1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Warning. Today's episode contains spoilers for the new Vince Gilligan 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: sci fi show on Apple TV, plus Pluribus episodes one 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: and two. 4 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: You won't Hello. 5 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 3: My name is Jason Kntepsion. 6 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 4: Hello, I'm Rosy night, and welcome back to. 7 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: Extra Vision of the podcast where we dive you but to 8 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: your favorite shows, movies, comics of pop culture. 9 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 3: Coming to you from My Heart Podcast. We'll bring you 10 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 3: three episodes a weeks listeners. 11 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 4: In today's episode, we talked about it with former Rolling 12 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 4: Stone critic Alan Sepenwall. We tease that a little bit, 13 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 4: but now we're able to dig fully into the absolutely 14 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 4: wild Pluribus episodes one and two on Apple TV. Now, guys, 15 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 4: just before we jump into that super crazy, unexpected pilot, 16 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 4: a quick production this holiday season, we are going to 17 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 4: be sharing some short stocking stuff for episodes with you. 18 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 4: With so many great shows and movies coming out these 19 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 4: next few months, these episodes will help us cover some 20 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,839 Speaker 4: extra content we wouldn't usually be able to get onto 21 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 4: on our normal episodes, So stay tuned for our stocking 22 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 4: stuff as starting the week of Thanksgiving. 23 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: But first, Glory of bus I'm one too. The pilot 24 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: opens with a counter showing that it is some four 25 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty plus days before the beginning of the 26 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: actual show, so over a year before the events that 27 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: we will see. Scientists discover that there's a message that's 28 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: been beamed in the direction of Earth, and it's been 29 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: going for an unknown amount of time. It's coming from 30 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: six hundred light years away, and it certainly seems intelligent 31 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: in origin, and everybody's very interested in this. When they 32 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: discover it, one thing leads to another. It turns out 33 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: that this message is divided into four parts, and each part, 34 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:16,399 Speaker 1: a guy figures out, is a representative of one of 35 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 1: the protein ingredients for DNA, So it turns out to 36 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: be a recipe for like an RNA strand, a strand 37 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: of protein. Fast forward about a year later after this, 38 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: but approximately fifty days or something like that before the 39 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: events of the show. Military doctors at the United States 40 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: Army Military Research Intelligence Division, I think that's correct, you, 41 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: sam Rid, which I know about because of Stephen King's 42 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: the stand have succeeded in creating this recipe which infectious 43 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: diseases to get United States Army Military Research infectious diseases 44 00:02:55,080 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: something and thank you. Ian super producer ian. So they 45 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: make this protein, which is. 46 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 3: That a good idea? 47 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: But they make it. 48 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 4: I feel like it's not a good idea, Like, let's 49 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 4: be real happen. 50 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, they would definitely make it, and they're trying to 51 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: be I guess as safe as possible. They're making it. 52 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: They've been trying it out on animals, but they don't 53 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: see like any. 54 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 3: Effects at all. Like you. 55 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: They're injecting into different species, but nothing's happening. And they 56 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: have this big bank of like rats, and there's these 57 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: two doctors in there doing the day's tasks with you know, 58 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: injecting this protein and seeing what happens. And they notice 59 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: that one of the rats is dead, and so they 60 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: take it out and they're looking at it and it's 61 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: like the heart is pumping really strong, but it's just 62 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: like stunned. And this doctor takes off their gloves so 63 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: they can feel the pulse of the rat, which I 64 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: feel like, there's got to be a better way to 65 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: do it. But whatever, take off the gloves, I fail. 66 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: Never take off the glove. The rat bites the person 67 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: and the virus has entered the human population. This doctor 68 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: quickly goes about infecting the doctor that she is in 69 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: the lab with and infecting, and they both go about 70 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: infecting people throughout the facility, and very very quickly the 71 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: facility falls like within a night or so easily easily, 72 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: and all the people who have been infected are now 73 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: like working together part of a hive mind, we will discover, 74 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: so sharing a kind of consciousness, and they begin working 75 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: together happily to like box up the samples of this 76 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: protein and begin mailing it to different labs across the 77 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: military labs we will later find out an episode two, 78 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: and also like licking the doughnuts down in the lobby 79 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: so that everybody who comes in and you know, including 80 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: people who were at work today, will eventually become infected. 