WEBVTT - All The Coal Kids Are Doing It: Larry Wayne Price Jr.

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 3>Aaron Burnett yells, so and so, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Love seeing the smile on your face when you walk

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<v Speaker 2>in the door. Sometimes, thanks, I mean all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I like seeing it. But like sometimes you walk in

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<v Speaker 2>with a smile. You don't always walk in with a smile,

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<v Speaker 2>but I always like it when you do.

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<v Speaker 3>It's drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>Well keep doing it because I've been hitting this.

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<v Speaker 3>New street drug called Adville. Oh yeah, good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you like that?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>The kid's pushing it on you nice.

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<v Speaker 3>I like to ride the vill.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a question for you. Yes, do you know

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<v Speaker 2>it's ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 3>I do know it's ridiculous. Let me give you a

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<v Speaker 3>little backstory. This isn't going to take a whole long.

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<v Speaker 3>I officiated a friend's wedding a few years back, and

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<v Speaker 3>another friend of mine Lisa, Lisa, if you're listening, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>about to tell the story. We're talking the night before,

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<v Speaker 3>and I told her that when I was doing the

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<v Speaker 3>you know, officiating, I was gonna before I got up,

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<v Speaker 3>rub chocolate pudding across my teeth and do the whole

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<v Speaker 3>ceremony like that. And then she was calling me old

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<v Speaker 3>pudden tooth and we oh, we laughed, Saren, Saren, we laughed.

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<v Speaker 3>We still talk about it occasionally this day, Old Pudden Tooth,

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<v Speaker 3>So keeping that in mind, there's a toothcare brand called

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<v Speaker 3>His Smile, And I think I've talked about them before

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<v Speaker 3>doing stuff probably, And so you think, like, well, if

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<v Speaker 3>I was old Pudden tooth, I need to use toothpaste

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<v Speaker 3>to get the pudding off my teeth before I officiated

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<v Speaker 3>a wedding.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I'm so praying this is not a mashup.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the Lord doesn't always answer her boy's prayers because

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<v Speaker 3>His Smile has teamed up with Reeses to offer Reese's

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<v Speaker 3>like peanut butter cup toothpaste, so.

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<v Speaker 2>To be like a cadberry egg Easter thing.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's just peanut butter cup toothpaste, so you too

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<v Speaker 3>can be old put in tooth? Do you put it?

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<v Speaker 3>It tastes like recy cups, but with a cool finish,

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<v Speaker 3>as they say, so it's it's sugar free, don't worry

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<v Speaker 3>about it has floride in it. Sorry RFK parents, It

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<v Speaker 3>says it delivers the signature Reese's flavor, although I prefer

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<v Speaker 3>the Southern pronunciation of recy cups up front before finishing

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<v Speaker 3>with his smiles cooling after feel it's only his.

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<v Speaker 2>Smile is just interesting branding.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a lot going on there, like yeah, but also

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<v Speaker 3>it reminds me of those ads like during football season

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<v Speaker 3>where it's like, oh, we got to be nice to

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<v Speaker 3>each other and it's like an ad for Jesus. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>his smile sounds like Jesus toothpaste, like because it's capital.

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<v Speaker 2>H okay, like the Lord's smile.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but not in this case because it looks like

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<v Speaker 3>it looks like lot when you put it on there.

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<v Speaker 3>And so here's the thing. You can only get it

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<v Speaker 3>in Australia and New Zealand via his smile website. So

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<v Speaker 3>they're attacking the Southern hemisphere first before they.

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<v Speaker 2>Move north, doing some test marketing down there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So if you want to be put in tooth jones,

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<v Speaker 3>this is a way to do it and clean your

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<v Speaker 3>teeth at the same time. And for anyone listening in

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<v Speaker 3>New Zealand and Australia, do not spend the money to

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<v Speaker 3>send this to us. I love when you guys do

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<v Speaker 3>stuff like that, but please don't give them any money.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't encourage this, and that, my friends, is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>It is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Put in tooth Jesus toothpaste.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know then what hell is ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 3>Ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 2>The price of a new home in America, Oh God

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<v Speaker 2>tell me right. And some people, Elizabeth will do anything,

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<v Speaker 2>and I mean anything to own their dream home. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean anything. Oh no, this is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 4>Crime A podcast about absurd and outrages, capers, heists, and cons.

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<v Speaker 4>It's always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred

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<v Speaker 4>percent ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Elizabeth Sara.

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<v Speaker 2>Today, I want to tell you a story about a

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<v Speaker 2>dream home. Okay, not like a Barbie dream home, like

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<v Speaker 2>a real.

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<v Speaker 3>Dream actual Like I have dreams about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I guess you might call it a castle a dreams. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and what one man was willing to do to afford

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<v Speaker 2>his dream castle. Now, I know you have frequent flyer

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<v Speaker 2>mileage on that website Zillow. Like you love zillo right,

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<v Speaker 2>do I love it?

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<v Speaker 3>It's so good If you're nosy.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, right, you show me you send me text

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<v Speaker 2>messages about it, and I'm like, yeah, sometimes I look

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<v Speaker 2>not always sometimes I do like if if you sell

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<v Speaker 2>it well enough, yeah, Like I just don't find the

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<v Speaker 2>same delight you do. But I respect your game, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So I went to Zillo for this story. Nice, and

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<v Speaker 2>I want to show you something.

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<v Speaker 3>You've never been walking down the street and looked at

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<v Speaker 3>the house and then like, I wonder what the story

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<v Speaker 3>is there?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you mean the story? Like the cost or

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<v Speaker 2>like how many bedrooms they have inside?

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<v Speaker 3>The history? What are you paying in Texas? When was

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<v Speaker 3>it last purchase?

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<v Speaker 2>What would be your mortgage payment?

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<v Speaker 3>Did you not have the realtor scrub it so that

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<v Speaker 3>the listing descriptions are still in there in all forty pictures?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah, good call. You know so, I know that

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<v Speaker 2>this is not a visual medium per se, but here

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<v Speaker 2>I am.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gone.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to call up a page on because you

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<v Speaker 2>need to see this dream house, I mean dreamcastle. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to show you some picks and if you don't mind,

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<v Speaker 2>if you could describe what you see. And now, if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to play along, you can go to Zillo

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<v Speaker 2>and check out the address. The dream Castle is located

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<v Speaker 2>at fifty six fifty Canyon Woods. That's canyon woods like

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<v Speaker 2>trees all one word canyon Woods drive in Billings, Montana. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>zip code five nine one zero six. Okay, No, this

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<v Speaker 2>home was built in twenty fourteen, so keep that in mind. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Now away we go.

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<v Speaker 3>M Dreamcastle sounds like it's nineteen eighty six and like

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<v Speaker 3>you're a junior high kid who's all into like fantasy

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<v Speaker 3>heavy metal, and that's the name of your band, Dreamcastle,

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<v Speaker 3>dream Castle.

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<v Speaker 2>So there you go. There's the opening slide. Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 2>now go to slide the second slide, and Elizabeth, can

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<v Speaker 2>you describe what you're looking at this?

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<v Speaker 3>This looks like a ski resort that like Cosner invested

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<v Speaker 3>in and then forgot about. It's like, wait a second,

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<v Speaker 3>what is Is it all hand hewn from the rocks

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<v Speaker 3>around it? It's kind of it's all it's stone work

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<v Speaker 3>on the outside, all.

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<v Speaker 2>Stone work on the It's a castle. It has like

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<v Speaker 2>a whole stone tower. It has a mode.

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<v Speaker 3>You could say that.

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<v Speaker 2>So check a few other slides and but stop whatever

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<v Speaker 2>one catches your eye. But tell me when you get

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<v Speaker 2>to the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Looks like, you know, I've never been in a Great

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<v Speaker 3>Wolf lodge, but if this is a Great Wolf, looks

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<v Speaker 3>like a ski resort like outside of Tahoe.

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<v Speaker 2>Right to the laundry room.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, there's a good laundry room. These people do their

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<v Speaker 3>own laundry.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll notice it has three side by side washing machines

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<v Speaker 2>and dryers.

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<v Speaker 3>There's so many kitchens.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, we'll come back to.

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<v Speaker 3>That, and like everything's beige.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you gotten to the three side by side.

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<v Speaker 3>Washing I'm looking at like the you know, the the

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<v Speaker 3>office with all the empty shelving where books would be.

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<v Speaker 3>But these probably don't own books, are.

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<v Speaker 5>There?

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<v Speaker 2>It is? Yeah? There you go.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So there's everything by the way, is like pre

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<v Speaker 3>manufactured cabinetry, and then like marble floors, marble counters, and

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<v Speaker 3>then three washer dryer systems like stacks sacked okay, and

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<v Speaker 3>I love that they have to illustrate folded towels on

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<v Speaker 3>the table. Man, you can't put books on the bookshelves.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep going and tell me when you get to the

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<v Speaker 2>bowling alley.

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<v Speaker 3>No, okay, yeah, now this.

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<v Speaker 2>Double bowling alley.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, this must be just riveting for people.

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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't it look like somewhere you'd bowl if you're

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<v Speaker 2>in the home of like a Las Vegas casino owner.

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<v Speaker 3>Very much so, because it's part of it is like

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<v Speaker 3>what I'm trying to describe to people here is that

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<v Speaker 3>it's not so much like an organic decor of like

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<v Speaker 3>you build a house. This looks like the inside of

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<v Speaker 3>like you're saying, like a casino. So it has like

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<v Speaker 3>plank wood walls that are artificially distressed, and so you're there.

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<v Speaker 3>They run lengthwise on the wall, so it's like you're

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<v Speaker 3>in an old barn, but you're also bowling. And then

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<v Speaker 3>there's acoustic ceilings like I don't know what's happening here.

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<v Speaker 2>Slide a couple of more frames ahead and see, tell

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<v Speaker 2>me when you get to the shooting ring.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I'm at the shooting ring.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a legit indoor shooting rang. Okay, can you go

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<v Speaker 2>full John Wick in there?

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<v Speaker 3>It's terrifying, yes, But also on the walls, it looks

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<v Speaker 3>like that there's nothing in those racks. But I swear

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<v Speaker 3>to god, those look like wine wracks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they took all the shooting ring. They took all

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<v Speaker 2>the guns out.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just going to pretend that's a shooting range. Slash sell.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Slide a couple ahead and tell me when you get

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<v Speaker 2>to the screening room.

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<v Speaker 3>Well there's okay, yeah, because I see there's one that's

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<v Speaker 3>like has Oh there's a golf room with like the

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<v Speaker 3>screening because God forbid you go outside.

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<v Speaker 2>I wait till we get out.

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<v Speaker 3>Get is Kevin Costner going to pop out of one

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<v Speaker 3>of these things? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think about those shiny leather high back recliners.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh Now, personally I would have couches. You know, that's

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<v Speaker 2>something company to say, like leather recliners.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it goes with the fake stars on the ceiling.

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<v Speaker 2>But what do I know? I don't have a screening room.

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<v Speaker 3>The gym. There you go the gym the comedy like

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<v Speaker 3>twenty People.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like something that you find in an upscale

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<v Speaker 2>business hotel.

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<v Speaker 3>It does right at it, Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like it's the kind of it's the sort of

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<v Speaker 2>gym equipment that you would use when you're about to

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<v Speaker 2>be harassed by the sales manager for like some company.

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<v Speaker 3>Or I imagine it. Outside the door, there's like a plaque

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<v Speaker 3>on the wall that's like, yes, you know, gym equipment

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<v Speaker 3>by Equinox. Like it's like a spinoff.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, how about that cave dining area? Did you get

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<v Speaker 2>to that yet?

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<v Speaker 3>The little grotto?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like somewhere you'd eat a meal just before

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<v Speaker 2>you get killed by Benicio del Toro.

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<v Speaker 3>I wish right, go to the.

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<v Speaker 2>Tennis courts and the private three hole golf range.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm looking at the outside. God, this place. It totally

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<v Speaker 3>looks like a like a resort where you go for

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<v Speaker 3>like a corporate retreat. You find out the rooms are

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<v Speaker 3>supposed to be like eight hundred dollars a night, but

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<v Speaker 3>your events person was like, don't worry, we got it

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<v Speaker 3>for like one hundred and fifty. I kind of see

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<v Speaker 3>why it's off season. It smells a little mill. Do

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<v Speaker 3>you over in the sense of the building. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 3>see like the ground do.

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<v Speaker 2>You see yeah? Do you get outside yet? You're outside?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm outside.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you see that the tennis the double tennis courts

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<v Speaker 2>and the three hole ball?

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<v Speaker 3>You know that's pickleball. That's not These people don't play tennis,

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<v Speaker 3>no offense, pickleball.

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<v Speaker 2>This is kind of set up you get if you

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<v Speaker 2>sell missiles by the billions to the US government, you

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<v Speaker 2>get this house.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>You haven't defense contractor money.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, this whole thing, it's just so it's so

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<v Speaker 3>bland and yet like ostentatious but bland.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it somehow strikes you're a big balance.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if you're going to be the eccentric multi millionaire

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<v Speaker 3>and have this enormous place which I don't even know.

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna have to tell me how many square feet this?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I got all that for you. I know

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<v Speaker 2>you care about.

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<v Speaker 3>All I think is like, well, what's your electricity?

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<v Speaker 2>You have? You have a whole step You're not thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about the electricity.

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<v Speaker 3>I know. But it's like, if you're going to do that,

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<v Speaker 3>then like go for it. I like when people have

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<v Speaker 3>the wacky houses where it's like it looks really crazy,

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<v Speaker 3>like it looks nice and and we'll put together outside

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<v Speaker 3>and you go in and then there's one room that's

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<v Speaker 3>just like bright red and gold and terrifying.

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<v Speaker 2>I want people to like do what Elvis did at Graceland,

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<v Speaker 2>which is just make it your own, like have a.

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<v Speaker 3>Jungle room exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, now that you've seen the dream House, Dreamcastle, Elizabeth, how.

