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Speaker 1: think of it too. Is like I always say, like,

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Speaker 1: think of like a person who someone who's in Congress

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Speaker 1: or the Senate as like a you know, like those

428
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Speaker 1: NASCAR jackets that got all the sponsors and shipped on them.

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Speaker 1: That's like what a senator should be rocking when they

430
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Speaker 1: walk into the Indo Capitol Hill. So you already know

431
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Speaker 1: who's paying the biggest chunks of their bills. You know,

432
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Speaker 1: that's that's crazy. So you already you should be running

433
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Speaker 1: in here flying your flag already yoh, yeah, yeah, I

434
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Speaker 1: mean because then it makes things so much easier. So

435
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: you're like, of course he's gonna vote. Look at his back,

436
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: says Texico. They got the hood, like the hood, the

437
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: hood sponsor of the NASCAR. Not like the hood, but

438
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 1: the on the hood of the car. That literally the

439
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 1: prime real estate for a NASCAR Right, You're like, that's

440
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: the fucking that's the be all, end all for sponsorship.

441
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Speaker 1: So that's the same thing to a lot of people

442
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Speaker 1: have certain industries that they're beholding to because lobbyists, they

443
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 1: do a lot of ship to help save people in

444
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Speaker 1: Congress a lot of time by fundraising. You know, that's

445
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: really how you lean on him, because you say, bag okay, yeah,

446
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: I've well, damn you know, re elections campaigns are so expensive.

447
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: I mean, man, like, I mean, I'm pretty sure I

448
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: can get a few people. I think I can get

449
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Speaker 1: a couple hundred thousand a million or so together from

450
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Speaker 1: people I know to help you out, because you know,

451
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: we like working together. And so that's what you mean

452
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: by like, it's the dude that can slide that motorola

453
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Speaker 1: two way page or two you right, Yeah, he just

454
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: got something like and they're able to get shipped quick.

455
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 1: But you got a guy quickly, yeah, quickly. And a

456
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: lot of lobbies will talk about how they have many clients, right,

457
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Speaker 1: but they'll even get their other clients to maybe help

458
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Speaker 1: with another another thing dealing with another client, to say

459
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Speaker 1: this is how we move like if we can put

460
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Speaker 1: if we're all kind of sort of on a similar trajectory,

461
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Speaker 1: then if I say we need to help this person out,

462
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Speaker 1: we need to help this person out, because there's you know,

463
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,959
Speaker 1: the whole thing with it is so many um you

464
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: know with members of Congress in the Senate, they're allo

465
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: committees and they have specialties when it when it comes

466
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Speaker 1: to like legislating on certain areas of interest or industries

467
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Speaker 1: and things like that. So if you, let's say you

468
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Speaker 1: run a for profit college, you want to look at

469
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Speaker 1: the people who are on the education committees, and you

470
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Speaker 1: want to look at people within the Department of Education

471
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Speaker 1: that maybe you can talk to, but mostly the it's

472
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Speaker 1: the it's it's the actual um politicians themselves whose influence

473
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Speaker 1: that you want because if you have somebody on that committee,

474
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Speaker 1: then you can kind of sway the bills that are

475
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Speaker 1: going to affect your industry because you you're heading it

476
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Speaker 1: off right there. Yeah, So okay, so um um, like

477
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Speaker 1: you said, I'm um divry Institute president. I don't know,

478
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 1: I'll just show that out of nowhere, right And I'm like, okay, Yo,

479
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: they talk about I don't know, we gotta retro fit

480
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 1: these buildings I'm gonna cost, Like you know what I'm saying.

481
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: You started thinking about like how much it's gonna cost.

482
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: So do I So do I hit lobbyists and go hey, Hony,

483
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: like hey, who you know it's so and so, like hey,

484
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 1: tell them dudes, like, man, I don't I won't need that.

485
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like what I what can

486
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 1: I do? What can I do? Yeah? To make it?

