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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to SAVER, a production of iHeartRadio. I'm

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Speaker 1: Lauren Vogel Bah. I'm standing in all by my lonesome

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Speaker 1: today for Annie Reese who is out on Jerry duty.

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Speaker 1: And today we have a classic episode for you about

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Speaker 1: candy corn. This one originally aired just after Halloween in

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen early November. Shout out to listener Eric for

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Speaker 1: putting this episode at the top of my mind by

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Speaker 1: drawing us into a Twitter thread with Holly Frye, who

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Speaker 1: is a big candy corn fan. I'd say I'm a

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Speaker 1: middling candy corn fan, but these are, of course a

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Speaker 1: contentious candy former. Annie and Lauren do have a lot

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Speaker 1: to say about that, and I'm going to let them

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Speaker 1: take it away.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to SAVOR. I'm Annie Reese.

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Speaker 1: And I'm Lauren vocal Bam. And today we're talking about

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Speaker 1: candy corn.

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Speaker 3: We are we really missed an opportunity to do a

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Speaker 3: scary like pun name. Oh well, yes, we're talking about

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Speaker 3: candy corn, which I guess if you're listening to this today,

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Speaker 3: it comes out perhaps you're in your post Halloween haze.

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Speaker 1: Huh, maybe you still have some little packets of candy

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Speaker 1: corn sitting around.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and maybe you're really excited about that, or maybe

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Speaker 3: you are very not excited about that.

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Speaker 1: Because people tend to fall into one of those two camps. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's a polarizing candy.

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Speaker 2: It is extremely polarizing. I would say one of the

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Speaker 2: most divisive of the candies. I firsontally think the circus

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Speaker 2: peanut is the worst.

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Speaker 1: Oh heck, okay, mm hmm, all right, that's a whole

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Speaker 1: other episode. It tastes like styrofoam, banana flavored styrofoam.

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Speaker 2: Does it have banana flavor?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Usually h Well.

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Speaker 3: Time called candy corn the most polarizing candy of them all.

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Speaker 3: Net Bas's Brand Passion Index found them to be the

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Speaker 3: most traditional candy of Halloween, least loved by consumers, one

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Speaker 3: that generated quote, the most negative feelings. In the words

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Speaker 3: of Lewis Black, candy corn is the only candy in

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Speaker 3: the history of America that's never been advertised. And there's

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Speaker 3: a reason all of the candy corn that was ever

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Speaker 2: In nineteen eleven. Mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: Or you have this from Chowhound quote, I think only

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Speaker 3: serial killers eat candy corn. And why a person would

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Speaker 3: choose candy corn over literally any other candy that's on

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Speaker 3: sale at Walgreens is.

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Speaker 2: Beyond me, okay?

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Speaker 3: Or how about this headline from Atlas Obscura quote a

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Speaker 3: coying kernel of evil, the history of candy corn, or

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Speaker 3: the nickname Satan's earwax, or this claim the leftover crumbs

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Speaker 3: and guy feeer Go tea would taste better than candy corn.

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Speaker 1: Oh snap, Yeah, that's an image that took me to

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Speaker 1: a place.

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Speaker 2: It does. It really paints a picture. Apparently.

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Speaker 3: There was a cartoon character named Moose, a moose on

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Speaker 3: a past nick junior show Moose and Z that was

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Speaker 3: known for, among other things, his Halloween song called I

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Speaker 3: don't like candy corn, but me personally, I'm actually kind

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Speaker 3: of ambivalent about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that's very measured of you.

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Speaker 2: It's fun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when I was a kid, it was definitely low

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Speaker 3: to your candy. But you know it's candy, right, It's

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Speaker 3: still made of sugar.

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Speaker 2: How about you.

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Speaker 4: I like candy corn.

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Speaker 1: I sort of like the texture and just the sort

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Speaker 1: of like nice mellow flavor to it. And I mean,

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Speaker 1: of it a year, and it definitely does not come

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Speaker 1: in bags of six pieces, right, and so I don't know,

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Speaker 1: Like once every couple of years, I like let myself

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Speaker 1: buy some. Then I have about six pieces that I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 3: That sounds like a sad short story. That's a metaphor

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Speaker 3: for something else, you know. I'm not sure what I'm

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Speaker 3: going to ponder on that later. What's your least favorite candy?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Goodness, I guess smarties, Like I don't really understand why

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I did read that a lot of people who

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Speaker 3: like candycorn like smarties.

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Speaker 4: Really.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's the texture is similar.

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Speaker 4: It's not similar at all.

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Speaker 2: Well, some people think it is.

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Speaker 4: It's definitely nice.

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Speaker 2: Lauren is very sure about this.

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Speaker 1: If candy corn, I'm talking about like the powdery the

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Speaker 1: chalky smarties, not the like chewy candies. The chewy smarty

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Speaker 1: candies are just fine, but the chalky ones are like,

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Speaker 1: why did you press sugar into this format? Like, why

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Speaker 2: Explain to me?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I demand answers. Well, you know where to reach us,

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Speaker 1: folks if you need to. I bet this gets the

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Speaker 1: most angry male of any episode. We've ever done.

