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Speaker 1: Hey, what is up everybody? Welcome to the Gidias Charge Podcast,

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Speaker 1: presented by the Chargers Podcast Network.

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Speaker 2: My name is Stephen and I am the host as always,

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Speaker 2: and we have.

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Speaker 1: A very special show today. Our guy Argent is going

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Speaker 1: to be joining us. Argan has some unique insight into

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Speaker 1: this upcoming Chargers and Jets matchups, so we're excited to

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Speaker 1: have him on.

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Speaker 2: Argin, what's up?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 2: Im doing tonight?

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Speaker 3: Doing very well. Glad to be recording on Halloween. Obviously

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Speaker 3: not doing anything, and that's why I'm here to record.

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Speaker 3: So excited to be talking about Chargers Jets obviously two

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Speaker 3: teams I'm very familiar with, So excited to be hopping

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Speaker 3: into and talking Paul about this one.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Happy Halloween to those who celebrate. Obviously, this will

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Speaker 1: be coming out on Wednesday. So hopefully you guys had

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Speaker 1: a good night out if you went out, If not,

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Speaker 1: hopefully had a good time as well.

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Speaker 2: Tyler is here too, man, Tyler? What's up? How you

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Speaker 2: doing tonight?

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Speaker 4: Do it great? I'm doing very well.

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Speaker 5: Happy to hear that Argin is only here because he

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Speaker 5: had nothing else better to do today on Halloween, but

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Speaker 5: that's totally fine. I'm doing very well. We're coming off

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Speaker 5: of a Chargers victory. The offense did their part, the

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Speaker 5: defense did their part, the special teams did its part,

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Speaker 5: and the Bears, well, I can't say that on this show,

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Speaker 5: so I'll avoid that. But I'm doing very well, Steven.

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Speaker 5: How are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing good man.

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Speaker 1: We had a dress up day today at school, so

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Speaker 1: I went as a college student, so I got to

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Speaker 1: wear like a Utah hoodie to school for once, which

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Speaker 1: was it was funny, but it was a good time.

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Speaker 1: So hopefully you guys had a good night out in

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Speaker 1: Halloween and that should be fun.

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Speaker 2: If you don't know Argin, just a quick little bit

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Speaker 2: about Argin.

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Speaker 1: He has been working with us on the Guiltiest Charge

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Speaker 1: channel for the last three seasons, has obviously a data

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Speaker 1: driven analytical background, has intern for PFF in this past season,

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Speaker 1: spent this past summer excuse me, intern for the New

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Speaker 1: York Jets, so I've had to have him on because

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Speaker 1: of our relationship, because of his insight into both of

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Speaker 1: these teams. Heading into Monday Night Football, we'll also get

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Speaker 1: some of his thoughts and our thoughts as well. From

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Speaker 1: the Chargers and Bears matchup. Like Tyler mentioned, and should

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Speaker 1: be a lot of fun, should be a fun show today.

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Speaker 1: As always, before we get started, the three of us

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Speaker 1: are fans of the Chargers, just like you guys are.

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Speaker 2: We are not Chargers employees.

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Speaker 1: The opinions that we show on this episode are that

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Speaker 1: that just that there are opinions first and foremost. They

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Speaker 1: are not the opinions of the Chargers organization. But that

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Speaker 1: being said, we'll have a good show and I'm excited

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Speaker 1: to dive in today. So as always, we are going

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Speaker 1: to do our truths segments. We think it's important to

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Speaker 1: to the Chargers during their previous game.

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Speaker 2: So we'll get some opinions here.

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Speaker 1: Instead of doing five, we're just going to do one

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Speaker 1: and Jets matchup on Monday Night Football. So Argent, we'll

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Speaker 1: start with you. When you kind of zoom out about

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Speaker 1: what happened on Sunday Night football from the Chargers win

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my biggest truth is actually a negative which is

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Speaker 3: interesting given that the Chargers won by seventeen. But it

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Speaker 6: It's kind of middle of the pack.

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Speaker 3: But the Chargers ran for fifty four yards on twenty

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Speaker 3: So basically, on twenty five attempts, they were only successful

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Speaker 3: the Chargers rank dead last in rushing success rate, in

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Speaker 3: huge problem. That's seven percent lower than the thirty first

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Speaker 3: Week one, I think everyone was so excited about this

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Speaker 3: And I think with a seven games sample size, we

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Speaker 6: So I think it's a huge issue.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, they didn't really need to run the ball and

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Speaker 5: I'm glad you brought that up, and just looking at

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Speaker 5: Steven you brought up an interesting point earlier on social

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Speaker 5: media and I'll let you get to that in just

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Speaker 4: It seems like the charters should be.

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Speaker 5: Not not saying twenty times a game, but pivoting towards

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Speaker 5: And that's not to say he's a bad running back,

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Speaker 5: but we're starting to see what we maybe did start

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Speaker 5: And we're starting to see Joshua Kelly, who's much younger

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Speaker 5: I feel that this team needs to start leading into

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Speaker 5: Joshuva Kelly the runner. I'm not saying again that they

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Speaker 5: have to do that twenty times, but I feel like

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Speaker 5: they should lean into him that way one, because he's been.