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<v Speaker 3>Many garages this place? And what cars are outside?

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<v Speaker 2>If you had to guess, how much would you say

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<v Speaker 2>this house is worked?

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<v Speaker 3>And you said it's in Boise Billings Billings? Okay, so

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<v Speaker 3>they have a higher market out there because of people

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<v Speaker 3>like Kevin Costner. Yeah, here, how many acres is it?

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<v Speaker 2>I'll break it down for you, because here's a quick

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<v Speaker 2>rundown of the specs. That place boasts ten bedrooms, nineteen bathrooms.

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<v Speaker 2>There's fifteen full bathrooms, four houses, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>You could have nine friends over ten and b pooping

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<v Speaker 3>everyone everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, everyone poops to the same peak.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you could serve something that makes everyone sick from

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<v Speaker 3>one of your fifteen kitchens? No, No, they'll run. You're like,

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<v Speaker 3>don't worry, we've each got her up.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone take a bathroom. Your names are outside of your bathroom,

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<v Speaker 2>so we have This place has a personal and commercial elevators,

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<v Speaker 2>like for your deliveries, I suppose, or maybe for your staff.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So some of the features you've looked at right, there's

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<v Speaker 2>three pools, two outdoors, one indoor pool. Okay, there's the

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<v Speaker 2>two lane bowling alley, the private theater, screening room, the

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<v Speaker 2>golf simulator, the indoor shooting range. Of course, there's the

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<v Speaker 2>wine cellar. There's a full gym with locker rooms. Mind

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<v Speaker 2>you and Elizabeth, as you noted, since you love to cook,

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<v Speaker 2>there are multiple kitchens, both indoor and outdoor kitchens laural.

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<v Speaker 2>There's the three horrile golf course and the tennis courts,

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<v Speaker 2>along with some private hiking trails if you'd like to

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<v Speaker 2>get around that way. All in all, this dreamcastle is

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<v Speaker 2>thirty and forty three square feet seventy acre plot of.

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<v Speaker 3>Land, all right, seventy acres.

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<v Speaker 2>Somehow this place is listed as a single family residence,

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<v Speaker 2>which I find hilarious. So, now with all that info, Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 2>what would you expect to pay for this bad boy?

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<v Speaker 2>I was so hard to keep I had.

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<v Speaker 3>Keep thinking about, like, put it where it is? How

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<v Speaker 3>many acres seventy seventy acre plutty thousand square thirty thousand

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<v Speaker 3>square foot montana.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, multiple elevators, just own shooting range.

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<v Speaker 3>Twenty five million.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, you're good. Twenty six point nine million dollars. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's ten million more than it was listed for when

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<v Speaker 2>it was originally built.

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<v Speaker 3>And purchased twelve years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, if you wanted to do an estimated mortgage payment,

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<v Speaker 2>I looked into this. I love that one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty nine and eighty dollars a month. A month, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>a month, an insane amount of money for like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a salary, I would be happy with that

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<v Speaker 2>as my salary.

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<v Speaker 3>It would take me multiple years to pay one month.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly. And I forgot to know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm a little short one.

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<v Speaker 2>You mentioned your man, Kevin Costner. Okay, my man in

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<v Speaker 2>that place is located in Yellowstone County, Montana. Is it

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<v Speaker 2>in the city of Billings, Yeah, so Yellowstone Elizabeth Dutton.

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<v Speaker 3>Dude, I told you. I told you what happened the

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<v Speaker 3>other day. I was, actually I was. My mom was

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<v Speaker 3>visiting and I was at the airport with her and

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<v Speaker 3>someone was like, oh, Dutton is Yellowstone Totton And my

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<v Speaker 3>Mom's just like I was like, oh, dude, no, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't say that to her, got in front of her

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<v Speaker 3>and she and she said no, but her name's Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 3>And the guy was like, oh, I'm screwed. I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I've never seen the show get stuffed.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of crime in Minnesota or Montana rather, well, we

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<v Speaker 2>could talk about both. How much crime would you be

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<v Speaker 2>willing to do to own this dream castle in Yellowstone County, Montana?

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<v Speaker 3>I would say approximately zero.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't really expect you ever really answer.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not my joint, that's not my thing. But there

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<v Speaker 3>are people I could see how people would covet such at.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But that was the question for our Man of

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<v Speaker 2>the hour. How much crime do you do.

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<v Speaker 3>There's going to be a lot of crime, because okay,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's let's say you get what is it, twenty

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<v Speaker 3>six nine, twenty twenty seven million dollars And then as

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<v Speaker 3>I said, okay, so now you got the upkeep.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, oh yeah, so it's.

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<v Speaker 3>One hundred and fifty something, just sixty grand.

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<v Speaker 2>But for your three whole golf course.

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<v Speaker 3>All the maintenance outside, the cleaning crews you'd have to

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<v Speaker 3>inside just to constantly the windows circulating, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Just to clean the windows would be then thousands of months.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the water bill, no, forget about the water.

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<v Speaker 2>But you don't even want to see that h VAC.

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<v Speaker 3>All those giant rooms and are like three story rooms

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<v Speaker 3>and it's cold as bajeebers outside when it's snowing. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and you're trapped in there too, like.

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<v Speaker 2>The Overlook Hotel, like the shining like in there, Like I.

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<v Speaker 3>Have so much respect for people who can live in

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<v Speaker 3>snowy places, and I am just not one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you were not so. Our man of the hour,

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<v Speaker 2>he decided the answer to the question of how much

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<v Speaker 2>crime would he do? All of it, all.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the could It's like, give me more.

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<v Speaker 2>Now at present, Elizabeth this dreamcastle is still for sale.

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<v Speaker 2>The listing is not moving.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a live listing with all those pictures.

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<v Speaker 2>He has been on the market for two hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>sixty six days as of today.

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<v Speaker 3>All those high end properties, it's hard to move them.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Like if especially a Curt's like me and.

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<v Speaker 3>You like to poke around, you see that, like the

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<v Speaker 3>like crazy properties in like Wine Country or like San

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<v Speaker 3>Francisco Pacific Nights. They stay on the market for really long.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, sometimes like and then like they don't even

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<v Speaker 2>have like the decency to take it off after like

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<v Speaker 2>a year, they're like, oh, we're still hopeful, so about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably wants to look at this listing again. She's bored.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you do change your mind and you decide

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<v Speaker 2>to go full Beth Dutton and do crime in Montana, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're willing to embezzel, say twenty million dollars, you

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<v Speaker 2>could make an offer on this rare, one of a

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<v Speaker 2>kind dreamcastle. Okay, I'm just saying. So that's what our

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<v Speaker 2>Man of the hour day who I keep referring to

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<v Speaker 2>is our Man of the hour is.

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<v Speaker 3>Who is man?

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<v Speaker 2>His name is Larry Wayne Price Junior.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it Larry Wayne one word.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not like Mark Wayne Old Marquaine. That's how

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<v Speaker 2>I say it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Mark Wain.

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<v Speaker 2>That's your mama named Mark Wayne. He pronounced it Markwain,

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<v Speaker 2>So Larry Wayne. He was a forty two year old

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<v Speaker 2>father of six at the time of his criming. He

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<v Speaker 2>was a businessman who worked in the extractive industries that

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<v Speaker 2>run rampant in Montana. In particular, he ran surface operations

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<v Speaker 2>for an underground coal mine near round Up, Montana.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, this is the mineral rights and that totally extraction,

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<v Speaker 3>like clearing people's pores.

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<v Speaker 2>No, is that what they call that? I think so,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd figure like tooth extraction. Its only distraction.

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<v Speaker 3>He's just a tooth guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Bigger, big, big in the dentistry. So, Larry Wayne Price Junior,

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<v Speaker 2>it was more than any like simple description might convey.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the man, he contained multitudes, Elizabeth. For instance, he

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<v Speaker 2>was the owner operator of hog Pit Cycles. That's hog

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<v Speaker 2>h a w G. Hog Pit Cycles. There's a motorcycle shop,

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<v Speaker 2>Harley David's.

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<v Speaker 3>For weekend Warriors. It's like he sells the Harley Fat

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<v Speaker 3>Boys to like total you know, insurance salesman exactly. I

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<v Speaker 3>know the tight so.

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<v Speaker 2>That's our man of the day. Real estate appreciator, motorcycle salesman,

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<v Speaker 2>hog rider, corrupt mining entrepreneur, and business partner to Vladimir

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<v Speaker 2>Putin's inner circle.

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<v Speaker 3>Whoah, yeah, that came.

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<v Speaker 2>Out that right, and I forgot. He's also a man

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<v Speaker 2>who decided maybe I should try to fake my own

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<v Speaker 2>death or at least his own kidnapping. He's a fun one.

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<v Speaker 2>This story is about again, all kinds of while, Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 2>But first it's like a little break now that I've

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<v Speaker 2>broken the ice. And when we're back, we'll hear all

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<v Speaker 2>about how Larry Wayne Price Junior like to get down.

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<v Speaker 3>I cannot wait.

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<v Speaker 2>We're back, Elizabeth, we are back. You're ready to get

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<v Speaker 2>down and dirty with Larry Wayne.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, totally young again.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess we should start with the coal industry of Montana.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, are we going to go back to Memo sec

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<v Speaker 3>You're not going to go back to go back to

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<v Speaker 3>like prehistoric times?

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no. I won't take you back to

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<v Speaker 2>the fifteenth century or to the Neolithic period of the

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<v Speaker 2>Paleolithic or any of that. No, right, we will stay

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<v Speaker 2>in this age. Okay, Elizabeth, what do you know about

0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:40.600
<v Speaker 2>coal mining in Montana? There is no wrong answer because personally,

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<v Speaker 2>my answer is it happens.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why I didn't know that Montana was like a

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<v Speaker 3>coal mining.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know. I think in West Virginia, I think, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't have Yeah, I mean there are plenty of

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<v Speaker 3>other places, Montana not one of them. But you know,

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<v Speaker 3>for a quick case I know they find dinosaur stuff there,

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<v Speaker 3>dinosaur country.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're always did in the dirty.

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<v Speaker 3>S down the dinosaurs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very active place, you guysers.

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<v Speaker 3>And one fuel. That's no, it's not, it's science.

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<v Speaker 2>For a quick case study. Let's get to know Signal

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<v Speaker 2>Peak Energy. Okay, according to coal Age Magazine.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I love that magazine.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a trade publication that covers the coal industry. As

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<v Speaker 2>you well know as a subscriber.

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<v Speaker 3>The centerfolds. Are you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 2>You've seen those rocks? Did you do that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>hurt that way? Did you like the new tote bag

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<v Speaker 2>for this year's subscriber?

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<v Speaker 3>Totally so?

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<v Speaker 2>From coal Age Magazine, we learned that quote Signal Peak

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<v Speaker 2>Energy operates the Bowl Mountain's mine near round Up, Montana. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>what else coal Age Magazine, Well, back to their coverage

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<v Speaker 2>last year twenty twenty three, Signal Peak Energy produced seven

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<v Speaker 2>point six million tons and they were ranked the highest

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<v Speaker 2>in the US as far as tons per man hour.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't this exciting?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, all of the names of stuff are so aggressively masculine.

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<v Speaker 3>Two of like hog rack and the Signal Peak exactly

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<v Speaker 3>target FeAs round up. Everyone's got cancer.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to I have no idea what most of

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<v Speaker 2>this means.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't matter. It sounds great. So for some context,

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<v Speaker 3>now you know what it's like to be me to

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<v Speaker 3>go through the day.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea what I recognize.

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<v Speaker 3>They're reading it. It's allowed and it sounds fabulous.

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<v Speaker 2>So for some context, here's Parker Phipps, president and CEO

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<v Speaker 2>of Signal Peak Energy. According to old Parker quote, what

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<v Speaker 2>makes these stats remarkable is that we did it while

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<v Speaker 2>mining in three different long wall panels. It was a

0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:38.360
<v Speaker 2>busy year for us. Normally we have a long wall

0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:41.920
<v Speaker 2>move every eighteen months. To know what that means, a

0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:44.160
<v Speaker 2>strip of coal that's like, you know, a few feet

0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:46.920
<v Speaker 2>and it's usually like you know, underground until they cut

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<v Speaker 2>down till they find this like like vein and it's like.

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<v Speaker 3>A mother load very kind of so kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>when you're eating ice cream and you get to like

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<v Speaker 3>the fudge ribbon.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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<v Speaker 3>So and then what is this guy's name?

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<v Speaker 2>Flipper Parker Phipps.

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<v Speaker 3>Parker Phipps. I feel like if I ever met him,

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<v Speaker 3>was like introduced to him, I would want to just

0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:12.320
<v Speaker 3>start pulling my hair and screaming, just like at the

0:23:12.440 --> 0:23:13.240
<v Speaker 3>top of my lungs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, since I know you want to know more about

0:23:19.160 --> 0:23:21.359
<v Speaker 2>long walls, I do, and why they had to move

0:23:21.640 --> 0:23:24.359
<v Speaker 2>Daddy moved the long walls. This was due to environmental

0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:27.840
<v Speaker 2>impact studies that are required to access federally controlled coal,

0:23:27.880 --> 0:23:30.879
<v Speaker 2>because they were not anymore they're drilling on federally controlled lands.

0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:34.159
<v Speaker 2>This is all important because the reason why this was

0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:38.480
<v Speaker 2>disappointing for Signal Peak Energy back to coal Age magazine

0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:41.880
<v Speaker 2>and I quote the restriction on mining federal coal within

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<v Speaker 2>their mind plan was a setback for a company that

0:23:44.600 --> 0:23:48.760
<v Speaker 2>was turning the page on legacy management issues several years ago.