487
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 1: Just make make my bills a little bit smaller. Come on,

488
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying. So okay, that's dope. Okay,

489
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: So now I'm getting even a more picture of like

490
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: how to the two ways kind of work? Because again,

491
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Speaker 1: if you're that kid that I could always call like

492
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Speaker 1: the the guy that's on the end of I got

493
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: a guy, right, So you're the guy. So if I'm like, oh,

494
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: I got a homeboy that can like you are the homeboy. Yeah,

495
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: you're the one that's like I got you, Yeah, I

496
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: holl that so and so. But but that only works

497
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 1: if you deliver. Yeah. But also the hard part is

498
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Speaker 1: though too. I don't want to get too ahead of

499
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: myself because I just back to that point, right. So,

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Speaker 1: for example, and even in that example of education and

501
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: like more specifically pell grants, those are things that the

502
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: government spends money on to allow people like veterans or

503
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: other people to get college money. But if you're putting

504
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Speaker 1: money into like let's say a for profit college that

505
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: isn't really giving people the education you need, that isn't

506
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: gonna necessarily create somebody with the job skills that are

507
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: hirable that can justify giving the grant, because you're the

508
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: hope was the grant is going to create somebody with

509
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Speaker 1: the job skills to enter the job market and have

510
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: some upward mobility. So let's say you're of shy sty

511
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: fucking for profit college and you're like, all we do

512
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 1: is pressure these people into getting loans and ship and

513
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: we laugh them out the building when they say like

514
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: master's degree, and nobody hires me Like yeah you thought man. Yeah. So,

515
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: for example, if let's say a committee like an education

516
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: saying we need to do it, and we need to

517
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: do an analysis on the efficiency of PELL grants. The

518
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: last thing you fucking want is somebody looking into how

519
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Speaker 1: inefficient that program is, because that's that's your fucking cash flow.

520
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: So what do you do? If you're smart, you talk

521
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Speaker 1: to somebody who's either running ship in the Senate or

522
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Speaker 1: has massive influence in one of these chambers, or is

523
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Speaker 1: you know, the chairperson of a committee, and you're like, hey,

524
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: if something, if a bill like that comes across, you're

525
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: dead that ship the second you see it, because that's

526
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: it's gonna be ugly. Yes, So I'm but like, okay,

527
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: that's dope. So if I'm if I'm the guy on

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Speaker 1: this committee and I noticed crooked ass dude is hollering

529
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: at me, like okay, so you've fin a dirty my rep.

530
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: If I if everybody sees that this happens, or you

531
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Speaker 1: don't give a shit, it's yeah, it's it's so on

532
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: the open, it's normal. Yeah, that's the and I think,

533
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: and that's why we have such a problem with it.

534
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: It's not it's not a thing we're like, oh, did

535
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Speaker 1: you see him talking to that fucking lobbyists. No, it's

536
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: it's everybody is going because the same thing is going

537
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: to happen. They'll they'll talk to many people and say, hey,

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Speaker 1: my client would love to give you a max out

539
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: donation for this next election cycle. Oh my, you know,

540
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: and we were in exchange that we'd love for you

541
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: to meat or you'll do some ship like if they're

542
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: like nah, I'm good or whatever, you're like, we're actually

543
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: gonna give you an award. You know. There's so many

544
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: ways that this ship happens. Yeah, oh yeah, that's why

545
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,479
Speaker 1: people have these bullshit awards like that are essentially just

546
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: they're they're vapor where they're just stupid things to stroke

547
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: someone's ego, but really just curry more favor with somebody.

548
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: And at that point, as long as you have enough

549
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: sort of loyalty so to speak, it makes it easier

550
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,719
Speaker 1: to sort of act out the aims of your client.

551
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: And that's sort of what like, you know, there's like

552
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: a tired quote about sort of like you know, the

553
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: one number one goal for a lobbyes like I'm just

554
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: trying to get done what's best for my client no

555
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: matter what. And but again it's not looked at it

556
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: cynically because it's so such a normal part of the

557
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: process because there is also good lobby you know, there's

558
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: also stuff to say like we need things to like

559
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: reform bail and I want to talk to these people,

560
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But on the other side of it

561
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: is when you have industries that are multibillion dollar in

562
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: the stories, it also creates levels of lobbies for some

563
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: people are gonna be like, oh, you want to talk

564
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: to them because they control a lot of money, or

565
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: they control a lot of influence, because there's ways to

566
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: retaliate if you fall out of line. So that actually

567
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: leads to like one of my my next question of like,

568
00:31:54,400 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: is lobbying and politics just it's just inherently cursed, Like

569
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: it's just bad. And I think that this example you're

570
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: giving of, like there are important issues that you're trying

571
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: your best to like been that person's ear. I'm wondering

572
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: if it's like I mean, if it's if you're saying

573
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: lobbying is so out in the open and we noticed

574
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: just slash with money, what I look like appealing to

575
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: this person's morality about this issue when he's like, wow,

