WEBVTT - Ep. 10: Pole Jerking with Salmon Sauce 0:00:02.120 --> 0:00:04.520 He's like, I told you it's a lose, which seems 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:07.640 appropriate because if you buy this, you're gonna lose. We 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:12.000 only shrimp boil and ported directly from Palermo. I'm so 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:14.880 sorry to get you all excited chain pickerel, but it 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:19.280 turns out Pennsylvanians still don't really like you. You cannot 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:28.920 fish into bad past. Good morning, degenerate anglers. Welcome to Bent, 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:32.159 the fishing podcast that's only interested in gas money trips 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:34.599 because it can't afford to pay full charter rate. I'm 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:38.440 Joe Surmelli a Miles Nulty, and as a former guy, 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:42.560 I resent that intro that you do. But you rode 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:45.360 there was no gas money. It would have been a 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:49.159 lunch money trip for you. No. No, we still had 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:51.440 to drive to the river. There was gas involved, and 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:56.480 you're forgetting about paying for shuttles. Shuttles, shuttle shuttle money. 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:58.840 I throw you some shuttle money. It's not I hated. 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:00.960 I always hated that. Oh you guys just river goods. 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:05.559 You don't have any overhead anyway, moving on, so there's 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:08.479 no rowing your shelves involved. But I did get away 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.080 for a long weekend with the family recently, which was 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:14.240 nice on some hikes up in the mountains, did some 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:18.039 small creek fishing, which I love, uh, And it was, man, 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:19.760 it was just gorgeous. The cotton woods were all like 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:22.280 lit up yellow, and it was like that water that's 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:24.240 so cold it almost feels like it's hot, like it 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:27.000 burns your feet, you know, And and tying a little 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:30.320 brick streams and the brookies were brookies were like full 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:32.440 on fall colors. To man, they were just glowing with 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:35.080 the white rim fins and the black line gums you know, 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:37.959 you know how they get this time of year. And 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:40.399 and I mean they were brookies, so they ate everything 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:43.399 we threw at them. It was just I was gonna 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:45.720 say the best thing about a wild brookies it'll eat anything. 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:49.760 Adams doesn't make any difference. No, I literally was changing 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:51.800 changing it up, just to see what will they eat 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.480 this too, Like I found this thing I found at 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:56.480 the bottom of the bag. Will ate that. It was great. 0:01:57.720 --> 0:01:59.440 But I gotta say, for as great as the week, 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:01.240 it was, and we had a blast, you know what 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:05.360 sucked coffee? Ah, yeah, No, we were staying in this 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:07.800 cheap little airbnb and we forgot to bring our own 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:10.720 coffee and it was one of those moments where my 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:12.200 wife and I, like, we looked at each other and 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:15.880 we never thought of ourselves as coffee snob people, but 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:19.240 we had this realization that we have become them, and 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:22.280 that we've just gotten totally spoiled because every day we 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:24.799 get up and we drink Black Rifle coffee. And as 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:26.800 much as we didn't want to come home from the trip, 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:30.880 we both genuinely missed waking up to like an excellent 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:33.040 cup of brew. That was that was the one good 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:35.119 thing about coming home. I'll concure with that. And maybe 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:36.880 I am a coffee snob. Now. I never thought i'd 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:40.440 say that, But my house, just like this podcast, runs 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:42.519 on Black Rifle coffee, and aside from the fact that 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:45.160 they make a damn fine blend, they also have a 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:48.560 coffee club that you can join. Just sign up and 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:50.640 the coffee legs shows up at your front door. Man, 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:54.960 it's freaking magic, magic, very very subscription boxes. You know, 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:57.440 you never have to worry about waking up to a 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:00.960 house full of screaming kids, sometimes with a mild hangover 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:04.160 to boot and uh, realizing other ship we're out of coffee, 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:07.000 because it's just always there, you know, it's beautiful. It is, 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.079 it is, it is kind of magical. I like what 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:12.560 you said that and not that, but Black Rifle supports 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:15.960 the wild and firefighters who were out on the front 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:20.040 lines battling those unprecedented fires of ridge across the West 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:22.839 this year. So their company you can feel good about 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.000 giving your money to in addition to having good product, 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:28.000 which I was like, So, go to Black Rifle Coffee 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:31.040 dot com slash meat Eater to get set up with 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:34.160 your own coffee subscription. If you use a promo code 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:36.240 meat Eater at checkout, they will give you an additional 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:39.680 off first order. I just gotta throw this out there. 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:43.000 Man here at Bent we uh definitely need to throw 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:45.760 a shout out to the women and men sweating their 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:50.040 respective genitalia off and literally putting their bodies in front 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:53.280 of walls of fire, which I can't imagine, because like 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.720 I feel heroic after mowing the lawn on a hot day, 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:58.920 you know, like sit down and survey the property and 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.760 I'm like I did some some real ship here today. 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:06.040 But you know, like one thing to note about those firefighters, 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:09.680 They're not only out there saving homes and businesses right there, 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:16.039 also protecting watersheds, so in Oregon, California, Washington, Idaho, they've 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:19.440 saved some critical salmon and steelhead spawning grounds in the process, 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:25.200 and we greatly appreciate their work and sacrifice. Speaking of 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:29.279 spawning grounds, word has at the famed Salmon River in Plaska, 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:34.120 New York is now roid raging with kings salmon teaming 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:36.799 with mud sharks as I like to call them, which 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:40.120 means the sleepy hamlet is once again overrun with jabrones 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:43.680 from NYC, in Philly and Jersey and Boston, places where 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:47.320 all my friends live. They're just out there slinging lead gobbs, 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:49.760 the yarn for a giant, tired fish that are rotting 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:53.560 from the inside out. Personally, I avoid salmon season like 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:56.480 the plague. I don't I don't go for the salmon run. 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:58.440 I just wait for the steelhead to show up a 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:01.440 little later. But um, I know many of you can't 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:03.640 wait to be one of the fifty people flexing around 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:06.600 a fifty ft long hole. So this week our friend 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.200 ray Leota has the skinny on what's happening up there. 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:11.640 And yes we do mean that ray Leota, who quit 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:20.960 smoking using chants and then replace that addiction with salmon fishing. Hey, 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:24.320 how are you doing? This is Ray at ray Leota's 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.320 Bait and Tackle in Pulaska in New York, calling in 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:31.640 this week's salmon fishing report. Based on what customers and 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:34.760 a few trusted sources are telling me, the salmon are 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.640 generally being assholes right now. They don't want to eat 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:41.080 nothing but fancy flies presented on those long rods the 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:44.520 kids hold like a Louisville slugger with two hands. You 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:47.520 stow the group I'm talking about out there waving that 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:51.400 ship around like ballet dancers. Spay casting I think they 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:54.880 call it. Anyway. Word on the street is if you 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.320 drift an egg sack past these sam and they're like 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:01.320 you spay me. You bounce a piece of yarn right 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:07.760 off their nose and they're like you spay me. I'm 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:11.440 just with you. We all know that fly fishing is ship. 