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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Solid Verbal Hell that.

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Speaker 2: For me, I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 1: I've heard so many players.

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Speaker 2: Say, well, I want to be happy, you want to

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Speaker 2: be happy for a day?

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Speaker 1: Edith Steak is that woo woom? And Dan and Tie

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the Stali Verbal Boys and girls. My name,

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Speaker 1: as always is Ty Hildebrandt. That fine gentleman over there

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Speaker 1: in the heart of the Midwest. Really the heart and

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Speaker 1: soul of the Solid Verbal podcast, the one, the only, still,

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Speaker 1: the incomparable. Dan Rubinstein, sir, welcome back. How goes it?

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Speaker 1: My friend?

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Speaker 2: Glad to be back? Can I ask you a personal question? Always?

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Speaker 2: This has this pertains to the spirit of today's show,

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Speaker 2: the concept of today's show. I know we're going to

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Speaker 2: get into news here in a second, but I want

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Speaker 2: to set the stage. How are you on a high dive?

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Speaker 2: On a high dive?

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Speaker 1: Ye? How high of a dive?

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Speaker 2: So you have your standard wreck pool level high dive?

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Speaker 2: Or if you've ever been on in like a college

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Speaker 2: you know pool area, like the indoor pool where there's

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Speaker 2: the diving team where they've got the what the five

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Speaker 2: seven and a half?

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Speaker 1: And I have no idea what happened? What heights exist.

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Speaker 2: We're just I know there's a ten meter high dive

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Speaker 2: platform dive in the Olympics. I have no idea if

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Speaker 2: that's a college level platform height. But I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you've jumped off a platform. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: you've jumped off of like high rocks somewhere tropical, or

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Speaker 2: just the high dive at a pool. How are you

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Speaker 2: on those placements?

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Speaker 1: Generally not great? Yeah, me too, Yeah, I'm I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: hesitant on the strategy when jumping from that height going

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Speaker 1: into the water.

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Speaker 2: Well, what's your strategy.

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Speaker 1: My strategy is to go either cannonball or pencil.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's no injuries, and it's don't look like an idiot,

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Speaker 2: don't end up on somebody's TikTok or Instagram or YouTube

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Speaker 2: fails comp Right, that's correct, that's really base level. You're

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Speaker 2: just like, Okay, if I do that, if I can

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Speaker 2: avoid that, that's a success.

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Speaker 1: Then you're fine. Exactly.

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Speaker 2: I feel as if right now we are entering the

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Speaker 2: point of the year where everybody's kind of staring down

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Speaker 2: the platform or the high dive, looking at the ladder

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Speaker 2: and saying, okay, it's time once again to face our

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Speaker 2: fears or to thrive, whatever it is, but we got

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Speaker 2: to start climbing that ladder.

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Speaker 1: Ty.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's spring football, whether it's off season conditioning, whether

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Speaker 2: it's summer workouts, whether it's fall camp. What we're doing

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Speaker 2: is we're staring at that ladder, you're climbing, and then

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Speaker 2: the season begins and you're on that platform, you're on

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Speaker 2: that high dive, and everybody's goals are different. There are

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Speaker 2: some people who say, no injuries, some people who say,

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Speaker 2: don't look like an ass. Some people who say, you know,

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Speaker 2: don't flop on my back, don't flop on my stomach.

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Speaker 2: Some people are saying, I'm just looking at clean dive, right,

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Speaker 2: clean dive into the water. Some people are saying, I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm going to do this entrance whatever, highly technical diving terms,

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Speaker 2: and well, what we're here to do today in our

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Speaker 2: proven episode is we are going to say this is

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Speaker 2: what we're looking for from your dive, from your jump, okay,

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Speaker 2: and if you can avoid that moment, look we to

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Speaker 2: tie it together. Mark Rick, Right, Yeah, absolutely, Sterling precise

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Speaker 2: on that high platform, right, just does that lean back

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Speaker 2: into backflip enters cleanly. What a joy it was to

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Speaker 2: high platform. If you can avoid this from the booth,

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Speaker 2: Oh oh what happened? Then that total disaster what he's

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Speaker 2: happening if you can avoid that. So what we're saying

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Speaker 2: is what are our goals for this offseason into the season.

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Speaker 2: say this is what I'm looking for. Oregon, Nebraska, Pitt Miami,

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Speaker 2: and this is the high dive analogy that I kept

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Speaker 1: You need to prove to me that that preamble is

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Speaker 1: going to make this show content worth it. That was

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Speaker 1: quite a setup, Dan Rubinstein, Yes, of course.

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Speaker 2: So that's what today's show is is what do a

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Speaker 2: number of high, medium, perhaps low profile schools have to

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Speaker 2: prove to us tie starting what second basement varsity baseball.

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Speaker 1: That's correct, that's correct.

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Speaker 2: Dan Rubinstein. You can look this up Los Angeles Daily News,

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Speaker 2: all San Fernando Valley, honorable mention Tennis. That's who we

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Speaker 2: are that you need to prove it to us. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Well with all that being said, yeah, we're going to

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Speaker 1: get to prove it. We're also going to go through

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Speaker 1: a little bit of news here. Thank you for stopping

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Speaker 1: we've got bruin here in the guest football offseason without

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Speaker 1: further ado, Dan got a few news bullets that I

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Speaker 1: think we need to dive into. Okay, the fact that

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Speaker 1: Arch Manning opting out of college football twenty five is

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Speaker 1: our lead story tells you pretty much everything you need

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Speaker 1: been so much news. We're neo in the matrix man

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Speaker 1: dodging the bullets with all this news.

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Speaker 1: And finally, thank you, we've arrived at the point where

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Speaker 1: we could talk about players opting out and that being

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Speaker 1: a thing. So for context, College Football twenty five going

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Speaker 1: to be a thing, presumably at some point later this summer.

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Speaker 1: In July. EA Sports provided the numbers a few days ago.

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Speaker 1: Now that they've had over ten thousand college football players

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Speaker 1: in the game is arch Manning. Some interesting interesting commentary

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Speaker 1: have told me Texas redshirt quarterback Arch Manning will not

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Speaker 1: opt into the EA Sports College Football twenty five game.

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Speaker 1: I'm told arch is focused on playing football on the field. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Too locked in, baby, too locked in to sign an

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Speaker 1: And collector six hundred dollars for doing literally nothing. Okay,

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Speaker 1: there's been some commentary on this, and what's arch man

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do what you want, follow your heart.

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Speaker 1: It's his prerogative to do whatever he wants. I did

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Speaker 1: Job, he says, quote, I honestly get this. There's no

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Speaker 1: upside for him. The finances have nothing to do with it.

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Speaker 1: Every little thing about this would be a sideshow, from

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Speaker 1: his rating to people posting about benching Quinn or transferring

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Speaker 1: real player in twenty twenty five. Okay, so that was

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Speaker 1: his take. Again, I respect where he's coming from. I

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Speaker 1: that's the first thing. Yeah. The second thing that I

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Speaker 1: That's only partially true. Arch Manning does not need six

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Speaker 1: I think he's all right here. Arch man does not

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Speaker 1: They're also serving in some capacity as like an ambassador

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Speaker 1: He is looking for more money. Okay, So the upside

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Speaker 1: distractions that come with that, as opposed to you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not gonna I'm not going to overthink what

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Speaker 2: the first letter in NILA's name. He is the most

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Speaker 2: And if he feels or somebody representing him or in

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Speaker 1: You know, do what you got? What a man? Hey?

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Speaker 2: What else? It's not going to affect sales of the

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Speaker 2: game either way. It's not going to be a distraction

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Speaker 1: It's all good, It's all good, all right again early March.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate everybody's take. I just have a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a different one. The other thing that we should mention here,

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Speaker 1: really interesting article dropped on ESPN dot com earlier today.

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Speaker 1: Actually we're recording this on Wednesday afternoon. Chrys Low from

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Speaker 1: ESPN dot com put together the quote how Alabama moved

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Speaker 1: from Nick Saban to Kaylin Debor in forty nine hours. Article.

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Speaker 1: A lot of juicy stuff in here, Yeah, the most

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Speaker 1: I e. Retirement was on his radar. Also, there was

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Speaker 2: So? Oregon on a micro level, they need to do

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Speaker 2: I don't think talent level, there's anything to prove. Oregon's

437
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,120
Speaker 2: in a really nice place. I really think it's Dan

438
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,919
Speaker 2: Lanning in those big, high leverage moments we sought against Washington,

439
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,160
Speaker 2: those fourth downs in the red zone. Up again, it's

440
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 2: the clock at halftime, and we saw how they came

441
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 2: out last year in the Pac twelve championship game, where

442
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 2: it seemed like Washington was just better prepared. They had

443
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 2: a better concept of what Oregon was doing on offense.

444
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 2: It seemed the Washington defense did. They were ready for

445
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,959
Speaker 2: that moment. And so to me, what Oregon needs to

446
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 2: prove is moment readiness. And you can say that like

447
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 2: they're almost weirdly in a Penn State spot where on

448
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,159
Speaker 2: the face it looks like a two game schedule this

449
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 2: year with Michigan and Ohio State. All due respect to

450
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Speaker 2: the rest of Oregon's schedule, Washington looks to be just

451
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 2: a fully different program this year. We'll see what Boise

452
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 2: State looks like. But in terms of the quarterbacks they'll

453
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 2: face and the teams and talent level that are on

454
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:46,919
Speaker 2: the rosters that they'll they'll face, they are a moment

455
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 2: readiness program at this time. And so it's Michigan on

456
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Speaker 2: the road, Ohio State and Eugene. That's what Dan Lanning,

457
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Speaker 2: That's what Oregon because I think they're gonna have dudes

458
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Speaker 2: on both sides of the ball. I think they're gonna

459
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Speaker 2: have all big ten type talent NFL type town developing

460
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: and continue to develop. It's what do they look like?