576
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: don't know this bail bond's place just offered me five

577
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: million dollars. You know what I'm saying, Like, is there okay, Well,

578
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's not always like sort of seen

579
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: as like oh, here comes this person with a bag

580
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: of cash. I mean, on on some level that's sort

581
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,239
Speaker 1: of the subtext, but just overall, like the idea, the

582
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: concept of it is to basically be able to have

583
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: access to the decision makers to help sway something in

584
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: one direction or another. So there is a certain benefit

585
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,719
Speaker 1: to lobbying too, because a lot of politicians don't have

586
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: expertise in the areas of maybe like energy or criminal

587
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: justice reform. So a lot of the times, if you

588
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: don't have staff around you who's focused on that and

589
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: knows the ins and outs, there is a benefit to

590
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: hear from somebody who can offer you some insight to

591
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: a very complex issue. Because we've seen how stupid these

592
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: politicians are. They don't know a lot of ship so

593
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: they it helps where people come through. But again that's

594
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: where it gets murky, because someone can come you know,

595
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: they're saying we need to look at this given issue,

596
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day they might just

597
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: be ending up writing the whole bill and then be like,

598
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: all right, now go find some people to vote for

599
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: this one, um, and then off you go. Um. And

600
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: that's where like a politician has also got to do

601
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: a little bit of their networking as well to be

602
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: able to you know, sort of find people that are

603
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: going to support a given piece of legislation and move

604
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: forward in the same way. Um. So it's like, yeah,

605
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: it can, it can, it can. Sort of it has

606
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: a broad spectrum, so it's not always you know, I

607
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: think it's when a lot of scandals come out and

608
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: you can actually hear what these people are sort of

609
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: cynically saying out in the open um, and it sort

610
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 1: of begins to kind of give people a clear picture

611
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: of what's going on there. They make for a good villain,

612
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: just like I mean, just like herschel Aali was, Yeah,

613
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: he's a villain in the in the show because you

614
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: knew when he showed up. You're like, oh fuck, yeah,

615
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: what the fund is remy here to say? Yeah. But

616
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: the part, yeah, the part that became so interesting to me,

617
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: especially like again using the lens of the show, was

618
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: like it's a good villain. But I'm also like God,

619
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: but I like that dude, Like you're like, yeah, you know,

620
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm like the guy that talked us

621
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: into like you said, we had no business. It was

622
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: this fool's idea. You know what I'm saying. That we

623
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: hopped in the car right, drove all the way up

624
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: to Lancaster. You know what I'm saying for this dumbass

625
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: party right that. I don't know how this nigga convinced us.

626
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: You know, I'm saying, but like we are, all of

627
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: our lives are endangered, but damn that was kind of

628
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 1: fun though, did Why didn't we? Yes? And it turns

629
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 1: out they just needed to ride home. You know, You're

630
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: just like you don't even know nobody there, like like

631
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: how are we here? And it's like, but am I

632
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: gonna call him next weekend? Yeah? Probably because he fun?

633
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: Like you know, that's the part to me that I'm like,

634
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: as it's such an interesting thing that happens in our

635
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: and and I imagine it's I imagine, like you said,

636
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Speaker 1: the way that you describe that kid to where you

637
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Speaker 1: like you're the smartest person on this block. I know

638
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: you angling for something. When you have an idea, you

639
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: got all these reasons why, And despite my better judgment,

640
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm still like, god, oh, he kind of kind of

641
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: makes sense though he seemed like, you know what he's

642
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: talking about, you know what I'm saying, And I'm like,

643
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: what a that's to me? It's like, that's a person,

644
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying like that, And I feel

645
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: like that kids at every tape, every lunch table. I

646
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: don't care what little sub genre you in, and you

647
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But the interesting thing is like,

648
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: and it's not, but there's a whole thing behind this

649
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: one guy. Yeah, And that's the So it's seemingly one guy, yeah,

650
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 1: but this person has they're they're they're hooked up, they're connected,

651
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: they know, they have ways to gather, you know, Like

652
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: I think that's the interesting thing is just on the

653
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: other side, right, Like if a lobbyist comes and it's

654
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: like saying, oh, you know, we'd love to max out

655
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 1: to your campaign and things like that. You know that's

656
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: in this very narrow example, and you start doing some

657
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: ship that's going, you know, counter to what the people

658
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: who gave you a check did, then you might get

659
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 1: a someone might knock knock and pull up and say, hey,