0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:52.840
<v Speaker 2>Management at the mine was clearly heading in the wrong direction. Now,

0:23:52.960 --> 0:23:55.480
<v Speaker 2>this Elizabeth is what we call a sly reference to

0:23:55.880 --> 0:23:59.159
<v Speaker 2>Larry Wayne Price Junior. Oh yes, and how he nearly

0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:03.040
<v Speaker 2>ruined the repute and business prospects of Signal Peak Energy

0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:06.800
<v Speaker 2>with his legal shenanigans. Now, to be fair to Signal

0:24:06.840 --> 0:24:09.119
<v Speaker 2>Peak Energy, it seems to be the sort of business

0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:12.359
<v Speaker 2>that attracts some nefarious characters. And I'm talking coal mining

0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:15.639
<v Speaker 2>and the extractive industries. For instance, he was doing business

0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:17.520
<v Speaker 2>with a man who the Treasury Department claims is a

0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:21.000
<v Speaker 2>member of Vladimir Putin's inner circle. This requires a little

0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:24.960
<v Speaker 2>context though, So back to old Parker Phipps, CEO.

0:24:24.800 --> 0:24:26.800
<v Speaker 3>Signal Peak Energy, He's just spilling it.

0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:28.879
<v Speaker 2>In a New York Times story, he was quick to

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<v Speaker 2>point out to the quote tremendous amount of litigation that

0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:36.080
<v Speaker 2>was filed against the energy company, which was tricky to

0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:38.320
<v Speaker 2>pursue in court since the company was owned by two

0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:41.000
<v Speaker 2>shell companies, not one, but two that acted as an

0:24:41.080 --> 0:24:43.800
<v Speaker 2>umbrella for many out of state and by out of state,

0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:47.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean foreign co owners. So you see Elizabeth. Back

0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:49.960
<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and eight, there was this Ohio based billionaire,

0:24:50.040 --> 0:24:53.920
<v Speaker 2>Wayne Boych, owner of Boyitch Companies. He partnered with First

0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:56.520
<v Speaker 2>Energy Corporation to buy a coal mine in the Bowl

0:24:56.600 --> 0:24:59.720
<v Speaker 2>Mountains in Montana, which we're discussing. They named their joint

0:24:59.760 --> 0:25:03.800
<v Speaker 2>venture your Signal Peak Energy. Now, two years into operation.

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<v Speaker 2>They brought on another co owner, the Gunver Group. I

0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:10.639
<v Speaker 2>always want to say governor gun For gun Vo r

0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:14.200
<v Speaker 2>gun For Group. That company is a foreign oil commodities

0:25:14.240 --> 0:25:17.600
<v Speaker 2>trading firm that's registered in Cyprus, so you know they're.

0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:19.160
<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The Gunver Group was co owned by a man named

0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:25.560
<v Speaker 2>Jenndy Timchenko. He's interesting because he's a Russian Ola gark

0:25:25.640 --> 0:25:29.320
<v Speaker 2>a billionaire who's a close confident of Vladimir Putin. He

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<v Speaker 2>was also instrumental partner for Signal Peak Energy.

0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:35.879
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, that is Aaron. I'm putting the red thread

0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:38.080
<v Speaker 3>on the wall right now. It's all ties too.

0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:40.040
<v Speaker 2>So this was all going great right up until the

0:25:40.160 --> 0:25:43.920
<v Speaker 2>US State Department placed sanctions on Putin linked Russian Ola

0:25:44.000 --> 0:25:46.320
<v Speaker 2>garcs like tim Chenko. Yeah, and thus he had to

0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:49.200
<v Speaker 2>distance himself from the Gunver Group, and the US Treasury

0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:52.879
<v Speaker 2>Department reported the quote Putin has investments in Gunver and

0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:55.359
<v Speaker 2>may have access to gun For funds. So this may

0:25:55.560 --> 0:25:58.400
<v Speaker 2>literally be money that Putin was pulling out of Montana.

0:25:58.440 --> 0:26:01.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm personally benefiting from. That's not me saying, that's US

0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:04.840
<v Speaker 2>Treasury Department right. Anyway, Soon enough, the Gunver Group claimed

0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:09.400
<v Speaker 2>that tim Chenko absolutely zero involvement with gunviter in any way.

0:26:09.640 --> 0:26:12.320
<v Speaker 2>That's their direct quote now at that. And they also

0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:16.439
<v Speaker 2>had there was reported connections between Gunver Group, Timchenko and Putin,

0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:19.320
<v Speaker 2>and they claimed that those are old and entirely baseless.

0:26:19.640 --> 0:26:21.520
<v Speaker 2>So deal with that what you will.

0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:25.119
<v Speaker 3>Meanwhile, have you seen this window lease step forward?

0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:28.240
<v Speaker 2>Do you know what defenis street means? No, you're about

0:26:28.280 --> 0:26:31.680
<v Speaker 2>to learn. So, meanwhile, there's the American owners, the First Energy,

0:26:31.720 --> 0:26:34.720
<v Speaker 2>in the Boych group. They were also considered hinky as hell.

0:26:35.200 --> 0:26:38.040
<v Speaker 2>In twenty twenty one, First Energy admitted that the company

0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:41.760
<v Speaker 2>had been paying millions in bribes to state legislators as

0:26:41.840 --> 0:26:44.280
<v Speaker 2>well as regulators in order to get approval for a

0:26:44.480 --> 0:26:48.720
<v Speaker 2>one billion dollar bailout intended for nuclear and coal fired

0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:51.920
<v Speaker 2>power plants that were aging and needed upgrades. So they're like, hey,

0:26:52.280 --> 0:26:55.840
<v Speaker 2>we've been bribing the regulators and the legislators to get

0:26:55.880 --> 0:26:58.840
<v Speaker 2>ourselves this. Now, with a company admitted to this culture

0:26:58.880 --> 0:27:01.800
<v Speaker 2>of corruption, the the prior Department of Justice, not the

0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:05.440
<v Speaker 2>one that's currently operating under that same name, fine First

0:27:05.640 --> 0:27:09.720
<v Speaker 2>Energy two hundred and thirty million dollars for their bribery case. Yeah,

0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:12.480
<v Speaker 2>that was the fine. Two hundred and thirty million dollars.

0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:13.640
<v Speaker 2>That's kind of high.

0:27:13.800 --> 0:27:14.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:27:14.080 --> 0:27:16.359
<v Speaker 2>Now, I bring all this up to provide context for

0:27:16.480 --> 0:27:18.560
<v Speaker 2>why are crimer of the day thought he could maybe

0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:21.920
<v Speaker 2>wet his beacon, embezzle some millions upon millions in order

0:27:21.960 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 2>to buy himself a dreamcastle.

0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:25.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're all doing it right, I mean, so let's

0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:25.960
<v Speaker 3>get back.

0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:29.080
<v Speaker 2>To Larry Wayne Price Junior. Yes, Now, he'd gotten his

0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:31.440
<v Speaker 2>start in the extractive industries when he worked in the

0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:36.080
<v Speaker 2>coal fields of southwest Virginia. Not West Virginia, but Southwest.

0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:38.080
<v Speaker 3>Virginia region, southern western Yeah.

0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:40.760
<v Speaker 2>Now, then in two thousand and nine, when Signal Peak

0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:43.399
<v Speaker 2>Energy was formed, he took a job with the company

0:27:43.480 --> 0:27:45.520
<v Speaker 2>and he moved out to Montana. He's like, oh, that's

0:27:45.560 --> 0:27:48.879
<v Speaker 2>where the action is, right, So he distinguishes himself as

0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:52.440
<v Speaker 2>his real go getter. He eventually ascends to the executive

0:27:52.480 --> 0:27:54.399
<v Speaker 2>suite and he's like, hey, I got my own key

0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:55.120
<v Speaker 2>to the washroom.

0:27:55.280 --> 0:27:55.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:58.960
<v Speaker 2>So he's promoted to be a vice president of surface operations.

0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:01.040
<v Speaker 2>So they don't trust him, like where the money is

0:28:01.080 --> 0:28:04.280
<v Speaker 2>happening underground He's like moving trucks around and put that.

0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:05.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:09.200
<v Speaker 2>So his career, it gets him close in with the

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:13.560
<v Speaker 2>Then CEO of Signal Peak Energy, a man named Bradley Hanson.

0:28:14.760 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 2>Bradley Hansen who this gave him, Larry Wayne Price Junior

0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:23.280
<v Speaker 2>lucrative opportunities to cut side deals with Signal Peak Energy

0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:24.760
<v Speaker 2>because he's in good with the CEO.

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:28.119
<v Speaker 3>He's like, oh yeah, So Larry Wayne like goes like

0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:32.200
<v Speaker 3>for business traveling like flies spirit and like sits down.

0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Like tosses his his cole age magazine, his.

0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:40.160
<v Speaker 3>Cole fancy magazine down and is like, yeah, you know,

0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:41.920
<v Speaker 3>like trying to like flex.

0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Out on everybody. Everyone knows he's got one.

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:45.800
<v Speaker 3>Of those giant bluetooth things there.

0:28:45.920 --> 0:28:50.800
<v Speaker 2>But one second, guys, I'm telling you it's gonna be great.

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:53.120
<v Speaker 2>You want to come out to my john Wick gun range.

0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:57.200
<v Speaker 2>So Larry Wayne, here's wine. He starts the side business

0:28:57.280 --> 0:29:00.160
<v Speaker 2>called three and then the number three three Solutions, and

0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:03.680
<v Speaker 2>that company struck deals with you guessed it, Signal Peak Energy.

0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:10.080
<v Speaker 2>He promised to sell the mining company industrial grade chemicals

0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:13.040
<v Speaker 2>that were used in the mining process. So basically the

0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 2>CEO is like, you know, we got this company, but

0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:16.480
<v Speaker 2>if you started a company and offered us you know

0:29:16.520 --> 0:29:19.880
<v Speaker 2>wherever they're getting better, Yeah, you'd be a vendor for

0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:22.320
<v Speaker 2>the company, we could kick you down right, so price

0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:26.720
<v Speaker 2>he does this starts three solutions. Meanwhile, Larry Wayne grew

0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:30.720
<v Speaker 2>increasingly integral to Signal Peak Energy as an executive because

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:34.240
<v Speaker 2>he also becomes privy to industry secrets, like how a

0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:38.080
<v Speaker 2>fellow Signal Peak vice president in charge of underground operations

0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:41.240
<v Speaker 2>the VP. So he's this is the guys like, actually,

0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:45.240
<v Speaker 2>you know hitting the call with him? You pick this

0:29:45.360 --> 0:29:49.400
<v Speaker 2>is a guy named Dale Lee Musgrave. I was saying

0:29:49.400 --> 0:29:53.040
<v Speaker 2>all their full names, like they're like presidential assassins. Yeah, exactly,

0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:54.800
<v Speaker 2>so Dale Lee musk Grave.

0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:57.440
<v Speaker 3>Because you don't want like Dale John Muskgrave to hear

0:29:57.480 --> 0:30:02.040
<v Speaker 3>this and be like, that's not me true dude, I'm

0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:05.080
<v Speaker 3>just innocently listening while I go to rob a bank,

0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:07.320
<v Speaker 3>so they'll leave.

0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 2>Musgrave. He was forcing employees to falsify reports about MIND

0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:14.040
<v Speaker 2>safety because he was in charge of the underground operations,

0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:16.280
<v Speaker 2>right were all the danger was and the raves. So

0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:19.400
<v Speaker 2>he relied on a time tested mix of threats and

0:30:19.640 --> 0:30:23.160
<v Speaker 2>bribes to ensure the Mind's operations had quote the veneer

0:30:23.320 --> 0:30:25.000
<v Speaker 2>of an outstanding safety.

0:30:24.680 --> 0:30:26.400
<v Speaker 3>Recordar and it takes money to make money.

0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:29.080
<v Speaker 2>Now that's not me saying that that's the Department of Justice.

0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:29.600
<v Speaker 3>The veneer.

0:30:29.920 --> 0:30:30.080
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

0:30:30.280 --> 0:30:30.520
<v Speaker 3>Nice.

0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:33.520
<v Speaker 2>So back in twenty eighteen, while Larry Wayne Price Junior

0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:37.040
<v Speaker 2>was still with the company, the DOJ discovered that Musgrave

0:30:37.120 --> 0:30:39.840
<v Speaker 2>had gone so far as to bribe an employee not

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 2>to report that the employee's finger had been crushed while

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:44.920
<v Speaker 2>he was loading mining materials.

0:30:44.920 --> 0:30:46.520
<v Speaker 3>I shouldn't laugh at that, but I'm laughing.

0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, you won't laugh now because the finger had

0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:52.200
<v Speaker 2>to be amputated. To keep things hush hush, Musgrave gave

0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:54.000
<v Speaker 2>the man two thousand dollars.

0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:57.240
<v Speaker 3>In cash, only two thousand dollars price for a time

0:30:57.280 --> 0:31:00.520
<v Speaker 3>they were talking about a million dollars prebes million dollar.

0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:02.120
<v Speaker 3>Which finger was let me.

0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:03.720
<v Speaker 2>Break you off. I don't know which finger. It was

0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:05.800
<v Speaker 2>one of the ten who was his middle finger.

0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:07.600
<v Speaker 3>And you can't flip peak off anymore.

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:09.240
<v Speaker 2>You can no longer cuss with his fingers.

0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:11.560
<v Speaker 3>Remember his kids say flick people.

0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I don't know why, but it just bothered me.

0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:18.160
<v Speaker 3>If you lose your index finger, that's big, that's big,

0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 3>bet thumb.

0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:21.560
<v Speaker 2>That's the real bad one to lose, because.

0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:24.239
<v Speaker 3>Well, what if he loses his pink and then when

0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:26.920
<v Speaker 3>he goes to drink tea get can't let people know

0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:29.120
<v Speaker 3>he's come and then he looks like a brute.

0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:32.160
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, So anyway, what this wasn't the only trouble musk

0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:35.200
<v Speaker 2>Grave got into while a VP at Signal Peak Energy.

0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:38.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to get you a Signal Peak you see.

