker 2: with that. You know, if we give up a turnover,

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Speaker 2: we give one up. You'd have to kind of reprogram

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Speaker 2: yourself on the fly. But Goff has now made himself

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Speaker 2: as the closest fact similarly, not in production or overall talent,

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Speaker 2: but style wise to Tom Brady like, that's what the

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Speaker 2: game is modeled on. Hit the back foot, get the

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Speaker 2: ball out. Brady was able to adjust, and the greatness

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Speaker 2: of Brady was whatever playoff game demands, that is just

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Speaker 2: what I will produce. I'm not sure we can have

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Speaker 2: a suggest that Chard Guff has that kind of internal

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Speaker 2: n ten. I have exactly what a playoff game needs,

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Speaker 2: and so I just think that they are way more

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Speaker 2: get aftable than they have ever been during the dunkembol run.

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Speaker 1: I'm not giving up on my Lions because I did

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Speaker 1: have them in the Super Bowl this year, but and

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Speaker 1: I do think they still will win the division. If

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Speaker 1: I have to take one of those teams, I think

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Speaker 1: they would be my team. But I just don't think

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Speaker 1: they're as complete a team as the Seahawks or the Rams,

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Speaker 1: and especially if they don't win the division, it's going

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Speaker 1: to be a really tough path. But that's true for

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Speaker 1: all these teams. It is deep. Let's take a quick

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Speaker 1: break and we'll come back. We're gonna do you know

548
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Speaker 1: the one thing that could stop these contenders from making

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Speaker 1: it all the way to the Super Bowl, And then

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Speaker 1: we'll talk a little bit about the International Series. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's The Show for the Sikos, Episode one with Ali Connelly.

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Speaker 1: Back in a minute back on NFL Daily, our first

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Speaker 1: Saturday show with Ali Connolly, they called it the Show

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Speaker 1: for the Sickos right before break. That could work. I

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Speaker 1: feel like we need, we need a name, Ali, and

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Speaker 1: so you know, I know you've been a writer, you've

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Speaker 1: been an editor. I'm going to put you on this task,

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Speaker 1: but also put the listeners. If anyone listening out there

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Speaker 1: has ideas we need some sort of special Allie Connolly

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Speaker 1: Saturday Show branding, it's gonna be ours forever. I'm not

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Speaker 1: I'm not ready. I'm not ready to pick one quite yet, Ali,

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Speaker 1: But if you got any I'll take it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the listeners quo with unbelievable names. I'm slightly worried

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Speaker 2: that it opens up the door for some ad hominin

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Speaker 2: attacks on my possible smokeness nd al arrogance. Which would

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Speaker 2: is you know, some well concerning book Saturdays for the

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Speaker 2: Sickos or something like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, something positive would be does that's pretty good?

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Speaker 1: Uh No, I don't think they would do that. You've

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Speaker 1: gotten a lot about the resemblance to Kirk Cuns over

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Speaker 1: the years. I think I feel like you're growing out

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Speaker 1: of that when you're not wearing the hat. I think

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Speaker 1: you don't. You don't see that the hair is looking

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Speaker 1: good here. And I that you were gonna say, because

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Speaker 1: I know when you've dealt with people within the NFL,

576
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Speaker 1: the first reaction is like, what really you know about

577
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Speaker 1: the American football as a British guy, like they cannot

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Speaker 1: get over it. But we're gonna put you to the test.

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Speaker 1: All right, you are up. Let's talk Seahawks. This is

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Speaker 1: one I was very curious to see where you went.

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Speaker 2: With one I had the hardest time with because I

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Speaker 2: just think it's the most complete team in the league.

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Speaker 2: And say, for like a Donald meltdown game, is that

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Speaker 2: just the floor that both he can play like the

585
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Speaker 2: MVP of the league for seven eight weeks, but then

586
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Speaker 2: there's the full meltdown. I guess more big picture, there

587
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Speaker 2: is a slight concern of how adaptable enough of they

588
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Speaker 2: offensively given some of the issues with their run game.

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Speaker 2: We haven't seen them play form a negative game script

590
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Speaker 2: an awful lot the season beyond the Rams and then

591
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Speaker 2: things did snowball on Sam Donald. And although they throw

592
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Speaker 2: a lot of cool stuff, they have more personal packages

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Speaker 2: than any offense in the NFL. They're not all as

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Speaker 2: effective as one another, and I do just wonder if

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Speaker 2: they're not quite as adaptable as some of the best

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Speaker 2: offenses in the league. Having said that, that's a concern

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Speaker 2: I've had for them for like five six weeks. Then

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Speaker 2: they went and got Rashid Shaheed and they were like,

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Speaker 2: we're going to be pretty more adaptable now because we've

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Speaker 2: got under the absolute zoomer on the outside.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was interesting that, you know, they had him

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Speaker 1: in the backfield a little bit. What did you see.