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Speaker 4: More efficient so far in two.

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Speaker 5: I think it suits what the Chargers are doing or

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Speaker 5: And so, Steven, you talked about the difference between the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think when you really dive into what we've

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Speaker 1: And I feel like the whole thing in training camp

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Speaker 2: Pin and pole play.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of north and sound, and I think

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Speaker 1: I think that led to a lot of the excitement

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and another stat I wanted to talk about, so IPFF,

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Speaker 3: we have a rushing yards overexpected model, So basically we're

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Speaker 3: The Charges rank dead last in terms of expected yards,

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Speaker 3: so they're not putting their runners in a good position

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Speaker 3: the scheme is just not putting anyone in success to succeed.

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Speaker 6: At least in the run game.

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Speaker 3: They've only been expected to gain three point three eight

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Speaker 6: Only the Chiefs.

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Speaker 3: The Chiefs are thirty first, so and they're thirty first

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Speaker 3: a pretty i would say significant margin. So that's definitely

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Speaker 3: something that needs to be fixed. I just wanted to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I appreciate that, Stephen. Do you feel that

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Speaker 5: this downhill approach would also just better suit the tight

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Speaker 4: It was what was best, especially at.

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Speaker 5: He forced three mistackles on that play alone. Keenan Anod's

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Speaker 5: Of course, Austin Eckler had his best game. He was fantastic.

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Speaker 5: And so Herbert, you know, through all of this, was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get to the Jets pass rush here in

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Speaker 1: nice to see Kellen Moore make these adjustments, and then

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Speaker 1: new offensive coaching staff. I know that there's a lot

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Speaker 3: I've been a big fan of what Kellen Moore has

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Speaker 3: This year, the Chargers have currently thirty passes of twenty

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Speaker 3: So I think kind of complementing that explosive pass game,

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Speaker 3: well you're staying ahead of schedule, they haven't been more

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Speaker 3: I think that's where you want the Chargers to be,

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Speaker 5: It was a great, great game plan.

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Speaker 1: Look at us cross referencing boxing and baseball and on

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Speaker 1: My truth of the game is that this was the

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Speaker 1: This means that the Chargers can get out there with

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Speaker 1: where he's been above twenty percent.

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Speaker 2: So far this year. So this is huge news for

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Speaker 2: the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: Joey Bosa making his presence known on Sunday Night Football,

443
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Speaker 1: and I'm really excited to see what this trio of

444
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Speaker 1: edge rushers can really look like now that all three

445
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Speaker 1: of them are healthy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's amazing what you can do when your toe

447
00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,760
Speaker 4: isn't fractured. He recovered from it.

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Speaker 2: I play with a steel toe boot on basically.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that helps when you don't have to

450
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Speaker 5: do that. I took like two weeks off from the

451
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Speaker 5: gym because my shoulder hurt.

452
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Speaker 4: I certainly didn't have.

453
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Speaker 5: To go face NFL tackles week in and week out

454
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Speaker 5: with a shoulder injury. Granted, Joey Bosa is a bit

455
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Speaker 5: more physically talented and very tough, but still like him

456
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Speaker 5: returning to form was awesome. And the Chargers, they give

457
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Speaker 5: up that explosive play on the first play of the

458
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Speaker 5: game and you think, oh goodness, here we go. But

459
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Speaker 5: Joey Bosa responded and it absolutely knocked over the left guard.

460
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Speaker 5: Was a terror for most of the night for them. Again,

461
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Speaker 5: it wasn't like the six sack performance like you said,

462
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Speaker 5: but five prushures, a sack, the run stops, etc.

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Speaker 4: That's what we needed from Joey both. That's we've been

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Speaker 4: waiting to see.

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Speaker 5: And I am sure that these edge rushers are absolutely

466
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Speaker 5: excited about the Jets next week because at the stat

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Speaker 5: you said, and all we'll get into in just a bit.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we can kind of talk about the Jets.

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Speaker 3: I feel like the Jets are five missing offensive linemen right.

470
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Speaker 3: Dwayne Downs on IR, Connor McGovern and West schweitz Er

471
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Speaker 3: just went on IR. Elijah Vera Tucker, one of the

472
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Speaker 3: best young offensive alignment in the league, went on IR.

473
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Speaker 3: They're missing and joe Tipman, their second round pick, who

474
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Speaker 3: was playing great when he.

475
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Speaker 6: Was healthy, is on hire or is out.

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Speaker 3: So, as Tyler talked about, Joey won that rep to

477
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Speaker 3: get the sackle over our guard. The Jets are missing

478
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Speaker 3: three interior offensive lignment. They're playing Billy Turner at right guard,

479
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 3: who's normally he was played tackle his whole life.

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Speaker 6: They're playing him out.