0:31:38.720 --> 0:31:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, the federal investigators are doing their due diligence to

0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:45.240
<v Speaker 2>investigate the mine and its hinky operations. They spotted FedEx

0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:49.480
<v Speaker 2>delivery drivers dropping off a suspiciously large number of packages

0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:52.440
<v Speaker 2>at Musgrave's house. And I'm talking like, according to the DOJ,

0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:56.280
<v Speaker 2>twenty seven deliveries over a few months. And I know, Elizabeth,

0:31:56.320 --> 0:31:58.280
<v Speaker 2>you may be hearing that number thinking that's not a

0:31:58.360 --> 0:32:04.800
<v Speaker 2>lot of packages Amazons drop for me in one month period.

0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:10.160
<v Speaker 3>Just because you saw my front stoop was box number of.

0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 2>Boxes and then it came back a week later.

0:32:14.600 --> 0:32:17.280
<v Speaker 3>It's it's stuff for my house, it's for my dogs,

0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:18.280
<v Speaker 3>it's dog treats.

0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:20.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say nothing.

0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:23.160
<v Speaker 3>It's maybe a paint by Numbers kit that I ordered.

0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:31.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, girls, you're a woman of mystery. The feds

0:32:32.240 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 2>they thought twenty seven packages over a few months was

0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:35.920
<v Speaker 2>a lot. Back off.

0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:39.880
<v Speaker 3>Worry about yourself.

0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:43.520
<v Speaker 2>The Feds never see your stoop, you're getting an investigation

0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:46.400
<v Speaker 2>right away. So the twenty seven package from FedEx, they

0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 2>seem sussed. So one day the Feds they grabbed one

0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:50.560
<v Speaker 2>of the packages, you know, just to see what sort

0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:52.720
<v Speaker 2>of stuff musk Grave was having delivered to his house.

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:56.120
<v Speaker 2>Turns out, in the package they nabbed, the federal investigators

0:32:56.120 --> 0:33:00.840
<v Speaker 2>found baggies of cocaine. Baggy cocaine.

0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:01.960
<v Speaker 3>No, I don't have that.

0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:04.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it turns out the executive was engaging in some

0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:06.200
<v Speaker 2>light cocaine trafficking.

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:10.040
<v Speaker 3>When having it like ups, drop it off in the door.

0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:11.640
<v Speaker 2>If you live out in the middle of nowhere, the

0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 2>rural places, you can't like pop into the city. They're like,

0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:18.440
<v Speaker 2>just send it to my house, just me the coke exactly.

0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:22.360
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, also, to defend myself a little bit further,

0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:25.480
<v Speaker 3>I need a lot of that cardboard for my garden.

0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:29.160
<v Speaker 3>This is true, So okay, back off, buddy, I don't know.

0:33:29.480 --> 0:33:30.280
<v Speaker 2>I take it all back.

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:34.120
<v Speaker 3>Turned to eat a lot of chicken jerkey human grade,

0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:37.360
<v Speaker 3>as it says, And I also have a bag of

0:33:37.480 --> 0:33:39.840
<v Speaker 3>chicken hearts and anyway, you know.

0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:41.640
<v Speaker 2>What, You're only doing good.

0:33:41.680 --> 0:33:44.640
<v Speaker 3>But there's no cocaine in any of your packages.

0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:48.200
<v Speaker 2>There's that. Now I bring all this up as evidence that.

0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:50.640
<v Speaker 3>For minute, we delivered cocaine.

0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:55.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so, maybe dug cocaine just like numbing teeth.

0:33:56.320 --> 0:34:00.360
<v Speaker 2>That's like, yeah, so I bring all this up, Elizabeth,

0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:03.920
<v Speaker 2>there's evidence that many folks involved with signal peak energy

0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:08.640
<v Speaker 2>were on the hanky side, do you think? And uh,

0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:10.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, but appearances can be deceiving, right, and then

0:34:11.080 --> 0:34:13.400
<v Speaker 2>they were good at keeping their crimes swept under the

0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:17.239
<v Speaker 2>rug right up until found the baggies of cocaine. So

0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:20.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, obviously this also included big ticket items that

0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:22.720
<v Speaker 2>they were covering up, you know, like overseas the money laundering.

0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:25.360
<v Speaker 2>There was medium sized crimes that they were covering up,

0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:27.880
<v Speaker 2>like a little light cocaine trafficking, and then there are

0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:31.280
<v Speaker 2>smaller crimes like mining safety infractions and lost fingers.

0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:34.359
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I still two thousand dollars for a finger

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:36.360
<v Speaker 3>I would have pulled aside.

0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:38.080
<v Speaker 2>And then like, look, how much would you want for

0:34:38.120 --> 0:34:40.319
<v Speaker 2>a finger? A finger, not your thumb?

0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:43.440
<v Speaker 3>Like if if I lost my let's say I lost

0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:48.400
<v Speaker 3>my index index index. Yeah, doing this show, I go

0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:49.960
<v Speaker 3>to Admiral iHeart.

0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Yes, what would you demand?

0:34:50.760 --> 0:34:53.040
<v Speaker 3>And I would hold a knife to his throat.

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:55.680
<v Speaker 2>With your good hand, I could still do it.

0:34:56.360 --> 0:35:00.360
<v Speaker 3>And then I think I would want, like, at a

0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:01.960
<v Speaker 3>minimum a million dollars.

0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:04.760
<v Speaker 2>Wow, you really value your digits.

0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:07.200
<v Speaker 3>I have a magic fingers. You know what if I

0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:11.000
<v Speaker 3>want a No, not in the slightest my hands are

0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:15.040
<v Speaker 3>pretty beat up. But what if I learned to play

0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:18.400
<v Speaker 3>the piano. What is Malcolm Gladwell's like at ten thousand

0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:23.759
<v Speaker 3>hours in your genius myth No? Anyway, so I could

0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:27.279
<v Speaker 3>And then what if I could have gone on to

0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 3>like write the greatest piece of piano work and perform

0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:35.680
<v Speaker 3>it and then bring peace to the planet because everyone

0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:37.719
<v Speaker 3>hears it and they're like, that's the most beautiful thing.

0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:41.080
<v Speaker 3>It's missing some of the notes because Homegirl doesn't have

0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:45.640
<v Speaker 3>one of her fingers fingers, but it was his middle finger.

0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:47.839
<v Speaker 2>Hey, I'm not telling you, I'm not there all one finger.

0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:50.399
<v Speaker 3>It was like the only part of it. Anyway, Listen

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:53.000
<v Speaker 3>to me like I would be. I would be yelling

0:35:53.040 --> 0:35:55.920
<v Speaker 3>at Admiral iHeart and like putting my thumb to gouge

0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:58.440
<v Speaker 3>out his eyeball, run my check and be like I

0:35:58.520 --> 0:36:01.400
<v Speaker 3>want a million dollars from my miss or you do what?

0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:05.680
<v Speaker 3>Poke your eyes? Out to you and then stick this

0:36:05.920 --> 0:36:13.160
<v Speaker 3>knife where the sun don't shine energy hypifically, Admiral. I

0:36:13.280 --> 0:36:16.320
<v Speaker 3>say this with with love and respect, and you know,

0:36:16.440 --> 0:36:17.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm just joshing.

0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:22.120
<v Speaker 2>But God, I don't know about you. But whenever I

0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:24.880
<v Speaker 2>hear about like oil and gas or coal or you

0:36:25.040 --> 0:36:27.600
<v Speaker 2>seem really any mining, I tend to think of corruption

0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:31.880
<v Speaker 2>and crime. It's kind of historically associated with chemical Yeah,

0:36:31.880 --> 0:36:34.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like it's just like we're talking about like

0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:38.560
<v Speaker 2>President Grant's problems with like or like the Rockefeller family.

0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:43.200
<v Speaker 2>It's make you name one. You're like, oh, that's something, yeah, exactly.

0:36:43.680 --> 0:36:46.319
<v Speaker 2>But setting aside the historical examples, all right, I can

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:48.879
<v Speaker 2>say that the extractive industries are not a business where

0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:51.080
<v Speaker 2>I expect to find the best folks with good morals.

0:36:51.120 --> 0:36:53.640
<v Speaker 2>I'll believe that, right, No, no, And you know, once

0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:56.400
<v Speaker 2>again because of the industry's long history of flagrant criminality.

0:36:56.480 --> 0:36:59.760
<v Speaker 2>But keeping true of tradition at signal peak, energy crime

0:36:59.880 --> 0:37:03.000
<v Speaker 2>was the standard of the day. That is, if an

0:37:03.040 --> 0:37:06.439
<v Speaker 2>executive was creative enough and willing enough to see it through.

0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:09.560
<v Speaker 2>And that was the lesson that this ambitious striver and

0:37:09.680 --> 0:37:13.640
<v Speaker 2>corporate climber Larry Wayne Price Junior took to heart, this

0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:17.960
<v Speaker 2>time as an executive at Signal Pig Energy. Wayne. He

0:37:18.120 --> 0:37:19.680
<v Speaker 2>was like, if they can do it, why can't they

0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Just a boy from Virginia do with the dreams. I

0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:25.800
<v Speaker 2>also want to get rich, and I'm willing to do

0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:26.640
<v Speaker 2>crime to get there.

0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:28.640
<v Speaker 3>Dance spelt in the tube of chapstick.

0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:31.200
<v Speaker 2>Price he starts at the company in two thousand and nine,

0:37:31.200 --> 0:37:33.760
<v Speaker 2>as we covered, by twenty fourteen, he was already building

0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:34.600
<v Speaker 2>his dream castle.

0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:36.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh he built that, Yes, built it?

0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:41.839
<v Speaker 2>No wonder right, Yes, Now we don't know exactly getting Yeah,

0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:45.160
<v Speaker 2>he was covering that. I don't know. I gotta stick

0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:46.960
<v Speaker 2>to the facts. I do know in this case, we

0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:47.799
<v Speaker 2>can speculate.

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:49.600
<v Speaker 3>I just like to make We don't know.

0:37:49.600 --> 0:37:53.319
<v Speaker 2>Exactly what all crimes he was involved when before, say

0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:56.480
<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen, But because of the Department of Justice, I

0:37:56.520 --> 0:37:58.800
<v Speaker 2>can tell you after twenty sixteen, the crimes that he

0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:03.520
<v Speaker 2>wasn't definitely size. Yeah. Between October twenty sixteen and April

0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:05.960
<v Speaker 2>of twenty eighteen, we do know that Price managed to

0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:10.080
<v Speaker 2>embezzle twenty million dollars from three coal related companies.

0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:12.960
<v Speaker 3>Twenty million dollars and the house.

0:38:12.840 --> 0:38:15.200
<v Speaker 2>Costs a lot, so I think it got more than that,

0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:17.719
<v Speaker 2>but they could just nail him on the twenty million.

0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:20.680
<v Speaker 3>That's every finger for two people exact.

0:38:21.960 --> 0:38:24.759
<v Speaker 2>So one of the companies had this fun wink wink

0:38:24.880 --> 0:38:27.000
<v Speaker 2>name of three Blind Mice LLC.

0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:27.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh, get out of it.

0:38:27.960 --> 0:38:31.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there was another company called ninety m LLC. And

0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:35.480
<v Speaker 2>of course there was Signal Peak Energy. So the story

0:38:35.600 --> 0:38:38.200
<v Speaker 2>goes based on his role as a KEYVP in charge

0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:42.439
<v Speaker 2>of surface operations and owner of Three Solutions. Don't forget that. Yeah,

0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:45.640
<v Speaker 2>his company was able to supply industrial chemicals to his employer,

0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:48.520
<v Speaker 2>so he could embezzle from that end, which means he

0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:52.560
<v Speaker 2>was robbing Signal Peak Energy and Trice Paul. He developed

0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:55.560
<v Speaker 2>his reputation around billings that he was a coal mining expert,

0:38:55.960 --> 0:38:57.800
<v Speaker 2>an insider's insider because.

0:38:57.560 --> 0:39:00.319
<v Speaker 3>He's close with the CEO and a coal miner's daughter.

0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:04.640
<v Speaker 2>True enough, right, No, he leveraged his reputation to convince

0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:08.400
<v Speaker 2>three Blind Mice to lend him seven point five million dollars. Now,

0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:10.680
<v Speaker 2>if you asked him, Price would say that his company,

0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:14.439
<v Speaker 2>Three Solutions had won a contract with a Pennsylvania coal

0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:17.680
<v Speaker 2>company to install coal mining equipment, and in order to

0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:21.640
<v Speaker 2>finish that project, he just needed seven point five million dollars,

0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:24.399
<v Speaker 2>which three Blind Mice was only too happy to loan him. Sure,

0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:26.480
<v Speaker 2>and they were going to be paid back with interest

0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:29.560
<v Speaker 2>in you know, extra amounts, so he would have to

0:39:29.600 --> 0:39:31.680
<v Speaker 2>pay them back eleven million dollars.

0:39:32.120 --> 0:39:32.799
<v Speaker 3>Eleven million.

0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:35.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Amus planned to make money on this deal, and

0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:37.320
<v Speaker 2>he's like, I'll cut you in sure. Now. If you

0:39:37.400 --> 0:39:40.280
<v Speaker 2>ask three Blind Mice what happened, they would say Price

0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:44.600
<v Speaker 2>stole the money outright. Now, we know that three Blind

0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:48.799
<v Speaker 2>Mice signed an unsecured promissory note and wired seven point

0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:51.120
<v Speaker 2>five million dollars to Three Solutions.

0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:54.560
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Larry Wayne's company, that's an idiot moved yes, with

0:39:54.640 --> 0:39:55.600
<v Speaker 3>a payback date.

0:39:55.520 --> 0:39:58.759
<v Speaker 2>Of January thirty first, twenty eighteen. And when that date

0:39:59.000 --> 0:40:01.640
<v Speaker 2>came and went, I did not and had not paid

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:05.239
<v Speaker 2>the promise eleven million dollars. When the FEDS looked into this,

0:40:05.719 --> 0:40:08.319
<v Speaker 2>they found that there was no deal with the Pennsylvania

0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Coal Operation for Three Solutions to install coal mining operations.

