WEBVTT - Weird Al

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>is joy. I talk to interest in people about what

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<v Speaker 1>brings them happiness.

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<v Speaker 2>Weird Aal Yankovic.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't love weird Dally Yankovic, I have one

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<v Speaker 1>question for you.

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<v Speaker 2>How long have you been in Al Qaeda? Here is

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I feel like I feel like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've done shows were like happen hour in like is

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<v Speaker 2>this the show? Are we doing the show? No, we

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<v Speaker 2>are doing the show. It's all right, So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>sit up straight, don't do anything. Don't radio voice, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>use your radio voice. Don't mention anything that will get

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<v Speaker 2>you or me canceled, or maybe you do. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that it's now come full circle and you have to

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<v Speaker 2>say something that gets you canceled so that you're participating.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't get canceled every decadar So people wonder what's

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<v Speaker 2>wrong with you. Well, yeah, you get canceled. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if you if actually is the thing that you

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<v Speaker 2>get canceled.

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<v Speaker 1>Does anybody really get canceled? I mean yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of people got canceled. I mean, but they

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<v Speaker 1>were like really really bad. Really yeah, yeah, they're like

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<v Speaker 1>they were like jail canceled. Yes, but when you're jail canceled, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>jail canceled. That that's like the gold standard of canceled.

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<v Speaker 1>So listen to me and and say nothing until I finish. Okay, no,

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<v Speaker 1>listen to me. It's lovely to see you. I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>seen you since oh my god, since maybe Scotland.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it that longer? Yeah, I guess it might have been.

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<v Speaker 1>It may have been. Oh no, maybe I think you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I think I saw you. Maybe I saw

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<v Speaker 1>you in my host in Elia. I was getting a tattooed.

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<v Speaker 1>And you can't have a look because you've never seen

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<v Speaker 1>anyone get a tattooed, not up clothes, which I have

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<v Speaker 1>to say out as someone who has the broken roller

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<v Speaker 1>dances you have. You're really, you're very You're lacking a

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<v Speaker 1>lot in tattoos.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a big fan of needles, you know. I

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<v Speaker 2>just I just, actually, like an hour ago, got my

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<v Speaker 2>COVID booster and flu shots. Oh so Bill Gates knows

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<v Speaker 2>you're here that well, I don't know. It's oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>I either got the one where Bill Gates is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be controlling my mind, or I got the one

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<v Speaker 2>where my five g phone is going to turn me

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<v Speaker 2>into a zombie. So I'm not sure which one I got.

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<v Speaker 2>I only just heard about that.

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<v Speaker 1>The theory about that that noise on your phone goes

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<v Speaker 1>off triggers your COVID.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it turns you in Fuh. I like that cool. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they think of a lot, they think of all the

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<v Speaker 2>cold so creative. Yeah, it's lovely, but I will see this.

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<v Speaker 1>I got my COVID jabs in Scotland, so I think

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<v Speaker 1>it won't work in me. I think it basically if

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<v Speaker 1>it mang goes off, I turned into fat back. Once

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<v Speaker 1>you across the border, it's all bets are off.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you get COVID? I did? Yeah, I was so

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<v Speaker 2>very very careful. But we toured last year for six months,

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, I think I was the first one to

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<v Speaker 2>kick COVID. You got it and then you infected the

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<v Speaker 2>whole band. Yeah no, no, we all just took turns.

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<v Speaker 2>We all thankfully nobody got not more than one person

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<v Speaker 2>in the band got COVID at the same time, but

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<v Speaker 2>we all took turns. Well. I think that that's very

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<v Speaker 2>profession it was a very professional way to approach the band.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we could all have learned from that. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you call your band? Just the weird Al band? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I call him.

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<v Speaker 2>Jim Steve and John Ruban, I guess, but the collective

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<v Speaker 2>none for the band, just yeah Al's band. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>for a while, we're changing the name of the band

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<v Speaker 2>every tour, like back when Dirty Stupid was the album

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<v Speaker 2>there with a stupid band or you know, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>like a theme for the album, but we gave up

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<v Speaker 2>on that. Look, I have a name for a band,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think you can have it if you think

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<v Speaker 2>it for free? Yeah, okay, you're ready, Yes, call on Floss,

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<v Speaker 2>coll On Floss, coll on Floss. Yeah, what do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it too too much? You know, I'm gonna I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna put that in my back pocket and near and

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<v Speaker 2>stick a pen in any well, see what you did say?

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<v Speaker 2>What you did? Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, you've been on tour. I was talking to Suzan,

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<v Speaker 1>your lovely lady wife about this. You've been on tour

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, like like for the past like thirty years continually. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much? Right, well a lot a lot?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Do you still love it? I do? You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's my favorite part of what I do. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like being away from my loved ones. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>you take them with you. They do it now now

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<v Speaker 2>that we're empty nesting. My wife and I actually my

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<v Speaker 2>wife joined me on the entire last flag of the

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<v Speaker 2>tour because we did Australia and euro up in Hawaiian

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<v Speaker 2>and she thought, oh, that might be fun, so we

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<v Speaker 2>got She got to actually tour with me. So that

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<v Speaker 2>was nice. That was nice. It was your daughter in college?

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<v Speaker 2>She is, Yeah, she's she's on the East Coast. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't believe that. I'm so old. She used to be

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<v Speaker 2>a baby and now she's in college. I've got one

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<v Speaker 2>of them that used to be a baby and is

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<v Speaker 2>finished college. Wow. And then the other one used to

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<v Speaker 2>be a baby and does it school and is a teenager. Ooh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's pretty rough. You know, the teenagers thing. What would

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<v Speaker 2>you like as a teenager? You rebellious? Well, in not

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<v Speaker 2>as such. I mean I was. You know, you've heard

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<v Speaker 2>my song white and Nerdy. That was me. I graduated

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<v Speaker 2>high school when I was sixteen as the valedictorian. So

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<v Speaker 2>I was one of those straighting nerds that people like

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<v Speaker 2>to beat up at recess. Wait, so you were bullied

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<v Speaker 2>a little? I mean, you know, I did I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>literally get beat up all the time, but I go

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<v Speaker 2>totally Barbara on right now, I'm going, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>do it. Alice, it was like, no Ah, you you

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<v Speaker 2>were bullied, right, It's true. It's a repressed memory. It's

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<v Speaker 2>all coming back now. So you were you were bullied

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<v Speaker 2>in that.

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<v Speaker 1>Because we've talked about this, and it's about every single

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<v Speaker 1>time I talked to you in a recording format. We

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<v Speaker 1>talked about eat It because it was my first exposure

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<v Speaker 1>to weird. Awa Yankovic was in a I was in

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<v Speaker 1>a cab in New York. I was very, very affected

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<v Speaker 1>by the narcotics that I've had fairly recently. To the

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<v Speaker 1>cab right starting and I heard eat It. And it

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<v Speaker 1>was the cab driver I remember was Egyptian.

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<v Speaker 2>And when when you sang have a banana, half a

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<v Speaker 2>whole bunch, it doesn't matter what you've had for lunch,

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<v Speaker 2>he had to pull over. We were both laughing so hard,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't think he'd been taking some narcotics. I

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<v Speaker 2>had said, we have a lot more narcotics. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was dangerous. Hell people could have got hurt, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I I don't hold myself liable for any of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I had my record label sign a waiver that if

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<v Speaker 2>anybody is any traffic accidents.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an interesting world you've comeved for yourself though, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like who's the new WEIRDL or who is

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<v Speaker 1>the weird al before weird Ow.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just weird hell. I mean, you know they're there

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<v Speaker 2>for a while, I was getting pitched a bunch of teeth.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a period of time where I literally had six

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<v Speaker 2>different production companies say we want you to host a

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<v Speaker 2>show called find a New Weird Al. No, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>one of these reality shows. And I was like, why

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<v Speaker 2>would I want to do that? I'm already and still

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<v Speaker 2>and continue to be weird al. Why don't we want

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<v Speaker 2>a new weird al?

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<v Speaker 1>But that's it seems so strange to me because they

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<v Speaker 1>that's that. I feel that's rude. But was that, like

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<v Speaker 1>Simon cow You can tell me it was it, Simon Cole?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that? I mean? I might have bad I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>He sends to me like a try and fight America's

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<v Speaker 2>new weird Right? How does how did you get the

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<v Speaker 2>name weird? It was something that was kind of foisted

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<v Speaker 2>on me in college. I think my freshman year in

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<v Speaker 2>the dorms in college is ironic because you're not weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Well no, I think you know, they thought I was

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<v Speaker 2>weird because I were a little weird. That's gonna say.

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<v Speaker 1>It's come full circle. It's like drinking yourself sober. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not weird, We'll call him weird, but yeah, actually

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<v Speaker 1>are weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I would be roaming around the halls of my

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<v Speaker 2>dorm and people would say, Oh, who's that just weird?

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<v Speaker 2>Hell weird? Uh yeah, and then I just took it

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<v Speaker 2>on as a radio name professionally.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm going to ask you something about this because

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<v Speaker 1>you strike me as someone who should have gone through

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<v Speaker 1>a goth period.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't think dead. Did you a goth period? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you should have been a goth man, there's still time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>well that's kind of where I was going with this.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's I didn't become a goth either,

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<v Speaker 1>and we could do goth things together, likeng out and

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<v Speaker 1>be in a bad mood pot phase and I had punk.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it's not the same. Yeah, you know you

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<v Speaker 2>don't know anything about it. Shut up, Dad, I hate you.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I'm saying is we could wear black lipstick

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<v Speaker 1>and hang out and mat and go to the I

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<v Speaker 1>just where we record.

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<v Speaker 2>This place is right next to the Museum of Death. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even know about that. Yeah, it's a museum

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<v Speaker 2>right nearby and it's called the Museum of the Graveyard. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so, I'm too scared to go in.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they should rebrand graveyards as museums of death. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a road sign in the town that I drive

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<v Speaker 1>into in Scotland sometimes and it says retail park and

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<v Speaker 1>it points to the left, and cemetery and it points

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<v Speaker 1>to the right. And every time we drive by, Megan

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<v Speaker 1>who you know, my wife always says, buying it, bought it.

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<v Speaker 1>So listen, you leave school at sixteen having been horribly bullied.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell, let's go with that. Yeah you weren't really were

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<v Speaker 2>you it? This is in La though, right, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Lynnwood Linwood Knights represent no lynn Wood. I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>I live alley for twenty over twenty years. I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>even heard a line. Would I went to the same

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<v Speaker 2>high school as Sugar Night and who else? Mark House?