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Speaker 3: Of position, and you have and I don't think Joey's

482
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Speaker 3: athletic enough to do the Micah Parsons Malex Sygarrett thing

483
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Speaker 3: where he lines up over the center like Melvin. But

484
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 3: the Jets are starting Xavier Newman, who just got signed

485
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Speaker 3: to their practice squad two weeks ago off the street.

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Speaker 3: So if there's ever a time for Joey to be

487
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Speaker 3: feasting on the interior, I think this matchup versus the

488
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Speaker 3: Jets is the one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. We've seen two Ley do that as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so it should be.

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Speaker 1: It should be fun there, All right, guys, any other

492
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Speaker 1: final thoughts before we get to our game ball about

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Speaker 1: the Chargers performance against the Bears. Nope, all right, hey guys.

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Speaker 1: awaits only with on location Tyler, why don't you kick

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Speaker 1: us off? Who's your game ball of the week.

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Speaker 5: My game ball of the week is a bit different.

505
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 5: I'm going to go with a trio of coaches that

506
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 5: is Jay Rodgers, the interior defensive line coach and run

507
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 5: game coordinator, Giff Smith who worked at the ed rushers

508
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 5: like Joey Bosa, and Jeff Howard the linebackers coach.

509
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Speaker 4: And this is not even just really a game.

510
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Speaker 5: Ball, it's really kind of a half season game ball

511
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 5: and award I think for how much better this run

512
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Speaker 5: defense has been. I'm not saying they're even an elite

513
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 5: run defense right now, but they are way better than

514
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Speaker 5: what we were hoping for going into this season. Really

515
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 5: without many changes. This is for the most part the

516
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Speaker 5: same group, obviously bringing Nick Williams Eric Kendricks, but for

517
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Speaker 5: the most part these guys are all the same. Oh

518
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 5: that to the guys pretty good too. But I think

519
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 5: just this trio of coaches has got so much out

520
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Speaker 5: of this group against the run and also rushing the pass,

521
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Speaker 5: so they're getting better and better.

522
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Speaker 4: Like this pass rush unit has.

523
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Speaker 5: Another tier or two to go with Joy returning, and

524
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Speaker 5: they're always already doing so well so far. The reason

525
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 5: the defense is in it at all in most games

526
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Speaker 5: is because of this front seven.

527
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Speaker 4: So the game ball to me goes to those three

528
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Speaker 4: coaches because.

529
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Speaker 5: They continue to pass the test, in particular against the run.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about that on our show live, that

531
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Speaker 1: this was going to be a big test for this

532
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Speaker 1: Chargers defensive front and the Bears wanted to run the

533
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Speaker 1: football and they did and three point eight yards.

534
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Speaker 2: Per carry is is. No, it was lower than that.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, But defensive front played well for sure, Argine,

536
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Speaker 1: If you had to pick a game ball for this week,

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Speaker 1: who would it.

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Speaker 2: Be for you?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm gonna I'll go with Donald Parhum.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I think he stepped up well in Gerald Everett's absence.

541
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Speaker 3: Four catches forty three yards, a nice touchdown where he

542
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Speaker 3: kind of you took two defenders for a ride where

543
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Speaker 3: he caught the ball at like the six or seven

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Speaker 3: and then was able to turn up field really quickly

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Speaker 3: and outstretch for a touchdown. He also had a really

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Speaker 3: nice catch on a crossing route with the defender draped

547
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Speaker 3: all over his back. That was a dying by Herbert,

548
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Speaker 3: But I thought that was a great great catches well

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Speaker 3: given the type of coverage that parm was seeing, So

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Speaker 3: there weren't.

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Speaker 6: You know, I think it was a good win.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if there was a lot of standouts

553
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Speaker 3: but I thought Parum definitely stepped up in Everett's absence.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair. I think for me, I

555
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Speaker 1: want to give this game ball to a Loohi Gillman.

556
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Speaker 1: I know the stats are not necessarily eye popping, but

557
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Speaker 1: we talked about this heading into the game on our show.

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Speaker 1: He just has a tendency to be this spark plug

559
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Speaker 1: for this Charters defense and specifically the secondary.

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Speaker 2: You know, he did not get the interception.

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Speaker 1: It was obviously Derwin James, but Alohi Gimman was the

562
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Speaker 1: cause of the interception. I think just the way that

563
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Speaker 1: he played on the back end, you could really feel

564
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Speaker 1: his stabilizing presence and what he was really meaning for

565
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Speaker 1: this team.

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Speaker 2: So interception goes to their win.

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Speaker 1: I think the credit really goes to a Loohi Gimman

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Speaker 1: for what the play that he made on that football

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Speaker 1: run defense playing the free safety position, which is not

570
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Speaker 1: really his natural position anyway, just really has a stabilizing

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Speaker 1: presence back there. So I wanted to give a Loohi

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Speaker 1: Gillman a shout out. He'll get my game ball today.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's been a closer for them. The last time

574
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Speaker 5: he played was against the Vikings and he in two

575
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 5: separate drives was huge, and then stopping the Vikings there

576
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 5: and of course in this game, another great pass breakup

577
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 5: pops the ball up Jermen James picks it up like

578
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Speaker 5: there are just some guys you need to just be

579
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Speaker 5: good at football, you know, to see the flashiest name

580
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Speaker 5: is even the flashiest safety on the team.