0:40:12.480 --> 0:40:16.560
<v Speaker 2>What had happened was Price spent the seven point five

0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:19.920
<v Speaker 2>million dollars probably on a bowling lane, maybe a three.

0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:21.200
<v Speaker 3>Hole goal course exactly.

0:40:21.520 --> 0:40:24.719
<v Speaker 2>Now, as for ninety m LLC, the investors in that

0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:28.640
<v Speaker 2>company appointed Price is a representative of ninety M. They're like, yeah,

0:40:28.680 --> 0:40:30.440
<v Speaker 2>tell them you work with us, you work for us,

0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:32.560
<v Speaker 2>So that he could go out and help them purchase

0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:35.439
<v Speaker 2>a coal mine in Virginia where Larry Wayne is from,

0:40:35.880 --> 0:40:39.239
<v Speaker 2>and help them develop into a cash making operation. They're like, yeah,

0:40:39.280 --> 0:40:41.120
<v Speaker 2>get us rich on what you know. You're an insided

0:40:41.200 --> 0:40:41.879
<v Speaker 2>inside man.

0:40:42.000 --> 0:40:42.680
<v Speaker 3>You're connected.

0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:45.240
<v Speaker 2>So as well, they also had some other business ventures

0:40:45.320 --> 0:40:47.680
<v Speaker 2>that they had cooking. So all in all, Price helped

0:40:47.760 --> 0:40:51.879
<v Speaker 2>them with five business deals worth roughly thirteen point five

0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:56.080
<v Speaker 2>million dollars for Price. Now how they exist? Yeah, Now

0:40:56.160 --> 0:40:59.520
<v Speaker 2>these were good kind of because when investigators looked into it,

0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:03.000
<v Speaker 2>they found that ten point four to seventy five million

0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:07.319
<v Speaker 2>of that thirteen point five was quote fraudulently obtained. Oh

0:41:07.760 --> 0:41:11.239
<v Speaker 2>so it wasn't all hanky Elizabeth whole linked ten point

0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:14.360
<v Speaker 2>four million of it. Oops. And then there was his

0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:18.479
<v Speaker 2>day to day employer, Signal Peak Energy, where Price worked

0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:21.319
<v Speaker 2>as a VP of Service Operations. Now he stole from

0:41:21.360 --> 0:41:23.560
<v Speaker 2>his main job too, because that house ain't going to

0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:27.920
<v Speaker 2>build itself. He did this by initiating fraudulent deals to

0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:30.960
<v Speaker 2>purchase coal mining equipment from a vendor that he knew

0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:35.320
<v Speaker 2>could not provide said coal mining equipment. So the firm

0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:37.920
<v Speaker 2>he selected for the deal, they kicked him back two

0:41:38.080 --> 0:41:43.319
<v Speaker 2>point four million dollars to Prices company three Solutions. Real

0:41:43.400 --> 0:41:46.200
<v Speaker 2>simple paper trail, but there it was. Yeah, all of

0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:49.360
<v Speaker 2>his shady dealings came to a head in April twenty eighteen.

0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:53.239
<v Speaker 2>When the investors from ninety MLLC checked the deals. They

0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:56.200
<v Speaker 2>began to question the transactions with Price in his company

0:41:56.280 --> 0:41:58.440
<v Speaker 2>three Solutions. So what do they do. They call a

0:41:58.560 --> 0:42:01.400
<v Speaker 2>Price and they're like, hey, man, where's money. You're like

0:42:01.560 --> 0:42:04.360
<v Speaker 2>months behind on your remember January thirty first second, so

0:42:04.400 --> 0:42:07.080
<v Speaker 2>they're like, it's April man. So by this point, Price

0:42:07.239 --> 0:42:10.320
<v Speaker 2>was no longer in Montana. He was living in Virginia.

0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:13.520
<v Speaker 2>He'd return to his home state, but it wasn't impossible

0:42:13.560 --> 0:42:15.920
<v Speaker 2>to find where he was living. The folks from ninety

0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:18.520
<v Speaker 2>M did. They were able to find him, and they

0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:25.080
<v Speaker 2>sent representatives to get their money back from Price. Right,

0:42:25.600 --> 0:42:28.279
<v Speaker 2>if this was street crime, the amount of money he

0:42:28.320 --> 0:42:30.320
<v Speaker 2>would have been talking we're talking about is enough to

0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:33.680
<v Speaker 2>get a man killed. Oh yeah, when we're sending our representatives.

0:42:33.719 --> 0:42:35.600
<v Speaker 2>The fact they even told him meant that they kind

0:42:35.640 --> 0:42:38.799
<v Speaker 2>of expected to get someone as opposed to just like, yeah, yeah,

0:42:38.840 --> 0:42:41.000
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know how it goes in the coal industry.

0:42:41.040 --> 0:42:43.439
<v Speaker 2>I won't speculate, but I imagine they also start getting

0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:46.080
<v Speaker 2>murderous notions in their minds when they get robbed for

0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:49.080
<v Speaker 2>millions of dollars. However, as I said, a dead man

0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:52.040
<v Speaker 2>can't pay you back. So these coal investors, they still

0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:53.680
<v Speaker 2>had plans to get their money back before they did

0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:57.200
<v Speaker 2>need grievous harm to Larry Wayne. Now, the Larry Wayne

0:42:57.239 --> 0:42:59.640
<v Speaker 2>Price junior may have had different read of things because

0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:01.960
<v Speaker 2>he has a woman he knew in Virginia. If he

0:43:02.000 --> 0:43:06.279
<v Speaker 2>could hide out at her place, can she agreed? Now,

0:43:06.440 --> 0:43:08.719
<v Speaker 2>that's when Price came up with this big, beautiful plan

0:43:08.840 --> 0:43:11.280
<v Speaker 2>to skate out on the investors that he had robbed

0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:13.520
<v Speaker 2>and to keep all the money he'd embezzled from the

0:43:13.600 --> 0:43:16.160
<v Speaker 2>various coal mining operations back in Montana.

0:43:16.800 --> 0:43:18.920
<v Speaker 3>Was he just hoping they were crooked enough to not

0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:20.400
<v Speaker 3>like go to the Feds.

0:43:21.000 --> 0:43:23.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he thought this through, but you'll figure

0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:23.680
<v Speaker 2>that out.

0:43:23.760 --> 0:43:25.359
<v Speaker 3>Real question, Okay, So I mean.

0:43:25.280 --> 0:43:28.040
<v Speaker 2>Like my question was, you know, was cocaine involved in

0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:33.360
<v Speaker 2>this decision making? Because it But anyway, his next plan, Elizabeth,

0:43:33.400 --> 0:43:36.399
<v Speaker 2>I tell you is a certified hum danger. So let's

0:43:36.400 --> 0:43:38.560
<v Speaker 2>take a little break, listen to some ads, and after

0:43:38.640 --> 0:43:42.719
<v Speaker 2>these messages from Signal Peak Energy, we will get into

0:43:42.960 --> 0:44:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Larry Wayne Price Junior's plan to get free. Nice we're back, Elizabeth,

0:44:07.960 --> 0:44:11.840
<v Speaker 2>Yes we are. So we've got coal mining insider Larry

0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:15.160
<v Speaker 2>Wayne Junior who tried to pull off some big boy

0:44:15.200 --> 0:44:19.160
<v Speaker 2>in bezzling. But he was sloppy about it. Investors or marks,

0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:20.880
<v Speaker 2>how if you want to looked at it, they get robbed.

0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:23.680
<v Speaker 2>They started asking questions. Not liking the answers that they

0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:27.560
<v Speaker 2>weren't getting, they sent representatives out to either confront Price

0:44:27.640 --> 0:44:30.799
<v Speaker 2>in Virginia or get their money back wherever, or find

0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:32.719
<v Speaker 2>out where he'd fled to in order to get back

0:44:32.760 --> 0:44:35.719
<v Speaker 2>their stolen millions. Sure, but Larry Wayne had a plan.

0:44:36.000 --> 0:44:39.520
<v Speaker 2>What was his plan? Great question for it. I haven't

0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:43.760
<v Speaker 2>mentioned her yet, but Price was married. Okay, this matters

0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:46.520
<v Speaker 2>because he was also making moves to avoid his spurned

0:44:46.560 --> 0:44:49.239
<v Speaker 2>investors with another That's what I wondered when you.

0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:52.240
<v Speaker 3>Say a woman in Virginia building this thirty thousand square

0:44:52.320 --> 0:44:55.520
<v Speaker 3>foot home, and I don't think it's a bachelor pass. No, No,

0:44:55.920 --> 0:44:57.160
<v Speaker 3>he is a group of kids too.

0:44:57.560 --> 0:44:59.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't look too far into that. He did

0:44:59.320 --> 0:45:01.520
<v Speaker 2>have some but I think I mentioned up top now

0:45:01.640 --> 0:45:04.640
<v Speaker 2>someone whom he rented a house from in Virginia. While

0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:08.040
<v Speaker 2>he was like, on the lamb, if you will, that's

0:45:08.480 --> 0:45:11.439
<v Speaker 2>who he decided. The woman, He's like, oh, I'm working

0:45:11.480 --> 0:45:15.520
<v Speaker 2>with her. I remember. It's like, hey, can I hide now. Meanwhile,

0:45:15.760 --> 0:45:17.759
<v Speaker 2>he called his wife and was like, yeah, I really

0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:20.040
<v Speaker 2>need you to help me. I'm in trouble. I'm in

0:45:20.080 --> 0:45:21.719
<v Speaker 2>a bad way, and he asked her to help him

0:45:21.760 --> 0:45:24.439
<v Speaker 2>out and she was like okay, baby or whatever she said.

0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:29.080
<v Speaker 2>So on April fourteenth, twenty eighteen, Price's wife called the Bluefield,

0:45:29.239 --> 0:45:33.160
<v Speaker 2>Virginia Police Department at one fifty eight in the morning

0:45:33.560 --> 0:45:39.360
<v Speaker 2>and she reported her husband missing. The local PD sprang

0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:45.759
<v Speaker 2>into action along with the Tazewell County Sheriff's Office and thesewell.

0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:51.480
<v Speaker 2>It so the two law enforcement agencies. They initiate a

0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:55.239
<v Speaker 2>missing person's investigation as one does, and this soon expands

0:45:55.320 --> 0:45:58.120
<v Speaker 2>to include the Virginia State Police because we're like, we

0:45:58.200 --> 0:46:00.279
<v Speaker 2>got time, so le me bringing in a health after

0:46:00.400 --> 0:46:03.560
<v Speaker 2>search and rescue teams. They also bring in canine search

0:46:03.719 --> 0:46:06.200
<v Speaker 2>units like you know, like they make this a real priority.

0:46:06.239 --> 0:46:07.520
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna find Larry Wayne.

0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:09.040
<v Speaker 3>I wish they would have done it like they would

0:46:09.080 --> 0:46:12.240
<v Speaker 3>treat most people like, well, did he have a history

0:46:12.360 --> 0:46:12.920
<v Speaker 3>running away?

0:46:13.120 --> 0:46:13.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Exactly.

0:46:14.360 --> 0:46:15.799
<v Speaker 3>Well let's just see if he shows up.

0:46:16.000 --> 0:46:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Have you called all the hospitals so they bring

0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:22.000
<v Speaker 2>in the bloodhounds, Elizabeth, And it shouldn't have been too

0:46:22.040 --> 0:46:26.200
<v Speaker 2>hard to find this missing man since Bluefield, Virginia is located. Uh,

0:46:26.280 --> 0:46:28.399
<v Speaker 2>it's like right there in the Blue Ridge Mountains. Yeah,

0:46:28.480 --> 0:46:31.200
<v Speaker 2>it's a town of less than ten thousand people. Okay,

0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:35.279
<v Speaker 2>but somehow all these you know, state police, local sheriffs,

0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:37.400
<v Speaker 2>and local police, they couldn't find Larry Wayne.

0:46:37.480 --> 0:46:38.480
<v Speaker 3>He got gone.

0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:40.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he'd done run off?

0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:42.760
<v Speaker 3>Are you n n oft through.

0:46:43.000 --> 0:46:46.200
<v Speaker 2>Using modern methods of pinging cell phone towers and as

0:46:46.200 --> 0:46:49.040
<v Speaker 2>opposed to just relying on the bloodhounds like yelping into

0:46:49.120 --> 0:46:57.000
<v Speaker 2>the forest? Then the multi industry, Yeah exactly, these are fresh.

0:46:56.800 --> 0:46:59.879
<v Speaker 3>You could tell, and then licking in and then hold

0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:02.640
<v Speaker 3>their finger to the air. That's how you find people, Zarren.

0:47:03.000 --> 0:47:06.000
<v Speaker 2>You look for snap branches and stuff. Yes, so the

0:47:06.080 --> 0:47:06.560
<v Speaker 2>multi age.

0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:09.319
<v Speaker 3>Yes, you've obviously been doing this a long time, as

0:47:09.440 --> 0:47:12.719
<v Speaker 3>have I. Did he leave hair on the branches as

0:47:12.760 --> 0:47:16.080
<v Speaker 3>he walked by. Is he a yetti, Yes, give me

0:47:16.160 --> 0:47:16.799
<v Speaker 3>the bloodhound.

0:47:18.120 --> 0:47:21.439
<v Speaker 2>So this multi agency task force they find Prices white

0:47:21.560 --> 0:47:24.840
<v Speaker 2>Mercedes with Montana plates. It had been abandoned in a

0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:25.439
<v Speaker 2>parking lot.

0:47:25.960 --> 0:47:27.919
<v Speaker 3>Oh, telling Pablo SENTI is white.