461
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 2: You know, when it's seventeen thirteen, three minutes before halftime,

462
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 2: down four against Ohio State, it's it's moment readiness.

463
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Speaker 1: And I demand tie eyes on.

464
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:19,120
Speaker 2: An Oregon human. I demand to see that Oregon come

465
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 2: out of these games, even in a losing effort that like.

466
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 2: It wasn't an unprepared to execute. It was just that

467
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 2: team had a killer here and there was nothing any

468
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 2: team in the country could have done about it. And

469
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Speaker 2: I don't necessarily put Will Howard in that category. I

470
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: don't put Alex Orgy whoever ends up starting at Michigan

471
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Speaker 2: in that category. Oregon has every opportunity to prove it

472
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Speaker 2: this year, and that's that last missing thing for them.

473
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that this is not a like for

474
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Speaker 1: like comparison, full disclosure. Oregon needs to prove that it's

475
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Speaker 1: not Texas A and M Northwest Ooh, and what I

476
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 1: mean by the A and M has been winning what

477
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: seven eight games a year? Oregon's clearly been better than that, right,

478
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:13,479
Speaker 1: But just from a recruiting angle, from that side of things,

479
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 1: and how as we know, recruiting shapes expectations. Yeah, Dan

480
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 1: Lanning has kicked up so much dust on the high school,

481
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Speaker 1: on the transfer portal, recruiting fronts. At a minimum, at

482
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Speaker 1: a minimum expectation is what big ten title hunt. Making

483
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Speaker 1: the playoffs, certainly making the playoffs, probably winning a playoff

484
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Speaker 1: game or two.

485
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Speaker 2: I think if they're not an indie, the season's of failure.

486
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Dan Lanning needs to prove that Oregon is not

487
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: simply the latest hype train with big time recruits. Because

488
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: we've seen programs like that come and go. That would

489
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: not be a new occurrence in college football. I don't

490
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: think Oregon is that team. I think Oregon is very

491
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Speaker 1: much built for the long haul. I love Dan Lanning.

492
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Speaker 1: There's a reason everybody wants to higher Dan Landing. I'm

493
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Speaker 1: not so you just concocted an analogy that you don't

494
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: believe in. I'm saying, though they need to prove that. Okay, okay,

495
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: they need to prove as much they need to prove

496
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: Dan Lanning needs to prove that he is the dude

497
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Speaker 1: that he can take those big name recruits and translate

498
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: them into wins, not just double digit wins and not

499
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Speaker 1: beating Liberty in a Fiesta Bowl.

500
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Speaker 2: But let's talk about a playoff. In this case, it's

501
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 2: sticking the landing off of the ten meter platform.

502
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Speaker 1: It would be sticking the landing.

503
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 2: It's the flips, it's the twists, and it's entering the

504
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: water seamlessly with only a few droplets.

505
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt a little I felt a little wrong

506
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: making that comparison to A and M. So I holedge.

507
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Speaker 2: It is because Oregon has that reputation and that's had

508
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 2: that reputation with others right that they're like, okay, they're

509
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 2: a West Coast power, but that next step isn't there.

510
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 2: Even though you know they won Rose Bowls, they won

511
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 2: the Fiest, they won at least a Fiesta Ble. I

512
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 2: think they won right this year and Kansas State way

513
00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 2: back that they're a next step team. They're not just

514
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 2: a regional diving power, they're Olympian hopeful.

515
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: Stopping analogy is so clunky, but yet it is sticking.

516
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 2: It works.

517
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: I can work the sort of sparkle in your eyes.

518
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 1: All right, where do you want to go next?

519
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 2: Let's go Notre Dame. Let's be selfish with this. What

520
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 2: does Notre Dame need to prove to you? Not you'd

521
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 2: never knowledge in the universe with where Notre Dame is,

522
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,479
Speaker 2: how they're built. What do they need to prove, especially

523
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 2: when you look at their twenty twenty four schedule.

524
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Speaker 1: I'm going to focus this solely on Marcus Freeman, and

525
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: Marcus Freeman I think has a lot to prove still,

526
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: but I think the the thing that I think of

527
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: most is that he needs to prove that he can

528
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: feel the playoff caliber offense. This is now, what the

529
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: second straight year where he's gone out and gotten one

530
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: of the best portal quarterbacks last year, Sam Hartman, this year,

531
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: obviously Riley Leonard from Duke to acc guys. Last year

532
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: just wasn't it, man, It wasn't it. The offensive line

533
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: was out of sync. The passing game never fully clicked,

534
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: either because of what Jared Parker was calling, or because

535
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 1: of the line, or because they just didn't have the

536
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: receivers I'll wait for somebody to write that post mortem.

537
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: But the passing game didn't click. The offense ended up

538
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 1: being extremely predictable and focused mostly on what they could

539
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: do on the ground, whether it was Audre Guestime or

540
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: any of the other younger backs that they've got, or

541
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: Sam Hartman running for it on third or fourth and whatever.

542
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: This Mike denbrock Hire needs to work.

543
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 2: Two million dollars a year, but.

544
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: It needs to work for Notre Dame. It needs to

545
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: work for Marcus Freeman. I give Marcus Freeman credit for

546
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: cutting bait. I guess it was Jared Parker taking the

547
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: Troy job. I find it hard to believe that Notre

548
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: Dame didn't help that narrative along a little bit. They

549
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 1: get him out of dodge the little Charlie Mulner treatment.

550
00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: I give Marcus Freeman some credit for recognizing there was

551
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: a deficiency going out there and hiring a guy that

552
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: was not successful the last time he was a Notre

553
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: Dame at least did not exit on great terms after

554
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: a four and eight season, but was obviously very successful

555
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: and proved to some degree that he learned from past

556
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: experiences and built LSU into a pretty good offense this

557
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: past season helped turn Jayden Daniels into Heisman Trophy winning quarterback.

558
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: So I give him credit for kind of recognizing where

559
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: things were, understanding the lay of the land, going out

560
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: there and getting an offensive coordinator who I think is

561
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: compatible with the talent on hand. But he needs to

562
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: prove it again. He needs to prove that he can

563
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: put the offense out there and have it do more

564
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: than it's done the last two seasons, because if he doesn't,

565
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: if he doesn't work kind of right back in square one,

566
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: we're looking at a team that's I think going to

567
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: have a pretty good defense, and we'll have plenty of

568
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: talent up and down the roster, but will remain one

569
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: of those schools that we look at and say, Wow,

570
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: they're good, but they're not great.

571
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Speaker 2: Can I interject my own it to me? Honorable mention?

572
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: Double San Fernando Valley, Riley Leonard that's his name, yes,

573
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 2: Riley Leonard. As they score up quarterback names all off

574
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: season long, I want Mike Denbrock to prove to me

575
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 2: that Riley Leonard is heisman Ish because, unless I'm reading

576
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: this schedule incorrectly, does Notre Dame play a true road

577
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 2: game between September fourteenth and the final game of the year.

578
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: It's advantageous.

579
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: No an actual true road game between mid September and

580
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: USC and LA to finish the year. It's like Navy

581
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: in New Jersey and I think they have Georgia Tech.

582
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: It's in Atlanta, but it's not at Bobby Dodd. It's

583
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 2: not in Georgia Tech's home Stadium's right. It sets up

584
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 2: if I were to tell you, just like, hey, I've

585
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: I just came back from the future. Notre Dame is

586
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: legit good. They should win eleven games. Florida State's in

587
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 2: South Bend.

588
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got the game on the road to Kyle

589
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: Field week one. Yeah, they've got a road trip to

590
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: Purdue week three. But otherwise, yeah, sort of quasi neutral

591
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: site game on the road at Georgia Tech middle of October,

592
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: the Navy game in New Jersey, Army in the Bronx

593
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: at USC to close out the season.

594
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 2: They don't play a true road game, and there's an

595
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 2: asteris to the Georgia Tech in Atlanta, but still they're

596
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: not in a college an opposing college stadium between September

597
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: fourteenth and November whatever. Right for USC, Right, I think

598
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 2: Mike Denbrock legitimately needs to prove to me that Riley

599
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: Leonard can be a heisman ish. I'm not talking about

600
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: New York. I'm just saying, like, hey, it's Halloween. Here's

601
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: like the Stu Mandel or whoever, Danny Knell. I don't

602
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: know why that name came up, strapol right, Like, I

603
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: just want Riley Leonard in that conversation. If they're paying

604
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: Mike Denbrock the money they're paying him, and that schedule

605
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 2: looks like it looks Florida State with a number of

606
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: new pieces on both sides of the ball, show me

607
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: it's all right, where you want to go next?

608
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: What does Colorado need to prove to you, to us,

609
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: to itself.

610
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: So Colorado goes four and eight. Last year, they've got

611
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: the close win against ASU, the close win against Colorado,

612
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: stay close win against TCU, and comfortable win against Nebraska

613
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 2: that was probably like the high point of the season.

614
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 2: I want two three double digit wins from Colorado this year.

615
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: I want them to look more capable for four straight quarters.