81 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: And as this is going on, we meet author Carol 82 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: Stirka in the midst of a book tour. She's kind 83 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: of like like a down market Diana Galbadon. 84 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say, it's it's big like Apple 85 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 4: book energy kind of. 86 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 3: But not the top shelf. 87 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 4: As no, no, no, this is this is the low 88 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 4: If you sold out a fourth wing, this is what 89 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 4: you pick up next. 90 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: Right, she is like below Diana Galbadon below Sarah J. 91 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 4: Moss. Oh, definitely she's like, you know, like thirtieth on 92 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 4: the Chops. 93 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, So. 94 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: Carol's fans are very ardent, and they're mostly like these 95 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: kind of you know, like white, very romance centric white ladies, 96 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: with a few like very very very dedicated like nerds. 97 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: And Carol's feelings about her work are clearly very complex. 98 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: She doesn't think it's very artful or very like authentic 99 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: to who she is as a creator, as an artist, 100 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: but you know, it's work, and she's successful, and she's 101 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: in a relationship with her manager, Helen, who is on 102 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: tour with her, but also she is keeping that part 103 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: of her life like deeply under wraps in order to 104 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: keep selling books. Like the main romance in the books 105 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: is it's a very it's a hetero romance with this 106 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: kind of sexy figure known as Rabond. All these white 107 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: women Rabon who all these ladies like love RoboN. But 108 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: we're going to find out that originally Carol wanted Rabond 109 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: to be a woman because that would be again more 110 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: authentic to her, but then she decided not to and 111 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: she feels like she's sold. 112 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 3: Out because of this. 113 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: About a week later, Carolyn Helen are returning from tour, 114 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: Helen clearly has many dwi's on her record. Because she 115 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: needs a breathalyzer to start her car. They stop at 116 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: a bar. 117 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 4: I had no idea this was the thing. 118 00:06:58,279 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: By the way, until the show, it is a thing. 119 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: It's a real thing. I like, it's a real thing. 120 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: So they stop at a bar. They're discussing Carol's career, 121 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: which again she's kind of like dissatisfied with. They notice 122 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: outside that there's these planes flying overhead in perfect like 123 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: parallel lines. Probably I'm guessing military planes that are dropping 124 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: the virus like in aerosol form, like from the air, 125 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: And very soon everybody begins falling sick, just like everybody 126 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: in the Samurid facility. 127 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 3: They like go into. 128 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: This convulsion and then they come out as part of 129 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: the hot mind. Helen, when she's becoming infected, falls and 130 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: hits her head like really hard. She eventually dies of 131 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: brain bleed. Carol is like trying to get her to 132 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: the hospital, and every time she's trying to get to 133 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: it's like a problem, one problem after another. She can't 134 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: start the car because the breathalyser. She has to take 135 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: another guy's car. She struggles Helen into the pickup truck. 136 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: She gets there at the hospital, everybody's infected. A doctor 137 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: tries to infect her by kissing her and very clearly 138 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: doesn't work. Carol eventually ends up back home and has 139 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: to leave Helen's body outside, and she turns on the 140 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: TV is relieved to see a government emergency broadcast hosted 141 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: by a guy who turns out as the under Secretary 142 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: of Agriculture, like fifteenth down the bay whatever everyone else 143 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: is somewhere else. 144 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 4: As soon as I saw that, I was like, it's 145 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 4: giving you know, designated leader or whatever that. 146 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: So she's Carol is relieved that the government appears to 147 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: be going, but then she's disturbed when she notices like 148 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: all the graphics on the screen are addressing her by name, 149 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: Like Caroll just calls everything that's gonna be okay. 150 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 3: She calls the number. 151 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,599 Speaker 1: This guy, his name is Davis Tafler, the Undersecretary of 152 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: agg and he addresses her like in the broadcast, addresses 153 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: her phone call like he's listening to her, and he's like, listen, 154 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: sorry about everything that's happening, So sorry about Helen, Sorry about. 155 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 3: Everybody that's died. 156 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: Long story short, like this alien broadcast, you know, was 157 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: a recipe for a virus, and we're all infected with 158 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: the virus and now we're very happy because we're all 159 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: like this unified hive mind. And by the way, anything 160 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: you need like food, medicine, whatever, Like we want this 161 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: to be as comfortable and peacefullow transition transition for you 162 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: as possible, Like don't whatever you want to do, you 163 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: can do, but like we suggest you don't wander around 164 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: too much because we're cleaning up all the dead bodies. 