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Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: Aaron Burnett yells, so and so, I.

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Speaker 2: Love seeing the smile on your face when you walk

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Speaker 2: in the door. Sometimes, thanks, I mean all the time.

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Speaker 2: I like seeing it. But like sometimes you walk in

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Speaker 2: with a smile. You don't always walk in with a smile,

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Speaker 2: but I always like it when you do.

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Speaker 3: It's drugs.

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Speaker 2: Well keep doing it because I've been hitting this.

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Speaker 3: New street drug called Adville. Oh yeah, good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Do you like that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: The kid's pushing it on you nice.

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Speaker 3: I like to ride the vill.

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Speaker 2: I got a question for you. Yes, do you know

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Speaker 2: it's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: I do know it's ridiculous. Let me give you a

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Speaker 3: little backstory. This isn't going to take a whole long.

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Speaker 3: I officiated a friend's wedding a few years back, and

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Speaker 3: another friend of mine Lisa, Lisa, if you're listening, I'm

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Speaker 3: about to tell the story. We're talking the night before,

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Speaker 3: and I told her that when I was doing the

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Speaker 3: you know, officiating, I was gonna before I got up,

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Speaker 3: rub chocolate pudding across my teeth and do the whole

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Speaker 3: ceremony like that. And then she was calling me old

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Speaker 3: pudden tooth and we oh, we laughed, Saren, Saren, we laughed.

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Speaker 3: We still talk about it occasionally this day, Old Pudden Tooth,

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Speaker 3: So keeping that in mind, there's a toothcare brand called

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Speaker 3: His Smile, And I think I've talked about them before

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Speaker 3: doing stuff probably, And so you think, like, well, if

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Speaker 3: I was old Pudden tooth, I need to use toothpaste

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Speaker 3: to get the pudding off my teeth before I officiated

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Speaker 3: a wedding.

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Speaker 2: Right, I'm so praying this is not a mashup.

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Speaker 3: Well, the Lord doesn't always answer her boy's prayers because

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Speaker 3: His Smile has teamed up with Reeses to offer Reese's

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Speaker 3: like peanut butter cup toothpaste, so.

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Speaker 2: To be like a cadberry egg Easter thing.

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Speaker 3: No, it's just peanut butter cup toothpaste, so you too

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Speaker 3: can be old put in tooth? Do you put it?

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Speaker 3: It tastes like recy cups, but with a cool finish,

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Speaker 3: as they say, so it's it's sugar free, don't worry

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Speaker 3: about it has floride in it. Sorry RFK parents, It

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Speaker 3: says it delivers the signature Reese's flavor, although I prefer

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Speaker 3: the Southern pronunciation of recy cups up front before finishing

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Speaker 3: with his smiles cooling after feel it's only his.

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Speaker 2: Smile is just interesting branding.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot going on there, like yeah, but also

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Speaker 3: it reminds me of those ads like during football season

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Speaker 3: where it's like, oh, we got to be nice to

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Speaker 3: each other and it's like an ad for Jesus. Well,

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Speaker 3: his smile sounds like Jesus toothpaste, like because it's capital.

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Speaker 2: H okay, like the Lord's smile.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but not in this case because it looks like

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Speaker 3: it looks like lot when you put it on there.

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Speaker 3: And so here's the thing. You can only get it

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Speaker 3: in Australia and New Zealand via his smile website. So

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Speaker 3: they're attacking the Southern hemisphere first before they.

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Speaker 2: Move north, doing some test marketing down there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So if you want to be put in tooth jones,

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Speaker 3: this is a way to do it and clean your

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Speaker 3: teeth at the same time. And for anyone listening in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand and Australia, do not spend the money to

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Speaker 3: send this to us. I love when you guys do

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Speaker 3: stuff like that, but please don't give them any money.

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Speaker 3: Don't encourage this, and that, my friends, is ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: It is ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Put in tooth Jesus toothpaste.

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Speaker 2: Do you know then what hell is ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: The price of a new home in America, Oh God

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Speaker 2: tell me right. And some people, Elizabeth will do anything,

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Speaker 2: and I mean anything to own their dream home. I

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Speaker 2: mean anything. Oh no, this is ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: Crime A podcast about absurd and outrages, capers, heists, and cons.

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Speaker 4: It's always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred

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Speaker 4: percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Elizabeth Sara.

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Speaker 2: Today, I want to tell you a story about a

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Speaker 2: dream home. Okay, not like a Barbie dream home, like

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Speaker 3: Dream actual Like I have dreams about it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess you might call it a castle a dreams. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and what one man was willing to do to afford

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Speaker 2: his dream castle. Now, I know you have frequent flyer

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Speaker 2: mileage on that website Zillow. Like you love zillo right,

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Speaker 2: do I love it?

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Speaker 3: It's so good If you're nosy.

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Speaker 2: I know, right, you show me you send me text

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Speaker 2: messages about it, and I'm like, yeah, sometimes I look

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Speaker 2: not always sometimes I do like if if you sell

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Speaker 2: it well enough, yeah, Like I just don't find the

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Speaker 2: same delight you do. But I respect your game, right,

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Speaker 2: So I went to Zillo for this story. Nice, and

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Speaker 2: I want to show you something.

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Speaker 3: You've never been walking down the street and looked at

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Speaker 3: the house and then like, I wonder what the story

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Speaker 3: is there?

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Speaker 2: What do you mean the story? Like the cost or

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Speaker 2: like how many bedrooms they have inside?

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Speaker 3: The history? What are you paying in Texas? When was

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Speaker 3: it last purchase?

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Speaker 2: What would be your mortgage payment?

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Speaker 3: Did you not have the realtor scrub it so that

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Speaker 3: the listing descriptions are still in there in all forty pictures?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, good call. You know so, I know that

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Speaker 2: this is not a visual medium per se, but here

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Speaker 2: I am.

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Speaker 3: I'm gone.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to call up a page on because you

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Speaker 2: need to see this dream house, I mean dreamcastle. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to show you some picks and if you don't mind,

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Speaker 2: if you could describe what you see. And now, if

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Speaker 2: you want to play along, you can go to Zillo

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Speaker 2: and check out the address. The dream Castle is located

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Speaker 2: at fifty six fifty Canyon Woods. That's canyon woods like

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Speaker 2: trees all one word canyon Woods drive in Billings, Montana. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: zip code five nine one zero six. Okay, No, this

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Speaker 2: home was built in twenty fourteen, so keep that in mind. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Now away we go.

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Speaker 3: M Dreamcastle sounds like it's nineteen eighty six and like

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Speaker 3: you're a junior high kid who's all into like fantasy

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Speaker 3: heavy metal, and that's the name of your band, Dreamcastle,

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Speaker 3: dream Castle.

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Speaker 2: So there you go. There's the opening slide. Oh okay,

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Speaker 2: now go to slide the second slide, and Elizabeth, can

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Speaker 2: you describe what you're looking at this?

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Speaker 3: This looks like a ski resort that like Cosner invested

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Speaker 3: in and then forgot about. It's like, wait a second,

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Speaker 3: what is Is it all hand hewn from the rocks

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Speaker 3: around it? It's kind of it's all it's stone work

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Speaker 2: Stone work on the It's a castle. It has like

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Speaker 2: a whole stone tower. It has a mode.

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Speaker 3: You could say that.

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Speaker 2: So check a few other slides and but stop whatever

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Speaker 2: to the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: Looks like, you know, I've never been in a Great

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Speaker 3: Wolf lodge, but if this is a Great Wolf, looks

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Speaker 3: like a ski resort like outside of Tahoe.

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Speaker 2: Right to the laundry room.

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Speaker 3: Oh, there's a good laundry room. These people do their

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Speaker 3: own laundry.

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Speaker 2: You'll notice it has three side by side washing machines

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Speaker 2: and dryers.

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Speaker 3: There's so many kitchens.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we'll come back to.

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Speaker 3: That, and like everything's beige.

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Speaker 2: Have you gotten to the three side by side.

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Speaker 3: Washing I'm looking at like the you know, the the

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Speaker 3: But these probably don't own books, are.

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Speaker 2: It is? Yeah? There you go.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So there's everything by the way, is like pre

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Speaker 3: manufactured cabinetry, and then like marble floors, marble counters, and

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Speaker 3: then three washer dryer systems like stacks sacked okay, and

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Speaker 3: I love that they have to illustrate folded towels on

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Speaker 3: the table. Man, you can't put books on the bookshelves.

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Speaker 2: Keep going and tell me when you get to the

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Speaker 2: bowling alley.

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Speaker 3: No, okay, yeah, now this.

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Speaker 2: Double bowling alley.

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Speaker 3: Actually, this must be just riveting for people.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't it look like somewhere you'd bowl if you're

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Speaker 2: in the home of like a Las Vegas casino owner.

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Speaker 3: Very much so, because it's part of it is like

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Speaker 3: what I'm trying to describe to people here is that

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Speaker 3: it's not so much like an organic decor of like

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Speaker 3: you build a house. This looks like the inside of

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Speaker 3: like you're saying, like a casino. So it has like

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Speaker 3: plank wood walls that are artificially distressed, and so you're there.

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Speaker 3: They run lengthwise on the wall, so it's like you're

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Speaker 3: in an old barn, but you're also bowling. And then

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Speaker 3: there's acoustic ceilings like I don't know what's happening here.

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Speaker 2: Slide a couple of more frames ahead and see, tell

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Speaker 2: me when you get to the shooting ring.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm at the shooting ring.

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Speaker 2: That's a legit indoor shooting rang. Okay, can you go

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Speaker 2: full John Wick in there?