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Speaker 1: I know he hasn't gotten a ton of usage for

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Speaker 1: them with how you think they will use Shaheed to

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Speaker 1: make them maybe a little more adaptable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think before they just didn't have any three

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Speaker 2: level receiving threats that wasn't JSN someone who could attack short, intermedia, deep,

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Speaker 2: And now with Shihiedo, I think it's just a way

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Speaker 2: more nuanced all around receiver than he's been given credit for,

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Speaker 2: which is just like he's a burner. I think there's

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Speaker 2: way more to his game than that, and so opening

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Speaker 2: that up particularly, I think in the wrong game, just

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Speaker 2: having someone you can stretch the field and he has

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Speaker 2: that kind of os factor for safeties was like, oh no,

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Speaker 2: that's real speed. We got to back up and make

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Speaker 2: sure we're capping someone to that side and maybe you

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Speaker 2: can draw two bodies, like the gravitational pull of speed

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Speaker 2: is a real thing and clear people out to try

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Speaker 2: and free up the rung game. The main thing in

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Speaker 2: his first game was just not understanding what was happening

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Speaker 2: in the offense a lot of the time. It really

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Speaker 2: submarined that two minute drill. Greg Olsen was excellent on

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Speaker 2: it on the coal being like they out burning seconds

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Speaker 2: have to remind him where he is in the formation.

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Speaker 2: And it's kind of strange because he did work with

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Speaker 2: Kubiak last season, so hopefully he can get up to

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Speaker 2: speed pretty quickly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Donald, can you survive like it's a stretch.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's the consistency in the run game. And Mike

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Speaker 1: McDonald indicated this week that they might go to Kenneth

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Speaker 1: Walker more like percentage wess. He said that before, but

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Speaker 1: the fact that he said it right now at this

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Speaker 1: point in the season after that performance, I thought was telling.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they're not quite consistent enough. And then you know,

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Speaker 1: Donald and Kubiak, especially offensively, doesn't mean they just because

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Speaker 1: they haven't done it before that they can't do it.

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Speaker 1: We've seen a ton of Super Bowl teams do it

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Speaker 1: that way. But it's gonna be very tough for them,

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Speaker 1: especially if they don't win the division, and now you

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Speaker 1: know they have to get that Rams game coming back

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Speaker 1: to make this defensive gauntlet too. Can those two guys

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Speaker 1: like can Kubiak put enough good game plans together and

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Speaker 1: can Darnell devoid the meltdown through let's say like a

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Speaker 1: three game NFC gauntlet would be pretty tough.

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Speaker 2: He also is making some of the most absurd throws

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00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 2: you'll ever see, the highest degree difficulty not open. He

647
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: had the best, the most absurd rate you've ever seen

648
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: off tight window throws well under pressure, and they're all

649
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: complete fifteen plus odds down the field. So that just

650
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: doesn't happen. You don't complete those throws. To think that

651
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 2: will sustain throughout a playoff run against the best, the

652
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 2: best I think is you're asking for kind of an

653
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: ELI on the Giants level. Flacco with the Ravens level

654
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 2: of hot streak through a postseason when the degree difficulty

655
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: is really high, and we've seen one game when the

656
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: degree difficulty cranks up slightly and his brain just kind

657
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Speaker 2: of falls apot.

658
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Speaker 1: I'm like the president of the don't allow Eli Manny

659
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame committee. And yet I will

660
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: always point out to people if you watch his run

661
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: towards the end of the eleven season, it's like it

662
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: was so incredible, not just in the playoffs. He kind

663
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: of started it at the end of the regular season.

664
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Speaker 1: The Flacco comparison is good. He kind of did the

665
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: Flacco playoff thing, but for about seven or eight weeks

666
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: just hitting some low percentage, incredibly difficult throws that were

667
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: just all him for a couple of months. So Eli's

668
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: got that, all right, I will I'll finished with the

669
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: Bucks and it is Baker. It is stringing those four

670
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: games together. I think that is the right answer. Because

671
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: he's thirty first in success rate this year when having

672
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: a clean pocket. It's crazy, like the only people ahead

673
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: of behind him are Dylan Gabriel cam Ward and JJ McCarthy,

674
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: like the people with fifty throws, and it's just chaotic.

675
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Speaker 1: And I was curious for your take because I don't

676
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: feel like I've heard it of how he's played lately.

677
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,719
Speaker 1: He does fit the profile of a guy like an

678
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: Eli or a Flacco that could get high and because

679
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: he is a streaky quarterback. But right now I'm seeing

680
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: a guy that's like just not necessarily seen the field well,

681
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: or he's not willing to take the positive plays that

682
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: are there and he's either hunting for big plays or

683
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: he's just holding on. That's at least my impression. I'm

684
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: curious what you think he's looked like on film.