165 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 4: In the streets. 166 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: And we're so sorry about this, but like everything's gonna 167 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: be fine after this, peace on Earth, the whole thing. 168 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 3: And where's the president. 169 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: The president unfortunately passed away during the transition, along with 170 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: many other high ranking members of your government. But you 171 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 1: are immune for some reason. We're studying it, and there's 172 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: twelve other people that are immune just like you, and 173 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: we're going to figure that out. 174 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 3: Okay. 175 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: And Carol like flips out and hangs up, as Davis 176 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:02,239 Speaker 1: is like on the TV being like Carol. 177 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 4: Carol'll pick up. 178 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: We just want to talk to you, Carroll pick up. 179 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: That is a pilot. 180 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 4: I wassilarly Bunker's pilot so well, mockted. I've had so 181 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 4: many messages about this pilot. 182 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: Quite intriguing. My wife, who's not a sci fi person, 183 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: was into it. Let's go to a quick break. We'll 184 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 1: come back recap episode two and then talk about our 185 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: thoughts about this show so much. Pluribus Episode two, The 186 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: Hive and the Body. We open in Tangiers, over in 187 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: the North Africa, and you know, it's the same issue everywhere, 188 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: not going great. You know, stuff's on fire, but the 189 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: Hive Mind people are putting you know, putting out the 190 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: fires and collecting the dead bodies, of which there are 191 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: a lot. We see this woman who we will eventually 192 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: learned his named Zosia, although does that really matter in 193 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: this time when they all have the High Mind. 194 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 3: Is helping clear corpses. 195 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: And then she hops on a plane to go to Albuquerque, 196 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: where Vince Gillian loves to set all his shows, and 197 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: she goes basically to meet Carol. Carol is at home 198 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: in New Mexico, and she's like burying Helen, trying to bury, 199 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: digging grave, trying to bury Helen in the backyard. Very 200 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: earth is very hard. It's a very difficult go of it. 201 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: And in the middle of all this, Zosha appears cleaned up, 202 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: you know, she having taken a shower at the airport, 203 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: basically saying, hey, I'm from the Hive Mind. How are 204 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: you and do you need any water? We're worried about 205 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: your about your hydration. I am every medical doctor on earth, 206 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: and I can look at you and I can tell 207 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: you're dehydrated. 208 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 3: Also, you've been watching. 209 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: You from a from a reaper drone high above, high 210 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: above your house, just to make sure if you're okay. 211 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: Carol throws away the water bottle, believing I, you know, 212 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: I get it, believing that perhaps it's poisoned. 213 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 4: Or never have found. 214 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: She. Carol notices something about Zosha, and that is that 215 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: clearly the Hive Mind selected her because she very much 216 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 1: resembles She goes inside and gets a copy of her 217 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: latest book from inside, brings it out, holds it up 218 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: to Zosha, and it's very clear that Zosha was selected 219 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:36,599 Speaker 1: because she looks very much like a female version of Rabond. 220 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 4: Something only Carol knew. 221 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: Wickero novels right, only Carol, only Helen. Only Carol knows currently. 222 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: But Helen knew before she died, of course, that Carol 223 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: wanted Rabond to be a woman and struggled with that 224 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: for a while, and here is you know, the visual 225 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: representation of female rabond Zsha is like, by the way, 226 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: Helen is very happy with us. She was only alive 227 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: for a few moments during the transition, but in those moments, 228 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: and if you recall in the pilot, you see her 229 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: smile in these final as she's passing away, and in 230 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 1: the moment I read it as she sees Carol and 231 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: is able to pass away peacefully because she's seen the 232 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: person she loves. But what probably happened is she was 233 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: finding peace and satisfaction as a member of the Hive 234 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: Mind collective. And Carol is so mad at this. She 235 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: tells Zoshita fuck off, and she's so angry. And you aliens, 236 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: you motherfucker? Is this that and the other? And her anger, 237 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 1: we discover in this moment, has the ability to short 238 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: circuit people infected with the virus, and not just like 239 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: one of