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Speaker 1: the Planet Chasing Bear. Welcome to the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is the fourth podcast in our series coming out

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Speaker 1: of Manitoba, Canada on this whitetail hunt that we've just

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Speaker 1: done with Tom Ainsworth, and we are we're on our home,

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Speaker 1: on our way home from Manitoba right now. We've actually

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Speaker 1: driven through the night and I've got James Lawrence here

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Speaker 1: James Lawrence and the passenger seat in the front, and

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Speaker 1: I've got Steve Schultz in the back and we we've

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Speaker 1: left Canada. Last you heard was our podcast with Tom

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Speaker 1: and if you recall, it was the fifth day of

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Speaker 1: and I talked about how I'd had a pretty tough

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Speaker 1: one day left. James had already killed a buck on

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Speaker 1: a little bit of scouting for me. Uh, Steve was

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Speaker 1: for just for those of you that wouldn't know, any

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Speaker 1: nonresident hunting in Canada has to be guided. That's just

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Speaker 1: the law. So he can't an American or anyone any

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Speaker 1: Hunt of any kind always has to be guided. So

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Speaker 1: He doesn't anymore. He sold it and now he just

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Speaker 1: on the western side, forty miles from Saskatchewan. This is

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Speaker 1: my second year to come up here. Last year Steve

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Speaker 1: They didn't have to spend any time out there. They

430
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: could just come out, feed up the beans, go back in.

431
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: I mean they could get a belly full of beans

432
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 1: and about ten fifteen minute. That's what Tom was talking

433
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: about in high protein. They didn't need to stay out

434
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: there for three hours. On the afalfa, they're out there

435
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 1: for forever. They come out forever. Ye, So I knew

436
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: we didn't have much time. Yeah, And what do you

437
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: remember what I said? Or I want to tell off

438
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,479
Speaker 1: on you for one thing, because as soon as you've

439
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: seen it's James, it's the buck. It's a shooter buck.

440
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: James at the buck, its shooter buck. Well, you grabbed

441
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: stuff and hit it up the blind and then you

442
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: come back in and was getting a camera equipment and

443
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: where's my gun? You left it outside? All right? Yeah,

444
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: I know, I know you were, but I don't know

445
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: how to run a camera, but I would give anything

446
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 1: to have a camera on you out there holding that

447
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: gun up and crawling through the snow with your backpack

448
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: and trying to get We gotta tell him what happened.

449
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: So so I I just started gathering stuff up and say, James,

450
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna close the distance on those deer.

451
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: And so I get the gun, the camera equipment, I

452
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: go out of the blind and I decided not to

453
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: do it because the deer actually walked off the field.

454
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: Remember the deer. The deer walked off the field. I

455
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: get outside of the blind and put the glass up.

456
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: The deer aren't there. James says, they're gone, and I go, well, shoot,

457
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 1: I guess I'll just get back in the blind. Get

458
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: back in the blind, I know more to sit down

459
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: and I that's when I left my gun outside. Yeah,

460
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,959
Speaker 1: the gun was leaned up on Steve gun outside. Yeah,

461
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 1: and yeah, don't tell Steve that. Then the buck reappears

462
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: and he kind of made a loop and come back

463
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: into the same corner where we'd originally seen him. And

464
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,719
Speaker 1: you know, probably ten minutes of time had elapsed, and

465
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: so I said, Okay, it's go time. So I grabbed

466
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: the gun, my backpack, all my gear, my camera, tripod

467
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 1: and whatnot, and basically I don't really have to belly crawl,

468
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: but I was basically walking on my knees. I mean,

469
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: I just got down on my knees and was walking

470
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: on my knees with one hand, kind of like a

471
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: three three legged eight crawl across this field. And you know,

472
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: you're just going off total adrenaline. At that point, I

473
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: had a game plan. I knew where I had to get.

474
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: I knew I had to stay low. I knew I

475
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: didn't have much time. I was carrying a nine pound

476
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: gun and a backpack that weighed about twenty pounds gear.

477
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: I mean, I was it was cold. It was twenties

478
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 1: seven degrees no, and I was twenty four degrees. It's

479
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 1: cold cold this morning to the hunt. Twenty four degrees.

480
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: So I bundled up. So I felt like the abominable

481
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: snow man, you know, bumbling across this being filled but

482
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: you know, and I didn't have any gloves on. So

483
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: I'm putting my hands down in bare snow, moving, moving, moving, moving, moving.

484
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: Finally I get to the first safety point where I

485
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: knew they couldn't see me behind a stack of logs,

486
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: and I put up my glass and there's no deer there,

487
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: but kyote comes out of the woods and so James

488
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: is in the blind watching all this, and basically kyote

489
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 1: started yipping and they didn't really run the deer off.

490
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: But as soon as this kyles started yepping, the deer

491
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: disappeared back in the timber. Is that what happened? And

492
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: then when I put up my glass, the clouds that

493
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: were yipping or one of them appears right where the

494
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: deer were. So I mean, basically a kyote ran the

495
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: deer off, and you know, I was like the opportune

496
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: time for that to happen. But man, that's far beyond

497
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: the control of what we control. So it was a benefit. Yes,

498
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: it got the deer out, went on, give you a

499
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: little break in time to get down to where you're going.

500
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: It really, I hate to say it, but it kind

501
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: of kind of worked. It worked, man. So now the

502
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: fear that the field is cleared, so I'm able just

503
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: to go straight to this point that we had picked

504
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: out that would put me within two fifty yards of

505
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: where the bucks exited the field in this corner, and

506
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,959
Speaker 1: so I get there and we got a little bit

507
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: of a communication problem because James didn't have a cell

508
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: phone with him. So James is in the blind with

509
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: no communication, and I was anticipating just going over there

510
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: and shooting this buck and then coming out. Well, I

511
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: get to this point. It's the last day of my hunt.