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Speaker 4: No, but he's so important to this team.

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Speaker 5: And you can really tell this defense is just better

583
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Speaker 5: when a Lohi Gillman is out there.

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Speaker 4: And that's no disrespect to Dean Marlowe either.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Dean have been playing pretty well too. So all right,

586
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Speaker 1: let's get to some of this Chargers Jets talk. Obviously,

587
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Speaker 1: Monday night football in New Jersey, it's a big game.

588
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Speaker 1: I wanted to have Argin on here because I think

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Speaker 1: it's it's such a fascinating thing that the Jets are

590
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Speaker 1: four and three right now, because I think if you

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Speaker 1: had told any Jets fan, heck, if you had told Argin,

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Speaker 1: the July version of Argin that the Jets are gonna

593
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Speaker 1: lose Aaron Rodgers, all the offensive line that we just

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Speaker 1: mentioned and they're gonna be four and three, I think

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Speaker 1: everybody in New York, New Jersey would have been shocked.

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Speaker 1: So Argin, I just kind of want you to set

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Speaker 1: the table here a little bit, because you were there

598
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Speaker 1: were the what was the vibe around the Jets with

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers? What were like, really the expectations heading into

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Speaker 1: the season with Aaron Rodgers at quarterback?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I won't lie.

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Speaker 3: I think there was a lot of Super Bowl aspirations

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Speaker 3: there for good reason. I mean, he really looked good

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Speaker 3: during training camp and it's obviously unfortunate that the Met

605
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Speaker 3: Life Turf claimed him for plays into the season. Yea,

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean this is a team that, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: if you told me that in July, I'd probably be

608
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Speaker 3: a little bit shocked, given how hard the Jets schedule

609
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Speaker 3: was to start. But I think the Jets, you know,

610
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Speaker 3: obviously speaking, they've done very well. They've been very crappy,

611
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Speaker 3: been pulling out some of these close games that you know,

612
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 3: usually you need a good quarterback or an elite quarterback

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Speaker 3: to win these close games. And Zach Wilson, objectively speaking,

614
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Speaker 3: hasn't been a great quarterback to start his career, but

615
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Speaker 3: he's kind of turned around the way he's played football.

616
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Speaker 3: He's taking care of the football a little bit more.

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Speaker 3: His turnover worthy play rate is much lower this year.

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Speaker 3: In fact, it's lower than just Herbert, So you know,

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Speaker 3: you look at some of the things that they've changed. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: getting Breeze hallback, one of the most electric backs in

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Speaker 3: the game, has been huge. But I still think this

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Speaker 3: is a team that has Super bo Bowl aspirations. The

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Speaker 3: defense is playing as good as anyone, and we'll talk

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Speaker 3: about like why they're playing so good, and you know,

625
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 3: and they've put some of the best quarterbacks in the

626
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Speaker 3: NFL in a blender and some of the best quarterbacks

627
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 3: in the league have had their worst performances against this

628
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Speaker 3: Robert Solid led Jets defense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this defense is really really good.

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Speaker 5: And when we all picked the Chargers to either win

631
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Speaker 5: or lose but by like a thirteen to fourteen or

632
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Speaker 5: seventeen to eighteen sort of score this week, because this

633
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Speaker 5: defense is really really good for the Jets, But the

634
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Speaker 5: offense is kind of what I want to stay focused

635
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 5: on here, because yeah, I think we all, I think

636
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Speaker 5: unanimously picked the Jets to make the playoffs in some capacity,

637
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 5: and that was certainly because of Aaron Rodgers. If you

638
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Speaker 5: told me that it would have been Zach Wilson at quarterback.

639
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 5: Don't think I would have picked that one but the

640
00:28:55,560 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 5: Dolphins or anybody else, but they've been solid, not counting

641
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 5: the last game where that was the third most punts

642
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 5: in NFL history in a game, although the Giants did

643
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Speaker 5: contribute to that as well. What have you seen from

644
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Speaker 5: Zach Wilson this year, maybe even compared to last year,

645
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Speaker 5: so between different offensive coordinators from this year to last year,

646
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Speaker 5: maybe just having Breeze Hall in there, of course Garrett

647
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 5: Wilson tape stepping up in year two, etc. What have

648
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Speaker 5: you seen, argin or even steven from Zach Wilson this

649
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Speaker 5: year that's maybe different? Has he taken any step forward

650
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Speaker 5: outside of the turnover.

651
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Speaker 4: Where they play rate?