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<v Speaker 2>How's he doing? He never calls, he never writes. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>worried sick about him, did does see you in the

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<v Speaker 2>school hall of fame schools? I didn't know either if

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<v Speaker 2>I was talking to Vetna Cole Brown about it. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>this will annoy you as much as annoyed me. Vetnicole

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<v Speaker 2>Brown went to the same school as our Senior Hall

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<v Speaker 2>and their school has a Hall of Fame and they

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<v Speaker 2>have a hall which you know, like the gym like

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<v Speaker 2>the gymnasium as a hall, and they named the hall.

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<v Speaker 2>Now remember our Senior Hall went to this this. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>with you, Nicole Brown Hall. I'm like you, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>and it should have beout our Senio Hall Hall.

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<v Speaker 1>Senior Hall Hall is what I said, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>hall Hall, right, And then you can have a Vetnicole Brown,

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<v Speaker 1>you know else staff toilet.

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<v Speaker 2>Or something, but no territorial clock.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean she she can, you know, she's a very

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<v Speaker 1>magnificent human being, but nothing else but a whole Come

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<v Speaker 1>on the hall if you have or cito. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I love it, but but come on exactly anyway, That's

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<v Speaker 1>that was when I found out schools have halls of fame.

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<v Speaker 2>But you just doesn't right. Maybe it's a secret one,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe after being a guild or.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you know, and it's Shug's in it and you're

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<v Speaker 1>not in it, saying that's probably what happened. So did

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<v Speaker 1>you graduate school at sixteen?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, so I started high school when I was twelve. Wow. Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Were you like some like Doogie Housers? You know? I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I think my parents had me start kindergarten a

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<v Speaker 2>year before they should have, and then in second grade

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<v Speaker 2>they thought I was too advanced that they just brought

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<v Speaker 2>me right in the third grade. So my whole youth,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like two years younger than most of my classmates.

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<v Speaker 2>That's kind of interesting because that's going to make you

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<v Speaker 2>feel like a little bit of an outsider. Did you

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<v Speaker 2>feel like an outside? Well, yes, I did, But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think it was totally because of my age, because,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, I was I was pretty nerdy, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was I was pretty you know, awkwardly and not

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<v Speaker 2>very social. So I think even if I was the

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<v Speaker 2>same age, I still would have kind of stood out

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<v Speaker 2>and not really fit in. Yeah. I think that's possibly true.

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<v Speaker 1>And the thing is about it as well, I think

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a lot of people don't know this about you.

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<v Speaker 1>You're very techy, aren't you. I mean you're very You're

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<v Speaker 1>very knowledgeable about particularly musical stuff. Is what I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to say, Like, do you keep up on like all

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<v Speaker 1>the like synth technology and the like super like what

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<v Speaker 1>does it call that thing again?

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<v Speaker 2>Auto beep or something erotic?

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<v Speaker 1>Auto erotic massage? I think that's it's that musical thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems to be. Actually it's done with a few musicians,

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<v Speaker 2>for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>It would it be terrible though, if I was gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do that, and I'm not saying I haven't, but I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't done it today.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but if I was going to do that, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>be scared. You know, well you should be. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like to feel scared when I'm on my own.

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<v Speaker 2>You should not feel that way. All right, let's get

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<v Speaker 2>that us.

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<v Speaker 1>So, so if you graduate high school at sixty WHATBS

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<v Speaker 1>did you go to college?

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<v Speaker 2>I did? I went to the California Polytechnic State University

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<v Speaker 2>at San Luis Obispo. That's a catchy one, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>T shirts are three feet wide. Get the whole name

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<v Speaker 2>on there. Wow, Sant Louis Episto Abispo Abisspe. Is that

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<v Speaker 2>where they have the hotel? That's yes, they have a

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<v Speaker 2>hotel there, but it's good. Madonna's Madonna and Yeah, have

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<v Speaker 2>you been there? I have you?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's that's the you know, tourist attraction in San Labe. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I went to the I think I stayed in the

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<v Speaker 1>flint Stones room. Oh, the Caveman room.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Caveman. There's like a three three year waiting list

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<v Speaker 2>for that room. He must be like important or something. No, No,

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<v Speaker 2>this was way back in the day.

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<v Speaker 1>This is before the internet had snuck up with the

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<v Speaker 1>Madonna and there's the other one.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you stayed there? I I think I think one

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<v Speaker 2>time when we the band played sant Luisibiso, I think

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<v Speaker 2>they arranged to actually have a stay at Madonna and

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<v Speaker 2>which is pretty cool. Yeah. Do you remember what room

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<v Speaker 2>you were in? Not the cave Man room. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>quite that. That's maybe then I have seen it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was for a whole event I was doing on

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<v Speaker 1>my own about auto erotic cave dwelling.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So what did you study at college? Architecture? No? See,

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<v Speaker 2>what the hell? What was I doing? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you still into architecture? You know, not so much.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I appreciate a good building, but you know

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<v Speaker 2>it kind do you like do you like a brutalist

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<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of German bowhouse type of brown ones,

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<v Speaker 2>brown buildings, and you would have been a terrible architect.

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<v Speaker 2>I was the worst. Yeah, because you have what kind

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<v Speaker 2>of building you gotta put up out brown one? I

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<v Speaker 2>think this needs a brown one? Can we see a drawing?

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<v Speaker 1>But you the reason I say about the techie stuff

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<v Speaker 1>is because you do the best birthday cars in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Anybody who's a friend of yours that you do the greatest,

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<v Speaker 1>greatest birthday car and.

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<v Speaker 2>No thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>And I showed the last one you did for me,

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<v Speaker 1>which was sensational, and I showed it to my youngest

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<v Speaker 1>son and he's like, Liam, who you of course, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, oh my god, that must have taken him weeks

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<v Speaker 2>to do that. And I was like, yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it really did. But it didn't. I'll did it well,

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<v Speaker 2>it did, but I have to confess you're not the

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<v Speaker 2>only person who sent that card too. I changed the

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<v Speaker 2>names for the other people though. But so it's a

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like super high tech jib jab thing. It is.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's a I guess we'll give him a plug.

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<v Speaker 2>It's American Greetings and it's a it's a birthday card.

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<v Speaker 2>People think oh, it's a I they had you like

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<v Speaker 2>doing like all these different names. You like, they made

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<v Speaker 2>your mouth move and made the word no. It's old school.

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<v Speaker 2>I literally had to go through like over a thousand

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<v Speaker 2>names to do that, and every single age and every

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so I had to you know, there are

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<v Speaker 2>like two different times when I mentioned somebody's names, so

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<v Speaker 2>I had to go twice through the entire scene with

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<v Speaker 2>a thousand names. It's a lot of work. Why did

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<v Speaker 2>you do this? I mean, because the card is fine, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I just wanted to freak you out. It

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<v Speaker 2>freaked me out. Or when I go to I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, it's crazy. I really genuine I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not illiterate in the world of tech, but I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea how he did this.

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<v Speaker 1>I have genuinely no idea. And I remember years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>You might not remember that, but when I was on

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<v Speaker 1>the Drew Carey Show. I played Drew's English boss, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>mister Wick, and you came on the show and you

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<v Speaker 1>did a like a rap video type thing with Drew.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember that a rap video?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I can't know it was. I was joining

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<v Speaker 2>Drew's band at the very end or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>They made another recordion player.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was something, didn't you do some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like it looked like a kind of nineties rap thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember, but you're probably confused me. The only thing,

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<v Speaker 1>the main thing I remember about doing the Drew Carry

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<v Speaker 1>show was it was right after I had my laser surgery,

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<v Speaker 1>so I wasn't doing the glasses and the mustache anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>and the producers insisted that I have the glasses of

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<v Speaker 1>the mustache otherwise how are.

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<v Speaker 2>They gonna help? You know?

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<v Speaker 1>They did the same with Drew Drew on that show,

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<v Speaker 1>he got lasix and he lost like forty pounds and

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<v Speaker 1>these to make.

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<v Speaker 2>Wear a fats really seasons. I was like, he's coming in,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I got, I got a fatso on and put

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<v Speaker 2>the glasses on, so they knew it was Drew Carry.

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<v Speaker 1>But he had lost the way. I don't feel so

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<v Speaker 1>bad now. I also didn't have to wear a fatster.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't English either. I had to plan to be English.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it was a mess. It's a mess, you gotta

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<v Speaker 2>do it. Yeah, did you ever do a sitcom for

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<v Speaker 2>atlant at time? Not in a length at time? No,

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<v Speaker 2>I did some animated stuff. I was. I was Mile

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<v Speaker 2>Murphy and Mile Murphy's Law, but I was never in

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<v Speaker 2>any kind of live action. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so let me ask you this. You're in doing architecture.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you graduate as an architect?

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<v Speaker 2>I did, got my degree. I could design your house tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 2>very very very badly. So if really, yeah, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>never knew this, But I don't know why I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know this. I've done you for quite a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know you were an architect. Well I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a degreking an architect. And there's a few

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<v Speaker 2>other steps you have to go through before you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>actually practice? No, you never did, did you do? What

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<v Speaker 2>about you any of your houses that you live in?

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever designed them? No? What about shoving? Did

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<v Speaker 2>you even divine as shoving? Universal? You know, I will

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<v Speaker 2>say I designed a couple of my bathroom remodels. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>fair enough.

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't make your own, you know, it just makes

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<v Speaker 1>you a guy who goes to the bathroom service.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think the.

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<v Speaker 1>Series closets would be nice, Yes, they would be lovely.

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<v Speaker 2>So what happened? You graduate as an architect? But radio

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<v Speaker 2>is what you love? Right? Yeah? I just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know what I was going to do when

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<v Speaker 2>I graduated. I didn't think I'd have a career in

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<v Speaker 2>showbiz or anything like that. But I figured, like I graduated,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, what nineteen twenty and I figured, actually

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<v Speaker 2>my senior year in college, Capital Records put out my

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<v Speaker 2>Bologna because I recorded that in the bathroom across the

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<v Speaker 2>radio station. But yeah, it was. And I still didn't think, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is when I when I'm going to be doing

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<v Speaker 2>for the next forty years. But I thought, well, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, I've got a sinkle on Capitol Records. I

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<v Speaker 2>might as well knock on some doors and see if

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<v Speaker 2>I can make anything out of this kooky career thing.

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<v Speaker 2>There wasn't like a plan then. It just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>you followed the hood of the car and it took

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<v Speaker 2>you where it was going. Pretty much. I think that's great.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I was a found of the Doctor Demanto show,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was giving me a lot of as talked

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<v Speaker 2>to me, adulta dementto because I'm illiterate in the world

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<v Speaker 2>Adulta Demanto, okay, other than what I've seen portrayed fictionally.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have to take me through what eyes because

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<v Speaker 1>it's a real cult thing in LA. Right, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to join a cult to listen to the show. Yes, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Well there's a few cults in LA and I get that,

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<v Speaker 1>but this particular one and it was a real cult favorite, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah. So yeah, Doctor Demantou whose real name is

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<v Speaker 2>Barry Hanson. He was on kmie T in Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 2>for decades. It is like a local radios. Yes, it's local.