660
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: what's going on? You know? I thought we were cool

661
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: that's strange because I mean, I'd hate to I'd hate

662
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: for someone to primary you before your next election. That

663
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: would just be awful, you know, because we you know,

664
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: there's there's I heard there's a scandal with your son

665
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: in law or something I just heard from because I

666
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: used Lexus Nexus illegally, but I just saw some ship

667
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: on there that I thought probably wouldn't be great if

668
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: it came out anyway, So let us know about the

669
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: next you know, the next vote that you have coming up,

670
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: because there are ways to you know, get politicians who

671
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: aren't in line with the aims of an industry like

672
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: out like and so that's why you see a lot

673
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: of especially politicians who are like have a backbone and

674
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 1: they're just like, yo, dude, I'm I can't be bought.

675
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: I'll fucking vote against your ass every time. Like no,

676
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: I'm here to actually do a service for people. They

677
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: don't last a lot of the time unless they're in

678
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: a really insulated district because outside money, this is the

679
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: other thing where lobbying comes in. There's dark money, there's

680
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: super PACs and ship like that that now suddenly have

681
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 1: all these ads popping up. You got robo calls, talking

682
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: about you all this other stuff that starts destabilizing your

683
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: district and your incumbency. So damn those are all kinds

684
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: of you know, that's what I'm saying that So you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Yeah, that's like, hey, I heard

686
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I just heard it, right, Like, hey,

687
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: they're saying. Look, that's what they're saying. That's not what

688
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's there, that's just out there. I mean,

689
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying the streets is watching. I'm like, I'm just

690
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: saying for you, homie, like if you're trying to still

691
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: be good, it's like I wouldn't do what you're doing

692
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: right now. I wouldn't. I'm not saying, but hey man,

693
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: you can do whatever the funk you want. Man, that's

694
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: all good man, because we all got to meet our

695
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: maker at some point. But yeah, go ahead. You're free.

696
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: You're free to do what you want. And I mean

697
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: it's like an exaggerated version, but that's how it works,

698
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,439
Speaker 1: you know. Like just when I would do like more

699
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: sort of outside influence kind of things, you start thinking

700
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 1: of like the op research you can do and looking

701
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: into what you can find out if there are things

702
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: to talk about if there's a like a narrative you

703
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: can create to start painting somebody as an unfit leader, legislator, etcetera,

704
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 1: and not like and that's just one of the many

705
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: tools like at People's disposal. I mean, there were even

706
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: times where you can straight up set politicians up, um

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00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: like you know, like let's say they're gonna go speak

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00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: out of high school and you start going, okay, you

709
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: can see their calendar and said, okay, this is their campaign.

710
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: They're about to go to this high school. Let me

711
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: go find out to see if I know anybody who

712
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: knows somebody who goes to the high school. And then

713
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: maybe give them a camera, maybe give them some questions,

714
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: maybe give them tell them to tell other kids about

715
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: some things they can ask this politician because there's gonna

716
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: be cameras around, and put them on the spot right

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00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 1: there in a place they didn't think someone was gonna

718
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: pop up on them and get them on camera saying

719
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: some dumb ship. And then you take that sound people

720
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: that you know that work in the newspaper, work in

721
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: the local news, and you say, yo, I need you

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00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: to run this ship because I can't believe they just

723
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: said that ship out loud, I don't think this person

724
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: can be it's fit for office, and then boom, you've

725
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: been got. So it's there's, it's, it's it's there's so much. Yeah,

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00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: that's coal is ice, and what's called about it is

727
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: how normal it is. Yeah. And I think that's where

728
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: I I started to get sour a little bit on

729
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: it because I was like, damn, it's so fucking cynical. Um.

730
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: But that's also meat. Like you know, going in two

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00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, two thousand nine, you know, Barack Obama,

732
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: change and all this ship and thinking like, oh, yeah,

733
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: it's probably it's different, or like it's something maybe moving

734
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: in in the right direction that will look after working

735
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: people and the marginalized. And you're like, all the people

736
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: that have the most face time with these decision makers

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00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: represent industries. They industries that are predicated on making sure

738
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: people aren't liberated. So you you ain't gonna get to

739
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: the table, no, no. And I think that's the other

740
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: I think that's really the funked up part about lobbying

741
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: is that it's just created this insulated world where only

742
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: the biggest money is truly going to have this guy.