them, the entire biomass of infected humans on 240 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: the planet, the Hive Mind, that's like four We find 241 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: out that they've about a billion let's round it up 242 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: to a billion people have died, but like eight hundred 243 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: million died in the initial transition. So there's like four 244 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: whatever it is, five billion people like on Earth, and 245 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: they all collapse because Carol's never frozen. Yes, Carol realizes 246 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: that she had some kind of hand in this, and 247 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: as she's driving across town, realizes that like all the 248 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: people that she sees are having this convulsion. She's trying 249 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: to save people's lives. She trying to get a guy 250 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: down from like a cherry picker, and it's just it's 251 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: just stressful and exhausting. But when they come back, it's fine, 252 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: everything's fine. They're not mad at her. They just go 253 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: about their peaceful, weird, hive mind lives. Zosha is gone, 254 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: and Carol, exhausted, calls the numbers she saw on TV, 255 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: which you know, basically gives the High Mind permission for 256 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: them to retrieve her. Zosha comes back and is like, listen, 257 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: you accidentally killed a few a few people, maybe how many, 258 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, like a couple of million, millions, Like 259 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: we find out I think the number is eleven. Yeah, 260 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: in this episode, So that's really troubling. That's very disturbing. 261 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: Carol is horrified, but also chastened now kind of realizing 262 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: like I need to get at this is all so 263 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: stressful and traumatic, but I got to get a grip. 264 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: She wants to finish Helen's grave by herself, but Sosha's like, 265 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: let us help you, and she brings in like this 266 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: fucking earth mover to dig up the soil and try 267 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,359 Speaker 1: and like, and they bring in by helicopter. It's incredible. 268 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: All the resources of earth basically are at Carol's disposal 269 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: if she should so want it. That night, Carol is like, well, 270 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: I heard that there's the other uninfected. I would like 271 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: to speak to them, the twelve of them. Zosha flies 272 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: Carol to bill Bao in Spain, and Carol meets four 273 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: of them there, each from a different country, along with 274 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: their families, each traveling with you know, their love. Their 275 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: loved ones are now part of the collective, but like 276 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: they clearly it makes the uninfected happy to have them around. 277 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: And then the fifth survivor shows up, Diabate from Mauritania, 278 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: and mister Diabate, a very elegant French speaking man, comes 279 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: onboard Air Force one and he's late because he was like, well, 280 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make the trip, but I'm going to make 281 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: the trip in Air Force one and he's there with 282 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: this harem of beautiful women and he's drinking champagne and 283 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: he's very, very happy with the way things have turned. 284 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 4: Out lately on Earth. 285 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: They have lunch and they basically talk about like what's 286 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: going on. Diabate is like Carol is clearly stridently against 287 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: all of this, and she even says multiple times like 288 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: we've seen this movie right, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, 289 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: like bad, on and on and on, like this can't stand, 290 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: Like this is whatever's going on here, it must be wrong. 291 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: And Diabate is like, I don't know, like Earth at peace, 292 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 1: no racism, I have Air Force one, I. 293 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 4: Got horm beautiful, I got a hair all the time. 294 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, that love presumably to do whatever it is, like 295 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 1: I'm asking for creepy, very very creepy. Carol pushes back, 296 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: but it's not going well. 297 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 4: Uh. 298 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: Zosia says to Carol, listen, this is not this is 299 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: not a violent It wasn't a violent takeover. It's just 300 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: everybody is following a kind of biological protocol and everybody's 301 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: like very happy the assimilation. We get more information about 302 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: the assimilation. It turns out that the military kind of 303 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: figured out somewhat sometime during the process like what was 304 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: going on, which meant that the hive mind like had 305 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: to escalate and go quickly and make sure that you know, 306 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: the people in bunkers like underground and in space, like 307 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: all those people were infected like in their early phases, 308 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 1: so they wouldn't have any like wars or anything. And 309 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: we get the number eight hundred and eighty six million 310 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: dead in the transition and an eleven million gone after 311 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: Carol's freaked out the first time, and unfortunately, Carol freaks 312 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: out again because all the survivors are at best just 313 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: kind of like rolling with it, and at worst either 314 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: like diabaatee, like fully on board with it or kind 315 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: of blinding themselves to what really is. And