0:47:28.480 --> 0:47:31.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, naturally this was concerning for the law enforcement task

0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:34.600
<v Speaker 2>with finding this missing coal mining executive. But then they

0:47:34.640 --> 0:47:38.280
<v Speaker 2>received some good news. A driver noticed a man standing

0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:40.080
<v Speaker 2>on the side of the road in the dark of night,

0:47:40.280 --> 0:47:43.240
<v Speaker 2>and he was near this town of Gratton or Grato, Virginia.

0:47:43.280 --> 0:47:44.000
<v Speaker 2>I think it's Gratton.

0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:45.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think I think I've heard of that there.

0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:48.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, law enforcement they rush out to the reported sighting

0:47:48.360 --> 0:47:52.520
<v Speaker 2>and they find Larry Wayne Price Junior. He's alone and

0:47:52.640 --> 0:47:56.720
<v Speaker 2>he looks like he's been through it. In his pockets

0:47:56.800 --> 0:48:00.000
<v Speaker 2>though he has three thousand, seven and forty four dollars,

0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:04.280
<v Speaker 2>so he hadn't been like robbed or mugged or something.

0:48:05.000 --> 0:48:07.200
<v Speaker 2>But you know, they take Price to the local hospital

0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:09.439
<v Speaker 2>because he looks a little roughed up, and that's where

0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:12.239
<v Speaker 2>officers from the Bluefield PD interview him. They were not

0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:16.120
<v Speaker 2>alone because the FBI also wanted to interview you. Oh boy, yes,

0:48:16.200 --> 0:48:18.759
<v Speaker 2>and then the irs. But we'll get to that first first,

0:48:18.800 --> 0:48:21.279
<v Speaker 2>the FBI. But rather than me just tell you about

0:48:21.320 --> 0:48:25.080
<v Speaker 2>this FBI investigation, Elizabeth, I'd like you to close your

0:48:25.120 --> 0:48:35.040
<v Speaker 2>eyes as I'd like you to picture it. Elizabeth. It's

0:48:35.040 --> 0:48:38.000
<v Speaker 2>a quiet day in an FBI interrogation room, and at

0:48:38.000 --> 0:48:41.200
<v Speaker 2>the moment you are busy because you are Larry Wayne

0:48:41.280 --> 0:48:45.800
<v Speaker 2>Price Junior's concept of shame. Now, as the overhead fluorescent

0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:49.560
<v Speaker 2>lights buzz with the insistent home, you flit about the room,

0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:51.680
<v Speaker 2>hoping to find a place to land and do what

0:48:51.840 --> 0:48:55.440
<v Speaker 2>you do, which is inspire a person to feel shame. However,

0:48:55.680 --> 0:48:58.720
<v Speaker 2>in this instant, as in many moments in the past,

0:48:59.120 --> 0:49:02.080
<v Speaker 2>you cannot find and a welcome home in the consciousness

0:49:02.160 --> 0:49:05.280
<v Speaker 2>of the man being interrogated by the FBI. The purp

0:49:05.480 --> 0:49:08.240
<v Speaker 2>seated across from the field agents is unwilling to allow

0:49:08.360 --> 0:49:11.359
<v Speaker 2>you to find purchase, and so you continue to beat

0:49:11.400 --> 0:49:13.920
<v Speaker 2>your tiny wings as you flit about, guided by the

0:49:14.000 --> 0:49:17.320
<v Speaker 2>hope that perhaps at some point in his interrogation, Larry

0:49:17.360 --> 0:49:20.480
<v Speaker 2>Wayne Price Junior will allow you to whisper your message

0:49:20.520 --> 0:49:23.719
<v Speaker 2>such that he might listen to your urgings and experience

0:49:23.800 --> 0:49:28.200
<v Speaker 2>what any other human being would recognize as shame. You

0:49:28.360 --> 0:49:31.239
<v Speaker 2>hear Price as he answers the field agent's questions. You

0:49:31.400 --> 0:49:34.400
<v Speaker 2>hope that he'd know better than to lie to the FBI,

0:49:34.600 --> 0:49:38.400
<v Speaker 2>but clearly he does not. Despite the circular nature of

0:49:38.440 --> 0:49:41.959
<v Speaker 2>the FBI's questions making him repeat himself over and over again,

0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Price sticks to his ludicrous story. He repeats that he

0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:49.319
<v Speaker 2>was abducted by two members of an outlaw biker gang.

0:49:49.680 --> 0:49:52.000
<v Speaker 2>He describes how they held a rag to his face

0:49:52.239 --> 0:49:55.440
<v Speaker 2>and as he inhaled, he began to feel kind of funny.

0:49:55.960 --> 0:49:59.359
<v Speaker 2>You cast an eye towards the FBI agents. They don't

0:49:59.400 --> 0:50:02.239
<v Speaker 2>seem to be this story. You flip closer to see

0:50:02.280 --> 0:50:05.040
<v Speaker 2>if perhaps you can now convince him to experience a

0:50:05.120 --> 0:50:08.760
<v Speaker 2>moment of shame and finally come clean. But he waves

0:50:08.800 --> 0:50:12.320
<v Speaker 2>you away and you flit about frustrated. A field agent

0:50:12.400 --> 0:50:15.080
<v Speaker 2>takes a sip of coffee that's growing colder by the minute.

0:50:15.440 --> 0:50:18.280
<v Speaker 2>They've been at it a while. The FBI guy asks

0:50:18.360 --> 0:50:20.919
<v Speaker 2>Price to go back to the moment when he first

0:50:21.000 --> 0:50:25.600
<v Speaker 2>saw the outlaw bikers. Price sighs, annoyed, and then he

0:50:25.760 --> 0:50:28.480
<v Speaker 2>launches into his cover story. He says that he was

0:50:28.560 --> 0:50:31.320
<v Speaker 2>looking to sew a motorcycle. He was contacted by a

0:50:31.440 --> 0:50:34.759
<v Speaker 2>man who was previously unknown to him. The prospective buyer

0:50:34.960 --> 0:50:36.960
<v Speaker 2>asked to meet Price so that he could see the

0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:39.720
<v Speaker 2>bike and maybe take it for a test drive. Price

0:50:39.800 --> 0:50:42.279
<v Speaker 2>says that he agreed to the meet up. He says

0:50:42.320 --> 0:50:44.480
<v Speaker 2>they planned to meet at a local park and then

0:50:44.520 --> 0:50:47.279
<v Speaker 2>the buyer could take the motorcycle for a ride. When

0:50:47.320 --> 0:50:50.080
<v Speaker 2>he arrived at the park, he rode up on the motorcycle.

0:50:50.239 --> 0:50:53.359
<v Speaker 2>Then he saw the prospective buyer pull into the parking lot.

0:50:53.760 --> 0:50:57.360
<v Speaker 2>The buyer arrived in a windowless cargo van, and he

0:50:57.680 --> 0:51:01.120
<v Speaker 2>wasn't alone. Another man was with him. Both men were

0:51:01.200 --> 0:51:04.720
<v Speaker 2>white and looked like outlaw bikers. You roll your eyes

0:51:04.800 --> 0:51:07.799
<v Speaker 2>at all the details Price adds to his story. Even

0:51:07.840 --> 0:51:11.359
<v Speaker 2>if he won't or cannot, you experience shame for him,

0:51:11.480 --> 0:51:15.440
<v Speaker 2>a sort of secondhand embarrassment. Price goes on with his story.

0:51:15.640 --> 0:51:18.400
<v Speaker 2>He tells the FBI investigators that the passenger in the

0:51:18.480 --> 0:51:21.560
<v Speaker 2>windowless cargo van had a gun and he aimed it

0:51:21.640 --> 0:51:25.400
<v Speaker 2>at Price. In response, he froze in place that allowed

0:51:25.440 --> 0:51:27.120
<v Speaker 2>the two men to hop out of the van and

0:51:27.239 --> 0:51:30.560
<v Speaker 2>approach it where he was seated on the hog aka

0:51:30.920 --> 0:51:34.360
<v Speaker 2>his motorcycle for sale. You draw closer again, hoping that

0:51:34.480 --> 0:51:36.640
<v Speaker 2>now perhaps you can whisper something in his ear and

0:51:36.719 --> 0:51:39.080
<v Speaker 2>inspire him to feel the sweet release of shame that

0:51:39.160 --> 0:51:42.200
<v Speaker 2>might free him from his obvious lives. But again he

0:51:42.320 --> 0:51:45.040
<v Speaker 2>waves his hand as if to wave away a mosquito.

0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:48.359
<v Speaker 2>You retreat. Price goes on with his story. He says

0:51:48.400 --> 0:51:50.839
<v Speaker 2>that the second man, the one with the gun, held

0:51:50.880 --> 0:51:53.279
<v Speaker 2>a rag to his face. It was clearly soaked with

0:51:53.400 --> 0:51:56.719
<v Speaker 2>some sort of chemical one that made him feel disoriented

0:51:56.800 --> 0:51:59.279
<v Speaker 2>and drowsy, and then he sort of blacked him. When

0:51:59.320 --> 0:52:02.400
<v Speaker 2>he comes to, he's in some unknown location. It's a

0:52:02.560 --> 0:52:05.680
<v Speaker 2>darkened room and he was seated on the floor. Apparently

0:52:05.800 --> 0:52:08.800
<v Speaker 2>the two outlaw bikers didn't want him conscious yet, so

0:52:08.840 --> 0:52:10.879
<v Speaker 2>they put the rag to his face again, and again

0:52:10.960 --> 0:52:13.879
<v Speaker 2>he felt disoriented and dizzy, and then he blacked out again.

0:52:14.320 --> 0:52:16.520
<v Speaker 2>When he awoke a second time, he was in a

0:52:16.640 --> 0:52:19.760
<v Speaker 2>familiar place. He was in the bike shop he owned

0:52:20.000 --> 0:52:22.719
<v Speaker 2>in West Virginia. He proudly says the name of his

0:52:22.840 --> 0:52:26.320
<v Speaker 2>bike shop, hog Pit Cycles, as if that'll impress the

0:52:26.480 --> 0:52:29.840
<v Speaker 2>FBI agents. It does not. When you check their faces,

0:52:30.200 --> 0:52:33.120
<v Speaker 2>it does not seem to impress them in the least. Instead,

0:52:33.160 --> 0:52:36.640
<v Speaker 2>they asked Price what happened next? Price says he wasn't sure,

0:52:36.719 --> 0:52:39.880
<v Speaker 2>but apparently the two outlaw bikers had taken his keys

0:52:39.920 --> 0:52:42.040
<v Speaker 2>to the shop, because they opened up the place and

0:52:42.080 --> 0:52:45.480
<v Speaker 2>they dragged him inside. Once inside, they opened the store safe.

0:52:46.239 --> 0:52:49.360
<v Speaker 2>You roll your eyes so hard that you risk bruising

0:52:49.440 --> 0:52:52.239
<v Speaker 2>them or perhaps having them fall out of your fairy head.

0:52:52.560 --> 0:52:54.920
<v Speaker 2>You wonder to yourself if this man is capable of

0:52:55.000 --> 0:52:58.000
<v Speaker 2>feeling shame at all? You think that as you hear

0:52:58.080 --> 0:53:01.520
<v Speaker 2>Price describe for the FBI agent with great detail, how

0:53:01.560 --> 0:53:04.439
<v Speaker 2>the two outlaw bikers searched his pockets and they took

0:53:04.520 --> 0:53:08.799
<v Speaker 2>his pocket knife. They also stole his nine millimeter sig firearm.

0:53:09.520 --> 0:53:12.000
<v Speaker 2>The FBI agents play along, and you hear one say okay,

0:53:12.320 --> 0:53:15.719
<v Speaker 2>what happened. Next, Price acts like the FBI agents might

0:53:15.840 --> 0:53:18.480
<v Speaker 2>finally be believing him, So he goes on and describes

0:53:18.560 --> 0:53:21.760
<v Speaker 2>how the two outlaw bikers threatened him. Then they dragged

0:53:21.840 --> 0:53:23.719
<v Speaker 2>him out of his bike shop and threw him back

0:53:23.760 --> 0:53:27.040
<v Speaker 2>into the widowless cargo van. Then the two outlaw bikers

0:53:27.120 --> 0:53:29.920
<v Speaker 2>drove him out into the country, back across the border

0:53:30.040 --> 0:53:33.400
<v Speaker 2>between West Virginia and Virginia. When they were in the

0:53:33.520 --> 0:53:35.920
<v Speaker 2>middle of nowhere, they pulled over and they made him

0:53:35.960 --> 0:53:39.000
<v Speaker 2>get out you've given up on introducing any sense of

0:53:39.080 --> 0:53:41.760
<v Speaker 2>shame to Price. Clearly he has no ability to experience

0:53:41.800 --> 0:53:44.920
<v Speaker 2>such emotions. You hear the FBI agents ask him what

0:53:45.040 --> 0:53:48.000
<v Speaker 2>the outlaw bikers did next. Price is quick to answer.

0:53:48.200 --> 0:53:50.320
<v Speaker 2>He says, they left him there on the side of

0:53:50.360 --> 0:53:54.080
<v Speaker 2>the road alone, and they drove off. The FBI agents nod,

0:53:54.120 --> 0:53:57.160
<v Speaker 2>and then they say, okay, let's start again. At the beginning,

0:53:57.360 --> 0:54:00.080
<v Speaker 2>you decide you can't listen to any lies anymore. You

0:54:00.200 --> 0:54:02.720
<v Speaker 2>flipped right out of the room, hoping to find someone

0:54:02.800 --> 0:54:05.440
<v Speaker 2>else who might actually benefit from you and the gift

0:54:05.520 --> 0:54:07.560
<v Speaker 2>of experiencing a moment of shame.

0:54:08.840 --> 0:54:09.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm so beautiful.