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.200 Last week a kid got too close to me waving 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:16.760 one of those rods around at the muskrat hole, and 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:19.640 let's just say he can barely hold the call button 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:22.359 next to his I see you, bed let alone a 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:27.320 fly pole. The kings have been running strong, but the 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:30.960 silvers are slow to start. Those big bastard Kings, though, 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:33.560 haven't been able to resist a wat of kitchen sponge 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:37.320 soaked in raylio to this famous salmon sauce only available 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.760 here at the shop. I got Nikki and some kid 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.560 named Wayne or Dwayne or whatever something cooking up more 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.120 than sauce in the back. Right now. We use only 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:50.280 shrimp oil imported directly from Palermo, and Nikki slices the 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:55.320 velveta soa thin it melts instantly. The crowds have been 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:58.279 so out of control. I've been sending little Jimmy Bennelli 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:00.159 out in the middle of the night to lock up 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:03.080 a hole for me and the guys. He just sits 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:05.680 there until sun up. In his fisherman show up, he 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.520 gently explains why it would be a good idea for 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:13.080 them to fish elsewhere. He's a good kid, and it's 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:16.560 been working out real well. Two weeks ago, during the 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:19.000 first big push of the Kings, I showed up at 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:21.320 the Lower Clay Pool at one pm after a few 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:25.119 deliveries and breakfast with Karen, and there was nobody there, 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:30.440 not one angler. I was like, oh, Jimmy, you sort 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:34.160 a bit. You did it that afternoon it was like 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:36.880 we were the Kings of the River. We landed forty 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:39.720 seven salmon on yarn and pom poms dipped in sauce 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:42.960 before Tommy went home to get his spinner box so 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:48.160 we could start snagging them in the assholes, just for fun. Anyway, 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:51.680 I'll check in with you is next week, and remember, Radiots, 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:55.800 Bait and Tackle is here to serve us seven during 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:59.600 salmon season. If the shop is closed, beat my pager 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.320 and we can arrange a delivery off your tackle needs 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:07.040 to one of our many off site drop locations. I 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:12.360 had no idea that Ray got into the tackle business. 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:16.480 It seems like a really poor choice. You know, the 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:18.960 impression I get it's it's it's one of many businesses 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:22.320 he's into. I think I bumped into him up there 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:24.200 at the river House, but only on the nights when 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:26.040 they got to reveal parm special. You know, he's a 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:28.080 he's a good guy. It's really it's a good d 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:31.400 It's almost enough, almost enough to make me want to 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.360 go there and fish, but not quite. I gotta say, though, dude, 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:37.400 I am I'm genuinely surprised that he was willing to 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:40.520 give us a report. I mean, considering that we ripped 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:42.080 off one of his lines and we use it in 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.640 a segment intro all the time, like we just steal 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:46.520 his stuff. And he's like, it's fine, I'll work with 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:49.320 those guys anyway. But speaking of which, I I do 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:59.719 believe that it is time for that segment. Why it 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:02.839 is that time again for probably my favorite segment that 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.920 we have at Smooth Moves, where we call up guides 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:09.120 and captains and mates and pretty much anybody who is 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:13.040 dependent on taking people fishing to make their living, and 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:15.719 we get them to tell us ridiculous stories about things 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:19.319 the clients have done. And today we are talking with 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:22.800 my good, good friend Steve Daly, who is the only 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:28.400 Tasmanian guiding for trout in Arkansas that I know of. Steve, 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:31.200 what's going on? Man? Well, you'd be right for the 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:36.040 first time, wouldn't he, Buddy, there's the first up for everything. Man. 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:39.200 I'm good, I'm good. It's it's it's nice to hear 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:40.880 your voice. Even though we don't get to hang out 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:43.960 that much anymore, do us a favorite? Man? Tell us 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:45.720 the Smooth Moves you got we're looking forward to this? 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:49.120 What what? What? What's your story? Well, you know I 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:51.000 got in the White River and bus. You guys have 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:55.640 been to our area on our water chasing big fish, 0:09:55.880 --> 0:10:01.120 and probably about the customers we have come in want 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:05.280 a big trophy trout at about the customers can actually 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:08.880 physically and mentally get it done. And and for those 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:10.600 of you who don't know, the White River does grow 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:14.120 freakishly large brown trap. It just does. And there's a 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:16.720 lot of them, but they're incredibly hard to catch too. 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:20.440 Like you need more than just you need a skill set, 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:22.840 you need attitude, you need luck, you need weather, you 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:25.800 need the right guide, and everything's got to come together, 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:28.920 and even then you can dick it up. Okay, so 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:35.079 knows I know that have this customer, Sherman. I'll keep 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:38.960 his very secret. Sherman. Sherman comes to visit and sermon, 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:41.319 can fish right. Serpent's got it all, He's got good 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:44.080 skill set, good guy to hang out in the boat with, 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:47.120 prepared to put in the work. He does it all. 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.760 And we have this trip lined up and the weather 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.559 conditions were looking really honest. He's like, man, I don't 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:55.319 know if I can come and fish in the rain. 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:58.280 I'm like half day, give me a half day. In 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:01.839 the morning, the water looks good, everything is lining up 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:06.960 and we get out there and like everything's just coming together. 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:11.520 It's got that whole gosthic low cloud. You know how 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:14.280 old of the basket bills howling off in the hills. 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:19.400 The water is really greasy, you know that as porters. 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:23.679 Lucky Porter says, it's greasy water and the fish are 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:27.040 biting and he's put ten brown trout in the boat 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:31.640 from and we're doing we're doing a six mile float. 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:36.280 It's on right. We haven't got a big one. Yeah, 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:39.160 I know that's really sick that the fact that isn't 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:41.320 a big fish. We're looking for a two ft and 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:43.040 we came unbuttoned on one and we've got to the 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.600 last bank and we're like four yards in the ramp 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.520 and we know we're coming out. It's like, man, I 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:50.800 think we can get one here. This ledge is just 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:54.959 the ledges just covered tied on one of my flies. 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:58.679 Let's just roll down here and Sherman's are left in 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:01.880 I don't on that bank. He's fishing behind me in 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:05.040 the driftboat and he puts the fly up onto the ledge, 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:08.839 gives it one strip off, and this behaviors just comes up. 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:14.000 And if you it's that pretty pretty eat right, fish 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:18.440 mouth opens inhales. The whole six inch fly, yes, six inches, 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:21.400 just takes the whole thing. It's gone. It looks tiny 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:24.560 going to this more and it sucks into the corner 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:26.480 of the mouse and I'm just like, oh god, it's 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:31.240 it's right. I'm seeing I'm already seeing the front page 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:32.880 of fly Fish in the magazine. It's gonna be on 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:34.480 Flying Fish, it's gonna be on the drake. I'm going 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:37.040 to be I'm going to be holding it to okay 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:40.480 in this vision. But I haven't said anything right because 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:42.640 I know it's all good, and Sherman has been so 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:48.080 good all morning. Right, this is meant to happen. And 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:51.240 you can remember he's sitting here behind me fighting this fish, 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:53.600 and I've looked over my shoulder and this fish has 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:55.680 come back and it's just rolled next to the boat 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.400 and has rolled sideways. So we've seen the forward to 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:02.840 the fish, and I've seen at least a foot of fish. Okay, 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:10.000 so that's like a girl. That's a fifteen pound fish 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:14.320 right next to the boat. Tired, and I reached down, 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:15.880 I grabbed the net and I stood up and I 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:19.600 remember thinking in my head, I'm going to say, Sherman, 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:22.200 next time around, we've got this fish, he's going in 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:28.560 And I heard those fateful words, Steve. What do I do? 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:32.079 What I do? I jerk it in the boat. I'm 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:36.480 trying to process this ship. It's like Jesus, is this 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:43.560 is this like bass fishing stuff is not connecting. And 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:46.400 I watched his leap sorry his right hand is lefty 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.280 right hand for each up on the rod and grabbed 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:52.680 the blank. And at this point I'm like, I'm like, 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:55.960 all I can say is no, no, And he has 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:57.959 he's tried it. And let me tell you, a gentleman, 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.880 I can assure you you can pole jerk. You cannot 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:04.120 pull jerk a fifteen pound fish into a boat on 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:12.320 fifteen bound pairs. Oh no, that was it. And I 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:14.240 didn't even get a caim of away. It's on the 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:21.320 bottom minute it's blow. Oh no, that's that's It was 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:23.640 such a magical story when you were just talking about 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:26.040 to eat, because I was thinking, every big brown I 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:28.320 ever have come after my fly happens when I pile 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:31.160 cast and ships wrapped around my legs. Like it's never 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:33.680 on the perfect cast where he's like he's going to 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:37.720 eat that one. Sometimes the fishing. God's reached down and 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:40.360 put a little light on your forehead and that was 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:43.600 our moment and apparently burned out right at the end 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:46.000 game for this guy. Oh dude, I've spoken it was 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:50.720 numerous psychologists try and figure this ship out. How does 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:56.280 this never happen again? So and I've heard the first 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:58.280 thing I've heard from Sherman because I just can't speak. 