616
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: I want them to go to a team on the

617
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: road at home. It doesn't matter to me, Like Colorado

618
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: is clearly better than this team and they won thirty

619
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: three to twenty. I want more of that from Colorado.

620
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: I want you to prove that Shador Sanders can stay

621
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: upright for a season, that he is not just going

622
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: to be wave after wave of pass rush. Because that

623
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 2: offensive line was a nightmare last year. You need to

624
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: prove that along the line of scrimmage, new position coaches, coordinators,

625
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: everything has changed behind the scenes at Colorado over the

626
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: course of yet another off season. They have to look

627
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: the part like it's one thing that you know, to

628
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: have the number one transfer portal rankings, just in terms

629
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 2: of pure numbers, like who's actually in those uniforms, they

630
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: might look the parketing off the bus, but on the field,

631
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 2: even in what should be an easier conference for Colorado, Yeah.

632
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: Schedule starts real quick, it starts. Well, here's the thing

633
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: about Colorado. Okay, Colorado's got to make a bull. Yeah,

634
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: they've got to make a bull, and they need to

635
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: more importantly show something of an upward trajectory, something that

636
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: fuels more high school and portal recruiting, because what's going

637
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: to happen after twenty twenty four is both Shador Sanders

638
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: and Travis Hunter are gone they're going to the NFL. Yeah,

639
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: right now, those are the two guys that I think

640
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: are the biggest catalysts for this team. They're the engine.

641
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: Dion needs more guys like that, and he needs them quickly.

642
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: And so, for as polarizing as I think the approach

643
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: has been, and certainly for as cynical as most of

644
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: college football media tended to be as this was going

645
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: down in the early part of last season in September

646
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: when Colorado was all the rage, I think we need

647
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: more of the coach Prime factor. We need more of

648
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: the making Boulder feel like it's the most important place

649
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: on Earth, much the way like Pete Carroll did back

650
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: in the day with making USC feel star studded. Yeah,

651
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: as they won actual games, as it won actual games,

652
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: and of course it helped that they were in LA

653
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: to begin with, right, But I think we need more

654
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: of that from Coach Prime on top of some actual

655
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: on field results to continue stoking the fire, building up

656
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: that engine to hopefully turn this into something that is

657
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: more than just one and done's every year. Right, They

658
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: need to build something that is sustainable in Boulder, And

659
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: so how do you start that. Obviously, he's got the charisma. Obviously,

660
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: he's been able to turn that into much more of

661
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: a story than anybody saw coming. Now it needs on

662
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: field results. Just show upward trajectory, show forward momentum so

663
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 1: that you have something to build on after those guys

664
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: walk out. I think it's sort of proving that they

665
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 1: can do the really boring things right. The exciting things

666
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: are there, some of the recruiting wins are there. Right.

667
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: They get a big splash with a big offensive lineman

668
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: committing on TV, Jordan Seaton, I think, the five star

669
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: from IMG and they out recruit Oregon and Tennessee and

670
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 2: Maryland and they land that guy. The splash, you know,

671
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: Travis Hunter, two Ways, Schadora Sanders and the Sanders brothers

672
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 2: and Dion and TV. Like they're doing the exciting things.

673
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 2: They're getting on Fox. They're having the Fox pregame show

674
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: on campus. You know what the boring stuff is, converting

675
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: third and three, The boring stuff, building up depth in

676
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: your linebacking core, the boring stuff keeping a coaching staff

677
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: together for two years. The boring stuff not choking away

678
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 2: a game that should be winnable when you're up twenty

679
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: nine to nothing at halftime. The boring stuff is what

680
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: I think is the difference that doesn't exist in Colorado

681
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: right now, That's what they need to prove that they're

682
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: able to they're capable of the boring If we're.

683
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: Talking about choking away games, that's perfect segue to talk

684
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: about the Miami Hurricanes and Mario Cristobal Dan Rubinstein. I

685
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: came up with this question when I was going through

686
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: and trying to form an opinion on Miami and what

687
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: it needs to prove this year. You would know the

688
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: answer to this better than me. Has Mario Cristobal ever

689
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: had a quarterback that he made better.

690
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: Personally? Has he ever had a quarterback that has gotten

691
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 2: better he Has he ever coached a quarterback that at

692
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 2: the end of that quarterback's run you said, wow, that

693
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: that quarterback.

694
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: Improved under Mario's watch.

695
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: No, but there are I think, to be fair to

696
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 2: Mario and the teams he coached, like, there's a lot

697
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 2: out of his hands and there's a lot in his hands.

698
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: Right He's the one responsible for coordinators, He's the one

699
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 2: responsible for high leverage moments, fourth downs, red zone stuff,

700
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: and you know general vision foreign offense as a head coach,

701
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: and so justin Herbert had incredible moments with Mario Christabal.

702
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 2: I'm just playing devil's advocate here. Didn't necessarily get better.

703
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 2: But in dealing with the situation where Willie Taggart leaves

704
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: after year, where Mark Helfrich, who recruited him, gets fired

705
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: after a year with him after his freshman year, that

706
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 2: it was just progress was never going to be exactly linear.

707
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 2: For Justin Herbert, TVD showed some tendencies that were less

708
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: than stellar and was coming off, you know, injury. I

709
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: believe when Mario Cristobal took over got hurt pretty early on.

710
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: That's not on Mario Cristabal that I know of. He's

711
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 2: been nicked up.

712
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: The last couple of years now.

713
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 2: So dealing with backup quarterbacks, dealing with guys in and

714
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 2: out of lineups, dealing with you know, a lot of

715
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 2: transfers out, a lot of transfers, and like I wouldn't

716
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 2: characterize the last three four years of Mario Cristaball's head

717
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: coaching tenure both at Miami in Oregon with the term

718
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 2: stability necessarily no.

719
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: So I guess where I'm going with this is if

720
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: we're talking about what programs in this case, what a

721
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: coach needs to prove yeah, it is. This not the

722
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 1: moment for Mario Cristobal to prove that he can get

723
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: the most out of a.

724
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 2: Quarterback because it is cam Ward's. Cam Ward's is an

725
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 2: NFL prospect.

726
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: The only reason he didn't leave is probably because he

727
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been wouldn't have been drafted high enough to

728
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 1: justify it. But he very much has designs on going

729
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: to the NFL in the twenty twenty five draft. Mario

730
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: needs to prove that he's not going to screw up

731
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: cam Ward first and foremost, and I think he needs

732
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: to prove that he can make him better. He needs

733
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: to prove that Miami can be a destination for players

734
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: of that ilk who want to come and want to

735
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: play at the next level, because that has really been

736
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: sort of an achilles heel the first two seasons for

737
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: the Miami Hurricanes. I think we saw improvement last year.

738
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: I'm not going to dunk on what he's trying to

739
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: build down there. I think it did get better, but

740
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 1: it still was average, and certainly the quarterback position remains

741
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: a giant open question in Coral Gables. They need to

742
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: get better at that position. Cam Ward gives them an

743
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: opportunity to do so, it's an open question to me

744
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: as to whether or not Mario, crystal Ball and the

745
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: staff in place can get the most out of camp board.

746
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: So growing offensive line, you know, young, growing team in

747
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 2: terms of age, right things have been young and inexperienced

748
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: on that roster these past couple of years. I just

749
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 2: think for Miami right now, it's the end of like

750
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 2: the excuse period. We're talking about three portal classes, three

751
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: high school classes, although obviously the first one was a

752
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 2: last second class, and so we're talking about Mario players

753
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 2: being upper classmen ish and so to me, it's just

754
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 2: going to be like a culture vision, day to day thing,

755
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 2: like no game's off, no quarters off, no has off,

756
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 2: no series is off, no high leverage moment, What the

757
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: hell are you doing at the end of this game off?

758
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 2: And so for some of the forward steps Miami took

759
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: last year, and they returned what a thousand yard receiver

760
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: in Xavier Ristrepo, Like, there are pieces there. The running

761
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: game was fine last year, wasn't dominant, but you could

762
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: see progress. They lose key players on defense, whatever prove

763
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 2: it is just every week everybody's on the same page.

764
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 2: The coaching staff is on the same page. You're not

765
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: making dumb mistakes and the vision is there, and the

766
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 2: vision is not you know, wandered away from and it's

767
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 2: prove that you are capable of leading a winning program.

768
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: Then go nine and three and absolutely prove it. But

769
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: at this point, like it's the same thing with Dion Sanders,

770
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: Like a big win for Miami is us just not

771
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 2: talking about Mario Christibal. A big win for us with

772
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: Colorado is just like, oh man, look at this guy

773
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 2: who stepped up on defense. Look at this receiver who's

774
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: like an absolute killer for Colorado. Like, the less we

775
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: talk about Deon Sanders, the less we talk about Mario Christibal,

776
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 2: the better for both of these places.

777
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: I feel like Mario has built up a pretty good

778
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: base of talent. It has improved since he got there.

779
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: That is one of the selling points for hiring this

780
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: guy to begin with. He is a dogged recruiter banging

781
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 1: on the defensive line. Yeah, he is a very, very

782
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: talented recruiter. He's always been so. Talent acquisition is not

783
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: so much the issue assembling those pieces, getting the most

784
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: out of those pieces is where we're at. I agree,

785
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: it is the end of the excuse hero up. If

786
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: you're a Miami football fan and you want to see

787
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 1: some results and not lose to Rutgers in a bowl game,

788
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: presumably can.

789
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: We stay in the ACC Sure? Can we talk about

790
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 2: your pit Panthers, my pit Panthers. I know you've got

791
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 2: a secret soft spot. Ty, don't deny it, don't deny it.

