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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, it's time for another edition of the Dave

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Speaker 1: Pash Podcast. I'm your host Dave Pash, long time ESPN

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Speaker 1: play by play announcer and voice of the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: You can also follow us on Twitter at Pash pod Well.

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Speaker 1: Today we get a national take on the Arizona Cardinals

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Speaker 1: and the upcoming NFL season as we sit down with

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Speaker 1: two members of the ESPN Monday Night Football crew. Longtime

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Speaker 1: SportsCenter anchor and play by play announcer Steve Levy and

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Speaker 1: also former NFL quarterback Brian Greasy, who won a National

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Speaker 1: championship when he played at Michigan also spent more than

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Speaker 1: a decade as a quarterback in the NFL, including winning

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl playing behind John Elway with the Denver Broncos.

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Speaker 1: Stephen Brian are going to talk about what it's like

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Speaker 1: to call Monday Night football games, also what it's like

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Speaker 1: working with Lewis Riddick, the third member of their booth.

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Speaker 1: They're going to discuss the games they're looking forward to

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Speaker 1: most in twenty twenty one, they'll talk Arizona Cardinals and

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Speaker 1: in particular their thoughts on Kyler Murray. So I worked

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Speaker 1: for four years with Greasy calling college football games. I

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Speaker 1: could not have been happier when he got the call

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Speaker 1: the promotion to do Monday Night Football, which certainly is

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Speaker 1: one of the premier jobs in all of sports broadcasting.

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Speaker 1: He Steve and Lewis had a tremendous year one under

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Speaker 1: very challenging circumstances in twenty twenty, and I looked very

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Speaker 1: much forward to their telecasts here in year two. So,

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Speaker 1: without further ado from ESPN's Monday Night Football, Steve Levy

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Speaker 1: and Brian Greasy, well, fellas, I appreciate you guys doing this,

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Speaker 1: first of all, and I'm not just saying this because

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Speaker 1: you're sitting here, because I believe I told you both

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Speaker 1: last year. You guys are awesome. I really enjoyed the

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Speaker 1: broadcast last year. I thought you two guys, and Lewis

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Speaker 1: and Lisa, considering especially everything going on in the world,

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Speaker 1: I got to imagine been very difficult testing every single game,

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Speaker 1: doing all the meetings via Zoom, which we were doing

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Speaker 1: for other sports as well. What was the biggest challenge

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Speaker 1: for you guys last year in year one, kind of

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Speaker 1: dealing with all the COVID protocols, not just for you guys,

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Speaker 1: but for the teams, the coaches and the players. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so there's, uh, it's complicated to unpack, right, there's so

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Speaker 1: all the attention that had been on the Monday night

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Speaker 1: and let's focus on the game. And you know, Greece

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Speaker 1: and I had worked together doing the college games together

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Speaker 1: Lewis and Lisa didn't really know how we were going

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Speaker 1: to fit in with that. And we couldn't hang out.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there was no time that we were allowed

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Speaker 1: of challenges. I was really fortunate that I wasn't starting

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Speaker 1: from scratch with Bryan too, like, you know, that might

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Speaker 1: have been too much, right, new producer, new director. Three

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Speaker 1: You know, after there's a touchdown, we need some people

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Speaker 1: People didn't care that we didn't hang out right. People

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Speaker 1: being judged by that. It was the season of no excuses.

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Speaker 1: So there was a lot going on. But I was

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Speaker 1: to fans because they weren't in the stands to do

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Speaker 1: a tape recorder myself. Well, I've always felt when people

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Speaker 1: asked me, you know, what are the keys to a

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Speaker 1: good broadcast? Chemistry is at the top of the list. Well,

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Speaker 1: how do you build chemistry? You spend time together. And

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Speaker 1: Levi you're in that group too. Or Cracker Barrel. We

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Speaker 1: had pregame at Cracker Barrel. See Steve doesn't eat before

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Speaker 1: But didn't stick out. But the time, because you've mentioned,

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Speaker 1: he was wondering where his invite is by the way, okay,

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Speaker 1: couldn't care less, but I did email him several months ago,

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Speaker 1: The key of that is no. So um, my experience

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Speaker 1: I call you lou kind of thing? Like no, he

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Speaker 1: and uh, one of the highlights of the season. This

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Speaker 1: that's what he does. See four years of it, so exactly,

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Speaker 1: do it. Hey, we're not making fun. Anyway, we wound

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Speaker 1: up doing it. Lewis got hysterical, one of the maybe

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Speaker 1: called Lewis, Right, nobody's calling you. So he was lou

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Speaker 1: for the rest of the year. So so it's but

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Speaker 1: it's moments like that. You can't fake the stuff. You can't.