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:00.600 I can't even look at the guy right He's broken 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:03.640 off the fish of a lifetime, so I can't look 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:06.520 at him. And I just hear the one word of 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:08.960 fall later and starting with f just ringing off the 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:12.280 heels of the im sacks because he said it, and 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:15.400 then he turned him and he said, this is about 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:17.280 five minutes later. I've got my head out of my 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:21.160 Anti said, Steve shipped my pants, didn't I? I said, 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:28.080 I cannot tell a lie. It was all over So 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:35.840 sad I christ As Dally and his fellow azzies would 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:40.840 say that story was gutting. Gutting, I'm gonna start using 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.800 that word. I wasn't even there and I'm still gutted. 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:47.600 That's one of my favorite Commonwealth phrases. I am gutted. 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:50.480 And just for the record, I've I have known Steve 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.000 Daly for a long time, and I will vouch right 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:55.760 here and now for the fact that he is more 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:59.960 likely to underestimate the size of a fish than overestimated. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.280 So I believe every word. Yeah, I mean, I know 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:05.680 Steve only by reputation. I've never met him, but I've 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:07.680 been hearing about him for years, and I will say 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:10.440 that man just knows how to tell a good fishing 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.680 story and not not everybody can do that. So I 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:16.600 vote for bringing him back on the regular second that, 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:18.920 and there are only two votes here, so I think 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:20.680 he's coming back whether he wants to or not. And 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:24.240 the guy, he's just a storyteller, like period, full stop. Yeah. 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:26.360 I imagine that's part of what makes him a good guy, 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:28.080 because if the fishing sucks, you better be able to 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:30.760 tell a good story. People aren't coming back. I've listened 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:34.560 to that dude tell stories about cricket matches and been 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:38.400 completely enthralled, even though I do not understand a single 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:40.560 thing about the sport of cricket, like nothing at all. 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:44.120 It's like baseball with flat bats and knickers. I think 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:46.920 you have to wear knickers. I don't. I don't really 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:49.160 know dude, I'm not in a much of anything British. 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:53.240 I don't get cricket or rugby, riverkeepers, parliamentary government, why 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:57.880 people think Oasis was so great? Me wrong? But I 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:00.360 do know that our word for this week does have 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:02.640 something to do with the Brits, and I don't want 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:04.639 to steal your thunder, so I'll let Miles take it 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:10.720 from here with the weekly word. Webster's Dictionary defines fish 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:16.160 as this week's word is angling, as in another word 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:19.760 for fishing, as in while angling for halibit, the angler 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:22.879 had an unfortunate encounter with a harbor seal and is 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:26.120 now missing a few digits. Those of us who write 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:30.080 about fishing, like Joe and I, find angling a useful term. 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:33.119 It offers an alternative to fishing or fisherman, which is 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:36.280 nice for a couple of reasons. One, writers get sick 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:39.280 of using the same word over and over again, and 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:44.359 two the term angler's gender neutral, as is fishing, and 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:45.840 as you're about to learn, it has been for a 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:49.359 very long time. But where do we get angling? Is 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:52.840 it actually a synonym for fishing? And would you believe 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:57.120 its origin is entwined with the beginnings of the English language. 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:59.920 To answer that, I have to go back a very 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:03.320 long way, like the fifth century way, back to the 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:07.159 Anglo Saxons, you know, the Germanic people's who colonized the 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:10.520 British Isles after the Fall of Rome and invented English. 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:14.400 This language I'm speaking right now. Well, the Anglo part 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:18.600 of their name comes from the Angles tribe, whose original homeland, 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:22.560 which they called a was a peninsula in Denmark with 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:26.720 a vague hook shape to it if you really squint hard. 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:30.960 The Angles were fishing people, and they carried their language 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:34.880 and culture with them when they migrated west. Quick recap. 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:39.000 English comes from the root Anglo, which got its name 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:42.359 from the tribe Angles, who were named for a fish hook. So, 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:46.840 in a weird way, are very language is rooted in fishing. 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:50.720 By the time English became an actual language several hundred 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:55.200 years later, the word angle referred to any curved object 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:58.040 that could be used to hook a fish. The earliest 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:02.439 known written work about fishing, titled Treatise on Fishing with 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:06.680 an Angle, published in four is often attributed to a 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:11.920 badass hunting and fishing nun, Dame Julianna Burners. The book 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:14.879 details how to make rods lines hooks and lures, and 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:19.000 even delves into concepts of ethics, private land, and conservation. 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:23.400 Some historians disagree about whether Burner's actually penned that work 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:25.800 or if she even existed, but no one has a 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:28.600 better answer, so we're just sticking with the badass nun 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.840 writing the first how to book on fishing. Anyway. My 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:36.399 point is in that title, Treatise on Fishing with an Angle, 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:41.640 the noun angle stands in for fish hook, somewhat confusingly, 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:46.199 In that same book, Burners also uses angle in the 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:49.480 geometric sense. She spends a whole lot of time talking 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:52.639 about the importance of the angle of rod to line 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:56.879 for effectively casting and hooking fish. Though that word choice 0:19:56.920 --> 0:19:59.560 may have muddied her meaning a bit, it also might 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:03.560 have helped transition the noun angle as in fish hook, 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:07.760 into the verb to angle. Over the next couple of centuries, 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:12.040 the language evolved as languages do, and angling became a 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:15.320 well established term. By the time Isaac Walton published his 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:19.800 iconic book The Complete Angler in se angling was just 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:22.400 a common term for fishing, and it stayed that way 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:26.439 ever since. So that pretty much covers where the term 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:29.879 came from, and if you think about it. You can 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:33.560 see that angling and fishing they're not exactly the same thing. 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:37.680 An angler fishes with an angle or hook. A fisherman 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:42.520 just catches fish. Noodling for catfish doesn't count as angling. 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:45.960 Neither does throwing a cast net, flinging a spear, setting 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:49.480 a fish trap, or gathering shellfish. But all of those 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:53.560 are fascinating in skillful ways of trying to capture fish. 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:56.760 What I'm trying to say is, by that definition, I'd 0:20:56.880 --> 0:21:00.080 rather be known as a fisherman than an angler. But 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:01.960 it still doesn't solve the problem of what to call 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:05.480 badass women who are good at all types of fishing. 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:09.840 I'm stuck on this one because I really appreciate specific 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:12.959 and accurate language. I think we need to come up 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:15.320 with a new word that describes all people who like 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:18.400 to pursue fish in all possible ways. But I don't 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:24.280 have it yet. Fishers, fish, people, awqua lungs. I really 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:26.800 don't know, but I want to know what you think. 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:30.159 Let's figure this out together. Maybe we can come up 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:35.600 with a new word and have it catch on. Hey, 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:41.600 what the hell was that man got a little carried away? 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:45.200 That was some rambling Russell Crowe beautiful mind ship. I don't. 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:46.560 I don't know if any part of that was true, 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:50.640 but I respected I guess either way, um, it's weird. 