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Speaker 3: It's terrifying, yes, But also on the walls, it looks

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Speaker 3: like that there's nothing in those racks. But I swear

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Speaker 3: to god, those look like wine wracks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they took all the shooting ring. They took all

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to pretend that's a shooting range. Slash sell.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I like that.

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Speaker 2: Slide a couple ahead and tell me when you get

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Speaker 2: to the screening room.

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Speaker 3: Well there's okay, yeah, because I see there's one that's

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Speaker 3: like has Oh there's a golf room with like the

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Speaker 3: screening because God forbid you go outside.

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Speaker 2: I wait till we get out.

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Speaker 3: Get is Kevin Costner going to pop out of one

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Speaker 3: of these things? Okay?

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Speaker 2: What do you think about those shiny leather high back recliners.

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Speaker 2: Huh Now, personally I would have couches. You know, that's

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Speaker 2: something company to say, like leather recliners.

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Speaker 3: I mean it goes with the fake stars on the ceiling.

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Speaker 2: But what do I know? I don't have a screening room.

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Speaker 3: The gym. There you go the gym the comedy like

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Speaker 3: twenty People.

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Speaker 2: It looks like something that you find in an upscale

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Speaker 2: business hotel.

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Speaker 3: It does right at it, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: It's like it's the kind of it's the sort of

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Speaker 2: gym equipment that you would use when you're about to

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Speaker 2: be harassed by the sales manager for like some company.

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Speaker 3: Or I imagine it. Outside the door, there's like a plaque

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Speaker 3: on the wall that's like, yes, you know, gym equipment

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Speaker 3: by Equinox. Like it's like a spinoff.

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Speaker 2: Now, how about that cave dining area? Did you get

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Speaker 2: to that yet?

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Speaker 3: The little grotto?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like somewhere you'd eat a meal just before

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Speaker 2: you get killed by Benicio del Toro.

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Speaker 3: I wish right, go to the.

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Speaker 2: Tennis courts and the private three hole golf range.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking at the outside. God, this place. It totally

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Speaker 3: looks like a like a resort where you go for

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Speaker 2: You see yeah? Do you get outside yet? You're outside?

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Speaker 2: Do you see that the tennis the double tennis courts

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Speaker 3: You know that's pickleball. That's not These people don't play tennis,

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Speaker 2: This is kind of set up you get if you

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Speaker 2: sell missiles by the billions to the US government, you

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: You haven't defense contractor money.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this whole thing, it's just so it's so

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Speaker 2: Yes, it somehow strikes you're a big balance.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're going to be the eccentric multi millionaire

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Speaker 3: You're gonna have to tell me how many square feet this?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I got all that for you. I know

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Speaker 3: All I think is like, well, what's your electricity?

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Speaker 2: You have? You have a whole step You're not thinking

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Speaker 3: I know. But it's like, if you're going to do that,

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Speaker 2: I want people to like do what Elvis did at Graceland,

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Speaker 2: which is just make it your own, like have a.

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Speaker 3: Jungle room exactly.

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Speaker 2: Now, now that you've seen the dream House, Dreamcastle, Elizabeth, how.

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Speaker 3: Many garages this place? And what cars are outside?

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Speaker 2: If you had to guess, how much would you say

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Speaker 3: And you said it's in Boise Billings Billings? Okay, so

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Speaker 3: they have a higher market out there because of people

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Speaker 3: like Kevin Costner. Yeah, here, how many acres is it?

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Speaker 2: I'll break it down for you, because here's a quick

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Speaker 2: rundown of the specs. That place boasts ten bedrooms, nineteen bathrooms.

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Speaker 2: There's fifteen full bathrooms, four houses, Like.

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Speaker 3: You could have nine friends over ten and b pooping

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone poops to the same peak.

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Speaker 3: Have you could serve something that makes everyone sick from

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Speaker 3: one of your fifteen kitchens? No, No, they'll run. You're like,

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Speaker 2: Everyone take a bathroom. Your names are outside of your bathroom,

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Speaker 2: so we have This place has a personal and commercial elevators,

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Speaker 2: like for your deliveries, I suppose, or maybe for your staff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So some of the features you've looked at right, there's

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Speaker 2: three pools, two outdoors, one indoor pool. Okay, there's the

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Speaker 2: wine cellar. There's a full gym with locker rooms. Mind

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Speaker 2: you and Elizabeth, as you noted, since you love to cook,

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Speaker 2: there are multiple kitchens, both indoor and outdoor kitchens laural.

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Speaker 2: There's the three horrile golf course and the tennis courts,

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Speaker 2: along with some private hiking trails if you'd like to

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Speaker 2: get around that way. All in all, this dreamcastle is

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Speaker 2: thirty and forty three square feet seventy acre plot of.

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Speaker 3: Land, all right, seventy acres.

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Speaker 2: Somehow this place is listed as a single family residence,

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Speaker 2: which I find hilarious. So, now with all that info, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: I was so hard to keep I had.

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Speaker 3: Keep thinking about, like, put it where it is? How

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Speaker 3: many acres seventy seventy acre plutty thousand square thirty thousand

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Speaker 2: Yeah, multiple elevators, just own shooting range.

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Speaker 3: Twenty five million.

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Speaker 2: Wow, you're good. Twenty six point nine million dollars. And

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Speaker 2: that's ten million more than it was listed for when

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Speaker 2: it was originally built.

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Speaker 3: And purchased twelve years ago.

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Speaker 2: Now, if you wanted to do an estimated mortgage payment,

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Speaker 2: I looked into this. I love that one hundred and

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Speaker 2: I have a salary, I would be happy with that

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Speaker 3: It would take me multiple years to pay one month.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. And I forgot to know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a little short one.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned your man, Kevin Costner. Okay, my man in

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Speaker 2: that place is located in Yellowstone County, Montana. Is it

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Speaker 2: in the city of Billings, Yeah, so Yellowstone Elizabeth Dutton.

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Speaker 3: Dude, I told you. I told you what happened the

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Speaker 3: other day. I was, actually I was. My mom was

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Speaker 3: Mom's just like I was like, oh, dude, no, I

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Speaker 3: and she and she said no, but her name's Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: And the guy was like, oh, I'm screwed. I was like,

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Speaker 3: I've never seen the show get stuffed.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of crime in Minnesota or Montana rather, well, we

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Speaker 3: I would say approximately zero.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't really expect you ever really answer.

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Speaker 3: It's not my joint, that's not my thing. But there

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Speaker 3: are people I could see how people would covet such at.

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Speaker 2: Right, But that was the question for our Man of

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Speaker 2: the hour. How much crime do you do.

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Speaker 3: There's going to be a lot of crime, because okay,

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Speaker 3: so it's let's say you get what is it, twenty

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Speaker 3: I said, okay, so now you got the upkeep.

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Speaker 2: Yes, oh yeah, so it's.

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Speaker 3: One hundred and fifty something, just sixty grand.

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Speaker 2: But for your three whole golf course.

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Speaker 3: All the maintenance outside, the cleaning crews you'd have to

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Speaker 2: Just to clean the windows would be then thousands of months.

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Speaker 2: And then the water bill, no, forget about the water.

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Speaker 2: But you don't even want to see that h VAC.

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Speaker 3: All those giant rooms and are like three story rooms

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Speaker 3: and it's cold as bajeebers outside when it's snowing. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: and you're trapped in there too, like.

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Speaker 2: The Overlook Hotel, like the shining like in there, Like I.

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Speaker 3: Have so much respect for people who can live in

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Speaker 2: No, you were not so. Our man of the hour,

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Speaker 2: he decided the answer to the question of how much

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Speaker 3: Of the could It's like, give me more.

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Speaker 2: Now at present, Elizabeth this dreamcastle is still for sale.

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Speaker 2: The listing is not moving.

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Speaker 3: That's a live listing with all those pictures.

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Speaker 2: He has been on the market for two hundred and

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Speaker 2: sixty six days as of today.

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Speaker 3: All those high end properties, it's hard to move them.

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Speaker 2: You know, Like if especially a Curt's like me and.

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Speaker 3: You like to poke around, you see that, like the

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Speaker 3: like crazy properties in like Wine Country or like San

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Speaker 3: Francisco Pacific Nights. They stay on the market for really long.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sometimes like and then like they don't even

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Speaker 2: a year, they're like, oh, we're still hopeful, so about it.

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Speaker 3: Probably wants to look at this listing again. She's bored.

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Speaker 2: So if you do change your mind and you decide

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Speaker 2: to go full Beth Dutton and do crime in Montana, sure,

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Speaker 2: if you're willing to embezzel, say twenty million dollars, you

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Speaker 2: is our Man of the hour is.

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Speaker 3: Who is man?

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Speaker 2: His name is Larry Wayne Price Junior.

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Speaker 3: Is it Larry Wayne one word.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not like Mark Wayne Old Marquaine. That's how

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Speaker 2: I say it.

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Speaker 3: It's Mark Wain.

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Speaker 2: That's your mama named Mark Wayne. He pronounced it Markwain,

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Speaker 2: So Larry Wayne. He was a forty two year old

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Speaker 2: was a businessman who worked in the extractive industries that

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Speaker 2: run rampant in Montana. In particular, he ran surface operations

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Speaker 2: for an underground coal mine near round Up, Montana.

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Speaker 3: Right, this is the mineral rights and that totally extraction,

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Speaker 3: like clearing people's pores.

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Speaker 2: No, is that what they call that? I think so,

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Speaker 2: I'd figure like tooth extraction. Its only distraction.

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Speaker 3: He's just a tooth guy.

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Speaker 2: Bigger, big, big in the dentistry. So, Larry Wayne Price Junior,

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Speaker 2: it was more than any like simple description might convey.