792
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: Yes, I do have a secret sauce spot for Okay, Panthers.

793
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: I love the baby Blues. I can for the Baby Blues.

794
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: So this so my prove it for Pitt is just

795
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: it's probably a neon sign in Vegas that reads dudes, dudes, dudes. Okay, yeah, okay, sure,

796
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: I looked at and look. Pitt's twenty twenty three was

797
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: an absolute Nightmarew's disaster from offensive coordinator offensive line was

798
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: one of the worst in America, which is very strange

799
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 2: to say about Pitt. Uh philder Kovic was a disaster.

800
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 2: Everything just did not work out for Pitt. The thing

801
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: that surprised me is I figured Pitt was in a

802
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 2: place roster wise because of how often they tended to

803
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 2: put defensive backs in the NFL via the draft, how

804
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: often they seem to develop good offensive linemen, good running backs.

805
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 2: You go back to the season and like I was

806
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, the Kadri Darren Hall like names

807
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: that we love guys talking dudes, some deep cuts. Do

808
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: you know how many all ACC players they had last year,

809
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: like first, second, third team, they had one one like

810
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 2: there wasn't like a straggling left guard who happened to

811
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: be awesome, but they couldn't work around him. I think

812
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 2: it was just MJ. Devonshire, who was either a second

813
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 2: or third round All ACC corner who's no longer there

814
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 2: by the way, not there anymore, right, And so it's

815
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 2: just like for so long, Pitt and maybe this is

816
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 2: a result of like the portal era whatever, But for

817
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 2: so long Pitt had such a great eye of finding guys,

818
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,919
Speaker 2: finding offensive linemen in particular up front, they were very good,

819
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 2: right dudes, dudes, dudes, defensive lineman, game changing NFL caliber

820
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: guys for Pitt. They didn't exist last year for Pitt.

821
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 2: And so they hire a new offensive coordinator, Cae Bell

822
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 2: from Western Carolina. I believe it's now Nate Yarnell's team,

823
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,959
Speaker 2: who showed some promise at the end of last year.

824
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 2: So the changes are there. There seems to be a

825
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: fresh start situation. But like the prove it to me

826
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 2: with Pitt is their schedule kind of rules. You can

827
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 2: pull it up as I'm talking, but like I've got it,

828
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 2: I've got it. Here does their schedule full on rule?

829
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: I think it does. If our memory serves.

830
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: It's extremely workable. In September and October. Yeah, it gets

831
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: real in November. They've got back to back games home

832
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: against Clemson on the road at Lolllyville back to back weeks.

833
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: But if Pitt can get back to building, let's just

834
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: focus on one of the two lines.

835
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

836
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: If Pitt can get back to building a very good,

837
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: solid patent Ardouzi style defensive line, it's seven and five,

838
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: eight and four with the schedule. With this schedule, it's

839
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: seven and five or eight and four.

840
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

841
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: I think pat Nardouzi needs to prove that the bone

842
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: of contention he seemingly has with the state of college

843
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: football right with the portal and recruiting and nil.

844
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: It can't carry over to the locker room.

845
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: He needs to prove that that is not a self

846
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: fulfilling prophecy. Because if Pitt gets back to being Pitt

847
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 1: and not a hollowed out version of itself like we've

848
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: seen the last two years. Then they're very serviceable in

849
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: the ACC. Then they are competitive. Then they are frankly

850
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: a paid in the ass to go up against because

851
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: they're just solid. But you can kind of draw a

852
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: bit of a downward trend line ever since Kenny Pickett

853
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: walked out the door. And that's what I'm worried about.

854
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: What they need to prove I think this season is

855
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: that they can reverse that trend. They can reverse that trend.

856
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: They can get back to being what they have been

857
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: and what has made I think patn Erdusi a very

858
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: successful college football coach, and that is finding those guys

859
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: that is building from the inside out, that is just

860
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: being that pain in the ass, that team that is

861
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 1: very very solid, right, not always gonna win ten games,

862
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: but certainly the kind of team that can knock you off,

863
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: that puts the fear of God into you, and is

864
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: competitive week in and week out. And they just weren't that.

865
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 2: They were full out and competent last year. They were,

866
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 2: They were they And it's again I'm going to echo

867
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 2: the wise Dan Rubinstein. Dudes, dudes, dude, look where is

868
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh geographically located like kind of a secretly ideal place. Right,

869
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh is right on the border of correct me if

870
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 2: I'm wrong, Pittsburgh and Ohio high school players. Western Pa

871
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 2: is a very quiet hotbed for quality football players. The

872
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: whole state of Pennsylvania is Ohio. Absolutely. You can find

873
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 2: Jordan Addison. You can find is the Abanacanada. You can

874
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 2: find Brian O'Neil. You can find all these guys. It's

875
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 2: proved to me, pat Nardoozy answer to me, Los Angeles

876
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: Daily News honorable mention doubles, prove to me the fire's

877
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 2: still there. Yeah, I want to say, I want to

878
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 2: see those duraflame logs in the office. Ty not a sponsor,

879
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: could be. That's the proven thing, Right, is the fire

880
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 2: still with patent Ardoozy to find and develop those guys?

881
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: I hope.

882
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: So it kind of is an open question for me.

883
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 1: It kind of is an open question because when guys

884
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: start talking and expressing frustrations publicly in a man or

885
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: that he has. I mean, look, we're all all in

886
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: favor of patent Ardoozy, who gives approximately zero fs. I

887
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: love this version of this coach at this time we

888
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: need a guy who's a counterbalance to all of you

889
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: know what, I think the networks are trying to sell us.

890
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: It's not all peaches and dreams. But is he still

891
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: in this to win it? Like? What is the state

892
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: of patent Ardoozy right now?

893
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 2: I'll bet patent Ardoozy is great in a hotel bar ah.

894
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, reality is he'll never be on game day. No,

895
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 2: but I kind of hope he is.

896
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: He'd be great. He'd be great. Let's run out the

897
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: a SEC. What's Florida State need to prove to you now?

898
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: It's like Florida State ascends to that playoff caliber level

899
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 2: and certainly a twelve team playoff caliber level. Now it's

900
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 2: the sustaining Now, it's the not have a gap year now,

901
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: it's not dipping with no Jared Verse, Johnny Wilson, Keon Coleman,

902
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 2: Trey Benson, certainly Jordan Travis right that a lot of

903
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: star power is gone. And like I look at the

904
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: start of their schedule, I think it's the first five

905
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 2: or six games again, pull it up whenever you'd like. Sure,

906
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: Florida State should absolutely make DJU and fool America into

907
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 2: thinking DJU as heisman Ish through the first month, month

908
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 2: and a half.

909
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: Boston College, Memphis cal SMU and then Clemson to start off.

910
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: Oh and Georgia Tech, Georgia Tech in week zero.

911
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: Excuse me, right, but what and Georgia Tech I think

912
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 2: will be feisting interesting this year. But Dj, he's been

913
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 2: in college a long time. Receiver are gonna look very new.

914
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 2: What's Malik Benson coming over from Alabama? The star power

915
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 2: isn't there, receiver, at least the obvious returning star power

916
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 2: isn't there. But he should be so good. And it's

917
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: what Roydell Williams, Lawrence to Opheli is still there in

918
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 2: the backfield whatever. I'm just naming names at this point,

919
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 2: but like they should be annihilating teams that first month

920
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 2: of the year. You need to prove that you're just

921
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: not skipping a beat with a bunch of new names.

922
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: When I thought about Florida State within the construct of

923
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: our little game here, the thing that I kept coming

924
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: back to was proving it without Jordan Travis. And I

925
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: say that because Jordan Travis had been there, he was

926
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: in on the ground floor when Mike Norvel came over

927
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: for a long time. Was overlooked as a guy who

928
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: could be the starting quarterback and get results. Grew into

929
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: that role I think improved. For sure, improved over the

930
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: time that he was in Tallahassee, but moreover was a

931
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: really important glue guy for that team. Know, kind of

932
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: represented the culture that Norvelle was trying to build and

933
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: had been through it with norvel and so to have

934
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: him have that experience, frankly a lot of experience leaving.

935
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: We saw what that version of Florida State looked like

936
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 1: in the Bowl game against Georgia. That's not an easy

937
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,479
Speaker 1: task for norvel to have to rebuild. Now. I don't

938
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: have any indications that he can't rebuild because recruiting has

939
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: been strong. He is one of those hold on He

940
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: is one of those guys that I hold up as

941
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: a really good example of someone who knows how to

942
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: balance high school with portal recruiting. Sure, right, so what

943
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: he maybe lacks on one side of that equation he

944
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: makes up for with the other and vice versa. I

945
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: think he's a really good coach. I think he's done

946
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: a good job of assembling talent in the short time he's

947
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: been there. But how he does so now in twenty

948
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: four and beyond knowing that there is so much leaving,

949
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 1: I think will be a really a really big up

950
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 1: in question for me that I believe he will prove

951
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: in due time, but would not surprise me if Florida

952
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: State is not an eleven win team this Sea season,

953
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: even with this schedule. It's just it might take a

954
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: minute for them to get back to where they were.

955
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Florida State, though the prove it to me.

