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Speaker 1: turns out Pennsylvanians still don't really like you. You cannot

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Speaker 1: fish into bad past. Good morning, degenerate anglers. Welcome to Bent,

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Speaker 1: the fishing podcast that's only interested in gas money trips

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Speaker 1: I throw you some shuttle money. It's not I hated.

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Speaker 1: The water is really greasy, you know that as porters.

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Speaker 1: Lucky Porter says, it's greasy water and the fish are

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Speaker 1: Anti said, Steve shipped my pants, didn't I? I said,

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Speaker 1: And just for the record, I've I have known Steve

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Speaker 1: from here with the weekly word. Webster's Dictionary defines fish

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Speaker 1: Neither does throwing a cast net, flinging a spear, setting

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Speaker 1: and fish related happenings out there in the world. For

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Speaker 1: Friendly reminded that Miles and I do not know which

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Speaker 1: Last week, that was me so um, maybe I'll maybe

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Speaker 1: You have a few comments. You want to make a

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Speaker 1: anglers routinely carry bolt cutters in order to cut hooks

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Speaker 1: during a difficult release. Jeff goes on to say, you

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Speaker 1: me honest there, Jeff, And uh and calling it out

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Speaker 1: people like when you're recording this stuff in the heat

426
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Speaker 1: of the moment, like how many times we get down

427
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, I said some clearly idiotic stuff.

428
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Speaker 1: I've posted videos of people using bolt cutters on muski

429
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Speaker 1: boats to cut musky hooks out of themselves. I freaking

430
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 1: knew that too, and it was just nowhere in my brain.

431
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Speaker 1: And then I just went to the default make fun

432
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Speaker 1: of of dirty people from Jersey like me. So I

433
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Speaker 1: I failed there too. Um, you know, we all fail sometimes.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully I will not fail today, though it is a

435
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Speaker 1: little bit more possible, because the leadoff man in in

436
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: any newsday tends to have a leg up and this

437
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: week that is used, sir, it is it is, And

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Speaker 1: hopefully I won't. I won't make an ass of myself

439
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: this week. But we'll see plenty of opportunities for that happen,

440
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 1: all right. So last week, the Army Corps of Engineers

441
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Speaker 1: announced that they will open a public comment period for

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00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: a fish farming pilot project proposed off the coast of

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Speaker 1: Sara Sota, Florida. This comes after the e p A

444
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 1: issued the Aquaculture developer, ocean Era, a wastewater discharge permit

445
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: for the project on septemb Now, this is not the

446
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 1: standard inshore net pen fish farm that we're all accustomed to,

447
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: Dubbed the Valela I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing that right, Laila,

448
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: something like that, Leyla Epsilon project. This is the latest

449
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: outgrowth of ocean Eras development of open ocean aquaculture pens.

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Speaker 1: For the past decade plus in Hawaii, ocean Era has

451
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Speaker 1: been developing what they call aquapods, large copper alloy mesh

452
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,959
Speaker 1: orbs that can be deployed in the open ocean and

453
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: house several thousand fish. The idea is that this could

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Speaker 1: be a sustainable form of fish farming. Because the pens

455
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Speaker 1: are an open ocean, tide and swell activity could theoretically

456
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Speaker 1: disperse waste instead of concentrating it in bays and estuaries,

457
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: which is what happens with traditional aquaculture. And uh, I

458
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: gotta say, the engineering on these things is pretty mind blowing.

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Speaker 1: So what they're talking about doing is is they're going

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Speaker 1: to drop this pen forty five miles out to see

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00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: in the Gulf of Mexico and leave it there for

462
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: twelve to eighteen months to test it out. It would

463
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: be secured with what they call a multi anchor swivel

464
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: mooring system. The pen would be attached to three different

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00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: three ton drag anchors by two insteel chain in about

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Speaker 1: a hundred thirty ft of water. So most of the

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Speaker 1: time the pen is just would be floating there on

468
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 1: the ocean surface, but when a storm approaches, the flotation

469
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: system can be flooded with water so that it sinks

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Speaker 1: to the bottom, and the theory here is that the

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Speaker 1: pen itself will be safer from wind and waves and

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00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: surge in the middle of a storm. If it's down

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Speaker 1: on the bottom, it's below everything. All of this, the

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Speaker 1: whole thing is controlled remotely and just requires a one

475
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 1: single weekly technician visit to refill the fish feeder and

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Speaker 1: recharge the generator. Ocean Era claims that their previous tests

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Speaker 1: of similar pens and hawii produced out standing fish while

478
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: leaving no significant impact on ocean ecosystems, but local critics

479
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: of this project are not buying it. They argue that

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00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: the area is already struggling with massive red tides exacerbated

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00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: by elevated levels of nitrogen and Phospherson. That's what I

482
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 1: was thinking about. That part of the world is red

483
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: tide central exactly, and and they're saying like these pens

484
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: could add to the problem. Additionally, like any other aquaculture

485
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: right the fish in these pens could carry infectious disease.

486
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: And so if this kind of untested technology were to

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Speaker 1: fail and the fish could escape, they might do harm

488
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: to to local fish populations. As of right now, commercial

489
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: fish farming in federal waters is prohibited. Ocean Era is

490
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: working to secure EPA permits for this test, but for

491
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: right now anyway, they can't go any further than that.