652
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Speaker 5: Because the stats are so interesting. He's third in aggressiveness

653
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Speaker 5: in the NFL this season, but he's not completing these

654
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Speaker 5: passes either. He's only twenty seven completions over I think

655
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 5: ten yards of this season. Justin Herbert has thirty nine,

656
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Speaker 5: Josh Dobbs has forty three.

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Speaker 4: I mean Derek Carr is thirty eight.

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Speaker 5: You know, so they're very aggressive, but they're not really

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Speaker 5: completing that aggressiveness.

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Speaker 4: And then, of course the.

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Speaker 5: One thing, and I'm curious where you feel this is

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Speaker 5: the issue, Argin. You know, as Stephen pointed out earlier,

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Speaker 5: the Jets are the longest distance to go on third

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Speaker 5: down at over eight yards, and they are also the

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Speaker 5: worst by quite a bit in ep A pri play

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Speaker 5: on third down at almost like negative four EPA per

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Speaker 5: player or whatever it is, which is not great. So

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Speaker 5: Argent and or Steven, what have you seen from Zach

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Speaker 5: Wilson this year and what's going on with that that inefficiency,

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Speaker 5: especially on third down.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I can jump in real quick. So,

672
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Speaker 3: like I talked about his his turnover worthy play rate

673
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Speaker 3: is down. His eight hot is also about two yards

674
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Speaker 3: lower than it was last year. He's he's throwing the

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Speaker 3: ball a little bit quicker. But I think this Chefs

676
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Speaker 3: offense is tough, too tough to explain because Nathaniel Hackett

677
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Speaker 3: was hired for a reason. Aaron Rodgers had two of

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Speaker 3: the best years of his career under Hackett. They install,

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Speaker 3: you know, an offense for Aaron Rodgers. Nathaniel Hocket obviously

680
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Speaker 3: tailoring a lot of things for Aaron Rodgers. One of

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Speaker 3: the biggest things that Rogers loves is not to use

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Speaker 3: motion despite you know, if we talk about which teams

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Speaker 3: use motion the most often in the NFL this year,

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Speaker 3: it's the Dolphins, the Niners, the ram the Chiefs, and

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Speaker 3: the Chargers. Those are five of the best offenses in

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Speaker 3: the NFL in terms, you know, and they use motion

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Speaker 3: the most often. The Jets are only using motion on

688
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Speaker 3: about thirty seven percent of their plays, which is the

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Speaker 3: sixth lowest. That is again what Aaron Rodgers wanted, and

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Speaker 3: Zach Wilson, unfortunately, I wouldn't say unfortunately, he is basically

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Speaker 3: running the Aaron Rodgers offense.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 3: Even when he is running motion, he only has a

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Speaker 3: thirty seven percent success.

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Speaker 6: Rate, which is the third lowest.

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Speaker 3: So there aren't a lot of great things about this

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Speaker 3: Jets offense. The biggest thing I think is the Zach

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Speaker 3: Wilson Garrett Wilson connection. That is has been very good,

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Speaker 3: especially out of structure. In structure, I think Wilson's also

700
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Speaker 3: done a great job with some of these inbreaking routes.

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Speaker 3: I think that's where he has the most success. On

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Speaker 3: some of these play action like drift routes or crossing routes.

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Speaker 3: I think that's where I've seen him make some of those.

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Speaker 3: Some of his best throws on the year that Chiefs game,

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Speaker 3: he had a couple of nice throws across the middle.

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Speaker 3: But I think where it can get a little bit

707
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Speaker 3: tough for them is, you know, when no one's open.

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Speaker 3: I think he does panic a little, panic a little.

709
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Speaker 3: I don't think he's that great out of structure either.

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Speaker 3: He'll make a couple throws now and then, but I

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Speaker 3: think if you're able to, you know, force him outside

712
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Speaker 3: the pocket, it's most likely going to result in a

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Speaker 3: negative play then it is in a positive play.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think if you look at the numbers, you know,

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Speaker 1: Argent pointing out the areas that are different. But I

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Speaker 1: think you watch the tape a little bit here, and

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Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing is that he's willing to

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Speaker 1: take the checkdowns more often. Now that was such an

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Speaker 1: issue previously, where it was like he was essentially living

721
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Speaker 1: like you know, the phrase that a lot of quarterback

722
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Speaker 1: gurus will use is like touchdown a checkdown and like

723
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Speaker 1: meaning like you go vertical and then you check it down.

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Speaker 1: I feel like previously Zach Wilson was always like touch

725
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Speaker 1: was touchdown or scramble, Like touchdown to scramble.

726
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Speaker 2: Was his progression.

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Speaker 1: And so he's he's taking the checkdowns more this year.

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Speaker 1: The return of Breeze Hall is huge there. I mean,

729
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Speaker 1: he's not like a super prolific receiver by any means,

730
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Speaker 1: but he's got you know, one hundred and eighty nine

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Speaker 1: yards receiving so far this year. His aid DOT is

732
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Speaker 1: literally zero, so he's he's been like the beneficiary of

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Speaker 1: Zach Wilson, you know, being able to take the checkdowns

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Speaker 1: more often.