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<v Speaker 2>But his show became so popular that became syndicated nationwide

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<v Speaker 2>and I think maybe around the world a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>but mostly in North America. But he got famous for

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<v Speaker 2>playing all sorts of comedy and novelty and just weird

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<v Speaker 2>stuff from his personal record club. And he had a huge,

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<v Speaker 2>huge record collection at home. Is if you wherever it

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<v Speaker 2>was house like, you go to his kitchen, open the cupboards.

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<v Speaker 2>They're full of records. They're just records everywhere. Final, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and he collects everything now. But he has a huge,

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<v Speaker 2>huge vinyl collection. Is that where you first heard it?

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<v Speaker 2>May have been how I first heard? Is it? Bubby

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<v Speaker 2>Pickett and the Crip Kickers.

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<v Speaker 1>Muster Mash, Yeah, which is still one of my favorite songs. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a great song.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, that was a big like our top forty radiohos.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure if I heard that on Demento or

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<v Speaker 2>just on khe J or whatever one of the big guns,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I mean that's where I got exposed to

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<v Speaker 2>like Spike Jones and Alan Sherman and Tom Lahra and

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<v Speaker 2>Stan Freeberger and all these these people, and I thought, wow, well, maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a it's a real world though that it was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a I'm not going to say his niche

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<v Speaker 1>because it's too big for that, but it was. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a world which existed outside of the mainstream, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean yeah, and yet when you were the guy

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<v Speaker 1>who kind of brought up mainstream really and yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean you were the you kind of broke out of

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<v Speaker 1>the of the kind of the subterranean, weird record listening

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<v Speaker 1>world to.

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<v Speaker 2>My Bologna was probably the one that did it, right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that was the first one for sure. I mean doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Menel played again all sorts of his personal records, but

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<v Speaker 2>I was one of the few people that was just

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<v Speaker 2>like sending him unsolicited material in the mail and he'd

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<v Speaker 2>play that and and I was it was definitely a

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<v Speaker 2>breakout because it lit up the request lines. As I say,

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<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden, that's so cute, the request

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<v Speaker 2>lines and all. Isn't that like simpler times? Yes? Yes, times?

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<v Speaker 1>So in the in this world that you read, it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like it was simpler times. How do you approach it?

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<v Speaker 2>No? Do you have like the tickety talk and the

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram and the I got some of that. I'm still

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<v Speaker 2>ostensibly on Twitter, although I haven't really, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think Twitter doesn't really exist anymore, does it. I think

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<v Speaker 2>some other is like definitely being declauded for sure. It's

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<v Speaker 2>something's happened to that. So I'm you know, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I'm slow quitting or I just

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<v Speaker 2>haven't posted in a while. But I'm theoretically still on Twitter,

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<v Speaker 2>but mostly Instagram. I'm on Blue Sky and I'm on

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<v Speaker 2>a don't know that one. I don't know what about Bengo?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know that one? Bingo? No, Bengo, It's it's

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<v Speaker 2>a new one. I just like made it up. I

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<v Speaker 2>like it though, Bengo'll sign up? Can you Bingo? Me? Sure? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>And if you get a good one, you let you go.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a Bengo you get and then you do memes

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<v Speaker 2>of Christopher Christopher and Christopher walks. He says it an

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<v Speaker 2>inglorious pasta. It's a Bengal's a Nazi, Nazi bingo everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you're in this world, like you move out

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<v Speaker 1>of this rather kind of sweet, nerdy world of architecture, comedy, songs,

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<v Speaker 1>but then you become kind of a you get drawn

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<v Speaker 1>into the world of rock music, which is slightly less innocent.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you hear the siren call of black tar heroine?

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<v Speaker 2>Not so much. I mean, I mean, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if it's my reputation preceding me, but it's like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think I ever really got like offered drugs on

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<v Speaker 2>the road or a party even offered you drugs. No

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<v Speaker 2>so rude yet that is I feel bad. If I'd

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<v Speaker 2>have been around then I would certainly have offered some.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate that. That's shocking. I'm my fellow for me drugs,

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<v Speaker 2>so I can be offended and say no.

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<v Speaker 3>Margaret Dumont Brothers movies, So you were walking around dressed

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<v Speaker 3>as Margaret Dumont with a big dress on, and it

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<v Speaker 3>never called to you that that wellness or were you

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<v Speaker 3>scared of it or were you doing drugs?

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<v Speaker 2>Well?

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<v Speaker 1>Just the kind of because it was a particularly wild

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of debauched era of rock, wasn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I guess, I mean, it depends what what circus

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<v Speaker 2>you're traveling. I mean, I guess you know. I did

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<v Speaker 2>promise my parents that I wouldn't do drugs, so I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>We all did that, Yeah, But I mean, and I

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<v Speaker 2>mostly I think I was just afraid that drugs would

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<v Speaker 2>turn me normal and I couldn't have it would be

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<v Speaker 2>back for my career. Have it like a reverse yeah thing,

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<v Speaker 2>reverse wed all. So that's the thing you can have

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<v Speaker 2>that I've found out on the internet. I've had a

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<v Speaker 2>reverse weirdo. You would not like it. Oh, I on

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<v Speaker 2>the other hand, loved it. Oh that makes it the

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<v Speaker 2>reverse weird. So let me ask you this.

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<v Speaker 1>You started playing the accordion when you were a kid, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because you just like the accordions. I got to tell you,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, when you were at my house in Scotland,

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<v Speaker 1>remember we found that old accordion.

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<v Speaker 2>You your basement, basement base. What we call it the crypt, right,

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<v Speaker 2>We don't just call it the crypt, it's a crypt, yes, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So we found that old accordion down there, which I

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<v Speaker 1>thought was amazing. It was like two days before you

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<v Speaker 1>arrived and then you were looking at this order, which

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<v Speaker 1>I still have that I think.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's kind of dad, this accordion. But have you

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<v Speaker 2>ever practicing? No, no, I gotta be honest, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I dram but the ghosts play the accordion. Ah. But

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<v Speaker 2>the thing is about it. I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 2>ever told you this.

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<v Speaker 1>The night we had a little kley, a little Scottish

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<v Speaker 1>dance in the house and the accordion and fiddle player

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<v Speaker 1>were there. When you came in and played the accordion

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<v Speaker 1>with those guys, it was like Elvis had arrived.

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<v Speaker 2>They were so they were like, wait, what if that's

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<v Speaker 2>fucking weird? Now, what the fuck is happening?

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<v Speaker 3>Because in this it's going and they play Accordions album,

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<v Speaker 3>so they know who you are, and they're they're like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh my god, It's like it was so fucking weird.

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<v Speaker 2>And they were just I just got to say, you

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<v Speaker 2>made their entire year. They were very great and it

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<v Speaker 2>was pretty good. You were in your your fingers were walking.

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<v Speaker 2>I can I can figure pretty well, yeah you can.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's part of the reverse weird there you believe

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<v Speaker 2>there you go. So when you're in this world of

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<v Speaker 2>you kind of comedy songs, this is kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>niche world. I could be honest with you. Comedy songs

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<v Speaker 2>never really did it for me until I listened to you.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really, I don't really who are you listening before?

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<v Speaker 1>When I think about it, I think, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if I've ever heard any comedy songs it said for you?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like really, so I guess somebody doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>they just haven't. I haven't remembered Anny well so well

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<v Speaker 1>you so like in Scotland, who would have been the

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<v Speaker 1>comedy songs? Well, anyone in the UK? Oh you know

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<v Speaker 1>what Neil Ennis? Okay, yeah, Neil Ennis was. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a goddamn genius. Oh yes, love love Neil He did

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<v Speaker 1>you know?

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<v Speaker 2>Not? Well? I went to see him a McCabe's guitar, shappy.

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<v Speaker 2>I went with the emflso went to see him performance.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to hang out with them for a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>So I didn't really know him knowing, but we've always

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<v Speaker 2>been a huge fan before spinal tap.

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<v Speaker 1>He and Eric Idol did the Ruttles, which was a

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<v Speaker 1>Beatles PASTI perfect, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Was amazing, amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, really I still listened to it. I must tell

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<v Speaker 1>Eric this, I still listened to the Ruttles. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>like listening to it. Yeah, it's just like Beatles songs

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<v Speaker 1>to me. Yeah, they are like Beatles songs. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>finding new Beatles songs from different Is this amazing? That

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<v Speaker 1>cheese and say cheese and onion. Every every time I

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<v Speaker 1>have something with cheese and onions, I start singing ruddles of.

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<v Speaker 2>Mine guys buys and that's a nice cheason c O N.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't spell out e easy A d Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>It's great stuff. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I always thought my rule forever doing comedy. If

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<v Speaker 1>I was ever gonna parody something, I always thought, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to be at least as good as what you're parodying,

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<v Speaker 1>or you're gonna be You're gonna look like an idiot.

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Is that something that we try? We try, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we try to copy it. You know, I've had the

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<v Speaker 2>same band for over forty years and they're all amazing musicians.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of I probably shouldn't say this, but sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>when we're like doing like a uh, you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>parody and we're trying to copy the original track, sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>my drummer will say, do you want me to play

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<v Speaker 2>it exactly like they played it? Or or or correctly? Yeah? Better?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's interesting. So you do that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when you do these songs, but on tour, you do

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<v Speaker 1>do a whole set.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is no party songs. Right, well, we did. We

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<v Speaker 2>did that for two tours. We did the ridiculously ill

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<v Speaker 2>advised Vanity Tour and then the unfortunate return of the

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<v Speaker 2>Ridiculous Vanity Tour, and that was that was most mostly

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<v Speaker 2>for the hardcore fans, because we didn't do really any

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<v Speaker 2>parodies and it didn't have any props or costumes. It

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<v Speaker 2>was just very, you know, low key and kind of intimate.

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<v Speaker 2>But I love doing that because we had to just

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<v Speaker 2>be musicians and not put on this big, you know

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<v Speaker 2>show and do all the you know, all the B

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<v Speaker 2>sides and all the deep cuts. And that was I

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<v Speaker 2>love doing that, and the band loved doing that. And

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<v Speaker 2>for the people that showed up again, we're doing smaller theaters,

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<v Speaker 2>but they were so excited to hear some like random

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<v Speaker 2>Obscure track from the fourth album that they never thought

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<v Speaker 2>they ever hear live.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, but with that it was recently like in the

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<v Speaker 1>last like four or five years, you got like a

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<v Speaker 1>big Grammy win. Remember, I'm sure you do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Was that for parody songs or was that for

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<v Speaker 2>the last Grammy? I actually was as an art director,

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<v Speaker 2>oddly enough, because I had a box set. It was

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<v Speaker 2>like my entire catalog, but it was boxed in a

0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:14.320
<v Speaker 2>replica of my accordion. It was this is architecture right here,

0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:16.440
<v Speaker 2>this is this is we've come. This is the reach

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<v Speaker 2>of the show, reach around the reverse weird al, That's

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying. This is like that, So the architecture

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<v Speaker 2>actually comes into play. Yeah, I mean there's some design

0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:29.840
<v Speaker 2>that I guess I kind of leaned from our from college.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the whole four years were in a complete waste.