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00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,959
Speaker 1: A federal Court of Appeals held that offshore fish farming

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00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: and federal waters cannot be permitted under current policy. That

494
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: just happened in August, So large scale offshore fish farms

495
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: remain illegal unless Congress passes new legislation. So why is

496
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: ocean Era even bothering with all this research and testing

497
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: if the scaling up of this technology is just not allowed, Well,

498
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: because it might not be illegal for long. Senator Marco Rubio,

499
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Speaker 1: the from Florida recently introduced the Advancing the Quality and

500
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: Understanding of American Aquaculture Act, or the aqua for short.

501
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: That was how many times out some aid in paperwork.

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00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: I already forgot it. I just go BAA. If that passes,

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Speaker 1: it would open up offshore federal waters to fish farms.

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Speaker 1: And that follows a Trump administration executive order mandating an

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00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: expansion of American aquaculture. All right, So that's a lot.

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Speaker 1: I know. I just wanted to step in here at

507
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Speaker 1: the end and say I'm not going to claim that

508
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: this issue is simple, because it's not. We we know

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Speaker 1: that current fish farming practices are detrimental to ecosystems and

510
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: wildfish populations. We've seen that happen. We also know that

511
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: global demand for fish and seafood isn't sustainable. We are

512
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: we are literally fishing out the oceans right. So in theory,

513
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: sustainable aquaculture like that offers a potential solution that the

514
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: idea of sustainable aquaculture is is really attractive. If we

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Speaker 1: can figure out how to raise fish on an industrial

516
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Speaker 1: scale without destroying habitat, I mean, I'd be all four it.

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Speaker 1: That'd be great. But I'm wary of fish farming in

518
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: general because it has a terrible track record. And and

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00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: you know, I gotta say, like I have to clear

520
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: one thing up. I'm talking explicitly about fish, not mollusks

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00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: or bivalves. Oyster farming scenes to be working pretty well,

522
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: but you know, much like sulfide mining near sensitive watersheds,

523
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Speaker 1: this strikes me as the wrong place to test this

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Speaker 1: technology out, like you were saying earlier, Joe, like the

525
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: of Mexico, that whole area is already dealing with a

526
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: lot and adding more potential stress to that marine system.

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00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: Just that just it seems really risky. It just does. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So this is one of those deals were on paper,

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Speaker 1: it sounds like a good idea, but I mean, I

530
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: have so many questions which you might not have the

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Speaker 1: answers to. I mean, first and foremost, like what kind

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Speaker 1: of fish are we raising in a in a copper

533
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: bubble forty five miles offshore? So they've done it with

534
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: a few different kinds of fish, the ones that they

535
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: did in Hawaii or are compete it's a it's a

536
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: type of fish that's out there, but the ones that

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00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: they want to do in Florida test this out, or

538
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: Jack's which kind of blewe Yeah, that's that's that classic

539
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: fish that like one in fifty guys is like, oh

540
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: are you talking about them? Kraval is delicious. I wish

541
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: I could remember the exact but yeah, it goes exactly.

542
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: That's exactly what. I actually just caught some almicos here

543
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: in Jersey a couple of weekends ago. How about that? Um?

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00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like, you know, when when you're

545
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: talking about farm salmon and things, a lot of times

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00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: you have these farms and places where those fish don't

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00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: naturally exist. Therefore, when something goes wrong, it's it's it's catastrophic, right,

548
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: So I mean, if we're raising a fish that if

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00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: hypothetically all got released forty five miles off shore, wouldn't

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00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: make any difference anyway. I mean, I feel like that's

551
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: that's a little safer in that regard, except for one thing. Right, Yes,

552
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: they're native to that area, but they've been pumped full

553
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: of all kinds of ambiotics and stuff, so them getting

554
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: out could potentially there there could be a problem there.

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00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: It's not like there's no risk. Yeah, and and and

556
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: and for anybody you know this, this is like a

557
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: new idea too. So Hawaii had a version of this,

558
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: And I've only ever fished in southern California one time,

559
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: but I don't want to get off on it. But

560
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: I was so blown away once we got into Mexican waters.

561
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: They weren't in US waters, just these miles of pens

562
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,479
Speaker 1: out in the open ocean, and I'm like, what is that?

563
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: And they're like their tuna pends. They're full of blue

564
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: fin tuna. And that was the first time I ever

565
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: saw any sort of open ocean pen farm whatever you

566
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: want to call it. So it's it's I think the

567
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: the the method here, uh is new, but I mean

568
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: stuff like this to some degree has been done before. Um.

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Speaker 1: I will say that if they put it out there,

570
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're a mahi fisherman, that's your spot.

571
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: I mean, can you just imagine? Can you just imagine?

572
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the world's biggest what is it called

573
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: a fit fabricated whatever they're they're illegal fat fat fish, Yeah,

574
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: attracting device. So you know, um, I think it's an

575
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: interesting idea. I get what they're saying to about the wastewater.

576
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: That does make sense because a lot of these issues

577
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: stem from the wastewater that that farms produced. So yeah,

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00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: you have the tide naturally flushing out all the fish.

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00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: Ship it's it's I don't, I don't, I don't know,

580
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: man Like, it's it's such a it's such a big

581
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: picture thing. There's no right or wrong right now, there's

582
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: the whole deal and and this like this one pen right,

583
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: you're talking about like a pretty small scale thing. It's

584
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: it's not this, it's not the test that's the issue.