0:54:10.120 --> 0:54:13.120
<v Speaker 2>So there you know, Elizabeth, that was the ordeal as

0:54:13.239 --> 0:54:17.120
<v Speaker 2>Price reported it. Now, remember the investors he robbed did

0:54:17.320 --> 0:54:20.400
<v Speaker 2>send representatives to confront Price and to get back the

0:54:20.480 --> 0:54:23.960
<v Speaker 2>money they ripped off? Did they send two outlaw bikers

0:54:24.160 --> 0:54:25.200
<v Speaker 2>to get their money back?

0:54:25.280 --> 0:54:27.040
<v Speaker 3>Did they send the cast of Sons of van?

0:54:27.719 --> 0:54:28.319
<v Speaker 2>Exactly?

0:54:28.600 --> 0:54:31.200
<v Speaker 3>Like rolling up in a van Like he's just basically

0:54:31.719 --> 0:54:33.240
<v Speaker 3>detailing an episode totally.

0:54:33.280 --> 0:54:37.000
<v Speaker 2>It's like the last thing he watched. So, Elizabeth, this

0:54:37.080 --> 0:54:39.120
<v Speaker 2>could have been true? Who knows? I mean, I highly

0:54:39.200 --> 0:54:39.480
<v Speaker 2>doubt it.

0:54:39.640 --> 0:54:42.000
<v Speaker 3>You're very, very generous man, mostly.

0:54:41.800 --> 0:54:45.080
<v Speaker 2>Because over time Price's story tended to change that intend

0:54:45.160 --> 0:54:47.839
<v Speaker 2>it did, it just flat out change like a child

0:54:47.880 --> 0:54:50.560
<v Speaker 2>who's lying. He kept adding more and more wild new

0:54:50.640 --> 0:54:52.520
<v Speaker 2>details and colorful embellishments.

0:54:52.600 --> 0:54:52.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:54:53.160 --> 0:54:56.279
<v Speaker 2>At first he told the detectives from Bluefield that he'd

0:54:56.520 --> 0:54:59.280
<v Speaker 2>been kidnapped by the two unknown assailants and they drugged

0:54:59.360 --> 0:55:01.759
<v Speaker 2>him and taken him. It was motorcycle shop and presumably

0:55:02.600 --> 0:55:05.640
<v Speaker 2>his abduction may have been related, to quote a debtiode.

0:55:06.360 --> 0:55:08.600
<v Speaker 2>Later he added the details with the FBI about the

0:55:08.640 --> 0:55:11.560
<v Speaker 2>two men were outlaw bikers, but not just any old

0:55:11.600 --> 0:55:15.400
<v Speaker 2>outlaw bikers. Oh, soon enough, they were members of the Pagans,

0:55:15.840 --> 0:55:18.040
<v Speaker 2>the outlaw biker gang that's in a turf war with

0:55:18.120 --> 0:55:19.160
<v Speaker 2>the Hell's Angel Yeah.

0:55:19.200 --> 0:55:22.640
<v Speaker 3>And then like all of those guys are under constant

0:55:22.760 --> 0:55:26.640
<v Speaker 3>surveillance like this, So it was.

0:55:26.640 --> 0:55:28.439
<v Speaker 2>A sort of detail that someone who likes to read

0:55:28.440 --> 0:55:31.400
<v Speaker 2>about outlaw biker news stories like me, Yeah, was like

0:55:31.680 --> 0:55:36.000
<v Speaker 2>what at this point? By also, by including the Pagans,

0:55:36.200 --> 0:55:38.080
<v Speaker 2>as you point out, they would have been under surveillance

0:55:38.120 --> 0:55:41.000
<v Speaker 2>most likely, but he thought it might help explain why

0:55:41.280 --> 0:55:43.880
<v Speaker 2>he was taken to his motorcycle shop after he had

0:55:43.920 --> 0:55:45.480
<v Speaker 2>the rag held to his face and all that he

0:55:45.600 --> 0:55:47.680
<v Speaker 2>was drug with whatever they applied to the rag. Yeah,

0:55:47.760 --> 0:55:49.759
<v Speaker 2>but there was one problem with his new wrinkle in

0:55:49.800 --> 0:55:53.680
<v Speaker 2>his story. While his storefront Hog Pit Cycles did not

0:55:53.840 --> 0:55:56.640
<v Speaker 2>have security cameras, it was not the only business in

0:55:56.800 --> 0:56:00.880
<v Speaker 2>that block, and so the other this is did not

0:56:01.120 --> 0:56:04.120
<v Speaker 2>show members of the Pagans forcing him to do anything

0:56:04.880 --> 0:56:07.840
<v Speaker 2>because obviously they couldn't. He couldn't have the footage of

0:56:07.920 --> 0:56:10.520
<v Speaker 2>him unlocking a safe and giving them whatever was inside

0:56:10.520 --> 0:56:13.359
<v Speaker 2>because he doesn't have surveillance cameras inside his business going

0:56:13.480 --> 0:56:16.360
<v Speaker 2>but showing up to the business. Yeah, right, So the

0:56:16.440 --> 0:56:19.120
<v Speaker 2>other businesses did have security cameras, and the footage they

0:56:19.200 --> 0:56:23.759
<v Speaker 2>recorded did not corroborate his story. Oops. Oops oops. Now

0:56:23.840 --> 0:56:26.200
<v Speaker 2>guess old Larry Wayne Price Junior didn't think this far

0:56:26.320 --> 0:56:28.759
<v Speaker 2>into his story. Yeah, so when he was confronted with

0:56:29.000 --> 0:56:33.280
<v Speaker 2>the security footage from other businesses, Price changed his story again.

0:56:34.680 --> 0:56:36.640
<v Speaker 3>Meanwhile, did I say Pagan?

0:56:36.880 --> 0:56:37.040
<v Speaker 4>Yes?

0:56:37.840 --> 0:56:40.800
<v Speaker 3>No, I meant that I am a Pagan, that's my religion.

0:56:41.960 --> 0:56:43.240
<v Speaker 3>He did, hear me correctly.

0:56:43.520 --> 0:56:45.640
<v Speaker 2>He claimed that he really wanted to help the FBI

0:56:45.719 --> 0:56:48.600
<v Speaker 2>with their investigation. He wanted to help find the real

0:56:48.680 --> 0:56:49.520
<v Speaker 2>criminals who'd.

0:56:49.360 --> 0:56:51.400
<v Speaker 3>Done this killers.

0:56:51.640 --> 0:56:53.400
<v Speaker 2>So to do that, he provided a motive for the

0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:57.120
<v Speaker 2>outlaw bikers. So, according to Price, he had connections with

0:56:57.239 --> 0:57:01.040
<v Speaker 2>a railroad line. Wait, and the outlaw of bikers, the

0:57:01.080 --> 0:57:04.840
<v Speaker 2>alleged Pagans. They wanted to use his railroad connections so

0:57:04.960 --> 0:57:07.160
<v Speaker 2>they could transport meth by rail.

0:57:07.800 --> 0:57:12.080
<v Speaker 3>Well, that's you know, that's the next frontier ect people

0:57:12.120 --> 0:57:15.560
<v Speaker 3>who have highly portable means of transportation.

0:57:17.320 --> 0:57:18.120
<v Speaker 2>Can we put this on it?

0:57:18.240 --> 0:57:20.000
<v Speaker 3>No, I'd like to put it on a fixed track

0:57:21.040 --> 0:57:23.680
<v Speaker 3>that is in a highly regulated industry.

0:57:23.800 --> 0:57:26.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm moving a lot of meth. I needed something like

0:57:26.480 --> 0:57:27.200
<v Speaker 2>a box car.

0:57:27.400 --> 0:57:28.600
<v Speaker 3>I mean, are you kidding me?

0:57:29.000 --> 0:57:31.600
<v Speaker 2>So they demanded, according to him, that he give them

0:57:31.760 --> 0:57:34.360
<v Speaker 2>schedules for the coal trains so that they could use

0:57:34.440 --> 0:57:36.520
<v Speaker 2>those to traffic their meth. Like, can we just put

0:57:36.520 --> 0:57:38.680
<v Speaker 2>it underneath the coal? No, one looks past the top

0:57:38.720 --> 0:57:39.800
<v Speaker 2>of the coal, right, he wants.

0:57:40.080 --> 0:57:41.320
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I see what they're saying.

0:57:41.760 --> 0:57:46.160
<v Speaker 2>Wow, you see now it all makes sense, totally legit. Yeah, Sam,

0:57:46.600 --> 0:57:50.280
<v Speaker 2>very overly complicated plan for drug smugglers or whatever. Maybe

0:57:50.360 --> 0:57:52.960
<v Speaker 2>something the FBI would bite on. He was so pleased

0:57:52.960 --> 0:57:55.360
<v Speaker 2>with this new story he repeated it to the I R. S.

0:57:55.960 --> 0:57:57.600
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know there's something like in the back of

0:57:57.680 --> 0:57:59.840
<v Speaker 3>his mind, he's like, how can I cut down on

0:58:00.040 --> 0:58:02.800
<v Speaker 3>the CPS bill? But it got you know what, what

0:58:02.920 --> 0:58:07.520
<v Speaker 3>if I had people send me coke on the trains underneath.

0:58:07.040 --> 0:58:11.280
<v Speaker 2>The because we mind coal, of course we'd have.

0:58:11.320 --> 0:58:13.080
<v Speaker 3>You know, yeah, but the coal wouldn't be coming to you.

0:58:13.240 --> 0:58:18.040
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, all right, the equipment put it in the excavator.

0:58:18.600 --> 0:58:20.680
<v Speaker 2>And Elizabeth, what do we always say about lying to

0:58:20.760 --> 0:58:21.240
<v Speaker 2>the FBI?

0:58:21.560 --> 0:58:24.880
<v Speaker 3>Do not do it, don't do it. Don't lie to it, buddy, don't.

0:58:25.560 --> 0:58:28.480
<v Speaker 2>All by itself in there too. So it turns out

0:58:28.560 --> 0:58:31.480
<v Speaker 2>there were no outlaw biker gangs, no pagans who are

0:58:31.560 --> 0:58:35.560
<v Speaker 2>involved in the making of this lie. Mean while we

0:58:35.800 --> 0:58:38.440
<v Speaker 2>know this because, according to news outlet k r t V,

0:58:39.160 --> 0:58:42.880
<v Speaker 2>FBI investigators did find someone to help corroborate his story,

0:58:43.040 --> 0:58:46.320
<v Speaker 2>a local Virginia woman who worked at a restaurant, and

0:58:46.520 --> 0:58:49.320
<v Speaker 2>she told him that she and Larry Wayne Price Junior

0:58:49.400 --> 0:58:51.680
<v Speaker 2>had been intimate and they were all like all booed up,

0:58:51.840 --> 0:58:53.800
<v Speaker 2>loved it. Yeah, And so while they would be like

0:58:53.880 --> 0:58:57.000
<v Speaker 2>kissing and canoodle and sometimes talk would turn to how

0:58:57.160 --> 0:59:01.640
<v Speaker 2>Larry Wayne could disappear And I don't mean like I

0:59:01.720 --> 0:59:03.880
<v Speaker 2>mean disappear like fake is death and run off with

0:59:04.000 --> 0:59:06.560
<v Speaker 2>her and all the money he'd stolen from the coal industry.

0:59:07.080 --> 0:59:10.200
<v Speaker 3>Like I just I feel like if someone says like

0:59:10.880 --> 0:59:13.440
<v Speaker 3>I think I can fake my death and run off.

0:59:13.360 --> 0:59:15.480
<v Speaker 2>With you, Yeah, with millions of dollars I stole.

0:59:15.640 --> 0:59:18.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna tell you right now, is as enticing as

0:59:18.680 --> 0:59:21.120
<v Speaker 3>that may be anyone within earshot.

0:59:20.800 --> 0:59:22.960
<v Speaker 2>Before he started picking out your shoes, swear to god.

0:59:22.880 --> 0:59:25.600
<v Speaker 3>It's just not it's not gonna happen. It's not gonna work,

0:59:25.680 --> 0:59:28.000
<v Speaker 3>and then we're gonna be yucking it up about you.

0:59:28.840 --> 0:59:30.400
<v Speaker 3>Always keep that in the back of my mind. Am

0:59:30.440 --> 0:59:32.600
<v Speaker 3>I going to do something that these two goose balls

0:59:32.600 --> 0:59:33.640
<v Speaker 3>are going to make fun of me for?

0:59:34.280 --> 0:59:34.880
<v Speaker 2>You don't want to do?

0:59:35.040 --> 0:59:35.520
<v Speaker 3>Don't do it?

0:59:36.040 --> 0:59:38.520
<v Speaker 2>So, according to this local waitress, around the same time

0:59:38.560 --> 0:59:41.920
<v Speaker 2>the price was reported missing, the waitress popped over to Walmart,

0:59:41.960 --> 0:59:45.160
<v Speaker 2>where she bought some red Bulls some cokes, along with

0:59:45.360 --> 0:59:48.400
<v Speaker 2>some chips, as well as underwear, socks, and towels.

0:59:48.920 --> 0:59:52.919
<v Speaker 3>That sounds about right. That is good everything, a road

0:59:53.000 --> 0:59:54.200
<v Speaker 3>tripp value.

0:59:54.000 --> 0:59:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Perhaps a prolonged stay, and cheap motels that don't have

0:59:56.960 --> 0:59:57.520
<v Speaker 2>good towels.

0:59:57.640 --> 0:59:59.600
<v Speaker 3>She wants. She wants some fresh honey, pants.

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<v Speaker 2>Once they gathered up their bug out supplies from Walmart.

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<v Speaker 2>She also went purchased and the bag of Fritos, some.

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<v Speaker 3>Clean underwear ven I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't want to have any Hershey Highway home when I'm

1:00:15.560 --> 1:00:19.680
<v Speaker 2>on the run, only clean boxers from He's gonna be

1:00:19.880 --> 1:00:24.480
<v Speaker 2>CROs So she went out. Also purchased a new burner

1:00:24.560 --> 1:00:26.720
<v Speaker 2>cell phone so you know, they could contact people to

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<v Speaker 2>start their new.