685
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 2: No, I agree with you. And one of the worst

686
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: things I think that could have happened to Baker was

687
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: getting any kind of like MVP buzzle being put in

688
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: Patrick Claiborne's conversation, because now he's just going pure hearable

689
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 2: at a times when it's completely unnecessary, there's wide open targets.

690
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm just going to take off and do

691
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: my own thing. And those late game comebacks bailed him

692
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: out almost narratively, from the fact he was playing really

693
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: poorly for twenty five snaps a game during those games

694
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 2: and he had all the issues with the offensive line

695
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: and receivers going down. He deserves credit for overcoming that,

696
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: but you've just read off the numbers when pressured, even

697
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 2: when he's being blitzed this year. Bake has always roasted

698
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 2: the Blitz. It's always been one of his biggest strengths

699
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 2: dating back to college. He has had such a stark

700
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 2: decline this season against the Blitz, and it's just missing

701
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 2: wide open targets, misreading the field consistently. And the difference

702
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: with him, I think to someone like a Fleacco or

703
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: a Manning, all those guys who get hot during the

704
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: postseason is Baker's streaky in game, you don't know what

705
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: you're getting drive to drive with Baker. He's not a

706
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: guy who it's like, oh, the three weeks have been

707
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,479
Speaker 2: absolutely electric than the next two weeks are a bit

708
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 2: of a struggle. That is kind of the general view

709
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: sometimes and true, but even within those electric games, there's

710
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 2: two or three drives. It's just like he buries the

711
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: offense on his own with bad decisions and trying to

712
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: do too much. So I just really struggle unless they

713
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 2: get all the guys back together, and Grizzard has like

714
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 2: a magical series of game plans for the postseason, which

715
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: you just don't get from first year OC's that's always

716
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 2: a mess throughout the first season. It's kind of wild.

717
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: The run they've been on to think you can go

718
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: three times in a row with just a great game

719
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: planning go see is really difficult to do. I just

720
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: I can't see Baker holding up without giving people plenty

721
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 2: of opportunities to get some takeaways in the playoffs.

722
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the offensive line has a chance to

723
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: be really good, and they're getting healthier and their defense

724
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: I think overall, even though they've given up a lot

725
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: of big plays, it hasn't been great lately. I think

726
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: is better than the last couple versions. And that's what's

727
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: a little disappointing about this Bucks team is I thought,

728
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people thought maybe this is

729
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: the year that they escape out of that. Well, we're

730
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: winning the NFC South almost by default, and actually we're

731
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: pretty talented, playing maybe our best towards the late in

732
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: the season, but we're clearly like a step below the

733
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: real deal teams. It felt like they've they've had enough

734
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: continuity coming into the season, and the injuries have hurt

735
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,959
Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball, to be fair, but

736
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,959
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like they're escaping that. In fact, they

737
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: could be in second place, like by the end of

738
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: the weekend. If they lose that game to the Rams, Like,

739
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: do you see them a tick below some of these

740
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: teams we've already talked about in terms of the Eagles,

741
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: the Seahawks, the Rams, maybe even the Lions.

742
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I put them right by the Eagles

743
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: because I don't think there was fundamentally flowed as the Eagles.

744
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: I think the Rems and just in a completely different tear,

745
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: they're own to everyone in the league in terms of

746
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 2: all around completeness. One of them does happen to have

747
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: Sam Donald. The other one can't play one of the

748
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: three elements of the sport, which is they can't play

749
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 2: special teams. So that's a little bit of a ding

750
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 2: on those two teams. But I just think they are

751
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: in a different strates for the books. To me, if

752
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: they were healthy, that is the best offensive line in

753
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 2: the league. It's them in the Broncos. Those are so

754
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: clearly superior to everyone else, and it puts so much

755
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 2: on the menu for them, as we saw in the

756
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 2: Bills game last week, how they're able to completely rechoreograph

757
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: the wrong game in one week in a way they

758
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 2: have not done all seasons, only available because of the

759
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: talent the offensive line. So if they were healthy particularly

760
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: with Hassam Reddick. Defensively, I think that they are as

761
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 2: loaded as any team in the league with playmakers and

762
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 2: then have a ton of stability in the secondary and

763
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 2: the old line, so they get the playmaking explosives, and

764
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 2: the stability is just so happens that the most important

765
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 2: guy who touches the ball every play offensively is the

766
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: most like destabilized portion of the team.

767
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: Right and they basically are healthy on the offensive line.

768
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: They don't have Bretison right now who's at guard, but

769
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: the other four spots are solid and get a key

770
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: is back. Yeah, I'm not I'm not crossing the mouth

771
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: by any means of making around. I think they have

772
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: the talent to possibly do it. Last team we'll talk

773
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: about at length here is the Green Bay Packers. I

774
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: believe it was your Super Bowl team before they made

775
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: the micro Parsons trade, and then certainly you were sticking

776
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 1: with them afterwards. What do you think could get in

777
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 1: their way?