585
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: It's what it opens the door to on a bigger

586
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: scale that's the thing that's potentially an issue. So I mean,

587
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: I recommend everybody was out there who's concerned with this, like,

588
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: do your own research, come to your own conclusions. The

589
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: public comment period is not open yet for the Army

590
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: Corps of Engineers, but it will be soon. And and

591
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: contact them, let them know what you think, give them

592
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: your thoughts, make your voice heard. Uh. And one of

593
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: the things before we move on, Joe, I totally mispronounced

594
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: a Hawaiian word in there, and all my my people

595
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: will hate me is the name of that fish not

596
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: compa Compachi. Okay, you've right it, You've righted your wrong

597
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: this time. I will just tack on that. I feel

598
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: bad for that one loan dude who ask to make

599
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: the forty five mile run there and back. Once a

600
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: week to to feed the fish. That's a terrible job

601
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: since everything else is remote. But anyway, so well, i'll

602
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: transition is here from growing them growing fa to slaughter

603
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: in them in an interesting story here And and I

604
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: feel like we've tried pretty hard to keep the covids

605
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: out of our news because like who like we're all

606
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: hearing it, right, But this one was just too juicy

607
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: for for me to let it go. So this story

608
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 1: comes to us from sky News headline coronavirus colon half

609
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: a million sharks could be killed for vaccine. Experts warn

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Speaker 1: I heard about this. I didn't dig into it, but

611
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: this I heard about this, all right. This is one

612
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: I was legitimately. I was worried that you were going

613
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: to grab because I could see either one of us.

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00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: This is this has to it for scept it sharks.

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00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: So it's pretty you know, it's pretty much jo story. Yeah,

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00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: So from this story, half a million sharks could be

617
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: killed for their natural oil to produce coronavirus vaccines. According

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Speaker 1: to Conservationist, one ingredient used in some COVID nineteen vaccine

619
00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: candidates is squalling. Squaling squalling, I slip slappy samsonite we'll

620
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: go squaling because I'm gonna say it a million times.

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Speaker 1: Uh so whatever, uh And that which is a natural

622
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: oil made in the liver of sharks. British pharmaceutical company

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Speaker 1: Glaxo smith Klein currently uses sharks squaling in flu vaccine,

624
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: and the company said it would manufacture a billion doses

625
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: of this adjuvant for potential use in coronavirus vaccines in May. Now,

626
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: according to this story, around three thousand sharks are needed

627
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: to extract one ton of squalling, and Shark Allies, a

628
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: California based group, suggests that if the world's population received

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Speaker 1: one dose of a COVID nineteen vaccine containing the liver oil,

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Speaker 1: to make that happen, around two hundred and fifty thousand

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Speaker 1: sharks would need to be slaughtered, depending on the amount

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Speaker 1: of squally used. Now, we're all following the news on COVID,

633
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: how do you not? It's crammed down your throat. And

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00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: what we're here, and at least from a lot of sources,

635
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: is that if and when there is a vaccine, it's

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Speaker 1: probably gonna be a double dos er. You know, you

637
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Speaker 1: go back for your booster shot. So this story says

638
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: if two doses are needed to immunize the global population,

639
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: which is likely according to researchers, this would increase the

640
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: shark death to half a million. Sharks would have to

641
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 1: die to provide enough squalling for all those vaccines. Damn right.

642
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: So um, this goes on to say, to avoid threatening

643
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: shark populations, scientists are testing on alternative to squaling, a

644
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: synthetic version made from fermented sugarcane, which which is cool now.

645
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: According to estimates made by conservationists, around three million sharks

646
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: are killed every year for squalling, which is also used

647
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: apparently in cosmetics and machine oil, and there are fears

648
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: that a sudden rise in demand for the liver oil

649
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: could threaten populations and see more species become endangered, as

650
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: many species rich in squalling, such as the gulper shark,

651
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 1: are already vulnerable. Um. Sorry, gulper shark, I've never heard

652
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: of you. I had to look that I don't. Then

653
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: it's so. It's a member of the dog fish family. Uh,

654
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: and apparently lives in very deep, murky water all around

655
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 1: the world. Um, it's got like these weird green eyes.

656
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: Gulp er shark. Never heard now of course? Right. This

657
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: piece is illustrated with stock photos of Great whites and such,

658
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: and I don't think anybody is hunting Great whites down

659
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 1: for their squaling. But I gotta be totally honest, man,

660
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: this is legitimately news to me. I was not hip

661
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: to the use of any shark byproducts um in vaccines. However,

662
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: I will say that sadly right, I feel like this

663
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 1: is your classic COVID story that's just simply like not

664
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: likely to make the impact certain people are hoping it will,

665
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: you know, because like we're so beaten over the head

666
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: of COVID numbers and vaccine news and now the President's

667
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: got it and blah blah blah, and you don't have

668
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: the same impact as those buried COVID stories like science

669
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: confirms Yorkshire terriers most common carriers among dogs. You know,

670
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: It's like there's so many bigger picture COVID things going

671
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: around that I just don't know, you know, if this

672
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: is going to have the impact. Um But to throw

673
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: in a little Devil's advocate just to keep it unbiased.

674
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: Unlike the real news, we keep it unbiased. Here. I

675
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: found another story about this on echo watch dot com.

676
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: And here are just a couple of interesting fact toys

677
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 1: from that one. Squaling has been used in flu vaccine

678
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: since Boston News reported and has a quote excellent safety

679
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: record according to the c d C. And that was

680
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: in the Miami Herald. It could also help reduce the

681
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 1: amount of vaccine needed per person. Squaling, so you could

682
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: have it can help there. And then in a popular

683
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: online campaign, Shark Allies outlined the non shark alternatives for

684
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: squaling already in existence. Plant based oils can be harvested

685
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: from things like yeast, wheat, germ, sugarcane, and olive oil. Um.