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Speaker 1: It has to happen organically. We didn't have any preseason

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Speaker 1: But I think that he brought a different perspective, obviously

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Speaker 1: that was the guy he was at Texas. Kyler's dad

428
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,719
Speaker 1: went to an A and M obviously, so he couldn't,

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Speaker 1: you know, put a poster of him on the wall

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Speaker 1: all but but it was it was definitely a he

431
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Speaker 1: looked up to him. And now that he's in the room,

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00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,920
Speaker 1: he says, listen, that's Colt McCoy And he's in the

433
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Speaker 1: room and he's helping me, and he's listening to me,

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Speaker 1: asking me how I read things and how I do things,

435
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:18,480
Speaker 1: and he's giving me feedback on how other offensive coordinators

436
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Speaker 1: that he's been around have operated in the NFL, and

437
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 1: how how he's learned over time, and and he's a

438
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Speaker 1: buffer between Cliff at times and Kyler. And we know

439
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Speaker 1: that Kyler is not, you know, the most communicative quarterback

440
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 1: in the history of the game. UH. And I think

441
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,880
Speaker 1: there's an opportunity for Cole to impact his team both

442
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,160
Speaker 1: on and off the field in ways that I don't

443
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Speaker 1: think the average fan at home might see. And so um,

444
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,679
Speaker 1: but that is it is true. Kyler. I think uh

445
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Speaker 1: needs to grow. He needs to grow off the field.

446
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 1: He needs to grow mentally. UH, he needs to grow

447
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Speaker 1: from a leadership standpoint. And those are all things we

448
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 1: know and by the way, every young quarterback needs to

449
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Speaker 1: do that. So, um, I think sometimes we want a

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Speaker 1: microwave Kyler Murray into you know, a Patrick Holmes kind

451
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,159
Speaker 1: of player, because he is so talented and it is

452
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Speaker 1: so unique and we haven't seen anything like it. But

453
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Speaker 1: I think this is just a normal growing process. Now

454
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Speaker 1: there will come a time when you know, you either

455
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Speaker 1: put up a shut up, and we're approaching that time.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think we're there yet. He's not. He's

457
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Speaker 1: not stuck in the mud like we've all seen the process.

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Speaker 1: We saw him in college right, also in college, so

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Speaker 1: how he acted there. We've seen him in his three

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Speaker 1: years in the NFL too. He looks a year more

461
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Speaker 1: mature to me every time I see him. So he

462
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Speaker 1: is making the move. Is it going to be quick

463
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Speaker 1: enough to satisfy some people? Is it going to translate

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Speaker 1: to more victories on the field. We'll see. And uh,

465
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Speaker 1: the backup quarterback Colt McCoy think is really interesting to

466
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Speaker 1: me because you know, that's that's a great headline, right,

467
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 1: biggest free agent acquisition, and nobody's thinking Colton McCoy. But

468
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Speaker 1: maybe cult McCoy wins one of those two games late

469
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Speaker 1: in the season last year. Maybe you're in a better

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Speaker 1: spot actually on the field too. Yeah, there's no question

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Speaker 1: over Straveler, right of course. Yeah, so that's another reason

472
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Speaker 1: to backup quarterback extremely underrated position or around the league. Steve,

473
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Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier, and I agree that the NFC West

474
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Speaker 1: is the best division. I'm not saying that just because

475
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Speaker 1: the Cardinals announcer. I think it's the best division. I

476
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Speaker 1: don't think it's close. I think you've got four teams,

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Speaker 1: assuming San Francisco is healthy and Matthew Stafford is without

478
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Speaker 1: question an upgrade from Jared Goff. Now Seattle they always

479
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 1: seem to be there because of Russell Wilson. But you

480
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: have to wonder with this past offseason, are they growing

481
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Speaker 1: tired of one another? And maybe is this the year

482
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Speaker 1: that it just disbands. But as you look at the

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Speaker 1: NFC West, do you have a team and Brian, do

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Speaker 1: you have a team that you say that's the team

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Speaker 1: to beat or is it you know what, I could

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Speaker 1: see one of three or one of four teams winning

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Speaker 1: the division. I think the forty nine ers are the

488
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Speaker 1: most interesting team in the division. No team got beaten

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Speaker 1: up injury wise at the most critical positions that San

490
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Speaker 1: Francisco did a season ago, so we're going to see

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Speaker 1: how the quarterback position plays out. I am fascinated by

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, though they to be healthy coming

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Speaker 1: into into the season now. But you know, everybody was

494
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: wow on Trey Lance. But I think people are just

495
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 1: forgetting about Jimmy Garoppolo a little too quickly. And to me,

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Speaker 1: the best case scenario is Garoppolo gets them, you know,

497
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: five six weeks in seven weeks in keeps them in

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Speaker 1: the race, and then if they think Trey Lance is

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Speaker 1: ready to go. But I don't know if they're the

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Speaker 1: best team. That's probably for Brian to say. But I

501
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 1: think the forty nine Ers are among the most interesting

502
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Speaker 1: stories league wide. There'll be a fun team to watch.