778
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 2: Again? I think it's the offensive line. It may sound boring,

779
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: but the interior that offensive line has just been brutal,

780
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 2: some of the rung game issues of blown protections. I

781
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 2: just think they placed a bet on a style of

782
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 2: football that has just completely busted out and now they're

783
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 2: trying to like work them back their way out of it.

784
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 2: They got so big on the interior, and now you

785
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 2: look at Banks, Sean Ryan, Jordan Morgan that you just

786
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 2: cannot go into a game in Philadelphia. I think you're

787
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: gonna have any chance with that group unless you can

788
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: completely reorient the style of offense. And unfortunately, to reorient

789
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: the offense, you bas have to say we're trading off

790
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 2: any sense of efficiency. We cannot drive the field. Our

791
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 2: guys aren't good enough, so now we've got to go

792
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: hunt for big chunk plays and gets. You know, Jordan

793
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: Loove's eyes all big and excited, like, oh we get

794
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: to go hun chunk plays. Let's go have some fun,

795
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: and you kind of lay slightly into some of his

796
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: worst instincts where he goes chasing it on every single play.

797
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: Wow, this is as down as I've heard you with

798
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: the Packers, because you know you're you're a lafleur believer.

799
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: And as as disappointing as some of these games have been,

800
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: they're still like in okay position. You look at the

801
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 1: overall efficiency in terms of DVOA, for instance, like they're

802
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: one of the teams that is in the top ten

803
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: of both categories, although it's like eight and nine, they're

804
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: not elite really at either. Like where where do you

805
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: think this offense in particular that you're mentioning, and this

806
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: is coming up for all these offenses, Like where do

807
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: you think they go in terms of like how they

808
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: want to adjust down the stretch?

809
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: That is when I don't know. And that's why I

810
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 2: just love Mount Lafleux so much. I have. I'm just

811
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 2: excited to see what he comes up with. He's one

812
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: of those guys where the brain is so large. I'm

813
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 2: just like, I can't wait to see how he figures out.

814
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: I'm sure he'll get it right and I'll be all

815
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: excited the to figure out. However, is he ideed was

816
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 2: the solution? I don't think right now. Having on the

817
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 2: opening drive of the game, leaving Dex Lawrence unblocked, as

818
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: like the way he wants to go with this stuff,

819
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 2: you would think that would be maybe in the key

820
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 2: to the game. Let's make sure we block the best

821
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: player on the field, so they just have so many

822
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 2: breakdowns inside it's a problem. I did think that was

823
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 2: Jordan Love's maybe best game of the season, just snap

824
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: for snap, how he's throwing, decision making, and so you

825
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 2: kind of just need him to elevate to a level

826
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 2: that is I offset all interior line concerns. The tackles

827
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 2: hold that well enough, we've got enough playmaking. We can

828
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 2: at least go and get some chunks down the field.

829
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 2: And so he would just have to rise to a

830
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 2: level of consistency we haven't quite seen throughout his career.

831
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe Christian Watson, you know, continues to improve, Jaden

832
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: Reed gets healthy, like they can definitely get healthier.

833
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 2: We'll see if you have I will say though Laflor himself,

834
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 2: this has been a really rough season play calling wise

835
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 2: for a guy who I think is the best in

836
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 2: the business. The situational play calling has been so off

837
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: all season long. The I just am concerned as a

838
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 2: fun of his work that he's misidentified his own team

839
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: and is now driving ahead with something philosophically like you

840
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 2: see with the Falcons and Psach Robinson, when it becomes

841
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 2: like a coach's quest to prove his philosophy as opposed

842
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 2: to looking at his personnel and going what will actually

843
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: help us.

844
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 3: Get out at this situation, I can't believe the real

845
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 3: whispers beyond just like fans being mad about like could.

846
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,479
Speaker 1: This be it for Matt Lafleur and God to cunts

847
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: depending on how this goes and their schedule is tough,

848
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: Like there is a path towards that happening with and

849
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: it would be a mistake and it would be great

850
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: for content because there would be an absolute huge competition

851
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: to get Lafleur and maybe good counts. Maybe they're back

852
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: in the year. I don't know what their relationship is like.

853
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 2: Doesn't that just feel like the part in the America's

854
00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 2: Game film at the end of the year with the

855
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 2: fly all the tweets and then it like ends with

856
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 2: them holding the trophy. Yeah, that's what it feels like

857
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: to me. It could still happen.

858
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: It's I look, I love I love all the seasons,

859
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: you know, they're all they're all beautiful children, but this one,

860
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: especially in the NFC, it's why we started here. It

861
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: is so fascinting because the stakes are so high and

862
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: all these teams are so talented that they all have

863
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: a legit shot to change their story around except for

864
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. Sorry, I feel bad about this

865
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: because the more I thought about it, we decided the

866
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: forty nine ers weren't going to be in our mix

867
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 1: for contenders just because the defense, like there's just there's

868
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: just no path with that pass rush and just the

869
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: overall defensive talent. And yet, you know, the more I

870
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: thought about it this week, and I was like, could

871
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: they put up forty a game and Kyle like has

872
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: his best season as a play caller the rest of

873
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: the way, and it's just like the season you never

874
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: saw coming from the forty nine ers. You never know.