686
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: But the problem with these alternatives is that they are

687
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: about thirty percent more expensive and harder to extract than

688
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: shark based squaling. So if this is all accurate, right,

689
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 1: this is a This is a dilly of a pickle, now,

690
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: isn't it? Because you and I and everyone a mediator

691
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 1: and everyone pretty much in the outdoor industry aligns themselves

692
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: with conservation efforts. We've talked on this show before about

693
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: how you and I agree with shark conservation in particular.

694
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: But then, like, given the circumstances, I feel like most

695
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: people's reaction to this story in this country right now

696
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: would be like, hey, if killing a shipload of sharks,

697
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: gets me a safer vaccine faster, and we get through

698
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: this bullshit like just kill them like anything that we'll

699
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: get us back to normalcy right now. So the organizations

700
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: fighting against this and trying to push these synthetics, man,

701
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: you've got a hard fight ahead of you right now,

702
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: you know, especially because exactly exactly, it's not like it's

703
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: not like we're gonna pause this process of developing and

704
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 1: disseminating a vaccine so that we can have an argument

705
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: about shark populations. Yeah, that's that's that's not gonna happen.

706
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: And I'm not even arguing that it should. I'm in

707
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 1: the same boat. It's like, on one hand, you want

708
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: to be like, no, this is ridiculous, But on the

709
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: other hand, look like, look what we're dealing with, this

710
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: unprecedented pandemic. And at first, like I said, I I

711
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: didn't even know that that was such a thing. Using

712
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: shark liver oil as an additive to vaccines. Who no,

713
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: I mean, there are all kinds of weird additives in

714
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: vaccines and other injectables and medicines. Right Like, I don't

715
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: want to go to too far around the rabbit hole,

716
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: but the you know, the harvesting of of horseshoe crabs

717
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: in order to produce basically every single fact, and damn

718
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: near wiped him out. In certain places, we don't see

719
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: horseshoes on the beach like we did when I was

720
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: a kid. That's a good point. Yeah, so you know

721
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: it's there. There's a long standing precedent for this, and

722
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: unfortunately they're there are two forces that are just going

723
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: to be stronger or maybe fortunately, I don't know. There

724
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: are two forces are going to ultimately outweigh anything that

725
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: has to do with shar shark conservation. One is public

726
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: health and to our market forces. Right, if it's if

727
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: it's cheaper and more effective to take it from the sharks,

728
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: that's where it's gonna come from. So hopefully they keep

729
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: it to the golfer sharks. Sorry golper SLOs, but you know,

730
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: at least it's not makos or black tips on the flats,

731
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: at least not yet. So if we can get if

732
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: we can get through this with the golfer sharks, all

733
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: the other sharks will be okay, my minus the shark

734
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: finning and all that stuff, you know, for the next

735
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: story I've got I'm I'm working through a little self

736
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: loathing over over the second story I chose in general,

737
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: bring it on good and and it is a far

738
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: cry from from net pens or or shark killing or coronavirus. Anyway,

739
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: my next story it's a far cry from being worthy

740
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: of being in news. But well, and this was so

741
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: like to call what I'm about to report on news

742
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: really is stretching the bounds of anything remotely journalistic. But

743
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: screw it, here goes. So you know that old axiom

744
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: if you give a room full of monkeys typewriters in

745
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: an infinite quantity of time, they would eventually produce the

746
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: works of Shakespeare. Have you heard that? I have? So

747
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: this story is kind of like that, except instead of

748
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: monkeys with typewriters, there their fish in a tank, and

749
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: instead of the words of Shakespeare, it's a terrible video game.

750
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: A gamer in Japan who goes by the handle mutak

751
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 1: Madu his pet beta fish that's so smooth, like perfect, dude.

752
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: I took Japanese lessons as a kid, Come on, did

753
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: you really as part of the curriculum? And yeah, grew

754
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: up in Hawaii. Lots of Japanese, lots of other other languages,

755
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 1: we had to speak. Uh anyway, So so this mutak

756
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: Madu guy taught his pet beta fish how to play

757
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: the video game Pokemon Sapphire. Kind of now, yeah, now

758
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: these gamers like this. He did this as a stunt

759
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: to attract people to his channel, which worked, but it

760
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: produced some unintended results that are actually kind of interesting,

761
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: at least to me anyway. So we take him out

762
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: to gritted out his fish tank, and through a mechanism

763
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: that I truly don't understand, he somehow connected it to

764
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 1: his game Boy advance. When his two fighting fish named

765
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,479
Speaker 1: Maurice and Lala entered a certain part of the tank,

766
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: they tripped a button on his game Boy, thereby allowing

767
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: the fish to play the game and uh. The first

768
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: interesting result of this experiment was proving that Pokemon Sapphire

769
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: does not require any intellect at all. In fact, apparently

770
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: one doesn't even need basic sentience because the fish were

771
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: able to advance pretty far in the game. The second

772
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: interesting result, however, is that these fish found a bug

773
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: or a glitch in the coding that no one else

774
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: has been able to find in the eighteen years that

775
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: this game has existed. So this jumped out at me

776
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: because my dad was a video game designer. And when

777
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: I was yeah, really, dude, your dad's a video game designer.