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:53.520 And either way, you spent way too much time researching 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:56.199 the roots of that word. Or you're more creative than 0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:57.919 I thought. It's one or the other. I don't know, 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:01.560 both actually both. I will say though, that I like 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:04.240 the idea of coining a new gender neutral term to 0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:07.360 replace fisherman. If we actually ever pulled that off, we'd 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:09.840 have to report on ourselves for fish News. But that's 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:18.560 not happening this week. Fish News that escalated quickly, So 0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:20.480 welcome to fish News, the part of the show where 0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:23.800 we queue you guys into all kinds of recent fishing 0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:27.639 and fish related happenings out there in the world. For 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:29.639 those of you who have not been following along, this 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:34.040 is a competition, and a serious one at that very serious. 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:36.640 Friendly reminded that Miles and I do not know which 0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:38.879 news stories the other dude is bringing to the table, 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:41.880 and our magical engineer Phil at the end of each 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:44.720 news segment ways in to declare one of us a 0:22:44.800 --> 0:22:47.359 victor and one of us a complete and total loser. 0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:51.720 Last week, that was me so um, maybe I'll maybe 0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:54.960 I'll bring it this week. We'll see. But before we 0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:58.440 actually get to the news, Miles, I do believe you. 0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:00.040 You have a few comments. You want to make a 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:03.639 about some some some tools you have to you have 0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:07.800 tool issues. Based on last episode, well, I may have 0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:11.520 have technically one fish news. Last week. I also kind 0:23:11.520 --> 0:23:14.680 of proved myself to be a loser. So I told 0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:16.720 the story of a musky angler who freed to fish 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:20.160 in Wisconsin from a diving ring using bolt cutters, and 0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:23.120 and in doing so, I made a snide comment wondering, well, 0:23:23.119 --> 0:23:26.000 who carries bolt cutters on their boat? Apparently the answer 0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:30.720 is serious musky anglers. Listener Jeff von Holtam writes Musky 0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:34.000 anglers routinely carry bolt cutters in order to cut hooks 0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:37.439 during a difficult release. Jeff goes on to say, you 0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:40.520 try cutting in eight oh four x strong mustad with 0:23:40.560 --> 0:23:45.040 a side cutter, you will struggle. So thanks for keeping 0:23:45.040 --> 0:23:47.440 me honest there, Jeff, And uh and calling it out 0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:50.159 when I screwed it up. Anytime we screw stuff up, 0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:51.959 we want to hear from and I gotta jump in 0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:54.480 and say that I deserve it to be called out. 0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:57.159 As a dang guest for that one too, because listen, 0:23:57.320 --> 0:23:59.160 people like when you're recording this stuff in the heat 0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:01.040 of the moment, like how many times we get down 0:24:01.080 --> 0:24:03.320 and I'm like, oh, I said some clearly idiotic stuff. 0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:06.840 I've posted videos of people using bolt cutters on muski 0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:10.639 boats to cut musky hooks out of themselves. I freaking 0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:13.480 knew that too, and it was just nowhere in my brain. 0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:16.440 And then I just went to the default make fun 0:24:16.560 --> 0:24:19.680 of of dirty people from Jersey like me. So I 0:24:19.680 --> 0:24:23.000 I failed there too. Um, you know, we all fail sometimes. 0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:25.159 Hopefully I will not fail today, though it is a 0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:27.720 little bit more possible, because the leadoff man in in 0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:30.720 any newsday tends to have a leg up and this 0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:33.080 week that is used, sir, it is it is, And 0:24:33.119 --> 0:24:35.399 hopefully I won't. I won't make an ass of myself 0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:37.720 this week. But we'll see plenty of opportunities for that happen, 0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:41.639 all right. So last week, the Army Corps of Engineers 0:24:41.720 --> 0:24:45.159 announced that they will open a public comment period for 0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:48.639 a fish farming pilot project proposed off the coast of 0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:51.840 Sara Sota, Florida. This comes after the e p A 0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:57.439 issued the Aquaculture developer, ocean Era, a wastewater discharge permit 0:24:57.560 --> 0:25:01.800 for the project on septemb Now, this is not the 0:25:01.880 --> 0:25:05.919 standard inshore net pen fish farm that we're all accustomed to, 0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:10.560 Dubbed the Valela I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing that right, Laila, 0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:14.440 something like that, Leyla Epsilon project. This is the latest 0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:20.080 outgrowth of ocean Eras development of open ocean aquaculture pens. 0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:23.600 For the past decade plus in Hawaii, ocean Era has 0:25:23.640 --> 0:25:28.560 been developing what they call aquapods, large copper alloy mesh 0:25:28.720 --> 0:25:31.959 orbs that can be deployed in the open ocean and 0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:36.080 house several thousand fish. The idea is that this could 0:25:36.119 --> 0:25:40.000 be a sustainable form of fish farming. Because the pens 0:25:40.000 --> 0:25:43.879 are an open ocean, tide and swell activity could theoretically 0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:47.960 disperse waste instead of concentrating it in bays and estuaries, 0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:51.760 which is what happens with traditional aquaculture. And uh, I 0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:54.560 gotta say, the engineering on these things is pretty mind blowing. 0:25:55.040 --> 0:25:56.800 So what they're talking about doing is is they're going 0:25:56.840 --> 0:26:00.240 to drop this pen forty five miles out to see 0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:02.320 in the Gulf of Mexico and leave it there for 0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:05.600 twelve to eighteen months to test it out. It would 0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:10.000 be secured with what they call a multi anchor swivel 0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:13.520 mooring system. The pen would be attached to three different 0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:18.480 three ton drag anchors by two insteel chain in about 0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:21.679 a hundred thirty ft of water. So most of the 0:26:21.720 --> 0:26:24.199 time the pen is just would be floating there on 0:26:24.240 --> 0:26:28.880 the ocean surface, but when a storm approaches, the flotation 0:26:28.920 --> 0:26:32.200 system can be flooded with water so that it sinks 0:26:32.200 --> 0:26:34.800 to the bottom, and the theory here is that the 0:26:34.840 --> 0:26:37.480 pen itself will be safer from wind and waves and 0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:40.080 surge in the middle of a storm. If it's down 0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:43.480 on the bottom, it's below everything. All of this, the 0:26:43.640 --> 0:26:48.040 whole thing is controlled remotely and just requires a one 0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:51.879 single weekly technician visit to refill the fish feeder and 0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:57.119 recharge the generator. Ocean Era claims that their previous tests 0:26:57.160 --> 0:27:01.320 of similar pens and hawii produced out standing fish while 0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:06.440 leaving no significant impact on ocean ecosystems, but local critics 0:27:06.440 --> 0:27:09.080 of this project are not buying it. They argue that 0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:13.320 the area is already struggling with massive red tides exacerbated 0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:16.359 by elevated levels of nitrogen and Phospherson. That's what I 0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:18.120 was thinking about. That part of the world is red 0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:22.359 tide central exactly, and and they're saying like these pens 0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:27.639 could add to the problem. Additionally, like any other aquaculture 0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:30.840 right the fish in these pens could carry infectious disease. 0:27:31.640 --> 0:27:34.840 And so if this kind of untested technology were to 0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:37.440 fail and the fish could escape, they might do harm 0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:41.760 to to local fish populations. As of right now, commercial 0:27:41.840 --> 0:27:46.280 fish farming in federal waters is prohibited. Ocean Era is 0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:49.359 working to secure EPA permits for this test, but for 0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:51.840 right now anyway, they can't go any further than that. 0:27:52.640 --> 0:27:55.959 A federal Court of Appeals held that offshore fish farming 0:27:56.040 --> 0:28:00.119 and federal waters cannot be permitted under current policy. That 0:28:00.200 --> 0:28:03.879 just happened in August, So large scale offshore fish farms 0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:08.159 remain illegal unless Congress passes new legislation. So why is 0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:11.080 ocean Era even bothering with all this research and testing 0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:15.800 if the scaling up of this technology is just not allowed, Well, 0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:19.480 because it might not be illegal for long. Senator Marco Rubio, 0:28:19.960 --> 0:28:24.840 the from Florida recently introduced the Advancing the Quality and 0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:30.200 Understanding of American Aquaculture Act, or the aqua for short. 0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:37.600 That was how many times out some aid in paperwork. 0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:43.640 I already forgot it. I just go BAA. If that passes, 0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:46.400 it would open up offshore federal waters to fish farms. 0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:50.720 And that follows a Trump administration executive order mandating an 0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:54.400 expansion of American aquaculture. All right, So that's a lot. 0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:56.920 I know. I just wanted to step in here at 0:28:56.960 --> 0:28:58.800 the end and say I'm not going to claim that 0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:02.080 this issue is simple, because it's not. We we know 0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:06.160 that current fish farming practices are detrimental to ecosystems and 0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:10.200 wildfish populations. We've seen that happen. We also know that 0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:14.240 global demand for fish and seafood isn't sustainable. We are 0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:18.720 we are literally fishing out the oceans right. So in theory, 0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:23.080 sustainable aquaculture like that offers a potential solution that the 0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:27.600 idea of sustainable aquaculture is is really attractive. If we 0:29:27.600 --> 0:29:29.840 can figure out how to raise fish on an industrial 0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:32.640 scale without destroying habitat, I mean, I'd be all four it. 0:29:32.680 --> 0:29:36.680 That'd be great. But I'm wary of fish farming in 0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:40.120 general because it has a terrible track record. And and 0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:42.240 you know, I gotta say, like I have to clear 0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:46.200 one thing up. I'm talking explicitly about fish, not mollusks 0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:49.120 or bivalves. Oyster farming scenes to be working pretty well, 0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:53.840 but you know, much like sulfide mining near sensitive watersheds, 0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:57.000 this strikes me as the wrong place to test this 0:29:57.080 --> 0:29:59.800 technology out, like you were saying earlier, Joe, like the 0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:02.040 of Mexico, that whole area is already dealing with a 0:30:02.120 --> 0:30:05.520 lot and adding more potential stress to that marine system. 