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<v Speaker 3>Life together on the lamb excellent, and probably bought it

1:00:30.280 --> 1:00:32.280
<v Speaker 3>with a credit card orbit cards.

1:00:32.360 --> 1:00:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, she definitely bought it with a surveillance.

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<v Speaker 3>Because we know about it. Hello, we're talking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So then she went and she waited for Price at

1:00:38.840 --> 1:00:42.320
<v Speaker 2>her father's house in Tazewell County, which was unoccupied at

1:00:42.360 --> 1:00:45.680
<v Speaker 2>the time, not the county her father's house that interestingly

1:00:45.920 --> 1:00:49.680
<v Speaker 2>prices emptied for it. Price was spotted on the side

1:00:49.680 --> 1:00:51.760
<v Speaker 2>of the road that night that she went to her

1:00:51.840 --> 1:00:54.840
<v Speaker 2>father's house to wait for him, and he was discovered

1:00:54.960 --> 1:00:58.080
<v Speaker 2>just two miles away from that same home. He might

1:00:58.160 --> 1:01:00.640
<v Speaker 2>have been walking there and just happened to be spotted

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<v Speaker 2>by somebody who was driving the old country road. Wow, Elizabeth,

1:01:03.960 --> 1:01:06.720
<v Speaker 2>he was so close, so close, just two miles between

1:01:06.800 --> 1:01:09.280
<v Speaker 2>him and freedom and a bunch of Fredo's.

1:01:09.600 --> 1:01:12.240
<v Speaker 3>Red Bulls and wearing her underpants.

1:01:11.760 --> 1:01:13.880
<v Speaker 2>And then some pain in the neck in his bystander

1:01:13.960 --> 1:01:16.320
<v Speaker 2>gets in the wings. So once the law had the

1:01:16.360 --> 1:01:18.400
<v Speaker 2>evidence of his plans to cut and run with the

1:01:18.480 --> 1:01:21.480
<v Speaker 2>local waitress, Price was no longer seen as the victim

1:01:21.560 --> 1:01:24.800
<v Speaker 2>of a crime and rather he was the purpy. So

1:01:25.000 --> 1:01:28.120
<v Speaker 2>he was arrested on May tenth, twenty eighteen, charged with

1:01:28.320 --> 1:01:32.000
<v Speaker 2>federal crimes, and he was bonded out at a half

1:01:32.080 --> 1:01:34.280
<v Speaker 2>million dollars on a secured bond. He was given a

1:01:34.400 --> 1:01:37.480
<v Speaker 2>GPS ankle monitor because he was a flight risk. And

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<v Speaker 2>in the meantime, the federal investigators looked into what all

1:01:40.640 --> 1:01:45.160
<v Speaker 2>was going down at Signal Peak Energy that resulted in

1:01:45.280 --> 1:01:49.440
<v Speaker 2>more federal charges exactly because if you included Larry Wayne,

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<v Speaker 2>there were nine executives at Signal Peak Energy who and

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<v Speaker 2>along with their associates, who were charged with federal crimes

1:01:56.760 --> 1:01:58.520
<v Speaker 2>thanks to this guy getting us.

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<v Speaker 3>This is why when you get your your PG and

1:02:02.320 --> 1:02:05.920
<v Speaker 3>EVE your electrical bill, and do you see it like, oh, okay,

1:02:06.120 --> 1:02:08.200
<v Speaker 3>this is what I'm paying for As you're hanging out,

1:02:08.320 --> 1:02:11.240
<v Speaker 3>various criminals in the energy sector.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally totally their hankiness is why your bill goes up. Yeah,

1:02:14.000 --> 1:02:17.480
<v Speaker 2>that and the AI data center. So this group is

1:02:17.640 --> 1:02:20.040
<v Speaker 2>den of bad, greedy men.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, they unbelievable nine executive How big was this company

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<v Speaker 3>and their associates?

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<v Speaker 2>I just said nine executives from Signal Peak Energy from other.

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<v Speaker 3>Companies to the impression Signal Peak wasn't enormous. It's basically

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<v Speaker 3>and they're like, you know, the executive assistant, your executive

1:02:37.120 --> 1:02:38.400
<v Speaker 3>will put you in that list too.

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<v Speaker 2>So when Larry Wayne gets grilled by the Feds, he

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<v Speaker 2>insists that he was just one bad apple and a

1:02:44.600 --> 1:02:48.360
<v Speaker 2>bunch of rotten apples. So he claimed that his boss,

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<v Speaker 2>the former president and CEO of Signal Peak Energy, old

1:02:51.960 --> 1:02:54.479
<v Speaker 2>Brad Hanson, Yeah, who I mentioned earlier, was the real

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<v Speaker 2>mastermind behind all of them do it, the embezzlement and

1:02:57.880 --> 1:03:01.280
<v Speaker 2>the million dollar thefts from business partners. He taught me

1:03:01.960 --> 1:03:04.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to do it, No, no, he was, and

1:03:04.080 --> 1:03:06.800
<v Speaker 2>he told me you start, you start three solutions, and

1:03:06.840 --> 1:03:10.720
<v Speaker 2>then you can just milk this place for them. Larry

1:03:10.720 --> 1:03:12.840
<v Speaker 2>Wayne claimed that there was a culture of crime at

1:03:12.960 --> 1:03:16.120
<v Speaker 2>Signal Peak Energy and that he was but one cog

1:03:16.200 --> 1:03:19.640
<v Speaker 2>and a truly corrupt machine. Right, Unfortunately for him and

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<v Speaker 2>for Justice, Hanson, the former CEO, died at his Florida

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<v Speaker 2>home in twenty twenty before he could be questioned in

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<v Speaker 2>stand trial to corroborate if any of this was true. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>as for Signal Peak Energy, the company was fined for,

1:03:31.840 --> 1:03:34.800
<v Speaker 2>according to the New York Times quote, failing to report

1:03:34.920 --> 1:03:38.640
<v Speaker 2>worker injuries and for illegally dumping toxic slurry, chemicals and

1:03:38.760 --> 1:03:42.200
<v Speaker 2>unprocessed soil containing heavy metals arsenic and lead into an

1:03:42.200 --> 1:03:44.000
<v Speaker 2>abandoned section of the mine.

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<v Speaker 3>But it stack fingers.

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<v Speaker 2>There was also a bunch of lawsuits filed by locals

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<v Speaker 2>and environmentalist because they had been basically breaking all of

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<v Speaker 2>the regulations. So like the water was bad for the

1:03:57.000 --> 1:04:00.480
<v Speaker 2>local the cows that the ranchers were like dealing with

1:04:00.600 --> 1:04:01.200
<v Speaker 2>their dying.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, but they drained the reservoir three feet of singers.

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<v Speaker 3>That's where they're throwing.

1:04:07.000 --> 1:04:09.040
<v Speaker 2>The fingers and a couple toes. Now. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>about you, may Elizabeth, but I don't think a million

1:04:12.000 --> 1:04:14.520
<v Speaker 2>dollar fine is going to correct this sort of culture corruption,

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<v Speaker 2>if anything, to kind of be priced in is just

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<v Speaker 2>another cost of doing business.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly. It takes money to make money, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Say, this because, as The New York Times noted, and

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<v Speaker 2>I quote, industry experts say, the criminal activity points to

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<v Speaker 2>a bigger mystery. Despite the embezzlement, and despite the coal

1:04:28.960 --> 1:04:32.680
<v Speaker 2>industry's protracted decline, the company has been able to survive.

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<v Speaker 2>Many of Signal Peak's better positioned industry peers lost money

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<v Speaker 2>on call exports and went bankrupt. So what's Signal Peak Energy?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Big secret? Yeah, might it be international money laundering because

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<v Speaker 2>remember the whole Putent inner circle thing. Yeah, keep that

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<v Speaker 2>in mind. Now to point out one energy financial analyst

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<v Speaker 2>from the Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis, a

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<v Speaker 2>gentleman named Clark Williams Dairy. He told The Times quote

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<v Speaker 2>never quite made sense to me. How did Signal Peak

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<v Speaker 2>Energy even stay afloat? Now, like I said, I'm no

1:05:05.280 --> 1:05:08.680
<v Speaker 2>energy sector insider, a normal I am some coal mining expert,

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<v Speaker 2>but I do no crime. And may I suggest that

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<v Speaker 2>the Putin crony as I just did the member of

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<v Speaker 2>his inner circle. That's the big red flag for me that,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you want to know how they stayed in business,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you. I got it for you. Check the

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<v Speaker 2>Panama papers. Yeah, well, so basically transnational corruption. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I saw it out in New York Times. But these folks,

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<v Speaker 2>they have plenty of money to burn, right, all kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of illegal flows of capital. What do they care about

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<v Speaker 2>the economic health of the mining industry or even environmental laws?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh at all. Once he was in court, Larry Wayne

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<v Speaker 2>Price Junior confess that thanks to a scheme of over

1:05:42.240 --> 1:05:45.280
<v Speaker 2>billing and fake equipment sales and whatnot, he was able

1:05:45.320 --> 1:05:49.080
<v Speaker 2>to steal roughly forty million dollars in total. He was

1:05:49.120 --> 1:05:51.720
<v Speaker 2>eventually convicted for his crimes, and in October twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>he was sentenced to five years in prison plus three

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<v Speaker 2>years of probation after his prison sentence was complete. The

1:05:57.760 --> 1:06:01.360
<v Speaker 2>question for me is will that prison sentence be enough

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<v Speaker 2>to dissuade any future Larry Wayne's absolutely and you know

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<v Speaker 2>from attempting similar schemes.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely not. He won't do the full five No, he'll

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<v Speaker 3>get a job coming out, because it's not like part

1:06:11.680 --> 1:06:15.080
<v Speaker 3>of the sentence is that you're forbidden from working in

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<v Speaker 3>the industry energy industry, So he'll just get another gig.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, it seems like fines in prisons time, as I

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<v Speaker 2>said earlier, just another cost to factor in as a

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<v Speaker 2>price of doing business. Yeah, like oh, you got a

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<v Speaker 2>five year sentence tool all right, because it's gonna be like,

1:06:28.040 --> 1:06:30.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, low security prison and whatnot. So it's all

1:06:30.880 --> 1:06:32.760
<v Speaker 2>he's gonna have to worry about getting stabbed up by

1:06:32.800 --> 1:06:36.439
<v Speaker 2>anybody inside anyway. So also, if a person is able

1:06:36.480 --> 1:06:39.640
<v Speaker 2>to successfully offshore, they're ill gotten gains. This is just

1:06:39.760 --> 1:06:41.920
<v Speaker 2>like a five year vacation and they go off to

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<v Speaker 2>get to be rich and wherever they want around the world. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>if it weren't for his local waitress slash accomplice coming

1:06:48.400 --> 1:06:52.560
<v Speaker 2>clean about her involvement, justice might never have happened because

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<v Speaker 2>it was difficult to make this case until she came

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<v Speaker 2>forward for her so you know. And also not all

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<v Speaker 2>these guys are as dumb as old Larry Wayne, so

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<v Speaker 2>like some of them don't have the wags getting them

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<v Speaker 2>the clean shonies. Yeah, he's like, what our dream baby. Meanwhile,

1:07:06.880 --> 1:07:10.280
<v Speaker 2>there was that dream home, I'm sorry, dream castle, including

1:07:10.320 --> 1:07:12.760
<v Speaker 2>the moat and the stone tower and whatnot, the indoor

1:07:12.840 --> 1:07:15.920
<v Speaker 2>shooting range, the golf simulator, the bowling alley, the screening room,

1:07:16.320 --> 1:07:19.360
<v Speaker 2>indoor outdoor kitchens. By the way, once again they pointed

1:07:19.360 --> 1:07:21.560
<v Speaker 2>out still for sale. So if you're willing to get

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<v Speaker 2>out there, to concoct some illicit international business and see,

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to swing it, this could be yours. Perfect, Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 2>I got to ask a question to you, Now, what's

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<v Speaker 2>a ridiculous takeaway here?

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<v Speaker 3>These people are crooked? And I say, and it's like

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<v Speaker 3>I gesture wildly. People are cooked. What's yours?

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<v Speaker 2>The the current administration might look favorably on someone who

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<v Speaker 2>tries to pull off some crimes of this nation, as

1:07:47.680 --> 1:07:49.600
<v Speaker 2>long as they're willing to kick a bribe up the ladder.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, like, if you're going to read the wind,

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<v Speaker 2>now's the time to make these moves. There you go,

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<v Speaker 2>so you moved for a talkback.

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<v Speaker 3>To watch all. I always am, oh my god, I jet.

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<v Speaker 5>Dark Becca here. I tell kids' stories almost weekly, and

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<v Speaker 5>I always have them close their eyes to help them

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<v Speaker 5>from being distracted. And no one day I was like,

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<v Speaker 5>you know what Saren and Elizabeth would do. They'd say,

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<v Speaker 5>close your eyes and the kids would say back, my

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<v Speaker 5>eyes are closed, and then they'd say picture it. And

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<v Speaker 5>so that's what I do now with the kids.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so those are now the coolest kids because they're

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<v Speaker 3>quoting us, quoting Dree. Oh my god, I love that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's effective though, right, like to center yourself into Becca.

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<v Speaker 3>I am so proud of you, hope.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you're enjoying a great summer of dark or

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it's still spring Rebecca, though.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you know, I don't want us to be

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<v Speaker 3>Dark Rebecca and Dark Elizabeth forever.

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<v Speaker 2>So you guys can like, you know, position in and

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<v Speaker 2>out of it.

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<v Speaker 3>You're doing good work though, Honestly, like telling stories to kids,

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<v Speaker 3>oh yeah, doesn't like if you're not familiar, it might

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<v Speaker 3>be like, okay, well what's that now? That is like

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<v Speaker 3>some of the most serious, essential future building work anyone

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<v Speaker 3>can do. And so Dark Becca hats off to you,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you for that.

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