512
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: I've just seen a shooter buck on the edge of

513
00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: the soybean field, and I'm thinking immediately, i'd don't need

514
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: to go, I don't need to leave. I need to

515
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: stay here all day, That's what I But Tom is

516
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: coming to pick us up at ten thirty. James is

517
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: in the blind without communication, and so basically I texted

518
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: Tom and said, Tom, I'm on these bucks. I mean

519
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: a good spot. The wind is perfect. It's blown out

520
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: of the south and east, blowing my scent out into

521
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: this big field. I said, I'm just gonna stay here

522
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: all day. And I said, but you know, come pick

523
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: up James at the normal time, but park your truck.

524
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: I told him, slip in get James, and so that's

525
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: what he did. Any worked, Um, it was one of

526
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: those days I didn't pack really will and I was cold,

527
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: ready to go, and I I couldn't do anything where

528
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: I was at, but I knew, and I told them

529
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: all day long. He didn't know. No, he's not gonna

530
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: call you. He's gonna call you dark. He's gonna get it.

531
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: Just the last last step. And I was walking up

532
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: to the house waiting on the court. What I went

533
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: up for supper and then we're gonna pick you up

534
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: and come in and help supper. And I said, no, no, no,

535
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: we were sitting there in the phone ring, and I said,

536
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: that's it. Did you hear the phone ring? Yeah, I

537
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: sitting there when he caught I sat there for ten hours.

538
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: I got in there at about eight thirty. That's what

539
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: I figured, James is probably forty five. Truthfully, we be

540
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: I got shooting light at eight o'clock. I think we

541
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,479
Speaker 1: saw the deer at shortly after that, and then I

542
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,719
Speaker 1: moved in and I was probably set up on him

543
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: around nine o'clock. And and then basically I sat there

544
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: all day. I built the blind, I had some clip

545
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: my clippers with me, I had a I packed a

546
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: bologny sandwich. We eat in a whole loaf of bread.

547
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: But we left the two heels right. We just ate

548
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: the middle out of that loaf of bread. So on

549
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: the last day of the and I wake up and

550
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: we've got two heels and uh, two slabs of blown

551
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: he left, so I slapped him together put him in

552
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: the pack just in case something like this happened. So

553
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: I had a little bit of food. High temperature for

554
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: the day was like seven. That was cold, but I

555
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: was dressed right to stay warm. And basically I got

556
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: out on this little point, built a blind and just

557
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: stayed there all day. And I was thinking that maybe

558
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: those deer might come out back out mid day to

559
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: grab a few beans. That's what I was thinking. That's

560
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: why I wanted to stay as I just like it's

561
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: the last day, might as well, So I stayed out there.

562
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: Long story short, there was not much activity throughout the day.

563
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: I had two deer come out at one o'clock. So

564
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: I got set up at let's just say nine o'clock

565
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: in my spot, and at one o'clock I saw two deer.

566
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: A little bit before that, I had a coyote come

567
00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: right through. I saw. That was it until like six o'clock,

568
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: which the end of legal shooting light was about seven

569
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: forty five. I believe I think sunset was six fourteen,

570
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: so thirty minutes past that would be sixty four So

571
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: at like six o'clock I saw a small eight point

572
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,959
Speaker 1: buck come out on the back edge of a field,

573
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: not where the big buck had gone. I felt like it,

574
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: really there was no correlation between this buck and the

575
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: big buck. When I watched this younger buck for a

576
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: long time, and then at probably six twenty a year

577
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: land dough popped out behind me. I'm watching this year

578
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: land do to other does pop out. I'm kind of

579
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: watching them, thinking, well, is there gonna be a buck

580
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: with them? And I'm paying attention to them behind me,

581
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: and meanwhile in front of me, is really you where

582
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: I think the deer is gonna come from? And when

583
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 1: I turned back around, James, I mean it was It's

584
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: it was just one of those times in hunting when

585
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: it when it just worked. The wind had been perfect

586
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: all day long, and Tom says, it's pretty unusual to

587
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: get an east wind up there. The wind blew out

588
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: of the east for ten straight hours without variation, unbelievable,

589
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: and was blowing my scent right out into the center

590
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: of that being filled where there was no deer gonna

591
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: be and no dear gonna come from that way. And

592
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: all day. That's what I was shocked at, was how

593
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 1: stable the wind was and anyway I turned back around

594
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: at let's just say, probably six thirty two. I mean

595
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: it was getting dark. I mean that was my next question.

596
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: How much shooting light did you have when you pull

597
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: the trigger? You didn't have a whole lot. We were

598
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: we were, we were cheering for you back into the house,

599
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: and we were getting updates and you're probably looking out

600
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: the windows, going it's getting dark. I told him it's

601
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: gonna be. The last five minutes you were you were

602
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: about right on. I have to look back at the

603
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: actual footage to see it. Really, I really don't know what.

604
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: I very seldom, if ever had that feeling, but I

605
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: had no doubt. I knew you probably wouldn't miss, but

606
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 1: I didn't have a doubt that you wouldn't that Buck

607
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't be back, not one day. You had confidence I would.

608
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 1: I'm not a betting person, but I hadn't bet anything.