0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:09.960 Just that just it seems really risky. It just does. Yeah, 0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:11.560 So this is one of those deals were on paper, 0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:13.120 it sounds like a good idea, but I mean, I 0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:14.920 have so many questions which you might not have the 0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:17.960 answers to. I mean, first and foremost, like what kind 0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:20.040 of fish are we raising in a in a copper 0:30:20.040 --> 0:30:23.440 bubble forty five miles offshore? So they've done it with 0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:25.160 a few different kinds of fish, the ones that they 0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:28.040 did in Hawaii or are compete it's a it's a 0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:29.520 type of fish that's out there, but the ones that 0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:31.080 they want to do in Florida test this out, or 0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:36.880 Jack's which kind of blewe Yeah, that's that's that classic 0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:40.000 fish that like one in fifty guys is like, oh 0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:44.760 are you talking about them? Kraval is delicious. I wish 0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:48.280 I could remember the exact but yeah, it goes exactly. 0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:51.840 That's exactly what. I actually just caught some almicos here 0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:55.720 in Jersey a couple of weekends ago. How about that? Um? 0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:57.880 I mean, I feel like, you know, when when you're 0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:00.600 talking about farm salmon and things, a lot of times 0:31:00.640 --> 0:31:02.840 you have these farms and places where those fish don't 0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:07.840 naturally exist. Therefore, when something goes wrong, it's it's it's catastrophic, right, 0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:11.880 So I mean, if we're raising a fish that if 0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:15.240 hypothetically all got released forty five miles off shore, wouldn't 0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:19.520 make any difference anyway. I mean, I feel like that's 0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:23.800 that's a little safer in that regard, except for one thing. Right, Yes, 0:31:23.840 --> 0:31:26.040 they're native to that area, but they've been pumped full 0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:28.840 of all kinds of ambiotics and stuff, so them getting 0:31:28.960 --> 0:31:33.200 out could potentially there there could be a problem there. 0:31:33.640 --> 0:31:36.560 It's not like there's no risk. Yeah, and and and 0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:39.520 and for anybody you know this, this is like a 0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:42.240 new idea too. So Hawaii had a version of this, 0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:45.360 And I've only ever fished in southern California one time, 0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:46.960 but I don't want to get off on it. But 0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:49.840 I was so blown away once we got into Mexican waters. 0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:53.240 They weren't in US waters, just these miles of pens 0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:55.479 out in the open ocean, and I'm like, what is that? 0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:58.640 And they're like their tuna pends. They're full of blue 0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:01.400 fin tuna. And that was the first time I ever 0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:05.160 saw any sort of open ocean pen farm whatever you 0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:08.440 want to call it. So it's it's I think the 0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:12.320 the the method here, uh is new, but I mean 0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:16.680 stuff like this to some degree has been done before. Um. 0:32:16.960 --> 0:32:18.600 I will say that if they put it out there, 0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:21.200 I mean, if you're a mahi fisherman, that's your spot. 0:32:21.360 --> 0:32:24.920 I mean, can you just imagine? Can you just imagine? 0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:27.560 I mean, that's the world's biggest what is it called 0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:33.520 a fit fabricated whatever they're they're illegal fat fat fish, Yeah, 0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:38.560 attracting device. So you know, um, I think it's an 0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:42.000 interesting idea. I get what they're saying to about the wastewater. 0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:44.080 That does make sense because a lot of these issues 0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:47.920 stem from the wastewater that that farms produced. So yeah, 0:32:47.960 --> 0:32:50.240 you have the tide naturally flushing out all the fish. 0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:53.120 Ship it's it's I don't, I don't, I don't know, 0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:55.320 man Like, it's it's such a it's such a big 0:32:55.360 --> 0:32:59.040 picture thing. There's no right or wrong right now, there's 0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:02.080 the whole deal and and this like this one pen right, 0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:04.440 you're talking about like a pretty small scale thing. It's 0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:06.240 it's not this, it's not the test that's the issue. 0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:07.760 It's what it opens the door to on a bigger 0:33:07.760 --> 0:33:12.080 scale that's the thing that's potentially an issue. So I mean, 0:33:12.080 --> 0:33:15.040 I recommend everybody was out there who's concerned with this, like, 0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:17.520 do your own research, come to your own conclusions. The 0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:19.800 public comment period is not open yet for the Army 0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:22.560 Corps of Engineers, but it will be soon. And and 0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:24.840 contact them, let them know what you think, give them 0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:27.520 your thoughts, make your voice heard. Uh. And one of 0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:30.600 the things before we move on, Joe, I totally mispronounced 0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:33.160 a Hawaiian word in there, and all my my people 0:33:33.160 --> 0:33:36.880 will hate me is the name of that fish not 0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:40.880 compa Compachi. Okay, you've right it, You've righted your wrong 0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:44.480 this time. I will just tack on that. I feel 0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:46.600 bad for that one loan dude who ask to make 0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:48.920 the forty five mile run there and back. Once a 0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:52.360 week to to feed the fish. That's a terrible job 0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:56.480 since everything else is remote. But anyway, so well, i'll 0:33:56.480 --> 0:34:01.480 transition is here from growing them growing fa to slaughter 0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:04.000 in them in an interesting story here And and I 0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:07.480 feel like we've tried pretty hard to keep the covids 0:34:07.560 --> 0:34:10.239 out of our news because like who like we're all 0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:13.400 hearing it, right, But this one was just too juicy 0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:15.960 for for me to let it go. So this story 0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:21.280 comes to us from sky News headline coronavirus colon half 0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:26.600 a million sharks could be killed for vaccine. Experts warn 0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:29.200 I heard about this. I didn't dig into it, but 0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:30.799 this I heard about this, all right. This is one 0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:32.799 I was legitimately. I was worried that you were going 0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:34.960 to grab because I could see either one of us. 0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:38.920 This is this has to it for scept it sharks. 0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:42.640 So it's pretty you know, it's pretty much jo story. Yeah, 0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:45.880 So from this story, half a million sharks could be 0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:50.160 killed for their natural oil to produce coronavirus vaccines. According 0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:55.400 to Conservationist, one ingredient used in some COVID nineteen vaccine 0:34:55.440 --> 0:35:02.000 candidates is squalling. Squaling squalling, I slip slappy samsonite we'll 0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:04.400 go squaling because I'm gonna say it a million times. 0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:07.120 Uh so whatever, uh And that which is a natural 0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:10.560 oil made in the liver of sharks. British pharmaceutical company 0:35:10.600 --> 0:35:14.960 Glaxo smith Klein currently uses sharks squaling in flu vaccine, 0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:18.840 and the company said it would manufacture a billion doses 0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:23.319 of this adjuvant for potential use in coronavirus vaccines in May. Now, 0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:28.200 according to this story, around three thousand sharks are needed 0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:33.200 to extract one ton of squalling, and Shark Allies, a 0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:36.960 California based group, suggests that if the world's population received 0:35:37.040 --> 0:35:42.000 one dose of a COVID nineteen vaccine containing the liver oil, 0:35:42.120 --> 0:35:45.759 to make that happen, around two hundred and fifty thousand 0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:48.880 sharks would need to be slaughtered, depending on the amount 0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:52.120 of squally used. Now, we're all following the news on COVID, 0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:54.200 how do you not? It's crammed down your throat. And 0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:56.960 what we're here, and at least from a lot of sources, 0:35:57.000 --> 0:35:59.200 is that if and when there is a vaccine, it's 0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:01.120 probably gonna be a double dos er. You know, you 0:36:01.120 --> 0:36:03.520 go back for your booster shot. So this story says 0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:06.400 if two doses are needed to immunize the global population, 0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:09.520 which is likely according to researchers, this would increase the 0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:12.319 shark death to half a million. Sharks would have to 0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:18.919 die to provide enough squalling for all those vaccines. Damn right. 