743
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: That's why the fucking focus of Congress is so fucked

744
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: up half the time, like where they're going to spend

745
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: months talking about, well, we're doing debit card fees. That's

746
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: because these fucking lobbyists have too much access telling you

747
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: that's the be all, end all, when we're not looking

748
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: at real ship like decriminalizing drugs or other things like

749
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: things that it can end yeah, cultural benefit. So you

750
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: know it's it. It factors into so many of the

751
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: ills and you know, the suboptimal operation of our government

752
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: because there's too many distractions that can be injected through

753
00:41:48,680 --> 00:42:07,439
Speaker 1: lobby Okay, wow, so you gave us a lot here.

754
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: So again we're back in the jew I'm learning all

755
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: this stuff. We're back in the juvie. It's like, Okay,

756
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: you can talk somebody into anything. Um, you got a

757
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 1: whole network of people outside of this room. So when

758
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: you say, hey, that's what I'm gonna do, you can

759
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: deliver this. Um. And you also got the balls with

760
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: balls whatever guts, let's not, let's not let's be gender

761
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: neutral here. You got you got the guts in here

762
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: that got not you know what I'm saying to like,

763
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 1: if you gotta if you gotta pull triggers. If you

764
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: gotta make a call, you know what I'm saying, if

765
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: you got to run the mission on somebody to be like,

766
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: this fool is not putting their work. We need to

767
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: bust this discipline. And because this is what this is

768
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: what I need from you. And I'm not scared of you.

769
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: You know, if you're down to do that, Okay, if

770
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: you got if you got the stomach to do it,

771
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: then you'd probably be you could probably do this job

772
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: my lap. Okay, go ahead. Oh no. Just the other

773
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 1: thing is though, but the but more than that, these

774
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 1: lobbyists don't have agency though, you know what I mean.

775
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: They have the agency to maneuver how they have to

776
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: because because at the end of the day, they answer

777
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 1: to someone else. Answers to stimie, yeah, remi he answers

778
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: to the natural gas company, conglomerate. You're gonna answer to somebody. Yeah.

779
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: So that's where So that's really where it starts, is

780
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 1: that it's like the Koch brothers. They're like, you know,

781
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: if they tell you to run your ship, then it

782
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: is what it is because they have the resources and

783
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: they can get you. And so that's really how the

784
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: lobbyist is more like the you're just the your foot

785
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: soldier who you can trust thing. Yeah, yeah, but but

786
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: you know they're gonna get it done. But you know

787
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna get it done. But and they're not gonna

788
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna stick to the script and they're not gonna

789
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: start improving with it and fucking shut up. But at

790
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you know they're going to

791
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: deliver on what you need, because that's really how it

792
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 1: ends up. At the end of the day, the lobbyists

793
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: will be summoned by the client to say, what is

794
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: happening This person voted this way, this, this bill is

795
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: getting too much? What is happening out there? What are

796
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: y'all doing out there? Damn? And then so you gotta

797
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: dry down to Watts and figure out what the hell

798
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: happening down at Watts right exactly. And if you gotta unfortunately,

799
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: do whatever the funk you gotta do and maybe not

800
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: tell them how you did it, then yeah, maybe that happens,

801
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: but yeah, you're your you will your career will be

802
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: short if you don't deliver on those things. So that's

803
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: why it can get really murky or other people get

804
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 1: caught being really sloppy with it because they'll just do

805
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: ship like bribe people and then it's like that and

806
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: and that's sort of the art of it is because

807
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: even though everyone knows sort of what the deal is

808
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: like that obviously it's like there's money, there's it's all

809
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: transactional that you never wanted to arrive to the point

810
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: of like just a straight bribe because there's like rules

811
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: to ship, and so ship blow up in your face

812
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: real quick. So it's almost like you can never do

813
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: it like that. It may seem like the most efficient

814
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: way it's just maybe threatened somebody and then put a

815
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: pipe bag of cash in front of him. But that's

816
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: the art to it is that it's about creating all

817
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: this Yeah, and you start creating all these externals like damn,

818
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: somebody called CPS, aren't you? Oh yeah, dog get coming

819
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: to get you out chill. Yeah, like you know, like

820
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: like but you know what I mean, like how you

821
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: might you know, some grimy ship you might handle with.

822
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, neighbors are weird, I don't know whatever

823
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: the fuck you know. All I'm saying is there are

824
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: ways to ship. Happened that isn't coming from you, but

825
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: it's coming from you. Damn, Miles, that's a cold piece.

