1 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Hi. 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 2: and speaker. 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 3: And I'm Sarah hart Hunger, a mother of three, practicing physician, 5 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 3: writer and course creator. We are two working parents who 6 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 3: love our careers and our families. 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 2: how real women manage work, family, and time for fun, 9 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: from figuring out childcare to mapping out long. 10 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: Term career goals. 11 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: We want you to get the most out of life. 12 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: Welcome the best of both worlds. This is Laura. 13 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 2: This episode is airing in early January of twenty twenty five. 14 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: We're recording in twenty twenty four, so it's a little 15 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 2: weird to be saying that. 16 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: But welcome to the new year. 17 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 2: Welcome past Laura and Sarah to the new year, and 18 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 2: welcome everybody as well. Very excited to be starting on 19 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 2: a new year, twenty twenty five of best of both 20 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 2: world content. So today we're going to be discussing winter 21 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: fun and then also doing a deep dive into time tracking. 22 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 2: We'll be talking a little bit more about why you 23 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 2: might want to consider time tracking this time of year. 24 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 2: But in the meantime, Sarah, I hear you are recording 25 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 2: from a different location in your house. 26 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: Why is that? 27 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 3: Yes, So speaking of winter, you know all those winter 28 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 3: viruses that seem to crop up and school and propagate 29 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 3: everywhere just in time for your vacation. Well, we have 30 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 3: some influenza in our house right now. Our family does 31 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 3: all get flu shots. So you know, we tried. But yeah, 32 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 3: so my husband is sick and I tried to go 33 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 3: into my recording studio, but I could hear his coughing, 34 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 3: and I didn't think that would make a very nice 35 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 3: soundtrack to the episode. 36 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 2: I'm in Winter fun with a coughing soundtrack Winter not fun. 37 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 3: I mean it is sort of appropriate it as a 38 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 3: program in Yeah, I mean Annabel's room. You can see 39 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 3: the leg slightly purple. 40 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: Nice, I like, I like you did you guys? 41 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 4: Do that? 42 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: You put the purple in? 43 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 3: Right? 44 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: That wasn't already there? 45 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 3: She picked it like when we moved in. 46 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 2: She's already like she already wants something else. Absolutely welcome 47 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: to teen tween life exactly. Yeah, we had about of 48 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 2: the stomach bug this week in our house, which was 49 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: really lovely. 50 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: You know, Winter not fun for sure. It's been a while. 51 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,119 Speaker 2: I was grateful It's been a while since I've been 52 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 2: up most of the night with a sick child, but 53 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 2: I've experienced it again, so now I'm hoping I won't 54 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 2: for a long time. 55 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 1: Because it is most definitely not fun. 56 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: But this episode is about more positive topics, like, uh, 57 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 2: winter fun, Sarah, you live somewhere that winter actually is 58 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: fun on its own. I mean, this is like the 59 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 2: time when everyone wants to come visit you in Florida. 60 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 3: I know, And I feel bad when we record these 61 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 3: episodes because I'm like, I know, the idea of winter 62 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 3: fun was like the cozy and the hunkering down, and like, 63 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 3: I just my experience is not aligned with that, and 64 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I've experienced winters in the past. I mean, 65 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 3: Williamstown had a real significant winter that made me move 66 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 3: south for the rest of my life, so I get it. 67 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 3: So but here, yeah, it's actually probably my favorite season. 68 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 3: We have beautiful running temperatures. I don't have to live 69 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 3: in like anticipation of thunderstorms every day. I kind of 70 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 3: like the earlier darkness because the kids go to bed easier. 71 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 3: I really don't love when it's like nine o'clock and 72 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 3: still light and I have, you know, a kid under 73 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 3: the age of eight or so, and it's like it's bedtime. Anyway, 74 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 3: we usually go skiing, which is a fun winter highlight. 75 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 3: And then yeah, I just feel like the way I 76 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 3: see winter is probably how a lot of other people 77 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 3: see summer. But the way I see summer is how 78 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 3: a lot of people see winter. 79 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 2: So it's fair and you like winter. I mean, so 80 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 2: you like winter. It's like your favorite time of year 81 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: there right. 82 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say it's my I would say, yeah, 83 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 3: it's my We're in my favorite season. 84 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: You're in your favorite season. 85 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 2: Awesome, Well, it is not my favorite season, not even close. 86 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: And I mean it's we do get snow in this 87 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 2: part of the world. We get definitely get all four seasons. 88 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: We probably have three to four major snow falls a 89 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: year that are then there for a couple days to 90 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 2: a week. I know, we have had winters with long 91 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 2: term snow cover. It tends not to be the whole 92 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 2: winter we have snowcover. So a couple of years ago, 93 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: February through to March there was snow on the ground 94 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 2: every single day. So it has happened even in this 95 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: modern era. But that said, it's not usual. It's more 96 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 2: that it snows and then it melts, and then it 97 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 2: snows again, and then it melts. 