778
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: You speak jap. I'm learning so much about so many things,

779
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: but I don't speak. I took some lessons when I

780
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: was in elementary school. Maybe count to ten um. But yeah,

781
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, my friends and I were

782
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: conscripted as beta testers. And basically what that means that

783
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: we sat around for hours playing early versions of video games,

784
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: looking for bugs or situations where the games didn't work

785
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: like they were supposed to. This may sound like fun,

786
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: but I was never very interested in video games, and

787
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 1: I was never very good at them at all. So

788
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,479
Speaker 1: you know, like some kids disappoint their fathers because they're

789
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: two into video games and too good at them, and

790
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: I was the exact opposite. And it was so funny.

791
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: Do I gotta cut in for one second? Because like

792
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: every video game system I had growing up, my dad

793
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: bought like for himself. Like, I played them a little bit,

794
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: but I was never enthralled. I play my original Nintendo

795
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: more now than I did when I got it. Like

796
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: my dad beat Resident Evil in three days, you know

797
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: what I mean? Anyway, we no I mean, like literally,

798
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, there'd be situations where my

799
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: dad would be like, hey, son, you want to go

800
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: play some video games and be like, no, not really,

801
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: you play side He's like not really. Anyway, My point

802
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: back to what I was talking about there are My

803
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: point is that thousands and thousands of hours go into

804
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: beta testing video games before they even go to market.

805
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: This game was released way back in two thousand two,

806
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: so in addition to that, god knows how many hours

807
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: of actual like gameplay time it had, and yet no

808
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: one found this game crashing bug until Maurice and La

809
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: La the Fighting Fish got a crack at it. I guess.

810
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: I guess that's why they called them them beta fish, right,

811
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 1: because they're so good at the beta testing bump. Dang uh. Well,

812
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: so the first question I have, um, what is the

813
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 1: COVID status in Japan? Has this poor man been in

814
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: quarantine in his apartment in Japan since December? Because I

815
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: mean I didn't look into that aspect of this. I

816
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: just saw something pop up online the other day that

817
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: was like, thirteen year old figures out nuclear fission or

818
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: cold fusion in his garage. It's like, dude, if you

819
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: have this much time to train beta fish to play

820
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: Pokemon Cure cancer. Man. There's created, there's no trade, just

821
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: like create a little grid system in their tank and

822
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: when they swam in that area, it would push buttons

823
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: and that would make the gameplay. It was. It was

824
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: a total gimmick. And he this is again, that's why

825
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: I used the monkeys with typewriters, making Shakespeare think, because

826
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: give the fish enough time pushing random buttons and things happen.

827
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: It's dude. It is funny though, because this man taught

828
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: to fighting fish how to play a video game. And

829
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: I'm in the basement now with a five year old

830
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: like trying to explain why she's not killing the ducks

831
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: and duck Hunt. I'm like, you have to look, you

832
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: have to put that little thing on the tip of

833
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: the gun on the duck. Don't just fire wild like

834
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't get my kid to consistently shoot

835
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 1: ducks and duck Hunt. But this man has taught fish

836
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: how to play a much more advanced game than duck Hunt.

837
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: It sounds like that, yes, yes, oh well he has

838
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: a lot of nothing to do. I will say that's

839
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 1: that's he needs some other hobbies. Um, there's some great

840
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 1: fishing in Japan. Can I can I suggest, well, record

841
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: large mouth came out of there, But put your mask on,

842
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: grab grab a leather swim bait and go down there

843
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: and see what happens. Teat yourself to catch those. Uh,

844
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: this man deserves a metal. I don't have one for him.

845
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: But how about a pin? Okay, here comes my ridiculous

846
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: be comes my ridiculous story. This is a goofy one.

847
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: And I actually I debated it, but I just had

848
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: to because I just laughed very hard. Um. And before

849
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: I get into this story, a couple of things. So

850
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: back in the day, and by back in the day,

851
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: I mean like the fifties and sixties and such, some

852
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: of you might be aware that many states used to

853
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: issue a button as a fishing license. You know what

854
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, right, Like they're they're collector's items now,

855
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: Like if you get antique stores and flea markets see

856
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: all these old pins, you know, ohio, um, and you

857
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: know they're super collectible. But instead of a paper license,

858
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 1: you'd get a sweet button to put on your fishing vest. Well,

859
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: the state of Pennsylvania's still offers buttons. Of course, these

860
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 1: days it's just a novelty. Um. You know, most people

861
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: are just go with the paper license, but if you

862
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: want to pony up an extra ten bucks, you can

863
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: still get a collectible fishing license button. So there's that now.

864
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: The next thing. I love chain Pikeroll. I am all

865
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: about the littlest member of the Esox family, and I

866
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 1: have sung their praises for years and videos and written

867
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: works and so forth, and I target them often. But

868
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: for the most part, I think it's fair to say

869
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: people find pickroll to just be a nuisance, right, especially

870
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 1: bass guys, because chain Pickerell clip that wacky rig sinko

871
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: off real quick right there, pain in the as. But

872
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: to me, they are under appreciated underdogs. So imagine the

873
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: twinge of the light I got when reading this headline

874
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: on the website of Chester County p A my Chess

875
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 1: code dot com. Voters select chain Pickerel design for pennsylvanias

876
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: one collectible license button no way, And I thought, finally, finally,

877
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: the lowly chain Pickerel is getting some respect, And I thought,

878
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,479
Speaker 1: geez a vote. There was a vote, which means enough

879
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: people respect the chain Pickerel and p A that it's

880
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: legions of fans trumped all the other options. How terrific,

881
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: And here's what the story said. During an online poll

882
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: held from September sevent a total of four and fifty

883
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 1: three voters cast their ballots to choose between four different options.