826
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: And I see why. You was like, I think I'll

827
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: start podcasting, yeah, just like comedy better. Like I was just, yeah,

828
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: it's more fun to be funny. Yeah. Because I started

829
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 1: out as an organizer, Yeah, because I liked talking to people.

830
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: I liked just you know, I could go to a

831
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: college campus and start being like, Okay, let me talk

832
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 1: to MITCHA, let me talk to like the Black student Union,

833
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: let me talk to this group of kids, let me

834
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: talk to the group of whatever it is. Because the

835
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: first campaign I worked on was one for like renewable energy,

836
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: and I was doing a lot of like campus organizing

837
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: for this, like ballot proposition in California to try and

838
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: get the energy mix like way super high, like and

839
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: be like sort of first in the nation with renewables.

840
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: And it was fun and I really like doing that.

841
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: I liked talking to people, like educating people. I like

842
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: to see that moment where like ship clicks and they're

843
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: like right, if we do this, like this helps the environment,

844
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: it is good for jobs, and like wow, the way

845
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 1: we make energy is so inefficient, like this is great,

846
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm motivated, and so I really liked doing that.

847
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: I really like speaking to people and and sort of

848
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 1: being able to influence them like that. So yeah, after

849
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: this um this campaign with this ballot initiative, like a

850
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: political strategy firm reached out through like other people that

851
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: I knew in politics and offered me a job to

852
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: work at this political strategy lobbying firm. And at that

853
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: point I was like, this is this could be dope,

854
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: Like you know, this is uh, this is an opportunity

855
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: I wouldn't get otherwise, Like I had no job prospects

856
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: because I graduated college in two thousand seven, and I

857
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: felt like, oh, this is something I can do and

858
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: apply like my knowledge of history and like, you know,

859
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: my desire to for a more equitable future. Like oh ship,

860
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: I didn't even I always thought I would do comedy

861
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: and stuff, but this might offer me an opportunity to

862
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: do something really worthwhile. And then I, you know, quickly

863
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: realized like I'm on the side of the I'm on

864
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: the dark side. Okay, So I guess lastly would be

865
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: like all right, so you got in on the organizing side,

866
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: which you know, especially like with a lot of the

867
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: young homies that I'm interfacing in like that part still

868
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: brings them life. It feels encouraging, It feels like you're

869
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: doing something, and you know, I can even think about

870
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: the times that like, you know, you feel like when

871
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: you it doesn't you're not doing anything if you're not

872
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: at the table, Like it feels like that sometimes, you know.

873
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: But you know, now coming out the other end of that,

874
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 1: I know, I know that's not necessarily how it works.

875
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: I understand, you know, stakeholders and stuff like that. Like

876
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: I get it now, but it took a few years too.

877
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 1: Took a lot of years to get to that place.

878
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: What would you say to some young sort of like

879
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: excited you know, future activists, Like again, we're still in

880
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: this juvenile all year, you know what I'm saying. That's like, like,

881
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: what would you say to that kid as far as

882
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: like because again, some of the one one of the

883
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: main purposes of the show is like I want to

884
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: on board kids like me and you that look just

885
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: like me and you into politics, you know what I'm saying,

886
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: So like, what would you say to them? Yeah, organize

887
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: your block. You know, if you look, there's gonna be

888
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: the companies that spend so much money bombarding people with

889
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: ads and ship like that, and that works. You know,

890
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: we've seen that that works. That misinformation and you know,

891
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: propaganda for lack of a better work that it works. Um,

892
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: And but there's also something to being able to mobilize

893
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: your community and get your community intact and in touch

894
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: with what's at stake. So yeah, while maybe running for

895
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 1: office is really glamorous, I think if you could say,

896
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: if I told if I just went around and made

897
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: three calls, I could get a hundred of my neighbors

898
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: to show up somewhere. Damn. Yeah, that's real power. That's real.

899
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: That's real power. Because I'll tell you this, lobbyists pay

900
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: for that kind of ship. They pay. That's that's why

901
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: they call lobbyists pay for that kind of ship. Listen,

902
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. Look here, you hear that little

903
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,720
Speaker 1: how many like that that out you got on your block,

904
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: that shot call it level you got on your block

905
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,280
Speaker 1: where you could make a call, get forty five fifty

906
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: heads onto the block right now. Lobbyists pay for that

907
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 1: for that, That's what And that's what happened with Obamacare,

908
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: you know, the Affordable Care Act. We had all this

909
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: astroturfing going on, which means astroturfing is fake grassroots. It's

910
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: fake it in grassroots the ship that we're I'm trying,

911
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: we're talking about that, we're trying to you know, get

912
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: people on to really organize, like your neighborhood or you're

913
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: a group of people your you know, your community. That's grassroots.