98 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: We get a lot of yuck rain. We're often in. 99 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 2: The high is for the day, are very frequently in 100 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 2: the thirty two to thirty seven degree range, which is 101 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: not really nature's most beautiful place to put a high 102 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 2: for the day if it's going to precipitate. So yeah, 103 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:52,799 Speaker 2: a lot of that, but I've been trying to convince 104 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 2: myself to enjoy it. Many years ago I wrote a 105 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 2: post for Fast Company called the Norwegian Secret to Enjoying 106 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 2: a law Winter, which was based on some research that 107 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 2: someone had done about people living in Trumsa and such 108 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 2: places in Norway that they are not just chronically depressed 109 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 2: from November to January even though they don't see the sun, 110 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 2: they actually really get into it. And you know, maybe 111 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 2: it's that those are the people who have selected to 112 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 2: live there, or even genetically if they're more traditional Norwegian 113 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: folk who have just never left, but it's that, you know, 114 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: they come up with ways to enjoy it, like as humans, 115 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 2: where social creatures, we come up with ways to have 116 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: community celebrations in the winter. I mean, the whole idea 117 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 2: of Christmas, of course, is in the darkest part of 118 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 2: the year, right after the solstice, you have this festival 119 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: of light, and you can do other things to stretch 120 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 2: that out for the two months where you don't see 121 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 2: the sun, and you can do a lot of outdoor 122 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 2: things like skiing and sledding and snowshoeing, and they get 123 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 2: into that. So I don't know, I've been trying to 124 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 2: It's work in progress. 125 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you always have a winter fun list. I 126 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 3: guess that's part of your efforts of like finding bright 127 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 3: spots and looking for things that are positives about the season. 128 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: Perhaps, Yeah, I mean it's sort of. 129 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: I mean, so I think the winter fun list is 130 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 2: more like it is seasonal specific. But then some of 131 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 2: them are things that are getting me out of the cold, 132 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,239 Speaker 2: so you have to kind of realize that it's also 133 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 2: just fun things that I'm planning to do in winter. 134 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 2: So I'd be curious, Sarah, you're making a winter fun 135 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 2: list list this year? 136 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: What's on yours? 137 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 3: Well, I only made it because you told me too 138 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 3: for this episode. 139 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: Fine, but I like it. 140 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 3: You can still share it, I know, I definitely will. No, 141 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 3: I mean, I do seasonal planning, you know that, Like 142 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 3: I do my seasonal goal setting. I don't always think 143 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 3: about as much about like the weather and like that 144 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 3: type of season, but I kind of I liked it, 145 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 3: so I mean, this will probably make be my inspiration 146 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 3: when I do sit down and do my like Q 147 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 3: one planning. But then I also thought about, like the 148 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 3: end of December also counts this winter, even though this 149 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 3: episode does air Anyuary. So my winter fun list has 150 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 3: things that kind of remind me that it is winter 151 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 3: because sometimes I kind of feel like I want that reminder. 152 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 3: And then also that take advantage of our nicer weather. 153 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 3: So I have on there my neighborhood hang which I 154 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 3: mentioned in my yearly episode, so I want to do 155 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 3: that during the winter. I want to ski. I want 156 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 3: to ski every winter, so this is just going to 157 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 3: be a perennial winter fun list item. Unfortunately, living in Florida, 158 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 3: it's not like I can like go a few times 159 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 3: or a few weekends or something, but. 160 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: At least come up here. 161 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 3: Yes, I could do like two trips if I was 162 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 3: really ambitious, but yeah, right now, we're just gonna aim 163 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 3: for one and then you know, ski a few days 164 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 3: on said trip. I would like to make some fun 165 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 3: hot chocolate, So that's an item, like, do we need 166 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 3: hot chocolate when it's high of seventy two? Probably not, 167 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 3: but I want to remember that it's winter, so let's 168 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 3: make some like really dark, delicious, French style hot chocolate. 169 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 3: I'm copying you that I think I might like to 170 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 3: go to a Dolphins game because Josh has put that 171 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 3: on our family's list for a while and we just 172 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 3: haven't made it happen. I don't know if every family 173 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 3: member is going to be as excited about it, but 174 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 3: you know, maybe a subset of us could go. I 175 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 3: looked ahead to the media coming out in this season, 176 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 3: and I'm very much looking forward to watching White Lotus, 177 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 3: so that'll be a fun, cozy activity to do. Comes 178 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 3: out in February. I would like to make some good 179 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 3: soups or stews, which also aligns with like having better 180 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 3: lunches for work, so this is great also fits in seasonally. 181 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 3: And then two more, I want to resurrect the book 182 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 3: club this season because I feel like everyone will just 183 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 3: have the January energy and to be completely transparent, like 184 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:36,599 Speaker 3: it's already scheduled so I know I'll be able to 185 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 3: check this off. And then finally, I think it would 186 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 3: be really fun to do a massage with some kind 187 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 3: of heat element, so yeah, hot stones, tubs. I've moved 188 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 3: away from the idea that I can fit or afford 189 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 3: like responsibly monthly massages, but like seasonally I could do well. 190 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: If you're buying all those super shoes, right, I mean, 191 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 2: it's you would have to give it to the super choice. 192 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: In order to have the massage every month. 193 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, have to give up something to have something. So 194 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 3: I think seasonal is a happy medium. 195 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 1: Seasonal is a happy meeting. Excellent. 196 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 2: Let's see on mine, We're gonna go hopefully outdoor ice 197 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: skating again. 198 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: We actually did this in December. 199 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 2: I took three of the kids to the rink that 200 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 2: is downtown, that is on the Delaware waterfront. 201 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: And I actually really like this. 202 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 2: I mean, provided it as the weather is cooperating, Like 203 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 2: I would not want to be doing this if it 204 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 2: were freezing rain and thirty two to seven thirty seven degrees. 205 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: As sometimes happens. 