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<v Speaker 2>No no, no, I can till print very neatly. And

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<v Speaker 2>also you you want to grab me for designing a

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<v Speaker 2>building made of records, let's just call it that. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let's call it that. Now. You mentioned the name of

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<v Speaker 2>a comedian, and I want to talk to you about him,

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<v Speaker 2>because he's a very very interesting comedian, a gentleman by

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<v Speaker 2>the name of Emo film.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and you and friends right now, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think i've ever met Emo. You haven't, no,

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<v Speaker 1>but I remember seeing him my first ever te u

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<v Speaker 1>to the United States. Well, actually it wasn't even to

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. My first trip to Just for Last

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<v Speaker 1>Festivals at festival in Montreal in nineteen eighty seven, and

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<v Speaker 1>I got to see Emo and Judy Tanuda the rest there,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were crazy different. They were very different to

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<v Speaker 1>anything else that was going on. Yeah, how did you

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<v Speaker 1>guys up? I assume you mean, how do we meet?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, yeah, that's right. Well we heard I'll stop it. Yeah.

0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:37.480
<v Speaker 2>We we kind of bumping into each other since, you know,

0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:39.720
<v Speaker 2>the early eighties, because we were both eighties weirdos, and

0:29:39.800 --> 0:29:42.440
<v Speaker 2>of course, you know, our paths are going to intersect.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, we just we were mutual fans and

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<v Speaker 2>we just, uh, you know, wound up hanging out together

0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:50.160
<v Speaker 2>with you and stuff like that. Well, for the two

0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:52.120
<v Speaker 2>band Aid tours he did, so he's done over over

0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:54.560
<v Speaker 2>two hundred shows with me. Is he a musician? No,

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<v Speaker 2>he does does the Yeah, I think does he still

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<v Speaker 2>do that? Yeah? Probably, It's very interesting. No, he's he's

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<v Speaker 2>like the funniest guy in the world. He's just you

0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:09.280
<v Speaker 2>should have him on the show sometimes because I was funny.

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<v Speaker 1>So I here's what I think that and then correct

0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:15.160
<v Speaker 1>me if I'm wrong. But sometimes when someone has a

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<v Speaker 1>very recognizable character that they do on stage, because unless

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<v Speaker 1>does ema, Philip spoke around talking to that all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean, you know, it's it's like you can

0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:26.440
<v Speaker 2>hear that in his voice a little bit, but it's

0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:29.360
<v Speaker 2>an exactly And I think he's very concerned about his

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<v Speaker 2>public persona because he's one of those people that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of hopes the people think he liked that all the time,

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:37.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, because he's very much into like presenting an image.

0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:39.560
<v Speaker 2>In fact, he was kind of giving me advice, like

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<v Speaker 2>back in ninety eight ninety nine, back when I you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I had my look change where he shaved out the

0:30:44.320 --> 0:30:46.440
<v Speaker 2>mustache but he got super handsome. But he was like

0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 2>very concerned. He was like he was like, you wanted

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:49.680
<v Speaker 2>me to do the do the Drew carry things like,

0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:52.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, people want to see the iconic image, they

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:54.680
<v Speaker 2>want to see the mustache and glasses. And I think

0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:55.720
<v Speaker 2>he was trying to talk to me and to just

0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:58.320
<v Speaker 2>like always wearing fake glasses and I kind of wanted

0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:00.960
<v Speaker 2>to keep it real. And it's it's an interesting and

0:31:01.200 --> 0:31:02.080
<v Speaker 2>it's a fair point.

0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:04.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you look at you know, the Homer

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:07.680
<v Speaker 1>Simpson silhouet or something like that, if you create something

0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:07.960
<v Speaker 1>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>He kept bringing up grouch like Groutcher always had the mustache,

0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:13.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, until he did the Game Show? Didn't he

0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:15.200
<v Speaker 2>still you think he still for that? Didn't he did?

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<v Speaker 2>He did he paint on the mustache for the Game

0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:19.520
<v Speaker 2>show either, I don't know he was painting it on

0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:21.240
<v Speaker 2>for the longest time, but he did definitely had a

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:24.360
<v Speaker 2>mustache for the Game Show. Were you Find in the Musk? Sure?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god? I loved that. Yeah? What's that movie?

0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:29.320
<v Speaker 2>I think it might be Horse Feathers? I don't know.

0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Is the one where they have the horse? Might be

0:31:32.640 --> 0:31:35.200
<v Speaker 2>they have the horse in the Dental wond where they

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<v Speaker 2>had the duck soup? Which one was that? I think

0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:39.000
<v Speaker 2>that's duck soup? And when they went to that opera

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:42.200
<v Speaker 2>at night? What was that one called the Races?

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<v Speaker 1>But I was, as you the anarchy of that, the

0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:52.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of terrifying out of controllness. It's interesting because when

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<v Speaker 1>I was a kid, I'm going I really didn't like.

0:31:56.360 --> 0:31:58.680
<v Speaker 2>The cat in the Hat. I didn't like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Did because the cat and the hat used to come

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<v Speaker 1>to the house and he would do all these naughty things,

0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:05.920
<v Speaker 1>and the parents were out, and I'm like, it's just horrifying.

0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:08.840
<v Speaker 2>Is that the home invasion? Yes, this weird fucking cat's

0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:10.960
<v Speaker 2>gone in the house with a hat on and he's

0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:12.960
<v Speaker 2>getting the kids to do bad things. This guy's evil.

0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But at the same time, I love the March

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:18.760
<v Speaker 1>Brothers and that sense of anarchy.

0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:21.880
<v Speaker 2>I think their charm was much more acceptable to me

0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:24.040
<v Speaker 2>as a five year old. Now they're they're making fun

0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:26.040
<v Speaker 2>of Margaret Dumont. They're not making fun of two little

0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:29.480
<v Speaker 2>innocent kids alone in their house. That's it. Uh huh,

0:32:29.720 --> 0:32:30.400
<v Speaker 2>that's it.

0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:34.280
<v Speaker 1>They're making fun of the adult figure, not the cat figure.

0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:36.440
<v Speaker 1>You're right, Oh, thanks, he sure.

0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:39.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but I'm looking at I look at

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:42.120
<v Speaker 2>this as therapy. Yeah, well, I think that you're very

0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:44.080
<v Speaker 2>good at it. I think here's what I think.

0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Screwba Emo says, Okay, get a pipe tweet jacket. I'm

0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:51.600
<v Speaker 1>thinking of a vague whiff of an Austrian accent, and

0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:53.880
<v Speaker 1>become a therapist when you're not on the road.

0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh can I get one of those jackets with packers

0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:56.360
<v Speaker 2>on the elbows?

0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:59.680
<v Speaker 1>I would almost insist on it, okay, and then lie down,

0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:02.960
<v Speaker 1>or you can go and drag and be like.

0:33:03.120 --> 0:33:06.960
<v Speaker 2>Lorraine Bracco and the sopranos. Oh that's also very nice. Yeah,

0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:09.200
<v Speaker 2>I've have you ever had therapy? No?

0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:12.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh, man, it's awesome. I had a therapist too. Used

0:33:12.360 --> 0:33:14.600
<v Speaker 1>to wear she was fantastic. Used to wear all the

0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:18.240
<v Speaker 1>same clothes the same color. Like she would wear green shoes,

0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:21.360
<v Speaker 1>green tights, a green skirt of green bluuse, and she

0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:24.760
<v Speaker 1>would wear green eyes shadow and like if it was

0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:26.560
<v Speaker 1>green that day or and I think it.

0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Was of like a big green screen or something. It

0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:33.440
<v Speaker 2>might it was chroma ky. I was pretty bad chroma

0:33:33.520 --> 0:33:36.200
<v Speaker 2>key nice. I was in a bad shape then, So

0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:38.840
<v Speaker 2>maybe that was maybe it never happened at all. Did

0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:41.600
<v Speaker 2>she look I just disembodied eyes looking at you. Yeah,

0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:44.960
<v Speaker 2>that was I think about I'm having a flashback. So

0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:47.959
<v Speaker 2>you're going along and you're being weird. Al And then

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:51.360
<v Speaker 2>what wammed in the nineties that caused the change? Was

0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:54.280
<v Speaker 2>there any kind of personal thing change for what well,

0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 2>they're taking the glasses off. Well, it was just it

0:33:56.640 --> 0:33:59.680
<v Speaker 2>was just you know, at that point, the technology and

0:33:59.760 --> 0:34:02.280
<v Speaker 2>sign and medicine had gotten to the point where it

0:34:02.360 --> 0:34:04.320
<v Speaker 2>felt like I wasn't taking my life into my hands

0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:07.240
<v Speaker 2>by letting somebody like shoot lasers in the eyeball. And

0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:09.640
<v Speaker 2>I thought, you know, if I can like see you know,

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:12.000
<v Speaker 2>I had lasers as well in the nineties. By the way,

0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:13.640
<v Speaker 2>it did you run about that time? Yeah? Did you

0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:16.839
<v Speaker 2>get it again? No? That they I think they kind

0:34:16.840 --> 0:34:19.279
<v Speaker 2>of said you could get it again, but it's you know,

0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:21.399
<v Speaker 2>maybe a little bit more dangerous the second time around.

0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:22.839
<v Speaker 2>Oh I don't want to hear that. Yeah, I'll never

0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:25.720
<v Speaker 2>getting done. So I still I still wear glasses sometimes

0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:28.680
<v Speaker 2>when I want to, uh see distances because my eyes

0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:30.839
<v Speaker 2>continued to change since like, yeah, mine too.

0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:33.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I also as a disguise, do you wear

0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:36.680
<v Speaker 1>glasses with maybe I nose in a mustacheized I'm.

0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:37.239
<v Speaker 2>Wearing one right now.

0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:44.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, it's Emo Phillips. So the idea then,

0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:46.400
<v Speaker 1>was it so I wanted to find that was there

0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:47.560
<v Speaker 1>a creative decision?