956
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 2: I think you alluded to with the recruiting. They finished

957
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 2: number ten high school class this past year. I think

958
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 2: that's how twenty four to seven refers to it, but

959
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 2: number sixteen last year. Florida State should be in a

960
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 2: position to be a huge beneficiary of no Nick Saban. Yeah,

961
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 2: Mario Cristobal an excellent recruiter, but also he's not really

962
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 2: going to attract, to your point, the best of the

963
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 2: best quarterback wise, Florida is in a very strange place

964
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 2: obviously right now. To say, to be kind to the

965
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 2: situation in Gainesville, like there should be it should be

966
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 2: a lap situation where Florida State should be able to

967
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 2: take advantage and become the number seven Class six class

968
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 2: somewhere in there. Maybe not the heights of to where

969
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 2: Jimbo had them in the recruiting class conversation, but they

970
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: should be a vacuum team right now with how some

971
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 2: of you know, Clemson recruiting has fallen off a little

972
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 2: bit like there has been a power shift right now

973
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 2: in the Southeast. And prove to me, Florida State that

974
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 2: not only can you stick the landing, but you're putting

975
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 2: in those hours figuring out your twists and flips and

976
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 2: everything like that off the high board, off the high platform,

977
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 2: so that that to me is sort of an off

978
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 2: off field.

979
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: Prove it. Let's talk about Florida actually bring up locators.

980
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: Did you look at Florida's schedule at all?

981
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 2: It's not if they don't start the season six and

982
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 2: one a toast absolutely.

983
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: So we talk about the December to Remember often. Yeah,

984
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: let's talk about a November to remember for Florida football.

985
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 1: These are the teams that they play in the month

986
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: of November. You're ready, Yeah, Georgia at Texas home against

987
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: LSU home against Old Miss at Florida State to close

988
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: out the season. On top of that, which is just

989
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 1: in the month of November. Yeah, I also have the

990
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: aforementioned Miami hurricanes. Week one, They've got A and M

991
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: in week three, They've got Tennessee and Kentucky in the

992
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: middle of October, Florida and Billy Napier obviously getting the

993
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: short end of the stick with this SEC schedule. This

994
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: is a murderer's row that they're going to have to

995
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: contend with later in the year. Billy Napier needs to

996
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: prove that he's got this program going in a good direction,

997
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 1: much to the point that I made earlier with Dion

998
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 1: Sanders at Colorado, proving that you can build that momentum

999
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: that tends to lead you down a more fruitful path.

1000
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: I just don't see how you do it with this schedule.

1001
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to write them off. It's only March,

1002
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: but man, I'm looking at this. This is a brutal schedule.

1003
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 1: All of these teams here in the month of November.

1004
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: Maybe with the exception of Florida State. I don't know

1005
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: what that's going to look like because there is a

1006
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,240
Speaker 1: fair amount of attrition there. But I mean Georgia, Texas,

1007
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,959
Speaker 1: LSU Old right now, with what I'm looking at, those

1008
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: all look like losses to me. There's very little wiggle

1009
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: room for Billy Napier. I think to stay on in twenty.

1010
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 2: Five and they what they open with Miami, but that's

1011
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 2: at home in Gainesville, so it's cam Ward in the

1012
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 2: swamp for the first time. That could be very tricky's

1013
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 2: that could be a nice advantage more experienced for Graham

1014
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 2: Mertz in that kind of venue. Yeah, I mean, you know, look,

1015
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 2: you look specifically at what Florida lacked last year defensively whatever.

1016
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 2: They's got to tackle people, right, they just have to

1017
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 2: tackle people. You got to prove that you can tackle

1018
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: people on offense. You got to prove that you can

1019
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 2: find somebody and develop somebody to take the top off

1020
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 2: of a defense. Ricky Piarsal was really good. He's gone, yeah,

1021
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 2: and I'm going to get a little crass here, ty,

1022
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 2: but you look at how they finished the year last year.

1023
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 2: They look you look at how they're going to have

1024
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 2: to finish the year this year, and you look at

1025
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 2: specifically the Arkansas and Miszoo games last year. They're going

1026
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:54,919
Speaker 2: to need to be the Peter North team of the year.

1027
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 2: We're going to need a lot better, stronger and more

1028
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 2: robust finished is Florida. Sorry, I gave you a warning, right,

1029
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 2: don't gave you the crass warning.

1030
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 1: But like google that, don't google that.

1031
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 2: You don't have to google that or google that on

1032
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 2: your own time, not on your family's time. That the

1033
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 2: effort at the end of the Arkansas game the position

1034
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 2: to just get us stop. And I think they were

1035
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 2: one of the worst teams at getting off the field

1036
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 2: last year against Miszoo when Harrison MeVis the kicker for

1037
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 2: Mazoo chomping at the end of that they drive sixty

1038
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 2: or so yards to get into field goal position to

1039
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 2: win that game. At the gun, like I just prove

1040
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 2: that you can be locked in, prove that you can

1041
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 2: be bought in. Prove that. And it's a similar thing

1042
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 2: with Miami that you're just you're there every second of

1043
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 2: the game to win. And uh, you gotta do it

1044
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 2: quickly again because you got to start six and one.

1045
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 2: You just have to against the schedule.

1046
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: They have a lot to it. Naype your's got a

1047
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: lot to prove, yeah, and I just it's gonna be

1048
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,439
Speaker 1: really hard to prove against that schedule. Yeah, it's gonna

1049
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: be really Let's stay in the SEC place, Let's go

1050
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 1: on the other side of the SEC now, Oklahoma fascinating team.

1051
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: Oklahoma needs to prove that the move to the SEC

1052
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: wasn't a mistake. Okay, it needs to prove it on

1053
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: the field. They need to prove it clearly. The business

1054
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 1: end of the conversation is a different thing. That's self explanatory.

1055
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: They're getting more money, we understand all that. But there

1056
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: is a very very good chance that Oklahoma is going

1057
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: to play at least five top ten teams this year.

1058
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: They've got Texas Red River Shootout, They've got Old Miss Missoo, Alabama, LSU.

1059
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: That's in addition to Tennessee and Auburn. That is an

1060
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: absolute murderers row. It is not a big twelve schedule.

1061
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 1: That is a big boy SEC schedule.

1062
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 2: Don't they have one? Do they not have the flagship

1063
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 2: University of Maine on the schedule as they do they

1064
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 2: Black Bears?

1065
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: They do have the Black Bears. Is the very ferocious

1066
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:54,760
Speaker 1: black Bear mascot.

1067
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, another team that the back half of the schedule

1068
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 2: specifically right yeahhome and not main Yeah, brutal.

1069
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: And So I just think, because I know there has

1070
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: been this narrative out there that opposing fan basis have

1071
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: had a lot of fun with Frankly, I know that

1072
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: there is going to be added focus on whether or

1073
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: not Oklahoma looks competitive in these games and looks like

1074
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: they belong on the same field as SEC counterparts. Yeah,

1075
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: it may take them a little bit to kind of

1076
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: acclimate to that culture, acclimate to that competitive environment. Because

1077
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: it's not the Big Twelve, it is going to be

1078
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: more difficult. The schedule is extremely challenging. They've got a

1079
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: new quarterback now in Jackson Arnold, who I think look

1080
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: good in limited action. I turnover prone prone a ball game,

1081
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,479
Speaker 1: it's a bowl game a bowl game, But I think

1082
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot to like about Jackson Arnold, and certainly

1083
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: a lot to like about band Ventables making the defense better.

1084
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: Still recruiting at a very high level. I don't have

1085
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: a reason to think that Oklahoma's going to go out

1086
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 1: there and get blown off the field. I don't believe

1087
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: that's going to be the case. But this is definitely

1088
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: a step up in terms of competition, and so there's

1089
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: a lot to prove on the venable side of this,

1090
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: to prove that you can do what needs to be

1091
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: done to win with this being your competition.

1092
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot to prove from Seth Latrelle

1093
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 2: hasn't called an offense in quite some time, in about

1094
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 2: a decade. You go back to I think it was

1095
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, a great North Carolina offense. So that's Marquise

1096
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 2: Williams and Elijah Hood, I believe if I'm getting my

1097
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 2: years correct here, and they were pretty close to winning

1098
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 2: the ACC in that close game against Clemson. So he

1099
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 2: hasn't called an offense in quite some time. Obviously the

1100
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 2: connection and he was there last year, I believe as

1101
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 2: an analyst, but that's an open question to me when

1102
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 2: you have a new full time coordinator that you have

1103
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 2: a quarterback that you were willing to part with your

1104
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 2: All Big twelve quarterback, you know, first I think he

1105
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,959
Speaker 2: was unanimous still and Gabriel unanimous All Big twelve first

1106
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 2: team quarterback last year. That like a lot is being

1107
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 2: put on Jackson Arnold with what's looking like a rebuilt

1108
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 2: offensive line, looking like not a ton of star power

1109
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 2: at receiver. There's a lot to prove to me from

1110
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 2: Jackson Arnold that he's so good that it was worth

1111
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 2: and is worth what that roster is going to look like.

1112
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 2: And that not to mention, you know, they make the

1113
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 2: change a defensive coordinator, and I think they're going to.

1114
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: Continue to improve there. But man, that's schedule. It's tough.

1115
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: It's really tough. It's if you're.

1116
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 2: Year three, this is this is the approved year for

1117
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 2: every coach, and.

1118
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: It's approved year for everybody in year three. It is

1119
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: a great time among many reasons. Let's say I'm not

1120
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: high on Oklahoma State, but if you're an Oklahoma State

1121
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: fan rooting against your rival, these are high times in

1122
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: a sense, sure, because Oklahoma is going to have to

1123
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: go through it this year and would not surprise me

1124
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: if there are multiple losses, more than they're used to. Yeah,

1125
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: I agree, that's okay. Should we finish it? We've got

1126
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: five more teams here. Yeah, let's finish them out. Let's

1127
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: do it, and let's stick in the SEC.