0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:23.040 So um, this goes on to say, to avoid threatening 0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:27.560 shark populations, scientists are testing on alternative to squaling, a 0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:32.960 synthetic version made from fermented sugarcane, which which is cool now. 0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:36.160 According to estimates made by conservationists, around three million sharks 0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:39.040 are killed every year for squalling, which is also used 0:36:39.040 --> 0:36:42.520 apparently in cosmetics and machine oil, and there are fears 0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:44.600 that a sudden rise in demand for the liver oil 0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:48.279 could threaten populations and see more species become endangered, as 0:36:48.320 --> 0:36:52.400 many species rich in squalling, such as the gulper shark, 0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:57.839 are already vulnerable. Um. Sorry, gulper shark, I've never heard 0:36:57.840 --> 0:37:00.239 of you. I had to look that I don't. Then 0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:03.160 it's so. It's a member of the dog fish family. Uh, 0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:06.360 and apparently lives in very deep, murky water all around 0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:09.720 the world. Um, it's got like these weird green eyes. 0:37:09.800 --> 0:37:14.000 Gulp er shark. Never heard now of course? Right. This 0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:17.400 piece is illustrated with stock photos of Great whites and such, 0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:20.279 and I don't think anybody is hunting Great whites down 0:37:20.320 --> 0:37:23.399 for their squaling. But I gotta be totally honest, man, 0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:25.759 this is legitimately news to me. I was not hip 0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:30.960 to the use of any shark byproducts um in vaccines. However, 0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:33.640 I will say that sadly right, I feel like this 0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:37.879 is your classic COVID story that's just simply like not 0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:41.200 likely to make the impact certain people are hoping it will, 0:37:41.400 --> 0:37:43.279 you know, because like we're so beaten over the head 0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:46.440 of COVID numbers and vaccine news and now the President's 0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:49.040 got it and blah blah blah, and you don't have 0:37:49.080 --> 0:37:52.080 the same impact as those buried COVID stories like science 0:37:52.120 --> 0:37:55.520 confirms Yorkshire terriers most common carriers among dogs. You know, 0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:59.200 It's like there's so many bigger picture COVID things going 0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:02.480 around that I just don't know, you know, if this 0:38:02.560 --> 0:38:05.480 is going to have the impact. Um But to throw 0:38:05.520 --> 0:38:07.960 in a little Devil's advocate just to keep it unbiased. 0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:10.799 Unlike the real news, we keep it unbiased. Here. I 0:38:10.880 --> 0:38:13.600 found another story about this on echo watch dot com. 0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:15.920 And here are just a couple of interesting fact toys 0:38:15.920 --> 0:38:18.760 from that one. Squaling has been used in flu vaccine 0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:24.920 since Boston News reported and has a quote excellent safety 0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:27.480 record according to the c d C. And that was 0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:30.840 in the Miami Herald. It could also help reduce the 0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:35.399 amount of vaccine needed per person. Squaling, so you could 0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:38.000 have it can help there. And then in a popular 0:38:38.040 --> 0:38:41.640 online campaign, Shark Allies outlined the non shark alternatives for 0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:45.680 squaling already in existence. Plant based oils can be harvested 0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:49.759 from things like yeast, wheat, germ, sugarcane, and olive oil. Um. 0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:52.040 But the problem with these alternatives is that they are 0:38:52.080 --> 0:38:57.080 about thirty percent more expensive and harder to extract than 0:38:57.160 --> 0:39:02.719 shark based squaling. So if this is all accurate, right, 0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:04.879 this is a This is a dilly of a pickle, now, 0:39:04.920 --> 0:39:08.120 isn't it? Because you and I and everyone a mediator 0:39:08.120 --> 0:39:10.720 and everyone pretty much in the outdoor industry aligns themselves 0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:13.799 with conservation efforts. We've talked on this show before about 0:39:13.800 --> 0:39:16.480 how you and I agree with shark conservation in particular. 0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:21.040 But then, like, given the circumstances, I feel like most 0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:23.319 people's reaction to this story in this country right now 0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:25.480 would be like, hey, if killing a shipload of sharks, 0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:28.520 gets me a safer vaccine faster, and we get through 0:39:28.560 --> 0:39:31.000 this bullshit like just kill them like anything that we'll 0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:34.040 get us back to normalcy right now. So the organizations 0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:37.799 fighting against this and trying to push these synthetics, man, 0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:40.759 you've got a hard fight ahead of you right now, 0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:47.040 you know, especially because exactly exactly, it's not like it's 0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:49.799 not like we're gonna pause this process of developing and 0:39:49.920 --> 0:39:52.760 disseminating a vaccine so that we can have an argument 0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:56.520 about shark populations. Yeah, that's that's that's not gonna happen. 0:39:56.560 --> 0:40:00.239 And I'm not even arguing that it should. I'm in 0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:01.879 the same boat. It's like, on one hand, you want 0:40:01.920 --> 0:40:03.960 to be like, no, this is ridiculous, But on the 0:40:04.000 --> 0:40:07.200 other hand, look like, look what we're dealing with, this 0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:12.120 unprecedented pandemic. And at first, like I said, I I 0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:14.080 didn't even know that that was such a thing. Using 0:40:14.120 --> 0:40:18.520 shark liver oil as an additive to vaccines. Who no, 0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:21.560 I mean, there are all kinds of weird additives in 0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:26.759 vaccines and other injectables and medicines. Right Like, I don't 0:40:26.760 --> 0:40:28.239 want to go to too far around the rabbit hole, 0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:32.080 but the you know, the harvesting of of horseshoe crabs 0:40:32.320 --> 0:40:35.279 in order to produce basically every single fact, and damn 0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:37.520 near wiped him out. In certain places, we don't see 0:40:37.560 --> 0:40:39.120 horseshoes on the beach like we did when I was 0:40:39.160 --> 0:40:42.080 a kid. That's a good point. Yeah, so you know 0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:45.279 it's there. There's a long standing precedent for this, and 0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:49.200 unfortunately they're there are two forces that are just going 0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:52.000 to be stronger or maybe fortunately, I don't know. There 0:40:52.000 --> 0:40:54.080 are two forces are going to ultimately outweigh anything that 0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:56.640 has to do with shar shark conservation. One is public 0:40:56.680 --> 0:41:00.239 health and to our market forces. Right, if it's if 0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:03.400 it's cheaper and more effective to take it from the sharks, 0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:07.719 that's where it's gonna come from. So hopefully they keep 0:41:07.760 --> 0:41:11.279 it to the golfer sharks. Sorry golper SLOs, but you know, 0:41:11.719 --> 0:41:14.440 at least it's not makos or black tips on the flats, 0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:17.200 at least not yet. So if we can get if 0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:19.440 we can get through this with the golfer sharks, all 0:41:19.440 --> 0:41:22.160 the other sharks will be okay, my minus the shark 0:41:22.200 --> 0:41:30.200 finning and all that stuff, you know, for the next 0:41:30.200 --> 0:41:32.560 story I've got I'm I'm working through a little self 0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:35.840 loathing over over the second story I chose in general, 0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:39.279 bring it on good and and it is a far 0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:45.480 cry from from net pens or or shark killing or coronavirus. Anyway, 0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:47.680 my next story it's a far cry from being worthy 0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:50.080 of being in news. But well, and this was so 0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:53.080 like to call what I'm about to report on news 0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:57.200 really is stretching the bounds of anything remotely journalistic. But 0:41:57.280 --> 0:42:01.200 screw it, here goes. So you know that old axiom 0:42:01.280 --> 0:42:03.360 if you give a room full of monkeys typewriters in 0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:06.200 an infinite quantity of time, they would eventually produce the 0:42:06.239 --> 0:42:09.799 works of Shakespeare. Have you heard that? I have? So 0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:12.400 this story is kind of like that, except instead of 0:42:12.440 --> 0:42:15.880 monkeys with typewriters, there their fish in a tank, and 0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:18.600 instead of the words of Shakespeare, it's a terrible video game. 0:42:19.600 --> 0:42:23.360 A gamer in Japan who goes by the handle mutak 0:42:23.520 --> 0:42:29.359 Madu his pet beta fish that's so smooth, like perfect, dude. 0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:31.600 I took Japanese lessons as a kid, Come on, did 0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:34.319 you really as part of the curriculum? And yeah, grew 0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:37.880 up in Hawaii. Lots of Japanese, lots of other other languages, 0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:40.720 we had to speak. Uh anyway, So so this mutak 0:42:40.840 --> 0:42:44.160 Madu guy taught his pet beta fish how to play 0:42:44.200 --> 0:42:50.040 the video game Pokemon Sapphire. Kind of now, yeah, now 0:42:50.040 --> 0:42:53.200 these gamers like this. He did this as a stunt 0:42:53.200 --> 0:42:56.120 to attract people to his channel, which worked, but it 0:42:56.360 --> 0:43:00.320 produced some unintended results that are actually kind of interesting, 0:43:00.440 --> 0:43:03.080 at least to me anyway. So we take him out 0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:07.040 to gritted out his fish tank, and through a mechanism 0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:09.759 that I truly don't understand, he somehow connected it to 0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:14.240 his game Boy advance. When his two fighting fish named 0:43:14.520 --> 0:43:17.479 Maurice and Lala entered a certain part of the tank, 0:43:17.560 --> 0:43:21.200 they tripped a button on his game Boy, thereby allowing 0:43:21.239 --> 0:43:26.960 the fish to play the game and uh. The first 0:43:27.040 --> 0:43:30.640 interesting result of this experiment was proving that Pokemon Sapphire 0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:34.160 does not require any intellect at all. In fact, apparently 0:43:34.480 --> 0:43:37.440 one doesn't even need basic sentience because the fish were 0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:40.480 able to advance pretty far in the game. The second 0:43:40.520 --> 0:43:44.560 interesting result, however, is that these fish found a bug 0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:48.360 or a glitch in the coding that no one else 0:43:49.080 --> 0:43:51.960 has been able to find in the eighteen years that 0:43:52.000 --> 0:43:57.279 this game has existed. So this jumped out at me 0:43:58.200 --> 0:44:02.480 because my dad was a video game designer. And when 0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:05.480 I was yeah, really, dude, your dad's a video game designer. 0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:08.279 You speak jap. I'm learning so much about so many things, 0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:11.040 but I don't speak. I took some lessons when I 0:44:11.040 --> 0:44:15.080 was in elementary school. Maybe count to ten um. But yeah, 0:44:15.200 --> 0:44:17.319 when I was a kid, my friends and I were 0:44:17.400 --> 0:44:20.440 conscripted as beta testers. And basically what that means that 0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:23.640 we sat around for hours playing early versions of video games, 0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:26.719 looking for bugs or situations where the games didn't work 0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:29.440 like they were supposed to. This may sound like fun, 0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:32.560 but I was never very interested in video games, and 0:44:32.600 --> 0:44:35.359 I was never very good at them at all. So 0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:38.479 you know, like some kids disappoint their fathers because they're 0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:40.440 two into video games and too good at them, and 0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:42.960 I was the exact opposite. And it was so funny. 0:44:43.000 --> 0:44:45.960 Do I gotta cut in for one second? Because like 0:44:46.120 --> 0:44:49.600 every video game system I had growing up, my dad 0:44:49.640 --> 0:44:54.040 bought like for himself. Like, I played them a little bit, 0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:57.680 but I was never enthralled. I play my original Nintendo 0:44:57.760 --> 0:45:00.279 more now than I did when I got it. Like 0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:03.319 my dad beat Resident Evil in three days, you know 0:45:03.320 --> 0:45:06.360 what I mean? Anyway, we no I mean, like literally, 0:45:06.360 --> 0:45:08.520 when I was a kid, there'd be situations where my 0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:10.080 dad would be like, hey, son, you want to go 0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:12.680 play some video games and be like, no, not really, 0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:18.000 you play side He's like not really. Anyway, My point 0:45:18.120 --> 0:45:20.080 back to what I was talking about there are My 0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:24.279 point is that thousands and thousands of hours go into 0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:27.400 beta testing video games before they even go to market. 