206 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 2: But we went on a day where it was about 207 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 2: thirty three degrees and sunny, which was absolutely perfect because 208 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously if it gets up to like forty 209 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 2: five then the ice is terrible and it's no fun 210 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 2: at all. But if it's right around freezing, then the 211 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 2: ice is frozen, but you are also not freezing because 212 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 2: it's not terribly overwhelmingly cold, so that's really perfect. 213 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: It was sunny. It was great. 214 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 2: We watched the sun sort of set as we were 215 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 2: ice skating. I really enjoyed that. So hopefully we will 216 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 2: go back and have that as a seasonal fun. We 217 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 2: are likely going to go ski as a family, not 218 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 2: me because I don't ski, but I will tag along 219 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 2: this time and provide some Henry's support. He's gone with 220 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 2: Michael on a trip the past few years, and I 221 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 2: know that's been kind of challenging because Michael likes to 222 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: ski as well, so he's managing either having him like 223 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: right next to him or else. He's in the ski daycare. 224 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 2: So if I'm there, I can kind of supervise him 225 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 2: on the bunny slope and we can put him in 226 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: for a half day or something like that. 227 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 3: I was gonna say he is ski school age, like 228 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 3: that's true. 229 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: He will be Yeah, he's gonna be five, so that'll work. 230 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: That's true. Okay, never mind, Well I'll just sit in 231 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: the lodge and enjoy my I don't know. Non dairy 232 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: hot chocolate have to be something else. I don't know what. 233 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 2: I'll be enjoying coffee, just coffee all day long, but 234 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 2: maybe I'll go tubing or something on the same mountain. 235 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: That would be fun. I've hoped to go to. 236 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 2: Longwood Gardens again because they have elected to keep up 237 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 2: their Christmas decorations until January twelfth. I think this is 238 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: an excellent idea and everyone should consider doing this. I mean, 239 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 2: if you've bothered to put your decorations up as a 240 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 2: institution somewhere people can be festive into mid January, and 241 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 2: I think they wanted an extra weekend of visitors and 242 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 2: revenue from it. So that was great and that means 243 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 2: we'll go again. I'm going to a Sixers game, so 244 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 2: basketball is a winter sport. 245 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: My husband and I have tickets to that for some night. 246 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 2: I set a goal, as people know from the Goal episode, 247 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 2: to go to three professional sports events in Philadelphia in 248 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 2: the course of the year, so this will cross off 249 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 2: the Sixers. If the Eagles make the playoffs and the 250 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: games are here, we might consider trying to get tickets 251 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 2: for that, and then we would have knocked two of 252 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 2: the three off. In the first month, so that's exciting, 253 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 2: but that, of course is hard to predict exactly what 254 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 2: those games will be, or what the tickets will cost 255 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 2: or anything like that. 256 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: So that's a maybe. 257 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 2: I am traveling to Boston to see Beethoven's eighth and ninth. 258 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: This is not a winter specific thing, except that the 259 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 2: Boston Symphony Orchestra is doing a series of Beethoven performances 260 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 2: of all his symphonies over the course of January, so 261 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: you know it's happening in winter. It's not winter specific fun. 262 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 2: There's a few parties, including two of my children's birthday parties. 263 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 2: I'll see Sarah in early March. You're right, that is 264 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 2: still winter. 265 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 3: Winter's over, but it's not. 266 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: And then yeah, I'm. 267 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 2: Tagging along to one of my husband's conferences which is 268 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 2: also in mid March, which really technically is still winter here. 269 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: So you know, lots of good stuff. 270 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 2: So we're going to take a quick ad break and 271 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 2: we'll be back with a tiny bit more on winter 272 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 2: fun before getting into the meat of time tracking. Well, 273 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 2: we are back first talking winter fun and then moving 274 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 2: on to time tracking. So one thing I keep putting 275 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: on my list but doesn't happen due to the life 276 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 2: of constant snowcover sleigh riding. 277 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: Now, Sarah, you have gone sleigh riding even though you 278 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: are the Florida resident among us, so discuss this. 279 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 3: Well, it was in Montana, not in Florida. I'd be like, 280 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 3: on sand yeah, And actually they even said so we 281 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 3: went in late March of twenty twenty four, and they 282 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 3: were like, you guys are lucky because it's like about 283 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 3: to not have enough snow to even do this in 284 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 3: Montana because it was approaching April and spring does come 285 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 3: and start to melt. You need like a solid amount 286 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 3: of snow because there's like horses and yeah, you can't 287 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 3: be having them dragon along dirt. But it was amazing. 288 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 3: We did it for this like dinner, like if you 289 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 3: shook the sleigh ride to the dinner. It was an 290 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 3: absolute splurge and to the point where my kids are like, 291 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 3: are we doing that again? And I'm like, no, it's 292 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 3: not like in every trip to kind of situation. But 293 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 3: I think someday we'll do it again, because they loved 294 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 3: it and they still talk about it. So I do 295 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 3: recommend you could probably find something in conjunction with a 296 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,239 Speaker 3: ski trip, although maybe not in the Poconos. 297 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that in the Pocono I well, if we 298 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 2: travel somewhere else though, just ski, then we could you know, 299 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 2: do definitely presumably be a place we're choosing with more 300 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 2: consistent snow cover. 301 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, the problem is here, So there's I found. 