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Speaker 2: Like the man, he contained multitudes, Elizabeth. For instance, he

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Speaker 2: was the owner operator of hog Pit Cycles. That's hog

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Speaker 3: For weekend Warriors. It's like he sells the Harley Fat

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Speaker 3: Boys to like total you know, insurance salesman exactly. I

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Speaker 2: That's our man of the day. Real estate appreciator, motorcycle salesman,

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Speaker 2: hog rider, corrupt mining entrepreneur, and business partner to Vladimir

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Speaker 2: Putin's inner circle.

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Speaker 3: Whoah, yeah, that came.

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Speaker 2: Out that right, and I forgot. He's also a man

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Speaker 2: death or at least his own kidnapping. He's a fun one.

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Speaker 2: This story is about again, all kinds of while, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: But first it's like a little break now that I've

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Speaker 2: broken the ice. And when we're back, we'll hear all

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Speaker 2: about how Larry Wayne Price Junior like to get down.

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Speaker 3: I cannot wait.

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Speaker 2: We're back, Elizabeth, we are back. You're ready to get

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Speaker 2: down and dirty with Larry Wayne.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, totally young again.

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Speaker 2: I guess we should start with the coal industry of Montana.

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Speaker 3: Right, are we going to go back to Memo sec

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Speaker 3: You're not going to go back to go back to

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Speaker 3: like prehistoric times?

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. I won't take you back to

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Speaker 2: the fifteenth century or to the Neolithic period of the

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Speaker 2: Paleolithic or any of that. No, right, we will stay

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Speaker 2: in this age. Okay, Elizabeth, what do you know about

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Speaker 2: my answer is it happens.

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Speaker 3: That's why I didn't know that Montana was like a

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Speaker 2: I didn't know. I think in West Virginia, I think, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't have Yeah, I mean there are plenty of

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Speaker 3: dinosaur country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're always did in the dirty.

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Speaker 3: S down the dinosaurs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very active place, you guysers.

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Speaker 3: And one fuel. That's no, it's not, it's science.

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Speaker 2: For a quick case study. Let's get to know Signal

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Speaker 2: Peak Energy. Okay, according to coal Age Magazine.

444
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Speaker 3: Oh I love that magazine.

445
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 2: It's a trade publication that covers the coal industry. As

446
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,199
Speaker 2: you well know as a subscriber.

447
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 3: The centerfolds. Are you kidding me?

448
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 2: You've seen those rocks? Did you do that kind of

449
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 2: hurt that way? Did you like the new tote bag

450
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 2: for this year's subscriber?

451
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 3: Totally so?

452
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 2: From coal Age Magazine, we learned that quote Signal Peak

453
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 2: Energy operates the Bowl Mountain's mine near round Up, Montana. Okay,

454
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 2: what else coal Age Magazine, Well, back to their coverage

455
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,120
Speaker 2: last year twenty twenty three, Signal Peak Energy produced seven

456
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,880
Speaker 2: point six million tons and they were ranked the highest

457
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 2: in the US as far as tons per man hour.

458
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Speaker 2: Isn't this exciting?

459
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Speaker 3: Well, all of the names of stuff are so aggressively masculine.

460
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 3: Two of like hog rack and the Signal Peak exactly

461
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 3: target FeAs round up. Everyone's got cancer.

462
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 2: I have to I have no idea what most of

463
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 2: this means.

464
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. It sounds great. So for some context,

465
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 3: now you know what it's like to be me to

466
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 3: go through the day.

467
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,640
Speaker 2: I have no idea what I recognize.

468
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 3: They're reading it. It's allowed and it sounds fabulous.

469
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 2: So for some context, here's Parker Phipps, president and CEO

470
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Speaker 2: of Signal Peak Energy. According to old Parker quote, what

471
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 2: makes these stats remarkable is that we did it while

472
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 2: mining in three different long wall panels. It was a

473
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Speaker 2: busy year for us. Normally we have a long wall

474
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Speaker 2: move every eighteen months. To know what that means, a

475
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 2: strip of coal that's like, you know, a few feet

476
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 2: and it's usually like you know, underground until they cut

477
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 2: down till they find this like like vein and it's like.

478
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Speaker 3: A mother load very kind of so kind of like

479
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 3: when you're eating ice cream and you get to like

480
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 3: the fudge ribbon.

481
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Speaker 2: There you go.

482
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Speaker 3: So and then what is this guy's name?

483
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Speaker 2: Flipper Parker Phipps.

484
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 3: Parker Phipps. I feel like if I ever met him,

485
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 3: was like introduced to him, I would want to just

486
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 3: start pulling my hair and screaming, just like at the

487
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Speaker 3: top of my lungs.

488
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Speaker 2: Yeah, since I know you want to know more about

489
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 2: long walls, I do, and why they had to move

490
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 2: Daddy moved the long walls. This was due to environmental

491
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 2: impact studies that are required to access federally controlled coal,

492
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 2: because they were not anymore they're drilling on federally controlled lands.

493
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 2: This is all important because the reason why this was

494
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 2: disappointing for Signal Peak Energy back to coal Age magazine

495
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 2: and I quote the restriction on mining federal coal within

496
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Speaker 2: their mind plan was a setback for a company that

497
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 2: was turning the page on legacy management issues several years ago.

498
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 2: Management at the mine was clearly heading in the wrong direction. Now,

499
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Speaker 2: this Elizabeth is what we call a sly reference to

500
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Speaker 2: Larry Wayne Price Junior. Oh yes, and how he nearly

501
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 2: ruined the repute and business prospects of Signal Peak Energy

502
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 2: with his legal shenanigans. Now, to be fair to Signal

503
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 2: Peak Energy, it seems to be the sort of business

504
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 2: that attracts some nefarious characters. And I'm talking coal mining

505
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 2: and the extractive industries. For instance, he was doing business

506
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 2: with a man who the Treasury Department claims is a

507
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 2: member of Vladimir Putin's inner circle. This requires a little

508
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 2: context though, So back to old Parker Phipps, CEO.

509
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 3: Signal Peak Energy, He's just spilling it.

510
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 2: In a New York Times story, he was quick to

511
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: point out to the quote tremendous amount of litigation that

512
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 2: was filed against the energy company, which was tricky to

513
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 2: pursue in court since the company was owned by two

514
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 2: shell companies, not one, but two that acted as an

515
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 2: umbrella for many out of state and by out of state,

516
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 2: I mean foreign co owners. So you see Elizabeth. Back

517
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight, there was this Ohio based billionaire,

518
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 2: Wayne Boych, owner of Boyitch Companies. He partnered with First

519
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 2: Energy Corporation to buy a coal mine in the Bowl

520
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 2: Mountains in Montana, which we're discussing. They named their joint

521
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 2: venture your Signal Peak Energy. Now, two years into operation.

522
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 2: They brought on another co owner, the Gunver Group. I

523
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 2: always want to say governor gun For gun Vo r

524
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Speaker 2: gun For Group. That company is a foreign oil commodities

525
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 2: trading firm that's registered in Cyprus, so you know they're.

526
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 3: Now.

527
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Speaker 2: The Gunver Group was co owned by a man named

528
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Speaker 2: Jenndy Timchenko. He's interesting because he's a Russian Ola gark

529
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 2: a billionaire who's a close confident of Vladimir Putin. He

530
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 2: was also instrumental partner for Signal Peak Energy.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that is Aaron. I'm putting the red thread

532
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 3: on the wall right now. It's all ties too.

533
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: So this was all going great right up until the

534
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 2: US State Department placed sanctions on Putin linked Russian Ola

535
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 2: garcs like tim Chenko. Yeah, and thus he had to

536
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 2: distance himself from the Gunver Group, and the US Treasury

537
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 2: Department reported the quote Putin has investments in Gunver and

538
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 2: may have access to gun For funds. So this may

539
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 2: literally be money that Putin was pulling out of Montana.

540
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: I'm personally benefiting from. That's not me saying, that's US

541
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 2: Treasury Department right. Anyway, Soon enough, the Gunver Group claimed

542
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 2: that tim Chenko absolutely zero involvement with gunviter in any way.

543
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 2: That's their direct quote now at that. And they also

544
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 2: had there was reported connections between Gunver Group, Timchenko and Putin,

545
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: and they claimed that those are old and entirely baseless.

546
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: So deal with that what you will.

547
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, have you seen this window lease step forward?

548
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: Do you know what defenis street means? No, you're about

549
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 2: to learn. So, meanwhile, there's the American owners, the First Energy,

550
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 2: in the Boych group. They were also considered hinky as hell.

551
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty one, First Energy admitted that the company

552
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 2: had been paying millions in bribes to state legislators as

553
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: well as regulators in order to get approval for a

554
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: one billion dollar bailout intended for nuclear and coal fired

555
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 2: power plants that were aging and needed upgrades. So they're like, hey,

556
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 2: we've been bribing the regulators and the legislators to get

557
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 2: ourselves this. Now, with a company admitted to this culture

558
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: of corruption, the the prior Department of Justice, not the

559
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 2: one that's currently operating under that same name, fine First

560
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: Energy two hundred and thirty million dollars for their bribery case. Yeah,

561
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: that was the fine. Two hundred and thirty million dollars.

562
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 2: That's kind of high.

563
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 2: Now, I bring all this up to provide context for

565
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 2: why are crimer of the day thought he could maybe

566
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 2: wet his beacon, embezzle some millions upon millions in order

567
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: to buy himself a dreamcastle.

568
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're all doing it right, I mean, so let's

569
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Speaker 3: get back.

570
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 2: To Larry Wayne Price Junior. Yes, Now, he'd gotten his

571
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 2: start in the extractive industries when he worked in the

572
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: coal fields of southwest Virginia. Not West Virginia, but Southwest.

573
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 3: Virginia region, southern western Yeah.