914
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: When they have these people showing up in costumes looking

915
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: like in seventeen seventy six and ship with their gags

916
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: and flags, and that's bullshit. That's paid that's paid less

917
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: because that and you talk to the people that are there,

918
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 1: they don't know why they're there. They oh, man, it's

919
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: all cap okay exactly. But you see some ship where

920
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: and again, this is what happened last summer. You saw

921
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: even organically, people just kind of knew, all, no, this

922
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: is this isn't some ship. I'm just gonna stand idly

923
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: by for I'm gonna get out in the streets. And

924
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,720
Speaker 1: that's that. God. People shook it to see that people

925
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: were organized, even organically, that they could just in numbers

926
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: show up in physical space to say we don't agree

927
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: with this or we don't like this. It's a it's

928
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: a lot different when you just get emails or calls.

929
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: You can ignore that ship. You see, you see bodies

930
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: in physical space. It's a whole other thing. And so

931
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: that's why I give it up to organizers. That ship

932
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: is so hard and in the most you know, high

933
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: stakes situations, organizers have come through to organize people to

934
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: properly know them about their own voting situations or to

935
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: know about like even if, for example, getting Jackie Lacey's

936
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: ass out as d A, a lot of people didn't

937
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: know because they go, what's this a black woman and

938
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: she's a Democrat, and we all, yeah, look like no,

939
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: she's protecting the fucking cops. She does. But the problem

940
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: is we don't connect enough people with the outrage. So

941
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: if people and and you know a lot of people

942
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: suddenly were like because the last summer, they're like, hmm

943
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: right there, let me look into it. Yeah, how do

944
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: cops keep getting away with this? Oh? Because the city

945
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: won't prosecute because they have a relationship with p D.

946
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: And that's how it works. But when people figured it

947
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: out now suddenly're like, oh, no, no, no, we don't

948
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: need this. She gotta go. Yeah. So that's that's real power,

949
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: is like connecting people to their own power because too

950
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: many of us are apathetic or just feel so fucking

951
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: disillusioned and powerless over the thing. And I get it

952
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 1: because you will look out there and you say, how

953
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: the fuck do we not have any kind of proper

954
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: you know, let's say, even gun legislations where we're just

955
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: trying to say, let's keep kids safe at schools. Just

956
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: that's simple, that's simple. But somehow these politicians are like, well,

957
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: they're starting to about they don't know about that ship.

958
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: But that's because the lobbyists got to them and they

959
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: know that if they don't, the n r A can

960
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 1: damn sure get a bunch of people to leave angry

961
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: voicemails and ship like that. And that's that's really one

962
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: of the ways that they're just scared. They're scared of

963
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: people showing up. So if you can get people to

964
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: show up, or if you can at least get people

965
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 1: to get on the same page if you that's fucking

966
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: that's real power. And at the end of the day,

967
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: even if you're getting violated by the police or the

968
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: fucking city or what things like that, if your network

969
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: is that tight, you can help each other out. There's

970
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: ways to figure there's ways to actually support your community

971
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,919
Speaker 1: because everyone is so networked and knows, you know, sort

972
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: of what's at stake. So I I honestly think, you know,

973
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: if you can, if you have the ability to get

974
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: your community together and get them in touch with the

975
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: things that are actually really important to your future, and

976
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 1: get them to understand that, like going places and and

977
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: and supporting each other and and protesting and things like that,

978
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: that's that that's real fucking power. And that's unfortunately, that's

979
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: why you see, especially conservatives, they always accuse uh, you know,

980
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: people of color or whatever, or anyone who's out there, progressives,

981
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: leftists who've come out to support a cause. They say, oh,

982
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: they're paid. They're paid. They're paid because that's what they do.

983
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: And the left does it too. The Democrats will do

984
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: it too here and there. But not enough people can

985
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: get connected with the outrage for them to show up

986
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 1: for healthcare. I mean, now, with all the propaganda and misinformation,

987
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: they are definitely are showing up, but that's for like

988
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,919
Speaker 1: a whole other funked up reason that they're not even

989
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: really sure of. But to connect people to that sort

990
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: of sense of purpose, that's again, that's the real power.