1128
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 2: I'm ready.

1129
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: Let's talk about LSU. I'll tell us you have.

1130
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 2: To prove defense, defense, defense, defense, defense, defense. Garrett nus

1131
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 2: Meyer has to throw it to consistently players wearing purple

1132
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 2: and gold. I think that's a prove it thing. That

1133
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 2: he's finally having his opportunity, he's finally getting to relish

1134
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 2: the opportunity to have a premium job in the sport,

1135
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 2: and recruiting at receiver has been Their offensive line has

1136
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 2: improved over the past couple of years, but it's to

1137
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 2: prevent the sloppiness. It is fix everything that fell out

1138
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 2: into quickstand last year with this team and prove that again.

1139
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 2: This is another Nick Saban vacuum team that even though

1140
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 2: Brian Kelly beat Alabama in year one, you have so

1141
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 2: much good momentum in terms of star power with Harold

1142
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 2: Perkins emerging obviously Jaden Daniels might be the second overall

1143
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 2: pick in this year's NFL draft. So many good things

1144
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 2: emerging from the early goings on with Brian Kelly, but

1145
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 2: defensive recruiting, defensive development around Harold Perkins, like it is

1146
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 2: an emergency situation, Lis, you should never have anything less

1147
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 2: than a pretty good defense, and it was very much

1148
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 2: less than not a take at all now last year.

1149
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 2: So that's the proven element that like, there is a

1150
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 2: huge open window for LSU's ascendants this year and Brian

1151
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 2: Kelly needs to prove that he can sort of fix everything,

1152
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 2: obviously making a change of defensive coordinator, but there's a

1153
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 2: lot of good offensive players on this schedule for ls.

1154
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: I think this is a year where Brian Kelly proves

1155
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: that he's worth the investment. Okay, it's been noted that

1156
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: he's a very good CEO type quote unquote CEO coach.

1157
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:56,479
Speaker 1: What does that mean? Well, successful coaches, at least ones

1158
01:00:56,520 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: with longevity, are used to taking all of these changes

1159
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: in stride. Ook at Nick Saban at staff turnover every

1160
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: single season. BKA has not had to deal with it

1161
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: quite on that level, but he's mostly been very very

1162
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: good at adapting on the fly, hiring guys, making changes

1163
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 1: as needed, incrementally getting better over the course of his stay.

1164
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: Job One this offseason, you mentioned it, fix the defense,

1165
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: so they get rid of Matt House. They bring down

1166
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 1: Blake Baker from a zoo, young guy forty one, bit

1167
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: of a splash hire Yeah, paid him a ton of

1168
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 1: money poaching him away from a zoo a great move.

1169
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: Promoted Joe Sloan from within to offensive coordinator after Mike

1170
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: den Brock left to go back up to Notre Dame.

1171
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: What we have not seen BK do is prove that

1172
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 1: he can be an effective CEO, prove that he can

1173
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: absorb those kinds of staff changes and that need to adapt.

1174
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: While in the SEC, I feel like He's proven it

1175
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: everywhere everywhere else. Yeah, proving it on this level in

1176
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: the SEC as the conference gets harder, as your Heisman

1177
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: Trophy winning quarterback leaves, and as you're changing a lot

1178
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: around the program. Proving it on this level, I think

1179
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: is something that we have not seen from him. I

1180
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: have every reason to believe that he can and will

1181
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 1: do it, because there is a lot of talent there,

1182
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: and I believe he's a good coach. I believe he

1183
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: is worth that investment. I agree, and certainly the guys

1184
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: that he is plugging in, Blake Baker, Joe Sloan's a

1185
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: big time up and comer in the college ranks. Certainly

1186
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 1: he's got enough AMMO there to do it, but we

1187
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 1: need to see it. Schedules spaced out pretty nicely, by

1188
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 1: the way. Yeah, you can make some hay with the

1189
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 1: schedule if you're BK. But there's there's a lot that

1190
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,919
Speaker 1: needs to be resolved, and not the least of which

1191
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: is moving Harold Perkins back to his rightful position.

1192
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 2: Well, I think what is his natural position is the question. Like,

1193
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 2: he was kind of an edge rusher spy his freshman

1194
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 2: year and then he was moved off of the line

1195
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 2: of scrimmage last year and that was like caused an uproar,

1196
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 2: and they've kind of said stay there.

1197
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: I just think they they realize and I've listened to

1198
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 1: plenty of comments from b K in the off season,

1199
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: they recognize that one of their big things that they

1200
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: need to resolve on the defensive side of the ball

1201
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 1: is putting Harold Perkins in the position where he can

1202
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: actually make an impact.

1203
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 2: Okay, I agree.

1204
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: They know that, they know that and they need to

1205
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: put him in those in those spots this coming season.

1206
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: They need to prove that they can do that too.

1207
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 2: What's what's Ari's favorite term? They need to prove that

1208
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 2: that defense can stop playing grab ass?

1209
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: Is that? Yeah?

1210
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's That's a way to summarize.

1211
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: We've got Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Utah left here. Dan

1212
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: longer show than usual, but I feel like we're really

1213
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 1: getting to the nitty gritty of it here in the offseason.

1214
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 2: Go ahead, you want to go Nebraska, Yeah, block somebody.

1215
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: Block somebody that's a big one. Block four Dylan Ryola,

1216
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:58,439
Speaker 1: make his career worthwhile. Protect him at all costs. They

1217
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: need to prove that there is a vision that they

1218
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: can execute on. They need to prove that the vision

1219
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: is not just limited to Dylan Reyla and what Matt

1220
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: Rule his emojipedia on social media, like. They need to

1221
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: prove that it's got more teeth than that year one

1222
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: was bad. Still not as bad as it could have

1223
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: been or as we thought it might be. Five and

1224
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 1: seven is okay. Five and said it was not pretty

1225
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 1: and it was mostly because of their defense and the

1226
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: Big Ten West schedule, which never hurts. The schedule is

1227
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: much harder this year. Though. I don't want to say

1228
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,919
Speaker 1: it's bull or bust for Matt Rule in Nebraska. I

1229
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: I don't believe that's the case quite yet. But Matt

1230
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: Rule has been able to cultivate an optimism around this program,

1231
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 1: or at least around the future version of this program

1232
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: that I think Nebraska fans, at least the ones that

1233
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 1: we've talked to, are still very keen on. There is

1234
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: an expiration date though, on enthusiasm in college football, as

1235
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: you know, starting a true freshman in Dylan Rayl, which

1236
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: appears like it will be the case that will buy

1237
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: you sometime. They brought over guys via the transfer portal

1238
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: last year that didn't play much along the line that

1239
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: we certainly need to see out there and being productive

1240
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 1: this year to feel better about that future state of

1241
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 1: this program. I just think it's probably not going to

1242
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 1: happen this year, but we need to see some continued

1243
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: improvement to kind of warrant all of this enthusiasm around

1244
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: that program, because there's a lot of it. There's more

1245
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: now than there's been in a long time. We need

1246
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 1: to see something for that emotional investment, If that makes sense.

1247
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 2: I agree. I think Matt Rules just needs to prove

1248
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 2: he knows what he's doing because the biggest issue with

1249
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 2: this Nebraska team came on offense. And you bring in

1250
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 2: the coordinator they bring in, you bring in the quarterback

1251
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 2: transfer they bring in last year, Like, I'm not positive

1252
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 2: he knows what he's doing in terms of a vision

1253
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 2: on offense. The offensive line was a mess last year.

1254
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 2: I don't think they They seem to focus on skill

1255
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 2: in the portal, and I know it's harder to focus

1256
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 2: on like top tier offensive linemen to improve things. So

1257
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 2: they bring in Oregon's third string running back. They bring

1258
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 2: in Texas's Wyoming transfer Isaiah Nayre, who was unfortunately beat

1259
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 2: up at Texas and was not able to sort of

1260
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 2: prove it all that often on the field in Austin,

1261
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 2: but you're like, what has changed? Who is protecting? And

1262
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 2: they're beat up along the offensive line last year, but

1263
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 2: like you're throwing a freshman into the mix behind a

1264
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 2: pretty suspect offensive line, and you're just like, are we

1265
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 2: just going for the Baylor formula? In which also, by

1266
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 2: the way, Charlie Brewer was running for his life even

1267
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 2: though they were winning games. And so it's just like

1268
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 2: Matt Rule needs to prove he has a plan here.

1269
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 2: Eight years, seventy four million dollars something like that. It's

1270
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 2: a lot of money to not make bowl games. And

1271
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 2: Nebraska had been the beneficiary of being in the West.

1272
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 2: That's no longer going to be the case the way

1273
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 2: this conference is organized. So I hate to be like

1274
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 2: the big neck roll TV analyst, but like starts up front.

1275
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 2: If there's no offensive line, if the offensive line is

1276
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 2: merely below average, that's an improvement. I don't know how

1277
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 2: many games, Like if Nebraska scores twenty five points a

1278
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 2: game last year, I think they went a bunch of

1279
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 2: their games late, right, Yeah, and it's a fully twenty five.