302 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 2: A company that did it, like when I was first 303 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 2: looking into this, but you have to call like when 304 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 2: there's snow. It's like because they only open up then 305 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 2: if there is you know, six inches of snow. So 306 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 2: the idea, like you would have to have the space 307 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 2: to do it, Like, it's just so many things don't 308 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 2: work with like my family situation and schedule to just 309 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 2: magically be able to fit in a sleigh ride should 310 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 2: it happen to snow. So that's not happened yet, but yeah, 311 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 2: maybe on a ski trip we will figure that out. 312 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 2: Another thing with winter fun is just trying to figure 313 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 2: out how to keep the festivities going. Like I mentioned 314 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 2: the Longwood Gardens thing. You can certainly keep your own 315 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 2: white lights up as long as you might wish. Obviously 316 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 2: Santa decorations and red and green and colored lights might 317 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 2: start to feel a little bit dated by mid January, 318 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 2: but there's nothing inherently Christmasy about little white lights. I mean, 319 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 2: we have these cafe lights up outside year round, so 320 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 2: you could certainly keep some white lights up until February March. 321 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 2: I don't know till the sun is up more frequently. Yeah, 322 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 2: and I'm going to be wearing a lot of winter white, 323 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 2: how about you, Sarah. 324 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 3: You know I don't have a lot of winter white, 325 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 3: but now that you've said that, it's like a that's 326 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 3: a new goal. I love. I love the idea of 327 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 3: winter white, especially like pants. That's just so elegant, very elegant. Yeah. 328 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 2: I have a white coat which I'm now looking at 329 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 2: and thinking maybe I should take this white coat to 330 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 2: the cleaners, because that is, of course the downside of 331 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 2: the white coat. But it is fun to wear a 332 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 2: white coat, so as long as it stays white, which 333 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 2: is easier said than done some years. So another thing 334 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 2: that is coming in January, which may be fun for 335 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 2: some people, is my annual time tracking challenge. So longtime 336 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 2: listeners know I've done this the past few years. Some 337 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 2: years we've had thousands of people tracking along and during 338 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 2: a week in January. This year, we are doing the 339 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 2: week of January thirteenth through twentieth, So Monday, January thirteenth 340 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 2: through the twentieth, we'll have lots of people doing it together. 341 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 2: You know, you can sign up for that on my website. So, Sarah, 342 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 2: have you ever done the time tracking challenge in January before? 343 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 3: I've definitely done time tracking, like while we've been doing it, 344 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 3: like with the Patreon or like aligned with you, and 345 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 3: somehow I don't know if I like, I feel like 346 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 3: I signed up for the emails. I don't know if 347 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 3: I did it exactly when I was supposed to do it. 348 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 3: But I have like completed the challenge of tracking all 349 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 3: of my time for seven days, and I actually like 350 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 3: to do it about every season. So I love this 351 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 3: exercise and I love that you lead it. 352 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 353 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I first tracked my time for a week in 354 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: like two thousand and nine. I was writing one hundred 355 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 2: and sixteen hours, so obviously I needed to track my 356 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 2: time if I was having other people doing it too. 357 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 2: But I started tracking my time continuously in April of 358 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, which means that we are coming up on 359 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 2: the ten year anniversary of that, which is kind of 360 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 2: a long time to have done that with no real interruptions. 361 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 2: That's the longest streak I've ever had. Well, I mean, 362 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 2: I'll probably brush my teeth daily since twenty fifteen too, 363 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 2: but streaks of that sort of nature. 364 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 3: You know, it's a that's a lot of data. 365 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: It is a lot of data, Oh my goodness. 366 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 2: Well it's not easily organized though, because at some point 367 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 2: I gave up the idea of doing like the mutually exclusive, 368 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 2: comprehensively exhaustive categories or putting it in to excel in 369 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 2: a form where I was like actually tracking you know, 370 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 2: what cells say, sleep, what sells they work, what sell 371 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 2: say you know, so I would have to go in 372 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 2: and do that now, like make it more coding friendly 373 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 2: or something. 374 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: But you know, it's more about memory keeping at this point. 375 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: I'm not sitting there. 376 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 2: When I track my time and post it publicly January 377 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 2: thirteen through twenty, I will add up how much I 378 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 2: sleep and how much I work and how much I 379 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 2: do different things. But I don't tend to do that 380 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 2: every week now. It's more just as a record of life, 381 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 2: making sure things are looking more or less as I 382 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 2: want them to do it. But I think everyone should 383 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 2: try this at least once in their life. I mean, 384 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: you know, your time very well, Sarah, and I think 385 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 2: you still found it somewhat useful totally. 386 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 3: It's not even just like the data, it's like the 387 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 3: act of doing it makes your aware of what you're 388 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 3: doing when you're doing it, Like it can elucidate little 389 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 3: things even with habits, like why certain things are a struggle. 390 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 3: I don't know. I always learn something new, and I 391 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 3: really do feel like I benefit from doing it every 392 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 3: few months because as the seasons of life change, as 393 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 3: our schedules change, it just feels kind of right to 394 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 3: take stock again and figure out what's working and what's not. 395 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 3: But yeah, learn little things every time. 396 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, little things. 