609
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 1: I just felt it, you know, I just I don't

610
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: see anyway that this is not gonna work. And that's

611
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: hard to do with the white tail deer, you know,

612
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: and Steve was texting me all afternoon to He's saying

613
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: he's gonna come, He's gonna come, He's gonna come. Well

614
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: I felt, I felt, I really did well. See that's

615
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: the thing when it's when it's you in the battle,

616
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: when it's you in the hunt, it's so easy to

617
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: be pessimistic. And you know what, though, I was really

618
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: at peace with whatever was gonna happen though, because I,

619
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I had taken a chance in going out

620
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: to that point, I've been pretty aggressive, and I just thought,

621
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: if I don't do this, I'll look back on this

622
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: hunt and wish that I had. And I felt good

623
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: about the decision. You've done good. I felt good about

624
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: the decision to be out there. And and I tell

625
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: you what, I learned something, James. The longer I hunt,

626
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: the more decisive I become. And I'm just learning that

627
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: you just gotta make a decision in hunting. And one

628
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 1: decision that you make one day maybe the wrong decision,

629
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: but you gotta keep making a decision based upon the

630
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: data that you have, the facts that you have, and

631
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: honestly that just the gut sensing that you have about stuff.

632
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 1: After you know, a lifetime interacting with white tails and

633
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: and and that's very true. If you if you make

634
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: a point what you're gonna do, just stay with it.

635
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: It'll work for you. Just stay with it. Stay with it,

636
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: it'll work for you. But I would have I would

637
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: have been disappointed if you give up and come in.

638
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: I would yeah, well he's not coming in and cold

639
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: time and we pick you up. You know, a little

640
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: bit of shooting light left and I know what happens.

641
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: I've done it to me before I know, I've left

642
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: and dear come in. Yeah, stayed to that last light.

643
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: It's so easy just to think it's not gonna happen.

644
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: And so I know that Steve is getting ready to go,

645
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: and we are leaving for Arkansas at dark. I mean

646
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: we're not We're not even gonna spend the night. It's

647
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: the last day of the hunt. I know this. We're

648
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: not even gonna stay. We're headed out and I'm I

649
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: mean it's six thirty and I'm thinking, well, I didn't

650
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,919
Speaker 1: get a buck. It was a fun ride. I got

651
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: to hunt hard for six and a half days and

652
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: cold weather, and you saw some of may is in country.

653
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: You were telling yourself that heck, yeah, I mean, you

654
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: know what you just think. I mean, you just don't know.

655
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I was just, I guess, trying

656
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: to get okay with that, and and I was. And man,

657
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: when I had seen those little does come out, I

658
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: turned back around and man, there was a dark blob

659
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: in an odd space. You know how, you know how

660
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: when you look at the spot for hours, you know

661
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: every tree, every bush, every shadow, everything that could be

662
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: a deer, every place you think there will be a deer.

663
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: And I looked back and there was something there and

664
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: it was big, and I was like, go time. I mean,

665
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: it was just like, bam, that's him. But if you remember,

666
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: there were two bucks, and I'm looking at one buck,

667
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: and I felt like that one of the bucks was

668
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: a lesser buck, and so I wanted to get some

669
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: glass on this deer so that I could make sure

670
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't shooting a a smaller deer and then the

671
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: real shooters in the back, because I was gonna go

672
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 1: home with an empty tag rather than shoot him lesser

673
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: immature deer. I mean, I had the opportunity to shoot

674
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: that eight point earlier in the afternoon. I mean, I

675
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: wasn't just trying to fill a tag on the last

676
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: day at all, and so I really wanted to look

677
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: at this deer. And and when we end this, James,

678
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: I want to talk about judging deer because when I

679
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: first saw this deer I had no real comprehension of

680
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: his size other than that his body features indicate that

681
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 1: he was mature, and I could see horns on his head.

682
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: So I put up the it. I scrambled around with

683
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: the camera trying to get it all on film. Put

684
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 1: the gun up, got the scope on about six power

685
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: of the deers at two forty eight yards from me.

686
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: The deer's got his head down and he sideways to me,

687
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: you know his He's like broadside to me, and I

688
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: feel like I see a pretty damn good time coming

689
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: off like a G one. But the G the G

690
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: three looked kind of short. And anyway, I looked at

691
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: him and looked at him and looked at him, and

692
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:19,919
Speaker 1: I just said, I need to I need to see

693
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: him look at me. And man, he lifted his head.

694
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 1: And when he lifted his head, it took me about

695
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: half a second ago judging. I was like that, yep,

696
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: that's him. He was out past his ears. He was tall.

697
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: I can see he had good brow times and I

698
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: could see he had tremendous mass, and I mean it

699
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: was like done, deal, this has got to happen quick,

700
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: and so I I mean it was after that, I mean,

701
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: the the show was over. I had him ranged. I

702
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: knew where he was. I knew that bullet dropped about

703
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: four inches at two fifty yards. He's two forty eight.

704
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: So the deer is quartering. To me, the deer is

705
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,479
Speaker 1: a gigantic target just because such a big body. We're

706
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: shooting up. How many grains is that bullet? Steve, Steve's

707
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: got his headphones in back there. I think it's a

708
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: dang there three grain bullet. And I shoot for the

709
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:27,439
Speaker 1: front shoulder of quarter and two, and man, bam, all

710
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: I see is white belly on the field. After that,

711
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: I lost him in the scope when I shot, and

712
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: just but I could see he just went down. And man,

713
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: I kind of came on glued. You'll have to You'll

714
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: you'll get to see the video at some point. Huh,

715
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: what due reason? Just imagine how many hours you set

716
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: for something happened in a matter of just a few minutes,

717
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: I mean five minutes maybe, Yeah. How many hours did

718
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: we sit over there. But when it happens, it happened,

719
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: you don't have and that it's kind of hard to explain.