1280
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 2: Twenty five is like the eightieth best team in the

1281
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 2: country in points per game, So it's like if they're

1282
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 2: scoring two point two yard points per drive or something

1283
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 2: like that, it's a completely different year. But as small

1284
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 2: a number as that sounds, it seems to be a

1285
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 2: pretty big hurdle. So for me, Nebraska off the high platform,

1286
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 2: it's no backflops, no front flops, no flops at all.

1287
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 2: Stay off of YouTube compilations after you jump off. That's

1288
01:07:59,160 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 2: what it is to me.

1289
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think they only went over twenty points maybe

1290
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 1: four times. Yeah, last season, so clearly offense was was

1291
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 1: a bit of an issue. They weren't great on special

1292
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 1: teams either, which is a separate conversation altogether. But defensively

1293
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: per the sp plus a top ten unit, number eight, defensively, yeah, listen,

1294
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 1: you stay solid on the defensive side of the ball.

1295
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 1: If you can build up, just get incrementally better on offense.

1296
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:27,679
Speaker 2: But they can't do everything. They just can't.

1297
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 1: Can't do everything. But you got to start the whole

1298
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 1: playing out of Tony White. Yeah, got to start somewhere. Okay,

1299
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:34,679
Speaker 1: Three more teams, Iowa.

1300
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:37,680
Speaker 2: I'm rooting for Iowa so hard this year in a

1301
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 2: fully genuine, non ironic way.

1302
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:44,639
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Yeah, again, within the framework of this game,

1303
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 1: I think the tendency is to say, well, Iowa needs

1304
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: to prove it can play offense. I would needs to

1305
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 1: prove it can get better on offense. That has never

1306
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 1: been Iowa's game, at least not under Kirk Farence. Yeah,

1307
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 1: he doesn't give a crap about offense. He never has.

1308
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 1: I would needs to prove Kirk ferensteeds to approved that

1309
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: he still has the Jews, you know, like we talked

1310
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 1: about it with patn ard UZI. I think we need

1311
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 1: to see this from Kirk ference because they ran his

1312
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 1: kid out. I don't know what kind of effect, if any,

1313
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:13,640
Speaker 1: had had on him, but I'm sure that wasn't an

1314
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 1: easy pill to swallow. Yeah, this season, the schedule is

1315
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 1: very much not a murderer's row. It will be harder,

1316
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 1: it will be harder. I think they can again benefit

1317
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 1: from a very sound defense. You just assume as much

1318
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,680
Speaker 1: as fact with Iowa, they're going to have that. There

1319
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:35,759
Speaker 1: are plenty of teams on this schedule, Dan that frankly

1320
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: will not be able to deal with even a reduced

1321
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: version of Iowa's defense. You can play defense first football

1322
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 1: against this schedule. In twenty twenty four and still be

1323
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 1: fine if you're Iowa. But but here's the caveat if

1324
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 1: you look a little bit into the future, there's a

1325
01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:59,719
Speaker 1: really good chance that the schedule we see in twenty

1326
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:04,440
Speaker 1: twenty four only continues to get harder from here on out.

1327
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:08,879
Speaker 1: It becomes readily apparent to me the half team approach

1328
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 1: that they have taken from this point forward only means

1329
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 1: diminishing returns. So they might get away with it to

1330
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 1: some extent this year, but beyond twenty four, moving forward,

1331
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:24,679
Speaker 1: in this new world order where the Big ten has,

1332
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 1: you know, fifty five teams, whatever the hell it is,

1333
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 1: it becomes harder and harder and harder to play that

1334
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 1: brand of football. So Kirk Farence needs to prove that.

1335
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 1: First off, he's got the juice that it's not going

1336
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 1: to be in our doozy seity.

1337
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:40,640
Speaker 2: Has Kirk Farents ever had what we could consider to

1338
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 2: be juiced.

1339
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 1: Probably not okay, But he.

1340
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 2: Needs to prove some degree of adaptability. I could not

1341
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:49,799
Speaker 2: disagree with you more. I could not in good conscious

1342
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 2: disagree with you more. Tell me why in what world

1343
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 2: does Kirk Farans evolve? In what world? Can you sit

1344
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:59,639
Speaker 2: here on this beautiful program that we've cultivated over many

1345
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 2: years and say the time is now for Kirk Farens

1346
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:03,919
Speaker 2: to evolve.

1347
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 1: Doesn't he have to? No, the situation around him is changing.

1348
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 1: The schedule, the schedule is changing, the rules are changing,

1349
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,760
Speaker 1: They're putting a two minute warning in now, all of

1350
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 1: these things are changing. Kirk Farence does not exist in

1351
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: a time bubble.

1352
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 2: Here's here's the reality.

1353
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 1: Tie.

1354
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 2: How many points did they score against ranked teams last year?

1355
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 1: Like? Five? No?

1356
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 2: Zero, zero points? They got shut out by Michigan, Tennessee

1357
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 2: and Penn State. They lost ninety two to nothing to

1358
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 2: those three teams. They ended up in the Big Ten

1359
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 2: championship game. They ended up with one of the best

1360
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 2: defenses in the country with one of the best defensive

1361
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 2: players in the country before he got hurt, Cooper de Gen,

1362
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 2: and they won their way. They lost I think one,

1363
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 2: they lost one their way as well. Was it Minnesota

1364
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 2: who they lose to fifteen to ten?

1365
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 1: Last Yeaaron lost twelve to ten in Minnesota.

1366
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:58,679
Speaker 2: Twelve to ten Minnesota. Okay, so it's a blowout baseball loss,

1367
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 2: but not a great football score. They need to prove

1368
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 2: that they can just keep doing this people are desperate

1369
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 2: to win this many games. I hate it. I hate

1370
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:11,680
Speaker 2: watching it. I don't love it ironically, But say what

1371
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 2: you will. They're sort of weird, nihilistic take on college football.

1372
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 2: Keep doing it. Who am I to question it? It's

1373
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 2: an awful experience if you're an Iowa fan, it's an

1374
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 2: awful experience if you're a fan of anybody else. But

1375
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 2: at a certain point, TI we are who we are,

1376
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 2: and so as long as Kirk Farrens is the head

1377
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 2: coach of that team, this is what we're going to get.

1378
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:40,560
Speaker 2: And so they need to prove that they can continue

1379
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 2: to adapt to their opponents defensively, and then there's offense, right,

1380
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:48,600
Speaker 2: and if Caden McNamara, I mean things, see that, what

1381
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,599
Speaker 2: two major surgeries these past two years. If he works out,

1382
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 2: if some transfers work out, I mean what Luke lash

1383
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:56,680
Speaker 2: hurt himself at the basically the start of last year

1384
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:59,799
Speaker 2: after a promising start, Like sure, maybe he's the next

1385
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 2: whoever Sam Laporta, but like they just need to prove

1386
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 2: that they can be the next version of Iowa football.

1387
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 1: That's it. It's a little bit of a science experiment, yes,

1388
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 1: to see what happens if you try to run the

1389
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:17,800
Speaker 1: same system over and over again with changing dynamics around you.

1390
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: And so for that reason, I'm with you.

1391
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 2: I was commuting to work in a surplus Russian era tank, right,

1392
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense. It's kind of scary if you're

1393
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 2: also on the road with them. If you find yourself

1394
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 2: on the audubon with Penn State or Ohio State or

1395
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 2: Michigan or something, they're gonna smoke you. But otherwise, this

1396
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 2: is this is what they need to prove that this

1397
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 2: model is sustainable. No matter what Ty, Hildemrant and beautiful

1398
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 2: Eastern Pass sustainable.

1399
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 1: It is not sustainable. But we say that before every year.

1400
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 1: Zero points against ranked teams ninety two to nothing, it

1401
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 1: is not sustainable. Ty, the checks clear, the Big ten

1402
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 1: TV checks clear, the Bull check's clear. You score zero

1403
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 1: points against Tennessee and whatever bowl that was with Citrus Bowl,

1404
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:08,799
Speaker 1: whatever it was, check's clear, The check's clear. The schemes

1405
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 1: so weren't even close against some of these better teams.

1406
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:16,759
Speaker 2: Why sort of delude ourselves into saying that Kirk Farns

1407
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:20,720
Speaker 2: needs to evolve when he is a finished product. That's

1408
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 2: it is.

1409
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 1: It perfectly evolved over millions of years, like a great

1410
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 1: white shark. Kirk.

1411
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 2: Yes, he's the perfect killing machine. He kills the entertainment

1412
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 2: value of this sport for everybody but him. That's it.

1413
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:38,799
Speaker 2: That's what he needs to prove. He and Phil Parker,

1414
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 2: and they're like Felma and Louise convertible going off the

1415
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 2: side of the entertainment Cliff. Wisconsin, Yeah, they're another team

1416
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 2: that just needs score twenty five points a game. TVD

1417
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 2: needs to prove that he can throw it to players

1418
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 2: exclusively wearing red and white. I think their schedule is

1419
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 2: pretty great in terms of entertainment. They have a ton

1420
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:00,120
Speaker 2: of tough teams on this don't they have Alabama. I'm

1421
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:02,800
Speaker 2: in usc early, that's right. Yeah, they need they need

1422
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 2: to prove pop because I think they're well coached. I

1423
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 2: think they're I think it was super smarter than last year.

1424
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 2: They did a good job on defense by and large

1425
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:10,800
Speaker 2: and preventing big plays, which I think is a great

1426
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 2: first step. But yeah, it's offensive pop. That's all it

1427
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 2: is with Wisconsin right now. And I appreciate the swing

1428
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 2: with TVD. They're going to need to prove that it

1429
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:24,679
Speaker 2: was a place thing for TVD and not a TVD

1430
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 2: thing that Wisconsin's a place where players seem to thrive,

1431
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 2: coaches seem to thrive, I guess until they don't. But

1432
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:35,479
Speaker 2: like it's a winning place by and large, and so

1433
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 2: they need to prove that the magic aura, the dairy

1434
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 2: aura of Madison, Wisconsin, will is.