397 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 2: I mean just like, oh, yeah, this is what my 398 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 2: mornings look like now, or oh it's possible that I 399 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:42,959 Speaker 2: could do this in the evenings now. I couldn't before, 400 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 2: but you know, my life looks different now. Or you know, 401 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 2: I used to think that Saturdays were just a lost 402 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 2: day with kid activities, but maybe then your kids are 403 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 2: older and they're getting themselves to things, and it opens 404 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 2: up time again. Life changes and our time changes and 405 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 2: should change and how we approach it. But you know, 406 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 2: just to let make sure people know it's not about 407 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 2: any sort of like gotcha thing. Like, you know, people 408 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 2: are sometimes like, well, I don't really want to do it, 409 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 2: because you know, I'm just gonna be like forced to 410 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 2: confront how much Netflix I'm watching or forced to see 411 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 2: that I'm on Instagram for two hours a day, and 412 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 2: I'm like, if it brings you joy to be on 413 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 2: Instagram two hours a day, I am one hundred percent 414 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 2: in favor of that. Maybe it doesn't bring you joy, 415 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 2: in which case it might be good to know, right, 416 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 2: And then you can say, oh, well, you know, maybe 417 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 2: there's some other website that's less, doesn't make me feel 418 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 2: bad but would still be pretty eye candy. So let 419 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 2: me go find this website that would be pretty eye 420 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 2: candy but wouldn't make me feel terrible about my life 421 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 2: in the course of looking at it. So it's always 422 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 2: about looking for solutions and instead of just judging yourself 423 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 2: or feeling some sort of shame about where your time goes, 424 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 2: because everybody wastes time like I waste tons of time. 425 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 2: I may try to waste less time during the week 426 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 2: of January thirteen to twenty because I am posting it, 427 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 2: but trust me, there is plenty of scrolling puttering around 428 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 2: the house starting something and getting distracted, coming back to it, 429 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 2: not remembering what I was doing, getting distracted again, and 430 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 2: so on, hours disappearing. 431 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 3: Maybe you should make a concerted effort not to waste 432 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 3: less time. 433 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 2: Not to wasteless so people can see it in all 434 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 2: its glory. Yeah, yeah, but it's not that hard. So 435 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 2: what you'll do is you'll download a spreadsheet from my 436 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 2: website if you wish. You can also use a notebook, 437 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 2: or you could use a time tracking app, whatever would be. 438 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you've used do you use a spreadsheet when 439 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: you do it? Sarah? What have you usually done? 440 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 3: I just use a notebook and I just I either 441 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 3: just write everything like Hopunichi has a little timeline or 442 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 3: my favorite notebook to use is Nostology because it has 443 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 3: all twenty four hours in a column along the left, 444 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 3: so it's very easy to just write, like what you're doing. 445 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 3: But I I feel like most people probably prefer digital. 446 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: Is that right? Well? 447 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 2: I use the spreadsheet online and I'm not a very 448 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 2: digital person, but that's just how I started doing it. 449 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 2: I like to see what the week looks like all 450 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 2: in one picture, true, which if you're tracking on a notebook, 451 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 2: sometimes it's harder to get that all in one grid, 452 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 2: and because you could also sort of see like the 453 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 2: space in the morning before you wake up the space 454 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 2: and you kind of get a sense of where it is. 455 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 2: I love the first time I did this on a 456 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 2: spreadsheet that is Monday through Sunday, and I saw that 457 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 2: Thursday was the middle of the week, and it's like, 458 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 2: you know, that insight in and of itself was just 459 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 2: eye opening that if my timelog starts Monday at five 460 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 2: am and goes to the next Monday at four thirty am, 461 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 2: the middle of the week is five pm Thursday. Oh. 462 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 2: I know. 463 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 3: Every single time I'm on call and I look at 464 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 3: my watch and it's like the end of day Thursday. 465 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: I like curse you a little. 466 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 2: Bit because they're like, sorry, Sarah, you are only halfway through. 467 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 468 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 3: Not I'm only halfway through this. 469 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: Oh my god. I know it. 470 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 2: I can't pretend like other people can, like, oh well, 471 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 2: Thursday is like the end of the week. 472 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 3: To be fair, the weekend's easier, so it's a little 473 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 3: bit downhill from there. But no, I think of you 474 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 3: every single time. I can't help it. I'm gonna vow 475 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 3: right now that I'm going to try this digitally this year, Like, 476 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 3: I may write it down, but I want to see 477 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 3: it all laid out in a grid, like yeah, I 478 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 3: want to see what it looks like well. 479 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 2: And obviously if you are trying to add up categories, 480 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 2: it's a lot harder to do that if it's written 481 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 2: down in a notebook. You know, if you have it 482 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 2: on regular Excel, you could just total up the number 483 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 2: of cells that said something like sleep, and that would 484 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 2: be a fairly simple thing to do. Or even if 485 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 2: you're just adding it up by visually looking at it, 486 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 2: it's easier when it's all in one grid and you 487 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 2: can see it like that, but no requirement to add 488 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:44,719 Speaker 2: things up. 489 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: It's just if you want to. 490 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 2: I don't do anything fancy art wise with it. We've 491 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 2: had some people put in photos if they want to 492 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 2: use it as a memory keeping kind of thing, or 493 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 2: do some expanded thing where they put like just you know, 494 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 2: visited with cousin in the cell itself, but then put 495 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 2: some way that you can link that to a longer 496 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 2: entry where they talk more about, you know, what they 497 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 2: did with their cousin. 498 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,239 Speaker 1: And that would be a fun way to do this too. 499 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 2: If you are focused more on the memory keeping aspect 500 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 2: of it. 501 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 3: Totally pasting pictures looks cool too, Yeah, imagine. Well let's 502 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 3: take a quick break and then I'm interested in what 503 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 3: you tend to find people discover. 