503
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Speaker 1: I think anyone on the four teams could win the division.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if he would have said that

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Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, I guess everybody was hoping that Arizona

506
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Speaker 1: would be there at the end, but I don't know

507
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Speaker 1: that how many people have actually believed it. I believe

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Speaker 1: they could be there at the end. I watched this

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Speaker 1: team play San Francisco Week one last year and they

510
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: handled them. Now you watch the last two games, of

511
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 1: the year and the Rams hold this offense to seven points.

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Speaker 1: So I do think that that did Cardinals offensively are

513
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Speaker 1: going to have to continue to evolve and get better

514
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 1: because the de defensive coordinators in this conference, in this

515
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: division or now have a book on Kyler Murray and

516
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: they're not going to allow him to run around and

517
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Speaker 1: do all the things that he liked to do in college. Um,

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Speaker 1: So I think you're gonna have to continue to evolve.

519
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: But I think there's no question the Rams, in my

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Speaker 1: mind right now, with the addition of Matthew Stafford, are

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Speaker 1: the cream of the crop in in the division. Can

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Speaker 1: anybody see Seattle in the last place? I mean in

523
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Speaker 1: your head you can, right, but it would look weird

524
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Speaker 1: on paper right to see the standings see Seattle Seahawks

525
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 1: last place in that division. But could absolutely could happen.

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Speaker 1: You guys, did some Trevor Lawrence's games at Clemson. I've

527
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Speaker 1: done Trevor Lawrence's games, and Brian's probably gonna hate this,

528
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 1: but like what else, I don't even know what you say.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna hate it. He's happy, he has it all right,

530
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: he has it all he looks, but as a guy too,

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Speaker 1: not just as a player he made you know, Brian

532
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Speaker 1: Greasy man, I look like Trevor Lawrence, but Trevor Lawrence

533
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Speaker 1: by all the measurables a plus. Do you guys anyway,

534
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: this guy is not an absolute superstar in the NFL. Yeah, yeah,

535
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: there's always a way. I mean, JaMarcus Russell look like

536
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 1: an unbelievable player, right, I mean Ryan Leaf. I mean

537
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 1: there's there's been a lot of them. I'm not I'm

538
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: not saying that this kid is gonna be that, but

539
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: there are no slam dunks when you come to quarterbacks

540
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 1: making a transition from college to the NFL. And uh,

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Speaker 1: I love what Trevor Lawrence brings to the table. Um.

542
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: I think it's like, just like Kyler is unique, this

543
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: kid's unique. We have never seen a guy that tall

544
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: with that kind of speed, right. I mean you maybe

545
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: you talk about Josh Allen being the only real comparison,

546
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 1: but listen, I've reserved judgment until I see a guy

547
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Speaker 1: get hit in the mouth repeatedly. And he's gonna be

548
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Speaker 1: on a team that's not gonna be as good from

549
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Speaker 1: a talent standpoint. He's gonna get knocked down in the

550
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 1: dirt time after time after time, and can he answer

551
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: that bell? Can he do what Peyton did? Okay in

552
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 1: his first year at the Indianapolis Colts and they were

553
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: god off and he threw more interceptions and any quarterback

554
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Speaker 1: in the history of the game. Could he have that

555
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: kind of a season and come back because it's not

556
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 1: gonna go you know, all Roses and Champagne in Jacksonville.

557
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: I want to see after that first year, how does

558
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,239
Speaker 1: he come back in year two? But he has all

559
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: the talent, no question, there's some Kyler's stuff there for

560
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: me too, right, and obviously not the size and the

561
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: way they play the game, but having no track record

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00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: of losing, right, I mean, you know, I mean Trevor

563
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: Lawrence in college, they're just killing everybody, right, there's no

564
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: adversity for him, And I had that one stretch early

565
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: on through a couple of interceptions. They clicked dabble, cleaned

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Speaker 1: that up and they went on from there. So, yes,

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00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: how does he do when things will not go well

568
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: and they could be a last place team in that division?

569
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Speaker 1: You know, I know they've improved some of the talent

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00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: around him or Houston's in that division, so they'll probably

571
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Speaker 1: be second second. I sort of forgot about the Texas there.