1435
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 1: That sorry did you just say dairy aura?

1436
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 2: I did. I'm glad you caught that. Thank you for

1437
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 2: riding with me here. That like it is some like

1438
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 2: college football winning lagoon, that that TVD can bathe in

1439
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 2: the waters of Mendota and thrive in Madison. That's what

1440
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 2: they need to prove that. Sometimes you just need to

1441
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 2: have that successful place to get somebody's head right.

1442
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 1: TVD milking the success utter is what I got out

1443
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:19,799
Speaker 1: of that. Okay, sure, Finally Utah it's about the utes. Yeah,

1444
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 1: cam Rising needs to prove that he's worth the weight YEP.

1445
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:24,759
Speaker 2: Agree.

1446
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: It's not going to be easy. He's been away from

1447
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 1: football for a year, had pretty significant injury. It's not

1448
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 1: easy to come back. He's in year six now, whatever

1449
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 1: it is, so stepping back into it and playing at

1450
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:41,640
Speaker 1: a high level, he's going to have to prove that.

1451
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 1: Beyond that, though, I I feel like Utah can continue

1452
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 1: being the same team Utah has been for most of

1453
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 1: the time that Kyle Whittingham's been at Utah. Let's say

1454
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 1: like the last five years, right, if Utah stays that

1455
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 1: team going into this new conference, are they not the

1456
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 1: best team in the conference already? Sure?

1457
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 2: I mean that's yet to be seen. It's I think

1458
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 2: a question. I think you're right to bring it up that, Like,

1459
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 2: if stability is the secret sauce in Utah is one

1460
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 2: of the more stable programs in the nation, this is

1461
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 2: absolutely a prove it year for the case of stability

1462
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 2: being that secret sauce and it's Cam Rising and Michael

1463
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:24,480
Speaker 2: Bernard in the backfield. They lose key dudes in the secondary.

1464
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 2: But like you look at this proposed depth chart and

1465
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 2: it's like red shirt senior red shirt, senior red shirt,

1466
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 2: senior red shirt, junior, redshirt, junior red Like guys stick

1467
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 2: around and they're thoughtful about the transfers. And so the

1468
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 2: prove it thing is that this model travels. And whether

1469
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 2: you're playing Oregon, Washington, USC whoever, or Oklahoma State UCFTCU,

1470
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter because it's at a certain point it's

1471
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 2: death taxes. Kyle Whittingham winning nine games and so it's

1472
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 2: whether that can sort of float throughout the sport and

1473
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:03,720
Speaker 2: in a new conference. That's all.

1474
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 1: I don't think they have much to prove. I think

1475
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 1: I think what they have to prove is that they

1476
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 1: can hold serve in this big money era of college football.

1477
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:20,760
Speaker 1: It's it's more of a broader question for Utah than

1478
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 1: I think it is for some of the other schools

1479
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 1: that we've discussed here today, which is, you know, we're

1480
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 1: talking LSU, can they fix their defense, We're talking Florida

1481
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 1: and this murderers or all of a schedule. We're talking

1482
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 1: about Miami and can they get the most out of

1483
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 1: cam More? But Utah, for me, it's more of a

1484
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 1: almost more of an existential question. I mean, they're they're

1485
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 1: fine now, They're in the Power for they're in the

1486
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 1: Big twelve. I think they're in a really good position

1487
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:47,679
Speaker 1: from a talent standpoint, from a coaching standpoint, stability, secret sauce,

1488
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:50,800
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But the dynamics around

1489
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:53,679
Speaker 1: college football have changed pretty quickly, and it does tend

1490
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:55,640
Speaker 1: to favor the programs that have the most money and

1491
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 1: can cash the biggest checks. When it comes to nil

1492
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 1: know what UTA's place is. In all of that, they

1493
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:07,680
Speaker 1: can certainly build some momentum with a successful campaign in

1494
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 1: year one in the Big twelve.

1495
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 2: They're also kind of in an interesting geographic place that

1496
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 2: they can prove that they can sort of shift their

1497
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:18,720
Speaker 2: recruiting footprint as needed, because it's not cal going to

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Speaker 2: the ACC. It's not even USC or Oregon going to

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Speaker 2: the Big ten where they're playing a bunch of teams

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Speaker 2: in a fully different region thousands of miles away where

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01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 2: you taught like the travel isn't going to be terrible

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01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 2: for the most part. They'll have Texas teams, Oklahoma state

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01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,559
Speaker 2: like the Kansas schools, like I feel like there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of cultural overlap. Potentially, there's a lot of cultural overlap.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Salt Lake City area as a whole

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01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 1: is growing very quickly, one of the fastest growing, if

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Speaker 1: not the fastest growing.

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Speaker 2: People can fly into Salt Lake from the Midwest or

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Speaker 2: the Plains region.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's not in a bad place at all.

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Speaker 1: It is in a desirable location. It is turning on

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01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 1: in open up all the spickets. Yeah, getting the most

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01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 1: you can out of the nil front, shining a way

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Speaker 1: to recruit at perhaps a higher level in the immediate

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01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 1: future outside of the Cam Rising thing now in year six.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a whole lot at least

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Speaker 1: from my perspective, that Utah needs to prove.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, they're sort of I'm glad we buttressed

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01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 2: them with Iowa in that like it's a stability thing.

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01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 2: It's not like the only thing they need to prove

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01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 2: is that they can keep proving and that's kind of

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01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 2: fascinating as their slate completely changes.

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Speaker 1: So look, longer show than usual, almost an hour and

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Speaker 1: a half, Dan, ooh oh what happened then?

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01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:46,759
Speaker 2: That total disaster? What is happening?

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01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 1: A lot to discuss here on this episode. Hopefully we've

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01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 1: covered enough ground for the verballer hood right in solid

1528
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 1: verbal atgmail dot com or anywhere out on social media.

1529
01:20:57,479 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 1: Let us know what we got right, let us know

1530
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 1: what we got wrong, Let us know if there are

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01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 1: more teams that we should do. This was actually a

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01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 1: fun thought experiment for you and I to go through

1533
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 1: because we put this list together before we hit record

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01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 1: today and gave ourselves a couple hours to think about

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Speaker 1: each of these teams.

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Speaker 2: Find me another podcast that drops jd Roth and Peter

1537
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 2: North's name completely seamlessly in the flow of conversation.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know. It's our secret gift.

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01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 2: Here's my closing question for you before we let the

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Speaker 2: people go. Is there a threshold somewhere in terms of

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01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 2: Patreon subscribers at verballers dot com who support and keep

1542
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 2: this show alive. Is there a threshold we go with

1543
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 2: this on YouTube that you will agree to jump off

1544
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:41,479
Speaker 2: of a ten meter platform thirty two feet above a pool.

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01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, I mean give.

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01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:46,440
Speaker 2: Me a threshold.

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01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 1: Is a Patreon two thousand, three thousand? If we got

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01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 1: to two thousand, I do it. Yeah, we'd have to

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01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 1: find the platform.

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01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 2: We can find you a ten meter platform.

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01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 1: We'll keep it realistic. We get to two, I would,

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01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 1: I would do it. Yeah.

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01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 2: My throat is closing thinking about the prospect of me

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Speaker 2: jumping off of a ten meter platform.

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01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 1: I feel like I could probably really hurt myself doing this.

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Speaker 2: That's not the fear to me. It's not the entry

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01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 2: into the water. It's the bottoms of my feet. My

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01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 2: heels would be drenched with sweat taking each successive step

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01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 2: onto the platform. At long last, I found something that

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01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:36,759
Speaker 2: makes you uncomfortable. Go look up like a POV of

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01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:41,000
Speaker 2: an Olympic ten meter platform, like somebody wearing a GoPro

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01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 2: up the ladder and looking down onto the pool. It

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Speaker 2: is not. Okay, so two thousand people, okay, I would

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Speaker 2: do it for two and we can film, Yeah, we

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01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 2: can film it, all right, I'll do it.

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01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 1: I'll do it for two. I will.

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01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll fly to Pennsylvania or I'll fly you out

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01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 2: here or whatever. I'll I mean, you have colleges around there.

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01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 2: I have colleges around here. We can find it.

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01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I'm tensing up right now thinking about even

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Speaker 2: watching you do it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not crazy about it, but for two,

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01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 1: I'll do it for two.

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01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, fair enough. There's your There's Forballers dot com.

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01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 1: Forballers dot com. There you go. Check it out. Add

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01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 1: free episodes, bonus content, discord all of our off season

1578
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:26,599
Speaker 1: games that we're working on. That's that sort of thing. Yeah,

1579
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 1: great show. Had a good time talking through all of

1580
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 1: these scenarios with you. For Ballerhood reach out, let us

1581
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 1: know what we got right and wrong. We will be

1582
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:38,919
Speaker 1: back next week talking you know, more things college football.

1583
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 1: Follow us on social media to play along at home.

1584
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:44,480
Speaker 1: For that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

1585
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:47,759
Speaker 1: for myself, Tie Hildebrand, thanks again for downloading, for listening,

1586
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 1: supporting what we do. We'll talk to you all soon.

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Speaker 1: Stay solid, peace,