574
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 2: Now, then in two thousand and nine, when Signal Peak

575
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 2: Energy was formed, he took a job with the company

576
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: and he moved out to Montana. He's like, oh, that's

577
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 2: where the action is, right, So he distinguishes himself as

578
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 2: his real go getter. He eventually ascends to the executive

579
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 2: suite and he's like, hey, I got my own key

580
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 2: to the washroom.

581
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

582
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 2: So he's promoted to be a vice president of surface operations.

583
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 2: So they don't trust him, like where the money is

584
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: happening underground He's like moving trucks around and put that.

585
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 5: Yeah.

586
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: So his career, it gets him close in with the

587
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: Then CEO of Signal Peak Energy, a man named Bradley Hanson.

588
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 2: Bradley Hansen who this gave him, Larry Wayne Price Junior

589
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: lucrative opportunities to cut side deals with Signal Peak Energy

590
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: because he's in good with the CEO.

591
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 3: He's like, oh yeah, So Larry Wayne like goes like

592
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 3: for business traveling like flies spirit and like sits down.

593
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 2: Like tosses his his cole age magazine, his.

594
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 3: Cole fancy magazine down and is like, yeah, you know,

595
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 3: like trying to like flex.

596
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 2: Out on everybody. Everyone knows he's got one.

597
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 3: Of those giant bluetooth things there.

598
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: But one second, guys, I'm telling you it's gonna be great.

599
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: You want to come out to my john Wick gun range.

600
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 2: So Larry Wayne, here's wine. He starts the side business

601
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 2: called three and then the number three three Solutions, and

602
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: that company struck deals with you guessed it, Signal Peak Energy.

603
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 2: He promised to sell the mining company industrial grade chemicals

604
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: that were used in the mining process. So basically the

605
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: CEO is like, you know, we got this company, but

606
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 2: if you started a company and offered us you know

607
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: wherever they're getting better, Yeah, you'd be a vendor for

608
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: the company, we could kick you down right, so price

609
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 2: he does this starts three solutions. Meanwhile, Larry Wayne grew

610
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 2: increasingly integral to Signal Peak Energy as an executive because

611
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 2: he also becomes privy to industry secrets, like how a

612
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: fellow Signal Peak vice president in charge of underground operations

613
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: the VP. So he's this is the guys like, actually,

614
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 2: you know hitting the call with him? You pick this

615
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: is a guy named Dale Lee Musgrave. I was saying

616
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: all their full names, like they're like presidential assassins. Yeah, exactly,

617
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: so Dale Lee musk Grave.

618
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 3: Because you don't want like Dale John Muskgrave to hear

619
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 3: this and be like, that's not me true dude, I'm

620
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 3: just innocently listening while I go to rob a bank,

621
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 3: so they'll leave.

622
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 2: Musgrave. He was forcing employees to falsify reports about MIND

623
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: safety because he was in charge of the underground operations,

624
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 2: right were all the danger was and the raves. So

625
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: he relied on a time tested mix of threats and

626
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: bribes to ensure the Mind's operations had quote the veneer

627
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: of an outstanding safety.

628
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 3: Recordar and it takes money to make money.

629
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 2: Now that's not me saying that that's the Department of Justice.

630
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 3: The veneer.

631
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 2: Yes.

632
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 3: Nice.

633
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 2: So back in twenty eighteen, while Larry Wayne Price Junior

634
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 2: was still with the company, the DOJ discovered that Musgrave

635
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 2: had gone so far as to bribe an employee not

636
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 2: to report that the employee's finger had been crushed while

637
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 2: he was loading mining materials.

638
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 3: I shouldn't laugh at that, but I'm laughing.

639
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you won't laugh now because the finger had

640
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: to be amputated. To keep things hush hush, Musgrave gave

641
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: the man two thousand dollars.

642
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 3: In cash, only two thousand dollars price for a time

643
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 3: they were talking about a million dollars prebes million dollar.

644
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 3: Which finger was let me.

645
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: Break you off. I don't know which finger. It was

646
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 2: one of the ten who was his middle finger.

647
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 3: And you can't flip peak off anymore.

648
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: You can no longer cuss with his fingers.

649
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 3: Remember his kids say flick people.

650
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know why, but it just bothered me.

651
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 3: If you lose your index finger, that's big, that's big,

652
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 3: bet thumb.

653
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 2: That's the real bad one to lose, because.

654
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,239
Speaker 3: Well, what if he loses his pink and then when

655
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 3: he goes to drink tea get can't let people know

656
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 3: he's come and then he looks like a brute.

657
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: Anyway, So anyway, what this wasn't the only trouble musk

658
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: Grave got into while a VP at Signal Peak Energy.

659
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 3: I'm going to get you a Signal Peak you see.

660
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 2: Well, the federal investigators are doing their due diligence to

661
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: investigate the mine and its hinky operations. They spotted FedEx

662
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: delivery drivers dropping off a suspiciously large number of packages

663
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 2: at Musgrave's house. And I'm talking like, according to the DOJ,

664
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: twenty seven deliveries over a few months. And I know, Elizabeth,

665
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 2: you may be hearing that number thinking that's not a

666
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: lot of packages Amazons drop for me in one month period.

667
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 3: Just because you saw my front stoop was box number of.

668
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 2: Boxes and then it came back a week later.

669
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 3: It's it's stuff for my house, it's for my dogs,

670
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 3: it's dog treats.

671
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say nothing.

672
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 3: It's maybe a paint by Numbers kit that I ordered.

673
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: You know, girls, you're a woman of mystery. The feds

674
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: they thought twenty seven packages over a few months was

675
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 2: a lot. Back off.

676
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 3: Worry about yourself.

677
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: The Feds never see your stoop, you're getting an investigation

678
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: right away. So the twenty seven package from FedEx, they

679
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: seem sussed. So one day the Feds they grabbed one

680
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 2: of the packages, you know, just to see what sort

681
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 2: of stuff musk Grave was having delivered to his house.

682
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: Turns out, in the package they nabbed, the federal investigators

683
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 2: found baggies of cocaine. Baggy cocaine.

684
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 3: No, I don't have that.

685
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it turns out the executive was engaging in some

686
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: light cocaine trafficking.

687
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 3: When having it like ups, drop it off in the door.

688
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 2: If you live out in the middle of nowhere, the

689
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: rural places, you can't like pop into the city. They're like,

690
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: just send it to my house, just me the coke exactly.

691
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 3: And I'm like, also, to defend myself a little bit further,

692
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 3: I need a lot of that cardboard for my garden.

693
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 3: This is true, So okay, back off, buddy, I don't know.

694
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: I take it all back.

695
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 3: Turned to eat a lot of chicken jerkey human grade,

696
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 3: as it says, And I also have a bag of

697
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 3: chicken hearts and anyway, you know.

698
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: What, You're only doing good.

699
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 3: But there's no cocaine in any of your packages.

700
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: There's that. Now I bring all this up as evidence that.

701
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 3: For minute, we delivered cocaine.

702
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 2: I don't think so, maybe dug cocaine just like numbing teeth.

703
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: That's like, yeah, so I bring all this up, Elizabeth,

704
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: there's evidence that many folks involved with signal peak energy

705
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: were on the hanky side, do you think? And uh,

706
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 2: you know, but appearances can be deceiving, right, and then

707
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: they were good at keeping their crimes swept under the

708
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 2: rug right up until found the baggies of cocaine. So

709
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: you know, obviously this also included big ticket items that

710
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 2: they were covering up, you know, like overseas the money laundering.

711
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 2: There was medium sized crimes that they were covering up,

712
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 2: like a little light cocaine trafficking, and then there are

713
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 2: smaller crimes like mining safety infractions and lost fingers.

714
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I still two thousand dollars for a finger

715
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 3: I would have pulled aside.

716
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: And then like, look, how much would you want for

717
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 2: a finger? A finger, not your thumb?

718
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 3: Like if if I lost my let's say I lost

719
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 3: my index index index. Yeah, doing this show, I go

720
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 3: to Admiral iHeart.

721
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: Yes, what would you demand?

722
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 3: And I would hold a knife to his throat.

723
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: With your good hand, I could still do it.

724
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 3: And then I think I would want, like, at a

725
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 3: minimum a million dollars.

726
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 2: Wow, you really value your digits.

727
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 3: I have a magic fingers. You know what if I

728
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 3: want a No, not in the slightest my hands are

729
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 3: pretty beat up. But what if I learned to play

730
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 3: the piano. What is Malcolm Gladwell's like at ten thousand

731
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 3: hours in your genius myth No? Anyway, so I could

732
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 3: And then what if I could have gone on to

733
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 3: like write the greatest piece of piano work and perform

734
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 3: it and then bring peace to the planet because everyone

735
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 3: hears it and they're like, that's the most beautiful thing.

736
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 3: It's missing some of the notes because Homegirl doesn't have

737
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 3: one of her fingers fingers, but it was his middle finger.

738
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm not telling you, I'm not there all one finger.

739
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 3: It was like the only part of it. Anyway, Listen

740
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 3: to me like I would be. I would be yelling

741
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 3: at Admiral iHeart and like putting my thumb to gouge

742
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 3: out his eyeball, run my check and be like I

743
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 3: want a million dollars from my miss or you do what?

744
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 3: Poke your eyes? Out to you and then stick this

745
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 3: knife where the sun don't shine energy hypifically, Admiral. I

746
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 3: say this with with love and respect, and you know,

747
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 3: I'm just joshing.

748
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 2: But God, I don't know about you. But whenever I

749
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 2: hear about like oil and gas or coal or you

750
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 2: seem really any mining, I tend to think of corruption

751
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 2: and crime. It's kind of historically associated with chemical Yeah,

752
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: I mean, like it's just like we're talking about like

753
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 2: President Grant's problems with like or like the Rockefeller family.