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:49.200
<v Speaker 2>Was that? Was that when you met Suzanne? Is that

0:34:49.400 --> 0:34:54.160
<v Speaker 2>it was something that happened then what I didn't do

0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:57.759
<v Speaker 2>it specifically to meet Suzanne, but uh it worked out

0:34:57.840 --> 0:35:00.080
<v Speaker 2>that way, right, you got rid of the glass. This

0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:02.520
<v Speaker 2>is a very quickly like all of a sudden, women

0:35:02.600 --> 0:35:08.440
<v Speaker 2>are like, who's this? I see like He's like, why hell,

0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:11.520
<v Speaker 2>you're beautiful? Before I thought you were a Clark Kemp,

0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:14.000
<v Speaker 2>but you're really superman. Yeah, I got How did you

0:35:14.080 --> 0:35:16.520
<v Speaker 2>guys meet? I know? She told me, I'm gonna is

0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:19.240
<v Speaker 2>this true? It was a plain day. It was correct, right, Okay,

0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:22.000
<v Speaker 2>so you know, shut you up. Do you know Billy Moomey? Uh?

0:35:23.600 --> 0:35:26.120
<v Speaker 2>He played he he was like the biggest child actor

0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:27.799
<v Speaker 2>when I was a child. He played a little Will

0:35:27.920 --> 0:35:30.120
<v Speaker 2>Robinson on Lost in Space. Of course I know who

0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:32.920
<v Speaker 2>it is, and I would give you this whole IMDb,

0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:34.640
<v Speaker 2>but look him up. But you know, he was and

0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:36.719
<v Speaker 2>I've been fans of his for a long time. And

0:35:37.400 --> 0:35:40.319
<v Speaker 2>he was half of Barnes and Barns, who did fish Heads.

0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:43.800
<v Speaker 2>Do you know that song shed Lovely Lovely fish Heads

0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:48.120
<v Speaker 2>shed Sheds? Eat him up? Yeah, that's it. So I

0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:50.600
<v Speaker 2>met him on the Doctor Demento show because he was

0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 2>a you know, Demento yang. But he never introduced himself

0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:57.960
<v Speaker 2>as Bill Moomy. He was always Art Barns like Art

0:35:58.000 --> 0:36:00.880
<v Speaker 2>and already Barnes, And I'm gullible. I believed I didn't

0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:02.759
<v Speaker 2>recognize him from like being a kid.

0:36:02.880 --> 0:36:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Wait a minute, Wait a minute, I gotta stub you

0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:06.719
<v Speaker 1>Emo Phillips. Emo Phillips's real name.

0:36:07.800 --> 0:36:09.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't I feel like i'd be talking out of

0:36:09.719 --> 0:36:11.000
<v Speaker 2>school to answer that question.

0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:14.560
<v Speaker 1>All right, all right, fair enough, okay, all right, So

0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:19.600
<v Speaker 1>you you know this Will Robinson danger Will Robinson Art Barnes.

0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:21.319
<v Speaker 2>So, so he invites me to his house. I met

0:36:21.360 --> 0:36:24.160
<v Speaker 2>his house on the Hollywood Hills. I forget we're recording

0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:27.080
<v Speaker 2>something or hanging out or whatever, and I notice all

0:36:27.160 --> 0:36:29.880
<v Speaker 2>this like Lost in Space memorabile around the house, and

0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:32.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, again, I'm so stupid. I'm like, this guy

0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:36.520
<v Speaker 2>is super into Lost the Gosh, a big fan. He's

0:36:36.640 --> 0:36:39.600
<v Speaker 2>got all these Brilly movie movie posters on the wall. Man,

0:36:40.200 --> 0:36:44.320
<v Speaker 2>this guy's a freak one, like a super fan, like obsessed.

0:36:45.400 --> 0:36:47.440
<v Speaker 2>And then finally, after a long time, I figured out, oh,

0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:48.520
<v Speaker 2>this is Bill Mooney.

0:36:48.760 --> 0:36:51.120
<v Speaker 1>So he introduces you. He says, you have a blain

0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:53.080
<v Speaker 1>date and he and he.

0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:55.279
<v Speaker 2>Actually had been setting me up on blind dates before

0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:57.799
<v Speaker 2>and setting Susanna up on blind dates, and they were

0:36:58.280 --> 0:37:01.439
<v Speaker 2>they didn't really work out, obviously, but he he called

0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:03.279
<v Speaker 2>me up one day and said, I'm gonna set you

0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:05.160
<v Speaker 2>up on this date with this woman who works at

0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:09.560
<v Speaker 2>twenty century Fox. You have to marry her. She's super clever, Yeah,

0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:12.799
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's like she's intimidatingly cool clever. Yeah, she's

0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:15.239
<v Speaker 2>got that kind of Annie Lebowitz vibe, you know, that

0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:17.200
<v Speaker 2>kind of here you know what I mean, like kind

0:37:17.239 --> 0:37:22.640
<v Speaker 2>of scary photography, clever, like sees the world slightly more

0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:28.160
<v Speaker 2>than you do. That's boyd. So I was saying like, yeah,

0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:31.480
<v Speaker 2>they're a little different. Yeah, but the but she she is,

0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:34.120
<v Speaker 2>she's like she's super smart, super clever woman. Yeah, and

0:37:34.360 --> 0:37:36.840
<v Speaker 2>she's she's the whole package. Yeah, she is. I waited

0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:39.359
<v Speaker 2>a long time to find her, did you. Well, here

0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:41.680
<v Speaker 2>here's he here's the thing. You know, it was actually

0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:44.000
<v Speaker 2>really romantic because this is this is in the days

0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 2>before social media as we know today. I didn't have

0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:48.880
<v Speaker 2>a picture of her. I didn't have an idea what

0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:51.320
<v Speaker 2>she looked like. And we didn't have time to go

0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:53.520
<v Speaker 2>out on a date for a few weeks because I

0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:55.920
<v Speaker 2>was just about to put out a new album. She

0:37:56.160 --> 0:37:58.040
<v Speaker 2>was working over time at her at her you know,

0:37:58.120 --> 0:38:00.279
<v Speaker 2>at twenty century Fox, right, and we just couldn't find

0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:02.520
<v Speaker 2>it time to get together. But we had time late

0:38:02.560 --> 0:38:04.680
<v Speaker 2>at night. She would have these phone calls in the

0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:06.719
<v Speaker 2>middle of the night. That isn't this a movie with

0:38:06.800 --> 0:38:10.360
<v Speaker 2>Tom Hanks and Megan It sounds like it should be material.

0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:13.799
<v Speaker 1>You know, Look it's not too late. Yeah, they're Tom

0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:16.400
<v Speaker 1>and Megan are both are both working.

0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:19.200
<v Speaker 2>Tom makes you get back together for the weird I'll start.

0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:23.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna call it Susanna now. Oh I like that better, Yeah,

0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:25.800
<v Speaker 2>Susanna now or do you guys have a have a

0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:29.239
<v Speaker 2>mix up name, like, you know, the hyphen at the portmanteau.

0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:39.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so sal I guess Sue Suzel or Alcus or alsas.

0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:44.160
<v Speaker 2>The Yanko Vics. Oh yeah, that'll work. Yeah, yeah, it's

0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:47.080
<v Speaker 2>a little bit patriarchal, but I'll take it. What is

0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:50.560
<v Speaker 2>that is that Polish? Yankovick is? What is it Yugoslavian

0:38:50.600 --> 0:38:51.839
<v Speaker 2>back when that was a country.

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:53.759
<v Speaker 1>All right, So you have to break it down though, man,

0:38:53.840 --> 0:38:56.840
<v Speaker 1>because the Yugoslavic, because yugoslavin that.

0:38:56.960 --> 0:38:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Was just like a construct after that. Yeah, I think,

0:38:59.200 --> 0:39:00.799
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm not a percent sure, but I think

0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:02.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm Slovenian like me and Millennia.

0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:05.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I get that. You look a bit like

0:39:05.239 --> 0:39:17.360
<v Speaker 1>thank you, thank you. Yeah, did you do the Whiteose

0:39:17.360 --> 0:39:19.480
<v Speaker 1>correspondence thing or no political things.

0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:21.719
<v Speaker 2>I would not have to do that. I think they

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:23.600
<v Speaker 2>can use some accordion there. I think I feel like.

0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:25.839
<v Speaker 1>That would be a good bet, because you're pretty good

0:39:25.840 --> 0:39:29.000
<v Speaker 1>at like straddling the line of you know, not getting

0:39:29.080 --> 0:39:30.440
<v Speaker 1>to political.

0:39:30.719 --> 0:39:32.719
<v Speaker 2>Or I could just like be playing like mood music

0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:35.040
<v Speaker 2>behind the president's speech, you know, just a little a

0:39:35.080 --> 0:39:38.400
<v Speaker 2>little bit of accordion. Yeah, look, don't take this wrong way, buddy.

0:39:38.400 --> 0:39:41.600
<v Speaker 2>But they might think it's a little French. Oh you know,

0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:44.080
<v Speaker 2>are we still doing the French thing? Freedom fries deal?

0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:46.160
<v Speaker 2>Freedom fries? Do you know? Once I was I swear

0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:48.480
<v Speaker 2>this is true. I was in a diner and I

0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:50.400
<v Speaker 2>think it was Arkansas. I was on the road. You

0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:51.440
<v Speaker 2>know sometimes you just.

0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:54.279
<v Speaker 1>When you're on the road, you're like, I can't take

0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:58.360
<v Speaker 1>another you know, fucking Starbucks or you know, we got

0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:01.800
<v Speaker 1>to go to somewhere else and we went to this diner.

0:40:01.960 --> 0:40:04.360
<v Speaker 1>It was during all the freedom Fries thing. And I

0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:08.840
<v Speaker 1>go to the bathroom and there were contraceptives and sex toys.

0:40:09.520 --> 0:40:11.560
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, they were they were in my pocket.

0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:15.239
<v Speaker 2>There was you know, one of those vending machines that

0:40:15.360 --> 0:40:20.360
<v Speaker 2>sells contraceptives and little sex toys, and they'd scored, they scored.

0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:24.400
<v Speaker 2>I have to say, as bad as my life go,

0:40:24.560 --> 0:40:27.400
<v Speaker 2>I never bought a sex toy in a public bathroom

0:40:27.440 --> 0:40:32.040
<v Speaker 2>from a vending machine yet. Yeah, say just for show,

0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:32.640
<v Speaker 2>not for go.

0:40:33.080 --> 0:40:36.680
<v Speaker 1>But but they had French ticklers. Yes, but they had

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:39.600
<v Speaker 1>taken out friend. They'd called them freedom ticklers.

0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:45.000
<v Speaker 2>That's the best, freedom tickler, that's the best. We want

0:40:45.040 --> 0:40:49.440
<v Speaker 2>a little freedom tickler. Look, I don't want to do this,

0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:54.640
<v Speaker 2>but it's for a miracle. That's great. It was fantastic.