572
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 1: They've sort of dropped off the map a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, and I don't know Coach Cully's putting together,

574
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Speaker 1: but he feel like I feel like Trevor. If anyone

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Speaker 1: has been groomed to be the man, Trevor Lawrence has

576
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 1: been that guy for a long time on everybody's radar,

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Speaker 1: you know, since coming out of the womb. Lucan Bill's

578
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: talking about him ten years ago exactly. And so let's

579
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: see how they do coming out. But at least there's

580
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,959
Speaker 1: some buzz that's good for the league. Right, Let's get

581
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: Jack you know, we're talking about Euston falling off the page.

582
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: Let's get Jacksonville back on the NFL map. Give him

583
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 1: a little buzz leaves before you were doing Monday Night

584
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Speaker 1: Football in addition to your college football played by play duties.

585
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: You're doing Monday Night Countdown. Obviously you're still doing Sports Center.

586
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: You've been doing Sports Center forever. So I assume you've

587
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: known Tom Brady over the last couple of decades. Brian

588
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: obviously played with Tom. It tells you how old Brady is.

589
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: He played with Greasy, who played more than a decade

590
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Speaker 1: in the NFL. Brian's been broadcasting now for what thirteen

591
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: fourteen years? And Tom's still playing? How long do you

592
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: think this is gonna go? Because Brady wants to play

593
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: till he dies? So how long is this was just

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00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: forty five? Now it's till he dies? Isn't he forty five?

595
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 1: Right now? It's two years younger than me. That's how

596
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: I keep tracking. Listen, you know who's gonna doubt Tom Brady? Um?

597
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think there's any Super Bowl hangover

598
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: in Tampa, not with him. I don't think he'll allow that.

599
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: I think he's figured it out. I think I think

600
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,479
Speaker 1: he's got a master plan that is better than everyone else's.

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00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: And obviously that speaks to his talent, but I think

602
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: the mental aspect, I think he knows how to lead.

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00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: I think he's proven that. You talk about, you know,

604
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: going through some adversity early on in the season, right,

605
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: they didn't look great coming on in the beginning of

606
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: the season, and we were there and there's a point like,

607
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: you know, I can't throw the deep ball anymore? Remember that, right,

608
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: twenty five consecutive pass attempts of twenty or more yards

609
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: without a completion or whatever like that. So you were

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00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: throwing dirt on Drew Brees and Tom Brady in the

611
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: first quarter of last year, remember, at the same time.

612
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Speaker 1: So uh yeah, I think he can do it for

613
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Speaker 1: as long as he wants. And he rounded by the

614
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: right cast on the field and the correct head coach,

615
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: which wasn't Bill Belichick, which is Brusarians. I think. Let

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00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: me ask you this question, if if you felt good

617
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: and you could still do your job broadcasting, and you

618
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: were around a great team, why the heck would you

619
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: give it up? You know? So's Tom. I guarantee this.

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00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: Tom's not even thinking about retirement. Is he the same

621
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Speaker 1: guy like when you talked to him now Greece? Is

622
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: he the same as he was in college? When I

623
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: say that, obviously we all grow and mature, but generally speaking, yeah,

624
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: he's the same guy. No, he is the same guy.

625
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Speaker 1: He was raised his parents. Um, I got to know

626
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: them a little bit in college. They are wonderful people,

627
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: and they grounded him. He had four old He has

628
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: four older sisters. Who you know, any boy who grows

629
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: up with four older sisters, you're gonna have, um some

630
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: some tough days and nights. You know, but I think

631
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: that he uh, he was raised the right way and

632
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: he's got values. Listen, there's been so many, you know,

633
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: stories and articles written about Tom Brady. I'm not telling

634
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: anything you don't know, but he is the same guy.

635
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: He's genuine, He cares about his friends and the people

636
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: that are in his inner circle, and he has an

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00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: ability to compartmentalize and really loves is passionate about the game.

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00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: More so, we talked with players every week. Rarely do

639
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: you find a player as passionate about the process and

640
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: playing football as you do Tom Brady. And that's why

641
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: he's doing what he's doing. He is willing to sacrifice

642
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: more than the guy he's playing against. And if you

643
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: want to boil it all down, like, that's why Tom

644
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: Brady is who he is. And it is the football, right.