884
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,479
Speaker 1: The fish skin design featuring the scales of a chain

885
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 1: pickrel was the runaway winner, earning six hundred and seventy

886
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: six votes, nearly fifty Good for you. That's isn't that terrific?

887
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: And that's like if we had one out here, the

888
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: equivalent would be if someone put the white fish on

889
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: it instead of a trout. And I would be very

890
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: happy if that were to happen. But wait, just because

891
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: I was so proud right at that point in the story,

892
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: I was so proud, and then I I read on

893
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: and says A single color conservation green option was the

894
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: second most popular choice votes. A classic red and white

895
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: bobber design placed third with two. A design featuring a

896
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: life jacket rounded out the field, collecting two votes. So

897
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,720
Speaker 1: to rehash that, the measly amount of people that voted

898
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: had pickerel skin, green bobber, and life jacket to pick from,

899
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 1: which means nearly of the barely voters went well, shit,

900
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: at least that one's a fish. I'll go with the fish.

901
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: You could have put it like the dull gray sides

902
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: of a bow fin as an option, and it would

903
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: have beat out life jacket. I mean, nobody wants to

904
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: wear a life jacket, let alone sport a piece of

905
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: flare with a life jacket. Look at life jacket button

906
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: that I've got on my life jacket, and I just

907
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: I thought that was comical. On the flip side, though,

908
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: you know, at some point there's a discussion at p

909
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: A Fish and Wildlife about pin options for that year,

910
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: and and the boss is always like Brooker Brown Trout,

911
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: you know, but there's a one dude like me, the intern,

912
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: that's like, how about a Pickerel? And finally this year

913
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 1: they were like, Timmy in the mail room has been

914
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: saying pickerel for eight years now, can we just give

915
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: it to it? I'm exactly But anyway, I'm so sorry

916
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: to get you all excited, Chain Pickerell, but it turns

917
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,919
Speaker 1: out Pennsylvanians still don't really like you. Uh. The only

918
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: reason you want is because you're an actual fish. I

919
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: might have to buy the button just because will you

920
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: buy me one too? And and you know what, if

921
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: you're smart, you will also buy one fulfill the engineer,

922
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: because he is the decider as to who will be

923
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: the grand Champion winner this week. And as soon as

924
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: Phil has has issued his his validation and his vanquishing,

925
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: we will then move on to see what kind of

926
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: tasty items we have found this week in the sale band.

927
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: And I think we're going to take a dip in

928
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: the sheer stupidity that we are. Joseph Mellie is the

929
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: winner this week. Look, I surprised even myself. Normally I

930
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,720
Speaker 1: would gladly take a Pokemon story over a COVID story,

931
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: but those shark vaccines are just too interesting to ignore.

932
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: But don't worry, Miles, You're still the very best, like

933
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 1: no one ever was. Why did you put the hand

934
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: to pay? You don't know what I'm getting? Man? What

935
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: you didn't have to be so hurtful with me, so angry? Okay?

936
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: So to preface this item, which I found on offer up,

937
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: it's a little complex, okay, but that's it. It might

938
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: be the most fabulously stupid attempt at shady private online

939
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: goods dealing I have ever seen. Right, So, the seller

940
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: is located in Barrie, Texas, which is the middle of nowhere.

941
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: And remember that because it's gonna make this funnier when

942
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: when we get into the meat of what we're dealing

943
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: with here, right, and I feel like I feel like

944
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: I got a prevace before you dive in too much,

945
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: Joe by saying that when you first brought this to me,

946
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: I was totally confused and I didn't get it. So

947
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: but now that I do get it, it's pretty ridiculous

948
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: and it's pretty damn funny, and I cannot believe that

949
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,919
Speaker 1: this guy is trying to pull this off. Well, that's

950
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: what makes this complex, because to just look at it

951
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 1: face value, like if you if you're not if you

952
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: don't have the inside track on this, you probably skip

953
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: right over it. But but once we we divulge the crazy, right,

954
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 1: you guys will understand. So the title of the post

955
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: is lose fly reel. That's it, okay, and lose l

956
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: e w apostrophees not oh so leeah lose As many

957
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: of you know, uh, they are long time makers of

958
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: conventional bass rods and reels, but they do not make

959
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: fly reels. So I will do my best to explain

960
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: this idiocy Okay, picture of fly reel loaded with line,

961
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: but the real has no middle. There's nothing, nothing in

962
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,280
Speaker 1: the middle, so it essentially looks like a giant ball

963
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: bearing with a real foot. Okay, there's there's nothing in

964
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,720
Speaker 1: the center. There's no drag nob, none of the usual

965
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: support structure that tie a normal fly reel together. Um,

966
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: and this struck me as odd. Even more so when

967
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: I read this very short and sweet description brand new

968
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: never used not cheap, will trade for a lose bait caster. So,

969
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: in a very cryptic way, the title of the post

970
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: is actually saying, will trade lose bait caster for this

971
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: fly reel. Okay. So I'm looking at all the pictures

972
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what's going on here because something

973
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: is not right. And then it hit me right. I

974
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: do not use chewing tobacco, but a good friend of

975
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: mine does, and a few years ago he presented me

976
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: with a special edition tin of Grizzly long Cut. Now

977
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: why did he do this? Because he knows I love

978
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: fly fishing. And there is a very pretty trout on

979
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: the actual tin, and that tin is nestled right in

980
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: the center of a fake, non functional, decorative fly reel. Okay,

981
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: So I raised to my closet to dig this this

982
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: tin out to confirm my suspicion, and I was right

983
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: on the money. You pop the tin of actual dip

984
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: out of the fly reel and are left with what

985
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: this momo is trying to trade for a lose bait caster.