so Carol 316 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: screams in the midst of dinner she's drinking like mad, 317 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 1: like she needs to get that out very clearly. She's 318 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: an alcoholic, right and this is not helping. But she flipped, 319 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: she falls, and when the hive mind tries to like 320 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: help her, she flips out like get away from me, 321 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: don't touch me, and they all collapse. The entire high 322 00:18:54,480 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: mind collapses once again, killing untold millions. By morning, it's 323 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: it's only Diabate and Zosha. And Zosha's like, listen with 324 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: your permission. Excuse me, Diabate says to Carol, listen with 325 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: your permission. I would like to take Zosha with me. 326 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: I've been talking to her all night, by the way, 327 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: and I find her to be charming and beautiful, and 328 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: I would love to add her to my harem. You 329 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: don't even know her name. You've been calling her I 330 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: forget what he she was calling her. 331 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 4: Like she doesn't know what's going on. She's not doing 332 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 4: like a good job connecting, and she wants to go. 333 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: And then so Carol's like, well, let me talk to Zosha. 334 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: And Zusha comes over and is like yeah, like I'm 335 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: I'm happy to accompany him if you say it's okay, 336 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: I don't want you. And then Carol is like, this 337 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: is a very I thought this was very important. Carol's like, 338 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: you decide. Susha's like, I can't decide because deciding would 339 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: put you to in conflict. I would be disappointing one 340 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: of you. And we learn through this that the hive 341 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 1: mind really really cannot It's a lot like chat GPT. 342 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: I tell you, it can't tell you like no or 343 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: I don't like that it's always gonna be very It 344 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: wants to please and. 345 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 4: To use it more and to be more comfortable. 346 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: Yes, So Carol's disgusted with this, and she's like, fly 347 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: me home. 348 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 3: I'm leaving. 349 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: You can go with him. But she she locks eyes 350 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 1: like through her plane window, like as she's leaving, she 351 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: sees Zosha like boarding her first one. She locks eyes 352 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: with her and decides, I'm stopping this. She runs in 353 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: front of Air Force one, stops the plane and that's 354 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: the end of episode two. Seek a quick break and 355 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: come back. This fascinating show. Yeah, we're back. I love 356 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: how mysterious Apple TV kept this because. 357 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 4: They did the right thing. So many people of the 358 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 4: meled me about this pilot because they had no idea. 359 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: I think that was the right move because I think 360 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: kind of allah severance. The more you would tell people, 361 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: because there's so many tropes involved in this, right like 362 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: the way that you would log line elevator pitch, this 363 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: would basically reduce it to tropes. You know, there's an 364 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 1: alien virus and people. Yeah I've mind and but but 365 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: you know there's some people who are immune, and it 366 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: would reduce the show to its parts in a way 367 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: that I think would not do well to sell, like 368 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: how interesting it is, and it really is a fascinating 369 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: I was, I'm all in, what do you think? 370 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, I love this idea because something I think is 371 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 4: so interesting is the essential kind of bass pitch is 372 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 4: like what if the worst, most angriest person in the 373 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 4: world had to save everyone from being happy? 374 00:21:58,920 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: Right? 375 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 4: But I love one Recijorn. She's a genius, so I 376 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 4: love that. Vince was like, I'm definitely getting her the Emmy. 377 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 4: But also there's just so much complexity in these first 378 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 4: two episodes, this kind of wrinkle that he adds in, 379 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 4: this insane, bombastic wrinkle of like, well, she can't be 380 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 4: angry because that will kill people, So then that starts 381 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 4: to become about her having to immediately change her behaviors. 382 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 4: I also love something I've thought for a long time 383 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 4: that had not been done properly in a kind of 384 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 4: dystopian space is like, you know, we've gotten the comedy 385 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 4: version of say a zombie land, where it's like I'm 386 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 4: eating twinkies, I'm driving in a tank. But I've always 387 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 4: felt like there's gonna be people in a situation like 388 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 4: that who are flying Air Force one who are taking 389 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 4: dates to the Eiffel empty Eiffel Tower and stuff like that. 390 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 4: So I love that Vince and Apple went big enough 391 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 4: that within the first two episodes you're in multiple countries 392 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,719 Speaker 4: and you feel like, Okay, well, yeah, this is what 393 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 4: it would be like. You're not a bystander. You are 394 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 