0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:58.239
<v Speaker 2>So use Zan. You can't get it together, well, you

0:40:58.320 --> 0:41:00.279
<v Speaker 2>can get it together obviously because you have child, but

0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:02.480
<v Speaker 2>you can't meet each other because you're so busy in

0:41:02.560 --> 0:41:05.279
<v Speaker 2>your hectic show business life. So we basically fell in

0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:08.080
<v Speaker 2>love over the phone. Is that true? Yeah? Pretty? I mean,

0:41:08.080 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 2>because I remember thinking like, I kind of hope she's

0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:12.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I would marry her if she's homely, but

0:41:13.040 --> 0:41:14.360
<v Speaker 2>I kind of hope she's cute because I'm going to

0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:17.560
<v Speaker 2>marry this person. So I never saw her face until

0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:19.759
<v Speaker 2>I opened the door to her first day.

0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:24.960
<v Speaker 1>That's fantastic and kind of beautiful, and I feel like

0:41:25.080 --> 0:41:27.920
<v Speaker 1>it's probably a show and isn't that like love at

0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:28.480
<v Speaker 1>first say?

0:41:28.800 --> 0:41:31.799
<v Speaker 2>Or you know, Naked Attraction one of those we were

0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:34.080
<v Speaker 2>the first reality show. If you ever seen that show,

0:41:34.160 --> 0:41:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Naked Attraction, No, I got no, you should know. It's

0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:40.960
<v Speaker 2>a show in Channel four in the UK, right, which

0:41:41.040 --> 0:41:45.080
<v Speaker 2>is kind of like it's very bad. But in this

0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:47.120
<v Speaker 2>show is Naked Attraction. What they do is they have

0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:47.800
<v Speaker 2>these screens.

0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:49.960
<v Speaker 1>It's Breton, so yeah, they don't care a buty and

0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:53.000
<v Speaker 1>they have these screens and they started the bumps the

0:41:53.080 --> 0:41:54.480
<v Speaker 1>person who's choosing a partner.

0:41:54.920 --> 0:41:56.640
<v Speaker 2>These curtains come up and you see their.

0:41:56.600 --> 0:41:58.719
<v Speaker 1>Feet and then their knees and then their legs, and

0:41:58.760 --> 0:42:00.480
<v Speaker 1>you think it's going to be negative, and then the

0:42:00.560 --> 0:42:04.440
<v Speaker 1>curtain keeps going and you see they're junk, male or female.

0:42:04.480 --> 0:42:07.560
<v Speaker 1>You see and like harsh lighting, real people, junk, not

0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:11.839
<v Speaker 1>Hollywood airbrush junk, like like shockingly unpleasant.

0:42:13.080 --> 0:42:14.200
<v Speaker 2>This is a real thing.

0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:17.440
<v Speaker 1>It's a real thing, and it keeps going and it's

0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:18.640
<v Speaker 1>not testillating at all.

0:42:18.680 --> 0:42:19.240
<v Speaker 2>It's awful.

0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:23.640
<v Speaker 1>No, And but I caught my youngest son watching it

0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:27.560
<v Speaker 1>with his buddy and like ten year old boys and

0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:29.000
<v Speaker 1>they and I was like, what hell were you doing?

0:42:29.160 --> 0:42:31.880
<v Speaker 2>And they were trauverized, like, oh my god, this is horrible.

0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:36.120
<v Speaker 2>I was like, watch it all you Like I remember

0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:37.840
<v Speaker 2>back in the day, like when I was a teenager,

0:42:37.880 --> 0:42:39.920
<v Speaker 2>you couldn't find like naked people on TV. It was

0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:41.440
<v Speaker 2>like a big deal to There was like some show

0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:44.840
<v Speaker 2>on PBS, I think steam Bath or something like that

0:42:45.160 --> 0:42:47.040
<v Speaker 2>nice and it was like, oh, there's a shot of

0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:50.319
<v Speaker 2>a woman, this shower's naked. And every single teenage boy

0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:53.880
<v Speaker 2>in my whole high school like watching PBS just tecasting

0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:56.600
<v Speaker 2>to see a naked lady. I remember, we used to

0:42:56.880 --> 0:42:58.000
<v Speaker 2>for some reason, they're used to.

0:42:59.120 --> 0:43:01.520
<v Speaker 1>Why In Scotland and I was a kid, you would

0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:05.960
<v Speaker 1>sometimes find torn up pieces of pornographic magazines in the street.

0:43:06.200 --> 0:43:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh rude, the whole thing. Pay forward occasionally s he's

0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:16.400
<v Speaker 2>a ripped picture of some Yeah, oh that's more traumatic.

0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:18.319
<v Speaker 2>Like then, you can only get excited when you see

0:43:18.360 --> 0:43:20.480
<v Speaker 2>ripped up women. You don't want to you don't want that.

0:43:21.000 --> 0:43:23.239
<v Speaker 2>That's very dark, bad, that's very dark.

0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:27.239
<v Speaker 1>So you meet Susanne at the first that you opened

0:43:27.239 --> 0:43:28.560
<v Speaker 1>the door she comes to your house, is up.

0:43:28.760 --> 0:43:30.080
<v Speaker 2>I went to her place, all right.

0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:32.480
<v Speaker 1>So she opens the door and you're like, oh sweet,

0:43:32.600 --> 0:43:35.040
<v Speaker 1>she's gorgeous. I'm ready in love with her, so long

0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:35.880
<v Speaker 1>until you get married?

0:43:36.400 --> 0:43:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Ah, one of that. That was ninety nine or so.

0:43:38.840 --> 0:43:41.719
<v Speaker 2>I think it was. We met sometime in I think

0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:45.080
<v Speaker 2>July ninety nine. We got married February two thousand and one,

0:43:45.280 --> 0:43:49.120
<v Speaker 2>so you know, year and a half. Yeah. Yeah, Now

0:43:49.239 --> 0:43:50.160
<v Speaker 2>let me ask you this then.

0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:54.040
<v Speaker 1>Was this before you had done the Hatfield Metallica immage

0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:55.239
<v Speaker 1>change or AFT?

0:43:55.360 --> 0:43:59.480
<v Speaker 2>It was right after? She I mean what I say? Yeah,

0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:04.480
<v Speaker 2>there was a plan apparently, folksy al yan Kevig appears

0:44:04.560 --> 0:44:06.719
<v Speaker 2>on the door. I get it. Yeah. And she didn't,

0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:08.960
<v Speaker 2>you know originally when when Bill Moomy pitched her on

0:44:08.960 --> 0:44:10.360
<v Speaker 2>the idea of going out with me, she was like,

0:44:10.680 --> 0:44:13.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't you weird? Al, I don't know. And but

0:44:13.400 --> 0:44:14.960
<v Speaker 2>she gave me the benefit of the dout because she said, well,

0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:19.920
<v Speaker 2>maybe he's not like that all the time, but you're awesome.

0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:23.080
<v Speaker 2>I think that's now we have a mutual friend. And

0:44:23.239 --> 0:44:26.680
<v Speaker 2>who introduced us, I guess socially is Tom Less. Tom

0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:30.160
<v Speaker 2>has been a huge He's Tom again, one of those

0:44:31.280 --> 0:44:34.840
<v Speaker 2>in Britain they would call him eccentrics. It's like you Emo,

0:44:35.120 --> 0:44:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Tom Tom.

0:44:36.440 --> 0:44:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Extremely gifted performers who march to the beat of their

0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:45.520
<v Speaker 1>own drum. Yes, And I wonder if that kind of

0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:49.239
<v Speaker 1>thing is encouraged by social media, if there's more of that,

0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:52.440
<v Speaker 1>or if there's less of it because people are frightened

0:44:52.440 --> 0:44:54.759
<v Speaker 1>of stepping outside the orthodoxy because you can get a

0:44:54.800 --> 0:44:55.320
<v Speaker 1>lot of trouble.

0:44:55.400 --> 0:44:58.360
<v Speaker 2>Now, Yeah, I don't, you know, I think weirdness is

0:44:58.400 --> 0:45:00.799
<v Speaker 2>kind of encouraged on social media. People try to stand out,

0:45:00.840 --> 0:45:03.600
<v Speaker 2>and as long as you don't do anything deemed cancelable,

0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:04.959
<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, I think.

0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:06.840
<v Speaker 1>It changes every I mean, look, I try to be

0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:09.600
<v Speaker 1>cognizant of that, try to be respectful that manners change,

0:45:09.680 --> 0:45:12.200
<v Speaker 1>but it seems like they changed very quickly, and there's

0:45:12.239 --> 0:45:15.880
<v Speaker 1>not really a consensus on what's canceled and was not.

0:45:16.160 --> 0:45:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, apart from the obvious, but the you know,

0:45:20.440 --> 0:45:21.759
<v Speaker 2>I don't do you ever think about it? Do you

0:45:21.800 --> 0:45:23.719
<v Speaker 2>ever worry about it? Yeah? Well, yeah, I mean, you know,

0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:27.880
<v Speaker 2>I've been releasing records, you know, since the late seventies,

0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:31.239
<v Speaker 2>so some of the you know, I obviously tried not

0:45:31.320 --> 0:45:33.080
<v Speaker 2>to be offensive or do anything that I thought that

0:45:33.160 --> 0:45:35.040
<v Speaker 2>would come back to haunt me later. But there's there's

0:45:35.080 --> 0:45:37.880
<v Speaker 2>some languages, some words that I used in the eighties

0:45:37.920 --> 0:45:41.600
<v Speaker 2>and nineties, which you know are now considered slurs or offensive.

0:45:41.680 --> 0:45:44.920
<v Speaker 2>So you know, in fact, there's one song that I

0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:48.840
<v Speaker 2>did on this last tour which had had an offensive

0:45:48.880 --> 0:45:50.839
<v Speaker 2>word in it, and I sang the word, and then

0:45:50.880 --> 0:45:52.600
<v Speaker 2>the whole band stops, and I have to explain, like

0:45:52.840 --> 0:45:54.759
<v Speaker 2>I wrote this on the nineties, I didn't mean any

0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:57.560
<v Speaker 2>offense by it. Language is a fluid thing. But you know,

0:45:57.960 --> 0:45:59.600
<v Speaker 2>can you can you give me I don't I'm not

0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:01.680
<v Speaker 2>gonna ask to say the word, but can you let

0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:03.000
<v Speaker 2>me give me a clues to what the word is

0:46:03.120 --> 0:46:05.000
<v Speaker 2>or what it pertains. I'll say it because I say

0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:08.840
<v Speaker 2>it is hermaphrodite. Is that a slur? Well it is apparently,

0:46:08.880 --> 0:46:11.440
<v Speaker 2>you know I thought it was a medical Well, that's exactly,

0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:13.840
<v Speaker 2>and that's exactly how I explained it, you know, in

0:46:13.960 --> 0:46:15.640
<v Speaker 2>my apology that you know, when I wrote it in

0:46:15.680 --> 0:46:18.359
<v Speaker 2>the nineties, I thought, okay, this is a technical medical term,

0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:22.120
<v Speaker 2>and this is you know, the person in my hypothetical

0:46:22.440 --> 0:46:26.120
<v Speaker 2>story happens to be one, right, And apparently that word

0:46:26.200 --> 0:46:27.680
<v Speaker 2>is considered a slur nowadays, which.