645
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: He still loves the game like they don't need the money, right,

646
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not about the cash, it's not about

647
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: the glory. He's already the goat. We all know people

648
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: will be chasing him forever, so he must still love

649
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: the game and the competition. You think that would wane

650
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: on some people, not on him. I remember being in

651
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: the bubble for the NBA a year ago or two

652
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: whenever it was. It feels like thirty years ago. But

653
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: I remember being in the bubble a year ago and

654
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: Mark Jackson, who is you know, the top ESPN NBA

655
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: analyst long with Jeff Van Gundy. Mark is a Brady fan,

656
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: so he became a Buccaneers fan when Tom left New

657
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: England and went to Tampa. And I'm sitting there having

658
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: a meal with Mark and Jeff and Breen and some

659
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: of the other people down in the bubble, and we're

660
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: talking about Bruce Arians and I said, you watch, it'll

661
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: be at the most. Week three will be the latest,

662
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: and BA will throw him under the bus to the

663
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: media and it will work. Yeah, And they're like, no way,

664
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: he's not going to do that. To Bray said no,

665
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: he will, and it will work a week two I

666
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: think it was week one after they lost multiple games

667
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: last year publicly whoa Nobody talks about Tom like that.

668
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: But it worked perfect. When we do games for people

669
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: that are listening to don't know the mechanics of the

670
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: week leading up to a game of people think you'd

671
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: just show up, put the headset on, do the game,

672
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: and that's it and you go home. That's a big

673
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: part of it. But part of the preparation is having

674
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: a meeting with the There are some people that just

675
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: do you know, we're not going to talk about him

676
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: and save their names, just name Water one guy's initials

677
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: or b W work with on basketball Dot kidding. He

678
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: actually does prep, but he does prep for things that

679
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: Bill Walton we're talking about that have nothing to do

680
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: with the game. They have to do with the city

681
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: or you know, he calls Pullman, Washington the realm of

682
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: the Northwest. You know, seven hills versus four hills. Yeah.

683
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: So one of the things we do is we sit

684
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: down with coaches and talk about the game, talk about

685
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: scheme strategy, talk about player evaluation. What are your production

686
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: meetings like? With Bruce Arians, a lot of swearing, And

687
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: that's been one of the really cool things for me,

688
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: Dave being in the NFL, right, exposing yourself to professional

689
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: coaches and Arians is right up there with my favorite

690
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: Zoom of all the heads. He's like a regular guy

691
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: off the street in a lot of ways. Right, if

692
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: I could have a beer with one guy, one head coach,

693
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: I always had wanted to be ba of the current

694
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: head coaches. I feel like he would have it with you.

695
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: But when I texted him after they won the Super Bowl,

696
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: the text I got back was the cocktail emoji. And

697
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: then I texted him like a week later about something else,

698
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: two cocktail emojis. He upped. Cool. That makes him regular guy, right,

699
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: that makes him the common man. That's what everybody does

700
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: or should be doing after celebration or after a hard

701
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: day's work. Um, I really respected Listen. I can get

702
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: you know. I try not to get hung up on

703
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: the xs and os, on these things like frees and

704
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: Lewis ridd a candle. That stuff's wig over my head.

705
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: I try to pick up, you know, maybe one thing

706
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: a week. H And I'm interested in some of the

707
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: other things. And that's sort of you know, some of

708
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: the fields and how you treat people and coach, how

709
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: you coach players, and your philosophies on certain things, and

710
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: so arians is one of the guys I really enjoyed

711
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: talking to. All Right, I promised it would be thirty minutes.

712
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: It's thirty five, but I got a couple more or

713
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: gift certificate or something. Oh yeah, yeah, we've got dinneral

714
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 1: end up. I guess I'm paying for it. Now, um,

715
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: two more things for you, Steve. I don't know do

716
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: you have any idiosyncrasies that Greasy has made you aware

717
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: of in terms of what you do when you call

718
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: the game? Because he made me so self conscious working

719
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: with him for four years. He claims, yeah, And I

720
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 1: have not had another analyst confirmed this. Although we're gonna

721
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: get Wolflee, We're gonna get Jim Almahndro, the producer who

722
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: has been my producer for the Cardinals now for twenty years.

723
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: He says that it's true, but I have a hard

724
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: time believing that it's true that when I make a call,

725
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: I push away from the table. I throw myself back

726
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: every play. No, no, big do you have because he

727
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: does all these voice things. He's projecting his voice and

728
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: does these voice warm ups and all these things and

729
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: the diaphragm and all this kind of stuff. Todd Christensen,

730
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: My one of my first college fool part is he

731
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 1: would belt out the national anthem during the actual anthem,

732
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: and I mean belt it out, scream it out, and

733
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: he did that for his vocal cord. What do you

734
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 1: do exactly? He's making this up. I've never done anything

735
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 1: that I don't think. I don't think I have anything again,

736
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to figure out this whole play by

737
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: play guy thing. As you know, I'm really a studio guy.

738
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: Hey man, you've been doing play by play between NHL. Yeah,

739
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: two stints of college football by football for twenty five years.