720
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: It's much time and money you spend yea to hunt

721
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:11,959
Speaker 1: and the hunt is just seconds some or minutes sometimes seconds. Um,

722
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: I didn't have it. I didn't have time to judge. Mind,

723
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: there was two bucks showed up running out of shooting light,

724
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: and when he raised his head, I fen, I just

725
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: you know, I can't judge one frontal. I need to broadside,

726
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: and I chose to take him and did. Um, but

727
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: I didn't have the chance to judge. Like you're talking

728
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: about where you can really you know, I mean you

729
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: can see the width of the ears, get your width. Yeah,

730
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,919
Speaker 1: but get that beam lenked out here where it's out

731
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: where you know you've got some beam on it. And

732
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 1: the time time length. Um. But well so I then

733
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: pretty much immediately called Tom, and you and Steve are

734
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: in the living room with Tom. I was standing there

735
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: upside and when the phone ring and I said, that's him,

736
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: and he done big buck on the ground. Yeah, Tom's

737
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: all business man. The second time, that's the second time

738
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: I've called Tom about a deer and I say, I

739
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: got one. Tom and he goes, Okay, we'll be right there,

740
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 1: see you later. Just it was just all I wanted

741
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: to like tell him the story, you know. Man. He

742
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: came in and right it dark. He looks pretty big,

743
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: and I don't want the story. He wants to get

744
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: his hands on it. That's right. He didn't care. He's

745
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: just like talk about we'll be there. Oh man. Tom

746
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: gets excited, And you know, so much of the fun

747
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: of this hunt was having, you know, knowing you guys

748
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 1: were rooting for me, just like I was rooting for y'all. Okay,

749
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: now here's here's something this happened, and this is I

750
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: can't I don't really think this has ever happened to

751
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: me before, James, because most of the well all the

752
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: biggest here I've killed have been with a bow, so

753
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,280
Speaker 1: you you get a close look at him, but because

754
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: there within bow range when you shoot him. This is

755
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: the only big deer that I've killed with a firearm.

756
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 1: And uh, I really had no idea like how big

757
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: this rack was. And as I'm walking up, I'm thinking,

758
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 1: and I didn't really care what the score was. I

759
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 1: honestly didn't. The buck was mature, he was heavy, that's

760
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: all I care. I mean he could have been a

761
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: six point if he'd have been that big, heavy Canadian

762
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: you know, horn mass, dark horn, gnarly. I mean, I

763
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: was gonna be happy. I didn't care, So it wasn't

764
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: like I was trying to scoring. But I said to

765
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: the camera, I said, I have no idea if that's

766
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: a buck or a hundred and sixty buck. I just

767
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. So many times you have grounds, Frinkage,

768
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: but I don't think you had any grounds, Frinka, did

769
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: you know. I walk up to the deer and and

770
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: I can just see a lot of horns sticking up

771
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: off the ground and get to him, and I mean,

772
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: basically it's a main frame eight point with a kicker,

773
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: and he had super mass. We hadn't really put a

774
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: tape on him at all. He's about eighteen and a

775
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: half inches wide. You got probably ten and a half inch.

776
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 1: G two's big curled, and one of his G two's

777
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: James is bladed. It's probably an inch and a half

778
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: even inch and three quarters wide. Probably it's just like

779
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: this big bladed time um. And I mean the deer

780
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: was huge. Week later, would weigh the deer and it

781
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: weighed two hundred and forty eight pounds with with guts

782
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: in and so man, the hunt ended at the last

783
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: minute with a good deer. And I don't even want

784
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 1: to guess what his score was. It's not a hundred

785
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: and fifty inch deer. No, it just didn't you know,

786
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: it's just an eight point kind of had short threes,

787
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 1: but just super mass. I mean I would drive across

788
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: North America in a flash every year to kill it.

789
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: There like that. I like the mass um more than

790
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: I do tie length. The time length is. You know,

791
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: it's critical if you're looking at inches and stuff, But

792
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: I like that mass I don't care if it's a

793
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: six point eight point ten point with masks like that,

794
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: you don't care. You know, you've got a big, mature

795
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: massy buck. That was. I don't know what he scores either,

796
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: but you've got a prize. It's a dandy. Oh man,

797
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: I was. I'm just so impressed by the size of

798
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: those deers, those head and neck and body uh coming

799
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: from yeah. Oh, I don't know the part Arkansas that

800
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: we hunt that our dear that's probably I doubt that

801
00:46:55,360 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: our dear average O. We're aren't thirty. I mean, there's

802
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: bigger deer. Course, but our deer is about half that size. Yeah,

803
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: you know. And of course they don't have the masks.

804
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 1: I mean they do some, but they can as a

805
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 1: not common just h and it's we talked to hunters

806
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: and and I've done the same thing. I've over judged

807
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: the weight and stuff to put them put them on

808
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: the scales, and women and no, and then you take

809
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: one you put on the scales and it goes over

810
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: tuned in up to two fifty. I'm not used to that.

811
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: That's twice the size of the area Arkansas that I

812
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: hunt up. You know, if I pound deer, yeah, it

813
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: can be a good ten point yeah, eighteen twenty spread.

814
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: But they normally don't have the mask. Didn't have the mask.

815
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 1: And that's what Tom talked about. He told us all week.

816
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: And he says, guys, he says, I don't I don't

817
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: care if a deer, I don't care what it's score words.

818
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: He said, what I'm looking for his mass, And he

819
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: said that's what most guys want when they come to

820
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 1: Canada is just a deer with a lot of masks.