991
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 1: And again, and you know what, you might be one

992
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: of those people who sells your community out because someone said, hey,

993
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: if you can get people here, I'll give you sixty dollars.

994
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: You know, but it is money, I guess. But yeah, wow, Miles,

995
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: I think this might be shaping up as one of

996
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: the most important episodes we've done. I appreciate you so

997
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: much for taking his time. Oh yeah, anytime, anytime. I

998
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 1: mean I haven't even barely scratched the surface. Dark Dark

999
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: Money a whole other episode. That's a whole other episode.

1000
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: We okay, we're gonna do dark Money. Damn yeh come

1001
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: back because it's really fucked up again, you know, we do.

1002
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: You hear the term lobbyists, and it's a really nebulous term,

1003
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 1: like it can mean so many things, but essentially it's

1004
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: about groups that try to exert influence on decision makers

1005
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: and it happens in many different ways. But to know

1006
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: that when we're trying to actually further bills and things

1007
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: like that, you look at even people like Joe Manchin

1008
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: and Kirsten Cinema who are in the Senate right now,

1009
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: who are holding a lot of even just the most

1010
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:37,240
Speaker 1: basic ship like voting bills back. Yeah, there. The reason

1011
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: they're not budging is because someone's in their ear. No

1012
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: one is knowing. They don't have a real ideological argument

1013
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,919
Speaker 1: against although they'll try and articulate one, but it's that's

1014
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: not what's going on. It's that there is just a

1015
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: complex network of influencers that work on, you know, the

1016
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: realities of these politicians that keep them sort of in line.

1017
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: And it was the same thing you heard. I don't

1018
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 1: know if you saw those leaked um I think it's

1019
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 1: ex on mobile calls that came out from the BBC

1020
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: or that one that one lobbyist straight up says, yeah,

1021
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: oh yeah, we work with Joe Manchin all the time,

1022
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, we know what time it is, Like

1023
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: that's how it works. He just said it out loud

1024
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: like that, that's our dude. Yeah yeah, oh yeah, we

1025
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: love them. Yeah, we work with a great guy, great guy.

1026
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, we're working on something else with them right now.

1027
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: It's like, that's that's how it all. It all comes together.

1028
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: And I think if people knew that it wasn't just

1029
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: like these tired ass politicians making decisions and that that

1030
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: there's people just kind of fucking pushing them around until

1031
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 1: them like a better deliciou, it would be a lot

1032
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: easier to figure out that, like, oh, we actually need

1033
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 1: a lot of reform, especially as it relates to a

1034
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: campaign finance and things like that, because it's not a

1035
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: level playing field. Facts. I'm blown away, bro, I'm blown away.

1036
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 1: Thank you again, Miles, Thank you for having me yo

1037
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,959
Speaker 1: show tow to uh the way they can find us

1038
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: and all that good Miles of Gray Twitter, Instagram, Go

1039
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: to check out the Daily Zeitgeist. That's a daily politics

1040
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: news culture, you know, comedy show I do every day. Uh.

1041
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Speaker 1: And if you and if you need something not so heavy,

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Speaker 1: check and you like ninety day Fiance. I got a

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1044
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Speaker 1: smoking on that TLC pack and it's it's a good

1045
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Speaker 1: old time. I gotta, I gotta. I got a big

1046
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Speaker 1: dark money pack over here. Smoke on? Did we can

1047
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: smoke on? All right? Well man, Thank you again. Appreciate you, y'all.

1048
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Speaker 1: This mug was recorded and edited by me Propaganda right

1049
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1050
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1051
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1052
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Speaker 1: Politics Pod, where we'll be trying to make takes on

1053
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Speaker 1: stuff that aren't really big enough for a whole episode,

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Speaker 1: but definitely needs a little bit of clarity. This mug

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Speaker 1: was scored, edited, mixed, and mastered by the one and

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Speaker 1: only Headlights. Y'all, go follow my dog Matt. I was Swelski.

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Speaker 1: I still don't know how to say his name. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad he changed it to Headlights. Follow him on his

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Speaker 1: socials at Headlights. Underscore music telling you hear all these

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Speaker 1: new other fly tracks. This food be making, and the

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Speaker 1: theme music was done by the one and only Gold

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Speaker 1: Tips Gold Tips d J Shawn Pte. Y'all remember every

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Speaker 1: time you check in. If you understand the Hood, you

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Speaker 1: could understand politics. Shouts to I Heart Media for making

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Speaker 1: this happen. Amo