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Speaker 2: So I think that's been the key thing.

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Speaker 1: But Garrett Wilson is the engine of this offense. I

737
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Speaker 1: think Garrett Wilson is the is the key reason for

738
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Speaker 1: why it looks better even though the points are not there,

739
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Speaker 1: Like the Jets are not scoring at a super high level,

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Speaker 1: but they're more efficient, I feel like, and Garrett Wilson

741
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Speaker 1: is really like the key reason there as a receiving threat.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Garrett Wilson leading the way. Of course, Breese Hall

743
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Speaker 4: leading the way, and then after that their options behind

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Speaker 4: them are not working out.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Breese Hall is first according to next gen

746
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Speaker 5: stats and rushing yards overexpected.

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Speaker 4: The guy who's last in.

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Speaker 5: Rushing yards are expected is Dalvin Cook and Alan Lazard.

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Speaker 5: Their wide receiver two right now has fewer receiving yards

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Speaker 5: than Mike Williams, who hasn't played since Week three. So

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Speaker 5: that's kind of what it's like for the Jets right now.

752
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Speaker 5: Like it is very much so Breese Hall and Garrett Wilson,

753
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Speaker 5: who are excellent and doing excellent work right now. And

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Speaker 5: I believe Breese Hall even has a higher yards per

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Speaker 5: rout run than Austin Eckler and I think like seventh

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Speaker 5: right now.

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Speaker 4: So Breesehaw can do everything.

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Speaker 5: I know that was stevens RB one coming out of

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Speaker 5: the draft that one year, they're awesome. If you can

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Speaker 5: stop them, of course, and get to the other options

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Speaker 5: or force the other options, it is clearly not as productive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, I think this is gonna be

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Speaker 1: an interesting challenge for the defense because it's so one

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Speaker 1: person central and Garrett Wilson right now, and obviously the

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Speaker 1: last time we had an offense that was one person central,

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Speaker 1: it didn't go so well. I think Brandon Slady wants

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Speaker 1: to be, you know, a well rounded defense, but this

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Speaker 1: is gonna be a game where you have to let

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Speaker 1: the other guys beat you.

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Speaker 2: And really focus in on Garrett Wilson here.

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Speaker 1: So let's move into this this Jets defense a little

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Speaker 1: bit because This is one of the nastiest fronts in

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Speaker 1: the league.

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Speaker 2: In my opinion.

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Speaker 1: Karl Lawson is a guy who had over fifty pressures

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Speaker 1: last season and he can't even get on the field

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Speaker 1: right now for this Jets defense. So, Argen, I know

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Speaker 1: if you've watched Hard Knocks, like you saw specifically Quinn

779
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Speaker 1: Williams in this defensive line just like really be the

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Speaker 1: biggest outside of Aaron Rodgers. So do you feel like

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Speaker 1: the Jets defensive line has has been living up to

782
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Speaker 1: these expectations that were set out back in back in

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Speaker 1: the summer.

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Speaker 3: I think they have And honestly, like I want to

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Speaker 3: give a shout out to another unit, I want to

786
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Speaker 3: give a shout out to the line or well shout

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Speaker 3: out because I worked at that, I was worked at

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Speaker 3: the two. Like the linebacking unit for the Dreads, Quincy

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Speaker 3: Williams and c. J. Mosley right now, for my money,

790
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Speaker 3: could be the second best linebacking duo in the league

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Speaker 3: behind Fred Warner and Trey green Love. You could make

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Speaker 3: the argument that they they've played better this season. Quincy

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Speaker 3: Williams obviously signed a three year, eighteen million dollar extension.

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Speaker 6: A lot of people at the time thought it was.

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Speaker 3: An overpaid because he had one kind of like okay,

796
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Speaker 3: like above average season, but you don't usually pay players

797
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Speaker 3: like that much money after that. But he's definitely proven

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Speaker 3: to be one of the better linebackers in the league.

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Speaker 3: I think he's one of the best pursuit linebackers, where

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Speaker 3: if you throw a screen pass or swing pass or

801
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Speaker 3: a running back, he's always there. And I think he's

802
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 3: done a tremendous shop in the run game. So I

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Speaker 3: think more than the defensive line, honestly, I think this

804
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Speaker 3: linebacking room has been such a stabilizing presence for the Jets,

805
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 3: given that they've had games where they've had Sauce Gardener're out,

806
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Speaker 3: they've had DJ Reid out, they've had their starting safety out,

807
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 3: like they've had injuries in the secondary. But I think

808
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Speaker 3: because of the linebacking room a CJ. Mosley, Quincy Williams,

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Speaker 3: they've done such a good job against the run, taking

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Speaker 3: away explosive plays and just being an overall a great

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Speaker 3: presence for setting up the defensive line for success as well.