986
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: Uh On some level you gotta respect that hustle. I

987
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: mean it's it's terrible. But no, there's there's hustle, and

988
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: then there's like scam artists, and this is pure and simple.

989
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: This is my best guess right, I will never know.

990
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 1: Uh So back up, I reached out to the gentleman

991
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 1: with a simple question what brand of fly reel is that?

992
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: And oddly got no answer that never got back to me,

993
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: which seems appropriate because if you buy this, you're gonna

994
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: lose banger love that. This is my guess right. He

995
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: needed a fresh tint of dip, and the one gas

996
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: station in Barry, Texas was out of his regular grizzly

997
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 1: long cut, which forced him to buy his favorite shawl

998
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: in this commemorative fly fishing tin, So he choose the

999
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: dip while bass Fishing realizes the tolerance in his Johnny

1000
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: Morris signature series Bait caster aren't as tight as they

1001
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: used to be, looks down at the now empty, useless

1002
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 1: fake fly fishing cradle and has his Aha moment. But

1003
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: do you think about this or hold on? Maybe I'm

1004
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: just being the least cynical. Maybe I've just given this

1005
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 1: guy's benefit of the doubt and I'm wrong. But maybe

1006
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,720
Speaker 1: he knows so little about fly fishing or fly fishing reels.

1007
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: He was like, huh, so this is what a fly

1008
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: fishing real does. Huh, don't turn it. There's no function.

1009
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: It doesn't turn. It's got fake line on it. What

1010
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: do you do with that? Yeah? You're I know, I know,

1011
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: trying to give the benefit the data. I shouldn't. Here's

1012
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: the part that I want to know, right, what if

1013
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: somebody had actually bit on this, Like what if somebody

1014
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: was like, hey man, I gotta lose laying around and

1015
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: that's a real sweet looking fly real what would this

1016
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: dude have done, grabbed debait caster and ran like hell,

1017
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: how would the transaction have gone down? Yeah, that's a

1018
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: good question. How are you gonna how are you going

1019
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: to do that? I don't know, because as soon as

1020
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: you you've actually held one in your hands, you own one.

1021
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: So you know better than I do. I've just looked

1022
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: at the photos. It's real hard to tell. But you're saying,

1023
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: as soon as I picked this up, I would go,

1024
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: but it's it's it's it's nothing. It's hollow aluminum. It's

1025
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: not it's it's it may as well be a paperweight.

1026
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it says zero function. It's not a real

1027
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: it's a it's a freaking dip tin. And it's not

1028
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: even the tin, it's like the housing of the tin. Right.

1029
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: So to that end, because we know this one is

1030
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: a little bit more complicated and some of you might

1031
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: want a better understanding. Um, we put together a little

1032
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: product demo and we're posting that on me and Miles

1033
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: Instagram pages. So that's at Joe dot Smellie one three

1034
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 1: eight and at water Miles. Um, and we may or

1035
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: may shred this dipshit a little harder and said product video,

1036
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: So check that out. Okay, this may not be the

1037
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: only time that we post photos to our our our

1038
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: Instagram accounts to try and back these up, because sometimes

1039
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: you need a little visual help. Yea, So it's a

1040
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: little visual be ready for that, yes, and UH, as always,

1041
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: if you find something fishing related for sale online that

1042
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: you think we need to see to believe. Do keep

1043
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: shooting those links to us at bent at the meat

1044
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,919
Speaker 1: eater dot com. We've been getting a bunch of great

1045
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: items from you guys. Keep them coming, thank you. We

1046
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: are almost out of time, but before we go, Joe

1047
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: has an end of the line segment that was like,

1048
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: honestly legitimately eye opening for me. No, seriously, man, Like

1049
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: I've I have long been familiar with with that lure,

1050
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: the one you're about telling about, but I had I

1051
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: had no idea about its right coast not so called following.

1052
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say aything else because I want to

1053
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 1: let you tell it. But you know, for those of

1054
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: you out there who are keyed into the East coast

1055
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: striper scene, this wi will probably come as no surprise.

1056
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: But for those who rarely fish east of the Mississippi,

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Speaker 1: you guys, might you know, actually learn something from this

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Speaker 1: podcast for once. Well, that's not loud enough. The musky

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Speaker 1: Mania doc might just be the worst kept secret in

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Speaker 1: striper fishing. But the funny thing is, to the uninitiated,

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Speaker 1: nothing about it would suggest it has any sort of

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Speaker 1: magical abilities. To the untrained eye, It's just an oversized spook,

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Speaker 1: a massive version of the dog walkers that have been

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01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,959
Speaker 1: calling up green and brown bass the world over since

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01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: Hank Parker was a boy. In fact, the nine inch

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01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: dock looks downright goofy, and viewed from the underside, the

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01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: slightly flared gills make it a dead ringer for a

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01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: massive male member standing at full attention, which has prompted

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Speaker 1: countless nicknames for the plug I need not get into,

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01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: and endless jokes when you pull one out of your

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Speaker 1: tackle bag. The joke, however, is on the nonbelievers. Unlike

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Speaker 1: its little cousins that have internal bbes or perhaps a

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Speaker 1: few little knockerballs, the doc has a setimental balls that

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01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: would make a C d C blush. It produces a

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Speaker 1: clack like no other top order, which is a key

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Speaker 1: element to the dock's ability to call stripers, particularly big

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Speaker 1: girls that chow whole adult bunker out of what you

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01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 1: swear is a completely dead ocean. Legendary muskie angler Pete

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Speaker 1: Man is the mastermind behind the dock, and while there

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Speaker 1: has always been some crossover appeal between striper guys and

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Speaker 1: musky dudes, when it comes to loures, without question, no

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Speaker 1: musky lore has infiltrated the stripers scene this deeply since

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Speaker 1: surfcasters in the nineteen forties and fifties latched onto the

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Speaker 1: creek Chubb Pikey minnow Now. Details about who figured out

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Speaker 1: the secret first are hazy and debated, but the dock

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01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: first hit the striper scene in the early two thousands.