504 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: All right, let's do it. 505 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 3: All right, we are back. You have looked at many, 506 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 3: many time logs over the years, so I'm curious what 507 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 3: do you tend What are like. 508 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 2: The most common findings, Well, one very common one from 509 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 2: a past. Especially people who listen to this podcast might 510 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 2: be interested to hear. A lot of women who have 511 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 2: big jobs have been telling themselves the story or have 512 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 2: heard the story from various people over the years, that 513 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 2: they are just not spending enough time with their kids, 514 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 2: right like, oh, you know, I'm working all the time. 515 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 1: I don't see my kids all that much. It's really 516 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: too bad. I do what I can. 517 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 2: I've had people track their time and say, well, I 518 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,239 Speaker 2: used to feel guilt. I don't feel guilt anymore. We 519 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 2: are talking people in very, very demanding jobs still spending 520 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 2: thirty forty hours a week with their children. Because it 521 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 2: turns out that even if you work a lot, you 522 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 2: also don't work many of the hours of the week. 523 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 2: There are one hundred and sixty eight hours in the week. 524 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 2: So if you are sleeping fifty six of them and 525 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 2: sleep and working fifty of them, you have sixty two 526 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 2: hours that are spent on other things. 527 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: And if you have. 528 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 2: Small children, a lot of those hours are going to 529 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 2: be with those small children. And you know, even if 530 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 2: they're not so small, like you're still in the same house, like, 531 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 2: you wind up spending a ton of time with the 532 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 2: people who are in your household, just by virtue of proximity. 533 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: So a lot of times people. 534 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 2: Don't necessarily think that in their lives, but then when 535 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 2: they track their time and they see the volume of 536 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 2: time spent with family members, it just gives you a 537 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 2: very different picture of what life truly looks like. You know, 538 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 2: if people say, like, wow, you know, I know I'm 539 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 2: a full time lawyer, I didn't know I was actually 540 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 2: a full time parent too, but it's very possible. 541 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 3: That you are. Wow. Well, that's probably makes people feel 542 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 3: good and reassuring. I like it. Yeah, anything else. 543 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 2: Well, one of the reasons people are around their kids 544 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 2: so much is that they work less than they think 545 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 2: this is. I mean, it's human nature to sort of 546 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 2: overestimate things we may not always want to do. And 547 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 2: I'm sure people like their jobs, but there are parts 548 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 2: that are tedious, and so it's very easy to see 549 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 2: our longest weeks as typical. So it's not so much 550 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 2: that you know, people are saying, oh, I work eighty 551 00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 2: hours a week and they've like never worked an eighty 552 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 2: hour week. What it is is that they've worked an 553 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 2: eighty hour week like four times over the course of 554 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 2: the year, and those four times are just like burned 555 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 2: into their brain because they were so terrible, and so 556 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 2: they're like, oh, that's what my life looks like, but 557 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 2: it probably isn't. Like there are probably a lot of 558 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 2: weeks that are way less intense. So if you choose 559 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 2: to track an eighty hour week, that's fine. But my 560 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 2: guess is just through the nature of the luck of 561 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 2: the draw, January thirteen to twenty may not be that week. Like, 562 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 2: if it only happens four times a year, it's probably 563 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 2: not going to be that week, and so you might 564 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 2: get a different picture of how many hours you are working. 565 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 2: Sometimes it's because we have a picture of a typical 566 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 2: week that involves us being at work five days a week, 567 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 2: But there are many reasons people aren't at work five 568 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 2: days a week. Sometimes it's holidays or paid time off. 569 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 2: Sometimes it's that you had something personal during one of 570 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 2: the days, or day got taken away from you for 571 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 2: some other reason, like you're working at home and you 572 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 2: have the flu, Yes, you have the flu, or like 573 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 2: there's a huge leak in your basement you have to 574 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 2: deal with there, right, I mean, these are things that happen, 575 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 2: and you know you might make up some of the 576 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 2: work at some point, but you may not make it 577 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 2: up hour for hour, right, and so you wind up 578 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 2: with fewer hours than you would have thought. The good news, 579 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 2: people often do sleep a little bit more than they 580 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 2: think they do. We have a tendency to again view 581 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 2: our works nights as typical, and so if you had 582 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 2: a really bad night, like Sunday night, you were up 583 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 2: late because you were sleeping in late Sunday morning because 584 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 2: you can't fall asleep Sunday night, and then you have 585 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,719 Speaker 2: to be up at the crack of dawn on Monday, 586 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 2: like that is what you see as your typical night, 587 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 2: as opposed to maybe, like Thursday, you actually crash on 588 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 2: the couch at nine thirty and sleep till like seven 589 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 2: thirty in the morning. Well, you're not viewing ten hour 590 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 2: you know, no one would be like, well, yeah, yeah, 591 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 2: I sleep ten. 592 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: Hours a night, but you did, like you did. 593 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 2: It happened once the six hour night, also happened once 594 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 2: in the ten hour night, but maybe it averages out 595 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 2: to more like seven to eight, which is where the 596 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 2: vast majority of adults land. 597 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 3: This is totally in aside. But when I do this, 598 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 3: I'm gonna then see if my phone sleep record is accurate, 599 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 3: because I never really know. I don't find enough attention, 600 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 3: but I think this will help me. 601 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 2: Well, this is an interesting thing that has come up 602 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 2: with now that there are so many sleep trackers that 603 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 2: people are wearables that people have, and the variance between 604 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,719 Speaker 2: that and recorded sleep, Like if you were tracking it 605 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 2: on a log, if I was up in the middle 606 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 2: of the night, I would record that. If it took 607 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 2: me more than ten minutes to fall asleep, I would 608 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 2: probably record that on my log too, because I would 609 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 2: have remembered that I was lying awake in my bed 610 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 2: for a while. 