875
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: So we're not gonna talk about you at lank forty

876
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: nine ers fans, but don't be mad. You never you

877
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: never know. They could put a forty game or something crazy.

878
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 2: Like.

879
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: It's not like there is It's a smaller path I

880
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: think than the rest of these teams that we talked about, But.

881
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: I think there's definitely a path to win a playoff

882
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 2: game and maybe win two. I think goes all the

883
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 2: way they put a faulty game, but they get you know,

884
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 2: cobD over the head for faulty five by the rams

885
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: or something right.

886
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: You would have to have like the right matchups. I

887
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: don't know what that would be, uh to escape like

888
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: facing a great offense throughout the playoffs. But yeah, that

889
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: defense just doesn't seem like it's going to be competitive enough.

890
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: Before we wrap up, Ollie, let's talk a little international.

891
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 1: You know you've been back in Manchester. How long now? Oh?

892
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 2: God, ten days? I think I had the Berlin flew

893
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 2: for seven days. Don't don't google what the Berlin Flew has.

894
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 2: Too many fun nights in the greatest city on Earth.

895
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,479
Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, well let's start there then. Wow, how

896
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 2: was the Berlin week? Beyond just like why and how

897
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 2: you got the flu? Berlin was incredible. It was that

898
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 2: I felt the first time, you know, every six months

899
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: or something, mister Goodell goes out and floats and floats

900
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 2: the idea of a London super Bowl and the wolfs

901
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 2: Rejournal whoever will write about could they do a game

902
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 2: in London? Yeah, you know, because all the owners read

903
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: that journal. This was the first time it felt like

904
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: a European super Bowl in Berlin. It was a really

905
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 2: really cool week where it like takes over a major

906
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 2: European international city. You've been to the London Games. The

907
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 2: London Games are great and cool. The NFL doesn't quite

908
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 2: take over the city, because there is so much going

909
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 2: on in an enormous international city, just is impossible to

910
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: have that degree of footprint, but in Berlin it did.

911
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: There was eleven teams who have the home market rights

912
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 2: and they were all on the ground there. Then you

913
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: have the league as well doing stuff and it was

914
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: just absolutely everywhere all over the week. So it was

915
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 2: really really fun to see that scale and have that

916
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:39,919
Speaker 2: kind of Super Bowl feel.

917
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 1: What was the vibe like in the city, Like among

918
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: like the NFL fan base there. I guess you're not

919
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: like an expert, you're not, you're not living there, but

920
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: like in terms of they're not, you know, we do

921
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: here from a lot of German listeners in general. I

922
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: know you were you were out and about. I don't

923
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: want to blow up your spot, but you might have

924
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: been like see and some teams out and about. How

925
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: do you think like that whole experience was out out

926
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: in the city.

927
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was in the city. It was incredible. Everyone's

928
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: having a fine time, wonderful time. Berlin, as I said,

929
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 2: probably the greatest city in Europe, So that was a

930
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: lot of fun. The level of knowledge is just different

931
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: to everywhere else. I mean, if you think of the

932
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: end of NFL Europe, every team but one was a

933
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 2: German teams. Like the domestic built in love for the sport,

934
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: is it like a granular feel it in your bones level,

935
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: as opposed to just the circus comes to town and

936
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: it's kind of the Erasmus as in the shiny helmets

937
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 2: that kind of maybe get someone interested initially. There's like

938
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 2: a real earthy feel and love for the sports. So

939
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 2: you're out there talking with guys at the at the

940
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: bar about DVOA. People are talking special teams DVOA at

941
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: the bar. You don't get that in many other international visits.

942
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,479
Speaker 2: And then you also get on the top of it

943
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 2: all kinds of the big temp hole the league doing

944
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: all the different stuff they want to do.

945
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: What player watching it live? So you were broadcasting the

946
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,479
Speaker 1: game for Talk Sport with our friend Will Gavin and who,

947
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: by the way, I can break the news here is

948
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: coming back to NFL Daily Next Friday's actually gonna be

949
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: the three of us. So in general, Ali and I

950
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: are going to do Saturdays until the end of the

951
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 1: regular season and we'll figure out what's the right day

952
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: for us to do our shows. Once we get to

953
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: the playoffs, we won't do it Saturdays because there's games obviously,

954
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: but next week's a little weird with Thanksgiving, So you're

955
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: gonna join me in Will Gavin after the Black Friday

956
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: game to talk the Thanksgiving games and recap that. So

957
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: we'll get the three of us together. What player, I'll

958
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: put it this way, or players maybe stood out to

959
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: you the most watching them live? That just popped?