754
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: It's make you name one. You're like, oh, that's something, yeah, exactly.

755
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 2: But setting aside the historical examples, all right, I can

756
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 2: say that the extractive industries are not a business where

757
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 2: I expect to find the best folks with good morals.

758
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 2: I'll believe that, right, No, no, And you know, once

759
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 2: again because of the industry's long history of flagrant criminality.

760
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 2: But keeping true of tradition at signal peak, energy crime

761
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: was the standard of the day. That is, if an

762
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,439
Speaker 2: executive was creative enough and willing enough to see it through.

763
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: And that was the lesson that this ambitious striver and

764
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 2: corporate climber Larry Wayne Price Junior took to heart, this

765
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: time as an executive at Signal Pig Energy. Wayne. He

766
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: was like, if they can do it, why can't they

767
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 2: Just a boy from Virginia do with the dreams. I

768
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 2: also want to get rich, and I'm willing to do

769
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: crime to get there.

770
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 3: Dance spelt in the tube of chapstick.

771
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: Price he starts at the company in two thousand and nine,

772
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 2: as we covered, by twenty fourteen, he was already building

773
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: his dream castle.

774
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 3: Oh he built that, Yes, built it?

775
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 2: No wonder right, Yes, Now we don't know exactly getting Yeah,

776
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: he was covering that. I don't know. I gotta stick

777
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: to the facts. I do know in this case, we

778
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: can speculate.

779
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 3: I just like to make We don't know.

780
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 2: Exactly what all crimes he was involved when before, say

781
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, But because of the Department of Justice, I

782
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 2: can tell you after twenty sixteen, the crimes that he

783
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: wasn't definitely size. Yeah. Between October twenty sixteen and April

784
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: of twenty eighteen, we do know that Price managed to

785
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: embezzle twenty million dollars from three coal related companies.

786
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 3: Twenty million dollars and the house.

787
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: Costs a lot, so I think it got more than that,

788
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 2: but they could just nail him on the twenty million.

789
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 3: That's every finger for two people exact.

790
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 2: So one of the companies had this fun wink wink

791
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: name of three Blind Mice LLC.

792
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 3: Oh, get out of it.

793
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was another company called ninety m LLC. And

794
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: of course there was Signal Peak Energy. So the story

795
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: goes based on his role as a KEYVP in charge

796
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,439
Speaker 2: of surface operations and owner of Three Solutions. Don't forget that. Yeah,

797
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: his company was able to supply industrial chemicals to his employer,

798
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 2: so he could embezzle from that end, which means he

799
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 2: was robbing Signal Peak Energy and Trice Paul. He developed

800
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: his reputation around billings that he was a coal mining expert,

801
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 2: an insider's insider because.

802
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 3: He's close with the CEO and a coal miner's daughter.

803
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: True enough, right, No, he leveraged his reputation to convince

804
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 2: three Blind Mice to lend him seven point five million dollars. Now,

805
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: if you asked him, Price would say that his company,

806
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 2: Three Solutions had won a contract with a Pennsylvania coal

807
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: company to install coal mining equipment, and in order to

808
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: finish that project, he just needed seven point five million dollars,

809
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 2: which three Blind Mice was only too happy to loan him. Sure,

810
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 2: and they were going to be paid back with interest

811
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 2: in you know, extra amounts, so he would have to

812
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: pay them back eleven million dollars.

813
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 3: Eleven million.

814
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Amus planned to make money on this deal, and

815
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 2: he's like, I'll cut you in sure. Now. If you

816
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 2: ask three Blind Mice what happened, they would say Price

817
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 2: stole the money outright. Now, we know that three Blind

818
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 2: Mice signed an unsecured promissory note and wired seven point

819
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 2: five million dollars to Three Solutions.

820
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 3: Okay, Larry Wayne's company, that's an idiot moved yes, with

821
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 3: a payback date.

822
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 2: Of January thirty first, twenty eighteen. And when that date

823
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: came and went, I did not and had not paid

824
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 2: the promise eleven million dollars. When the FEDS looked into this,

825
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 2: they found that there was no deal with the Pennsylvania

826
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: Coal Operation for Three Solutions to install coal mining operations.

827
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: What had happened was Price spent the seven point five

828
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 2: million dollars probably on a bowling lane, maybe a three.

829
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 3: Hole goal course exactly.

830
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 2: Now, as for ninety m LLC, the investors in that

831
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: company appointed Price is a representative of ninety M. They're like, yeah,

832
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: tell them you work with us, you work for us,

833
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 2: So that he could go out and help them purchase

834
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,439
Speaker 2: a coal mine in Virginia where Larry Wayne is from,

835
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 2: and help them develop into a cash making operation. They're like, yeah,

836
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: get us rich on what you know. You're an insided

837
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 2: inside man.

838
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 3: You're connected.

839
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 2: So as well, they also had some other business ventures

840
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: that they had cooking. So all in all, Price helped

841
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 2: them with five business deals worth roughly thirteen point five

842
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: million dollars for Price. Now how they exist? Yeah, Now

843
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: these were good kind of because when investigators looked into it,

844
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 2: they found that ten point four to seventy five million

845
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 2: of that thirteen point five was quote fraudulently obtained. Oh

846
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 2: so it wasn't all hanky Elizabeth whole linked ten point

847
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: four million of it. Oops. And then there was his

848
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,479
Speaker 2: day to day employer, Signal Peak Energy, where Price worked

849
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 2: as a VP of Service Operations. Now he stole from

850
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: his main job too, because that house ain't going to

851
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 2: build itself. He did this by initiating fraudulent deals to

852
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: purchase coal mining equipment from a vendor that he knew

853
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 2: could not provide said coal mining equipment. So the firm

854
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 2: he selected for the deal, they kicked him back two

855
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 2: point four million dollars to Prices company three Solutions. Real

856
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: simple paper trail, but there it was. Yeah, all of

857
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 2: his shady dealings came to a head in April twenty eighteen.

858
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 2: When the investors from ninety MLLC checked the deals. They

859
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: began to question the transactions with Price in his company

860
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 2: three Solutions. So what do they do. They call a

861
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 2: Price and they're like, hey, man, where's money. You're like

862
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 2: months behind on your remember January thirty first second, so

863
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: they're like, it's April man. So by this point, Price

864
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 2: was no longer in Montana. He was living in Virginia.

865
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 2: He'd return to his home state, but it wasn't impossible

866
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 2: to find where he was living. The folks from ninety

867
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: M did. They were able to find him, and they

868
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: sent representatives to get their money back from Price. Right,

869
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 2: if this was street crime, the amount of money he

870
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 2: would have been talking we're talking about is enough to

871
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: get a man killed. Oh yeah, when we're sending our representatives.

872
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: The fact they even told him meant that they kind

873
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 2: of expected to get someone as opposed to just like, yeah, yeah,

874
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 2: So I don't know how it goes in the coal industry.

875
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,439
Speaker 2: I won't speculate, but I imagine they also start getting

876
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 2: murderous notions in their minds when they get robbed for

877
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: millions of dollars. However, as I said, a dead man

878
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 2: can't pay you back. So these coal investors, they still

879
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 2: had plans to get their money back before they did

880
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 2: need grievous harm to Larry Wayne. Now, the Larry Wayne

881
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: Price junior may have had different read of things because

882
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 2: he has a woman he knew in Virginia. If he

883
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 2: could hide out at her place, can she agreed? Now,

884
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 2: that's when Price came up with this big, beautiful plan

885
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 2: to skate out on the investors that he had robbed

886
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: and to keep all the money he'd embezzled from the

887
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: various coal mining operations back in Montana.

888
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 3: Was he just hoping they were crooked enough to not

889
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 3: like go to the Feds.

890
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 2: I don't think he thought this through, but you'll figure

891
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: that out.

892
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 3: Real question, Okay, So I mean.

893
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: Like my question was, you know, was cocaine involved in

894
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 2: this decision making? Because it But anyway, his next plan, Elizabeth,

895
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 2: I tell you is a certified hum danger. So let's

896
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 2: take a little break, listen to some ads, and after

897
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 2: these messages from Signal Peak Energy, we will get into

898
00:43:42,960 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 2: Larry Wayne Price Junior's plan to get free. Nice we're back, Elizabeth,

899
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 2: Yes we are. So we've got coal mining insider Larry

900
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 2: Wayne Junior who tried to pull off some big boy

901
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: in bezzling. But he was sloppy about it. Investors or marks,

902
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 2: how if you want to looked at it, they get robbed.

903
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: They started asking questions. Not liking the answers that they

904
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 2: weren't getting, they sent representatives out to either confront Price

905
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 2: in Virginia or get their money back wherever, or find

906
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 2: out where he'd fled to in order to get back

907
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 2: their stolen millions. Sure, but Larry Wayne had a plan.

908
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: What was his plan? Great question for it. I haven't

909
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 2: mentioned her yet, but Price was married. Okay, this matters

910
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 2: because he was also making moves to avoid his spurned

911
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 2: investors with another That's what I wondered when you.

912
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 3: Say a woman in Virginia building this thirty thousand square

913
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 3: foot home, and I don't think it's a bachelor pass. No, No,

914
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 3: he is a group of kids too.

915
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't look too far into that. He did

916
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 2: have some but I think I mentioned up top now

917
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: someone whom he rented a house from in Virginia. While

918
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 2: he was like, on the lamb, if you will, that's

919
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,439
Speaker 2: who he decided. The woman, He's like, oh, I'm working

920
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 2: with her. I remember. It's like, hey, can I hide now. Meanwhile,

921
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 2: he called his wife and was like, yeah, I really

922
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 2: need you to help me. I'm in trouble. I'm in

923
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 2: a bad way, and he asked her to help him

924
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 2: out and she was like okay, baby or whatever she said.