821
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: Picking up some of the shutters he's had there over

822
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: the years and stuff it just, um, you don't have

823
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: that feeling in Arkansas when you pick up a shutter. Yeah,

824
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,479
Speaker 1: you know you got a handful, you gotta hand them. Yeah. Well,

825
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: we kind of had a classic Canadian hunt on the

826
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:28,439
Speaker 1: steel and I want to close out this podcast by

827
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: talking about what we learned about judging deer, because I'll

828
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: tell you I went into this talking to these guys

829
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: saying that the deer that I killed last year was

830
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: bigger than he looked. So I was like, you know,

831
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 1: this deer, I thought he was a hundred thirty inch dear,

832
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: he ended up being a hundred fifty inch deer. Well,

833
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: that actually can hurt you because if you it's all

834
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: about scale, and you can think a deer is bigger

835
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: than he is and still he's a small deer. And

836
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: that's maybe my biggest takeaway from hunting Canada twice now

837
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: is that there are small deer here. Like you kind

838
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: of have in your mind that if you see a

839
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: racked buck, it's gonna be this big deer. Well, there's

840
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: all age class of deer here, all genetic class of

841
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: deer here. And so you know, Stephen, the last podcast

842
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: we talked about his buck. You know he he he

843
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: misjudged the deer on the first day at ten point

844
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: that had all the characteristics of a big buck, except

845
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: when we got to him, he was just about, you know,

846
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: two thirds the size of what we really wanted him

847
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: to be and what we really came up there to hunt.

848
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:46,479
Speaker 1: And and so we talked about two things that could

849
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: have helped him is that the the younger deer, their

850
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: main beams don't come out to their end of their

851
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: nose and beyond their face. Because even Steve's deer, that

852
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: was a younger deer, and it's super nice, dear, but

853
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: a younger deer still weighed well over two undred pounds,

854
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: I mean, so it was a big bodied animal. So

855
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 1: but that dear, if you looked perpendicular to it, like his,

856
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: his main beams did not come out beyond his nose.

857
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: Almost any of these shooter deer here in Canada, their

858
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: main beams are for sure gonna come to their nose.

859
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 1: But the other thing you really got to look at

860
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,439
Speaker 1: is is body size. Yesterday, James, last day of the hunt,

861
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: that eight point comes out from two hundred fifty yards away,

862
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: the one I didn't shoot, and I think a guy

863
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: could have easily talked himself into shooting that deer. That

864
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: deer weighed well over two hundred pounds. His horns came

865
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 1: out to his ears. I mean, if you had just

866
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: really been triggered happy, you could have shot that deer

867
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: thinking you were shooting a hundred and thirty in shape

868
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 1: point when really you were shooting a hundred and ten

869
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: inch ap point. Just the scale of that dear. And

870
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: so what you really need to look for is the

871
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: characteristics of a really mature buck up in Canada is

872
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: just gonna be thick, dark. We've noticed a lot of

873
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: these bigger deer just darker in color, I mean just

874
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: thick all the way through. Even a two pound two

875
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 1: and a half to three and a half year old

876
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 1: deer still doesn't have the body shape of a really

877
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: big mature buck. His his belly is flat, his back

878
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: is not arched, his neck is more defined as it

879
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: comes out of his front. He doesn't have a boxy,

880
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: real boxy look. His legs look a little bit longer.

881
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: Even though it's a two pound deer, it's still has

882
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: the characteristics of a two and a half or three

883
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: and a half year old white tail. Just like back

884
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: at home, does that make sense. Yeah, it really does,

885
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: and so scale will get you. And part of the

886
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,240
Speaker 1: reason I knew that the second buck was a shooter

887
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: early early that morning was I was looking at a

888
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: buck that had a nice rack of horns, and the

889
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: deer that was following him, following him was just a

890
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 1: notch bigger. I mean, it was just forty pounds heavier,

891
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: it was taller, it was longer, and I was like,

892
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: that second one is a mature buck. Now, if you'd

893
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: have seen the first one by himself, you'd have had it.

894
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,439
Speaker 1: You'd really had to have analyzed it. And I think

895
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: the main thing is is you've got to You just can't.

896
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: You just can't pull the trigger, especially in a situation

897
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: like this where you're hunting. You're hunting, uh, you're traveling

898
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 1: the hunt. I mean there's a lot invested in this hunt.

899
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: You know, if you're hunting your own property, I mean

900
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: you can do whatever you want. Uh, when you're when

901
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: it's on a hunt like this, you you kind of

902
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: have to go into it wanting to find multiple factors

903
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: that show you that this is the kind of deer

904
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: you want to have. Judging bears always tell people don't

905
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 1: rely on just one thing, relying multiple things, and so

906
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: up here in Canada, I was looking for a deers

907
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: horns went out past his nose. I was looking for

908
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: a deer that did not show the characteristics of a

909
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: young three year old body, two year old body, flat belly,

910
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: narrower neck, longer legs. Um I was looking for. I

911
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,919
Speaker 1: was just looking for that kind of bull angus bull

912
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: and the pasture look and a big buck. And it's

913
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: just they're hard to find. What do you have anything

914
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: about judging deer that you learned up here? Well, actually

915
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: I didn't. I got I guess I got too excited.

916
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: I normally do. But we were in there, still shot.

917
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: You still shot a I mean, you shot him ature buck.

918
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: Though yeah, it's a mature buck. But I really you know,

919
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: you said the other day, if it's a question about it,

920
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: don't shoot. And I was running out a lot, uh,

921
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: and he are from a shot and he was faced on,

922
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: he had to wit and it looked to me like

923
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: the wreck that I he looked like a shooter, I mean,

924
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,760
Speaker 1: and then when he gave me a broadside shot, I debated,

925
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: I remembered debating just to myself, don't don't, don't getting

926
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: getting late, and but see, how have you made the

927
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,479
Speaker 1: right choice? Though, James, I would have shot that deer

928
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: because that dear way two or fifty pounds. He had

929
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: all the characteristics of a big deer. Now, he didn't

930
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: have the rack. I mean, I think we said, we

931
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: talked about it today. He probably had a hundred and

932
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 1: twenty in rack, so he just didn't. He didn't have

933
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: the massive rack. But still, I mean, it was a

934
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: mature animal and there was another one behind him, and

935
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: I couldn't focus on him. Um, right, this one offered

936
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: me a shot. Uh, probably pretty common mistake. I admit

937
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: I didn't judge the deer. I should I didn't have

938
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: time to judge the deer. He gave me give me

939
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: the wit judgment and the way he was holding and said,

940
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: I thought I had the height. Um, and I when

941
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: we walked up on him, I was impressed very much

942
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: with the size of the deer. But he didn't have

943
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: the rack I was expecting. Yeah, he really did. I mean,

944
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: I'm pickled to death of the deer. You know, right

945
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: when we were watching that deer, I was more excited

946
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: about it being a big shooter buck than judging it.