4: essentially now the focus of the hive mind. Because there's 395 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 4: only eleven of years. So the hive mind's job is 396 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 4: to make you happy no matter what and make you 397 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 4: ignore what's going on. AKA. When I was watching this 398 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 4: this morning, rewatching it, it was I realized how much 399 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 4: of a statement it obviously is on like social media 400 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 4: and algorithms and stuff, and this kind of notion of 401 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 4: like you can always be happy, there's something to distract 402 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 4: you when even when the most horrific thing, like aside 403 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 4: from obviously the infection around the world and the Hive mind, 404 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 4: she lost the woman she loved in that moment, or 405 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,959 Speaker 4: at least the only woman she'd been close to, you know, 406 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,479 Speaker 4: and that to me getting to see her having to 407 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 4: like deal with that anger and then now that kind 408 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 4: of moral choice at the end of episode two of 409 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 4: like I'm not letting them leave like, whatever happens, this 410 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 4: is going to be my turning point. How do we 411 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 4: work it out? And obviously it's also because they want, 412 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 4: you know, the three of them to be together for 413 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 4: the next episode, which I'm very excited to see because 414 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 4: this is a great trio. I think one of the 415 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 4: craziest things about this show is it is very impossible 416 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 4: to see where it's going next. And I love this 417 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 4: because that's absolutely what the first two were. Kind of 418 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 4: the first episodes set you up in that way if 419 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 4: you're never going to know what's happening. But oftentimes even 420 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 4: with a surprise drop or a surprise pilot, let you know, 421 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 4: for example, Yellowjackets, right once they're there, you know they're 422 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 4: not getting out of the forest. You know something spooky's 423 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 4: going to happen. Blah blah blah. This show could end 424 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 4: up in space within like the next episode, and you 425 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 4: have no idea. I'm so excited to see where else 426 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 4: Vince goes with this because he's been so you know, 427 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 4: virulently anti AI as a creative response and to call 428 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 4: it a plagiarism machine. He's talked a lot about his 429 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 4: feelings about social media and stuff, so I just feel 430 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 4: like this is a really interesting take on all of that. Well, 431 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 4: are you most excited to see going forward. 432 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 3: Just where it's going to go? 433 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: To your point, I don't. I've of course, I like 434 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: empathize with Carol's desire to like end all this, I think, 435 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: And I think on just kind of a base level, 436 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 1: she's right, like this you keep you can't suddenly have 437 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: a harem and think exactly fine, right, And I don't 438 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: care what the hive mind says like this is. And 439 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: I think Carol makes a good point when I didn't 440 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: catch the woman's name who who she was mainly kind 441 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: of arguing with the woman who is there with her 442 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: mom and her. 443 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 4: Son, who were actually in the hive mind, right, which 444 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 4: is really. 445 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 1: And and the woman was like, this is my son, 446 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: this is my son. This is my son. And she's like, oh, yeah, 447 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: it's your son. And she begins asking him. I'm like, oh, 448 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: how would you do a pelvic exam, like as a gynecologist, 449 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: since you're every gnecologist that was alive. And he begins 450 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: answering these questions and it really disturbs this woman. And 451 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: you know, when you it's clear that there's something beyond 452 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: just like human morality going on, Like at some point, 453 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: like that compass has to kick in, It still must 454 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: kick in despite what this. 455 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,239 Speaker 4: Is the hive mind? How do you exist when you 456 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 4: are part of the hive mind? Is are we going 457 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 4: to get a glimpse of the kind of existential terra 458 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 4: of being controlled by them? 459 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: And I'm left wondering again, I think that I get 460 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: Carol's mission to like stop this or cure everybody. I 461 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 1: have no idea how it's possible that she could do it, 462 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 1: like if that's where the show goes eventually, however many 463 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: seasons downlined it she she cures it. I can't even 464 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: imagine right now how it would be possible. 465 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 3: To do that. 466 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 1: And I think that there's also like a lot of 467 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: really fascinating like different threads to pull out, so I 468 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: can I can't wait to see where this shows. For instance, 469 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: you know, if you if you're one of these, if 470 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: you're this guy from Mauritania and Diavante, Like why can't 471 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,439 Speaker 1: we have fun with it? Like what is exactly the problem? 