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Speaker 3: Lauren likes candy co Side note, the day before Halloween,

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Speaker 3: October thirtieth, is Candy Corn.

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Speaker 4: Day, National Candy Corn Day here in the United States.

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Speaker 2: That's right, mm hmm. But this brings us to our

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Speaker 2: question candy corn. What is it?

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Speaker 1: Well, candy corn is what's called a mallow cream or

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Speaker 1: mellow cream or malo cream candy. It's made from a

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Speaker 1: few different kinds of sugar, and its flavored with a

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Speaker 1: But the texture is smooth and creamy, like a less

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Speaker 1: chewy caramel, or like room temperature chewy ice cream, like

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Speaker 1: solid frosting, like smoother mars of pan.

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Speaker 3: I feel like you're trying to pitch me an idea,

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Speaker 3: and my face is like the ideas are increasingly frantic.

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Speaker 4: Annie is not buying this plan.

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Speaker 1: They usually have a shiny glaze and they are super

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Speaker 1: sweet like I would say that the main flavor profile

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Speaker 1: is sweet. Candy corn in particular is shaped like kernels

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Speaker 1: of corn and is typically tricolored white, orange, and yellow.

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Speaker 1: One of the sugars used to make it is corn syrup.

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Speaker 1: So yes, there is some corn and candy corn. Technically

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Speaker 1: we should call this in defense of candy corn.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: I can't stop. What video game is it that has

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Speaker 3: the character named mallow?

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Speaker 4: Oh goodness, I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: Well, Listener's right in, because now I'm consumed with this

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Speaker 3: And he looked like a big marshmallow now that I

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Speaker 3: look back on it. Anyway, you have a whole Google,

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Speaker 3: a whole Google just for me. Uh huh, Well, another

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Speaker 3: talk about how candy corn is made.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty cool. Actually, Okay. The process can go

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Speaker 1: a couple of ways, but basically, you start by heating

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Speaker 1: like a meringue. Almost fondant is then added to increase

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Speaker 1: and the molds can be made either by packing corn

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Speaker 1: and coat it with a fine layer of cornstarch. But

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Speaker 1: either way, you've got these molds and the kernels in

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Speaker 1: the molds are tipped down and so then pumps inject

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Speaker 1: the white tip and then the orange center and then

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Speaker 1: the yellow top or bottom as the I mean, however

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Speaker 2: Look at it, Yeah, that's your worldview.

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Speaker 1: Oh are you bottom up? This got real deep?

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Speaker 1: But yeah, So once they're in the molds, the candies

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Speaker 1: never heard of it. It's made from powdered sugar, corn

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Speaker 1: melted marshmallows. And if you've ever seen one of those

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Speaker 1: of the ingredients in candy corn is more other candy.

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Speaker 2: Different other candy.

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Speaker 3: Sure, I thought fond it for a while was pronounced fondue,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I thought it was melted chocolate like fond dou.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not what it is.

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Speaker 1: I know you can make a chocolate fondant, but it's.

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Speaker 2: One of those things.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure why I ever thought that, but my

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Speaker 2: What that is.

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Speaker 4: Simplify.

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Speaker 1: No, And all those different types of sugar are used

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Speaker 1: So yeah, any disapproves of all of this. And I

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Speaker 1: a representative from Jelly Belly told Thrillist that the flavor

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Speaker 1: is quote a blend of creamy, fondent, rich marshmallow and

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Speaker 3: Those warm vanilla notes, Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: Like a wonderful jazz symphony show.

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Speaker 3: That is an interesting point, though, because a lot of

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Speaker 3: the complaints I read about candy corn were texture based,

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Speaker 3: when they don't like a food, it is texture related. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's kind of an interesting thing. I don't think I

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Speaker 3: that turns me offered onto it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I love the texture of some foods. That's why I

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Speaker 1: like I guess like bread and pasta and like gummies

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Speaker 1: so much. But yeah, the same batter for candy corn

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Speaker 1: is used to make other shapes sometimes, like wee little pumpkins,

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Speaker 1: and some people love them. In twenty sixteen, Bona Petite

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Speaker 1: mellow cream pumpkins. Because this isn't even a contest, didn't.

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Speaker 3: Benefit teat once say that was the worst candyto you know,

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Speaker 3: oh phone of tea. So how does one eat candy corn?

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Speaker 3: There there are actually instructions about how to do this.

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Speaker 2: There is a pole. Forty three percent of us.

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Speaker 3: Go top down, nibbling at the narrow end first, like

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Speaker 3: how most people not me eat a piece of pizza.