0:46:27.719 --> 0:46:31.680
<v Speaker 1>Obviously, I'll be honest, it's not a word I use often. No, No,

0:46:31.920 --> 0:46:34.640
<v Speaker 1>I know, yeah, and you know, I can see the

0:46:34.800 --> 0:46:36.600
<v Speaker 1>why you would use it because it's clearly it writes

0:46:36.680 --> 0:46:37.120
<v Speaker 1>with stuff.

0:46:37.200 --> 0:46:39.560
<v Speaker 2>And and you know, because language changes. I mean, even

0:46:39.920 --> 0:46:43.320
<v Speaker 2>the word lame, uh, you know, which is in common usage.

0:46:43.400 --> 0:46:46.040
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I haven't stopped saying that, but I

0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:48.120
<v Speaker 2>mean the point has been made like, oh, that's an

0:46:48.160 --> 0:46:52.319
<v Speaker 2>ablest term, Like okay, I can see that, but still

0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:54.920
<v Speaker 2>it's it's such a common and and there's there's another

0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:57.120
<v Speaker 2>word that I used and I won't say this word,

0:46:57.200 --> 0:46:59.960
<v Speaker 2>but it's a word that both Beyonce and Lizzo got

0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:03.640
<v Speaker 2>trouble for. It rhymes with plastic, do you know what

0:47:03.680 --> 0:47:08.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean and begins with an sp oh gosh, yeah, right, okay. So,

0:47:08.840 --> 0:47:11.239
<v Speaker 2>and you know, in North America that's just considered like

0:47:11.320 --> 0:47:14.960
<v Speaker 2>a goofy, you know, yes, kind of person. But in

0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:17.919
<v Speaker 2>other parts of the world it's considered a horrible slur.

0:47:18.120 --> 0:47:20.719
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know what's interesting is that the words you're

0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:23.040
<v Speaker 1>the word you're talking about. When I was a kid

0:47:23.080 --> 0:47:29.640
<v Speaker 1>growing up, it was used two in medical terms to

0:47:29.840 --> 0:47:32.200
<v Speaker 1>describe or like you. If someone was going to a

0:47:32.239 --> 0:47:36.839
<v Speaker 1>school for people that suffered from disabilities or had disabilities,

0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:37.920
<v Speaker 1>they would be called that.

0:47:38.200 --> 0:47:40.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they would they would be on the sign

0:47:40.280 --> 0:47:43.440
<v Speaker 2>in the school. Yeah. And it's not that I have

0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:46.160
<v Speaker 2>any objection to language change, and it does change, but

0:47:46.880 --> 0:47:49.160
<v Speaker 2>I think, for I feel like.

0:47:50.719 --> 0:47:53.880
<v Speaker 1>There is a great deal of legitimacy in the changing

0:47:53.960 --> 0:47:55.640
<v Speaker 1>of the language. But I also feel there's a lot

0:47:55.680 --> 0:47:57.200
<v Speaker 1>of people out there on the balls of their feet

0:47:57.320 --> 0:48:01.080
<v Speaker 1>just waiting to be offended when there's no genuine harm

0:48:01.760 --> 0:48:05.640
<v Speaker 1>meant by it. And I think that that's counterproductive to

0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:10.359
<v Speaker 1>making a society more inclusive and less oppressive to people

0:48:10.440 --> 0:48:13.359
<v Speaker 1>who aren't having it as easy as as the rest

0:48:13.400 --> 0:48:13.640
<v Speaker 1>of us.

0:48:13.719 --> 0:48:16.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean so I try my best. I you know, again,

0:48:16.640 --> 0:48:19.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying very hard not to offend. But there's boundaries,

0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:21.200
<v Speaker 2>and there's there's a lot I don't think. I don't

0:48:21.200 --> 0:48:24.040
<v Speaker 2>think it's possible to do comedy and not offense, because

0:48:24.160 --> 0:48:26.600
<v Speaker 2>you really think that, I really do. I thought, I

0:48:26.640 --> 0:48:29.040
<v Speaker 2>don't mean that you have to be offensive. Yeah, I

0:48:29.200 --> 0:48:32.080
<v Speaker 2>mean that, Well, somebody's always going to find something exactly

0:48:32.160 --> 0:48:34.000
<v Speaker 2>That's what I mean. I don't think you have to. Look,

0:48:34.040 --> 0:48:36.239
<v Speaker 2>I've become more and more I used to like.

0:48:36.640 --> 0:48:39.919
<v Speaker 1>Be really you know, the F word and the act

0:48:40.040 --> 0:48:41.759
<v Speaker 1>and all that kind of stuff, And I was quite

0:48:41.960 --> 0:48:43.200
<v Speaker 1>raw and harsh stuff.

0:48:42.960 --> 0:48:44.359
<v Speaker 2>And that was the way that I came out.

0:48:44.440 --> 0:48:46.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, look, I was a comedian going on between

0:48:46.640 --> 0:48:50.400
<v Speaker 1>punk rock acts in the late nineteen seventies early nineteen eighties.

0:48:51.480 --> 0:48:55.320
<v Speaker 2>It was appropriate for the time. But now if I

0:48:55.440 --> 0:48:58.080
<v Speaker 2>go out and pretend to be angry about things like

0:48:58.120 --> 0:48:59.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm not angry, I'm a little chubby, you've got an

0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:03.480
<v Speaker 2>his car, you know that, I agree. Well, that's the thing.

0:49:03.520 --> 0:49:04.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean maybe I don't know if you had the

0:49:05.000 --> 0:49:08.280
<v Speaker 2>same kind of experience, but I found that I'm sometimes

0:49:08.360 --> 0:49:11.640
<v Speaker 2>reluctant to do anything ironic on social media because no

0:49:11.760 --> 0:49:14.320
<v Speaker 2>matter how obvious it is that you're making a joke

0:49:14.920 --> 0:49:17.560
<v Speaker 2>and you're known, you know, as a you know, somebody

0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:19.960
<v Speaker 2>who makes jokes for a living, there's gonna be a

0:49:20.000 --> 0:49:22.920
<v Speaker 2>certain percentage of the people reading that going, oh, he

0:49:23.040 --> 0:49:26.040
<v Speaker 2>really does that, he really is serious about that. Yeah,

0:49:26.120 --> 0:49:27.040
<v Speaker 2>it's an interesting thing.

0:49:27.120 --> 0:49:30.040
<v Speaker 1>I the example I used I wrote a book a

0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:33.040
<v Speaker 1>couple of years ago, and in it I was writing

0:49:33.200 --> 0:49:38.480
<v Speaker 1>about my sexual awakening and the phrase I used to

0:49:38.640 --> 0:49:43.680
<v Speaker 1>describe the first inklings of sexual awakening was all women

0:49:43.920 --> 0:49:48.719
<v Speaker 1>in Scotland were called margaret before nineteen seventy four. Now

0:49:48.840 --> 0:49:51.680
<v Speaker 1>what I meant by that, the literally reconstruct there is

0:49:52.360 --> 0:49:54.920
<v Speaker 1>everything was just my anti Margaret. And then when you

0:49:55.120 --> 0:49:58.799
<v Speaker 1>start going into puberty, suddenly no, all women are your

0:49:58.800 --> 0:50:01.160
<v Speaker 1>anti Margaret and there you know, and things are different.

0:50:01.480 --> 0:50:07.000
<v Speaker 1>I didn't mean all women in we're called Margaret. Very

0:50:07.120 --> 0:50:13.919
<v Speaker 1>few women in Scotland are called migrants at any given time. Like, actually, well,

0:50:14.080 --> 0:50:16.200
<v Speaker 1>I left the light in the book, but somebody did

0:50:16.320 --> 0:50:19.359
<v Speaker 1>say to me during the editing process, no, that's not true,

0:50:19.480 --> 0:50:27.480
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, yeah, it's it's it's slanguage, it's weird,

0:50:27.800 --> 0:50:31.759
<v Speaker 1>it's a I don't know if I struggle with the

0:50:31.920 --> 0:50:36.759
<v Speaker 1>idea of taking everybody else's opinion into what I'm doing.

0:50:37.360 --> 0:50:39.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to offend people. I know you don't.

0:50:40.200 --> 0:50:44.919
<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, I kind of like Ricky

0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Serves is a very nice line about it. It's just like, look,

0:50:47.600 --> 0:50:49.279
<v Speaker 1>just because you're offended, it doesn't mean you're right. It

0:50:49.360 --> 0:50:51.919
<v Speaker 1>just means you're offended, you know. And I think that's

0:50:52.080 --> 0:50:54.640
<v Speaker 1>the bottom line of it, that I don't want to

0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:57.000
<v Speaker 1>offend you. But if you are offending, I think might

0:50:57.080 --> 0:50:57.560
<v Speaker 1>actually like.

0:50:57.600 --> 0:51:01.440
<v Speaker 2>To offend people. Oh no, he loves he yeah, ye,

0:51:01.800 --> 0:51:05.200
<v Speaker 2>but but that's do you know, no, not personally.

0:51:05.320 --> 0:51:07.960
<v Speaker 1>He's it's funny. He's the sweetest guy. Yeah, it's the

0:51:08.040 --> 0:51:10.880
<v Speaker 1>strangest thing because he has that. Did you ever meet

0:51:10.960 --> 0:51:16.200
<v Speaker 1>Don Rickles? No, no, almost saying Rickles. I became friendly

0:51:16.280 --> 0:51:19.719
<v Speaker 1>with Wreckles and he was very very sweet, like an

0:51:19.760 --> 0:51:23.920
<v Speaker 1>old grandpa and very nice. Oh yeah, famously right, And

0:51:24.160 --> 0:51:26.960
<v Speaker 1>and of course his act was extremely abrasive and they

0:51:27.000 --> 0:51:28.920
<v Speaker 1>would set on fire for it.

0:51:29.080 --> 0:51:32.959
<v Speaker 2>Now, I mean, it's it's just terrible. It would not fair,

0:51:33.440 --> 0:51:35.719
<v Speaker 2>you know what, and rightly, so you have to move

0:51:35.760 --> 0:51:38.759
<v Speaker 2>on for that. But but he is a man would

0:51:38.760 --> 0:51:41.680
<v Speaker 2>be horrified if he thought he was hurting someone's feelings. Yeah,

0:51:41.960 --> 0:51:45.280
<v Speaker 2>and it's you don't set out to hurt someone's feelings.