472 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 4: Now? 473 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: I'm not making excuses. 474 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 4: For him, no, but that like be mindsets like that, 475 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 4: especially if you were already somebody who had a lot 476 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 4: of access to stuff. You're like, well, now there's no 477 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 4: one else. Essentially, I was living eleven survivors. 478 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: You would love to put things back the way it 479 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: was because you were, you know, one of the privileged drivative. Yeah, 480 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: in the in the in the days before this, but 481 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: now you know, like I would like to enjoy this. 482 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: So you get where he's coming from. I'm I just 483 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 1: can't imagine to your point, I can't imagine where this is. 484 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: That's why I think is so amazing. 485 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 4: And also, guys, I'm just gonna tell you this. I 486 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 4: know this is crazy. Jason mentioned his wife not a 487 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 4: fan of sci fi. This is if you were given 488 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 4: the chance to go back and watch Breaking Bad when 489 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 4: it first debuted on AMC, would you want to be 490 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 4: in from the beginning, Yes, you would. This is your 491 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 4: chance to be in on that next show. Like Apple 492 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 4: is going to commit to this. This is an incredible 493 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 4: looking show, such a high concept idea, and Vince is 494 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 4: obviously like a killer TV maker, So yeah, very fun. 495 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 4: It's going to be really great to keep extening. 496 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: What I think is cool is like Vince mining his 497 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: X Files experience, you know, like it was a big 498 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: time writer, producer, on The X Files. Yeah, responsible for 499 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: many episodes, and the thing that for me, at least 500 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: his work on Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. The 501 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: thing that is to me his kind of stylistic signature 502 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: is putting characters into situations where they have to make 503 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: some insane painting them into a corner and they have 504 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: to make some insane choice that you can't even imagine 505 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: how they got out of it Breaking Bad. What I 506 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: loved about it was Walt was in that corner, painted 507 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: in time and time and time and time again, and 508 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: all the ways he got out of it never, not 509 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: a single one of them ever felt like disx makna. 510 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: It always felt like he earned his way out of it. 511 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: And it was a surprise. If Gilligan can like recapture 512 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: that kind of thing in this show, I can't I 513 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: can't wait to see me Like I what are you? Do? 514 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: You have anybody I have? Like? 515 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 4: You know me? I'm a theory guy. But I think 516 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 4: the way that they pitched this show, the way they 517 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 4: market it, and the surprise of what it's truly about, 518 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 4: makes me think like he's not just this is not 519 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 4: going to be predictable. Also, this is something he's been 520 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 4: working on for ten years, and I just want to 521 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 4: say as well, Ari Breaking Bad, Right, I was watching 522 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 4: an episode of it last night randomly on the AMC 523 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 4: like kind of Stories channel, which is like a fast 524 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 4: channel they have now, and they randomly were showing at 525 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 4: season two episode thirteen, Right, dude, I was watching that, 526 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 4: and I was just thinking, like, Skyla was so young 527 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 4: and so beautiful in that show. When you're our age 528 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 4: and you watch it now, you're like, oh my god, 529 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 4: she was like incredible and he didn't understand. And it's 530 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 4: so funny because so much of the conversation of that 531 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 4: show was like, oh, Skylar was such a bomb, she's 532 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 4: such a downer, Like let him just like do his thing, man. 533 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 4: And I feel like Vince has always had this much 534 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 4: more complicated insight into the human kind of condition that 535 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 4: even at the time, maybe people weren't taking from Breaking Bad, 536 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 4: you know, when it was kind of seen as a 537 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,479 Speaker 4: badass kind of indie movie show. But by the end, 538 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 4: then when you get that reveal with you know, I 539 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 4: am the one who knocks and everything, then you realize, like, 540 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 4: oh no, if you were picking up on the fact 541 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 4: that Skyla was right, she was right, like at every point, 542 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 4: and that's why I'm most excited to see is like 543 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 4: what happens with Carol? What is she right about? What 544 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 4: is wrong about? How does this happen? Because also as well, 545 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 4: I love that this is Vince going very comic Bookie 546 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 4: in its own way, because like the eleven immune Individuals 547 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 4: is very umbrella academy. No. Nine kids born all around 548 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 4: the world at the same time, and this kind of 549 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 4: how do these people connect, what do they do? My 550 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 4: most thing I'm most excited about probably is meeting the 551 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 4: other survivors who don't speak English. 