947
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, I want to get in

948
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: a position closer because we couldn't do anything about it

949
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: where we were at. Yeah, I mean it really couldn't. Um.

950
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: And the fact that you got closer and you had

951
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:52,959
Speaker 1: time time to judge him, thankful for that. Yeah, but

952
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: I think it was pretty obvious when he come out

953
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: he was a shooter though, Yeah, without judging him. Yeah,

954
00:55:58,280 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: I mean the judge and that dere was a no.

955
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 1: And especially being the last day, I just needed to

956
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: confirm that it was a mature animal. That's that's what

957
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to do. The judging party is for you

958
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: to get to the bigger bucks, letting some of them walk.

959
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: It's hard to let a big old buck well that

960
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: when I went across the field other day might have

961
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 1: been the one that was with us one. Yeah, I

962
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: mean it was a it was a decent buck. Um.

963
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 1: I didn't have a I didn't have a tag, didn't

964
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: have a gun. I was just out there. But um,

965
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: I'm glad I didn't have that decision, you know, because

966
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: I might have made a mistake on it. But it

967
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: was a I mean, it was a good good body, dear.

968
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: I don't believe I believe it was a young deer,

969
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: was a smaller rack, but it it had the width.

970
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: I mean it was Oh yeah. And the dude that

971
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: was with the one that I did take on the Tuesday,

972
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: uh M, could have been the one. You could have

973
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 1: been the one that you got. Yeah, I don't know,

974
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: I just I just know they both had good racks,

975
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: and they both big deer, and I rushed. But you know,

976
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: the different bucks that I've seen later in the week, Um,

977
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: maybe if I had been carrying a firearm still out

978
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: a tag, been sitting out there. I was just more

979
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: or less scouting. I was just trying to see deer,

980
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: what kind of deer, if any bucks, any shooter bucks

981
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: come in. And that boat just busted me. I mean

982
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: I I was sitting there all day and he walked

983
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: up and when I turned and saying he'd walked in

984
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: the field, standing there but outside, um fifty yards each way.

985
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: He was out probably fifty yards in the gate fifty

986
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: yards of that island. And I would think that if

987
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: I was in there hunting with a with a rival,

988
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: that I would have checked that, right, you know, and

989
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: I did, You would have you would have. I was

990
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: waiting on the outfitter, uh time to come pick me up.

991
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: And when I I had my gloved, had backpack and

992
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: he's standing there a broadside, you know, and he didn't

993
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: have to have glasses for this one. He wasn't that far. Definitely,

994
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: what you're kind of describing is that if you had

995
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: passed that deer on the first on the second day

996
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: that you end up killing, and you had said you

997
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: probably you would have, you would have had opportunity of

998
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: that second deer. But who knows if that deer wasn't

999
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: smaller than the one you killed. Now he was, um,

1000
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: he was. He was a good buck. He was a

1001
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: big buck. Yeah, um, he's one that you just I

1002
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: was just so wanting him to come out on the

1003
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: other side of the island. But the dog come out

1004
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: come on the side that I was onest. She stopped

1005
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: three times, just walked like nervous, and I don't know

1006
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: where that buck went, but he went out of sight.

1007
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: I never said him again, But yeah, I was I

1008
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: was sick, man. I just I fumbled, and you know,

1009
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: I didn't have a gun. I was just I was

1010
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: just just scouting scouting. Well, I think the I think

1011
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: the main takeaway is that when you go to a

1012
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:22,479
Speaker 1: new area to hunt white tails, you need to be

1013
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: really cautious with judging deer. You know, if if your

1014
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: goal is to take a big one, and it's not

1015
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: everybody's goal, and so that you know, to teach his own.

1016
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: You're going to a new area. And I was trying

1017
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: too hard. I was rushing stuff. I wouldn't. I wouldn't myself, right.

1018
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: But a hunt like this turns you. It's hard because

1019
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: you've got six days. We talked about it, James, how

1020
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: if we were back home hunting like this man, we

1021
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: would We'd had plenty of time. You wouldn't go hunt

1022
00:59:56,200 --> 01:00:00,080
Speaker 1: when the conditions were bad. You'd just come back. If

1023
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: that bucks weren't chasing those and bucks weren't moving much,

1024
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: you just wait and come back the next week. But

1025
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: then on a six day hunt, you just gotta go

1026
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: hunt every day. So it does put this pressure on

1027
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: you too. You know you're gonna get one opportunity. That's

1028
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: pretty much what Tom says, as with most of his hunters,

1029
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: if they throughout the week in a six day hunt,

1030
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: they're gonna get one opportunity. I mean legitimate opportunity at

1031
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: a big bugy doesn't mean it's gonna be the only

1032
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: one you see. You may see several, but like shooting

1033
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: opportunity and that that played true with with all of us,

1034
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: it really didn't. Yeah, and some day it happens on

1035
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: the last day for sure. Yeah. Well this this is

1036
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: the final podcast in our Manitoba white Tail series. This

1037
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: is a bear hunting magazine podcast. But the way I

1038
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: look at it is that, man, anybody that's hunting bear

1039
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,439
Speaker 1: is gonna be a white tail hunter as well. And uh,

1040
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: and this is up in some serious bear country where

1041
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: a lot of our outfitters are that are in Bare

1042
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: Hunting Magazine. I know we've got several good, really good

1043
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: Manitoba outfitters um that I would recommend that I know

1044
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: personally up in that area. And uh, anyway, I'm I'm

1045
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: kind of following in love with Manitoba. This is the

1046
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 1: second year James and of all the Big Rack Home

1047
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: for Manage. Yeah. Man, it's just an awesome It's an

1048
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: awesome place to be, It's an awesome place to hunt.