740
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: So when people say leave, he's a studio gay sports

741
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: o a guy. Just so you know everybody, No, he's

742
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: not doing play by play for twenty five years. Thank

743
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: you for that. I don't think. Listen when I get

744
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: to the booth. I like to have a hot cup

745
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: of black coffee, and in our four years to college,

746
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: God help you if it's not hot, like you would think.

747
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: I was asking for something outlanders, like a quarter cup

748
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: of splendor. I just wanted the black coffee to be hot.

749
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: Is that a lot to ask? And it became a

750
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: thing every week, and I thought they were doing it

751
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: to me on purpose. Now you know, lukewarm or it

752
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: would be hot, it would be a quarter of the

753
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 1: cup full. You know, no top bot it. So it

754
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: became a thing. But same with soup, by the way,

755
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: you know the soup has to be piping. I'm a

756
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: temperature guy. Cold food should be cold hot. Do you

757
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: tell me Grease, do I have something other than the

758
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: coffee and the soup. I'm just saying I don't think

759
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: I have any traditions. I don't you know. I don't

760
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: put my jacket on one way. The headset could go

761
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: either way. On the microphone, I like my space in

762
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: the booth. Yeah, he doesn't want he doesn't like to

763
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 1: be touched. I don't like to be touched or people

764
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: tapping you on the shoulder. I'm trying to do the

765
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 1: game over here. We did have the line of demarcation

766
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: Ben Boma or an executive spotter he would put used

767
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: to put We used to put tape down in between us,

768
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: and I did not want Greasy crossing over. My charts

769
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: are really big, and they're a mess, and I need

770
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: my space and Grease he's not looking down right, he's

771
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: watching the field right, He's doing the football. I need,

772
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: I need the other stuff. So but I don't think

773
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 1: I have a push off. I don't think I'm paid

774
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: enough to do this job next to the Do you

775
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: know how lucky you already had the two of us consecutively.

776
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: The charts are important, like the spotting broadcast boards, like

777
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: when I worked with Macroyd always always asked him, if

778
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: I left my bag in the car, did you lock

779
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: the car? My boards are in there. I feel like

780
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: I don't care about the computer. I don't that can

781
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: all be replaced. The game board cannot be replaced a

782
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: whole week with your life, right, and if it's gone, listen,

783
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what your memories like, but I'm not

784
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: remembering any of that stuff. So I'm just glad he

785
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: stopped writing so much stuff on his board. I mean,

786
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: if you look at his board two or three years ago,

787
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: I mean, there wasn't a centimeter of white space on

788
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 1: the board, every piece of it. And then and then

789
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: you get to the end of the game, you feel

790
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: like you feel bad because you put all this stuff

791
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: on your board and you didn't get it in. Um.

792
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: So he's he's I mean, listen, I think the thing

793
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: that makes our duo work is we don't bring the

794
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 1: ego into the booth, right. We're there to call the game,

795
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: and we have a respect for each other, and we

796
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: bring different opinions and ways of broadcasting a game and

797
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: what we find interesting. And I told him, which is great.

798
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: He never hesitates to ask me a question about anything,

799
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: because if if he has the question, then the fan

800
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: at home has the question too, And and Steve brings

801
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 1: a joviality to the booth that is, you know, second

802
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: to nine, and it lightens things up and has a

803
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 1: great way about him. So I'll get over the line

804
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: of demarcation and the touching and the hot coffee and

805
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: the hot soup. As I said, you guys are awesome

806
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: last year, and I'm looking forward to year two of

807
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: hopefully a ton for you guys together. The guy that

808
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 1: I think of that had the strangest other than Bill

809
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: Walden idiosyncrasies working with and Steve. You may have worked

810
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: with him, I can't remember. It was Chris Spielman. Chris would,

811
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: first of all, he'd have Kleenex stuck to like under

812
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: his nose where he blues nose. He'd come into the

813
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: boot purpose he'd take it. So I worked with Chris

814
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 1: and Brian's dad. So I've worked with Brian. I worked

815
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: with Brian's dad, Bob for two years. And I did

816
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: a game with Brian and Bob. The only game what year?

817
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: That was two thousand and nine. It was at Purdue, Yeah,

818
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: at Perdue like Minnesota Purdue, and I reached out and

819
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: I said, hey, I'd love to do a game with

820
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: my dad. Knew my dad was going to retire, and

821
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: so we did a game at Purdue, my dad's alma mater,

822
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: and uh, and Dave was the lucky one that was

823
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: stuck in between dad and his and his son and uh,

824
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: it was awesome. I still have the photograph. We went

825
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: down on the field before the game and did a

826
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: Sports Center hit before on the field. Really cool, it was,

827
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: really But but Spielman was a mess. Yeah, that's true.