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Speaker 1: What those early pioneers also figured out is that the

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Speaker 1: money is the unpainted natural bone colored blank. Even though

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Speaker 1: the dock is available in ten colors. I've never seen

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Speaker 1: a Northeast salty guy hucking anything but the bone. And

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Speaker 1: what Northeast anglers also learned in short order is that

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Speaker 1: the split rings and bronze hooks that come stock on

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01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: a dock we're pretty worthless in the brine, which has

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Speaker 1: sparked years of debate, videos and articles on the best

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Speaker 1: terminal tackle hooks and configuration for retrofitting these lures. Now,

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01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: why you'd be hard pressed to find a striper guy

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Speaker 1: around here that won't tell you the doc is deadly.

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01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: They'll also I'll tell you the lore is a complete

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01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: pain in the ass to fish. The most notable problem

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01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 1: is that the hooks are space so far apart you

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01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: tend to only get one of those troubles in a

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01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: bass's mouth, which gives them leverage during the fight to twist,

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01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: which can open the split rings. Just pull the hook

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01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: or bend the hook out put it this way. Many

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Speaker 1: big bass dreams have been shattered because of this flaw.

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Speaker 1: The dock is also so big awkward an o fie

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01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: that you need a fairly beefy rod to deliver it

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01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 1: and to get it walking properly. You're gonna give your

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Speaker 1: arms and shoulders a serious workout fishing it all day,

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Speaker 1: I can tell you from personal experience sucks. The first

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Speaker 1: time I ever saw this lor in action was in

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Speaker 1: a video produced in Massachusetts where a dock with no

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01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: hooks was being used to tease in big bass so

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01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 1: fly anglers could hit them with a bait and switch.

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Speaker 1: The first time I ever actually used one was in Montauk,

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Speaker 1: New York, and we'd caught zero stripers all day despite

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Speaker 1: prior conditions, And then finally my friend Craig can't tell

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01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: Moo whipped out his dock and we motored tight to

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Speaker 1: the beach and he said, if they don't eat this,

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Speaker 1: this will at least let us know if there are

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Speaker 1: any fish here, and we had ten blow ups and

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Speaker 1: three connections within thirty minutes. This was only about five

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Speaker 1: years ago, But even then Craig asked me to keep

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Speaker 1: the dock on the download, to keep it a secret,

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Speaker 1: because so potent was the ability of this lord to

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Speaker 1: call in bass and trigger fish that seemingly we're not hungry.

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Speaker 1: For many years, just the mention of a dock resulted

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Speaker 1: in lambasting and cries of Doc Burn on social media.

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Speaker 1: Now I've carried a dock with me ever since that trip,

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Speaker 1: and I can't begin to count how many stripers it

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Speaker 1: has made materialize out of the ether when all other

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Speaker 1: methods failed. The heart pounding follows man. The toilet flush

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01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: boils are all worth the need for icy hot because

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Speaker 1: the beauty of that giant stiffy is that it's usually

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Speaker 1: not a little rat striper that comes up to take

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01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: that swing. Nowadays, you don't have to call the company

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Speaker 1: to order unpainted blanks or strip all that fire tiger

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01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 1: off your dock with about sander. Several outfitters sell bone

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01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: docks pre fitted with tuna grade split rings and heavy

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01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: gauge steel troubles, and as it often goes in this

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01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: game there, even if you knock off docks out there. Now,

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01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 1: the two originals I own have been slaying for years,

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Speaker 1: and until I lose them, I'd prefer to just keep

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01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: letting scrapes and scuffs from striper mouths accumulate because I

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Speaker 1: like a lure with that broken in character. Well that's

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Speaker 1: all we got for you this week. But just to recap,

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Speaker 1: Henry Hill was actually put into the witness protection program

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Speaker 1: in Pulaska, New York. Joe exploits his cousins for lure

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Speaker 1: making materials, and Diptons make terrible fly reels, all at

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Speaker 1: least partially cheerious statements. And hey, by the way, if

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Speaker 1: you want a better understanding of how we managed to

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Speaker 1: get Rayliota on this program, do yourselves a favor and

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Speaker 1: allow at Paradinoia. That's p A r A D E

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Speaker 1: n O I A on the Instagram. And while you're

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Speaker 1: on your phone, fire an email at a bent at

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Speaker 1: the Mediator dot com and tell us all about what

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01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: we got wrong or what you like if you're feeling complimentary,

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01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: or maybe just give us a fishing report. Either way,

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Speaker 1: we love hearing from you, we do. And you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're enjoying the show, Please leave us a review or,

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01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: better yet, send this show to some of your fishing buddies.

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Speaker 1: They will either thank you or cuss you out, so

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Speaker 1: really you win either way, and until next week, thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening and watch your angle.