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Speaker 5: It is unfair that you can have Will McDonald take

813
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Speaker 5: forty one pass rush snaps and Carl Lawson take forty

814
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Speaker 5: three pass rush snaps and be on pace for almost

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Speaker 5: four hundred pressures this season.

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Speaker 4: This front is so good and.

817
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Speaker 5: Chargers fans will totally get this. This front is so

818
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Speaker 5: good that they almost blitz as much as Gus Bradley

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Speaker 5: and the Colts because.

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Speaker 4: They don't need to to get pressure.

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Speaker 5: They only blitz zero point four percent more than the Colts,

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Speaker 5: which is thirty first in the league. That's how good

823
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Speaker 5: this front is now. Gus Bradley does that by choice.

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Speaker 5: The forty nine Ers don't need to because of how

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Speaker 5: these guys get pressure. They are excellent and I am

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Speaker 5: terrified of this group. I was terrified of the Cowboys front,

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Speaker 5: of course, and that certainly did not look pretty in

828
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Speaker 5: many moments. This Jets front is unfortunately even better, and

829
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Speaker 5: their linebackers are actually healthy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this is a really difficult matchup for

831
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Speaker 1: the Chargers offense. This is going to be a matchup

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Speaker 1: where you have to get the run game going this week.

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00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: This is definitely a game where you're trying to protect

834
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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, you know, limit the chances of making these

835
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Speaker 1: mistakes because you look at these defensive linemen for the

836
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: Jets and it's just it's just mind blowing. Bryce Huff,

837
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 1: one of the most efficient pass rushers in the league,

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Speaker 1: has really kind of taken that next step so far

839
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Speaker 1: this year. You know, Quinn Williams, I think is arguably

840
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Speaker 1: the best non Aaron Donald defensive tackle in the league,

841
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: depending on how you feel about him and Chris Jones,

842
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: but he's in that conversation, you know, Jermain Jermaine Johnson,

843
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: Quentin Jefferson, John Franken Meers like this is this is

844
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Speaker 1: a deep and explosive defensive line in The Chargers offensive

845
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Speaker 1: line has not outside of the vice Kians game, which

846
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Speaker 1: was more about like scheme and aggression, they haven't necessarily

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Speaker 1: risen to the challenge, and that was obviously when Corey

848
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Speaker 1: Lindsay was healthy. So I think the Chargers offensive line

849
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Speaker 1: had their best game this past week against the Bears.

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Speaker 1: I think hopefully you're seeing some of the kinks get

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Speaker 1: worked out that it had been giving them struggles. But

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Speaker 1: going from the Bears to the Jets is a pretty

853
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: drastic game for this charged offensive line. So I'm curious

854
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: to see how Brandon Staley and Kellen Moore get this

855
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Speaker 1: unit prepared for this because this is potentially the toughest

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00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 1: defense that this charged offense will see all season long.

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Speaker 3: One thing I did want to point out also, I

858
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Speaker 3: was looking at this last week actually, so I wanted

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Speaker 3: to look at like pressure rate and time to pressure

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Speaker 3: on non blitzes. So the Jets rank fifth in pressure

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Speaker 3: rate when they don't bled, so when they only sent

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00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 3: four rushers, but they actually have like an average time

863
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 3: to pressure for about two point six seconds, So they're

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Speaker 3: getting pressure, but they're not getting pressure super quickly, which

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Speaker 3: I think speaks to how good coverage unit is of

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Speaker 3: Sauce Gardner, DJ Reid, Michael Carter, and then the linebackers

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Speaker 3: obviously mentioned like you know you're not gonna get open quickly.

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Speaker 3: They also rank so with PFF, I have a stat

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Speaker 3: called perfectly covered plays just basically does every defender in

870
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Speaker 3: coverage do their job or receive a zero or a

871
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 3: positive grade by PFF. The Jets rank top five in

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00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 3: terms of perfectly covered rate on defense, so their coverage

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00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 3: is doing their job, which allows their pass rush to

874
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 3: have more time to get home, which they are at

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Speaker 3: about a thirty eight percent clip so on non blitzes.

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Speaker 3: And like Tyler talked about, they don't need to play.

877
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 3: It's because because they have a great front four. I

878
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 3: will say one thing that did happen al Woods towards Achilles.

879
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 3: He's not a huge part of what the Jets do.

880
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 3: He's more of a run stopping He's a huge, like

881
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 3: six six three forty pound defensive alignment, but that forces

882
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 3: guys like Quintin Jefferson to play more on early downs. Jefferson,

883
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 3: I think is more of a pass rushing specialist who

884
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 3: can mix it on early downs. But adding those snaps

885
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 3: onto his I think could reduce his efficiency. So there

886
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 3: are things I think that play into the Chargers favor.

887
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think overall this is probably the best

888
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 3: front four the Chargers are going to see for the

889
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 3: course of the season, maybe maybe outside of the Dallas Cowboys.