611 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if. 612 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 2: Everyone does that when they're recording how much they sleep, 613 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 2: but I think you could, and then I think they 614 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 2: would be fairly similar. Now, obviously there's some like where 615 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 2: we go into very light stages of sleep. I mean, 616 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 2: would you be recording that as sort of wakefulness? I 617 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 2: don't know how those apps are always recording them. I mean, 618 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 2: if you're just tossing and turning, I'm not sure that 619 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 2: I would record that as being awake. 620 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: So I don't know. 621 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 3: It's yeah, I don't wear my watch to bed or 622 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 3: anything like that, and so it's just relying on my phone, 623 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 3: and my phone just happens to be like sitting, like 624 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 3: or if I'm reading in bed, how does my phone 625 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 3: no phone? 626 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: Your phone? I'll think? I mean, is it tracking your pulls? 627 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: So I knows? 628 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 3: I mean it might be, but like I don't know, 629 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 3: we'll see, I'll let you know, all right. 630 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 2: So well, but people might want to do that as 631 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 2: an experiment too, like how does it differ if you 632 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 2: have one of those aura rings or something between that 633 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 2: and your time track? 634 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: Or I'd love to love to hear. 635 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 2: I think there's also a lot of people realize that 636 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 2: sometime it's hard to account for or categorize. We all 637 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 2: have this sort of nebulous downtime in our lives, and 638 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 2: the good news is that you can either acknowledge it, 639 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 2: like oh, yes, this is downtime, Like this is time 640 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 2: I don't have to do anything else. I could just 641 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 2: chill if I want, Or you could say, well, I 642 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 2: don't have to keep getting up and moving something from 643 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 2: the kitchen counter one item at a time and then 644 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 2: getting distracted like half hearted housework that isn't really accomplishing anything. 645 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,719 Speaker 2: You could repurpose this for something more fun. Say I, actually, 646 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 2: I do have nothing on the schedule this afternoon. For 647 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 2: a Saturday afternoon, I could trade off with my partner 648 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 2: and go to gym for an hour, like we're not 649 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 2: doing anything. That would be fine. So people can repurpose 650 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 2: some of that, And. 651 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 3: I can imagine there's a good amount of time that's 652 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 3: just like transitions like getting out the door and then 653 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 3: also driving. 654 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, driving definitely takes a reasonable amount of time. 655 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 2: That was something I was surprised by when I first 656 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 2: started doing this, because I don't commute to an office, 657 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 2: so in my mind I can't be driving that much. 658 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 2: But I can tell you I am, in fact driving 659 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 2: a fair amount. Between driving all my kids around, driving 660 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 2: myself places, it adds up. 661 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: It definitely definitely adds up. 662 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 2: So you'll come up with lots of different insights into 663 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 2: your life. 664 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: You know, you can then ask. 665 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 2: Yourself what you like about your schedule, what you want 666 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 2: to change, what you want to spend more time doing, 667 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 2: what you want to spend less time doing, figuring out 668 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 2: some strategies for switching it up we're necessary, or maybe 669 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 2: just leaning into the things that are wonderful about your life. 670 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 2: And there's many great outcomes from tracking your time, so 671 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 2: I encourage everyone to do it. If you are listening 672 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 2: to this, you should go to my website, Laura vandercam 673 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 2: dot com. By the time this airs, there will be 674 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 2: a big box on the front of it that says 675 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 2: sign up for the time tracking Challenge, and you could 676 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 2: just do that. But if for some reason you're listening 677 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 2: to this at an entirely different time, just check my blog. 678 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: I will have posted the links several times. 679 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 2: If you get my newsletters, they will have been in 680 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 2: there lots of ways you will be able to sign up. 681 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 2: Strongly encourage people to do it because you get daily 682 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 2: motivational emails from me. 683 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 3: I'm excited. 684 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 2: Yay, it'll be fun. It'll be fun, all right. So 685 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:46,719 Speaker 2: this week's question a timely one. Our listener writes, really 686 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 2: do I need to start planning for summer camp. Now, 687 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 2: what if I am exhausted from the holidays, Like, are 688 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 2: they looking for I don't know, Sarah. 689 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: Maybe this person is looking for permission to not do it. 690 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. What do you think? 691 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 3: I mean, that's what I'm seeing. Well, I mean I 692 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 3: can give you my answer, which is that it certainly 693 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 3: depends on your area. If you will live worse somewhere 694 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 3: that everything gets snapped up, then like kind of yeah, 695 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 3: unless you want to just be okay with having fewer choices, 696 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 3: because there's gonna be something open later on, but it 697 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 3: may not be what your kids want. And I know 698 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 3: that my kids, well they're going to that Monday through 699 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 3: Friday sleep away camp again. That's three weeks. And one 700 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 3: of them was like, I want this specific like you 701 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,719 Speaker 3: know they have different like specialties because my friends are 702 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 3: in it, and like if you don't put me in 703 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 3: that one, it's gonna sell out and I won't be 704 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 3: with my friends and it won't be me fun. So 705 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 3: you can bet. Like I was December fifth or whatever 706 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 3: the day that it was, it was open. Okay, done, 707 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 3: signed up, check, We're done. Like you know, it's one 708 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 3: less thing to worry about later. A lot of the 709 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 3: camps don't require all the payment in advance. If that's, 710 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 3: you know, a concern, you can like spread that part out. 711 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 3: But I kind of think that you're gonna have to 712 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 3: do eventually, and it is easier to do when there's 713 