828
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: Did did the picture? Was I in the picture? And

829
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: so did? I? Adhere and proof of it. We went

830
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: to some restaurant and apparently it was. It was a bar,

831
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: and there was an apartment right above the bar. And

832
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: that's where Kyle Orton lived. Yeah. The chocolate shop is

833
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: the chocolate shop in West Lafayette. I have heard of

834
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: that place. They call it the chocolate Shop. It's really

835
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: a bar. But you know, when you call home to moms,

836
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: she asked where you are you at the chocolate shop?

837
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 1: The Library college bar? Yeah? Yeah, um, but yeah, Spielman

838
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: would take his but your dad, Bob Greasy would always

839
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: just he laughed, he couldn't stop laughing, like Spielman would

840
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: be dragging his suitcase and the coat would be stuck

841
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 1: under the suitcase and just dragging on the ground. He

842
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: coming to the he throw his coat. You know you

843
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: they have hangers for us, and then you hang up

844
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: your coat. He'd take it and throw in the corner.

845
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: He'd be. You'd hear during production meetings you start to

846
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: hear this rustling in his pockets. And he'd have candy

847
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: bars and he and when he eats food, he and

848
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: golfs it. One year it was me Chris and Urban Meyern.

849
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 1: Urban nicknamed him the addict, cos there goes the addict

850
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: every thirty seven seconds, something's going in. Listen. You know

851
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: you're how close I came to that Spielman experience. So

852
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: I get back in the college game, I guess five

853
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: years ago, whatever it six years ago, and I'm told

854
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: Chris Spielman's my partner for college football, and I mean

855
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: the next day, Mark Rose calls me Spielman's out. I'm like,

856
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: I didn't do anything like it's one day. You know,

857
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: I've already googled him, I've researched, and now, okay is

858
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: my next partner. And I was told, well, who am

859
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: I getting We'll get well, we'll give you a greasy

860
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, do you have to say it like that? Wait,

861
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: Greasey's getting promoted that high up though? That was quick.

862
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: Look at how much you avoided a Spielman dip spit

863
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: on your boards. Oh yeah, boards were finished, They had

864
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: no shot. Those lines of demarcation would never have been

865
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: placed in. All right. The last thing, because I have

866
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: to ask you this, grease and Steve, maybe you have

867
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 1: a memory. You may have been doing Monday inn accountwn.

868
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: You may have actually been here for the Monday Night

869
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: meltdown in two thousand and six Bears Cardinals Brian was

870
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: the backup quarterback to Rex Grossman and the Arizona Cardinals

871
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 1: are doing something called cards folk Tales, telling stories from

872
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: some of the great moments in Cardinals history, going back

873
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl year Pat Tillman a lot of

874
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 1: different things, and one of them is the Monday Night meltdown,

875
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: not just the game, but the post game, because that's

876
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: when Denny Green did the whole thing of the Bears.

877
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: Who thought yes from your perspective, because I've told the

878
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,919
Speaker 1: story when they interviewed me and talking about the game,

879
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: I told the story, but I want you to tell

880
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: the story of what it was like at halftime when

881
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: you guys are down and did you think you were

882
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: going in the game. Oh yes, I was, like I mean,

883
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: I was ready to go on the game. Just so

884
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: to refresh people's memory. This was Rex Grossman was the

885
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: quarterback for the Bears, and we had ultimately end up

886
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: going to the Super Bowl that year. We had an

887
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 1: unbelievable defense, top two or three defense in the NFL,

888
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: and we had Devin Hester and and so that was

889
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: we All we had to do on offense was just

890
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: not mess it up and get out of the way. Um.

891
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: And Rex had a a an awful game. UM, and

892
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: I think that I think that what was the score

893
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: at halftime? We were down at least at least three touchdowns.

894
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: That's what I that I remember. And I was Matt,

895
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: by the way, was starting a quarterback. Kurt Warner was

896
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: the backup rup day anyway, and I'm and I'm thinking

897
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: to myself at halftime, like like this is this has

898
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: got to be it. And you know, Lovey Smith was

899
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: our was our coach, and he had a commitment to Rex,

900
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: and I think what he said at halftime he said, listen,

901
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: you know, get ready if if things don't work in

902
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: the first drive, you're going to go in and um.

903
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: And so I'm just thinking, there's no way that we

904
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 1: can come back in this game if if we don't

905
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: score at least twenty eight points, you think on offense

906
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: and our defense holds them to one touchdown. But the

907
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: way that the game ended up being decided is we

908
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: didn't score an offensive touchdown and we still came back

909
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: and won the game, which is just like defensive scores.

910
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: Devin Hester, I mean, and and Denny Green was right

911
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: after the game to say the Bears are who he

912
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: thought they were. He thought they were good defense, great

913
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: special teams, and the offense couldn't get out of the way.