960
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 2: Honestly it was Jalen Walker. Is my first time seeing

961
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: him live, and I think he's gonna be a super

962
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: dupe stuff the highest order.

963
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: Yes, I love it. He's really improved to my eye

964
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: this season. Like the first month, the wasn't getting a

965
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: ton of run. He still is, you know, a part

966
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: time player, but he's getting more run. Seemed like he

967
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: was trying to figure out what to do. But you

968
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: can see the athleticism now popping, at least on tape.

969
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 1: What did you see in person?

970
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the intelligence is what stands out with him,

971
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 2: whether it's in person on tape, the understanding of what's happening.

972
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: I mean, because they are such a package based defense

973
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: where it's like roll out different groups of people, I

974
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 2: think it just kind of limits how often he's on

975
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 2: the field more than it being like there's like an

976
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 2: issue in the in his game somewhere. He just bigger, quicker,

977
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 2: stronger than everyone else in the field. And sometimes you

978
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 2: just see it in person, it's like, wow, that guy

979
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 2: even when you go by the numbers and the weights,

980
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 2: like why does he look so much bigger than BERNARDA.

981
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: Ryman.

982
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 2: That guy's a huge human being, and he just looks

983
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 2: thicker and stronger than that guy. So he just completely

984
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: jumped down. And it's on a field with you know,

985
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 2: unbelievable athletes all over the place, and the guy moving

986
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 2: at a different speed with Dale and Walker.

987
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: I gotta study him more because that's my type of guy.

988
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: I mean, totally different type, a different type of player

989
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: than Trevon Walker. But I do just like the guys

990
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: that are bigger, faster, stronger, and you can see it

991
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 1: because it's like I never fell out of love with

992
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: Jeevian Clowney and oh, by the way, he's still getting

993
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,959
Speaker 1: it done at his age for the Cowboys. Okay, let's

994
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: let's I'll go back to Dublin because it was a

995
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: similar vibe to to start the International series, where it

996
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: did feel like it took over the town in a

997
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: way that I hadn't seen in London, and everyone was

998
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: so like thrilled that that the game was in Dublin,

999
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: and I just have to think that that has to

1000
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: be in the heavy rotation, especially the vibe of I

1001
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: walked to the game and just the vibe of the

1002
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: entire city almost walking together leaving it. Now that I've

1003
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: now left a Premier League game, it had a similar

1004
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: vibe where it was just like absolutely packed getting out

1005
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: of the stadium and it's like elbow to elbow for

1006
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: streets on end leaving there, and it just it just

1007
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: made a lot of sense there And in terms of

1008
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,720
Speaker 1: you know what stuck out, it was our guy speaking

1009
00:45:53,719 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: a bigger, stronger, faster Darnel Washington to me, now I'm

1010
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 1: mixing up the Dublin and London games, like Darnel Washington

1011
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: in person was just like a site to behold and

1012
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: you realize, like, this dude really is one of the

1013
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: best players in the NFL at what he does and

1014
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: almost no one really does exactly what he does. As

1015
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: a long time Mott Washington believer, I just want to

1016
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: give you the floor for a second to say how

1017
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: you've enjoyed this season.

1018
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's fun to see like the almost international

1019
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 2: breakout of Donnell Washington. And if he was, you know,

1020
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 2: on a team with anyone over the NOUTHA Smith, I

1021
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 2: think would be like this huge household name of doing

1022
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 2: the most absurd things in pro football. And I still

1023
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: do have slightly in the back of my mind like

1024
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: if he just moved to tackle, I know that's out

1025
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 2: there quite consistently, could go and make himself fifty million

1026
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 2: dollars a year. Jalen Moore is a backup with the Niners,

1027
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 2: got like, well twelve fifty million dollars a year. It's

1028
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 2: go be a swing tackle for the Chiefs. I feel

1029
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 2: like he's only now, what twenty three pounds shy I

1030
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 2: being like tackleweight three eleven might even be solid tackleweight

1031
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 2: for him, and you can move so well. He could

1032
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 2: consider that. But I think there's so much potentially him

1033
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 2: as a truly explosive play threat. You see it with

1034
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 2: him kind of just throwing small dudes off him down

1035
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 2: the field. People just bounce off him. He's a truly

1036
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: a unique weapon. Way. It's like Mercedes Lewis at the

1037
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,479
Speaker 2: tail end of Mercedes' career. But I think quicker down

1038
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 2: the field way, you could do some really creative things

1039
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 2: with him if you had the kind of offensive mind too,

1040
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 2: you know, try to be creative.