890
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 5: So I'm looking for, like any optimism here. Is there

891
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 5: any discernible either weakness in this defense or maybe just

892
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 5: an area the Chargers are good at, maybe the Jets

893
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 5: have trouble defending. I certainly can't think of anything right

894
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 5: now other than justin Herbert make good play, which happens

895
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 5: frequently and can happen. But other than that, is there

896
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 5: something that is maybe sustainable that the Charger will try

897
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 5: to exploit this week if possible at all.

898
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, the one thing from a data perspective that I

899
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 3: was looking at that the Chargers that matches up well

900
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 3: is running outside of the right tackle spots, running to

901
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 3: Trey Pipkins outside shoulder. So the Chargers this year are

902
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 3: averaging they're averaging about like a fifty. They're actually averaging

903
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 3: a fifty percent success rate when they run outside of

904
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 3: Trey Pipkins right shoulder, which is which is like about

905
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 3: six percent higher than the league average success rate in

906
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 3: those situations. The Jets worst the Jets run defense worst

907
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 3: gap is when teams run outside the right tackles right shoulder.

908
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 3: So the Chargers' best or one of the best run

909
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 3: gaps for the Chargers is running to Trey Pipkins outside shoulder.

910
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 3: And that's where the Jets defense struggle as well. And

911
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 3: part of that is because Bryce Huff Will McDonald, they're

912
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: they're very good at rushing the passer, but they're also

913
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 3: undersized pass rushers. Even Draymaine Johnson like he's very athletic,

914
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 3: I wouldn't very athletic.

915
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 6: I wouldn't say he has a ton of power.

916
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 3: He's he definitely has a bowl rush in his arsenal,

917
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 3: but I definitely think he can be a liability against

918
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 3: the run. He likes to line up over the right tackle,

919
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 3: whereas JFM is over the left tackle. So when you

920
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 3: talk about establishing the run game, you know this could

921
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 3: be a big Trey Pipkins, Jamari Sallier, whoever the tight

922
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 3: end is going to be.

923
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 6: Outside of Trey Pipkins.

924
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 3: I think if you want to run the ball, running

925
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 3: it to that right tackle spot outside the right tackle shoulder,

926
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 3: that because that's that's where statistically the charges have been good.

927
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 6: And also the Jets defensive struggled.

928
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that checks out.

929
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: I think Jamari and Trey like they have some communication

930
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: issues from a pass protection standpoint, but I've really loved

931
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: watching them run block and I think this past week

932
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: seeing Kellen Moore introduced the Jordan mcfatten hulk package was

933
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: a really nice surprise. I would like to see that

934
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Speaker 1: continue this week and maybe just kind of hammer that

935
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: point home. So I think this is normally the three

936
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Speaker 1: of us advocate for big justin Herbert games. I think

937
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 1: this needs to be a big running back game too,

938
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: and maybe get some jet sweeps with Daris Davis and

939
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: Quenton Johnson and just really established the run so to

940
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: speak this week.

941
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, fine by me.

942
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 5: I this is a week where I really don't care

943
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 5: how they get it done on offense. Just get like

944
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 5: seventeen points and you're probably winning this game, especially traveling

945
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 5: across the country, so you can get to seventeen.

946
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 4: But that's pretty good.

947
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

948
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: I think if you're a betting person, I think you're

949
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: smashing the under this week. Is what I'm gathering from

950
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: this conversation today.

951
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, yeah, you know, this was a lot of fun.

952
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: I think this is going to be a really interesting

953
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: trench matchup if you're if you're a fan of the trenches,

954
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: you're a fan of film, this this should be a

955
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: game that should be really exciting to watch for you.

956
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 2: Back on tape. And I'm excited to get to that point.

957
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: So we are.

958
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: We got an appearance from a gladial tonight. Love it

959
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 1: very fitting on Halloween that the dog makes an appearance.

960
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: All right, Arjin any final thoughts before we head out

961
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: for tonight.

962
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Speaker 3: Now, I really appreciate you guys having me on as well.

963
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 3: This was This was a very fun conversation to have,

964
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 3: And yeah, I'm excited for both. I'm excited for this game, obviously,

965
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 3: with rooting interest for both teams. I just hope that

966
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 3: both teams come out of their relatively healthy given all

967
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 3: the injuries that have happened on MetLife at the MetLife Turf.

968
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Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully, hopefully nothing major there, Tyler, any final thoughts

969
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 1: before we head out.

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00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 4: I'm so blummed Argie just said that.

971
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Speaker 5: Dude, I hope for nothing but health and happiness the

972
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Speaker 5: rest of the way.

973
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Speaker 2: Yeah, health and happiness. That's a good all right, guys,

974
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Speaker 2: that's going to do it for us tonight.

975
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Speaker 1: As always, make sure like subscribe, comment all that good stuff.

976
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Speaker 2: We really appreciate it.

977
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Speaker 1: We're obviously very grateful of the Chargers who have this

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Speaker 1: platform and appreciate Greg Kim and Brian Jorgensen for producing tonight.

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Speaker 2: That's going to do it for us. We'll see you

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Speaker 2: guys next week. As always, Both up,