1049
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: It's such a different place to hunt than then where

1050
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: we're from. And that's probably what so much fun. And

1051
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: it was a blast hunting with you and Steve really

1052
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: was Steve's my father in law. And then for those

1053
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 1: that hadn't heard the other podcast, me and James have

1054
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: been friends for a long time and this this is

1055
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: a dream of ours to be able to hunt white

1056
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: tales together. And Steve and I came up here last

1057
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: year and again it just had a fantastic time with

1058
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: these guys as they waited around camp for me to

1059
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,439
Speaker 1: kill one on the last day. So thanks for hanging

1060
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: in there for me, that was that was a pleasure.

1061
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: I and George. I and George scouting, sitting out and

1062
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: the silence of that place. You know, there's no planes,

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Speaker 1: trains or automobiles. One plane went over the rest of

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Speaker 1: it just peaceful and you're out there, uh steal out there.

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Speaker 1: There's something about the cold, cold, dry air like that

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Speaker 1: that that oh man, those afternoons would just be dead still. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It just it pushes you for what's gonna come out

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01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: next and where it's coming out, I mean anticipation, um,

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01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: and they usually do. Something comes out. The first day

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Speaker 1: that bear come out by me and I was excited.

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Speaker 1: Beautiful beautiful bear. Um. I was just glad to see. Yeah,

1072
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: whildlife in a place like that. Yeah, incredible. And then man,

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01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: for me, geez, the final day to kill a buck

1074
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: like I did the last five minutes fuels the fire

1075
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: even more to want to get back up here and

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01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: and to tell people that they how to come up here.

1077
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Speaker 1: This hunts a lot more affordable than you think. I mean,

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01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: I think guys think of Canadian white tail hunt's gonna

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01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: cost five to seven thousand dollars, and this one doesn't.

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01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Tom charges about three three grand

1081
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 1: for a hunt, which is a lot of money for anybody.

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01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: It's a lot of money for me, um, But at

1083
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: the same time, it's it's worth every penny of it. Yeah,

1084
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it's an experience that if you're a white

1085
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Speaker 1: tail hunter, you need to come hunt to Far North.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is like an iconic place for white tails,

1087
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: and Tom's an iconic guy. Man. We even laughed and

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01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: laughed about Tom. What a what a guy, geez, He's

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01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: got a he's got a philosophy for everything. He is

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01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: like a machine. Tom Ain's Earth is like a well

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01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 1: oiled machine ten when it comes to hunting, When it

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01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: comes to everything, you can come in there with your

1093
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 1: shin down where you messed up that day. Tom's there.

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01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: It don't matter. He says that all the time, don't matter.

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01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: He deals really well with He'll fire you up and

1096
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 1: you're ready to forget it, do better the next time,

1097
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 1: and and you do. You do. I sit and listened

1098
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 1: to him all the time, whether you're talking to me

1099
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: or somebody else, that it and look at you, look

1100
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: you in the eyes, and he means it. It don't matter,

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01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 1: you know, and it don't do it again. It's always tomorrow.

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01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: He's always got a really positive outlook on everything. And

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01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: then that helps when you're when you're leader, has got

1104
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: as much knowledge as he has an experience. Holy cow,

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01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: he's been putting this property for forty years. Just sitting

1106
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: and listen to him all day long. Yeah, you know,

1107
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 1: Tom has not been educated by the Tom has not

1108
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: been at catered by the by the media knowledge of

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01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: whitetail deer. I mean Tom Tom. I could describe a

1110
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: couple of different things that would show you that he

1111
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: has been educated by hunting him for forty years, but

1112
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 1: not just him, not just his experience, but guiding between

1113
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: probably six and eighteen hunters every year, putting them out

1114
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: in places, getting a report from them, seeing what they killed,

1115
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 1: seeing what the deer do. He's a he's a master

1116
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: on his own property of telling you what these de're

1117
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: gonna do. So, I mean he's not he's not into

1118
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: the fads of whitetail, honey. And I can tell you

1119
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 1: one thing that Tom Ainsworth doesn't give a darn about

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01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: is win direction. What did he say? He said? He said,

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01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 1: he said, he said win direction. He said, well, you

1122
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: got a seventy five chance, so it's gonna work. I'd

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01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:56,479
Speaker 1: go into the spot and I'd be, man, how's the wind,

1124
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: And he said, I don't care. You've got a seventy

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01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 1: chance and it's gonna work, and if it doesn't, we'll

1126
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 1: go somewhere else tomorrow. I mean attitude that you can have.

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01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 1: H Yeah, he did it with the small stuff, and

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01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 1: you know, I think he I mean hunting these pressured

1129
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 1: deer like we do in the South and in the Midwest.

1130
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you do need to watch your wind, and

1131
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: we know that he knows that. But these deer up

1132
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 1: here are different. They are not pressured. And man, you bump,

1133
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 1: you bump some of these deer out of the field,

1134
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: they'll probably be back in there, if not that evening

1135
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: the next day. I mean, these deer are a little

1136
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 1: bit different. So you know, his perspective there is coming

1137
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 1: from his knowledge of his deer, and uh, he makes

1138
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 1: for kind of a fun just a fun environment. And uh.