0:45:28.120 --> 0:45:31.319 This game was released way back in two thousand two, 0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:34.440 so in addition to that, god knows how many hours 0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:37.719 of actual like gameplay time it had, and yet no 0:45:37.760 --> 0:45:42.520 one found this game crashing bug until Maurice and La 0:45:42.600 --> 0:45:46.680 La the Fighting Fish got a crack at it. I guess. 0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:49.560 I guess that's why they called them them beta fish, right, 0:45:49.600 --> 0:45:57.879 because they're so good at the beta testing bump. Dang uh. Well, 0:45:58.040 --> 0:46:01.920 so the first question I have, um, what is the 0:46:01.920 --> 0:46:04.320 COVID status in Japan? Has this poor man been in 0:46:04.440 --> 0:46:09.560 quarantine in his apartment in Japan since December? Because I 0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:13.640 mean I didn't look into that aspect of this. I 0:46:13.719 --> 0:46:15.759 just saw something pop up online the other day that 0:46:15.920 --> 0:46:20.040 was like, thirteen year old figures out nuclear fission or 0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:22.360 cold fusion in his garage. It's like, dude, if you 0:46:22.400 --> 0:46:24.880 have this much time to train beta fish to play 0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:29.840 Pokemon Cure cancer. Man. There's created, there's no trade, just 0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:33.000 like create a little grid system in their tank and 0:46:33.000 --> 0:46:35.520 when they swam in that area, it would push buttons 0:46:36.000 --> 0:46:37.680 and that would make the gameplay. It was. It was 0:46:37.680 --> 0:46:40.000 a total gimmick. And he this is again, that's why 0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:43.319 I used the monkeys with typewriters, making Shakespeare think, because 0:46:43.640 --> 0:46:46.480 give the fish enough time pushing random buttons and things happen. 0:46:47.719 --> 0:46:50.640 It's dude. It is funny though, because this man taught 0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:53.880 to fighting fish how to play a video game. And 0:46:53.920 --> 0:46:56.000 I'm in the basement now with a five year old 0:46:56.120 --> 0:46:59.120 like trying to explain why she's not killing the ducks 0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:01.719 and duck Hunt. I'm like, you have to look, you 0:47:01.800 --> 0:47:03.920 have to put that little thing on the tip of 0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:07.279 the gun on the duck. Don't just fire wild like 0:47:07.360 --> 0:47:10.160 I can't. I can't get my kid to consistently shoot 0:47:10.239 --> 0:47:13.240 ducks and duck Hunt. But this man has taught fish 0:47:13.480 --> 0:47:15.600 how to play a much more advanced game than duck Hunt. 0:47:16.440 --> 0:47:20.960 It sounds like that, yes, yes, oh well he has 0:47:21.000 --> 0:47:23.960 a lot of nothing to do. I will say that's 0:47:24.000 --> 0:47:27.399 that's he needs some other hobbies. Um, there's some great 0:47:27.400 --> 0:47:31.280 fishing in Japan. Can I can I suggest, well, record 0:47:31.320 --> 0:47:35.400 large mouth came out of there, But put your mask on, 0:47:35.560 --> 0:47:38.000 grab grab a leather swim bait and go down there 0:47:38.120 --> 0:47:42.000 and see what happens. Teat yourself to catch those. Uh, 0:47:42.040 --> 0:47:44.480 this man deserves a metal. I don't have one for him. 0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:47.719 But how about a pin? Okay, here comes my ridiculous 0:47:47.760 --> 0:47:49.920 be comes my ridiculous story. This is a goofy one. 0:47:50.360 --> 0:47:52.200 And I actually I debated it, but I just had 0:47:52.200 --> 0:47:55.920 to because I just laughed very hard. Um. And before 0:47:55.960 --> 0:47:58.600 I get into this story, a couple of things. So 0:47:59.120 --> 0:48:00.759 back in the day, and by back in the day, 0:48:00.760 --> 0:48:02.759 I mean like the fifties and sixties and such, some 0:48:02.840 --> 0:48:04.960 of you might be aware that many states used to 0:48:05.080 --> 0:48:07.960 issue a button as a fishing license. You know what 0:48:08.000 --> 0:48:10.680 I'm talking about, right, Like they're they're collector's items now, 0:48:10.719 --> 0:48:13.239 Like if you get antique stores and flea markets see 0:48:13.239 --> 0:48:17.279 all these old pins, you know, ohio, um, and you 0:48:17.320 --> 0:48:20.200 know they're super collectible. But instead of a paper license, 0:48:20.200 --> 0:48:23.240 you'd get a sweet button to put on your fishing vest. Well, 0:48:23.440 --> 0:48:27.640 the state of Pennsylvania's still offers buttons. Of course, these 0:48:27.719 --> 0:48:30.399 days it's just a novelty. Um. You know, most people 0:48:30.520 --> 0:48:32.440 are just go with the paper license, but if you 0:48:32.440 --> 0:48:34.440 want to pony up an extra ten bucks, you can 0:48:34.480 --> 0:48:38.200 still get a collectible fishing license button. So there's that now. 0:48:38.280 --> 0:48:41.160 The next thing. I love chain Pikeroll. I am all 0:48:41.200 --> 0:48:44.880 about the littlest member of the Esox family, and I 0:48:44.920 --> 0:48:47.320 have sung their praises for years and videos and written 0:48:47.320 --> 0:48:50.360 works and so forth, and I target them often. But 0:48:50.440 --> 0:48:52.200 for the most part, I think it's fair to say 0:48:52.280 --> 0:48:55.320 people find pickroll to just be a nuisance, right, especially 0:48:55.360 --> 0:48:58.760 bass guys, because chain Pickerell clip that wacky rig sinko 0:48:58.880 --> 0:49:00.759 off real quick right there, pain in the as. But 0:49:00.760 --> 0:49:04.319 to me, they are under appreciated underdogs. So imagine the 0:49:04.360 --> 0:49:06.880 twinge of the light I got when reading this headline 0:49:06.920 --> 0:49:10.000 on the website of Chester County p A my Chess 0:49:10.040 --> 0:49:14.320 code dot com. Voters select chain Pickerel design for pennsylvanias 0:49:15.160 --> 0:49:20.560 one collectible license button no way, And I thought, finally, finally, 0:49:20.920 --> 0:49:24.759 the lowly chain Pickerel is getting some respect, And I thought, 0:49:24.840 --> 0:49:27.479 geez a vote. There was a vote, which means enough 0:49:27.520 --> 0:49:30.759 people respect the chain Pickerel and p A that it's 0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:33.920 legions of fans trumped all the other options. How terrific, 0:49:34.080 --> 0:49:37.279 And here's what the story said. During an online poll 0:49:37.760 --> 0:49:42.600 held from September sevent a total of four and fifty 0:49:42.680 --> 0:49:46.280 three voters cast their ballots to choose between four different options. 0:49:46.600 --> 0:49:49.479 The fish skin design featuring the scales of a chain 0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:54.280 pickrel was the runaway winner, earning six hundred and seventy 0:49:54.360 --> 0:49:59.520 six votes, nearly fifty Good for you. That's isn't that terrific? 0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:02.600 And that's like if we had one out here, the 0:50:02.640 --> 0:50:05.239 equivalent would be if someone put the white fish on 0:50:05.320 --> 0:50:07.560 it instead of a trout. And I would be very 0:50:07.600 --> 0:50:10.840 happy if that were to happen. But wait, just because 0:50:10.960 --> 0:50:13.120 I was so proud right at that point in the story, 0:50:13.120 --> 0:50:15.600 I was so proud, and then I I read on 0:50:15.800 --> 0:50:19.880 and says A single color conservation green option was the 0:50:19.920 --> 0:50:25.799 second most popular choice votes. A classic red and white 0:50:25.880 --> 0:50:31.040 bobber design placed third with two. A design featuring a 0:50:31.160 --> 0:50:35.960 life jacket rounded out the field, collecting two votes. So 0:50:36.080 --> 0:50:38.720 to rehash that, the measly amount of people that voted 0:50:39.120 --> 0:50:44.359 had pickerel skin, green bobber, and life jacket to pick from, 0:50:45.360 --> 0:50:50.359 which means nearly of the barely voters went well, shit, 0:50:51.080 --> 0:50:54.360 at least that one's a fish. I'll go with the fish. 0:50:54.520 --> 0:50:56.640 You could have put it like the dull gray sides 0:50:56.680 --> 0:50:59.080 of a bow fin as an option, and it would 0:50:59.080 --> 0:51:01.160 have beat out life jacket. I mean, nobody wants to 0:51:01.200 --> 0:51:04.080 wear a life jacket, let alone sport a piece of 0:51:04.200 --> 0:51:07.680 flare with a life jacket. Look at life jacket button 0:51:07.680 --> 0:51:10.239 that I've got on my life jacket, and I just 0:51:10.440 --> 0:51:12.600 I thought that was comical. On the flip side, though, 0:51:12.960 --> 0:51:14.759 you know, at some point there's a discussion at p 0:51:14.880 --> 0:51:17.759 A Fish and Wildlife about pin options for that year, 0:51:17.880 --> 0:51:20.440 and and the boss is always like Brooker Brown Trout, 0:51:20.960 --> 0:51:23.840 you know, but there's a one dude like me, the intern, 0:51:23.880 --> 0:51:25.920 that's like, how about a Pickerel? And finally this year 0:51:25.960 --> 0:51:28.399 they were like, Timmy in the mail room has been 0:51:28.400 --> 0:51:31.160 saying pickerel for eight years now, can we just give 0:51:31.200 --> 0:51:35.520 it to it? I'm exactly But anyway, I'm so sorry 0:51:35.560 --> 0:51:38.360 to get you all excited, Chain Pickerell, but it turns 0:51:38.360 --> 0:51:41.919 out Pennsylvanians still don't really like you. Uh. The only 0:51:41.960 --> 0:51:44.520 reason you want is because you're an actual fish. I 0:51:44.640 --> 0:51:47.120 might have to buy the button just because will you 0:51:47.160 --> 0:51:50.000 buy me one too? And and you know what, if 0:51:50.000 --> 0:51:53.160 you're smart, you will also buy one fulfill the engineer, 0:51:53.280 --> 0:51:57.759 because he is the decider as to who will be 0:51:58.120 --> 0:52:01.160 the grand Champion winner this week. And as soon as 0:52:01.160 --> 0:52:05.480 Phil has has issued his his validation and his vanquishing, 0:52:06.040 --> 0:52:08.640 we will then move on to see what kind of 0:52:08.680 --> 0:52:12.120 tasty items we have found this week in the sale band. 0:52:12.280 --> 0:52:13.680 And I think we're going to take a dip in 0:52:13.719 --> 0:52:22.440 the sheer stupidity that we are. Joseph Mellie is the 0:52:22.440 --> 0:52:27.719 winner this week. Look, I surprised even myself. Normally I 0:52:27.760 --> 0:52:31.720 would gladly take a Pokemon story over a COVID story, 0:52:32.120 --> 0:52:34.960 but those shark vaccines are just too interesting to ignore. 0:52:35.600 --> 0:52:38.719 But don't worry, Miles, You're still the very best, like 0:52:38.800 --> 0:52:47.319 no one ever was. Why did you put the hand 0:52:47.400 --> 0:52:49.080 to pay? You don't know what I'm getting? Man? What 0:52:49.200 --> 0:52:53.160 you didn't have to be so hurtful with me, so angry? Okay? 0:52:53.200 --> 0:52:56.960 So to preface this item, which I found on offer up, 0:52:57.440 --> 0:53:00.960 it's a little complex, okay, but that's it. It might 0:53:01.040 --> 0:53:05.960 be the most fabulously stupid attempt at shady private online 0:53:06.000 --> 0:53:10.160 goods dealing I have ever seen. Right, So, the seller 0:53:10.719 --> 0:53:14.080 is located in Barrie, Texas, which is the middle of nowhere. 0:53:14.360 --> 0:53:17.279 And remember that because it's gonna make this funnier when 0:53:17.280 --> 0:53:19.200 when we get into the meat of what we're dealing 0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:20.960 with here, right, and I feel like I feel like 0:53:21.000 --> 0:53:22.560 I got a prevace before you dive in too much, 0:53:22.640 --> 0:53:25.080 Joe by saying that when you first brought this to me, 0:53:25.239 --> 0:53:28.200 I was totally confused and I didn't get it. So 0:53:28.680 --> 0:53:32.160 but now that I do get it, it's pretty ridiculous 0:53:32.200 --> 0:53:34.400 and it's pretty damn funny, and I cannot believe that 0:53:34.400 --> 0:53:36.919 this guy is trying to pull this off. Well, that's 0:53:36.920 --> 0:53:39.319 what makes this complex, because to just look at it 0:53:39.400 --> 0:53:41.800 face value, like if you if you're not if you 0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:44.640 don't have the inside track on this, you probably skip 0:53:44.760 --> 0:53:49.040 right over it. But but once we we divulge the crazy, right, 0:53:49.080 --> 0:53:51.800 you guys will understand. So the title of the post 0:53:52.400 --> 0:53:57.759 is lose fly reel. That's it, okay, and lose l 0:53:57.920 --> 0:54:03.160 e w apostrophees not oh so leeah lose As many 0:54:03.200 --> 0:54:06.200 of you know, uh, they are long time makers of 0:54:06.239 --> 0:54:09.160 conventional bass rods and reels, but they do not make 0:54:09.280 --> 0:54:12.840 fly reels. So I will do my best to explain 0:54:12.880 --> 0:54:17.080 this idiocy Okay, picture of fly reel loaded with line, 0:54:17.600 --> 0:54:21.600 but the real has no middle. There's nothing, nothing in 0:54:21.640 --> 0:54:24.280 the middle, so it essentially looks like a giant ball 0:54:24.320 --> 0:54:28.120 bearing with a real foot. Okay, there's there's nothing in 0:54:28.120 --> 0:54:30.720 the center. There's no drag nob, none of the usual 0:54:30.760 --> 0:54:34.120 support structure that tie a normal fly reel together. Um, 0:54:34.160 --> 0:54:37.480 and this struck me as odd. Even more so when 0:54:37.520 --> 0:54:42.000 I read this very short and sweet description brand new 0:54:42.640 --> 0:54:49.880 never used not cheap, will trade for a lose bait caster. So, 0:54:49.920 --> 0:54:52.560 in a very cryptic way, the title of the post 0:54:52.680 --> 0:54:57.239 is actually saying, will trade lose bait caster for this 0:54:57.360 --> 0:55:01.120 fly reel. Okay. So I'm looking at all the pictures 0:55:01.120 --> 0:55:03.080 trying to figure out what's going on here because something 0:55:03.200 --> 0:55:06.040 is not right. And then it hit me right. I 0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:08.960 do not use chewing tobacco, but a good friend of 0:55:09.000 --> 0:55:11.080 mine does, and a few years ago he presented me 0:55:11.160 --> 0:55:14.480 with a special edition tin of Grizzly long Cut. Now 0:55:14.520 --> 0:55:16.880 why did he do this? Because he knows I love 0:55:16.960 --> 0:55:19.680 fly fishing. And there is a very pretty trout on 0:55:19.719 --> 0:55:23.120 the actual tin, and that tin is nestled right in 0:55:23.160 --> 0:55:31.719 the center of a fake, non functional, decorative fly reel. Okay, 0:55:31.760 --> 0:55:34.440 So I raised to my closet to dig this this 0:55:34.520 --> 0:55:37.160 tin out to confirm my suspicion, and I was right 0:55:37.200 --> 0:55:40.279 on the money. You pop the tin of actual dip 0:55:40.400 --> 0:55:43.239 out of the fly reel and are left with what 0:55:43.320 --> 0:55:46.600 this momo is trying to trade for a lose bait caster. 