552 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: What I'm excited by is Gillian has painted himself into 553 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: a corner in this show in an interesting way in 554 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: that like listen Breaking Down and saw incredible suspense thrillers. 555 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 3: That leaned heavily on. 556 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: The feeling like an like a violent explosion was coming. 557 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: This conflict, whether it's a conflict between you know, great 558 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: Way Alamarca and and Walter or you know whoever and Walter, 559 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: like you could feel like trains. It was so towards 560 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: each other at old times in this show. The hive 561 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: mind cannot be violent towards you could like Diabat could 562 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: not be like you know what Carol's going to be 563 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: a problem. Go hey, Hive Mind, kill her. They won't 564 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: do it. They will only do things that are peaceful. 565 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: In fact, they go so far as to not want 566 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: to disappoint anyone, even like hurt their feelings. 567 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 3: How do. 568 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 4: So? 569 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: How will conflict happen? And how can that be resolved? 570 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: If not violently? 571 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 3: What are the other workarounds? 572 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: Like? You know, listen, here's there's a world in which 573 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: if Carol wanted to take out Diabate And I don't 574 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: think this is gonna happen. This is to you, this 575 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: is I'm not a Vince Gilligan. Is Vince Gilligan a genie? 576 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 3: Okay? 577 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: But you know, Diabate gets on our first one. He 578 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: flies away, and Carol decides, okay, now let me go 579 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: scream at Zosha. She fritzes out the Hive Mind and 580 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: his plane crashes exactly But how because I must? I 581 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: feel like there will be conflict within the survivors. There 582 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: has to be. How do you resolve it without them 583 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: being able to even really yell at each other? It's 584 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: gonna be interesting. That part of it is going to 585 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: be real. I can't wait to see how that happens. 586 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: Because that's kind of I mean, talk about putting yourself 587 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: in handcuffs. 588 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 4: That is like, I got wait, it's gonna be so 589 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 4: interesting to see how he navigates that exact. 590 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: Thing, and as ian Is is saying in the group chat, 591 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: season two already greenlit, and yeah, I can't wait like it. 592 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: It just brings up a lot of interesting questions about 593 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: free will, like is this free will? They the hive 594 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: mind will tell you that it's doing everything that it 595 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: wants to do. At the same time, as Carol points out, 596 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: they didn't ask permission to infect everybody. They just did it. 597 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 4: They didn't come down and pose it. You know what's that? 598 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 4: It's like, you know, extinction hive mind is just extinction 599 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 4: with better pr or something. You know, no consent kind 600 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 4: of peace without consent is a hive mind with better 601 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 4: pr like. 602 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: And so one wonders, and one wonders also like what 603 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 1: is the why do this? Like what That's what I 604 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,359 Speaker 1: want to is the point? Like why did whoever? Why 605 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: did the beings beings that built the signal and built 606 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: the infrastructure to send the signal? 607 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 3: Why did they do it? 608 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 4: And why did they do it this way where it's 609 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 4: making everyone happy instead of making everyone just like kill themselves. 610 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 4: My guess is, like you need workers. That's kind of 611 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 4: you need some if you have a hive mind. The 612 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,399 Speaker 4: implication is there's usually some kind of worker situation. Now, 613 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 4: I'm going to put out a crazy theory. I do 614 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 4: not think this is it, but I'm just saying we're 615 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 4: talking about hive mind. The entire show is like colored. 616 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,879 Speaker 4: It's yellow coded. Maybe there's some kind of be analogy 617 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,439 Speaker 4: or some kind of alien hive that's a bit more 618 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 4: like textual, but I don't know, and that is rare 619 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 4: for us. So Vince Gilligan, thank you for giving us 620 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 4: a show that we don't know what's gonna happen. 621 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't know where it's gonna go. Can't wait 622 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 1: to keep following this show, and it's gonna be a 623 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,359 Speaker 1: fun one. On the next episode of Xtra Vision, we're 624 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: diving into Stranger Things to get you ready for the 625 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,240 Speaker 1: final season of Stranger Things. Whether you've seen every episode 626 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: or just need a refresher, you've never seen a single episode, 627 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 1: We're gonna get you to the point where you're ready 628 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: for this final season. 629 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 3: That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening. 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