1139
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: But at the same time, Tom is totally wanting to

1140
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: partner with you. I mean I was asking him if

1141
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: I could hang a stand here or there, and he

1142
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 1: was like, yep, let's do it. I mean he every

1143
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 1: morning he'd say where you want to go, Clay, And

1144
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 1: I know the farm well now after two years of

1145
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 1: hunting it, and I say I want to go here,

1146
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 1: and he say, all right, let's do it. And a

1147
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: lot of mornings I'd wake up and say Tom, where

1148
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 1: do you think I should go? And man, you could

1149
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: see his brain, you know, just working, and he'd be like, man,

1150
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, we we saw this buck here, and this

1151
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 1: happened here, this, this, this, and we'd collaborate together and

1152
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: come to a decision. And I give full credit to

1153
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: Tom for sending me back to that soybean field. I

1154
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 1: wasn't going to go there well, I mean it wasn't

1155
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 1: even on the table. And Tom that morning said how

1156
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 1: about I take you all to the to the bean field?

1157
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 1: And when he said it, I liked it. Because I

1158
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 1: hadn't even thought of it. In every rational decision that

1159
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 1: we've made on this hunt for judging dear movement, it

1160
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 1: was pretty much wrong. So I was looking for ways

1161
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 1: to out, you know, skirt around my mind, you know,

1162
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 1: because you gather all this knowledge of what the deer

1163
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:55,479
Speaker 1: doing and you're trying to rationalize where to go hunt.

1164
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: And I was really looking for some outside influence of

1165
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 1: to do. And Tom pretty much was just he would

1166
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 1: have let me do whatever I wanted. And I was

1167
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 1: glad of the decision. I was fired up on that spot.

1168
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 1: I really was. Yeah, really I was when he said it.

1169
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 1: When he said it, I was like, yeah, let's go

1170
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 1: the bean field there. There's something about it just fit.

1171
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 1: Besides the board soy being on the field, tons of it,

1172
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:24,639
Speaker 1: just the bush. It's woods in Arkansas, but it's bush

1173
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: up there, the bush around it. They can get in

1174
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,759
Speaker 1: and out of that field and all the other places.

1175
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 1: They had a at least a quarter of it that

1176
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 1: wide opened into the nether field. This was closed in.

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01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 1: They could come from any direction, but the direction we

1178
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: walked in was only opening. And the one that the

1179
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 1: book went through the rest of it, they can come

1180
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 1: in and out and they don't have to get out

1181
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 1: in the field, you know, And that's what you think

1182
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 1: about the big bucks. They skirt the area like yours dead. Yeah,

1183
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: like they were doing when we've seen them. So when

1184
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:00,080
Speaker 1: I got that's what he was doing, right, don't just

1185
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 1: edge of feeling not out in it. So you had

1186
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 1: all that edge around and then you used to the

1187
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 1: benefit of that little nook that come out that worked

1188
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 1: absolutely perfect for you, where you made the blind where

1189
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 1: you kill the deer, perfect perfect. Hey. Also, you know,

1190
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 1: it's something to note to that in this big bean field,

1191
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 1: these deer were popping out and all these seemingly random locations,

1192
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 1: which we know they weren't random. That buck popped out

1193
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 1: in the only corner that you could not see from

1194
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 1: the main entrance to the field. Like if we'd have

1195
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 1: been sitting in the blind, we would have never seen that.

1196
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just a little just a little nook

1197
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: that you don't even know. It's they don't know the

1198
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 1: nooks thearty you're down there. Yeah, and then you realize

1199
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 1: there's about a fifty square yard area of this bean

1200
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 1: field that you cannot see that you'd have to get

1201
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 1: And that's exactly where that deer was. That's why they

1202
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 1: get that big. I guess he just knew he could

1203
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 1: feed there can he could stepped ten feet out in

1204
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: that field and get all the beans he wanted. Um.

1205
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 1: And the fact you don't have to be there that long.

1206
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: He can step out there, you know, like Tom was

1207
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 1: talking about today, it's it's not like they fill their

1208
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 1: belly up. They come out and have a snack basically. Yeah,

1209
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: how many beans could they gather up in an hour?

1210
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 1: And they're laying tons tons? Yeah. I was eating soybeans

1211
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 1: while I was laying there. James I did too. They

1212
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 1: were good. Yeah, Yeah, that was exciting. Well it was

1213
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 1: for you, well, thank you, thank you. Thank I was

1214
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 1: a betting man. I would have won on that one. Yeah,

1215
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 1: if anybody would have bet with me, nobody would be Well.

1216
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 1: I just knew that everything was just right that day.

1217
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 1: It just it was just right. It was so right

1218
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 1: that that's what made me think something might go wrong.

1219
01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 1: But it went right. It went just right. So we're

1220
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 1: driving home from Manitoba and we got three racks on

1221
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 1: the truck. I just posted on Instagram And we're coming

1222
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 1: out of Manitoba, dirty riding dirty. We got three bucks.

1223
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: We got meat in the O'Ryan cooler, and we're a

1224
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: couple of hours from home. And hey, thanks for listening

1225
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 1: to the Bear Hounty Magazine podcast. I don't know, we'll

1226
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:24,719
Speaker 1: see where the podcast goes from here. I'm still gonna

1227
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 1: do some hunting in Arkansas. James and I are talking

1228
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 1: about doing doing some hunting down on public land. Um

1229
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,679
Speaker 1: we're going to would we will? We have a supart

1230
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 1: episodes that. Hey, check out Bar Honey Magazine, our print magazine.

1231
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 1: We're the only print magazine bear hunting print magazine in

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01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:44,040
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Speaker 1: the last year. We've got about twenty eight thousand subscribers.

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Speaker 1: We've got some awesome videos up white Tail Hunt. My

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Speaker 1: white Tail Hunt about from Tom Tom's Places. Last year's

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Speaker 1: up on YouTube. But took got a YouTube channel. Check

1238
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 1: out our print magazine. And hey, keep the wild places

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Speaker 1: wild Beau. That's where the barrass grow and