0:55:47.480 --> 0:55:50.600 Uh On some level you gotta respect that hustle. I 0:55:50.640 --> 0:55:54.080 mean it's it's terrible. But no, there's there's hustle, and 0:55:54.120 --> 0:55:57.600 then there's like scam artists, and this is pure and simple. 0:55:57.960 --> 0:56:00.960 This is my best guess right, I will never know. 0:56:01.400 --> 0:56:04.800 Uh So back up, I reached out to the gentleman 0:56:05.000 --> 0:56:08.799 with a simple question what brand of fly reel is that? 0:56:09.640 --> 0:56:13.239 And oddly got no answer that never got back to me, 0:56:17.920 --> 0:56:20.520 which seems appropriate because if you buy this, you're gonna 0:56:20.560 --> 0:56:26.719 lose banger love that. This is my guess right. He 0:56:26.760 --> 0:56:30.200 needed a fresh tint of dip, and the one gas 0:56:30.200 --> 0:56:33.640 station in Barry, Texas was out of his regular grizzly 0:56:33.640 --> 0:56:36.840 long cut, which forced him to buy his favorite shawl 0:56:36.880 --> 0:56:41.000 in this commemorative fly fishing tin, So he choose the 0:56:41.040 --> 0:56:45.120 dip while bass Fishing realizes the tolerance in his Johnny 0:56:45.120 --> 0:56:47.759 Morris signature series Bait caster aren't as tight as they 0:56:47.840 --> 0:56:51.200 used to be, looks down at the now empty, useless 0:56:51.200 --> 0:56:57.319 fake fly fishing cradle and has his Aha moment. But 0:56:57.400 --> 0:57:00.520 do you think about this or hold on? Maybe I'm 0:57:00.520 --> 0:57:03.040 just being the least cynical. Maybe I've just given this 0:57:03.080 --> 0:57:05.879 guy's benefit of the doubt and I'm wrong. But maybe 0:57:05.960 --> 0:57:08.720 he knows so little about fly fishing or fly fishing reels. 0:57:08.719 --> 0:57:10.200 He was like, huh, so this is what a fly 0:57:10.280 --> 0:57:14.200 fishing real does. Huh, don't turn it. There's no function. 0:57:14.320 --> 0:57:17.440 It doesn't turn. It's got fake line on it. What 0:57:17.480 --> 0:57:19.840 do you do with that? Yeah? You're I know, I know, 0:57:20.560 --> 0:57:23.200 trying to give the benefit the data. I shouldn't. Here's 0:57:23.240 --> 0:57:25.560 the part that I want to know, right, what if 0:57:25.600 --> 0:57:28.840 somebody had actually bit on this, Like what if somebody 0:57:28.880 --> 0:57:30.840 was like, hey man, I gotta lose laying around and 0:57:30.880 --> 0:57:33.480 that's a real sweet looking fly real what would this 0:57:33.560 --> 0:57:36.600 dude have done, grabbed debait caster and ran like hell, 0:57:38.240 --> 0:57:40.920 how would the transaction have gone down? Yeah, that's a 0:57:40.960 --> 0:57:43.000 good question. How are you gonna how are you going 0:57:43.080 --> 0:57:45.640 to do that? I don't know, because as soon as 0:57:45.640 --> 0:57:48.280 you you've actually held one in your hands, you own one. 0:57:48.640 --> 0:57:50.400 So you know better than I do. I've just looked 0:57:50.400 --> 0:57:53.320 at the photos. It's real hard to tell. But you're saying, 0:57:53.320 --> 0:57:54.800 as soon as I picked this up, I would go, 0:57:54.960 --> 0:57:59.000 but it's it's it's it's nothing. It's hollow aluminum. It's 0:57:59.040 --> 0:58:01.880 not it's it's it may as well be a paperweight. 0:58:02.000 --> 0:58:04.360 I mean, it says zero function. It's not a real 0:58:04.880 --> 0:58:07.760 it's a it's a freaking dip tin. And it's not 0:58:07.800 --> 0:58:12.360 even the tin, it's like the housing of the tin. Right. 0:58:13.000 --> 0:58:15.000 So to that end, because we know this one is 0:58:15.000 --> 0:58:17.200 a little bit more complicated and some of you might 0:58:17.240 --> 0:58:20.400 want a better understanding. Um, we put together a little 0:58:20.440 --> 0:58:23.480 product demo and we're posting that on me and Miles 0:58:23.480 --> 0:58:26.680 Instagram pages. So that's at Joe dot Smellie one three 0:58:26.720 --> 0:58:30.240 eight and at water Miles. Um, and we may or 0:58:30.280 --> 0:58:33.360 may shred this dipshit a little harder and said product video, 0:58:33.480 --> 0:58:36.840 So check that out. Okay, this may not be the 0:58:36.880 --> 0:58:39.040 only time that we post photos to our our our 0:58:39.120 --> 0:58:41.720 Instagram accounts to try and back these up, because sometimes 0:58:42.040 --> 0:58:44.200 you need a little visual help. Yea, So it's a 0:58:44.200 --> 0:58:48.720 little visual be ready for that, yes, and UH, as always, 0:58:48.800 --> 0:58:51.280 if you find something fishing related for sale online that 0:58:51.360 --> 0:58:54.080 you think we need to see to believe. Do keep 0:58:54.080 --> 0:58:56.640 shooting those links to us at bent at the meat 0:58:56.640 --> 0:58:58.919 eater dot com. We've been getting a bunch of great 0:58:58.960 --> 0:59:04.360 items from you guys. Keep them coming, thank you. We 0:59:04.400 --> 0:59:07.680 are almost out of time, but before we go, Joe 0:59:07.760 --> 0:59:09.960 has an end of the line segment that was like, 0:59:10.120 --> 0:59:15.120 honestly legitimately eye opening for me. No, seriously, man, Like 0:59:15.160 --> 0:59:17.720 I've I have long been familiar with with that lure, 0:59:17.920 --> 0:59:20.240 the one you're about telling about, but I had I 0:59:20.280 --> 0:59:24.080 had no idea about its right coast not so called following. 0:59:25.000 --> 0:59:26.520 I'm not gonna say aything else because I want to 0:59:26.600 --> 0:59:28.560 let you tell it. But you know, for those of 0:59:28.560 --> 0:59:30.760 you out there who are keyed into the East coast 0:59:30.760 --> 0:59:33.280 striper scene, this wi will probably come as no surprise. 0:59:33.400 --> 0:59:36.800 But for those who rarely fish east of the Mississippi, 0:59:37.600 --> 0:59:40.440 you guys, might you know, actually learn something from this 0:59:40.480 --> 0:59:51.160 podcast for once. Well, that's not loud enough. The musky 0:59:51.240 --> 0:59:55.240 Mania doc might just be the worst kept secret in 0:59:55.440 --> 0:59:58.280 striper fishing. But the funny thing is, to the uninitiated, 0:59:58.840 --> 1:00:01.680 nothing about it would suggest it has any sort of 1:00:01.720 --> 1:00:06.520 magical abilities. To the untrained eye, It's just an oversized spook, 1:00:07.120 --> 1:00:10.000 a massive version of the dog walkers that have been 1:00:10.000 --> 1:00:12.959 calling up green and brown bass the world over since 1:00:12.960 --> 1:00:15.680 Hank Parker was a boy. In fact, the nine inch 1:00:15.800 --> 1:00:19.480 dock looks downright goofy, and viewed from the underside, the 1:00:19.600 --> 1:00:22.560 slightly flared gills make it a dead ringer for a 1:00:22.600 --> 1:00:26.520 massive male member standing at full attention, which has prompted 1:00:26.520 --> 1:00:29.080 countless nicknames for the plug I need not get into, 1:00:29.440 --> 1:00:31.400 and endless jokes when you pull one out of your 1:00:31.440 --> 1:00:35.920 tackle bag. The joke, however, is on the nonbelievers. Unlike 1:00:35.920 --> 1:00:38.760 its little cousins that have internal bbes or perhaps a 1:00:38.760 --> 1:00:41.760 few little knockerballs, the doc has a setimental balls that 1:00:41.800 --> 1:00:44.760 would make a C d C blush. It produces a 1:00:44.880 --> 1:00:47.600 clack like no other top order, which is a key 1:00:47.640 --> 1:00:50.959 element to the dock's ability to call stripers, particularly big 1:00:51.000 --> 1:00:54.440 girls that chow whole adult bunker out of what you 1:00:54.640 --> 1:00:59.680 swear is a completely dead ocean. Legendary muskie angler Pete 1:00:59.680 --> 1:01:02.480 Man is the mastermind behind the dock, and while there 1:01:02.480 --> 1:01:06.240 has always been some crossover appeal between striper guys and 1:01:06.320 --> 1:01:09.800 musky dudes, when it comes to loures, without question, no 1:01:10.000 --> 1:01:13.720 musky lore has infiltrated the stripers scene this deeply since 1:01:13.760 --> 1:01:17.240 surfcasters in the nineteen forties and fifties latched onto the 1:01:17.280 --> 1:01:20.840 creek Chubb Pikey minnow Now. Details about who figured out 1:01:20.840 --> 1:01:23.680 the secret first are hazy and debated, but the dock 1:01:23.800 --> 1:01:26.680 first hit the striper scene in the early two thousands. 1:01:26.720 --> 1:01:29.600 What those early pioneers also figured out is that the 1:01:29.800 --> 1:01:35.200 money is the unpainted natural bone colored blank. Even though 1:01:35.200 --> 1:01:38.000 the dock is available in ten colors. I've never seen 1:01:38.080 --> 1:01:41.920 a Northeast salty guy hucking anything but the bone. And 1:01:42.000 --> 1:01:44.680 what Northeast anglers also learned in short order is that 1:01:44.720 --> 1:01:47.400 the split rings and bronze hooks that come stock on 1:01:47.440 --> 1:01:49.960 a dock we're pretty worthless in the brine, which has 1:01:50.000 --> 1:01:53.560 sparked years of debate, videos and articles on the best 1:01:53.640 --> 1:01:58.000 terminal tackle hooks and configuration for retrofitting these lures. Now, 1:01:58.000 --> 1:01:59.960 why you'd be hard pressed to find a striper guy 1:02:00.040 --> 1:02:02.160 around here that won't tell you the doc is deadly. 1:02:02.560 --> 1:02:04.800 They'll also I'll tell you the lore is a complete 1:02:04.800 --> 1:02:08.040 pain in the ass to fish. The most notable problem 1:02:08.120 --> 1:02:10.440 is that the hooks are space so far apart you 1:02:10.520 --> 1:02:12.520 tend to only get one of those troubles in a 1:02:12.560 --> 1:02:16.280 bass's mouth, which gives them leverage during the fight to twist, 1:02:16.440 --> 1:02:19.240 which can open the split rings. Just pull the hook 1:02:19.520 --> 1:02:22.640 or bend the hook out put it this way. Many 1:02:22.760 --> 1:02:26.320 big bass dreams have been shattered because of this flaw. 1:02:26.760 --> 1:02:29.520 The dock is also so big awkward an o fie 1:02:29.640 --> 1:02:31.880 that you need a fairly beefy rod to deliver it 1:02:32.120 --> 1:02:35.040 and to get it walking properly. You're gonna give your 1:02:35.160 --> 1:02:38.760 arms and shoulders a serious workout fishing it all day, 1:02:39.080 --> 1:02:42.959 I can tell you from personal experience sucks. The first 1:02:43.000 --> 1:02:44.720 time I ever saw this lor in action was in 1:02:44.760 --> 1:02:47.360 a video produced in Massachusetts where a dock with no 1:02:47.520 --> 1:02:50.040 hooks was being used to tease in big bass so 1:02:50.160 --> 1:02:52.720 fly anglers could hit them with a bait and switch. 1:02:53.200 --> 1:02:55.800 The first time I ever actually used one was in Montauk, 1:02:55.840 --> 1:02:59.720 New York, and we'd caught zero stripers all day despite 1:02:59.720 --> 1:03:02.960 prior conditions, And then finally my friend Craig can't tell 1:03:03.000 --> 1:03:05.640 Moo whipped out his dock and we motored tight to 1:03:05.640 --> 1:03:08.440 the beach and he said, if they don't eat this, 1:03:08.440 --> 1:03:10.320 this will at least let us know if there are 1:03:10.360 --> 1:03:13.320 any fish here, and we had ten blow ups and 1:03:13.400 --> 1:03:17.080 three connections within thirty minutes. This was only about five 1:03:17.160 --> 1:03:19.680 years ago, But even then Craig asked me to keep 1:03:19.720 --> 1:03:22.080 the dock on the download, to keep it a secret, 1:03:22.400 --> 1:03:25.120 because so potent was the ability of this lord to 1:03:25.200 --> 1:03:28.520 call in bass and trigger fish that seemingly we're not hungry. 1:03:28.800 --> 1:03:33.320 For many years, just the mention of a dock resulted 1:03:33.360 --> 1:03:37.920 in lambasting and cries of Doc Burn on social media. 1:03:38.080 --> 1:03:40.320 Now I've carried a dock with me ever since that trip, 1:03:40.320 --> 1:03:42.840 and I can't begin to count how many stripers it 1:03:42.920 --> 1:03:46.600 has made materialize out of the ether when all other 1:03:46.680 --> 1:03:50.360 methods failed. The heart pounding follows man. The toilet flush 1:03:50.400 --> 1:03:53.560 boils are all worth the need for icy hot because 1:03:53.600 --> 1:03:56.480 the beauty of that giant stiffy is that it's usually 1:03:56.520 --> 1:03:59.000 not a little rat striper that comes up to take 1:03:59.040 --> 1:04:02.200 that swing. Nowadays, you don't have to call the company 1:04:02.240 --> 1:04:05.160 to order unpainted blanks or strip all that fire tiger 1:04:05.200 --> 1:04:08.800 off your dock with about sander. Several outfitters sell bone 1:04:08.840 --> 1:04:11.640 docks pre fitted with tuna grade split rings and heavy 1:04:11.680 --> 1:04:14.400 gauge steel troubles, and as it often goes in this 1:04:14.440 --> 1:04:17.280 game there, even if you knock off docks out there. Now, 1:04:17.320 --> 1:04:20.280 the two originals I own have been slaying for years, 1:04:20.320 --> 1:04:23.240 and until I lose them, I'd prefer to just keep 1:04:23.360 --> 1:04:27.320 letting scrapes and scuffs from striper mouths accumulate because I 1:04:27.400 --> 1:04:35.560 like a lure with that broken in character. Well that's 1:04:35.560 --> 1:04:37.800 all we got for you this week. But just to recap, 1:04:38.160 --> 1:04:41.720 Henry Hill was actually put into the witness protection program 1:04:41.720 --> 1:04:45.840 in Pulaska, New York. Joe exploits his cousins for lure 1:04:45.880 --> 1:04:51.360 making materials, and Diptons make terrible fly reels, all at 1:04:51.440 --> 1:04:54.320 least partially cheerious statements. And hey, by the way, if 1:04:54.320 --> 1:04:56.720 you want a better understanding of how we managed to 1:04:56.760 --> 1:04:59.800 get Rayliota on this program, do yourselves a favor and 1:05:00.000 --> 1:05:03.440 allow at Paradinoia. 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