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Speaker 3: last almost all you air. Well, that's our overview of

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Speaker 3: Unlike most candies, candy corn is pretty specifically American. According

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Speaker 3: So when did candy corn become associated with Halloween? You ask,

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Speaker 1: And there's a nineteen fifty seven Brox ad that includes

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Speaker 3: of trick or treaters experienced gastro ande, testinal distress, or

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Speaker 3: even rashes and welts. The cause was orange dye and

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Speaker 3: number one, and only in large amounts was it causing

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Speaker 3: these issues. It makes me wonder just how much these

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Speaker 3: large amounts we're talking. Yeah, it wasn't just candy corn

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Speaker 3: that used orange dye number one. All kinds of things did,

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Speaker 3: from hot dogs to candy pumpkins. Though it had been

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Speaker 3: approved all the way back in nineteen oh six it

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Speaker 3: was actually poisonous.

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Speaker 4: Oops.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was made of coltar.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was derived from coal.

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Speaker 2: Tar, which isn't aspartame.

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Speaker 1: Again, like, we are all made of chemicals. Things can

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Speaker 1: be derived from a number of petroleum products, and if

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Speaker 1: in general, then that's a bad thing, maybe environmentally or

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Speaker 1: something like that. But the chemical itself, you know, isn't

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Speaker 1: maintaining some kind of property of coal or petroleum. It's

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Speaker 1: a chemical. We are all made of chemicals.

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Speaker 3: Every time you say that, it makes me think of

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Speaker 3: the Moby song We're all made of Stars.

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Speaker 1: I like my version better. So yeah, it was a

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Speaker 1: really big thing through the fifties in the sixties, and

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Speaker 1: then we started to get the more modern eras of

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Speaker 1: different weird chocolate treats and all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: And the dominance of it through that specific era has

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Speaker 1: led some candy experts to speculate that it's a nostalgia

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Speaker 1: thing for the baby boomer generation who grew up with

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Speaker 1: it being this specific Halloween treat, and that it just

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Speaker 1: confuses the heck out of gen xers and millennials, who

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Speaker 1: you know, had more options when we were kids.

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Speaker 2: That makes sense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, nostalgia is a powerful thing.

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Speaker 3: It reminds me of this experience I had when I

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Speaker 3: was taking a lyft a couple months ago.

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Speaker 2: It was really late and my lift driver was an

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Speaker 2: older African American woman. I was clearly like out of it.

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Speaker 3: I think it was late, and she says, would you

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Speaker 3: like some candy? And I said no, and she was like,

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Speaker 3: take some candy. And I was like, okay, She's like no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: take some candy.

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Speaker 2: I take it. And that's a candy I've never seen before.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know what it is.

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Speaker 3: I can't tell you what it was, okay, but it

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Speaker 3: looks like a life saver.

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Speaker 2: I believe it was called apple. Oh oh yeah, yeah, sure.

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Speaker 3: I put it in my mouth and it becomes clear

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Speaker 3: that this is a candy that's never going to go away.

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Speaker 3: Oh And she sort of snickers and she says, back

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Speaker 3: in my day, candy was going to last you for months.

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Speaker 3: Candy these days, that's not the real thing. That's not

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Speaker 3: how candy's supposed to be. And then she went into

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Speaker 3: all these stories about how she would take this candy

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Speaker 3: and put it in like a Kleenex.

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Speaker 2: Oh and like come back for later. Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 3: And she'd teach her grandkids a lesson because they would

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Speaker 3: come and try to steal her candy, and she'd be like, well,

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Speaker 3: jokes on you, kid, because that was in my mouth. Really,

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Speaker 3: it was quite the memorable lift bridge.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's great, though it was. It was I thought

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Speaker 2: I appreciated the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: As we record, the Halloween has not happened yet. And

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Speaker 3: as I mentioned in another episode, I have five candies

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Speaker 3: I have to get for free, and I have.

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Speaker 2: All but one. Oh yeah yeah.

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Speaker 3: And our office manager saw me like dive for an

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Speaker 3: almond joy the other day.

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Speaker 2: They're very rare.

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Speaker 3: So I gotta find a butter finger, all right, cross

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Speaker 3: your fingers for me, listeners.

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Speaker 4: I think good better finger thoughts.

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Speaker 2: It's a curse. It has to be free. I can't

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Speaker 2: buy it. This is the rule. I don't know what

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Speaker 2: will happen. I think the universe it will be like

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Speaker 2: the end of Cabin in the Woods.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, don't get man.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's in everybody's best interest that this happen.

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Speaker 4: That this happens.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'll.

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Speaker 2: Keep an eye out.

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Speaker 3: I will, but I think if you buy it it

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Speaker 3: won't count either. It has to just appear somehow.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you have to like forge it.

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Speaker 3: In the wild, exactly exactly. It's just growing next to

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Speaker 3: some Chantarell's. Well that's my next couple of days, just

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Speaker 3: searching for a better finger. If you see me wandering around, well,

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Speaker 3: good luck, thank.

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Speaker 4: You, yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 1: That brings us to the end of this classic Candycorn episode.

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Speaker 1: We hope that you enjoyed listening or re listening as

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Speaker 1: much as we did, and if you have any thoughts

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Speaker 1: about candycorn, we would love to hear them. You can

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