925
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: So on April fourteenth, twenty eighteen, Price's wife called the Bluefield,

926
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: Virginia Police Department at one fifty eight in the morning

927
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 2: and she reported her husband missing. The local PD sprang

928
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 2: into action along with the Tazewell County Sheriff's Office and thesewell.

929
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: It so the two law enforcement agencies. They initiate a

930
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 2: missing person's investigation as one does, and this soon expands

931
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 2: to include the Virginia State Police because we're like, we

932
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 2: got time, so le me bringing in a health after

933
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: search and rescue teams. They also bring in canine search

934
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: units like you know, like they make this a real priority.

935
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: We're gonna find Larry Wayne.

936
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 3: I wish they would have done it like they would

937
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 3: treat most people like, well, did he have a history

938
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 3: running away?

939
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 2: Yeah? Exactly.

940
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 3: Well let's just see if he shows up.

941
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Have you called all the hospitals so they bring

942
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: in the bloodhounds, Elizabeth, And it shouldn't have been too

943
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 2: hard to find this missing man since Bluefield, Virginia is located. Uh,

944
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 2: it's like right there in the Blue Ridge Mountains. Yeah,

945
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 2: it's a town of less than ten thousand people. Okay,

946
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 2: but somehow all these you know, state police, local sheriffs,

947
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 2: and local police, they couldn't find Larry Wayne.

948
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 3: He got gone.

949
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'd done run off?

950
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 3: Are you n n oft through.

951
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 2: Using modern methods of pinging cell phone towers and as

952
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 2: opposed to just relying on the bloodhounds like yelping into

953
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: the forest? Then the multi industry, Yeah exactly, these are fresh.

954
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 3: You could tell, and then licking in and then hold

955
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 3: their finger to the air. That's how you find people, Zarren.

956
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 2: You look for snap branches and stuff. Yes, so the

957
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: multi age.

958
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 3: Yes, you've obviously been doing this a long time, as

959
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 3: have I. Did he leave hair on the branches as

960
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 3: he walked by. Is he a yetti, Yes, give me

961
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 3: the bloodhound.

962
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,439
Speaker 2: So this multi agency task force they find Prices white

963
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 2: Mercedes with Montana plates. It had been abandoned in a

964
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:25,439
Speaker 2: parking lot.

965
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 3: Oh, telling Pablo SENTI is white.

966
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, naturally this was concerning for the law enforcement task

967
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: with finding this missing coal mining executive. But then they

968
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 2: received some good news. A driver noticed a man standing

969
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 2: on the side of the road in the dark of night,

970
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 2: and he was near this town of Gratton or Grato, Virginia.

971
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: I think it's Gratton.

972
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think I've heard of that there.

973
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, law enforcement they rush out to the reported sighting

974
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 2: and they find Larry Wayne Price Junior. He's alone and

975
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 2: he looks like he's been through it. In his pockets

976
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: though he has three thousand, seven and forty four dollars,

977
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 2: so he hadn't been like robbed or mugged or something.

978
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 2: But you know, they take Price to the local hospital

979
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 2: because he looks a little roughed up, and that's where

980
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 2: officers from the Bluefield PD interview him. They were not

981
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 2: alone because the FBI also wanted to interview you. Oh boy, yes,

982
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 2: and then the irs. But we'll get to that first first,

983
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 2: the FBI. But rather than me just tell you about

984
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 2: this FBI investigation, Elizabeth, I'd like you to close your

985
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 2: eyes as I'd like you to picture it. Elizabeth. It's

986
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: a quiet day in an FBI interrogation room, and at

987
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 2: the moment you are busy because you are Larry Wayne

988
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 2: Price Junior's concept of shame. Now, as the overhead fluorescent

989
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 2: lights buzz with the insistent home, you flit about the room,

990
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 2: hoping to find a place to land and do what

991
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 2: you do, which is inspire a person to feel shame. However,

992
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,720
Speaker 2: in this instant, as in many moments in the past,

993
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 2: you cannot find and a welcome home in the consciousness

994
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 2: of the man being interrogated by the FBI. The purp

995
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 2: seated across from the field agents is unwilling to allow

996
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 2: you to find purchase, and so you continue to beat

997
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 2: your tiny wings as you flit about, guided by the

998
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 2: hope that perhaps at some point in his interrogation, Larry

999
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: Wayne Price Junior will allow you to whisper your message

1000
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 2: such that he might listen to your urgings and experience

1001
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 2: what any other human being would recognize as shame. You

1002
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 2: hear Price as he answers the field agent's questions. You

1003
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 2: hope that he'd know better than to lie to the FBI,

1004
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 2: but clearly he does not. Despite the circular nature of

1005
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,959
Speaker 2: the FBI's questions making him repeat himself over and over again,

1006
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 2: Price sticks to his ludicrous story. He repeats that he

1007
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 2: was abducted by two members of an outlaw biker gang.

1008
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 2: He describes how they held a rag to his face

1009
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 2: and as he inhaled, he began to feel kind of funny.

1010
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 2: You cast an eye towards the FBI agents. They don't

1011
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 2: seem to be this story. You flip closer to see

1012
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: if perhaps you can now convince him to experience a

1013
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,760
Speaker 2: moment of shame and finally come clean. But he waves

1014
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 2: you away and you flit about frustrated. A field agent

1015
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 2: takes a sip of coffee that's growing colder by the minute.

1016
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 2: They've been at it a while. The FBI guy asks

1017
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,919
Speaker 2: Price to go back to the moment when he first

1018
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 2: saw the outlaw bikers. Price sighs, annoyed, and then he

1019
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 2: launches into his cover story. He says that he was

1020
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 2: looking to sew a motorcycle. He was contacted by a

1021
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 2: man who was previously unknown to him. The prospective buyer

1022
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: asked to meet Price so that he could see the

1023
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 2: bike and maybe take it for a test drive. Price

1024
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 2: says that he agreed to the meet up. He says

1025
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 2: they planned to meet at a local park and then

1026
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 2: the buyer could take the motorcycle for a ride. When

1027
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 2: he arrived at the park, he rode up on the motorcycle.

1028
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 2: Then he saw the prospective buyer pull into the parking lot.

1029
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 2: The buyer arrived in a windowless cargo van, and he

1030
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 2: wasn't alone. Another man was with him. Both men were

1031
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,720
Speaker 2: white and looked like outlaw bikers. You roll your eyes

1032
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 2: at all the details Price adds to his story. Even

1033
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 2: if he won't or cannot, you experience shame for him,

1034
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 2: a sort of secondhand embarrassment. Price goes on with his story.

1035
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 2: He tells the FBI investigators that the passenger in the

1036
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 2: windowless cargo van had a gun and he aimed it

1037
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 2: at Price. In response, he froze in place that allowed

1038
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 2: the two men to hop out of the van and

1039
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 2: approach it where he was seated on the hog aka

1040
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 2: his motorcycle for sale. You draw closer again, hoping that

1041
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 2: now perhaps you can whisper something in his ear and

1042
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 2: inspire him to feel the sweet release of shame that

1043
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 2: might free him from his obvious lives. But again he

1044
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: waves his hand as if to wave away a mosquito.

1045
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 2: You retreat. Price goes on with his story. He says

1046
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 2: that the second man, the one with the gun, held

1047
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 2: a rag to his face. It was clearly soaked with

1048
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 2: some sort of chemical one that made him feel disoriented

1049
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 2: and drowsy, and then he sort of blacked him. When

1050
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 2: he comes to, he's in some unknown location. It's a

1051
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 2: darkened room and he was seated on the floor. Apparently

1052
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 2: the two outlaw bikers didn't want him conscious yet, so

1053
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 2: they put the rag to his face again, and again

1054
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 2: he felt disoriented and dizzy, and then he blacked out again.

1055
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 2: When he awoke a second time, he was in a

1056
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 2: familiar place. He was in the bike shop he owned

1057
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 2: in West Virginia. He proudly says the name of his

1058
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 2: bike shop, hog Pit Cycles, as if that'll impress the

1059
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 2: FBI agents. It does not. When you check their faces,

1060
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 2: it does not seem to impress them in the least. Instead,

1061
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 2: they asked Price what happened next? Price says he wasn't sure,

1062
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 2: but apparently the two outlaw bikers had taken his keys

1063
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 2: to the shop, because they opened up the place and

1064
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 2: they dragged him inside. Once inside, they opened the store safe.

1065
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 2: You roll your eyes so hard that you risk bruising

1066
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 2: them or perhaps having them fall out of your fairy head.

1067
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 2: You wonder to yourself if this man is capable of

1068
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 2: feeling shame at all? You think that as you hear

1069
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 2: Price describe for the FBI agent with great detail, how

1070
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,439
Speaker 2: the two outlaw bikers searched his pockets and they took

1071
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 2: his pocket knife. They also stole his nine millimeter sig firearm.

1072
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 2: The FBI agents play along, and you hear one say okay,

1073
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 2: what happened. Next, Price acts like the FBI agents might

1074
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 2: finally be believing him, So he goes on and describes

1075
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,760
Speaker 2: how the two outlaw bikers threatened him. Then they dragged

1076
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 2: him out of his bike shop and threw him back

1077
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 2: into the widowless cargo van. Then the two outlaw bikers

1078
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 2: drove him out into the country, back across the border

1079
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 2: between West Virginia and Virginia. When they were in the

1080
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 2: middle of nowhere, they pulled over and they made him

1081
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 2: get out you've given up on introducing any sense of

1082
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,760
Speaker 2: shame to Price. Clearly he has no ability to experience

1083
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 2: such emotions. You hear the FBI agents ask him what

1084
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 2: the outlaw bikers did next. Price is quick to answer.