1041
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, the breakout last week in terms of you know,

1042
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: just running over a couple Bengals, but I almost like

1043
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: the play where he hurdled one of them earlier in

1044
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: the game just as much. And that was a great

1045
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: game to call because you're not sure exactly where to

1046
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: look every play or before the play, There's so much

1047
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: to look at. And I just found like, if you

1048
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: just watched Darnell, like, first of all, it's gonna be fun,

1049
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: but also like you'll figure out how that play is

1050
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: going to work. He really is a skeleton key. And yeah,

1051
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: I just dublin shout out to Michael McQuaid and as

1052
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: we kind of wrap up like the International series, I

1053
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: just I just I just think they made such a

1054
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: great first impression and Croke Park is just like the

1055
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 1: perfect place to play those games that I'd be shocked

1056
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: if they're not doing an annual game. It just makes

1057
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: so much sense. How have you seen the London game

1058
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: experience evolve? And just sort of as someone who obviously

1059
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: grew up loving the NFL, like, how that how you've

1060
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: seen that change with the people around you in England.

1061
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, the evolution has been interesting. I think the how

1062
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 2: to put this, I don't know if it quite has

1063
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 2: the same event feel as it once did, where you

1064
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 2: know there would be packs of eight nine friends who

1065
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 2: would build the year around we're going to that game.

1066
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 2: I think the part of the international expansion, and I

1067
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: met a bunch of these people in Billin was like

1068
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 2: we chose to do the Berlin game rather than do

1069
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 2: the Loving game. It's fun for us to go on tour.

1070
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: It is such a regular feature of the scheduling to

1071
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 2: make it a bit different though, Like we're gonna go

1072
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 2: to Island this year, we're gonna go to Bilin this year.

1073
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: Next year there's gonna be a game in Paris. Do

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Speaker 2: we do a weekend in Paris? Or do we do

1075
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 2: a weekend in London? When we've got multiple London options?

1076
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 2: So I think that is a kind of interesting pivot

1077
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 2: point for the league in general. Is there any kind

1078
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 2: of not necessarily staleness and a lot of that is

1079
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 2: matchup base too, but how do you kind of inject

1080
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 2: some more sizzle into London and make it have a

1081
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 2: really special feel.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean the matchups didn't work out like like

1083
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: they wanted to the games themselves. At least Broncos Jets

1084
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: was close. But I was happy that that you were

1085
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: handling that the next week, or that that was that

1086
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: was happening the next week from that first game we

1087
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: watched together. What is there anyone in that Vikings game

1088
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: that that stands out to you?

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00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 2: Well, I just want to see Brian Flores in person.

1090
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 2: I just enjoyed Maya all the wizardry and madness up

1091
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 2: close and personal, which I was I was pleased to do.

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00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that that was going up against a team

1093
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 1: that really wasn't ready for them in terms of the Browns.

1094
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: And watching justin Jefferson in person is always a treat

1095
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: because it's just like so smooth if you just focus

1096
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: on him every play just makes it look so effortless.

1097
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: And he is someone that absolutely moves different than other

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00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: people and it's fun to see. One thing I've noticed

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Speaker 1: over the year is like going to London every year,

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00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: is it does feel like the like the casual there's

1101
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,720
Speaker 1: either more casual fans or the casual fan of the NFL.

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00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: They're just more aware of it. In a way that

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00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: I do compare it to how the Premier League is here,

1104
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: where I think the NFL in England is almost like

1105
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: where the Premier League is here maybe five seven years ago,

1106
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: where now like sort of everyone has a base knowledge,

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00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: where like when I whenever people ask what I'm doing

1108
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:40,959
Speaker 1: in town, if it's like the uber drivers or whatever,

1109
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: like they always know what I'm talking about, which is

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Speaker 1: a nice surprise.

1111
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah. And all the old stuff in

1112
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 2: the stadium where they would tell you like what the

1113
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: rules are, and sometimes they flush that stuff. But like

1114
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 2: even the most casual like I'm going with my friend,

1115
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 2: has a general enough understanding way you don't need that

1116
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 2: stuff anymore. I will say, my favorite memory from that,

1117
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 2: besides calling the game with you and Will, was Greg

1118
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 2: Newsom getting into it with Kevin O'Connell and then Kevin

1119
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,240
Speaker 2: O'Connell dialing go play specifically to a tyg Greg Newsom

1120
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 2: and is a great reminder for like a film dog

1121
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 2: like me, like these people are human and real and

1122
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 2: sometimes you just want to stick it to the colin it.

1123
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 2: You're shouting at the head coach of the sideline and

1124
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 2: you get the cold plays and it's like let me

1125
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: go and embarrass the coin it the next two snaps.

1126
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 2: I enjoyed that.

1127
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: That's awesome, and he put that on tape. So I

1128
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,479
Speaker 1: feel like other coaches have been copying the game plan

1129
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: to just pick on Greg Newsom. Ever since, that was

1130
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: an interesting moment in that season because you I remember

1131
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: calling at the time Carson Schwessinger just drilling Carson Wentz

1132
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: in the open field, and I do think back to

1133
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: what if, what if he hadn't hurt that shoulder, And

1134
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: after these last couple JJ McCarthy games, thinking like, would

1135
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: they be winning these games with Carson Wentz the last one,

1136
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: I kind of think the answer would be yes, Like

1137
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 1: sometimes you know, you don't know how good you had

1138
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: it when you had Carson Wentz.