0:51:45.320 --> 0:51:47.239
<v Speaker 2>And if you can avoid it and do comedy, I

0:51:47.320 --> 0:51:49.680
<v Speaker 2>think that's great. But I honestly think I don't think

0:51:49.719 --> 0:51:51.719
<v Speaker 2>you can, Like he don't go to a roast and

0:51:51.800 --> 0:51:54.840
<v Speaker 2>then going they yeah, they were mean to have you

0:51:54.880 --> 0:51:58.120
<v Speaker 2>ever been roasted? Uh No, I don't think so. But

0:51:58.200 --> 0:51:59.160
<v Speaker 2>then he's young, it's.

0:51:59.040 --> 0:52:01.279
<v Speaker 1>Got to be common, it's going to be coming. I

0:52:01.440 --> 0:52:04.719
<v Speaker 1>never really understood that to be the whole concept of roast. Yeah,

0:52:04.760 --> 0:52:09.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I don't like this. I mean honestly, I don't.

0:52:09.520 --> 0:52:11.480
<v Speaker 2>It's like I asked to do a couple like they

0:52:11.520 --> 0:52:13.840
<v Speaker 2>asked me to do Bob Socket's roast. Huh. And I

0:52:14.000 --> 0:52:14.960
<v Speaker 2>loved Bob. Yeah.

0:52:15.080 --> 0:52:16.880
<v Speaker 1>I was like no, and Bob was like, now you

0:52:16.960 --> 0:52:18.759
<v Speaker 1>come and you say these mean things about you know, Bob,

0:52:18.800 --> 0:52:21.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to do it. Yeah, I love you, Bob,

0:52:21.320 --> 0:52:24.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to do it. It's like it's joking.

0:52:24.360 --> 0:52:26.200
<v Speaker 1>I went, no, Bob, it's it's mean.

0:52:27.160 --> 0:52:28.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm not doing it. Yeah.

0:52:28.360 --> 0:52:30.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, look, sometimes I think you're a dick, but

0:52:30.280 --> 0:52:32.680
<v Speaker 1>no one else needs to say that. Did you know

0:52:32.800 --> 0:52:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Bob a couple of times? Yeah, he's a sweet man.

0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:40.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It was again someone who was very different to

0:52:41.400 --> 0:52:44.680
<v Speaker 2>his act. Yeah. I was reading recently that Chevy Chase

0:52:44.800 --> 0:52:47.239
<v Speaker 2>was really upset after his roast because he really thought

0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:52.600
<v Speaker 2>they weren't joking. Well, you know, with his reputation, I

0:52:52.680 --> 0:52:55.239
<v Speaker 2>think maybe they weren't joking. I don't. I don't know

0:52:55.320 --> 0:52:58.080
<v Speaker 2>if they were or they weren't. But it's a strange thing.

0:52:58.160 --> 0:53:00.279
<v Speaker 2>So what's going on with you? Now? What's happening? Things

0:53:00.320 --> 0:53:03.520
<v Speaker 2>are slow and I'm not touring probably for at least

0:53:03.520 --> 0:53:06.319
<v Speaker 2>another year year and a half. Just kind of letting

0:53:06.360 --> 0:53:09.960
<v Speaker 2>the ground lay fallow for a bit. So years of

0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:13.719
<v Speaker 2>plenty seven years of famine. Yeah, so so next year

0:53:13.760 --> 0:53:15.839
<v Speaker 2>actually was a huge question mark. I'm not sure it's

0:53:16.040 --> 0:53:19.320
<v Speaker 2>gonna come to Scotland. Hang out for Maybelle. I know

0:53:19.360 --> 0:53:20.839
<v Speaker 2>you got a new castle, got to check it out.

0:53:20.920 --> 0:53:23.520
<v Speaker 2>But it's not a newcastle. It's new to me, new

0:53:23.600 --> 0:53:25.880
<v Speaker 2>to you. Yeah, that's the main thing. Yeah. And also

0:53:26.200 --> 0:53:28.640
<v Speaker 2>there is this myth I live in a castle. It's

0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:31.440
<v Speaker 2>it's not a castle. It's a house that looks a

0:53:31.520 --> 0:53:35.920
<v Speaker 2>bit like huge and made out of stone. It's got

0:53:36.000 --> 0:53:38.480
<v Speaker 2>a motor around. Well yeah, but look these are these

0:53:38.520 --> 0:53:42.200
<v Speaker 2>are taken a castle. Yes, you're an architect famously, So

0:53:43.080 --> 0:53:47.000
<v Speaker 2>I didn't you know, I didn't realize that. Not a condo.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, it's not a condo. You don't live in

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<v Speaker 2>a condo either. No. See, it's your big union guy.

0:53:52.360 --> 0:53:54.239
<v Speaker 2>I believe in it. I believe in it. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>just think. Yeah, I mean I support the unions. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>in several of them, and yeah, absolutely how many of you?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean w G A and DGA, isn't you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and Musicians Union as well. Yeah, yeah, they're a great union.

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<v Speaker 1>The Yeah they like saved you guys, do.

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<v Speaker 2>You remember maybe it was different for you. I remember

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<v Speaker 2>auditioning to get you had the audition to get in

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<v Speaker 2>the Musicians Union. No, that was the for me. It

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<v Speaker 2>was equity, British Actors equity.

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<v Speaker 1>You had to It was so hard to get in

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<v Speaker 1>that you had to the only reason I started doing

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<v Speaker 1>stand up because you had to have some.

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<v Speaker 2>Gigs that where you were a performer. But you couldn't

0:54:31.719 --> 0:54:34.520
<v Speaker 2>get gigs unless you remember a British Actors ecage, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So the only thing that was open was you could

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<v Speaker 2>maybe get a couple of gigs as a stand up

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<v Speaker 2>in a nightclub or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you had to take a long of the union office.

0:54:43.560 --> 0:54:46.120
<v Speaker 1>If you got three, they would let you in the Union.

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<v Speaker 2>I got I got two and they overpay a TV show,

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<v Speaker 2>so I had to join the Union in Scotland. But

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<v Speaker 2>it was it was different back then, though. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>did you what did you? Did? You play? The according? Yeah?

0:54:57.760 --> 0:54:59.680
<v Speaker 2>And I have it just the biggest memory of this.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean in the early eighties when I first

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<v Speaker 2>joined the Musicians Unit. I have a memory of coming

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<v Speaker 2>into the Union offices and all these people with instruments

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<v Speaker 2>and they had to like play like thirty seconds the

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<v Speaker 2>proof well oh you are a guitar player, Oh you

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<v Speaker 2>are or whatever. And I just remember the one guy

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<v Speaker 2>that was a drummer and he just came in, didn't

0:55:17.480 --> 0:55:19.840
<v Speaker 2>have anything with him, and they said just slop on

0:55:19.920 --> 0:55:22.719
<v Speaker 2>your knees and he did like a little okay, you're

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<v Speaker 2>a drummer. Great, okay, sign the papers. You know what,

0:55:25.200 --> 0:55:26.960
<v Speaker 2>if he was a real drummer, he'd have been doing

0:55:27.040 --> 0:55:30.720
<v Speaker 2>that on the way in. They never stop, never stop.

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<v Speaker 2>I still have a drum kit. Now. I still like

0:55:33.960 --> 0:55:36.399
<v Speaker 2>no play, I mean do I do? I still play,

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<v Speaker 2>and I still kind of I still want to listen

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<v Speaker 2>to music, particularly bands. There are you know, rock and

0:55:42.680 --> 0:55:45.759
<v Speaker 2>roll bands and stuff. I tend to. You know, your

0:55:45.800 --> 0:55:48.000
<v Speaker 2>ear tends to go to where you're interested in, and

0:55:48.520 --> 0:55:51.640
<v Speaker 2>that's that's what I look for. And even to the

0:55:51.719 --> 0:55:53.520
<v Speaker 2>point of I will listen to music that I don't

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<v Speaker 2>like because I know the drums good. Do you ever

0:55:55.520 --> 0:55:58.399
<v Speaker 2>have like jam sessions to your house or does Liam play? Yeah?

0:55:58.440 --> 0:56:01.120
<v Speaker 1>Liam does play. Limp plays guitar. He's good too, and

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<v Speaker 1>he became fascinated with it. And yeah, we we kind

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<v Speaker 1>of mess around the house. Katie tunstill was a friend

0:56:06.880 --> 0:56:09.160
<v Speaker 1>of mine. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, So Katie was

0:56:09.200 --> 0:56:13.239
<v Speaker 1>at the house in Scotland and Liam's first jam says

0:56:13.280 --> 0:56:16.080
<v Speaker 1>it was me playing drums and Katie playing the bass.

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<v Speaker 2>He was playing the guitar. That's so cool. Is that

0:56:18.480 --> 0:56:21.600
<v Speaker 2>old ting ting song I think or some velvet underground

0:56:21.640 --> 0:56:24.520
<v Speaker 2>song or something. And it was fun. It was fun,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just it was my life and then I

0:56:27.680 --> 0:56:32.080
<v Speaker 2>just fell into a different thing. Yeah. You know, my daughter,

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<v Speaker 2>we both really like Katie, but she was very much

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<v Speaker 2>into uh. I forget what the album was, but but

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<v Speaker 2>it was during the period of time when my daughter

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<v Speaker 2>played the bass for like three days, like we've had

0:56:43.600 --> 0:56:45.920
<v Speaker 2>literally every instrument in the house at some point or another,

0:56:46.239 --> 0:56:48.600
<v Speaker 2>thinking that she was gonna pay. You know, she gave

0:56:48.640 --> 0:56:52.360
<v Speaker 2>recording lessons. She's like everything and now she's in college.

0:56:52.360 --> 0:56:54.520
<v Speaker 2>She was playing the harp, which was literally the only

0:56:54.640 --> 0:56:59.560
<v Speaker 2>instrument we did not have that awesome instrument, but pay

0:56:59.600 --> 0:57:02.680
<v Speaker 2>Katie still songs on the bass for a week. Katie's

0:57:02.719 --> 0:57:06.520
<v Speaker 2>great and she is. She's got a crazy story.

0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:09.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, she's she's a really interesting person and she

0:57:09.600 --> 0:57:12.359
<v Speaker 1>could she's a real kind of she's like you, she's

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<v Speaker 1>like a real musician.

0:57:13.600 --> 0:57:16.600
<v Speaker 2>She's a real proper it's not there's nothing else going on.

0:57:17.000 --> 0:57:21.360
<v Speaker 2>She's a musician and she's a super talented person. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>that's enough. Well, it's always a pleasure. I love you,

0:57:25.160 --> 0:57:26.760
<v Speaker 2>love you long taking my love to love you. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, talk to you, said