914
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: And that's who that's who we were, that's who we

915
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: ended up being. And um, but that is still to

916
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: this day the most unbelievable crazy game that I've ever

917
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: been a part of playing or calling a game up.

918
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: To think that we would come back without scoring, you know,

919
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: on offense and win that game, it just mean if

920
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: I was a Cardinals fan, I would I would be

921
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: pulling my hair out. It was twenty nothing at halftime.

922
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: It was twenty three to ten going into the fourth quarter,

923
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: Edrin James fumble Charles Tillman returns at forty yards for

924
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: a touchdown, and then two minutes later Scott Player punt

925
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: returned Devin Hester eighty three yards Devin Hester for a

926
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: touchdown twenty four twenty three. That sounds like twenty eight

927
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: three in the Super Bowl, right, the Patriots coming back

928
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: against you know, the Falcons. In that kind of game,

929
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: you just need everything. I mean, that's even worse. And

930
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: that was I think late third quarter at twenty eight

931
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: to three. So I was not here for that, but

932
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: Brian has has told me that story multiple times. I

933
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: think every time we walk around on the field down here,

934
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: oh that night, that's great comeback. So it's a good

935
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: story for sure. I don't know why Cardinal fans will

936
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: want to relive that. I know it was awful. I

937
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: remember I think that was Mike. I think it was

938
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: a first year ESPN had Monday Night Football and it

939
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,240
Speaker 1: was Mike Tariko. But we can't end on that story.

940
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: One of my positive stories about coming here was after

941
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: September eleventh, two thousand and one. The first game that

942
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: we played after nine eleven was was here in Arizona

943
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: and to see the fans in the stands and Pat

944
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 1: Tillman was still on the team at the time, obviously,

945
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: and so that that memory is also seared, uh into

946
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: my memory banks about being being here and the other

947
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: one about Arizona. While I'm dumping them all out. We

948
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: were supposed to play I was playing with the Dolphins,

949
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 1: were playing the Chargers on a Monday, on a Monday.

950
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: It wasn't a Monday, it was a Sunday game that

951
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 1: was canceled due to fires UH in San Diego, and

952
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: so we went to Tempe UH to play the Chargers

953
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: it turned out being a Monday night game and that

954
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 1: the stands were open. You guys, remember this is stands

955
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: were open to all the ASU UH students and that's

956
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: still to this day was probably one of the most

957
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 1: raucous and rowdy fan bases because as you can imagine,

958
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 1: all those college students coming straight from the UH fraternity

959
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: house without having to pay to get in. I think

960
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: all the tickets were free if I recorded correctly. Yeah,

961
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: like anybody could go. So, yeah, it was. It was

962
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: pretty crazy. Did Tillman light you up in that game,

963
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: by the way, Uh? Probably, Yeah, yes, sure, a good chair.

964
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: Yeah he was, man, just a canned answer. Yes, that's

965
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: when I asked you if something me he was? He was.

966
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: He was unbelievable. He was. You know, even before he

967
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: gave up football and went into the military, he was

968
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: so well respected across the league, not only from his

969
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: team but from opponents. And so you just knew about

970
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 1: Pat Tillman. Everybody knew his story. And then when he

971
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,919
Speaker 1: did what he did, obviously it just went to another level.

972
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: Go eat lunch. Thanks guys for doing this. Really appreciate

973
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: you both. And yeah, man, let's speaking of lunch, you know,

974
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: continue to get your free lunch or doing these podcasts

975
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: from the Cardinals. That's that's awesome. Let's do this every day.

976
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: What are you doing tomorrow? It's fine by me. I

977
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: gotta record like fifty of these, So all right, tellas,

978
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: thank you, Yeah man, have a good season. Good luck

979
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: to the Cardinals in the playoffs. Pretty strong takes from

980
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: Greasy and leaving on Kyler Murray, the Cardinals and the

981
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: NFC West. Can't wait to watch my friends called Monday

982
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: night football games again this season. Also, how about the

983
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: perspective that Greasy had on the Monday night meltdown. Just think,

984
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: if the Cardinals beat the Bears in two thousand and six,

985
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 1: Greasy probably replaces Rex Grossman and maybe leads the Bears

986
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: beyond what they accomplished that year. And remember they went

987
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl that year, losing to Peyton Manning

988
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: and the Colts. Instead, Greasy stayed the backup thanks to

989
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 1: the bears miraculous comeback. That'll do it for today's edition

990
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: of the Dave Pash Podcast. You can follow us on

991
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: Twitter at Pash Pod to get the latest on upcoming

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994
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: of Fame quarterback Kurt Warner, Pro Bowl safety Buddha Baker,

995
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