1139
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 2: I agree, maybe you could even look at Brosman. Maybe

1140
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 2: we could do another soft injury Benching.

1141
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: Well, that was one of the more exciting moments of

1142
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:08,280
Speaker 1: the game where we saw Brasmer warming up on the sideline. Okay,

1143
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: last last thing has absolutely nothing to do with international

1144
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: or the things that are going to get in the

1145
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: way of contenders, But where where? What do you think

1146
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: do you think they should go to Brosmer?

1147
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 2: I would like to see it. I would like to

1148
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 2: have a quotesback who can throw it to his left.

1149
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 2: If I'm playing in Pro football and I have the

1150
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 2: best receiver in Pro football, would be helpful to be

1151
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 2: able to attack the full field.

1152
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 1: And do you think it's like specifically a left problem.

1153
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: I do know that on the past on the spray

1154
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: chart from MGS. Yeah, it's it's not working out, Like

1155
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: is that just random? Do you think this could be

1156
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: salvage because there are positive plays? Vikings fans got mad

1157
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: when I said that performance was TBO like, and it

1158
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: wasn't saying he was at TiVo's level. It was more

1159
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: just like it was Drek until the fourth quarter and

1160
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: somehow they're gonna manage to pull this out, Like do

1161
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: you think there could be improvement here in the shorter term?

1162
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 2: Well, that's one of those things with the Vikings fans,

1163
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 2: like when your brother says something to you and you

1164
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 2: know it's true deep down, so it hurts more. It's

1165
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 2: because they know that that's what that game was like.

1166
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 2: It's just production wise, it was a TBOS game, and

1167
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: he's had multiple t West games where you can't complete

1168
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 2: wide open passes and then you kind of get hot

1169
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 2: in the two minute drill, and that for me is

1170
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 2: the thing with O'Connell. We've had this weird thing with

1171
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 2: them where they can't get lined up. The huddle is

1172
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 2: a mess, the whole operation is a disaster. And then

1173
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 2: every time they play in the two minute, which happens

1174
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 2: with a lot of these young guys when they come

1175
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 2: into the league, everything looks, you know, it clicks and

1176
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 2: things look smoother and operate better. Why would you not

1177
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 2: just play out the no huddle more? Why would you

1178
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 2: not just clean things up more? And maybe you're a

1179
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 2: little bit more restricted in what you want to do,

1180
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 2: but the guy isn't. The complex stuff you're doing isn't

1181
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 2: working anyway because the guy can't operate it. So you

1182
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 2: may as well slim things down, put some more temp

1183
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 2: in the offense, go and steal what Cliff did with

1184
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels last season, where it's it's no huddle, it's

1185
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,439
Speaker 2: temple all the time. It's having a really small menu

1186
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 2: of plays, it's packeding all the plays as one drivers

1187
00:53:58,080 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 2: an eight play package, which is a lot of what

1188
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 2: the command as dip with Jayden Dniels last week. Way

1189
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 2: you just raped that throughout the week that I already

1190
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: know what the next play is going to be three

1191
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 2: and four plays ahead. That is a really clean way

1192
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 2: to help these guys out. And then you can start

1193
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 2: getting into the discussions of what low buddy mechanics, like

1194
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 2: why is he struggling throwing to one side the field?

1195
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 2: Why is he fall off throws only going one way?

1196
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 2: You can start getting into the nitty gritty if you

1197
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 2: get kind of the big picture right, and given way

1198
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 2: his game's at I do think they failed him slightly

1199
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Speaker 2: on the big picture. Stough.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it is really fascinating different agendas O'Connell. And then

1201
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: you got QUESSI, you got JJ McCarthy, and you got

1202
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: obviously they are ex quarterbacks doing well elsewhere. I'm looking

1203
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: forward to that Vikings Packers game. I'm looking forward to

1204
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: doing this each and every week. I do not think

1205
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 1: the Vikings are gonna raise their hand and be the

1206
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: team that goes overseas for two games again after the

1207
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: way this season has gotten for them. But they did

1208
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: get that win over the Browns with us there. Thank

1209
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: you to Ali Connelly, thank you for everyone checking out

1210
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: our first Saturday show, and yes, hit us up and

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Speaker 1: give us some suggestions for what we should call this

1212
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Speaker 1: Saturday show. We will be back on NFL Daily Sunday Night.

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00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: No Jordan this week. We're gonna wave to her as

1214
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: she goes to Ramsbucks across the street to cover that game.

1215
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: So it'll be me, Shook and Patrick for the whole show.

1216
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: And yes, Oli will be back next week on Black Friday.

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Speaker 1: We will see them