1085
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 2: He says, they left him there on the side of

1086
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 2: the road alone, and they drove off. The FBI agents nod,

1087
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 2: and then they say, okay, let's start again. At the beginning,

1088
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 2: you decide you can't listen to any lies anymore. You

1089
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,720
Speaker 2: flipped right out of the room, hoping to find someone

1090
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 2: else who might actually benefit from you and the gift

1091
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 2: of experiencing a moment of shame.

1092
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 3: I'm so beautiful.

1093
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 2: So there you know, Elizabeth, that was the ordeal as

1094
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 2: Price reported it. Now, remember the investors he robbed did

1095
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 2: send representatives to confront Price and to get back the

1096
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 2: money they ripped off? Did they send two outlaw bikers

1097
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 2: to get their money back?

1098
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 3: Did they send the cast of Sons of van?

1099
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 2: Exactly?

1100
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 3: Like rolling up in a van Like he's just basically

1101
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:33,240
Speaker 3: detailing an episode totally.

1102
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 2: It's like the last thing he watched. So, Elizabeth, this

1103
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 2: could have been true? Who knows? I mean, I highly

1104
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 2: doubt it.

1105
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 3: You're very, very generous man, mostly.

1106
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 2: Because over time Price's story tended to change that intend

1107
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 2: it did, it just flat out change like a child

1108
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 2: who's lying. He kept adding more and more wild new

1109
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 2: details and colorful embellishments.

1110
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1111
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 2: At first he told the detectives from Bluefield that he'd

1112
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 2: been kidnapped by the two unknown assailants and they drugged

1113
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 2: him and taken him. It was motorcycle shop and presumably

1114
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 2: his abduction may have been related, to quote a debtiode.

1115
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 2: Later he added the details with the FBI about the

1116
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 2: two men were outlaw bikers, but not just any old

1117
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 2: outlaw bikers. Oh, soon enough, they were members of the Pagans,

1118
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 2: the outlaw biker gang that's in a turf war with

1119
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 2: the Hell's Angel Yeah.

1120
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 3: And then like all of those guys are under constant

1121
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 3: surveillance like this, So it was.

1122
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,439
Speaker 2: A sort of detail that someone who likes to read

1123
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 2: about outlaw biker news stories like me, Yeah, was like

1124
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 2: what at this point? By also, by including the Pagans,

1125
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 2: as you point out, they would have been under surveillance

1126
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 2: most likely, but he thought it might help explain why

1127
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 2: he was taken to his motorcycle shop after he had

1128
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 2: the rag held to his face and all that he

1129
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 2: was drug with whatever they applied to the rag. Yeah,

1130
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 2: but there was one problem with his new wrinkle in

1131
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 2: his story. While his storefront Hog Pit Cycles did not

1132
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 2: have security cameras, it was not the only business in

1133
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 2: that block, and so the other this is did not

1134
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 2: show members of the Pagans forcing him to do anything

1135
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 2: because obviously they couldn't. He couldn't have the footage of

1136
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 2: him unlocking a safe and giving them whatever was inside

1137
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 2: because he doesn't have surveillance cameras inside his business going

1138
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 2: but showing up to the business. Yeah, right, So the

1139
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 2: other businesses did have security cameras, and the footage they

1140
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 2: recorded did not corroborate his story. Oops. Oops oops. Now

1141
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 2: guess old Larry Wayne Price Junior didn't think this far

1142
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 2: into his story. Yeah, so when he was confronted with

1143
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 2: the security footage from other businesses, Price changed his story again.

1144
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, did I say Pagan?

1145
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 4: Yes?

1146
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 3: No, I meant that I am a Pagan, that's my religion.

1147
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 3: He did, hear me correctly.

1148
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 2: He claimed that he really wanted to help the FBI

1149
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 2: with their investigation. He wanted to help find the real

1150
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 2: criminals who'd.

1151
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 3: Done this killers.

1152
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 2: So to do that, he provided a motive for the

1153
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 2: outlaw bikers. So, according to Price, he had connections with

1154
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 2: a railroad line. Wait, and the outlaw of bikers, the

1155
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 2: alleged Pagans. They wanted to use his railroad connections so

1156
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 2: they could transport meth by rail.

1157
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 3: Well, that's you know, that's the next frontier ect people

1158
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 3: who have highly portable means of transportation.

1159
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 2: Can we put this on it?

1160
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 3: No, I'd like to put it on a fixed track

1161
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 3: that is in a highly regulated industry.

1162
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 2: I'm moving a lot of meth. I needed something like

1163
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 2: a box car.

1164
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 3: I mean, are you kidding me?

1165
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 2: So they demanded, according to him, that he give them

1166
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 2: schedules for the coal trains so that they could use

1167
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 2: those to traffic their meth. Like, can we just put

1168
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 2: it underneath the coal? No, one looks past the top

1169
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 2: of the coal, right, he wants.

1170
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 3: Okay, I see what they're saying.

1171
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 2: Wow, you see now it all makes sense, totally legit. Yeah, Sam,

1172
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 2: very overly complicated plan for drug smugglers or whatever. Maybe

1173
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 2: something the FBI would bite on. He was so pleased

1174
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 2: with this new story he repeated it to the I R. S.

1175
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 3: Well, you know there's something like in the back of

1176
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 3: his mind, he's like, how can I cut down on

1177
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 3: the CPS bill? But it got you know what, what

1178
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 3: if I had people send me coke on the trains underneath.

1179
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 2: The because we mind coal, of course we'd have.

1180
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, but the coal wouldn't be coming to you.

1181
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, all right, the equipment put it in the excavator.

1182
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 2: And Elizabeth, what do we always say about lying to

1183
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 2: the FBI?

1184
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 3: Do not do it, don't do it. Don't lie to it, buddy, don't.

1185
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 2: All by itself in there too. So it turns out

1186
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 2: there were no outlaw biker gangs, no pagans who are

1187
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 2: involved in the making of this lie. Mean while we

1188
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 2: know this because, according to news outlet k r t V,

1189
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 2: FBI investigators did find someone to help corroborate his story,

1190
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 2: a local Virginia woman who worked at a restaurant, and

1191
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 2: she told him that she and Larry Wayne Price Junior

1192
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 2: had been intimate and they were all like all booed up,

1193
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 2: loved it. Yeah, And so while they would be like

1194
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 2: kissing and canoodle and sometimes talk would turn to how

1195
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 2: Larry Wayne could disappear And I don't mean like I

1196
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 2: mean disappear like fake is death and run off with

1197
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 2: her and all the money he'd stolen from the coal industry.

1198
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 3: Like I just I feel like if someone says like

1199
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 3: I think I can fake my death and run off.

1200
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 2: With you, Yeah, with millions of dollars I stole.

1201
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you right now, is as enticing as

1202
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 3: that may be anyone within earshot.

1203
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 2: Before he started picking out your shoes, swear to god.

1204
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 3: It's just not it's not gonna happen. It's not gonna work,

1205
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 3: and then we're gonna be yucking it up about you.

1206
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 3: Always keep that in the back of my mind. Am

1207
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 3: I going to do something that these two goose balls

1208
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 3: are going to make fun of me for?

1209
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 2: You don't want to do?

1210
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 3: Don't do it?

1211
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 2: So, according to this local waitress, around the same time

1212
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 2: the price was reported missing, the waitress popped over to Walmart,

1213
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 2: where she bought some red Bulls some cokes, along with

1214
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 2: some chips, as well as underwear, socks, and towels.

1215
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,919
Speaker 3: That sounds about right. That is good everything, a road

1216
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 3: tripp value.

1217
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 2: Perhaps a prolonged stay, and cheap motels that don't have

1218
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 2: good towels.

1219
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 3: She wants. She wants some fresh honey, pants.

1220
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 2: Once they gathered up their bug out supplies from Walmart.

1221
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 2: She also went purchased and the bag of Fritos, some.

1222
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 3: Clean underwear ven I.

1223
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 2: Don't want to have any Hershey Highway home when I'm

1224
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 2: on the run, only clean boxers from He's gonna be

1225
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 2: CROs So she went out. Also purchased a new burner

1226
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 2: cell phone so you know, they could contact people to

1227
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:27,439
Speaker 2: start their new.

1228
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 3: Life together on the lamb excellent, and probably bought it

1229
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 3: with a credit card orbit cards.

1230
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 2: Well, she definitely bought it with a surveillance.

1231
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 3: Because we know about it. Hello, we're talking about it.

1232
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 2: So then she went and she waited for Price at

1233
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 2: her father's house in Tazewell County, which was unoccupied at

1234
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 2: the time, not the county her father's house that interestingly

1235
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 2: prices emptied for it. Price was spotted on the side

1236
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 2: of the road that night that she went to her

1237
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 2: father's house to wait for him, and he was discovered

1238
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 2: just two miles away from that same home. He might

1239
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 2: have been walking there and just happened to be spotted

1240
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 2: by somebody who was driving the old country road. Wow, Elizabeth,

1241
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 2: he was so close, so close, just two miles between

1242
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 2: him and freedom and a bunch of Fredo's.

1243
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 3: Red Bulls and wearing her underpants.

1244
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 2: And then some pain in the neck in his bystander

1245
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 2: gets in the wings. So once the law had the

1246
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 2: evidence of his plans to cut and run with the

1247
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 2: local waitress, Price was no longer seen as the victim

1248
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 2: of a crime and rather he was the purpy. So

1249
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 2: he was arrested on May tenth, twenty eighteen, charged with

1250
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 2: federal crimes, and he was bonded out at a half

1251
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 2: million dollars on a secured bond. He was given a

1252
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 2: GPS ankle monitor because he was a flight risk. And

1253
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 2: in the meantime, the federal investigators looked into what all

1254
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 2: was going down at Signal Peak Energy that resulted in

1255
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 2: more federal charges exactly because if you included Larry Wayne,

1256
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 2: there were nine executives at Signal Peak Energy who and

1257
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 2: along with their associates, who were charged with federal crimes

1258
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 2: thanks to this guy getting us.