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 3: lots of options open versus when you're now like playing 714 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 3: patchwork with what's actually available. And when do I want 715 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 3: my kids? I guess with the only risk that like 716 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 3: in case you have kids that changed their mind a lot. 717 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 2: Well, but even with that, if you are willing to 718 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 2: lose a tiny bit of money, like I said, some 719 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 2: of the camps will allow you to just put a 720 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 2: fifty or one hundred dollars deposit down, and you know, 721 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 2: if your kid is prone to changing their mind, you 722 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 2: might just decide, well, you know, so I have the coverage, 723 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 2: I'm going to put that in. I might lose my 724 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 2: fifty dollars, but that wouldn't be the end of the 725 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 2: world in order to have that guarantee. So that is 726 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 2: a mindset that one can take on that I signed 727 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 2: Henry up for a particular day camp during a week 728 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 2: that I know we don't have other childcare coverage, and 729 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 2: he was whining that he didn't want to do it, 730 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 2: but he was whining about everything that morning, so I 731 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 2: have no idea if he wants to do it or not. 732 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 2: He probably will think something entirely different by July. So 733 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm just going to put in the deposit 734 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 2: and have it because I know this is a camp 735 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 2: that does sell out, and I didn't have to fill 736 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 2: out any of the forms, and because kids have gone 737 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 2: to this camp or done programs to this organization in 738 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 2: the past, they actually had all my information anyway. So 739 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 2: this is one of the brilliant ones where I just 740 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 2: could use the platform and it was like already recognized 741 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 2: me and had my phone number and had like our 742 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 2: backup contacts names and phone numbers. 743 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: So I was like, whoo, well, all I had to 744 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: do is like basically say take my fifty dollars. 745 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,760 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so we're sorry, we think you should consider 746 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 3: getting on that. 747 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 2: But again, if you're in a place where there is 748 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 2: stuff available in April or May, then. 749 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:40,320 Speaker 1: Fine, then fine. 750 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,919 Speaker 2: You know you then don't have to or you could 751 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,359 Speaker 2: decide that most of the time this summer you're going 752 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 2: to if this is an option for you, have like 753 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 2: a summer babysitter. Like if you think you'd be able 754 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 2: to hire a summer nanny for twelve weeks or something, 755 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 2: somebody who's maybe home from college and looking for a job, 756 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 2: then no, you don't have to worry about it too much. 757 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 2: I mean, mostly that person would do stuff, and then 758 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 2: you could sign up for like half day camps here 759 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 2: and there that was something related to your kid's interest. 760 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 2: But if you didn't have it on any given day, 761 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 2: it wouldn't be the end of the world. It's more 762 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 2: how much are you going to absolutely need coverage? And 763 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 2: if you absolutely need coverage, then you, as the parent 764 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 2: of school age children, you need to recognize that school 765 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 2: is not childcare. So this is just about figuring out 766 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 2: your childcare same as you would like you did when 767 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 2: your kid was one. Yes, for better or for worse, 768 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,399 Speaker 2: For better or for worse. Yeah, no, Well I'm sorry 769 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 2: because I know I'm annoyed about it too. Like I 770 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 2: don't want to do my summer spreadsheet, but that is 771 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 2: on the list for the month. 772 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 3: Yeah I don't either. It doesn't feel I'm more doing them, 773 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 3: like as the upper you may have just taken. Like 774 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 3: if you're on enough lists, you can have the attitude 775 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 3: of like, as the opportunities arrive, I can take them 776 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 3: one by one rather than I'm going to figure out 777 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 3: the entire summer right now, because even I I'm not 778 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 3: in the mood to do that. 779 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 2: No, no, And I'm definitely not planning my older children's summers. 780 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 2: That's like absolutely not. They're on it theirselves. Like can 781 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 2: apply for a job if you want to go to 782 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 2: camp some nerd, that's great, but you're the one figuring 783 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 2: that out, not me. 784 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: That that makes sense. I put in my time. 785 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 2: For all of you, all right. So, Sarah, love of 786 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 2: the week. What do you have this week? 787 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 3: I have a clean car, so yay. This doesn't happen 788 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 3: very often, but we try to do it once a 789 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 3: year and Josh actually took both cars. He took charge, 790 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,359 Speaker 3: did one after the other, and it is just, oh 791 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 3: my gosh, like it's amazing, Like the seats are clean, 792 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 3: the outside is clean. I should probably maybe think about 793 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 3: upgrading to two times next year because of how happy 794 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 3: it makes me. But yeah, clean cars. 795 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: Clean cars, excellent, excellent. 796 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 2: Well, my love of the week is hot hands, those 797 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 2: little things you put in your pocket and keep you hot. 798 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 2: I've mentioned this before, but you know, it's really nice 799 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,399 Speaker 2: to have a portable heat source if you are out 800 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 2: and about with winter. So if you're looking to make 801 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 2: winter a little more fun, not being freezing is one 802 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,799 Speaker 2: way to do that. All right, Well, this has been 803 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,839 Speaker 2: of both worlds. We've been talking winter fun and then 804 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 2: the time tracking challenge. 805 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: Go sign up for that. We will be back next 806 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 1: week with more on making work and life fit together. 807 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 808 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 3: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, 809 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:18,879 Speaker 3: and you. 810 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 4: Can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This 811 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,359 Speaker 4: has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join 812 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 4: us next time for more on making work and life 813 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 4: work together.