1259
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 3: This is why when you get your your PG and

1260
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 3: EVE your electrical bill, and do you see it like, oh, okay,

1261
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 3: this is what I'm paying for As you're hanging out,

1262
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 3: various criminals in the energy sector.

1263
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,919
Speaker 2: Totally totally their hankiness is why your bill goes up. Yeah,

1264
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 2: that and the AI data center. So this group is

1265
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 2: den of bad, greedy men.

1266
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 3: Right, they unbelievable nine executive How big was this company

1267
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 3: and their associates?

1268
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 2: I just said nine executives from Signal Peak Energy from other.

1269
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 3: Companies to the impression Signal Peak wasn't enormous. It's basically

1270
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 3: and they're like, you know, the executive assistant, your executive

1271
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 3: will put you in that list too.

1272
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 2: So when Larry Wayne gets grilled by the Feds, he

1273
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 2: insists that he was just one bad apple and a

1274
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 2: bunch of rotten apples. So he claimed that his boss,

1275
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 2: the former president and CEO of Signal Peak Energy, old

1276
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,479
Speaker 2: Brad Hanson, Yeah, who I mentioned earlier, was the real

1277
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 2: mastermind behind all of them do it, the embezzlement and

1278
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 2: the million dollar thefts from business partners. He taught me

1279
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 2: didn't want to do it, No, no, he was, and

1280
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 2: he told me you start, you start three solutions, and

1281
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 2: then you can just milk this place for them. Larry

1282
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 2: Wayne claimed that there was a culture of crime at

1283
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 2: Signal Peak Energy and that he was but one cog

1284
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 2: and a truly corrupt machine. Right, Unfortunately for him and

1285
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 2: for Justice, Hanson, the former CEO, died at his Florida

1286
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 2: home in twenty twenty before he could be questioned in

1287
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 2: stand trial to corroborate if any of this was true. Now,

1288
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 2: as for Signal Peak Energy, the company was fined for,

1289
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 2: according to the New York Times quote, failing to report

1290
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 2: worker injuries and for illegally dumping toxic slurry, chemicals and

1291
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 2: unprocessed soil containing heavy metals arsenic and lead into an

1292
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 2: abandoned section of the mine.

1293
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 3: But it stack fingers.

1294
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 2: There was also a bunch of lawsuits filed by locals

1295
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 2: and environmentalist because they had been basically breaking all of

1296
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 2: the regulations. So like the water was bad for the

1297
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 2: local the cows that the ranchers were like dealing with

1298
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 2: their dying.

1299
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but they drained the reservoir three feet of singers.

1300
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 3: That's where they're throwing.

1301
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 2: The fingers and a couple toes. Now. I don't know

1302
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 2: about you, may Elizabeth, but I don't think a million

1303
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 2: dollar fine is going to correct this sort of culture corruption,

1304
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 2: if anything, to kind of be priced in is just

1305
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 2: another cost of doing business.

1306
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 3: Exactly. It takes money to make money, I.

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Speaker 2: Say, this because, as The New York Times noted, and

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Speaker 2: I quote, industry experts say, the criminal activity points to

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Speaker 2: a bigger mystery. Despite the embezzlement, and despite the coal

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Speaker 2: industry's protracted decline, the company has been able to survive.

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Speaker 2: Many of Signal Peak's better positioned industry peers lost money

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Speaker 2: on call exports and went bankrupt. So what's Signal Peak Energy?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Big secret? Yeah, might it be international money laundering because

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Speaker 2: remember the whole Putent inner circle thing. Yeah, keep that

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Speaker 2: in mind. Now to point out one energy financial analyst

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Speaker 2: from the Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis, a

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Speaker 2: gentleman named Clark Williams Dairy. He told The Times quote

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Speaker 2: never quite made sense to me. How did Signal Peak

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Speaker 2: Energy even stay afloat? Now, like I said, I'm no

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Speaker 2: energy sector insider, a normal I am some coal mining expert,

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Speaker 2: but I do no crime. And may I suggest that

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Speaker 2: the Putin crony as I just did the member of

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Speaker 2: his inner circle. That's the big red flag for me that,

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Speaker 2: Like you want to know how they stayed in business,

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you. I got it for you. Check the

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Speaker 2: Panama papers. Yeah, well, so basically transnational corruption. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I saw it out in New York Times. But these folks,

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Speaker 2: they have plenty of money to burn, right, all kinds

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Speaker 2: of illegal flows of capital. What do they care about

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Speaker 2: the economic health of the mining industry or even environmental laws?

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Speaker 2: Oh at all. Once he was in court, Larry Wayne

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Speaker 2: Price Junior confess that thanks to a scheme of over

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Speaker 2: billing and fake equipment sales and whatnot, he was able

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Speaker 2: to steal roughly forty million dollars in total. He was

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Speaker 2: eventually convicted for his crimes, and in October twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: he was sentenced to five years in prison plus three

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Speaker 2: years of probation after his prison sentence was complete. The

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Speaker 2: question for me is will that prison sentence be enough

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Speaker 2: to dissuade any future Larry Wayne's absolutely and you know

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Speaker 2: from attempting similar schemes.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not. He won't do the full five No, he'll

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Speaker 3: get a job coming out, because it's not like part

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Speaker 3: of the sentence is that you're forbidden from working in

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Speaker 3: the industry energy industry, So he'll just get another gig.

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Speaker 2: Now, it seems like fines in prisons time, as I

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Speaker 2: said earlier, just another cost to factor in as a

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Speaker 2: price of doing business. Yeah, like oh, you got a

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Speaker 2: five year sentence tool all right, because it's gonna be like,

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Speaker 2: you know, low security prison and whatnot. So it's all

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Speaker 2: he's gonna have to worry about getting stabbed up by

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Speaker 2: anybody inside anyway. So also, if a person is able

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Speaker 2: to successfully offshore, they're ill gotten gains. This is just

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Speaker 2: like a five year vacation and they go off to

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Speaker 2: get to be rich and wherever they want around the world. Now,

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Speaker 2: if it weren't for his local waitress slash accomplice coming

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Speaker 2: clean about her involvement, justice might never have happened because

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Speaker 2: it was difficult to make this case until she came

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Speaker 2: forward for her so you know. And also not all

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Speaker 2: these guys are as dumb as old Larry Wayne, so

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Speaker 2: like some of them don't have the wags getting them

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Speaker 2: the clean shonies. Yeah, he's like, what our dream baby. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: there was that dream home, I'm sorry, dream castle, including

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Speaker 2: the moat and the stone tower and whatnot, the indoor

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Speaker 2: shooting range, the golf simulator, the bowling alley, the screening room,

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Speaker 2: indoor outdoor kitchens. By the way, once again they pointed

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Speaker 2: out still for sale. So if you're willing to get

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Speaker 2: out there, to concoct some illicit international business and see,

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Speaker 2: if you want to swing it, this could be yours. Perfect, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: I got to ask a question to you, Now, what's

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Speaker 2: a ridiculous takeaway here?

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Speaker 3: These people are crooked? And I say, and it's like

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Speaker 3: I gesture wildly. People are cooked. What's yours?

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Speaker 2: The the current administration might look favorably on someone who

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Speaker 2: tries to pull off some crimes of this nation, as

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Speaker 2: long as they're willing to kick a bribe up the ladder.

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Speaker 2: So you know, like, if you're going to read the wind,

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Speaker 2: now's the time to make these moves. There you go,

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Speaker 2: so you moved for a talkback.

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Speaker 3: To watch all. I always am, oh my god, I jet.

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Speaker 5: Dark Becca here. I tell kids' stories almost weekly, and

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Speaker 5: I always have them close their eyes to help them

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Speaker 5: from being distracted. And no one day I was like,

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Speaker 5: you know what Saren and Elizabeth would do. They'd say,

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Speaker 5: close your eyes and the kids would say back, my

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Speaker 5: eyes are closed, and then they'd say picture it. And

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Speaker 5: so that's what I do now with the kids.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so those are now the coolest kids because they're

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Speaker 3: quoting us, quoting Dree. Oh my god, I love that.

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Speaker 3: It's effective though, right, like to center yourself into Becca.

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Speaker 3: I am so proud of you, hope.

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Speaker 2: I hope you're enjoying a great summer of dark or

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Speaker 2: I guess it's still spring Rebecca, though.

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Speaker 3: I think you know, I don't want us to be

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Speaker 3: Dark Rebecca and Dark Elizabeth forever.

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Speaker 2: So you guys can like, you know, position in and

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Speaker 2: out of it.

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Speaker 3: You're doing good work though, Honestly, like telling stories to kids,

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Speaker 3: oh yeah, doesn't like if you're not familiar, it might

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Speaker 3: be like, okay, well what's that now? That is like

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Speaker 3: some of the most serious, essential future building work anyone

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Speaker 3: can do. And so Dark Becca hats off to you,

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Speaker 3: thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: Totally big salute. Well, as always, you can find us

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Speaker 2: go to Ridiculous Crime pod and check it out. And

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Speaker 2: If you do that, please start it, dear producer d

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Speaker 2: oh in the talkbacks, obviously the talkbacks. We love the talkbacks.

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Speaker 2: So go to the iHeart app downloaded, leave a talkback

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Speaker 2: and maybe you get to hear your voice here. We'd

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Speaker 2: love to hear it here. So there you go. As always,

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Speaker 2: thank you for listening and we will catch you next crime.

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